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I think it was Mike Tyson that said "everyone has a plan, until you get punched in the mouth"....I was involved in 2 officer involved shootings. Each one was extremely fast, that's what sticks with me the most. Everything happened so very fast. Thanks for the video. Hope you have a wonderful day .
I've been in one lethal self defense shooting as a civilian. That night I didn't even have my gun on my body. I'd been working in a barn, wearing overalls, so my pistol was between the seats of my truck.
Once I realized the reality of the situation I grabbed my pistol and put it against my leg. Was trying to think of an escape plan but there was none and everything went bad fast. Fast! The only moving I did was walking about 3 steps I guess diagonally to get in front of my child. I wanted my body between the threat and my kid. And the threat was a naked man insanely drunk pointing a gun at us demanding insane things.
I fired 4 shots until he dropped his gun. Then he fell and a few minutes later passed away. From the time I understood we were in a deadly situation until it was over was just a few seconds.
What I learned is you use that firearm because it's an emergency. And it's an emergency because everything is Out Of Control.
It was very dark. There was no time to activate a light. There was no time for shot placement like people preach. The muzzle flashes wiped out most of my vision anyway. Everything I did was pure muscle memory from years of training.
I would very humbly tell you to practice the very basics until it is as reflexive as blinking. Do it until it is instinctive as pushing the pedals driving. Do it until you get it right without thinking and do it some more. Because in an emergency when everything goes out of control the front of your brain is gonna be busy trying to sort out problems. Because you are submerged in a river of fast moving problems and if you stop to think about how to stop the threat you just gave that moment to the guy trying to kill you. And if you're the good guy you don't have any extra moments to spare.
I'm sorry you went through that and I hope you and your child is ok
We are glad your child and you are still here with us.
Thank you for sharing that with us. We all appreciate it! Hopefully, your child was about to deal with that trauma in their lives. It's hard enough for an adult to process the aftermath. But you demonstrated a love and devotion to your child.
I’m sorry you had to go through that trauma, but glad you and your child survived it. Well done.
Did you have uscca or something similar?
I’m not surprised this presentation got you kicked off, UA-cam has become a joke. Why would anyone want real life advise on how to respond to a real life deadly encounter? My experiences, albeit them dated now, bear out the dynamic nature of a deadly encounter along w/how to stay alive when dealing w/someone trying to kill you. Stay safe Howard . . .
The benefit of competitions like IDPA is you are practicing drawing and moving under pressure. Getting your gun into the fight under pressure is a CRITICAL step.
I have to agree with you, and if you do have to use You're a firearm, keep your head on a swivel.
Absolutely honest appraisal of tactical context.
Indeed, situational awareness is the most important thing to learn. Not being there is the best defense. At my age I practice natural point of aim. I don't need to find the sights or a little red dot. This is very effective for me. A get off me technique is something to learn as well. If you have an automatic you can't not press the firearm against the attacker it will fail. Lastly learn to deal with the adrenaline that will be coarsing through your body. Thank you Howard, great video... and it's monetized! Woohoo!
Agreed. The reality is that all one can do is practice to be as good as one can be with a firearm. But every self defense situation is completely different, and unpredictable. Seeing the situation coming, and trying to avoid the conflict is the best tactic you can have.
A lot of people train like they will have a perfect stance and grip when the moment of truth comes. The ideal conditions seldom happen. As defenders we are forced to react to the threats who have planned the assault (we have seconds to react).
will it be one armed guy, two or three? Do they have pistols, full auto rifles? Will you be trapped in a car? Have good cover? Etc.
So many variables that could potentially affect your ability to defend your life (no matter how skilled you are).
A cop where I lived was brutally murdered as he chased down a few thugs on bikes, he was met with full auto AK-47 fire as he entered their neighborhood with his car. He had no chance to pull his pistol out, or even get out of his car.
We have all seen videos of armed robbers coming in 3s and 4s. Train, but always be aware of your surroundings, do not put yourself in compromising situations, avoid late night trips to the gas station etc.
when you are being fired at the "competition mode" doesn't work. Great video semper fi
"when you are being fired at the "competition mode" doesn't work"
Depends on the competitions in which you have competed.
Semper Fi! and thanks.
I see that you got the HACKSAW that I snuck in to you.
Thanks buddy!
I've watched countless videos on this topic, but yours stands out from the rest in the most extraordinary way. Your passion and genuine desire to help others shine through, making this video a true gem. Your explanations are clear and concise, and I appreciate the practical tips and actionable advice you've shared. I've already started implementing some of your suggestions, and I'm already seeing positive changes in my life. Thank you for creating content that truly makes a difference!
My pleasure Victor. Thanks for watching!
In one school of thought , the spare magazine is crucial to Eliminate diagnosis and troubleshooting in dealing with malfunctions .
Semiauto doesn't go bang when supposed to . Automatic default response :
Manually strip out magazine
Forcefully rack slide several times.
Insert spare mag , firmly pushing home .
Rack slide to chamber, and proceeded as situation requires.
It will cure virtually any problem not requiring a gunsmith , and zero time wasted running thru options and decision chains .
Great video and I totally agree, HR! To paraphrase a comment I left on another video, I do not feel under-prepared even when carrying my 8-round 380acp in a fanny pack, and I mean that genuinely. An employee at my local gun shop while I was recently there lifted his shirt showing a full-sized gun in an appendix holster as well as TWO spare mags on his belt, and he said "what if I get attacked by a gang of Kia Boys?" To which I immediately thought "what if that gang has head-to-toe homemade body-armor ala North Hollywood bank robbery? Its HAPPENED, hasnt it? So even you would be out-gunned."
Criminals are looking for EASY MARKS, they aren't looking for a high-noon showdown. As you said in this video, I'd bet in 98% of scenarios, simply brandishing a loaded gun and making clear you are prepared to kill will have any bad actors changing course in a hurry. People work themselves up with the what-ifs in my opinion. Frankly if theres a tactic/drill that should be considered, it would be point-shooting at inside of 10 yards without using any sort of sights, because (again, much to the chagrin of wanna-be John Wicks) that is almost certainly how it would go in real life.
Well done! Thank you for giving all of us an opportunity for a second look. 👍👍
Just when I THOUGHT You could NOt do a better video, YOU DID! You Sir are the REAL DEAL! IF You recall I saw You shooting an M1A Rifle. I commented on Your technique! YOU ARE A RIFLE SHOOTER and by default a MARINE. This was YOUR BEST VIDEO ever! I,m NOT surprised the COMMUNISTS on UA-cam PUNISHED YOU! That was HONEST "combat" advice! You and I could talk for Hours if NOT YEARS!
One of the first things I used to teach was find a position of cover.Standing out and having a quick draw contest is okay in a movie; however, when one has experienced the pain of a bullet entering ones body it is not sensation that one would want repeat. -Making sure that your weapon is functioning is something that should be done on a frequent basis, as young police officer we had a situation where a suspect was barricaded with a rifle. Fortunately the situation ended without gunfire. I went to qualify the next day and discovered my gun would not fire. I had been practicing with reloads and the primer had backed out of the pocket and was blocking the firing pin.
Excellent comments. Thank you. I observed that participation in some of the shooting "sports", and IDPA in particular, the number of competitors and number of rounds fired, I became acclimated and accustomed to the sounds of firearm discharges, which dulled my reaction, to shots being fired. I asked a notable, national shooting instructor and 5-gun IDPA Master, about this, and was told, well, if you're on-duty you would react differently. Which I thought was an incomplete response. Louis Awerback probably had one of the most advanced firearms training programs I'd ever seen, moving models and moving threats. He was a great teacher. Movement is paramount. It's dynamic and fluid. Again, my thanks!
Even without UA-cam you’ll still be standing.
It is one of the most important videos you have produced thus far. Everyone should watch this one twice. A situational video series based on this video, wouldn't just be educational, but very popular. Great job HR, you hit this one out of the park.
Or, I should say, I don't know anyone that wouldn't benefit from such a series..
Thank you!
Thanks, that is a subject that needs to be discussed and thought about. Stand on the range and imagine different scenarios. Have your shooting partners give you commands and challenge you. Shoot on multiple targets, back & forth. Do anything that you are allowed to do, safely, to change up the static range.
Chief, you checked off all the boxes and were spot on here! You said quite a bit in 18 minutes - hopefully many of your subscribers take heed! If more people could hit their intended target effectively, there would be a lot less need for extra spray & pray magazines.
Another reason to dump the "Red Dot Sight!" Emagine, deploying a sight of this configuration in the pouring rain! Or a smoke-filled area. The possible scenarios whereby a "Red Dot Sight" will let you down in a defensive situation are countless! Great Video!
Thank you..years ago ,I used to run and gun in the woods at my cousins farm.. stump shooting with my old mini 14 and Colt Revolver.. I learned a lot from them being ex military..35 years ago😢
Great PRACTICAL tutorial. Everyone could apply this advice, not just for shooting, but for almost any defensive situation.
I couldn't agree with you more! All such techniques need to be stress tested, at least under simulated force on force conditions.
Oftentimes friends of mine will scoff or say negative things regarding the fact that I carry a Taurus Judge loaded with 000 Buck for self defense. They always go into the question “what if” I’m in a drawn out gun battle? I’m glad to see you show reasonable arguments and statistically significant data to support that most gun fights are over in seconds.
Buckshot will end a gunfight quickly. There is a reason that LEOs use buckshot in shotguns.
I have never seen a positive review of the Judge. And that is out of many evaluations. But if you like it, and it works for you, more power to you!
This was a great video. I appreciate how realistic and informative it was as compared to so many of the other unrealistic, apocalyptic scenario videos that so many others put out.
I’ve heard about the practice of shooting while moving, I’ve even practiced it. But recently I heard something that made a great deal of sense. Either move OR shoot, don’t try to do both at the same time. You’ll do well at neither if you do them at once.
Great points you bring up HR!
I absolutely agree with your points. There are two things I train regularly, adapted from those "operator" techniques to what I think are more "real world defense" situations.
Firstly, I practice point shooting. Although I love red dots and have one on most of my pistols, I also know that the mental effect of putting a red dot on a pistol is that it makes you question your ability to aim and shoot quickly and fluidly at a subconscious level. That's why that guy probably stands there practicing his draw and aim so much. I think this is because you've taken a relatively easy to point-aim line on the top of your slide and plopped a lego block on it. In reality, we don't need that line at all (anyone who's watched horseback archers compete knows this is true). I think our brains hyper-focus on the tiny dot and finding it, which disconnects all the other systems our body has that can get that pistol aimed at what we want. The first few times I practiced this with a dot on the pistol were really anxiety filled, especially past 3-5 yards, but it gets better the more you practice. I work my way out to the 7-10 yard range. I've also found that I find the dot faster now than I did before.
Secondly, whether or not someone wants to carry a spare mag isn't a big deal. What I think IS is that so few people set up and practice malfunction clearing. I've watched a lot of body cam videos where cops produce malfunctions in the heat of the moment through a combination of bad (loose) grip, bad hand position on the grip, or incomplete grip. They then fumble to reload their pistol (which sometimes clears the jam) and by the time they've reloaded have calmed down enough to get a better grip on their gun. What I practice to prepare for this is failure drills with empty casings mixed into my ammo in the magazine (up to 1/3 of the magazine, and using empties from the pistol I'm practicing with). I've found that clearing malfunctions makes me a way worse shot during a failure drill on the head shot so I have to make sure I'm super focused when it happens. I'm sure that practice would come in useful in a stressful defensive situation. Anyway, those are my thoughts on what we civilians can best take away from the operator trainers out there.
I've seen several police videos where uniformed police officers accidently drop their magazines and have to grab a backup magazine. It happens soon after they leave their car and they start advancing.
What happens is that the mag release gets pushed at some point while the officer is sitting in the car, maybe when the gun is sandwiched between the center console and the officer's gunbelt. This disengages the magazine, which then becomes apparent when the officer exits the car or draws the gun, and the magazine falls out. Large or extended mag releases exacerbate the problem. When I worked, I was constantly (and neurotically) checking to make sure my mag was seated, and that my safety was off, especially since my duty gun had both a safety lever AND a magazine disconnect.
So do poor holsters.
A paddle magazine release is harder to bump inside a good holster
I agree. That’s part of what I like about the P-99.
Thanks for the info, got me thinking again and reevaluating the possible scenarios. 👍
Great info, thanks!
Howard, thank you for a most refreshing and honest assessment of reality! I have argued these same points over and over with people myself.
It seems people get really upset when you or anyone challenges the status quo hivemind that is the industry.
Once again, great job!
Good afternoon from Brazil. As we say here and in our football team, "a game is a game, training is training". It means that, the reality is very different from the shooting at the range.l
Third option, going to cover which is closer to the threat than further away
👍👍I appreciate the real world advice.
Pure gold. I agree 100%. Thank you for producing such relevant content. Semper Fi
Great video and I agree. Semper Fi, by the way ('76-'79 Hollywood Marine...:)). I am also a martial artist (4th degree black belt, Ed Parker Kenpo Karate.). Too many people over-estimate their abilities and under-estimate a bad guy's abilities. Even though I train with a firearm, I spend more time training physical techniques that can help me escape or use a minimum amount of force. I also train with edged weapons (Escrima). Nowadays with all the grapplers out there it's important to learn how to reduce the chances of being taken down and how to survive if you do wind up on the ground. I have worked armed and unarmed security and also worked in Mental Hospitals as an MHA (Mental Health Associate). I've learned to keep things simple and to try to keep my attitude under control. Keep up the great work.
Will do and Semper Fi!
Note to the two people who gave this video a thumbs-down... unless you tell everyone WHY, your action is pointless. hrfunk has always been very open to criticism and suggestion. Especially considering the nature of this particular video, your thumbs-down makes no sense at all. Say something instead!!
Agree with the standing still and shooting comments you made. I am confined to a square range, that does not allow drawing from a holster. I can practice the "getting off the X" (standing still) by taking a step to my left, and firing from the start of a compressed ready position, extending my arms for the shot(s) while taking the step. I am a right handed shooter. At home, while dry firing, I practice making good use of cover as well before dry firing.
Oh yeah one more thought, Napolean ONCE said "military plans last than a MINUTE when contact with the enemy happens!
An important conversation. “React to” drilling is a big part of being mindful.
Excellent presentation with lots of food for thought. I typically wear cargo shorts or pants so I carry a spare mag in the lowest pocket. My carry pistols are single stack.
Good for you brother. People just won’t expand their thinking
Static vs dynamic were the two words that came to mind for me as well. Rarely if ever are gunfights static and sterile. They are much more likely to be dynamic and messy. You are not going to be standing on your mark and waiting for your cue! You are going to be surprised, searching for cover, and assessing potential hostile vs. Innocent bystanders!
Good presentation of a good topic.
I totally agree with you, there is a huge difference between target shooting and self defense shooting.
You can learn from different shooting styles but have to understand your circumstances.
The way I grew up shooting handguns from the age of nine more than 6 decades ago.... we never actually 'target shot' per se friends would go out looking for or calling out targets.. 'see that clod over there?' kind of thing. unknown ranges often a running jack or a hand thrown bottle or can. hip shooting a snake or a close range can... this is the way I still shoot today... why? well... cause it is......fun..Does it translate to 'tacticool' sure why not. is it training... I don't know... don't care.. it translates to knowing my handguns and my skill level To me? That is all that matters. To me? it will serve in any situation I may encounter. Bad guys are way slower and way bigger than a rattler.
Great vid. I have opinions on all 3 subjects. 1 being the interface between the individuals eye plane to the lens of the handgun mounted red dot during the body's startle response, it is definitely overlooked and needs to be stress tested once the shooter has learned and practiced any gear/technique, which is rarely done in general. The 2nd being forward movement on a dangerous mammal/reptile is realistic to consider, though one is best served to use concealment to better be able to process whats happening, once decision is made to challenge or fire then it would most likely happen from concealment/cover and is best practice to stabilize yourself to shoot, eli dicken advanced and used a pillar to do this. And 3rd is also a great point, ive found carrying at least 1 additional magazine to be the bare minimum, as magazines can fail while the gun is holstered via either a baseplate failing or the magazine release being inadvertently activated during daily tasks, then you will at least have a replacement magazine, its basically a "free habit" to keep one with you, magazines do get lost and break whether its the one in the gun or the in the pouch, especially when transitioning from sitting to standing. Great video overall, sorry for the grief but its always important to stop and think about this stuff, keep it up.
Great video as always HR. The only thing I would add (Just my $.02) is there is no such thing as bad training, just better training. If all you can do and afford is drawing and dry firing your weapon in front of a mirror than do it as often as you can. When better time and opportunity come up take advantage of it. In any case train, train,and train again...
Another instance where advancing might be required is if you are in a tight space and advancing might get you to a larger space to evade an attacker. Another, not so pleasant scenario, is advancing in order to draw fire away from your family.
I certainly agree with your points in general. Good stuff.
I think you always need a plan in your head and my plan as ccw Holder is to find cover or concealment in a shooting situation. I hope that it never happens but if I have to testify in court I would like to say I retreated to cover but the bad guy advanced towards me and I defended Myself. I know that's not always possible but a plan is better than no plan.
"but if I have to testify in court I would like to say I retreated to cover but the bad guy advanced towards me and I defended Myself"
Irrelevant in court. If you are in court for your self-defense shooting, you have much bigger problems than if you advanced or retreated.
@@papimaximus95 Totality of circumstances. The court will see I was only defending myself not pushing a fight. As a ccw holder I have no right or requirement to protect others.
@@Sgtkode "The court will see I was only defending myself not pushing a fight. "
Your movement forward or backwards is NOT the standard in court and proves NOTHING. The #1 question you need to answer is WHY you shot. Again, if you are actually at trial, then the prosecutor/police were not impressed by your "why".
Great video, thank for doing it. I see these flaws in shooters who watch too many UA-cam commando videos, made by people who are just out to make a buck or sell a product. Many of these UA-cam commandos come from a perspective that is largely irrelevant to armed citizen self-defense. Others just took a lot of training classes, but have no experience. It's hard for the newbie to understand what is legitimate, and what is ridiculous.
All this is great advice, as usual. One scenario i can think of for needing a spare mag; youre moving in a dynamic situation, and you fumble around and drop the mag accidentally. Having a spare on your belt might save the day. Anyways i just like having 15 (or 30) extra rounds handy. Take Care.
I think you deserve a standing ovation for this one, Howard. As for getting kicked off youtube... yeah, too much common sense and advice based on experience... youtube HATES that!!!
Thank you!
Amen brother!!
I like this video. It is a good common sense topic that people should think about
I absolutely agree with you Chief.
I do prefer the ACSS reticle with the 250 MOA aiming circle. It is great for finding the dot quickly when engaging from weird positions and angles.
In terms of magazines, I prefer to carry two extras. For a couple of reasons.
1. The weight of the two spare magazines balances/offsets the pistol weight on the opposite side of the belt. Carries better for me that way.
2. I carry several different types of ammunition. HST for two leggeds. Hard cast for four leggeds and Bonded for Barrier Blind penetration.
As you said, most civilian actions typically last no longer than probably 2-3 seconds.
Folks, listen to what the Chief has said; he is correct.
I rarely carry a spare mag on my body. I do keep a couple of spares fully loaded in my edc bag. Odds are I'll never need them but when I travel, it gives me a piece of mind. In this state of the world, with growing uncertainty, I worry about being unable to get home in crisis. If anything, spare ammo and other things I keep I'm my bag for an emergency is worth having.
Crazy dynamics of gun fighting. Citizens break contact but police must continue until conclusion .
I have used iron sights for 30 years, so when I bought a Barretta APX that came with a red dot, I was excited to try it.
I am not sure if it was due to it being a very cheap red dot, but I found it super hard to find the red dot and get that first round off. (Likely it was my lack of exposure to it)
I opted to stick with irons and went to a Walther PDP-F
I may give it a try again one day, but if I do, I will buy a better model, and will dedicate multiple hours using it, to see if I can actually learn it.
I actually think for defense lengths at 5-7 yards, I find just pointing the barrel at the target and not even trying to use the sights, will still give me 6" to 7" groups at speed.
Very good common sense advice Ty Funk🔫
I've had the spare mag discussion with quite a few people and I've spent an awful lot of time on the range and training with lots of different magazine fed firearms over the years... and while I tend to agree with your assessment of how slim the probability is of it happening in a gunfight with properly cared for gear, the reality still stands that magazine-caused malfunctions 'are' relatively common among shooters. I would venture that nearly all serious shooters have experienced them at some point. Not all of those malfunctions are the result of poor maintenance or abuse - in fact I can say for me personally, that neither of those has been the case with any of the multiple different magazine-caused malfunctions I've had in various platforms over nearly 40 years of shooting. I'm pretty anal about how I care for my gear and how I replace wear parts like springs and followers. Over at the ASP channel, they like to talk about 'never' having seen this happen on video with an armed civilian (even though they 'do' have it happening on video to multiple different law enforcement officers). When we talk about probabilities, yes, as you said this is likely something that you may have happen on the range, but not in a self-defense shooting. That stands to reason given how much more time and how much more ammo is spent during training compared to civilian defensive shootings. All of that is my long winded way of saying, again just for me personally, I've personally experienced it enough times in a training environment and I've watched it happen with my own eyes on several occasions in videos of LE shootings, that it gives me enough concern of it happening when my life is on the line... so I 'always' carry a spare magazine. Great vid as always! Semper Fi!
Trouble with my connection so I saved it for later
They shut you off??? Well then they shut us all off
Great content. Marines have a rule: train like you fight. IDPA-style drills are a great warm up, but I don't feel like I have trained for a fight until I have go on to do some more kinesthetic / dynamic drills, e.g., drawing while moving back or to the side. Fights are messy affairs.
Have you actually shot an IDPA match? You draw, move and shoot dynamically on each stage.
@@papimaximus95 Oops! My bad. You are correct. I was THINKING straight up target shooting drills, with a narrow focus on a clean, fast draw as he described early in the video, but WROTE IDPA-style drills because I use IDPA-style targets. And no, I am not a competition shooter or I probably would not have made that mistake. Thanks for the course correction!
Common Sense Preparation:
Okay, I’m a Fudd, I’ve been shooting for 60+ years, I spent two decades in the military, and I have experienced exactly two occasions when lawful self defense was required. What has all this (and, actually, some other training and experiences) taught me?
1. Situational awareness and danger avoidance are paramount. Never unnecessarily place yourself (or other innocents) in a situation where criminal activity and attack is other than most unlikely. Yes, on the rarest of occasions, one may be required to leave his safe environs due to an emergency, but then he should be especially prepared (e.g., I’ll carry my Ruger SP-101 when I dash into my local supermarket at noon to buy a dozen eggs, but were I compelled to go to the inner city during “the wee small hours” to purchase an emergency prescription, I’d carry my 17+1 CZ 75B and an extra magazine).
2. Practice is essential, BUT this includes much more than only the “firearms system.” Does one evaluate his situation every time he enters a structure, every time he leaves his home, every time he departs his vehicle, every time he drives into a few-exits parking lot, and so forth? Simple PASSIVE defensive measures (for example, in public places sitting with your back to a wall, or not using the gasoline pump or the ATM at 0300, or parking in a well lit and close to the box office space for an evening movie or when returning home very late, driving a couple miles further to remain clear of sketchy areas) are wise.
3. Bizarre, very improbable scenarios may be worthy of some brief thought, but realistically they should not drive one’s defensive preparations. Yes, Islamic jihadists can strike targets near my home (on 11 September, I was walking from my Crystal City office to the Pentagon when AA-11 hit the Pentagon), and yes power grids can be disabled for several days, and yes anarchists can riot, severely injuring and killing innocents (think Portland) . . . BUT the probability of occurrence is small and, should calamities occur, one’s problems may well be far larger than legal smallarms defense alone. Instead, I concentrate on the likely defensive situations . . . the back door’s glass breaking at 0200, the loony tune ex-spouse or boyfriend confusing my home for one further down the street, the deranged individual randomly firing in a shopping mall or a church, the addict approach me as I walk toward the barber shop demanding my wallet, and so forth.
In sum, I plan and practice for “everyday life,” not for Martians landing in my neighborhood, or unconstrained nuclear war, or hundreds of armed, subversive, revolutionary malcontents deciding that my small, nice, suburban community will be their “Lexington and Concord.”
When the martians land, you'll be sorry!
@@hrfunk
Absolutely, but maybe they’ll be better than our current leadership?
The only catastrophic magazine failure I have seen off of the range was a base plate getting ripped off when someone was squeezing through a tight spot. The gun got hung up and dumped the plate, spring and all the rounds on the ground.
I’ve seen that type of thing more than once with different brands of handguns. It does not instill confidence.
Thanks
My pleasure.
I only have one Dot on a pistol and it makes me more accurate in a controlled environment but I struggle when practicing a draw from concealment and find the dot.
Excellent video!
Thank you!
Mostly agree. Spare mag? Clint Smith did recount, as a policeman, he was getting out of the car and his magazine bottom caught and all his rounds fell out. I’ve seen people who didn’t check their magazine being seated and they pulled the gun and the mag fell out, and I’ve had a holster (which I fixed) snag the mag button and dump the mag. Yes, absolutely you should check your weapon. Also? Magazine limited states. Sure, Most, not all gunfights don’t go 10 rounds.
Outstanding video sir
Thank you!
Common sense often has nothing to do with certain aspects of the concealed carry culture. When it becomes all about the hardware, the gear, and shooting fast, you might need to step back and look at practicality, general defensive living practices, and the legal environment in your community. Well thought out video HR.
Great commentary!
Thanks!
My mindset is to practice UN-shighted firing. I believe that in a close combat situation one is going to be fortunate just to get the handgun into the fight.
Very sound advice. I sold guns for almost 2 decades and can count a very small number of customers who thought like this. I always told customers to train, but train as if it were going to be very physical, dark, close, and sudden. I am blessed to have some property where I can shoot and I sometimes go out in the rain, or dark or snow, maybe run a sprint to a target, drop my gun in the snow to obliterate the red dot or flashlight, etc… trying to mix it up. I can teach almost anyone to hit a target at 10 yards when it's 70 degrees, sun at your back, calm day, etc. but: can you do it under high stress or when things go sideways? I recently saw a Clint Smith video where he said at times he would doubt his ability to take certain shots…. Very humbling….
"Mag dump" seems to be a new technique. I was trained to double-tap and plan for a third shot (I shoot the .45ACP). Mag dumping shows that the 9mm is a sub-par caliber for stopping power. Ventilating the perp seems to be the norm nowadays.
I keep asking who, specifically, is teaching that technique and noone seems to know.
I agree mostly with your assessment and in fact, that is why I gravitated towards MMA or Dynamic martial arts training. I look at most self defense training from a practical point of view. I do however, disagree with you about facing multiple attackers in a self defense situation. Since 2020 and the “summer of love” there has been a rise in group violence and boldness of criminals. The statistics of needing more than 6 rounds in a self defense situation I feel are based on old data. Even if this might apply to low crime areas, it is definitely different in the area of town I live in, especially with high gang activity. That being said, I like your approach.
Both Jack Wilson (White Settlement Church) and Eli Dicken (Greenwood Park Mall) engaged the active shooter from a significant distance with minimal forward movement.
so true! I watch another you tuber Active self protection that says the very same things.
Hello HR. Glad that you could still post this video after this mornings problems. Competition shooting is good for learning the basics. Bullseye taught me sight alignment and trigger control. IPSC, bowling pin matches,etc. helped with performing under pressure in different situations. But many techniques used in competition were not practical in the real world. I think Jeff Cooper's early matches were good. Here's the problem, you solve it, and see what works.
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Hmm, I'm going to say no, but I'll be darned if I can think of s snazzy new acronym.
"But many techniques used in competition were not practical in the real world."
Of course they are practical. You draw, move and shoot on demand varying targets at varying distances under the constraint of time/peer pressure and your hits/time are measured. What is not practical about that?
@@papimaximus95 Shooting from behind a barricade and reloading in the open while moving to the next position to save time. Power factor and equipment rules changed to benefit sponsored shooters and gamers. Didn't IDPA get started because IPSC was considered no longer "practical"?
@@johnherr3579 Do not confuse gamesmanship with the actual shooting defensive skills required in competitive shooting.
@@papimaximus95 In my original comment I did say that competition was good for learning skills. But you have to separate the wheat from the chaff. I looked on competing as training. But at bigger matches,if you wanted to place your had to play to play the game. A custom comp gun with a 2 pound trigger set up for a specific target load and carried in a race holster isn't seen too often on the streets. The advances in competition guns have benefited defensive shooters. Carry guns with red dot sights and ported barrels and slides evolved from those custom race guns.
Many forget that in context police, military and a private citizen is vastly different in defense situations with rare exceptions to the rule, a private citizen only needs to defend, take cover or extract themselves where as police and military have to chase that person, cuff or capture them wich could mean additional gun fights needing more resources then just a private citizen who wants to break contact, a defending citizen statistically the gun fight is over in 3 seconds with bad guys running away from just seeing the gun or first shot fired meaning running out of time before your mag capacity can be used, happens so fast, this is why caliber or capacity isnt a big of deal as we make of it, with a private citizen because things happen so fast bad guys dont know or care if you have a 22 pistol, things happen so fast they are not knowing that maybe you just have a 5 shot revolver and they are not intersted in counting shots when a citizen is shooting at them, in almost all incidences incapacitation wasnt necessary to stop a threat because what stopped the threat was them knowing a citizen is fighting back, they simply run, its a miracle but even if you dont train or hardly shoot your gun you still win the gun fight with the attempt to defend your self sending bad guys running not caring you never practice or go to range. also this over emphasis on gel like penetration and expansion, no bad guy i ever did hear about carried a tape measure to measure his wound after you shot him saying "hey its only 10 inches" so we forget that gel blocks dont feel pain, dont have fear and dont run away not wanting to be shot as humans would. we still need to train with cover because almost all incidences have had some had form of hard cover that could have been used rather then getting your self shot out in the open, a fireman in chicago won a gun fight with 3 guys using his revolver untill he decided to chase and got hit by one one guy with gun tryimg to run away, the instinct of chase is in all of us to want to go get bad guys rather then hold possition and defend or extract your self out of a gun fight rather then intentionally persuing one, so he made them run but making the mistake of a chase that was unnesessary, most private citizens survive their gun fights but if you have cover and they jump in car trying to leave or run away dont give up that tactical advantage of staying and defending rather then exposing your self out in the open
Wyatt Earp claims to that method in his book on gun fighting .. I agree most of normal ppl will be diving for cover then getting a gun ..so maybe by doing the reps you will be fast and deliberate.. The book on gun fighting talks a lot about this so I don't think either sides wrong
Great content ! some of my comments were erased and I didn’t even use profanity !I guess the robots got me again !
Those darn robots!
@@hrfunk I said something about a guy who uses a lot of hair gel from California and something about an event that happens every fow years and how big tech is influencing channels and they rang my bell like I was on the gong show!
Another vid with excellent professional info. See Bruce Lee vs Chuck Norris in the fight in the Roman Coliseum. Chuck's programmed Shotokan techniques didn't work out.
SCCA racer's mantra: If anything can go wrong it will.
Excellent content. Modern LEO training fails miserably in this aspect, doing most shooting from fixed firing points with shooters aligned, They'll maybe give a nod to "moving offline" before drawing or reloading, but that half step one can take without crowding their neighbor is basically worthless. It would be far more valuable, but time consuming, to have far fewer shooters on the line and move them dynamically. Like everything else this costs more money and time, and without a lawsuit to make it a requirement LEO training will continue to lag far behind what it could, and should, be. Thanks for posting this, it's real world and accurate info.
Excellent video with a great explanation of how such situations tend to go. I must say, I can't understand why YT would find this video 'offensive' in any way. After all, what you advocate for here is to produce the least possible harm to anyone. Or is it just the mere topic of firearms they find problematic? I don't get it. Anyway, great video, as always. Cheers!
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What firearm is that, HR? You have a great channel. Thank you.
It’s my Masada 9S.
Tell U Tube to go fly a kite. RUMBLE ls ready when you are. A fire arms friendly place.
UA-cam can go pound sand.
One case in which an armed citizen might need to advance on the threat is if the attacker is holding a loved one.
My thinking on carrying spare magazines is "why not?" It's true that the likelihood that I'll be in an incident requiring a firearm is low, and examples in which I need to change magazines are the low of the low, but they're easy to have with me.
Just out of curiosity, but why did UA-cam take offense to this? This is a very well thought out and thought provoking video.
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With respect to spare magazines, ideally we would discover issues on the range. But in an ideal world the only shooting we would ever do is recreational.
That said, the one hiccup my M&P 40 has presented was a click - no bang. With my carry ammo, since I had decided it was time to cycle out old stuff. It was the second round in the mag. I did a tap/rack and gun powder flew everywhere. Further investigation uncovered a squib lodged in the barrel just ahead of the chamber.
No amount of spare mags is a cure for that scenario. The only quick cures I could think of are surrender and having a second firearm at the ready. But there sure are diminishing returns on how much crud you can carry and only so many scenarios one can reasonably be preoared for. It sure is an interesting conundrum.
You easily vet your magazines and ammo if you shoot competitions like IDPA.
I feel like we need more force on force airsoft training classes. Similar to sparring, but also very dynamic and randomized so you're not ALWAYS expecting confrontation.
I've participated and conducted that sort of training for years. It can be an invaluable training aid. It does, however, have some pitfalls. In short, the instructor(s) make or break it.
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Hello my man I enjoy your content there is a lot I think people don't understand and that is response in an actual event, reaction how are you going to react... I think I know that's why a lot of innocent people are harmed, the ones that has the firearms and panic in the moment the trigger is constantly being pulled, fear... an individuals worst enemy trouble is on the horizon weather its with the law or self well being... The bottom line is overall awareness, vision and control!!! Oh, one question... How did you come up with HRFUNK?😎
A lot of time and thought went into that name. I took surveys, and studied data from focus groups. Ok, none of that is true. It’s my first and middle initial along with my last name.
@@hrfunk Oh, okay bruh...Kool. 😎
1. I don't know why so many disparage competition shooting in the defensive context. Competitive shooting isn't a gun fight (thankfully), but it is using a gun, under stress, to solve a variety of problems. Those who compete shoot many more rounds a year than the average recreational shooter. I shoot about 12,000 rounds a year in practice and competition, and I'm not even that into it. All that practice hasn't made me a worse shot, and shooting under these conditions does provide a limited amount of stress inoculation.
2. You're right.
3. You're right again.
I think the competition mindset has displaced the tactical bro mindset that has beat us over the head for the past decade, and just like the latter it gets taken to extremes as the "answer" to all problems.
Just to clarify, I was not disparaging competitive shooting.
The only reloads I've ever carried were New York reloads.
Once again I have little of value to say. So I'll just ramble for a bit. Many of the videos I see have the target in the same place at the same distance every time they practice. And gun reviews don't count in this scenario. A few years of that and it isn't hard to hit it anymore.
I'm a big fan of Point of Aim. Have a look at HR's hand on his gun. His trigger finger is aligned with the barrel. The barrel becomes an extension of his finger. With that in mind Point of Aim is easier for me and my Wifey.
My first shots at the range is no warm up and draw. Full mag drop. I line up the iron sights as fast as I can and shoot. My goal is to hit the vitals area. I'll have 4 of the 7 in a good spot. Sometimes I'll just do a double tap and wait a second or so and double tap again. I don't carry high capacity guns so I try not to waste a shot along with a lawyer being attached to each round.
I like this video. I liked the banned one too even though it getting removed Really pissed me off.
Take care.
I've seen a lot of drills that I would call Globetrotter drills. Things that look really fast and flashy, but in a real world situation wouldn't be the best thing to do, IE squaring up on a target and quick drawing, having your back to a target and quickly drawing and shooting behind you, just makes no sense. If youre really are in a fire fight, you're going to want to draw your weapon from cover while you asses the situation. Similarly, reloading drills. If you're in an active firefight, you're not going to drop your Meg and reload there statically. You're going to get behind cover while you reload, which I don't see anyone ever doing. Now I have no real world experience in this, but to me it just makes common sense. If I hear gunshots and I have my family, I'm getting my family to safety while I assess the situation, prepping access to my firearm. Thats just my 2 civi cents.