NO MORE HORRIBLE GREENS TREATMENT... THIS IS A GAME-CHANGER!?
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- NO MORE HORRIBLE GREENS TREATMENT... THIS IS A GAME-CHANGER!? 100% Of Golfer's HATE THIS... BUT WHY!? Have you ever wondered WHY greenskeepers ruin the greens at certain times in a season? often the greens just get good at your golf course... In this video I talk through the guys at Woolley Park GC about Greens Aeration... a golfers nightmare, and often something which gets hugely misunderstood. The guys art Woolley Park have invested heavily in equipment to try and make the big horrible holes a thing of the past. Is this the most annoying thing in golf? stereotypical golfers often hate it... let's do it... and let's do it now!
Big shout out to all the green keepers around the country doing an outstanding job at keeping the courses in excellent condition
Greenkeeping is easy, every golf course has about 400 experts 😂😂😂😂
Thank you I appreciate you saying that we never get an atta-boy good job well done nothing
@@999ukfire definitely not easy there buddy
@@billliberati9840 I was stating that every member is a greenkeeper or they think they are. Greenkeeping is a science in my book and a specialist activity.
Thanks for your kind words Tommie! We do our best.
As a head Greenkeeper I appreciate you educating golfers James. Great job buddy.
It's the same thing where you pull a small or big core. You could also not pull a core at all with solid tines. There have been studies on this very situation. Leaving more thatch through the winter can always cause negative impacts, winterkill, spring dead spot and so on. Why not just pull a bigger plug, it won't take that long to heal, your looking at 1 week to 10 days. Another bad thing with this he is aerating at the same depth over and over far more often instead of only twice a year. Repeated aeration at the same depth with cause layering in the rootzone, and than black layer
Shout out to the green keepers. Usually under appreciated and getting the playing surfaces as good as they do is a tough job ... more so than most folk realise.
And while they may aerate the greens once a year there is a reason, we have no reason for not repairing pitch marks. If each person Repaired a Minimum of two per green when you play the greens would be fixed in a week
Yup 5:30-2 every day
I am a greens keeper in Maryland USA, thank you for making this video James. Golfers always get mad when we punch our greens. Unfortunately it is a necessary evil.
More of this kind of "behind the scenes" stuff please! It's really interesting for those of us who just pitch up and play and don't know how much effort goes into keeping the courses so pristine!
I’ve got to say, it doesn’t bother me when they do the greens….I love it as I know the greens are going to be amazing all year round because of it. Definitely worth the sacrifice of a couple of rounds a year. Great excuse for always missing my putts 😂
I was introduced to the game by a greenskeeper. I learned more than I probably should have about course management from playing rounds with him. I still have that critical eye for spotting little deficiencies around the course. It really made me appreciate all the hard work those guys do to give us a great playground.
I shot my best score of the year yesterday on scarified greens. Our Greenskeepers work tirelessly at Seaford Golf Club to give us good playing conditions all year round. And it just so happens that our greenskeepers are between 2-4 index. Shout out to Craig and Charlie and the team at Seaford. It's a great course and club to be part of.
As a nerd myself I appreciate the science lesson :P Always interesting to see "behinds the scenes" stuff like this, and John and his team are clearly a credit to his club.
Just reviewing the work programme for these upcoming months at our Club
Think ALL golfers would benefit from hearing and seeing this video James
Good stuff 👍👍
Woolley is one of the best presented courses I've ever played, so you have to put your trust in the guys that present it like that.
Besides, conditions are the same for everybody on the day, so what does it matter... Wind, rain, greens maintenance - they're all just factors in playing regular golf.
Fantastic video, Golfers need to understand that it takes a LOT OF HARD WORK to allow us to play golf. Shout out to all green keepers.
Big up and huge respect to greenkeepers! Probably the most under-appreciated people in golf.
Love it! I’m also a greens keeper and appreciate this being brought to light.
Our greens maintenance week was in August which seemed odd, but the head greenkeeper explained it was because the ground was warmer, so recovery was quicker. He was right, and our greens are fantastic now.
Had my one and only H in 1 on scarified greens so usually happy to see it!!
Although note to clubs if you are going to do it and cut in temporary holes on the fairway to 90% of the holes best tell your visitors and before they tee off after paying full whack 😡
Not this course obviously, always looks mint on the videos 👍🏻
Love to see the behind the scenes action at a quality club. Might be a good series to highlight a lot of the jobs available in the industry. In particular at the course. Maintenance of tee boxes, fairways, bunkers. Might help with the way players participate in the care of the course they play on.
Love these behind the scenes of how to maintain a golf course. Great work.
For a procedure I disdain so much...I sure enjoyed watching that video! Thanks to all the Green Keepers out there!
I am good friends with our Superintendent and love that you provided a glimpse into their world ( a thankless job) but have shown that aeration is important to keep the course in great shape ( especially the greens) ( and sometimes the tee boxes !!!) Cheers from the States
Great video. They just punched the greens at a lot of courses in south Florida. It never occurred to me that it helped with drainage. Which is pretty important in my part of the world during summer months. I would love to see more course maintenance type videos.
Been a greenkeeper for nearly 18 years and we get the comments and moans from the same people year on year and when we get it now im just gonna refer people to this video well done james and well done all the lads at woolley park
Very informative. Thanks to all the greens keepers and maint. workers out there.
James man....when are we going to see you up playing 'Newbiggin by the sea' whilst the greens are lightning, you would love it mate....just up the A19....just saying!
Great to see needles being used instead of plugs on a lot of courses. At the end of the day...it is what it is to have great greens over the colder months.
Keep up the great work lads!!!!!
Great Job by John and you explaining the process and watching it happen, especially the size of holes made. Good job for the golf course maintenance staff, professionals at there trade
Very interesting…. Our golf course uses 8mm, then upon end of season (01 November), they go all in with much deeper holes to survive through our harsh winters. Quebec, Canada…. Our course holes the greens 10 days ago, most of the greens don’t have holes anymore.
I know here in texas you have to go deep when you pull cores. Its all clay here in dallas
Here in the US Carolinas, the bent grass greens were punched several weeks ago and the bermuda green were done before that. All are perfect now with the bent getting fast and delightful for late season play. We play year round, hehe.
Having worked in the lawn and garden industry before, I do understand and appreciate the science behind the upkeep of a golf course. But, as a beginner golfer, it almost hurts watching a perfect putting green get tore up temporarily like that!! In the end, that course sure looks beautiful, wow.
I don't complain about maintenance because they are only making our experience better for the future 👌🏼 love these videos
Great video James, it is however one of the hardest weeks in the shop which members popping in for a chat. I think communication & education the reasons and benefits will go along way to help golfers understand.
In my area Tucson Arizona they have to shut the course down for 2 weeks for the winter changover. Bermuda grass goes dormant late Oct into Nov all the facilities have to overseed with winter rye which holds up thru the winter and the occasional freeze that happens. All the locals dread this time of year.
This should be shared by every golf club to their membership
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Small cores failed miserably at our course. Couldn’t get enough old out and new sand in. Green conditions steadily got bad like we didn’t do anything. Went back to big cores and the greens responded again. USGA greens. That top little bit may be good going into summer but it is no substitution for big holes.
I think most golfers would appreciate discounted greens fees for a week or two after aeration. Another issue is courses not giving adequate notice. Nice video...thanks
Almost every course ive worked at discounts the green fees for about a month after renovations the club i worked previously went from $90 down to $40 and my current club goes from $160 down to $80 for two weeks
@@DrScottson Brenton, that's good to hear. Many reviews on GolfNow for courses in my area complain about not being notified of aerification and no discount, so it seems the practice can vary widely. Good to hear some courses are doing it...hopefully it can become industry standard with greater awareness!
We close for 2 weeks twice a year. For reno’s greens tees and fairways are scarified scalped and cored. Roughs are scarified and tees and greens are topp dressed.
@@DrScottson I bet your course is in great shape!
Great vid. Just grabbed some tines for my home backyard putting green from Ninja tines. Couldn't remember the tine he was using and came back to watch again. Thanks for the info. really helpful.
Worked in kitchens and retail for 7 years. I’m now 25, and miserable and am really thinking about green keeping. Don’t get to play enough to get down to be a club pro and this way I spend more time on the course. Those greens looked beautiful!
They don't roll the greens in my area as much as they should. Very interesting video. Good to see technology advancing in green keeping.
Ninja tines are amazing during season. Amazing recovery and put a roller over and as good as new. We did do a thing called hydroject. Which would punch holes with water to open up and give water at the same time
Genuinely proper interesting stuff. Gutted that I did my work experience with green keepers, and I absolutely hated it, horrible weather and stupidly early starts… not a teenagers dream. But now I’d love to be out there learning that stuff.
Keep up the good work, I enjoy aeration at my local courses. Keeps all the sunday golfers off the course.
Smaller tines are interesting, reminds me a shading needles for tattoos
Here in the south USA, we have many Bermuda greens due to the heat and humidity. What do most courses across the pond have?
More of the Bent Grasses and Hybrids you would see in New York and New England.
GB&I courses have to be able to handle RAIN and Moisture.
Realize London is as far North as the Southern end of Hudson Bay in Canada.
Without the Gulf Stream, England would be the Snowshoe Capital of the World.
Good stuff.
Definitely do more of these with the green keepers throughout the year.
When would you be seeding in the spring and which what sort of grass seed and mix and blend for the greens and tee’s? Would you be doing more solid verti draining in the winter? And with what sort of size of times?
We usually oversees twice a year, once in spring and once towards the end of the season, it was done a couple of weeks ago. We use pure bent cultivars. We will micro tine with the vertidrain during the autumn and spring when ground conditions are favourable. One of our greatest assets is the Air2G2 which can aerate to 12” with little or no disruption to the surface which is great all year round
@@johnrowbottom782 how often would you air2g2? Would you drill in the seed with a disc seeder? How do you level off your tee boxes?
@@scottdanter4167 we try to get out every month in the winter with the air2 or more often if we have a spell of bad weather. We use a vredo disc drill to maximise germination 👍🏻. We use a Dakota sand spreader on the tees than follow it with a drag mat to level 👍🏻
@@johnrowbottom782 have you ever used a koro to take the top layer of organic matter of a tee box and then topped it up with sand and levelled to aid drainage?
@@scottdanter4167 no never tried that
Great video. Good to see the super taking some initiative and not just pulling massive cores because everyone else is..it should always be property specific. looks like he knows his well 👍
Very informative video James unsung heroes our greenkeepers we don't tell them enough how good a job they do
How often are core sames taken from greens, fairways, and tee boxes. Would love more education on what the optimal soil sample should be.
Great series, as the educational factor and efforts of of greenkeepers need more recognition to their contribution.
Fairways and Tees are generally done twice a year. Early Spring, late Summer.
Courses in climates that allow "Year round Play" will do Fairways and Tees every few months.
As mentioned in the Video, this Aeration needs to be done while still in "growing season" for "healing" to happen.
Great video good communication between the management & members has got to be the best way to go 👍
Good to see that there's development happening in that area too. I mean why use a cannon if a needle does the job as well or better. And like many others here in comments, I don't really mind about this stuff when I'm playing. I know it has to be done in order to keep the greens nice. I try to putt so that the ball goes rolling straight and keep it going better no matter what comes on the way.
I get a bit annoyed when the greens are not optimal (and even bad, like temporary winter green here up north) and I'm playing with people who constantly whine how bad the greens are, unplayable etc. Yes, it's not optimal, but my approach is that I try to think how ghe conditions will affect and what should I do to counter them. Just like any other shot where you have to think about hazards, wind etc.
Brilliant video James love to see that John's trying new things to try and impact the least on the greens for the golfers , Is this the first time using them that thin because the didn't seem to go as deep as the others and will it be as good. Great for the insight to greenkeepers role and why they do these things they do such an important job
You didn't watch the entire video. They talked about why they don't need to go as deep. You must be broke. Too broke to pay attention. lol
Hi Andrew,
We have been using these for over a year now as our go to hollow coring tine. We are built on USGA spec rootzone so we have no need to remove anything below the top inch. We are purely focusing on organic matter management when we hollow core which these times are great for 👍🏻.
John
@@johnrowbottom782 5hankyou John for your reply I love to see and try to understand all aspects of golf and as a member of a golf club you may have a quick conversation with the green keeping staff and probly conscious of taking up to much of there time . Watching James videos with you playing as well it's great to see a well kept course and commend your team in your work
Great video James, amazing to see the work that goes into keeping the green playing so well. Woolley park looks a great course, John does a fantastic job .
Good video James. Everyone love your greens keepers now. Buy them a pint and pat them on the back. 😁 Good job guys!
Great work and good to see the unsung heroes getting recognition for getting courses ready for the winter 🥶 and set up for the new year
I must say I did cringe a little when you showed the slow mo of the green getting aerated. lol. But I appreciate you showing how and why and when it is done. You can tell John is passionate about his job and it shows with the condition of the course. Great job again James. Keep it up!
you guys are lucky to stay open. My course which is private closes for a whole 5 days.
Massively appreciate the green keepers but I did get a little ticked off with them when my first eagle putt was sent completely wayward by the green treatment in my last round
Its good they do it because the greens would be s--t if it wasn't do and its very interesting what goes on to make the greens look so good, good job John 👍🏌️♂️⛳
Great video , I’ve always wondered how they deal with divot filled tee boxes
Way back when Golf first started. St Andrews being one example. In the winter the course was played backwards. Greens were made near the Tees and Tees made near the Greens. The construction did not have to be the same quality as the summer course, but it meant Golf could be played all year unless it was covered in snow. This system also means that the main approach areas get rested and divots would be taken at a different location on the fairway. Why is that not done now?
And putting on those greens would have been like putting on a fairway today. Watch some old videos. Look at guys whacking at the ball on the green, and watch it bounce around. No one today would put up with that.
When St Andrews first was built, "6 on the Stimp" was *FAST!*
I want to play that course after seeing how much James cares about what he does great job
Our local course done this during a competition not so long ago. Spiked, not sanded, rolled or cut after. just left as it was.
Nicely done ❤️ super video. Loved the edited too
I did wonder what the reasons for this was for. Us hackers from the Dock Inn at Penzance aren't club members so do you get reduced green fees while maintenance week is on? Also, Liam did the same video this week and they used an additional machine that sucked up the cores and split them into soil and thatch, the soil being used to refill the holes (together with the sand) while the thatch was composted down for use on the tees as divot filler.
I have been curious about what goes into course maintenance. Would like to learn about what aggravates the superintendents. I always try to be curious because I play the same courses locally and don't want to be a pest.
I was on a golf course where they were core aerating the fairways! Do you also do the fairways and, is so, how often?
Two to Four times a year. This depends upon the Length of the "Growing Season" in the Course's geographic location.
What do they do to keep the bad grass and weeds under control, both fairway and greens ? Interesting stuff.
We use selective herbicides to spray weeds in fairways. We don’t tend to get them in the greens as they have such a tight sward there is no room for invasion, any that do sneak in are hand pulled.
Basic understanding of turf grass and soil health. Everyone should be excited when you see this happening. Top dressing should be applauded as well
Interesting. But 4mm holes are a quarter the area of 8mm holes.
Correct, so even though. They were running 60 cores on the machine v 24 of the 8mm they are taking more soil out with the 24 x 8 MM cores.
Maybe with the smaller cores they can do a second pass and the green is more playable?
But you are creating 2.5 times as many holes in the width of one pass.
This allows for Removal of sufficient thatch and compacted soil, and while the smaller holes heal at the same Speed as the Larger Holes, the distortion of the Surface and their visibility is much less.
@@guyr7351 no need to make a Second Pass. The 60 smaller plugs are sufficient for his purposes at that time.
Really interesting 👌... good video, no one else shows this stuff and the technology behind it
So much easier to clear afterwards. We usually have a group of volunteers to help sweep greens after hollow tinings
Do you guys have any kind of drag that you put on your aerator to drag the plugs off the greens? Or do you just blow them off?
100% have been 'that' golfer who whines about them ruining perfectly good greens, but this is totally understandable, especially with some courses having to book machinery to do it. My local course did it recently and I think it was with the same ninja tines as they still rolled great afterwards, and now they've recovered, they're fantastic!
James great video. Very informative and educational
Great info. So annoying paying for golf and the greens look like ww1 trench...
Amazing advance in the process it was back breaking work back 40 years ago when I did it .
Great video , shame it was only 12 minutes long , could watch these types of vids all day . Have to ask as a southerner what is mizzle??
Love the maintenance
Is it good to Leave the aeration holes without sand?
Huge props to all of the green keepers!
Airplane props?
What’s a great video, loved the slow mo edits👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
What would be the difference between this micro plugger and a ground fracture spike that just goes in and vibrates to open a hole does the plug actually need to be pulled
Great insight! Love those guys! It looks brilliant!
This is the reason why I left my last club. They persisted in coring the first week of September BEFORE numerous competitions and All Finals Day. The greens were perfect June-August and then destroyed "to help us through winter" A new greenkeeper is now in place who is also a member of the club so I will be returning as he is of a mind to delay until October. By the way it was 18 degrees the day Woolley Park did this ...so why the rush ?
There is no rush Alison, we time our work around the golf calendar and our work is so low disruption that there is zero interference with the golf experience. Each course has its own ideas about the right time to carry out work that is essential to the health of the greens.
@@johnrowbottom782 My course was a moorland and seemed to get growth later, as a result the greens were not rolling well until June ...so to wreck them in September seemed premature. Are you not finding that it is warmer luntil later in the year these days so so greens still have growth as late as November.
@@alisonhopper7522 yes temperatures can at times be warmer later in to the season but at the same time later in the season can bring wild fluctuations in temperature. One day warm another day cold. We have chosen to do our work in September to maintain consistency in growth conditions. I cannot comment as to whether the turf team at your old club “ruined” the greens in September or not but the purpose of this video was to highlight there are newer and better techniques out there now. I carry out this same work multiple times during the season with no disruption to play.
I love this content; useful for all golfers to note
The course I work at uses this same machine we also notify everybody in advance an also place dates on web site being public courses (2) it is in great shape
Excellent and informative video fellows!
5:52 - Math correction: if you halve the diameter, you have to quadruple the number of tines for an equivalent area. So 60 @ 4mm is still less than 24 @8
Very interesting video. Cheers James.
Big shout out to the Green keepers at Lee Park GC Liverpool. The course is in great condition and the greens are amazing. well done boys
I guess recovery will be around 7 days or so? Looks a great course
WOW...wish more courses used the smaller tines on greens. They wouldn't even be noticeable on putts if the green was top dressed and swept properly.
Have you ever looked into the Dryject systems? What are your thoughts?
you're bloody lucky last couple of years they've done ours at the end of july beginning of august with the 13mm ones !!!!
Very interesting, thanks guys.
Are we copying Liam over on golf mates James 😂😂😂, always good to see how the greenkeepers work their magic 👍🏌️
Do Greens Keepers know how much gratitude golfers have for them? IMO Unsung heros!
Fascinating stuff chaps nice one 👍
Thanks for the education!
Outstanding, good information
why would a greenskeeper punch the holes fill them then keep following up with the sand? we are 4 weeks out from initial punching and the groundskeeping just dumped a ton of sand on all the greens again. nothing more fun than watching your ball pick up sand on the roll.
When you use large hollow tines the idea is to back fill the hole with sand to aid drainage. Often you will find that the initial application of sand will merely bridge across the top of the hole rather than filling the void. It can take multiple passes over the space of a few weeks to fill the holes up without choking the turf in one hit. Hope this helps 👍🏻
Ugh, my forearms are shaking just LOOKING at that aerator!