I'll argue here, because culturally and style wise, anime has become more than just being something made from a certain area or by a certain group. It's developed into a genre with many, many sub-genres, that (yes) are informed by works originally made in Japan. But it's grown into something that expands beyond that, to encompass so much more. Just like hip hop/rap began in NY, spread to America, and now spans the globe. Being made by people of all nationalities, from all different backgrounds, etc. It keeps the influence from the Music originally coming from NY in the 70s and 80s, but has grown into so much more with many many sub-genres of hip hop/rap, and is made all around the world by different people of all types and backgrounds, and it's style has expanded while also keeping something from it's roots.
@@masstv9052 You're getting the definition of "genre" confused. Obviously, music has genres, since music of the same genre/root genre will share things in common, like what instruments are used, what rhythm and timescale are common ect. But what makes anime a "genre"? What commonalities does say _Victorian Romance Emma_ share with _Jojo's Bizarre Adventure?_ The only one I can see is that they're 2D animation. But 2D animation isn't a genre, it's a medium. You might have made this connection based on the idea that all anime share the same art style, so that sorta makes it a genre. But there's a LOT of anime out there that don't use the typical "anime" artstyle, but fans still see them as "anime". Things like _Monster, Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt, Dead Leaves, The Tatami Galaxy, Trava Fist Planet, Trapeze, Serial Experiments Lain, Mind Game, Tekkonkinkreet, Genius Party, HELLS, FLAG_ and _Kino's Journey_ to name a few. Going by the definition of "anime is an artstyle" would exclude the aforementioned, which definitely doesn't sound right.
@@fireazaI think you're putting words and though in my mouth or thoughts that I didn't say. so, yes, It's a main Genre, that (like every other genre evolves & creates new Sub-genres which will differ from other sub-genres, but all these sub-genres have some influence from the original artists & art/product that was originally made. So while each sub-genre will have some influence from those who came before, it's influence will have taken something different as an influence, than another sub-genre who has been inspired by a different influence of those previous artists & art/product) also has various sub-genres just like (as you stated yourself) music, and movies, and every other medium. Movie isn't a Genre, it's a medium.......But you have Horror genres (which also can be divided into different Sub-genres of horror, and the same goes for all the Main Genres, which can be further divided into various sub-genres that have been influenced by a different aspect of the earlier horror films, making each sub-genre unique), you have comedy genres, Romance Genres, Period Piece Genres, etc, etc, etc. Anime used the medium of Animation, but it's a Genre which can be divided into further sub-genres, as it's progressed and new artists entered using the medium and Genre of Anime, to create something new, but it's still influenced & built on the shoulders of those animes & artists who came. before them Just like, as an example, Quinton Tarantino has a style (while using his style to create movies in various sub-genres, like westerns, Period Pieces, Suspense, thriller, exploitation film genre, and kung fu films.). He was heavily influenced by those directors who came before him, who he seen as Auteurs. So he used their influence, while also incorporating his own style into films that are heavily influenced by directors & movies he loved when he was younger. So he created something new & unique, but they still fell into Genres & sub-genres. Despite Quinton having his own unique style unlike anyone else in the business. Same with Christopher Nolan, who has his own style that he brings into existing Genres of the film medium. Whether that's Sci-fi Heist films, super-hero films, action or Suspense film genres, etc, etc, etc. So, I'm not misunderstanding the definitions. I just inherently disagree with this videos take, and the OP of this threads hard agreement with the videos conclusions and take.
@@MiguelAngel-ij2tk The only Syndrome quote I remember is "...and when everybody becomes super, no one will be" but I fail to see how that's relevant. Note: if you haven't seen The Incredibles there is more to that quote than I included. This is just to jog the memory of those that have seen it.
Holy shit... So for YEARS I have been trying to remember the name of this cartoon I saw when I was maybe 5 years old back in the late 80's. All I remembered about it was some incredible vague images of a jungle and a van and nothing else about the film itself. I remembered getting my parents to rent the tape from a local off licence every other day. Half of the damn thing was damn near unwatchable and I think our VCR eventually strait up ate the tape. I had pretty much given up on ever remembering what the hell it was, then this video randomly gets recommended to me by youtube. "Oh this looks neat" I think, and start watching... Then 12:02 hits and the memories of this random cartoon I've not seen for damn near 31 years INSTANTLY come flooding back. Seriously... With a name to finally go with it I instantly started searching on google and was instantly able to find the old Return of the Dinosaurs VHS released in the UK by Medusa in 1983. I just finished re-watching the entire thing again and it was like being a kid again (for better or for worse), it's janky as hell but my god I'm happy to have seen it again. So whilst it almost certainly wasn't the intention of your video... thanks... thanks for digging up these random old shows and talking about them. If you didn't, I probably never would have seen this again :D
Same thing, but with the anime at 11:17 Screnshotted and searched, it's ultimate muscle: I used to always see it when I was little but never knew how it was called
If you look at early chapters of Murata version of " One Punch Man " manga I would say Yes; You can literally make animation from manga panels ALONE and thats animation is still BETTER than infamous Nora " anime " .
Cybersix actually also had a live-action series in Argentina, that I saw when I was like 10, and I don't remember much except for the aesthetic that was quite. Maybe if I watch it today it'd be horribly bad, but I choose to keep the distorted memories. :D
*Fun Fact:* Tove Jansson (the author of the Moomins) originally going to sell the Moomins to Walt Disney Company. Although, she turned them down so she can retain full creative control over her work.
@@pinkflametheepic Well, that is the time Walt Disney was still alive so he could've agreed with her but you're right that the company might ruined her creation. I can't blame Walt for the downfall of his company but only the greedy dirtbags get away with tarnishing his legacy.
10:50 Some of the first Japanese animators were former "Paper Theater" artists looking for work after WWII. The post-War influx of Disney cartoons made the "Paper Theater" genre die practically overnight, so former paper-theater artists turned to become animators, themselves
As a Dutch person, this video suddenly became a trove of obscure and forgotten childhood shows. I never realized that Moomins and Alfred J. Kwak were Co-produced by Japanese studios.
As Dutch Otaku I always try to educate my fellow Dutch Otaku about my favorite anime from when I was two years old. Been calling those shows anime for years because they fit my definition, so finally getting recognized was a big deal.
As an animator, I've actually considered the "what even is animation" question before. If you're going by the generally-accepted definition of animation (drawings, 3D models, or stop-motion), then no, a show with puppets isn't animated. But going by the chief definition of the verb "animate"- to make alive- then the puppeteers are technically animating them. Sure, it's not a Frankenstein situation where the being given life has its own free will; the puppets return to a lifeless state unless someone's controlling them. But isn't that true of all animation? We never see the full illusion of life unless we push the play button. So I'd argue shows like MST3K, Sesame Street, etc could be classified as live-action with animated elements. There seems to be a difference between what counts as animation and what counts as anime, though, at least from a Western perspective. Tl;dr: This video made me nerd out.
@@alexgomez6723 It's filmed for one. It's also an extension of the body, which defines it as a performance, much in the same way V-tubers & lets plays are performances. If you're filming real life, can you really call that animation?
@@kennylauderdale_en films just take lots of pictures. Anime is just hand drawn pictures. Seinfeld contains a number of those picture of a hand painted portait of Kramer. Therefore, Seinfeld is anime. Checkmate
"Least animated anime" has to be 'Band of Ninja'/'Manual of Ninja Martial Arts' (which also goes by a half-dozen other names)- A full, 90m feature film, released in cinemas i n 1967, which is literally just a camera shooting pages of a manga, with voices and sound effects dubbed over the top. Closest thing to "animation" is zooming, panning, or shaking the camera- but it was made by anime an production company, distributed through anime distributors, even has an MAL page; Everything about it indicates 'anime' til you actually watch it, and say "Wait... it's all like THIS?!?"
Sounds like the really old Marvel cartoons, which weren't much more than comic panels with minimal movement and voice acting. And then there's the uniquely horrifying Clutch Cargo...
Kenny's content easily beats anything anitubers have to offer. The closest thing for me is Gigguk, and while he's funny, the anime reviewer formula worn out a bit, especially with dudes like Digi slowly dragging it towards borderline-pretentious-mixed-with-hot-takes style of Vice-level content sprinkled with aspiring hack's stream of consciousness.
I agree, a lot of antitubers get repetitive. Especially Nux Taku, that guy just pumps out content and his humor annoys me. Most antitubiers talk about all the same trending, seasonal shit. While Kenny makes videos about shit I've never heard of. How he happily talks about the anime while throwing in little bits of info about the show makes his content vastly more interesting. The only antituber I can think of that's like him is super eyepatch wolf.
"Anitubers" are chasing an audience that is, by and large, only interested in the current season, and only the most Shonen shows at that. I can't really blame them for adapting the content they put out to the biases and preferences of their audience, but it's a far cry from the more scholarly videos that Kenny produces. The former prioritise audience engagement over the merit of the subject matter, the latter the other way around.
A lot of the classic cartoons in America were made by Canadian/French production companies. A lot of them were Saturday morning cartoons on CW Just a few that I remember were French: Totally Spies, Code Lyoko, Magi-Nation,
Am i lost here ???? American *Cartoons and Animation* are totally different from each other.. Cartoons never takes it self seriously while Animation like *Batman TAS* dose.. Toon Spite vs Action Heroes .. Bugs Bunny could get shoot by a gun and be ok *CARTOON* .. while Batman got too dodge Two-Face with a Tommy Gun because he could literally be killed *ANIMATION* ... this dude channel being serious...? thought he was a expert who could easily distinguished this stuff ..?
@@kennylauderdale_en "Things That Might be Anime" GOAT Edition Featuring Knuckls from the Knuckles the Echidna Series (feat. Hideous Kojimer of Strands of Death renown)
Fun fact: Quite a few episodes of Batman: The Animated Series from the early nineties qualifies as anime technically. Sunrise actually produced a decent number of episodes over the shows run
A lot of WB and Disney shows used Japanese studios in those days. I used to always wonder why certain episodes were so well animated and usually they were done by Japanese studios.
In my opinion, I think that the most defining thing about anime is being produced primarily with Japanese people as a target audience, not to say that others can't enjoy, but that the producers are mostly or at least partly focused on making something for Japan. And that its at least a little animated.
Texas is a hub for anime in the US. We are home to Funimation, ADV, Sentai Film works, and Rooster Teeth! Also, many dub writers, actors, directors, etc are Texas natives.
Hayao Miyazaki has said when live action becomes computer generated most of the time, its already mostly anime. Also the 70s Euro-Japanese co-productions were made at a time where the term anime was not even coined yet
So, Heidi, Girl of the Alps (with work done in part by no other than Hayao Miyazaki), Vicky the Viking, Maya the Honey Bee, and Pinocchio were actually no animes? The style (which confused me a lot when I was a child) very much looked like that.
Is the Last Unicorn anime? English language movie from a book animated by Japanese studio. But look at the unicorn’s eyes, that’s so anime. So Yes. Yes it is.
I was going to ask about The Last Unicorn! It is my favortie ever and I do count it as an anime. The animators went to work for Stuido Ghibli on Nuasicaa. It makes me happy that someone else asked!
Fun fact: The unicorn's human form was originally designed to purposely look anime because she was out of its world. In fact, they had to keep redoing it only because it looked very moe.
Well it has a magical creature being turned into a Waifu. So obviously it's anime. Although strangely enough, she looked more moe as a horned horse than as a woman...
Ooof, really unleashed the Kraken with this one. I had Korean outsourcing on my mind during the whole video. With many anime *cough* having a large percentage of their staff being based in South Korea, does Korean animation inherit the 'anime' title? Is Dead Leaves an anime? Is King of the Hill an anime? (apparently, it's the best anime) What about manwa that's animated by Japanese studios? Then there was the Japanese X-Men series from last decade. Also, thanks for the Cowboy Bebop - Woolongs for Nothing clips. The timing was perfect; I was on a Dire Straits kick yesterday so this was the best thing I didn't know existed.
I think anime has branched into a genre that mostly does at least one or two of the following: Is made in Japan, is animated, follows a traditionally anime or manga style, is made by someone japanese, is themed around or set in Japan, and or has very Japanese influence. It doesn't really follow a set rule book, but tears at least a few pages out
@@justinbarnes3857 Chinese cartoons and Korean cartoons couldn't be count as an anime, or else RWBY and Avatar The Last Airbender have to be included in anime too. Their underlying philosophy and the real art style that they want to pursue are rather different from Japanese cartoons too. (most Chinese and Korean artists actually wants to animate stuff more in Westernized style than Japanese style; they are mostly going for Japanese style for cash grab forced by the corps. tl;dr it is more of an copycat than their true art forms.)
@@mousesteam7882 except what does ‘trying to look like manga’ mean? There are so many art styles in manga and anime. Yes, there’s the most commonly used style, but what about ones that aren’t. Would they not be called an anime even if made in Japan?
Honestly I am so happy you mentioned Alfred J. Quack. It was no doubt my fav Show growing up (Like, some of the stuff they covered on the Show was really intense for a Kids Show and I applaud them for that) Also, the German Intro is an absolute Bop
5:54 You're a saint! I've been wondering what this series' name was for a while. I grew up watching it as a kid but I missed the final episodes.(I don't remember if it was because of school or because our cable provider removed the channel)
@@MobileTech296 the good news is it holds up the mating dance episode is even better now that you're old enough to understand what Robbie was actually doing in the hallway
@@MobileTech296 Dinosaurs is definitely a show I encourage everyone to rewatch if they saw it as a kid. It’s exactly like early-season Simpsons: as a kid, you love it for the surface-level humor, and when you rewatch it as an adult, you realize it was funny on levels that flew right the hell over your head.
Dinosaurs is one of the best written, yet least applauded shows out there. In my mind I liken it to the wit of something like Bojack Horseman or Archer. Way, way ahead of it's time.
11:12 Imagine sitting at a pachinko machine, just putting metal balls in every few minutes. You hit a few jackpots unawares Metal balls are overflowing into your lap Someone walks up “dude, you won” “SHH! I’m trying to watch!”
He's a real thinker: some weekly anime series in Japan have started taking to hiring American animators to work on the shows remotely from their homes in America, and send the finished animation over the internet to the production studios in Japan. Does that still count as anime, then?
Japan has been using animation studios in Korea to do the in-betweens for decades now, so I'd say nothing has changed. Hell, America uses them too, though often to produce the whole show, not just the in-betweens. Does this mean _The Simpsons_ is a Korean cartoon? Probably not, since the core of the show was designed and made in America for Americans.
fun fact: little lulu and your littler friends was adapted with an American cartoon style, the show was also brought to other countries such as brazil and from what I remember at the time it was well embraced by the Brazilian children's audience
Occasionally I remember that the entire second season of The Big O was made entirely for Toonami/ Midnight Run/ Adult Swim, giving us one of the rare cases when the dub predates the sub.
Setting the definition of an argument is a wonderful skill, because, in cases like this, it can expose how many things are just cultural consensus instead of an actually agreed upon 'hard' definition, and even those still require consensus to some extent.
@@未来のばか Kenny searches exotic, dusty archives to bring us ancient stories and history nearly forgotten in our time. He's not weeb Aristotle, he's weeb Herodotus.
stumbled upon this channel recently. And I’ve come to say what an animation and film buff from japan told me with confidence is the term anime was given to the Japanese film makers who were featuring their project to a festival in france, and as a back handed comment dubbed it as Anime; in implication that it’s not fully animated but rather compensating with frame to frame juxtaposition. The term is solidified with implications of japanese animation, but even the Japanese film makers Satoshi Kon, Mamoru Hosoda, Isao Takahada and of course Hayao Miyazaki still refer to themselves as film makers and opposed to being called anime artists.
I think we need to focus on calling it a style rather than focusing on where it came from. Let's take this argument to music, for example - is grunge only grunge if it comes from Seattle? How about Japanese jazz? Is it not jazz because it's not from the US? Shoegazer/math music started in the UK, then moved to the US, then many parts of Asia went in all kinds of interesting directions with it and now we see it as the opening theme to Land of Lustrous. Also, Belladonna of Sadness may be Japanese but it is the essence of 1970's France - one of THE most French things I've ever seen.
Like how champagne is technically a sparkling wine only made in a specific region in France but most people would call any sparkling wine champagne regardless of where it originates from, I think anime now describes more of a style than where it comes from.
Here's my personal definition: Anime is every animation made primarily in Japan _and also_ any animation that holds the common characteristics associated with Japanese animation, except for when the label would cause confusion. For example, I would call the Castlevania show anime because there are no notable distinctions caused by it not being animated in Japan; however, I would not call Avatar: The Last Airbender anime because--while it is definitively inspired by anime--it has very American sensibilities and presentation, and calling it anime might discourage some people from viewing it if the term "anime" turns them off.
Anime in Japanese actually means animation, this means any animation whether it's a cartoon made in the US, or animation from France can technically be called anime. Edit: Oof I wrote this comment before the part when he actually said it.
I think the definition has broadened over the decades due to how mainstream Anime has become and due to globalization. At a certain point classifying what is or isn't Anime is like classifying a genre or subgenre of music. While Anime in the 80s and 90s was something more clearly cut (virtually everything was entirely done in Japan) the broad appeal and popularity have expanded the definition. These days especially; when content is so easy and readily available people can now grow up almost entirely on Japanese culture and its products (games, movies, anime, manga, and plenty more). If a western/non-Japanese kid spends his entire life watching and researching Anime and one day becomes a show or film creator making local Animed inspired shows--- does that make the show anime? Likely for not for now but into the future? I think so. Eventually, Anime can be classified exclusively as art, style, form, and subject matter. Here in Brazil for instance some people can't agree on what is a Comic or Comic Book. Does it have to be American? Does it need Super/Heroes? Done in a very different style than DC or Marvel? It goes on and on. Just like Cyber Six. Art does not remain regional forever that's the beauty of culture. And YES Thunderbolt Fantasy is Anime. Say otherwise and we'll catapult a cow from my fortress while I taunt you a second time!
Interesting that Brazilians are having the same discussion on comics that Americans are having about anime. In America, a comic is literally anything drawn or rendered with panels, but it's a different idea in Brazil. That's just so interesting to me.
It’s funny, cuz _Animé_ is a French word before it was ever used in Japan, and even in Japan, it doesn’t mean the show is Japan specific. It literally just means “animated cartoon” to the Japanese. Likewise, _manga_ just means “cartoon” (can be STILL or ANIMATED), but by the 90s, started to get the connotation of ONLY STILL, unlike in English where it, by the 90s, got the connotation of ONLY ANIMATED).
Japan Admires the French, I live in Japan for years and they really admire anything French, which dated back in the Shogunate and Meiji Era, due to Napoleon and the French Monarchy, examples is the term "Prefectures" for Japanese Provinces, to some colleges and educational institutions in Japan offering French
@@TheZigzagman i dont think it clashes. plenty of xenophobic people in the US point to Japan as a "good example" but would think differently if they came to the US without learning English or tried to establish a culture of conformity in the US. they like the "good parts" but like more for foreigners to stay "over there".
@@personmcdudeguy I think the sort of opposite is true within Japan, a lot of the Japanese that really admire the US dislike the collectivism and conformity of Japan and prefer the US’s individualism. Also the stereotype of Japan being xenophobic toward foreigners is only really true in certain cases. You have to remember that even the now elderly in Japan grew up with US forces stationed in their borders. Many younger Japanese almost *fetishize* westerners. I’d say the only times Japanese will actually be straight up xenophobic toward a foreigner is if they live in a rural town (which also generally applies to the US) or if they just generally dislike foreigners for whatever reason which is relatively rare.
That reminds me that once I had a discussion with a friend about what is and what is not anime when Netflix's castlevania came out and they told me "I can bring you a guy to explain you what an anime is" so I answered "And I can bring you one of my Japanese friends to tell you that everything is anime"
No harm done confusing it with a Anime Castlevania game made by *Konami* of Japan ... but yeah the fact that he doesn't kown the difference between American Cartoons & Animation was actually a bit shocking to watch not going to lie lol
Normal people be like: "Oh, I like Avatar, does that count as anime? Can I join your anime club?" And then there's me: "GUYS, DID YOU KNOW RUDOLPH THE RED-NOSED REINDEER WAS MADE IN JAPAN?? BEST ANIME 202X!!"
That's so beautiful. "Have you deciphered the Americans' secret codes?" "Nope, but I did find this cool picture book with mysterious symbols on it." "...This is just Finnish." "Wow, you must be _really_ good at deciphering."
"...even tho it doenst look like it, yep thats an anime..." To me it does, there are subtleties that make anime feel anime, but I dont know how to explain them
Now make a sequel: “Things that might be Aeni” Aeni is Korean animation (it’s also what animation is called in Korea) and yet people keep calling it “Korean anime”.
One thing I wanna say: Idk why ppl get so mad when we call them cartoons. As a label that we made up to simplify things, it doesn't determine quality. There's plenty of shitty anime as well as children's anime, like there are plenty of great cartoons and adult cartoons as well.
@@mascotwithadinosaur9353 like some people always rag on about "weebs" saying Avatar or Castlevania "isn't anime", but when it's turn around and we asked "why don't you like Avatar or Castlevania to be called as cartoons instead?" they get mad.
This is one of these videos where multiple things show up only for the sake of B-roll footage and are never explained or mentioned, but catch my interest more than the things that are discussed. You were _this close_ to spreading the good word about _Gal & Dinosaur._ And WHAT EVEN WAS THAT POLYGONAL BEBOP ANIMATION???
For some reason, this made me nostalgic for my first experience in anime which was Toei's The Little Mermaid released in 1978 in the US. I still have the VHS somewhere.
The question about whether a show made in America by Americans in a Japanese art style could be considered anime, I am reminded of a debate over the contrast and definition of two game genres: JRPG (Japanese Role-Playing Game) WRPG (Western Role-Playing Game) The way it was described to me was that the quintessential JRPG is something like a modern Final Fantasy game, with various standard RPG elements (story-rich, leveling up, inventory management, etc.) but distinguishes from WRPG's by the fact that it has a story to tell, and the player is just put in the role of one or more characters in that existing story. They may make a few key choices, or none at all, but they generally follow a narrative path already defined. A WRPG on the other hand, would be something closer to Dungeons & Dragons. It's less about the game telling the player a story and more about the player putting themselves or a character(s) of their own creation into the story to play. A great example of that might be something like The Elder Scrolls. There is a background story, but the player-character isn't pre-defined, doesn't have as fixed a set path to follow, more narrative freedom. Then, the real kicker came when someone called "Dark Souls" a WRPG, and I was like, "but it's from Japan!" and they responded, "yes, but it's not a Japanese- _style_ RPG. It's got character creation, and the story is more in the background than centered on the player character. It's a Western _style_ RPG."
@@ilikestuff9250 Okay, sure, but people were calling Zelda an RPG twenty years ago. It really didn't have anything to do with mechanics. Similar to the idea that "anime is a genre", a lot of people felt that anything fantasy-related was probably an RPG.
Thunderbolt Fantasy is like, definitely an important part of Anime history! I’m still not sure if it counts as Anime tho. Like the whole production team is pure Anime… but…
9:52 I think this is the moment that semi-introduced Thunderbolt Fantasy to me. I remember seeing a clip of some weird puppets fighting gratuitously and had no idea wtf that was about, Kenny helped me put a name to that clip and indirectly referred me to the most sleeped on not-anime of all time. The new season started filming a few weeks ago and it reminded me of this video.
I remember this video! I'll still watch it again tho, it was pretty fun P.S.: dunno if anyone else said this yet, but I'm looking forward to an Izenborg video! It caught my interest after you talked about it here
If you take a look on "Turma da Monica" from Mauricio de Souza, a brazilian studio, you'll find a lot of anime influence there. The guy was a friend of Osamu Tezuka.
This is one of my favorite videos of this channel. Idk if I would know such a wide verity of art if this channel didnt exist. The countless hours spent watching "animation" this channel recommends has been a part of changing my life for the better. Im going threw each video as I have internet access and so far each one is a plethora of valuable information and entertainment.
So, would you consider Avatar: The Last Airbender to be anime? Honestly curious, because that's the one that, to me, feels most borderline. It doesn't meet the "Japanese" part of the definition used in this video because it was made in America by Americans for Americans, but, to me at least, it absolutely _FEELS_ like anime, partly because it meets the criteria that you included in your comment, in my opinion.
One interesting show, would be all the American Clones and near-Clones of Urusei Yatsura in the US in the 80s. Galaxy High (which looks a bit like an animated version of the Role-Playing game "Teeenagers from Outer Space"), Ninja High School, etc..On the Anime side, it might be worth it to check out Wingman (early Masakazu, whose credits are just about a copyright violation and the modern "Jitsu wa Watashi wa" (which almost seems a Japanese adaption of "Ninja High School" (which took from everything, as they said in the day). "If you see it in Ninja High School it's Ben Dunn."
If I had to say, anime is less a genre or a type of media and more an expectation. Most people when they hear anime have a certain level of expectation when it comes to story, characters, themes and animation presentation and quality. That isn't to say high expectations, just merely expectations. If an American made something indistinguishable from "anime" no doubt people will just call it anime as that would be the easiest and quickest way to describe the piece of work. I think where some people get confused is calling pieces of work that is easily distinguishable from anime, "anime". Like people calling Avatar an anime. It's a great show but how it tells its story and characters and how it composites its shots and action sequences is a lot different from anime. It's like being able to tell Michael Bay films apart from every other Hollywood film. They may all be Hollywood films, but that is definitely Michael Bay. Likewise, just because everything is animation, for the most part it's generally easy to tell when something is anime and when something isn't.
Calling Avatar: The Last Airbender an anime is like calling The Legend of Zelda an RPG. It's understandable, but technically wrong and kind of irritating.
@@cinnamonnoir2487 Yet anime fans are FAR more likely to watch Avatar and view it as similar to anime, than the vast majority of Japanese shows that have a predominantly western style of visual design/animation.
@@jaybee27D There's one essential thing that distinguishes RPGs, both Japanese and Western, from other types of games: experience-based progression. In Final Fantasy, fighting monsters gives you experience which lets you level up and gain new abilities. Same thing for Dragon Quest, Tales of Symphonia, Paper Mario, Dark Souls, etc. Even though the games I just listed are very different from each other, they all have combat-based leveling systems. The vast majority of Zelda games don't. That being said, Zelda II _does_ have an experience-based leveling system and _is_ an RPG. But the people who call Zelda an RPG series are almost never thinking of Zelda II; I've heard Ocarina of Time referred to as an RPG more often than any other Zelda game, and it's nothing like an RPG. The industry term for it was "adventure game", but I understand that this label is vague and doesn't define it very well. I would say that the typical "classic" Zelda game, prior to Breath of the Wild, was a lot closer to a platformer/collectathon like Banjo-Kazooie than it was to anything else. Part of what makes Zelda such an interesting series is that its gameplay is extremely varied. It has qualities similar to action games, puzzle games, and platformers, but the way it combines them keeps it from fitting into any strict genre definition. But one thing it certainly isn't is an RPG. Just like how people assumed Avatar: The Last Airbender was anime because of how it looked, people called Zelda an RPG because it was set in a fantasy world with magic and a faux-medieval setting. It's a very superficial take on Zelda.
@@8bitdiedie Avatar is certainly _like_ anime, and I think that's quite deliberate. It came out at a time when a whole generation of kids had been watching the Pokemon anime for years on TV and were just moving on to stuff like Naruto and Bleach. But that doesn't make it anime. Speed Racer _looked_ like an American saturday morning cartoon, but it was actually an anime. That's the same definition problem in reverse. I'm also not sure what you mean by Japanese shows with a Western style. There are very few shows like that. Are you talking about stuff like Speed Racer, or Crayon Shin-Chan, or something different? The important thing from my perspective is that animated shows made in Japan have to be _translated_ from Japanese in order for an English-speaking audience to experience them. That alone makes them a unique category, because translation always involves a certain amount of culture shock and concepts that are lost or altered in the process. Avatar was written by Americans, and it feels like it was written by Americans. That's why it's not an anime, regardless of stylistic similarities. It's true that to Japanese people "anime" is just anything animated, but in the West "anime" is animation from Japan.
The only thing I would dare to comment is that "stop motion animation" is part of the art of filming and sculpture, since it is produced in reality and transformed into a moving picture. Animation is 100% intangible and a derivative of painting and filming.
Чувак, там на моделях даже отпечатки пальцев заметить можно, они со стилизацией очень хорошо поработали. Единственное что выдает истинную натуру сериала это высокий фреймрейт
He said he reuploaded it to include some extra info and correct a few mistakes he made in the original video. He probably unlisted or deleted the original video
The next time I see someone argue over what’s anime, I’ll send them this and tell them to shut the f*ck up.
I'll argue here, because culturally and style wise, anime has become more than just being something made from a certain area or by a certain group.
It's developed into a genre with many, many sub-genres, that (yes) are informed by works originally made in Japan. But it's grown into something that expands beyond that, to encompass so much more.
Just like hip hop/rap began in NY, spread to America, and now spans the globe. Being made by people of all nationalities, from all different backgrounds, etc.
It keeps the influence from the Music originally coming from NY in the 70s and 80s, but has grown into so much more with many many sub-genres of hip hop/rap, and is made all around the world by different people of all types and backgrounds, and it's style has expanded while also keeping something from it's roots.
@@masstv9052 You're getting the definition of "genre" confused. Obviously, music has genres, since music of the same genre/root genre will share things in common, like what instruments are used, what rhythm and timescale are common ect. But what makes anime a "genre"? What commonalities does say _Victorian Romance Emma_ share with _Jojo's Bizarre Adventure?_ The only one I can see is that they're 2D animation. But 2D animation isn't a genre, it's a medium.
You might have made this connection based on the idea that all anime share the same art style, so that sorta makes it a genre. But there's a LOT of anime out there that don't use the typical "anime" artstyle, but fans still see them as "anime". Things like _Monster, Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt, Dead Leaves, The Tatami Galaxy, Trava Fist Planet, Trapeze, Serial Experiments Lain, Mind Game, Tekkonkinkreet, Genius Party, HELLS, FLAG_ and _Kino's Journey_ to name a few. Going by the definition of "anime is an artstyle" would exclude the aforementioned, which definitely doesn't sound right.
@@fireazaI think you're putting words and though in my mouth or thoughts that I didn't say.
so, yes, It's a main Genre, that (like every other genre evolves & creates new Sub-genres which will differ from other sub-genres, but all these sub-genres have some influence from the original artists & art/product that was originally made. So while each sub-genre will have some influence from those who came before, it's influence will have taken something different as an influence, than another sub-genre who has been inspired by a different influence of those previous artists & art/product)
also has various sub-genres just like (as you stated yourself) music, and movies, and every other medium.
Movie isn't a Genre, it's a medium.......But you have Horror genres (which also can be divided into different Sub-genres of horror, and the same goes for all the Main Genres, which can be further divided into various sub-genres that have been influenced by a different aspect of the earlier horror films, making each sub-genre unique), you have comedy genres, Romance Genres, Period Piece Genres, etc, etc, etc.
Anime used the medium of Animation, but it's a Genre which can be divided into further sub-genres, as it's progressed and new artists entered using the medium and Genre of Anime, to create something new, but it's still influenced & built on the shoulders of those animes & artists who came. before them
Just like, as an example, Quinton Tarantino has a style (while using his style to create movies in various sub-genres, like westerns, Period Pieces, Suspense, thriller, exploitation film genre, and kung fu films.). He was heavily influenced by those directors who came before him, who he seen as Auteurs. So he used their influence, while also incorporating his own style into films that are heavily influenced by directors & movies he loved when he was younger.
So he created something new & unique, but they still fell into Genres & sub-genres. Despite Quinton having his own unique style unlike anyone else in the business.
Same with Christopher Nolan, who has his own style that he brings into existing Genres of the film medium. Whether that's Sci-fi Heist films, super-hero films, action or Suspense film genres, etc, etc, etc.
So, I'm not misunderstanding the definitions.
I just inherently disagree with this videos take, and the OP of this threads hard agreement with the videos conclusions and take.
@Camera c I think you should look at my response to the gentleman who posted below you. It also is a response to you as well, expanding on my point.
My little pony is Anime then. Got it.
Counterpoint: nothing is anime
Haha. reminds me of that syndrome quote from the incredibles.
There’s no such thing as a fish
Everything is anime but at the same time nothing is anime I guess
@@MiguelAngel-ij2tk And when everything is anime ... NOTHING Will be.
@@MiguelAngel-ij2tk The only Syndrome quote I remember is "...and when everybody becomes super, no one will be" but I fail to see how that's relevant.
Note: if you haven't seen The Incredibles there is more to that quote than I included. This is just to jog the memory of those that have seen it.
If it's animated, and you can't show it to your parents without being horribly embarrassed, it's anime.
Aqua Teen Hunger Force is an anime, confirmed.
@Wind Rose depends on your age
finally, the real answer
Xavier: Renegade Angel
Beastars
The original 80’s Voltron is two animes in a trench coat pretending to be one Saturday morning cartoon
"One Saturday morning TV slot, please."
"...Are you American?"
*clears throat, then speaks in a deeper voice* "Of course I am."
@@cinnamonnoir2487 *attempts at a southern accent* Do you know where I could get so moch- I mean nachos?
then they bragged to macross about getting in and thats how we got Robotech
And Robotech is 3 that somehow manage to actually work well.
Wasn't there a third one picked for It and since It wasn't as popular when mashup so It wasn't kept?
"But it was actually made in my FAVORITE Japanese prefecture... TEXAS"
King of the Hill is an Anime confirmed
Funimation, ADV, Sentai Film works, and Rooster Teeth call Texas home.
RWBY was actually made here.
@@cruelscientist6829 Is RWBY anime?
@@Lakefront_Khan - depends, what do you consider ‘Anime’? Some consider it a cartoon, others an anime. to each their own I suppose
All good things are Texan confirmed
Holy shit... So for YEARS I have been trying to remember the name of this cartoon I saw when I was maybe 5 years old back in the late 80's. All I remembered about it was some incredible vague images of a jungle and a van and nothing else about the film itself. I remembered getting my parents to rent the tape from a local off licence every other day. Half of the damn thing was damn near unwatchable and I think our VCR eventually strait up ate the tape. I had pretty much given up on ever remembering what the hell it was, then this video randomly gets recommended to me by youtube. "Oh this looks neat" I think, and start watching... Then 12:02 hits and the memories of this random cartoon I've not seen for damn near 31 years INSTANTLY come flooding back. Seriously... With a name to finally go with it I instantly started searching on google and was instantly able to find the old Return of the Dinosaurs VHS released in the UK by Medusa in 1983. I just finished re-watching the entire thing again and it was like being a kid again (for better or for worse), it's janky as hell but my god I'm happy to have seen it again.
So whilst it almost certainly wasn't the intention of your video... thanks... thanks for digging up these random old shows and talking about them. If you didn't, I probably never would have seen this again :D
Same thing, but with the anime at 11:17
Screnshotted and searched, it's ultimate muscle: I used to always see it when I was little but never knew how it was called
Dude one of the characters sounds like shaggy
@Billy William I've never heard of them, I don't know if they aired in my country.
@Billy William I looked them up, the only anime I couldn't find in italian is fighting foodons.
This guy went through what could only be described as magical.
"If you flip through a manga fast enough, does it turn into an anime?"
now that there's a question for the ages
😃
If you look at early chapters of Murata version of " One Punch Man " manga I would say Yes;
You can literally make animation from manga panels ALONE and thats animation is still BETTER than infamous Nora " anime " .
@@Sephioss funny because I was thinking of exactly that when he said that
@@Sephioss tbf anything that moves is better than the Nora "anime" (and also better than Chargeman Ken)
Here's a good one
"If you flip through the Flip-O-Rama in Captain Underpants fast enough, does it turn into a cartoon?"
Cybersix goes a layer deeper. It's an Argentinian comic published in ITALY made into an anime by Canadians paying a Japanese studio to animate it.
Cybersix actually also had a live-action series in Argentina, that I saw when I was like 10, and I don't remember much except for the aesthetic that was quite. Maybe if I watch it today it'd be horribly bad, but I choose to keep the distorted memories. :D
Loved this show growing up. It only has like 10 eps.
It sounds like Cybersix is the South American batman or something :D
Argentine? I thought it was Brazilian...? Or does it just take place in Brazil?
Oh Cybersix and the magic of mutant love.
*Fun Fact:* Tove Jansson (the author of the Moomins) originally going to sell the Moomins to Walt Disney Company. Although, she turned them down so she can retain full creative control over her work.
Good Choice But That's Probably Why The US Barely Gets Moomin Content
Likely why it had some dicey moments. To which I treasure.
Was
Good for her. Who knows what they would have turned it into
@@pinkflametheepic Well, that is the time Walt Disney was still alive so he could've agreed with her but you're right that the company might ruined her creation. I can't blame Walt for the downfall of his company but only the greedy dirtbags get away with tarnishing his legacy.
10:50 Some of the first Japanese animators were former "Paper Theater" artists looking for work after WWII. The post-War influx of Disney cartoons made the "Paper Theater" genre die practically overnight, so former paper-theater artists turned to become animators, themselves
As a Dutch person, this video suddenly became a trove of obscure and forgotten childhood shows. I never realized that Moomins and Alfred J. Kwak were Co-produced by Japanese studios.
As Dutch Otaku I always try to educate my fellow Dutch Otaku about my favorite anime from when I was two years old. Been calling those shows anime for years because they fit my definition, so finally getting recognized was a big deal.
As a fellow Ducth person I didn't know Moomin was a thing in the Netherlands. Whoops.
Alfred J Kwak was some dark stuff man
Dolf is justice
yep
I am somewhat of an animator myself when I flip manga pages
Dav Pilkey fans be like:
@@lrgogo1517 Flip-O-Rama!!😎
I appreciate the two replies above
Maybe the real anime was the friends we made along the way
I Didn't Make Any Friends
no
Lol
I’ve never found an overused joke so funny
*Pulls on the blunt*....... yo dash deep *hacking cough*
"I don't know what anime is"
- Man who runs an anime channel
"The wise man is one who, knows, what he does not know."
But here I am, talking about it,
The more you know about anime, the more you understand just how little you really know.
At first I thought he was joking. Then I saw the video and thought, “HUH?”
The anime oracle finds this man to be quite wise.
As an animator, I've actually considered the "what even is animation" question before. If you're going by the generally-accepted definition of animation (drawings, 3D models, or stop-motion), then no, a show with puppets isn't animated. But going by the chief definition of the verb "animate"- to make alive- then the puppeteers are technically animating them. Sure, it's not a Frankenstein situation where the being given life has its own free will; the puppets return to a lifeless state unless someone's controlling them. But isn't that true of all animation? We never see the full illusion of life unless we push the play button. So I'd argue shows like MST3K, Sesame Street, etc could be classified as live-action with animated elements. There seems to be a difference between what counts as animation and what counts as anime, though, at least from a Western perspective. Tl;dr: This video made me nerd out.
Nothing is an animation.
Smart conclusion.
"Anime is not puppets" is one of those phrases that will never leave my brain.
How is it not?
I wonder if CGI-generated "puppet" show created in Japan would count as an anime, since the new Pingoo seems to be fine with Kenny.
@@alexgomez6723 It's filmed for one. It's also an extension of the body, which defines it as a performance, much in the same way V-tubers & lets plays are performances. If you're filming real life, can you really call that animation?
@@kennylauderdale_en films just take lots of pictures. Anime is just hand drawn pictures. Seinfeld contains a number of those picture of a hand painted portait of Kramer. Therefore, Seinfeld is anime.
Checkmate
@@skinnysnorlax1876 Animation is just persistence of movement. If you blink fast enough real life becomes anime. King me.
"...so popular that Saudi royalty commissioned a documentary about it"
excuse me what
It is a good series!!!
Anything that makes it to Saudi Arabia goes through the royal family first. It's a very different world than you're probably used to.
@@azuroslazuli6948 i wonder if echii anime ever reached the royal families.
@@MrDuck-po3wy i hope they liked it
@@dominiusprotocol I would.
"Least animated anime" has to be 'Band of Ninja'/'Manual of Ninja Martial Arts' (which also goes by a half-dozen other names)- A full, 90m feature film, released in cinemas i n 1967, which is literally just a camera shooting pages of a manga, with voices and sound effects dubbed over the top. Closest thing to "animation" is zooming, panning, or shaking the camera- but it was made by anime an production company, distributed through anime distributors, even has an MAL page; Everything about it indicates 'anime' til you actually watch it, and say "Wait... it's all like THIS?!?"
Nora. Peaks around. Corner.
Ninja Bugeicho. I’ve got a Pinterest board of it. It’s a creation of Sanpei Shirato.
@@TheRealNormanBates V E R Y S L O W E L Y
Sounds like the really old Marvel cartoons, which weren't much more than comic panels with minimal movement and voice acting.
And then there's the uniquely horrifying Clutch Cargo...
@@worldcomicsreview354 so glad you mentioned clutch cargo lmfao
If animated in japan makes a show anime. Then inspector gadget and half of DICs 80s cartoons are anime.
tatadum daduhm DIC!
I Accept
It's pretty much like saying a tomato is a fruit
Was any of King of the Hill animated in Japan?
@@Abdega no
Kenny's content easily beats anything anitubers have to offer. The closest thing for me is Gigguk, and while he's funny, the anime reviewer formula worn out a bit, especially with dudes like Digi slowly dragging it towards borderline-pretentious-mixed-with-hot-takes style of Vice-level content sprinkled with aspiring hack's stream of consciousness.
I agree, a lot of antitubers get repetitive. Especially Nux Taku, that guy just pumps out content and his humor annoys me. Most antitubiers talk about all the same trending, seasonal shit. While Kenny makes videos about shit I've never heard of. How he happily talks about the anime while throwing in little bits of info about the show makes his content vastly more interesting. The only antituber I can think of that's like him is super eyepatch wolf.
Hey, Digi nowadays is a girl called Trixie and her content ir pretty dope now! You should check It out, it's not as pretentious and is more unique
"Anitubers" are chasing an audience that is, by and large, only interested in the current season, and only the most Shonen shows at that.
I can't really blame them for adapting the content they put out to the biases and preferences of their audience, but it's a far cry from the more scholarly videos that Kenny produces.
The former prioritise audience engagement over the merit of the subject matter, the latter the other way around.
A lot of the classic cartoons in America were made by Canadian/French production companies. A lot of them were Saturday morning cartoons on CW
Just a few that I remember were French: Totally Spies, Code Lyoko, Magi-Nation,
Martin Mystery qualifies too if memory serves.
@@kirant yeah, made by the same company as Totally Spies
Am i lost here ???? American *Cartoons and Animation* are totally different from each other.. Cartoons never takes it self seriously while Animation like *Batman TAS* dose.. Toon Spite vs Action Heroes .. Bugs Bunny could get shoot by a gun and be ok *CARTOON* .. while Batman got too dodge Two-Face with a Tommy Gun because he could literally be killed *ANIMATION* ... this dude channel being serious...? thought he was a expert who could easily distinguished this stuff ..?
@@jorgito93700 could Total Spies be shoot by a gun in the series ? it most likely a Animation then...
I have a strange feeling of deja vu...
Ikr? The sense of nostalgia i get watching this has me feeling like im running in the 90s...
reupload
@@joerig96 that sounds more acurrate
Added content for people who studied rangaku.
What happened to the original upload?
Typical.
Kenny becomes popular, publicly traded, and before you know it he starts making HD re-releases of his old content.
"Things That Might be Anime" Game of the Year Edition Featuring Dante from the devil May Cry Series.
@@kennylauderdale_en "Things That Might be Anime" GOAT Edition Featuring Knuckls from the Knuckles the Echidna Series (feat. Hideous Kojimer of Strands of Death renown)
@@kennylauderdale_en Ani-May Cry
@@kennylauderdale_en Will Gekimation like Violence Voyager be part of the DLC season pass?
@@kennylauderdale_en & Knuckles
Sorry.
Fun fact: Quite a few episodes of Batman: The Animated Series from the early nineties qualifies as anime technically. Sunrise actually produced a decent number of episodes over the shows run
A lot of WB and Disney shows used Japanese studios in those days. I used to always wonder why certain episodes were so well animated and usually they were done by Japanese studios.
TMS did too.
Some of the TMS-animated episodes even had Japanese directors.
In my opinion, I think that the most defining thing about anime is being produced primarily with Japanese people as a target audience, not to say that others can't enjoy, but that the producers are mostly or at least partly focused on making something for Japan. And that its at least a little animated.
Texas is a hub for anime in the US. We are home to Funimation, ADV, Sentai Film works, and Rooster Teeth! Also, many dub writers, actors, directors, etc are Texas natives.
3:28 “My favorite Japanese prefecture, *_TEXAS_* “
I’m stealing that
That one made me giggle x3
I can't believe I'm technically Asian American
As did Sengoku Rance.
Cowboy Tanaka approves this message.
Cartoons made in Texas or from people from Texas is what I would call Texime.
Hayao Miyazaki has said when live action becomes computer generated most of the time, its already mostly anime. Also the 70s Euro-Japanese co-productions were made at a time where the term anime was not even coined yet
I saw trailers for the live action Terror Formars (or however it's written) that was awash with CGI. And modern Sentai shows lean heavily on it too.
So, MCU is anime?
@@third-ratedude4234 Marvel Cinematic Universe? it counts as Tokusatsu
So, Heidi, Girl of the Alps (with work done in part by no other than Hayao Miyazaki), Vicky the Viking, Maya the Honey Bee, and Pinocchio were actually no animes? The style (which confused me a lot when I was a child) very much looked like that.
Is the Last Unicorn anime?
English language movie from a book animated by Japanese studio. But look at the unicorn’s eyes, that’s so anime.
So Yes. Yes it is.
Because the Ghibli founders animated it.
I was going to ask about The Last Unicorn! It is my favortie ever and I do count it as an anime. The animators went to work for Stuido Ghibli on Nuasicaa. It makes me happy that someone else asked!
Fun fact: The unicorn's human form was originally designed to purposely look anime because she was out of its world. In fact, they had to keep redoing it only because it looked very moe.
Well it has a magical creature being turned into a Waifu. So obviously it's anime.
Although strangely enough, she looked more moe as a horned horse than as a woman...
@@SlapstickGenius23 Batman The Animated Series was animated by a Japanese studio
Batman TAS was anime
Ooof, really unleashed the Kraken with this one.
I had Korean outsourcing on my mind during the whole video. With many anime *cough* having a large percentage of their staff being based in South Korea, does Korean animation inherit the 'anime' title? Is Dead Leaves an anime? Is King of the Hill an anime? (apparently, it's the best anime) What about manwa that's animated by Japanese studios?
Then there was the Japanese X-Men series from last decade.
Also, thanks for the Cowboy Bebop - Woolongs for Nothing clips. The timing was perfect; I was on a Dire Straits kick yesterday so this was the best thing I didn't know existed.
I think anime has branched into a genre that mostly does at least one or two of the following: Is made in Japan, is animated, follows a traditionally anime or manga style, is made by someone japanese, is themed around or set in Japan, and or has very Japanese influence. It doesn't really follow a set rule book, but tears at least a few pages out
there is chinese and korean anime now... so kind of destroys that idea. I think it's better to denote a type of art style
@@justinbarnes3857 It must be animated in 2d or 3d trying to look like manga
@@justinbarnes3857 Or maybe just group it together as east Asian animation and wait for the conflicts to escalate.
@@justinbarnes3857 Chinese cartoons and Korean cartoons couldn't be count as an anime, or else RWBY and Avatar The Last Airbender have to be included in anime too. Their underlying philosophy and the real art style that they want to pursue are rather different from Japanese cartoons too. (most Chinese and Korean artists actually wants to animate stuff more in Westernized style than Japanese style; they are mostly going for Japanese style for cash grab forced by the corps. tl;dr it is more of an copycat than their true art forms.)
@@mousesteam7882 except what does ‘trying to look like manga’ mean? There are so many art styles in manga and anime. Yes, there’s the most commonly used style, but what about ones that aren’t. Would they not be called an anime even if made in Japan?
Texas is the America of America. To have an “anime” animated in Texas is as ‘murican as you can get.
Funimation, ADV, Sentai Film works, and Rooster Teeth call Texas home.
@@cruelscientist6829 Wonder what kind of special sauce Texas has/had that caused so much anime-related stuff to be produced there. Population I guess.
3:32 Considering Koji Igarashi's love of cowboy hats, that's probably his favorite prefecture too.
I like how Kenny's voice quavered when he had to say "Chargeman Ken."
Honestly I am so happy you mentioned Alfred J. Quack. It was no doubt my fav Show growing up (Like, some of the stuff they covered on the Show was really intense for a Kids Show and I applaud them for that)
Also, the German Intro is an absolute Bop
5:54 You're a saint! I've been wondering what this series' name was for a while.
I grew up watching it as a kid but I missed the final episodes.(I don't remember if it was because of school or because our cable provider removed the channel)
The Jim Henson's Dinosaurs bit always gets to me. The message is still on point.
It got me, I’d never seen that scene before.
A great show that I haven’t rewatched because I’d like it to stay that way.
@@MobileTech296
the good news is it holds up
the mating dance episode is even better now that you're old enough to understand what Robbie was actually doing in the hallway
@@MobileTech296 Dinosaurs is definitely a show I encourage everyone to rewatch if they saw it as a kid. It’s exactly like early-season Simpsons: as a kid, you love it for the surface-level humor, and when you rewatch it as an adult, you realize it was funny on levels that flew right the hell over your head.
Dinosaurs is one of the best written, yet least applauded shows out there. In my mind I liken it to the wit of something like Bojack Horseman or Archer. Way, way ahead of it's time.
11:12 Imagine sitting at a pachinko machine, just putting metal balls in every few minutes.
You hit a few jackpots unawares
Metal balls are overflowing into your lap
Someone walks up “dude, you won”
“SHH! I’m trying to watch!”
He's a real thinker: some weekly anime series in Japan have started taking to hiring American animators to work on the shows remotely from their homes in America, and send the finished animation over the internet to the production studios in Japan. Does that still count as anime, then?
Less work for the labor workers in Japan, so less money for those labor workers over there.
Japan has been using animation studios in Korea to do the in-betweens for decades now, so I'd say nothing has changed. Hell, America uses them too, though often to produce the whole show, not just the in-betweens. Does this mean _The Simpsons_ is a Korean cartoon? Probably not, since the core of the show was designed and made in America for Americans.
fun fact: little lulu and your littler friends was adapted with an American cartoon style, the show was also brought to other countries such as brazil and from what I remember at the time it was well embraced by the Brazilian children's audience
I remember watching it at morning while waiting for the better cartoons
This video is legendary! Many tried to copy this premise but no one get close to this brilliant piece
Occasionally I remember that the entire second season of The Big O was made entirely for Toonami/ Midnight Run/ Adult Swim, giving us one of the rare cases when the dub predates the sub.
I like how philosophical this question has become.
Setting the definition of an argument is a wonderful skill, because, in cases like this, it can expose how many things are just cultural consensus instead of an actually agreed upon 'hard' definition, and even those still require consensus to some extent.
I was literally just writing a comment about how this whole video exemplifies something that Aristotle called "telos" lmao
@@thecianinator Lol, I did find that comment. Aristotle and all those ancient ones really were out there, lol. Kenny's probably the weeb Aristotle?
@@未来のばか
Kenny searches exotic, dusty archives to bring us ancient stories and history nearly forgotten in our time.
He's not weeb Aristotle, he's weeb Herodotus.
@@TheZigzagman I see, lol. Thanks for the correction.. I might as well start reading up on this stuff, though I'm not really knowledgeable about it.
“Turns out, I have no idea what anime even is.” - An Anime Focused UA-cam Channel
YOOO MAD RESPECT FOR USING THE BOF 3 OST AS BACKGROUND MUSIC! ALSO THESE VIDEOS ARE GREAT KEEP IT UP!!!
stumbled upon this channel recently. And I’ve come to say what an animation and film buff from japan told me with confidence is the term anime was given to the Japanese film makers who were featuring their project to a festival in france, and as a back handed comment dubbed it as Anime; in implication that it’s not fully animated but rather compensating with frame to frame juxtaposition. The term is solidified with implications of japanese animation, but even the Japanese film makers Satoshi Kon, Mamoru Hosoda, Isao Takahada and of course Hayao Miyazaki still refer to themselves as film makers and opposed to being called anime artists.
Obligatory "a miserable little pile of secrets" comment.
"What is a manime?"
But enough talk, have at UwU
Kenny's uploads always make me smile
And yours make me smile.
Hey it the persona guy!!
I think we need to focus on calling it a style rather than focusing on where it came from. Let's take this argument to music, for example - is grunge only grunge if it comes from Seattle? How about Japanese jazz? Is it not jazz because it's not from the US? Shoegazer/math music started in the UK, then moved to the US, then many parts of Asia went in all kinds of interesting directions with it and now we see it as the opening theme to Land of Lustrous. Also, Belladonna of Sadness may be Japanese but it is the essence of 1970's France - one of THE most French things I've ever seen.
this is the correct interpretation
With app like web toons and the like, honestly yea Anime is a style rather then where it comes from, I can totally get down with this 100%
This is the correct answer. One day the world will agree.
Like how champagne is technically a sparkling wine only made in a specific region in France but most people would call any sparkling wine champagne regardless of where it originates from, I think anime now describes more of a style than where it comes from.
Here's my personal definition: Anime is every animation made primarily in Japan _and also_ any animation that holds the common characteristics associated with Japanese animation, except for when the label would cause confusion. For example, I would call the Castlevania show anime because there are no notable distinctions caused by it not being animated in Japan; however, I would not call Avatar: The Last Airbender anime because--while it is definitively inspired by anime--it has very American sensibilities and presentation, and calling it anime might discourage some people from viewing it if the term "anime" turns them off.
Anime in Japanese actually means animation, this means any animation whether it's a cartoon made in the US, or animation from France can technically be called anime.
Edit:
Oof I wrote this comment before the part when he actually said it.
I think the definition has broadened over the decades due to how mainstream Anime has become and due to globalization. At a certain point classifying what is or isn't Anime is like classifying a genre or subgenre of music. While Anime in the 80s and 90s was something more clearly cut (virtually everything was entirely done in Japan) the broad appeal and popularity have expanded the definition.
These days especially; when content is so easy and readily available people can now grow up almost entirely on Japanese culture and its products (games, movies, anime, manga, and plenty more). If a western/non-Japanese kid spends his entire life watching and researching Anime and one day becomes a show or film creator making local Animed inspired shows--- does that make the show anime? Likely for not for now but into the future? I think so. Eventually, Anime can be classified exclusively as art, style, form, and subject matter.
Here in Brazil for instance some people can't agree on what is a Comic or Comic Book. Does it have to be American? Does it need Super/Heroes? Done in a very different style than DC or Marvel?
It goes on and on. Just like Cyber Six. Art does not remain regional forever that's the beauty of culture.
And YES Thunderbolt Fantasy is Anime. Say otherwise and we'll catapult a cow from my fortress while I taunt you a second time!
Interesting that Brazilians are having the same discussion on comics that Americans are having about anime. In America, a comic is literally anything drawn or rendered with panels, but it's a different idea in Brazil. That's just so interesting to me.
Rewatching for the extra content and so UA-cam's Al Gore Rhythm recommends this to more peeps
Al Gore Rhythm
It’s funny, cuz _Animé_ is a French word before it was ever used in Japan, and even in Japan, it doesn’t mean the show is Japan specific. It literally just means “animated cartoon” to the Japanese. Likewise, _manga_ just means “cartoon” (can be STILL or ANIMATED), but by the 90s, started to get the connotation of ONLY STILL, unlike in English where it, by the 90s, got the connotation of ONLY ANIMATED).
Japan Admires the French, I live in Japan for years and they really admire anything French, which dated back in the Shogunate and Meiji Era, due to Napoleon and the French Monarchy, examples is the term "Prefectures" for Japanese Provinces, to some colleges and educational institutions in Japan offering French
@@exudeku
They seem to admire American culture in a similar way.
Kind of clashes with the traditional western view of the Japanese as xenophobic.
@@TheZigzagman i dont think it clashes. plenty of xenophobic people in the US point to Japan as a "good example" but would think differently if they came to the US without learning English or tried to establish a culture of conformity in the US. they like the "good parts" but like more for foreigners to stay "over there".
@@personmcdudeguy Exactly. 😃
@@personmcdudeguy I think the sort of opposite is true within Japan, a lot of the Japanese that really admire the US dislike the collectivism and conformity of Japan and prefer the US’s individualism.
Also the stereotype of Japan being xenophobic toward foreigners is only really true in certain cases. You have to remember that even the now elderly in Japan grew up with US forces stationed in their borders. Many younger Japanese almost *fetishize* westerners. I’d say the only times Japanese will actually be straight up xenophobic toward a foreigner is if they live in a rural town (which also generally applies to the US) or if they just generally dislike foreigners for whatever reason which is relatively rare.
That reminds me that once I had a discussion with a friend about what is and what is not anime when Netflix's castlevania came out and they told me "I can bring you a guy to explain you what an anime is" so I answered "And I can bring you one of my Japanese friends to tell you that everything is anime"
You have friends who live in Japan?
No harm done confusing it with a Anime
Castlevania game made by *Konami* of Japan ... but yeah the fact that he doesn't kown the difference between American Cartoons & Animation was actually a bit shocking to watch not going to lie lol
@@Nikku4211 I have many actually, they help me a lot practicing Japanese
I legitimately like the moment at 14:30. It looks pretty and the black and white contrast is cool.
Normal people be like: "Oh, I like Avatar, does that count as anime? Can I join your anime club?"
And then there's me: "GUYS, DID YOU KNOW RUDOLPH THE RED-NOSED REINDEER WAS MADE IN JAPAN?? BEST ANIME 202X!!"
NANI???!
Fun fact: Tove Jansson's Moomins were introduced to Japan through spies in WWII.
That's so beautiful.
"Have you deciphered the Americans' secret codes?"
"Nope, but I did find this cool picture book with mysterious symbols on it."
"...This is just Finnish."
"Wow, you must be _really_ good at deciphering."
SMH you didn't even mention my favorite Texas anime, king of the hill.
RWBY was made in Texas. Funimation, ADV, Sentai Film works and Rooster Teeth call Texas home.
I miss the days of simplicity...
At this point, if it entertains me, I'll take it.
"...even tho it doenst look like it, yep thats an anime..."
To me it does, there are subtleties that make anime feel anime, but I dont know how to explain them
Man, Kenny has got to be some of the most underrated UA-camrs ever
He's like if Mike Birbiglia did cartoon reviews and I love him for it.
There was some shitty Anime youtuber list of anime channels and Kenny was almost on the lowest tier... It was baffling.
No doubt Anime man (Joey) watches this channel too.
I really try to find another creators with a similar style to him when talking about animes but it has been a unsuccessful journey
@@el972 I wouldn't really say they are similar, but BennetTheSage also reviews old school and somewhat obscure anime shows.
I would ask the same question as Joker: Where does Kenny get those wonderful not-anime?
When everything is anime, nothing is.
Live-action is not anime. Statues are not anime.
@@FireRupee Statues aren't anime? Sekkou Boys would like to have a word with you.
Good discussion, but I really wish you talked about Seinferudu a bit more. The contest saga really changed my life.
I always liked the "big, colorful, and sparkly eyes and pointy faces but otherwise realistically proportioned" art style argument.
except for things like sailor moon, where their legs are 3/4 of their body length
"Realistically Proportioned"
Not really, no.
I think anime is the true meaning of Christmas
Man you should you a full video on the 60 Moomin show.
Moomin with a gun is some brain melting insanity.
"Moominpappa and the Winter War"
I'd read it.
Now make a sequel: “Things that might be Aeni”
Aeni is Korean animation (it’s also what animation is called in Korea) and yet people keep calling it “Korean anime”.
It sound like anime with "ani-me." Korea just copies almost everything from Japan anyway
while i'm delighted with how many views this has gotten since you uploaded it, it needs more!
Your breadth of knowledge is amazing and your humour is like the icing on the cake
POV: You're seeing time travelers in the comments section
I admire his ability to track down and watch so many obscure shows.
anime is just animation in japanese so nothing is anime everything is animation
We aren't talking about what it means in Japanese, but what it means in English.
@@CarrotConsumer its kinda dumb to have the distinction anyway thats why theres a stigma against anime in the west
One thing I wanna say: Idk why ppl get so mad when we call them cartoons. As a label that we made up to simplify things, it doesn't determine quality. There's plenty of shitty anime as well as children's anime, like there are plenty of great cartoons and adult cartoons as well.
@@mascotwithadinosaur9353 like some people always rag on about "weebs" saying Avatar or Castlevania "isn't anime", but when it's turn around and we asked "why don't you like Avatar or Castlevania to be called as cartoons instead?" they get mad.
@@Kaimax61 Avatar is a cartoon=Whiplash is live-action
That is to say I completely agree with you.
1:53 If TMS, a *japanese* animation studio, produced some episodes of Tiny Toons, does that make Tiny Toons (at least partially) an anime?
This is one of these videos where multiple things show up only for the sake of B-roll footage and are never explained or mentioned, but catch my interest more than the things that are discussed. You were _this close_ to spreading the good word about _Gal & Dinosaur._ And WHAT EVEN WAS THAT POLYGONAL BEBOP ANIMATION???
Wait. Is this Deja Vu?
I've just been in this place before
And I know it's my time to go
For some reason, this made me nostalgic for my first experience in anime which was Toei's The Little Mermaid released in 1978 in the US. I still have the VHS somewhere.
The question about whether a show made in America by Americans in a Japanese art style could be considered anime, I am reminded of a debate over the contrast and definition of two game genres:
JRPG (Japanese Role-Playing Game)
WRPG (Western Role-Playing Game)
The way it was described to me was that the quintessential JRPG is something like a modern Final Fantasy game, with various standard RPG elements (story-rich, leveling up, inventory management, etc.) but distinguishes from WRPG's by the fact that it has a story to tell, and the player is just put in the role of one or more characters in that existing story. They may make a few key choices, or none at all, but they generally follow a narrative path already defined.
A WRPG on the other hand, would be something closer to Dungeons & Dragons. It's less about the game telling the player a story and more about the player putting themselves or a character(s) of their own creation into the story to play. A great example of that might be something like The Elder Scrolls. There is a background story, but the player-character isn't pre-defined, doesn't have as fixed a set path to follow, more narrative freedom.
Then, the real kicker came when someone called "Dark Souls" a WRPG, and I was like, "but it's from Japan!" and they responded, "yes, but it's not a Japanese- _style_ RPG. It's got character creation, and the story is more in the background than centered on the player character. It's a Western _style_ RPG."
And then there's the people who think Zelda is an RPG.
@@cinnamonnoir2487 Well BOTW has health bars and lots of mechanics we associate with RPG's
Still an action adventure series tho
@@ilikestuff9250 Okay, sure, but people were calling Zelda an RPG twenty years ago. It really didn't have anything to do with mechanics. Similar to the idea that "anime is a genre", a lot of people felt that anything fantasy-related was probably an RPG.
@@cinnamonnoir2487 Well what can I say?
People are dumb and generally such stupid generalizations are more than par for the course
Thunderbolt Fantasy is like, definitely an important part of Anime history!
I’m still not sure if it counts as Anime tho. Like the whole production team is pure Anime… but…
9:52 I think this is the moment that semi-introduced Thunderbolt Fantasy to me. I remember seeing a clip of some weird puppets fighting gratuitously and had no idea wtf that was about, Kenny helped me put a name to that clip and indirectly referred me to the most sleeped on not-anime of all time. The new season started filming a few weeks ago and it reminded me of this video.
It’s back, new & improved!!! 😁
why was it reuploaded, copyright stuff?
There were some new “is this anime?” examples Kenny discovered after the first version posted, and some lines he wanted to correct/change 🙂
I remember this video! I'll still watch it again tho, it was pretty fun
P.S.: dunno if anyone else said this yet, but I'm looking forward to an Izenborg video! It caught my interest after you talked about it here
Third,
was this video unlisted and made public? Because it said "Uploaded 12 seconds ago" but there are comments from hours ago.
Look at his Community post! He explains why he took it down and re-uploaded
to be frank this video was taken down from like a month ago or more, re uploaded with more examples.
Usually patrons get early access to videos prior to them being public
If you take a look on "Turma da Monica" from Mauricio de Souza, a brazilian studio, you'll find a lot of anime influence there. The guy was a friend of Osamu Tezuka.
The comics even made a Kamen Rider Den-o reference at least once.
@@fnjesusfreak and a Death Note one too
So... Are the Mónica Toy shorts an anime?
@@Nadia1989 Probably. Of course the radical fans would disagree. :D
This is one of my favorite videos of this channel. Idk if I would know such a wide verity of art if this channel didnt exist. The countless hours spent watching "animation" this channel recommends has been a part of changing my life for the better. Im going threw each video as I have internet access and so far each one is a plethora of valuable information and entertainment.
What if the real anime is inside all of us
So RIP original video?
The original is unlisted
Art style, yelling,certain type of humor, fighting, power ups, bad guys, bad guys turning good. That's what I look at for whats an anime
So, would you consider Avatar: The Last Airbender to be anime? Honestly curious, because that's the one that, to me, feels most borderline. It doesn't meet the "Japanese" part of the definition used in this video because it was made in America by Americans for Americans, but, to me at least, it absolutely _FEELS_ like anime, partly because it meets the criteria that you included in your comment, in my opinion.
So you consider only shounen to be anime?
“Look forward to my next video: anime that don’t even exist.”
A lost record: SOON.
One interesting show, would be all the American Clones and near-Clones of Urusei Yatsura in the US in the 80s. Galaxy High (which looks a bit like an animated version of the Role-Playing game "Teeenagers from Outer Space"), Ninja High School, etc..On the Anime side, it might be worth it to check out Wingman (early Masakazu, whose credits are just about a copyright violation and the modern "Jitsu wa Watashi wa" (which almost seems a Japanese adaption of "Ninja High School" (which took from everything, as they said in the day). "If you see it in Ninja High School it's Ben Dunn."
14:02 this shot cracked me up. Animator was like "eh... you get the idea."
If I had to say, anime is less a genre or a type of media and more an expectation. Most people when they hear anime have a certain level of expectation when it comes to story, characters, themes and animation presentation and quality. That isn't to say high expectations, just merely expectations.
If an American made something indistinguishable from "anime" no doubt people will just call it anime as that would be the easiest and quickest way to describe the piece of work.
I think where some people get confused is calling pieces of work that is easily distinguishable from anime, "anime". Like people calling Avatar an anime. It's a great show but how it tells its story and characters and how it composites its shots and action sequences is a lot different from anime. It's like being able to tell Michael Bay films apart from every other Hollywood film. They may all be Hollywood films, but that is definitely Michael Bay. Likewise, just because everything is animation, for the most part it's generally easy to tell when something is anime and when something isn't.
Calling Avatar: The Last Airbender an anime is like calling The Legend of Zelda an RPG. It's understandable, but technically wrong and kind of irritating.
@@cinnamonnoir2487 Yet anime fans are FAR more likely to watch Avatar and view it as similar to anime, than the vast majority of Japanese shows that have a predominantly western style of visual design/animation.
@@cinnamonnoir2487 how exactly is Zelda not an RPG?
@@jaybee27D There's one essential thing that distinguishes RPGs, both Japanese and Western, from other types of games: experience-based progression. In Final Fantasy, fighting monsters gives you experience which lets you level up and gain new abilities. Same thing for Dragon Quest, Tales of Symphonia, Paper Mario, Dark Souls, etc. Even though the games I just listed are very different from each other, they all have combat-based leveling systems. The vast majority of Zelda games don't.
That being said, Zelda II _does_ have an experience-based leveling system and _is_ an RPG. But the people who call Zelda an RPG series are almost never thinking of Zelda II; I've heard Ocarina of Time referred to as an RPG more often than any other Zelda game, and it's nothing like an RPG. The industry term for it was "adventure game", but I understand that this label is vague and doesn't define it very well. I would say that the typical "classic" Zelda game, prior to Breath of the Wild, was a lot closer to a platformer/collectathon like Banjo-Kazooie than it was to anything else.
Part of what makes Zelda such an interesting series is that its gameplay is extremely varied. It has qualities similar to action games, puzzle games, and platformers, but the way it combines them keeps it from fitting into any strict genre definition. But one thing it certainly isn't is an RPG. Just like how people assumed Avatar: The Last Airbender was anime because of how it looked, people called Zelda an RPG because it was set in a fantasy world with magic and a faux-medieval setting. It's a very superficial take on Zelda.
@@8bitdiedie Avatar is certainly _like_ anime, and I think that's quite deliberate. It came out at a time when a whole generation of kids had been watching the Pokemon anime for years on TV and were just moving on to stuff like Naruto and Bleach. But that doesn't make it anime. Speed Racer _looked_ like an American saturday morning cartoon, but it was actually an anime. That's the same definition problem in reverse.
I'm also not sure what you mean by Japanese shows with a Western style. There are very few shows like that. Are you talking about stuff like Speed Racer, or Crayon Shin-Chan, or something different?
The important thing from my perspective is that animated shows made in Japan have to be _translated_ from Japanese in order for an English-speaking audience to experience them. That alone makes them a unique category, because translation always involves a certain amount of culture shock and concepts that are lost or altered in the process. Avatar was written by Americans, and it feels like it was written by Americans. That's why it's not an anime, regardless of stylistic similarities. It's true that to Japanese people "anime" is just anything animated, but in the West "anime" is animation from Japan.
What might be anime? What might be life?
Wtf how did you comment 11 hours ago
@@vijayramarao1245 what might be time?
@@TheLandTrain-AnarticaEdition what might be my comment ?
14 hours ago? This doesn't add up 😳
Dude have you ever read any works of Aristotle? because this whole thing is totally Aristotelian
I look up and I find it so fucking funny how the final chapter is just called, “We’ve learned nothing.”
The only thing I would dare to comment is that "stop motion animation" is part of the art of filming and sculpture, since it is produced in reality and transformed into a moving picture. Animation is 100% intangible and a derivative of painting and filming.
"Pingu in the City" doesn't look as made of clay, it looks CG
Чувак, там на моделях даже отпечатки пальцев заметить можно, они со стилизацией очень хорошо поработали. Единственное что выдает истинную натуру сериала это высокий фреймрейт
i am anime, he is anime, you are anime, we are anime
Wait, I could swear I've seen this before. What happened to the original upload?
He said he reuploaded it to include some extra info and correct a few mistakes he made in the original video. He probably unlisted or deleted the original video
A lifetime of drug ingestion will do that to tou
Every time I watch this video it has a different title. It adds a new level of fun whenever I look for it again 😁