How a Single Swedish Submarine Defeated the US Navy
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US Navy: We have a fine Naval tradition.
Sweden: We've put Vikings in a submarine.
@me me they are Scandinavian
@@vishifish9934 They're dicks.
@me me horses are animals
@@wyldeyouth And I am wesle
zunderdog24 let me guess, British?
"in warfare this isn't a sound strategy"
Well technically, as it's sonar, it is.
wish i could like this twice.
Took me a minute.
Imagine the word "sound" in Dan's comment being italicized. Brilliant.
@@Tirocoa Same here...
it ultrasounds good.
This sub holds its "farts" for 2 weeks to stalk an enemy. That's dedication.
Jag ser vad du gjorde där
@@Nxtn Jeg ser hvad du gjorde der
@Anessen I-It was a joke man
awesome awesome .
that was a nice joke.
Ofcourse we swedes finish our tasks with our minds instead of might
Small fun fact, the German navy had done the same. During an exercise with a US fleet, the German diesel submarine U-24 of the 206 class was only assigned a scouting role. The captain of the submarine felt insulted and thought that the americans would underestimate the capabilities of a diesel submarine, and decided to cross the "insurmountable" defense ring of the escort ships, fired a simulated torpedo fan at the carrier USS Enterprise, made a photo of the Enterprise through the scope and emerged right next to the Enterprise. Imagine how embarrassing it must have been to the captain of the Enterprise to have explained this to his superiors.
Captains log..we..have...been.....sunk
Well, we Germans got a long tradition of annoying the US with submarines
Questions of the day do depth charges still work on modern subs ??
The carrier captain would have been fine. The captains commanding his ASW (Anti-Submarine Warfare) screen, though, would have had some explaining to do.
@@kettch777 You can't really blame him for that, modern German diesel submarines are well known to be extremely difficult to track down anyway.
"I'm about to end this man's whole carrier"
Ha I get the joke
SpaceKraken underrated comment
nice.
Haha, an original twist on a joke which can't pull the pastry off a pie. Well done.
Ha!
US: *builds a 6.2bn carrier with a taskforce to follow it*
*GETS SUNK BY SOME GUY NAMED BJORK*
Yeah, that's why carriers nowadays are surrounded by destroyers to screen for any submarines.
And really, in order to sink a carrier you have to find it first. Good luck doing that in miles and miles of open ocean.
Not even carriers with their scout planes were able to efficiently do that.
In fact, you could even google where the US carriers are. worldview.stratfor.com/article/us-naval-update-map-may-30-2019 It's impossible to hide a task force of that size and the US doesn't even try because that's not the objective. Carriers are not supposed to be stealthy, there are supposed to be mobile airbases with more firepower than some countries combined. They are supposed to be "invincible" without dependence on stealth, hence why it's worrisome for them to have a sub virtually manage torpedo shots. Make no mistake, one of the best weapons on earth is a US carrier not too many things can compare.
@@anonypersona3189 Keep in mind that the incident happened 14 years ago. USN has shifted doctrine ever so slightly in the intervening time to accommodate this. Specifically, the Virginia class attack submarine. It is explicitly designed to find and intercept other submarines, in addition to hunting down surface vessels. Obviously, operational deployment parameters are going to be classified, but I'd be shocked if every carrier group didn't have at least one or two looking after them beneath the waves by now.
Lmao
Recently a chinese sub near the us carriers undetected until the subs showed up to tell us we are here hehe
Sailor "Sir sonar conntact!!! Bearing 345..they... They are playing ABBA??"
Captain: "Dear God... All hands abandon ship....
The rivalry between submarines and surface ships is more accurately known as subs vs targets
subs vs pre submarine ships*
Nahhhhh the subs worst enemy are destroyers with depth charges ... this is a true nightmare for any sub to be hunted down.. also the destroyer can sail much much faster than a submerged sub,.
@@lassekristensen385 depth charges are history.
supercavitation torpedoes and VLS anti-sub missiles are where it's at.
@@randominternetguy88 Okey interesting! I havent followed much in naval / sub tech since WW2. . . But im gonna look a little more into what you mentioned...
This is in the same venue as the old adage "Military engineers build and deploy weapons, civilian engineers build targets" -Unknown
And the great thing is that the whole submarine comes in a flat pack and can be put together with a single Allen key!
Robert Muller Which we also include in the package.
LOLLLL good one
#KSP
Easier than furniture from IKEA
Dr. Crentist I'm from Sweden. We are born with the ability to build IKEA furniture in our sleep.
And the sonar tech heard faint sounds of Abba playing over his headphones.
Nice
I guess they heard the faint sounds of Sabaton "Primo Victoria"
He was dancing to it instead of reporting it
Han vet vår hemlighet
Fan
Yup waterloo playing just before torpidos were launched
The swedes always surprise me with their ingenuity and creativeness
Ya because they don't have boring schools like ours
@@zackcarl7861 actually we do the only difference is that were free and almost no limits and have fun..
@@Mc_Anodyne we’ll see how long that will hold..
yeah... i remember being so surprised at each big minecraft update back in the day too.
@ Zack Carl, yeah! They have good programs in education. Here in the US, middle schoolers eat Tide Pods. Then to get to college, you need to survive mass shooting in high school. After college, you need to work your butt out 10 to 15 years to pay your student loan. When you retire, the government will still try so hard to get its hand on your pension.
I’ve been in one Gotland class and seen the motor. As a tall guy I can say that the room for me was more than good. They have the motor underneath protection plates so people can’t just enter and take pictures. We were lucky, they were doing maintenance so the hatches were not mounted and we could see this beautiful motor
USA: sweden can we borrow your high tech sub so we can learn how to destroy it?
Sweden: Yeah sure!
We're the Canadians of Europe :D
LOL
They have new ones in production now. These are old tech.
Its...good actually. Upgraded diesel tech defeat nuclear tech. Then the US will try to come up with method or tech to defeat the Swedes. Later the Swedes or someone else will try to come up with method or tech to defeat the upgraded US ships. Thats how, I think, European nations advances itself through the medieval ages faster than the Middle East n the East, through military conflict n competition without destroying themselves.
Furthermore, competition in stable n peaceful (relatively speaking) environment will, hopefully, further advance various discovery. Hopefully, these discoveries will reach civilian level and thus make the overall technology enjoyed by the population increase.
USA: Go ahead sink one so we can destroy your whole nation. We'll trade a single Carrier for your Country.
6.2 billion dollar aircraft carrier vs 1 buildable Ikea submarine
I'll mark it on your map
Astuteous Maximus your hit zone stuff is irrelevant as the submarine went out to attack the ships. And the only traget the sub would be able to give is the moment of releasing torps, do you know how long it takes to do so? Seconds. How long do the ships need to get to combat station? Longer. And BTW detection won’t work like you explained because of the fucking fleet above.
Astuteous Maximus it’s a joke
@@spearmintflavoured1546 i agre with u
@Preston Garvey Preston is the most annoying npc in fallout4
Swedish sub: Gotcha!
US Ship: But, but,... I wasn't ready!
LOL. NO...just no. I am a submariner and have been part of these operations many times. When we(the US Navy) engages in friendly war games/ops with ally/friendly nations, especially their submarine forces, we significantly hamper our own capabilities, our own operating parameters, our own tools/tactics/techniques we will use. This is well known and well understood by anyone with even an ounce of experience in these matters. If we did not, our allies would almost never have a chance to execute a successful attack our our craft. We used to do, and still do on some occasions, and "even" fight you might call it, and it is never even close. The only way this sort of thing ever happens with ally navy ops, especially countries like Sweden, is when we basically tie our hands behind our backs for the the exercise.
US drops the Bomb
Japan: Nani?!
@@youarepredictable you have a copy paste problem
@@youarepredictable what's even the point of a military exercise if you don't even simulate an actual fight; by your account anyway. Wasting taxpayer dollars?
@@zippyparakeet1074 he's probably not a real submariner
When I was in the Navy during the Cuban missile Crisis in a NATO exercise , The Skipjack which was one of the first if not the first nuclear sub., sank every single ship in the US 6th fleet. I was a watch section leader in CIC and listened on a radio speaker. Bumper this is Skipjack, you've just been sunk. It sunk three aircraft carriers too. The Roosevelt, The Saratoga and The Forrestal.
Us: “invests a mountain of unpaid debt money on a $6.2 Billion Carrier”
Swedes: *haha ship go boom boom*
wouldnt that be glub glub ...
So unfortunately true. We dump trillions into ships which can still be taken out with weapons costing only thousands. Have you noticed that Russia has almost no carrier force and few large warships? It's because they know that in a major conflict all the warships at sea will be immediately sunk on both sides. No point in wasting your money like that. One guided missile frigate of today can do what every battleship ever built put together cannot do. One day we'll learn what the UK did with the Hood: big warships are just expensive showpieces that can't win wars for you, and they all can be sunk.
@Troll uNeed bruh , either English is your tenth language or auto correct fucked you over , I could barely understand your comment.
@kirk mcloren More like 3 minutes now with today's technology.
Aimad Tareksson same didn’t understand a single sentence
1:28 "in warfare, this isn't a sound strategy."
I see what you did there..
Lol
I used 5 mins of thinking why that was not a "good" Idea. then I lisened once more and heard "sound". I deadass have never heard a so dry joke in naval warfare
I thought the phrasing was a bit odd here. I missed it, though! :D:D
Loses war games due to too much PING.
everybody gangsta til' the water starts speaking swedish
Lol can you imagine the sub was like “ Eh, we got here already might aswell fire. “..
What wins: the world's strongest navy
Or: one sneaky boi
Elijah Robbins, da boi wins
Elijah Robbins
Imagine the psychological blow to the a country like the US if a war breaks out and lucky sneaky kilo sinks a supercarrrier?
It just dawned on me how vulnerable assets carriers are!
If I were secretary of the US Navy I would heavily invest in ASW capabilities to counter it
Novo Eduardo AC wat? you cant just throw the navy away because of that sub ! and after that carrier would be sunked the sub would be dead anyway YOU CANNOT HIT 1 TORPEDO AND 2 AND 3 AND NOT DIE
Obviously Sweden can, since that is exactly what this Gotland-sub did. It premfomed multiple attack runs and then dissapered, without ever being detected by the US navy protecting the carrier.
@@Pansarglas while true um the us has 16 super carriers and if this happens Sweden would be dead as this would be war and the swedish military has no chance if it happened today that is byt it wouldn't
Sweden : Check out my new sub
US Navy : lol
Sweden. : skrattar du förlorar du
*boom*
😂
Abhay Bhardwaj lol
AAAAAAÖÖÖÖÖAAAÄÄÅÅ
Det är sant PEWDIEPIE
good meme
omae wa mou shindeiru
NANII??
*Boom*
1:27 -- "...but in warfare, this isn't a sound strategy..."
Isn't that literally what it is, though? >.>
Bruh
Literally 😂
It's still very dumb to go active
bruh :)
Yeah the field exercise was literally conducted without access to active sonar systems, I have no clue why real engineering did not mention this as while subs do not use sonar to avoid detection, carrier strike groups absolutely do. The US military as a whole tends to stack to deck in the other team's favor in war games to find vulnerabilities that would not necessarily fully exist in a maritime war scenario but, could if say sonar was down by some miracle on give or take 30 ships
That was a smooth-ass transition to the sponsor.
This is why we have war games, to practice and find weaknesses in each other’s military. This was more of a success than anything.
No war games are for usa to scan if another ally have something better than them*
its also to make US sailors jealous that UK and French sailors can get hammered while the ship is underway.
there was a incident in one of these games back in 09 where in a drunken brawl started on a British carrier that caused some pretty expensive damage. as punishment they were not allowed to drink for a month on board said ship.
The joke was that the punishment was that Her Majesty leased the ship to he US for a month. Dark days indeed.
That's the right spirit 👍
Although it has to be said that they didn't really find a weakness in their military since pretty much every European sub is apparently quite capable of running circles around the US navy so that's just another one on the list.
And I'm not only talking about modern Swedish and German non nuclear subs, that list also includes an older French nuclear subs and the first cases of the US loosing against other countries subs in wargames go back to at least 1981.
I think the more interesting question is how well other navies can deal with those subs and if it is an US specific or a general problem
This was a triumph
I'm making a note here:
Huge success
It's hard to overstate
My satisfaction
Aperture Science...
Games have balancing
The Swedes don't have trillion-dollar defense budgets to squander, so they do things in a smart and cost-effective way.
See also: Saab aircraft. They've done some really clever stuff with systems integration to massively lower the forecast upgrade costs, while still being competitive. The Swedes punch well above their weight
They got good equipment but can’t fight a big war if necessary because of very small army. Swedes should have sticked with conscription.
@@Lagmaster33 we have conscription now again, it started last year.
Lets not forget that one anti air gun m247 Sergeant York. It had a radar system to track helicopers. Well when it was shown off, it aimed at the public observing it as a potential threat. Result; stories were made that robots will kill humans!
Or do like norway make a 4.2b boat And crash it into a container boat by accident
An Australian Collins class sub did something similar during exercises around the Hawaiian Islands. The Collins class coincidentally was a Swedish design.
yes and in that exercise the Americans even cheated and still 'lost.' Their ships and an Australian sub were supposed to play a game of 'cat and mouse' as it were and the Americans were supposed to turn off their sonar systems for a while to let the Australian submarine disappear, but they didn't. Rankin (the Aussie sub) still managed to evade them, disappear and then took photographs of their destroyer within torpedo range, undetected.
LOL. NO...just no. I am a submariner and have been part of these operations many times. When we(the US Navy) engages in friendly war games/ops with ally/friendly nations, especially their submarine forces, we significantly hamper our own capabilities, our own operating parameters, our own tools/tactics/techniques we will use. This is well known and well understood by anyone with even an ounce of experience in these matters. If we did not, our allies would almost never have a chance to execute a successful attack our our craft. We used to do, and still do on some occasions, and "even" fight you might call it, and it is never even close. The only way this sort of thing ever happens with ally navy ops, especially countries like Sweden, is when we basically tie our hands behind our backs for the the exercise. On an especially personal note, I was in the Hawaiian ops area and took part in these exercises and all the same stuff applies. Sorry.
@@youarepredictable lol Stop commenting the same thing by changing the name of the places. Get a life lol.
@@Alan_is_here I didn't change any place names of importance to the story. You get a life first, bud.
@@youarepredictable bullshit , every one is fallible , including the US navy and it is not the first time that a US carrier was taken out in war games by a inferior rated force.
The kiwis took out the Midway in 81 in operation sand groper 81 off Western Australia and 420 sailors went hammer and tong at each other over the incident. ,in Pinocchio's disco in Perth and wrecked the place
112 taxis were called , i know , because i was there.
Virgin US carrier vs Chad IKEA submarine
who would win? the entire US navy,
**or one diving boi**
Hookseye tha fucking diving boi! And hehe i’m Swedish so yeah... ima end this mans whole career!
@@LNZT hey olofmeister
I was looking for this comment XD
Missed opportunity to call it 'One underwater meatball'. 2/10
My bet on diving boi
US: we have powerful sonar, we can detect anything
Sweden submarine: *Crouch*
US: where did that submarine go? Welp, back to work
*must've been the wind*
Hmm them darn villagers again
Dumb
Lame joke
nah, the sub was just hiding in a box
The Australian Navy also 'sunk' a US carrier during Rimpac exercises off Hawaii with HMAS Rankin, a diesel/electric Colins class sub, which is an Aussie built enlarged Swedish Västergötland class sub.
They did not sink a carrier they succeeded in the game that was being played. Too many people are far too naive when it comes to all of this.
A single sub carrying out a sneak attack cannot sink a carrier that easily. The moment the sub fires it gives its position away and the ocean would become saturated with anti submarine warfare measures.
The Germans had 1200 submarines active in WW2 and not even they could take out the US navy.
@Stormwern
Ok Pauline. 😂
@bighands69
Of course they didn't really sink it, how stupid do you think I am?
But a 6 round spread of Mk48 Adcaps would obliterate a carrier.
If it's made of metal I assure you it can sink.
Subscribed after a friend's recommendation, "I can't be arsed," made me stay.
Sweden: *I'm gonna do what's called a Pro Gamer Move.*
USA: *You weren't supposed to do that.*
LOL. NO...just no. I am a submariner and have been part of these operations many times. When we(the US Navy) engages in friendly war games/ops with ally/friendly nations, especially their submarine forces, we significantly hamper our own capabilities, our own operating parameters, our own tools/tactics/techniques we will use. This is well known and well understood by anyone with even an ounce of experience in these matters. If we did not, our allies would almost never have a chance to execute a successful attack our our craft. We used to do, and still do on some occasions, and "even" fight you might call it, and it is never even close. The only way this sort of thing ever happens with ally navy ops, especially countries like Sweden, is when we basically tie our hands behind our backs for the the exercise.
@@youarepredictable But we don't know if the Swedes did that either.
@@youarepredictable whatever makes you feel better
@@murphy7801 thanks...accuracy in all matters and the facts DO make me feel better. Wish you felt the same.....along with SO many others here that have zero knowledge or experience.in this subject. You know....people like YOU. But like most people on here, that won't stop you from offering your half baked bullshit opinions based on less than zero knowledge. You know this to be true, but it hurts to acknowledge, so I'm sure you'll be back with a "yeah...but...." sigh.....
@@youarepredictable that's why you copy pasted it onto almost every comment. That definitely says I'm not insecure
US Defence Industry: "How will we ever convince congress to shovel even more money into our bloated military?"
*War games with Sweden*
time for more, we've made 2 newer generation subs ;)
I mean you're not wrong, kinda doesn't make sense not to if your military tech is obsolete unless you want to be defeated on the battlefield.
yep, the pentagon can't get enough of it
its a computer simulation
@@memeboi6017 I dont think so
I've known about the Stirling engine for a decade now and your animation finally cleared it for me how it works. The heat exchanger was missing from my mental blueprint
Same thing was done by the Australian navy decades ago. Diesel subs are always quieter than nuclear subs. That's why a US carrier fleet need to be so vigilant and includes so many layers of defense nowadays
Who would win?
The worlds largest and most advanced aircraft carrier
Or
One long metal boi
William the butchers son productions
One IKEA boi
One long CHEAP metal boi
One long Ikea boi
William the butchers son productions ahhahaha thanks👌👌
Surface ships are only really good at projecting strength and in cases like the carrier, to provide support around the globe. Subs are made to be hunter killers.
The Swedish submarine has sneak 100
Nah, only 99 cuz of swedish meatball farts
*see's numder of likes in comment is 69*
Im sorry little one
After sinking the carrier.
The rest of the fleet: Probably just the wind.
Further proof that chameleon 100% is broken and the devs need to patch this reality before the next major story arc.
@@Leofred2000 no its 98 they make noise when opening a new toblerone pack
Ah, the so-old-its-actually-awesome effect. Kinda like the Swordfish torpedo bombers (which were so outdated that AAA shells didn't detect when they hit them).
Correction.
The shells overpenetrated the fabric coverings of the biplane.
@@nuclearwarhead9338, same difference.
And didn't they fly too low to the water and the guns on the ships couldn't swivel down that low to fire back at them?
Swedish before: I kill men on tree
Swedish now: we kill underwater while the enemy has 0 idea we are here
Talking about sonar: "not a sound strategy". gg.
DrearyPlane8 probably was a pun but the word 'sound' is overused in this context and many others in Ireland, compared to other anglosphere nations.
if you listened to him he explained active using a loud ping is detectable..
Sound=Good in Ireland
who would win?
A *billion* dollar *aircraft carrier*
or *one swedey boi*
Depends on how many Japanese carriers arrived in a dark alley demanding the Swedey boi's girlfriend.
@@tipi5586 Y-YAMEROOO TEMEE...!!!
🇸🇪
Skrattar duuu forlar du maneeeeeeeeeeen!
@Pew die lie nie r/whoooosh
This is how smart is a country without boring schools.
Now we are learning millitary tech. Hell yeah!
I once heard an admiral say “if there’s going to be another world war, there’ll be two types of ships: submarines and sunk”
Submarines and suddenly involuntarily refitted submarines
@@ruthswann88 even better, those refitted subs dont even have to resurface for air!
Submarines can also sink once their control is gone 🤦♂
It must be donitz lol
thats funny
While the Stirling engine you concentrate on is remarkable, there are other things that added to the stealth - the propellers, the silent compressors for the exhaust pressure tanks, the hydrodynamic shape of the sub, and others.
tommy14 the props are stolen from the dutch
Swedish submarine: Omae wa mou shindeiru?
American : we are the strongest navy in the world
Sweden: wake up the Vikings.
its time '
USA: We have the most expensive navy ever!
Sweden: We just switched from wooden viking boats to silend metal viking boats.
USA: Fk off Björn
Excuse me?
Doesnt björn just mean bear?
perc Björn means bear but is also a scandinavian name.
Firstly Finland Sweden is better than Russia and US, Finland created the molotov, and we they also won again Russia. And no we did not go from viking to marine, and björn does not simply mean bear, it does but it also is a name, just as björk, not as some calls it bjork, it means birch, like birch tree.
@@appleskum6520 r/woosh
I remember when I was in the Navy (my ships job was anti sub warfare, we tracked subs) and one morning I was just killing time looking out at the water passing by, when a suddenly a periscope popped up. Hilarious. I think we failed that day.
Jason Bone STG?
Jason Bone so you never Found out What it was?
D D Seems legit
Well not every military personnel is a hero then. Every military guy/girl has the audacity to tell every civilian that they fight for our freedom. I tell them they don't fight they do it for a paycheck. Of course there are those real heroes.
+Jason Bone Dutch subs used to do that with Russian ships during the Cold War. The subs were known to be one fo the most silent of the western world and they used to pop out the periscope mere metres next to Soviet warships to spy on them. Subs are pretty damn sneaky if operated right
Former US submariner here. The Swedes do not have submarines that we are worried about. The Russian submarines are formidable because they're quiet, powerful, AND have a huge range. The Chinese nuclear subs are nothing special, but their diesel subs are essentially silent when on battery power - and unlike the Swedes, we have a meaningful reason to go within Chinese waters.
But honestly, it boils down to the fact that our anti-submarine air forces and our submarines would hunt down and destroy Sweden's submarines long before our surface fleet would be threatened.
Well you dont need to worry about Sweden since our corrupt leaders working for you since the 2 worldwar and you take all our inventions as soon we invent them lol.
Me: Hates math
Also me: Watches Real Engineering
ikea made submarine.
It was built by SAAB Kockums
Erik Ahl r/woooooooosh
Shooting chair legs instead of torpedos...
Jepp
Knights of nee.
But remember that those meatballs are filled with horse meat!
Easy, they bribed the crew with great meatballs, and the US navy bent the knee
Ikea meatballs ofc
Oh snap Ikea balls
Has visions of the Swedish Chef cooking for US sailors. ua-cam.com/video/B7UmUX68KtE/v-deo.html
Swedish meatballs ftw
We're not Italians! Unless you're referring to IKEA meatballs, of course. I could see the appeal there.
Australia claimed the same with its Collins class, a modified Kockums Vaestergotland class.
Us: Noooo you can't just sink our carrier it cost us 6.3 billion dollars 😭
Sweden: haha torpedo go brrrrrrrr
It's only cheap because it requires you to build the whole thing, and at the end you find several leftover pieces that make you forever worried it's going to fall apart. The Swedish love doing this to people.
Fry Szopen it's an ikea flat packed joke
It's a weird joke to make. Ikea furniture is designed to be trivial to put together such that any moron could do it. This doesn't make sense in the context of a submarine.
@seigeengine: IKEA flatpack is usually cheaper than a pre-assembled equivalent partially because it's so simple to put together that that work can be foisted on the consumer.
seigeengine not nessesarily the Swedish army like this idea of cheap and easy to build and repair equipment. you see it with the Saab fighters they are made in such a way thay can be,taken apart and repaired with stuff you find in a hardware store.( or at least as mutch as possible) this is due to the positioning of Sweden and the lessens learned in the finish Russian war. Sweden do expect to be attacked by a far stronger enemy and having to fight a gorilla war.
Where can i buy one of these subs? IKEA?
You gotta love Swedish military engineering. Always finding ways to get better while spending less. So clever, so deadly...
Then we let Americans borrow our stuff so they can destroy it
Nate Malm why would be destroy Swedish subs? We are allies
@@yourmanzach2307 that's literally what they said in the video, we let them borrow it so they could learn to destroy it
@@nathanaelmalm5641 yes because the chinese have similair diesel subs.. thats why.
@@yourmanzach2307 maybe just in case sweden were to turn on us, we know how to sink their subs
This was more a video about the sterling engine than actually about how they sunk the carrier
There are two kinds of ships, submarines and targets..
Submarine OP, pls nerf.
WaterwayWorker W. L. No u
Get it into War Thunder Naval Beta Testing...
lol...I love it
amen
hahha.
Don't mind me. I'm just here to read what all the top military experts have to say.
quantomic1106 - Award for top remark in comments ! 👏🏻
Ouch! Betcha that hurt the experts!
You sir are an expert! Why do we need military generals and military strategists when we can easily gather valuable battle plans from armchair warrior UA-cam comments like yours? But hey what do I know?
Silly generals.
If you genuinely think the US military hasn't already figured out countermeasures or alternatives of some sort to these technologies that are heavily classified and will only be revealed 20 years down the road, you're out of your mind.
So what does all this logic have to do with the shown video?! For what I have seen it was about a sub taking out a aircraft carrier during an exercise.
“In warfare, this isn’t a sound strategy.”
Sonar: uses sound to detect enemies
Strategy: _SOUND_
Former submariner here... the diesel boat would easily get picked up by the MAD on a P-3 and promptly sunked if this wasn't a war game. War games typically enforce rules that make it very unfair for one side.... because its just a game.
I think the US navy got a bit CARRIED away
Funny joke
*BA-DUM TSS*
whos paying for this...
The Spherical Earth hahah
Yeah but you need to respect the Swedish navy
Who would win? The most powerful and sophisticated military the world has ever seen or
One Stirling boi?
Tadokat Sterling? Surely you mean Stirling...
Convergant This is an engineering channel, not a linguistic channel. :
Tadokat Linguistics is language engineering!
Not largest . China is the largest. And if reserve personal are to be counted. North korea is the biggest
EpicHunter117 Gaming True. In terms of raw amount of units, the U.S. isn't the largest. Hell, even throughout history, there were far larger militaries like Czarist Russia during The Great War with 5 million (though many of them weren't actually armed due to lack of rifles). That being said, it's still by far the most powerful.
US Navy: I picked up something... it sounds like world's smallest violin.
Speaking as an ex-submariner, I would always back the submarine to get through to the carrier. No surface ship travelling at the speeds required for launching /recovering aircraft with catapults and arrester gear can use a sonar effectively and the escorts must travel at the same speed. I am not even sure that they man the sonars during flying stations. The physics of the water also gives the submarine other advantages. Gotland is certainly a very quiet design and your explanation of the Stirling engine was very clear.
I doubt the CVN has organic sonar, but you can bet each of the DDGs in the strike group is monitoring sonar at all times. Plus the strike groups travel with at least one SSN. And ideally, Intel already knows what potentially hostile subs could be in the area before the strike group is supposed to be there. That doesn't mean a sub can't surprise them like the Chinese have done, but it helps.
@@dongquixote7138 and you can bet that their sonar is also ineeffective at the speeds carrier goups operate. It is just physics!
USA: We have the most modern and expensive technology known to man and nobody can sink our navy
Some swedish boi: hold my beer
I thought the sub achieved what it did because of two things: it knew the route the carrier group was taking and so could position in advance, and it just parked there, not moving. IRL it wouldn't be able to do this because an enemy wouldn't be privy to the fleet's movements. If they were, it would be a SIGINT win, not a win for the sub. Seems like this was blown out of proportion to me
@steve crawford woah your ego is just radiating
Hold my meatball*
@@berengerchristy6256 It probably knew the general area the carrier group were in, just like in a real scenario. Otherwise the sub wouldnt have been seen as such a large threat, the US leased it and it's crew for 2 years after all.
@@berengerchristy6256 A carrier group isn't really what you'd call inconspicuous, it's kinda hard to miss and projecting where it's going isn't really hard either since it takes a long time to change course, so all you need is a small boat or plane to spot it. Of course the opponent wouldn't be privvy to the plans but the route isn't that hard to find out.
This kind of stuff is absolutely fascinating. Thanks for doing what you do!
Another advantage of a diesel-electric sub with air independent propulsion (AIP) is that it can turn off its powerplant and rest on the sea floor (in relatively shallow water) making almost no noise not registering as a moving vehicle.
If the carrier fleet knows that the submarine is in the area they will find it. In a time of real war the carrier group would saturate the area with anti submarine measures.
@@bighands69 Partly the reson that they desided to lease the sub was, they could not find it, the gotland class dureing excorsises in the Medeteranian, avoided detection for days, and WAS NOT found by for example by resting on the sea floor, whit several Nato Navies seartching whit Activ sonar.
@@AdmiralLj
In a major war individual submarines like that would be useless and the moment they opened fire they would get destroyed.
Everybody's gangsta until the water starts speaking Swedish
The trick is that the whole sub can be dismantled and divided into flat packages with an L-wrench. Impossible to trace under attack, and they can then assemble it anywhere in the world in just minutes. The problem is that there will always be one missing bolt in every package that can only be found in the nearest IKEA store............ But as long they have access to IKEA spare parts they Swedish submarines are deadly.....
That was really good, I started off speed reading your post, and had to back track. I knew I missed something, when I slowed down the 2nd time I really Laugh-Out-Loud.
"Those Swedes sure know how to put in almost everything you need" Philip J. Fry
Most underrated comment out of the 8k or so on this video. Freakin hysterical!!!
i love this comment
you need to consider, they now pack allways spare bolts in the packages, take this Murrica!
Attack Helicopter ́ // Damn it !! Then the vikings will be unstoppable once again. But this time they will come submerged ;-)
When you give vikings modern tech
Give? This was made in Sweden.
Sweden have been building submarines since 1904.
@@Merecir surprised noone say its just a joke yet
@@Merecir r/woooshh
@@Fredag123 r/ihavereddit
@@Merecir it’s a fucking joke
Swedish : money well spent
So the US is learning what everyone already knows. Aircraft Carriers are not the ultimate Naval assets.
US: I have more power
Russia: No I have more power
Sweden: I'll just sneak by. I really don't want to be a part of this
China: Hey, look guys, we made a mach 10 rocket, just like you guys did 50 years ago. Now we too can render all your ships obsolete. Wait, what's the argument about again?
Good luck striking our sub with that mach 10 rocket.
lol
TurnipTwister 123 Germany: Hey, I’ll behave as fishing boats.
Dutch submarine: Let's "sink" just half of the US carrier battle-group while we make our exit, we don't want to make them to embarrassed by destroying the whole fleet, it's an exercise after all.
Who would win?
1. One of the biggest military forces in the world.
2. A viking submarine.
3. Afghanistan goat herders
Tobias Lilliehorn 4.Vietnamese Rice Farmers
5. Some nuclear Russian boi
7.some kamikaze boi
*hinga dinga durgen, outsider*
"sound strategy" pun intended
Interestingly enough, 5 years earlier, in 1999 a Dutch Walrus class sub (similarly a diesel-electric sub) successfully penetrated the U.S. Navy screen and "sank" several ships, including the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt before escaping as part of the multi-national "Joint Task Force Exercise/Theatre Missile Defence Initiative 1999" wargames.
So this is not the first time the US navy was left scratching their heads as for ways to fend off diesel-electric sub attacks, and the effectiveness of the Swedish Gotland sub would not have come as a complete surprise.
That, and as a Dutchman I feel that we deserve some recognition for that before the Swedes get all the glory ;-)
The nationality of the sub in this story seems to change each week
You didn't actually answer the question of how the submarine actually did win the game. A story the video feels incomplete.
Yes he did at 0:42
+T N when subs do "attack runs" during training they take pictures of the vessel and they counts as torpedos fired.
As that was answered within a minte of the video, this could count as anti-clickbait. The answer is given quickly, and you can choose to stay for the additional information.
The submarine was never seen
That's why I disliked the video.
The answer is that the Stirling engine cylinders work opposite each other and the vibrations are cancelled out. Totally.
You can put a coin on the side on top of it and it will not fall over. That is why it is so silent.
And for people who don't know. It's the same technique used in noise cancelling headphones
@@vapen_hem Noise canceling headphones have opposite cylinder engines??! 0.o
@@rrs_13 🤦♂️
@@vapen_hem :D
@@rrs_13 no, theres tiny swedish submarines built inside the headphones. if you listen closely you can hear their crews drink met and sing viking songs.
This story is like the "US Navy VS Canadian/Irish/English/Scottish lighthouse", sometimes the sub is Swedish, sometimes Danish and other times Norwegian
.... errrm, we’re a light house, your move
US:SWEDEN WHAT IN THE ABSOLUTE HELL!?
Sweden: Börk
Börk?
Börk.
Kottbollar
funkyleah håll käften
Börk
The whole submarine is assembled with just a hex key.
Actually it's Swiss Knife...
THEPHYSICALSPRIT.. SWEDEN you dolt, not Switzerland
THEPHYSICALSPRITF fucks sake how is Sweden and Switzerland often confused, are you acting stupid just to make us mad????
but there is also a picture of a guy calling someone for help. if you find the pictures hard to read.
From this day forward, the Allen Wrench shall be known as the Swedish Wrench.
5:30 "these instruments" shows a photo of SOKS, designed to detect wakes (density variations) left by submarines. There was a report that they had a device (not the SOKS shown) that was able to detect trace amounts of radionucleotides "left behind in the path of a nuclear submarine" (but can't be differentiated by those in normal seawater) and that they were supposedly able to detect and track several of their own ships, and they claimed to have used it to track one of our submarines, but experts are skeptical - there are other techniques the Russian subs were employing at the time, and it is likely one of those other techniques was what worked to enable them to track our submarine.
Thats why the Saab 93 are still sort after, they make things that work, good lesson.
Having been in the Navy and having as part of my job the determination of sound propagation, I find this totally believable. Diesel-electric subs, especially in shallow water (less than 600 fathoms) are virtually undetectable when on battery. Even nuke attack subs are very difficult to detect. There was one occasion on the carrier that I was stationed on that the first indication one was around was the periscope a quarter mile away. The biggest problem with a carrier vs. sub is that the planes make so much noise that it screws up the passive sonar for miles around while at the same time providing a big "here I am" to the submarine.
I didn’t even think about the self generated noise pollution aspect
How does the Navy evaluate the Carriers in war simulation? Do they think they are their strongest weapons or do they consider them to be too vulnerable and inefficient?
When it comes to a near-equal, I don't know. (I'm retired Navy and my job was weather forecasting, not strategy) An equal or near-equal could launch cruise missiles from either surface ships or submarines from over the horizon. If launched from a submarine, your first clue that it is on the way is when your radar picks it up incoming and you cross your fingers that your CIWS (Close in Weapons System) which shoots 3,000 depleted (non-radioactive) uranium slugs per minute, can shred it. Against other carriers and surface ships, it is back to WWII, who has the best tacticians, pilots, equipment, and crew will win.
The thing about carriers is that they can project force an insane distance. When I was in the Navy, before the Shah of Iran was overthrown, we had some war games with the Iranians. When we were about a thousand miles from Iran we launched our planes, which had a range of only 800 miles. We cheated, we sent tankers out to refuel them so they could reach their targets, and then refueled them again on the way back. They never found us. They were looking for us within the range of the aircraft and we weren't there.
I suppose that tactics like that are those which would minimize the usefulness of a diesel-electric sub. You just make sure you are where they won't think of looking. Which in the case mentioned in the video sounds like wasn't done.
Really interesting information. Indeed if the Carriers are already found by the enemy, they are pretty much sitting ducks and I think there are few things you can do to protect them. I am interested in and read a little bit about warfare on the sea and ever since the era of WW2, it seems to be mostly a game of hide and seek. I guess it doesn't change much after all these years.
I heard somewhere that the Russians have fake fishing trawlers parked outside our sub bases and whenever a sub goes in for a refit and to get a more modern 'screw' the Russians wait for it to leave and try to pick up on the new signature. I am sure we do the same thing as well.
Because IKEA made it.
Pewdipie*
Airplane Plus Train Guy OF COURSE IT MADE IT
Airplane Plus Train Guy Can I order one too?
I am still trying to find the lost pieces from the table I bought from ikea ;-)
übåt...
Swedes: Masters of meatballs and submarines.
Who will win
A $6.2b supercarrier
Or
One gotland boi
"There is are only two kinds of naval vessels, submarines and targets"
1943: 260 U-boat lost Submarines are targets too
Yeah, WW2 submarines were rather submersible torpedo boats than proper submarines as they operated 95% of the time on the surface. Modern day conventional or nuclear powered attack submarines are something completely different.
Yes and how much allied shipping was lost? Also....over 70 years ago xD
Adamast U-Boats are submersible toroedo boats not submarines. And they relied on being a periscope depth to attack, where they could be seen by the naked eye.
Paradoxical Nightmare. It's not a submarine's job to find other subs. They will be sneaking around enemy controlled waters trying to find and sink enemy ships. Anti-submarine role is left to aircrafts and destroyers.
Thankyou to our friends in Sweden for teaching us about our vulnerabilities and helping us get that vulnerability worked out. Together we are stronger.
and soon we will be gone, if catch my drift ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
No,thank you 4 saving our sorry as during ww2.THANK YOU and your family and relatives.THANK YOU!!.And yes,us rocks!!
@@danielnilsson5384 So does Sweden, it rocks!!!! :)
Anonymous Devil Dog hello, i am swedish
Anonymous Devil Dog you’re welcome ;)
Lots of people think carriers are obsolete
That is like saying Navy Aviation is obsolete
@@mitchconner403 Hi Mitch you probably know way more about this than l do but the point is they are such large targets. And the only way military obsolescence is demonstrated is in action.
@@jontalbot1
In action with a country like China or Russia means nuclear war.
So most ships and planes will be made obsolete if that occurs.
Cuz the nukes are going right for the aircraft carriers and air fields on land.
@@mitchconner403 Nukes are weapons of mass not targeted destruction. You don’t need a nuke for an aircraft carrier
@@jontalbot1
Well a Aircraft carrier costs a lot.
The planes on a Aircraft carrier cost a lot.
The Aircraft Carrier is probably carrying nukes too. So this will be one the first targets in any nuclear war.
Probably a Nuke torpedo
Sweden sends 213 top class deadly subs to the Black Sea.
"The ping isn't a very sound solution."
Is this pun intended?
Yes, most likely
Sweden, small country and world class in surprisingly many stuff.
They are gays
@Kekistan Shitlord how about that Sweden has 2nd best internet connection, one of the best commute and traffic system, one of the countries with least environmental issues compared to population and size, one of the smallest countries that has influenced the entire world with big companies such as IKEA, Volvo, Scania, ABB.
@@Petri_Pennala best u could come up with?
Kevin Magron once they begin letting immigrants in they will end up just like any other banana republic
I live i sweden its only in some citys that its many muslims in.
After binge watching RE videos, my summation on this channels topics are mostly : Aerodynamics (Jet planes), Building materials, Energy (batteries) and Nebula, Curiosity Stream, Hover, Squarespace, Skillshare
"I'm boutta end this countries economy"
WHO WOULD WIN:
A giant million ton metal behemoth battle ship
Or
One swimmy boi
who will win
one of the most advanced aircraft carriers in the world fitted with top notch sub detection
or
one Swedish boi
Kien Truong actually it barely weighs over 100 tons
Who would win?
American's embodiment of compensation in steel and gunpowder
Or
One sneaky meatball?
I KNEW someone would go there!!
Shockwave Shockwave one sneaky meatball boi*