@@Oscar.224 Well, Ross thought they were broke up with Reachel. So technically wasnt cheating. But you are right. I could imagine first that Reachel and Ross cheating, then Monica and Chandler. Well Monica maybe, but not on Chandler. She would do it in a different relationship.
I always saw his relationship with his father as not him loathing his father due to their sexual/gender identity, but because they were absent and neglected him and his mother, instead going off to be promiscuous with strangers (and their family maid).
Yes same. Im sure if Chandlers dad was just “normal” with his identity Chandler would have been almost fine. Its not that hes doing drag, its what he does with it.
Did you hear how Matthew Perry during his addiction would steal his costars panties? He would sniff them in his personal trailer on set and pull on himself. Dude was a legend for that.
We must talk about the fact that the man who wrote all these "homophobic" scenes is gay himself and was the first person to write an LGBT wedding on prime time television in the 90s
Other people have said one of the writers was a woman as well, and she regretted the writing of Chandler's dad. So, nuance is important, but let's not forget that gay and straight people can mess up and do better. The writer even said WE in one of her statements which I'm assuming means her and the gay writer. They may not have been homophobic, but that doesn't mean they can't be criticized.
Gay people are not immune to being homophobic or perpetuating homophobic stereotypes. A lifetime of growing up in a world like that will make you internalise a lot of sh*t, just because someone is gay themselves doesn't mean they can do or say whatever they want. Source: Am a lesbian
His dad wasn't trans, he was a drag queen. There was a time during the movement when one was admonished for not knowing the difference. Now the terms are conflated.
Or maybe, just maybe, the show choosing a cis woman to play the character proves that mainstream media at the time had no clue nor interest in the distinction between the two. Also, overall the past Pride movement was way more conflating : in ballroom, "the girls" were either femme gays, crossdressing or trans full-time, "transvestite" was used both to designate an act or a tendency, etc. If anything, a hard-line distinction between drag as an art form and trans as an identity is way more established in the current mainstream than it was at any - which is neither a good or a bad thing.
@@lmoore3567 I mean, great that you lived your life in the 90s. That doesn't make it any easier to defend your position that trans vs. drag used to be that very defined who only grew "conflated" in recent times: especially in the case of ballroom, which I'm most tied to. (Also, yay for dismissing young people. It's anyone's guess how positively you see the "conflation" of trans issues with drag queens...)
@@bokarndiaye323 Were you there? Did you talk to any drag queens in the 90s? Did you hit the club scene at all back then? No? Okay. Drag queens were men. They knew they were men, and wanting to be a woman was considered very taboo. And yes, yay for dismissing the thoughts and opinions of young people. Especially young people who weren't there and didn't live it. The Ministry of Truth always wants to retroactively "adjust" the past. Don't trust anything you read online.
@@bokarndiaye323I’m pretty sure a man plays the mom who is the drag Queen. The blond short woman that got asked “are you the mom or father” is actually his mother. Monica’s dad just got her confused. She’s not the one we’re talking about.
definitely a drag queen.. they said what they meant.. his dad has a vegas show.. i think it was only to add to the silliness that his dad wore the drag on the regular.. then again, how many drag queens do y’all know that wear drag off stage and out of the club.. a bunch i suspect.. no way they had any understanding of trans. they just didn’t want to or couldn't hire a real queen in the role.
I'm pretty sure it was post established that she was trans but there has long been a confusion of the two. Lily Simpson has a great video on the character and this topic.
As a gay that has watched all of friends it is not at all homophobic! I don't know why everyone says it was. Woah this thing blew up! Sorry I'm not replying to any comments.
@jadenHESS-gv2jogo away with your silent judging- "Jesus loves you" as a cover-up for "you're going to h3ll" take your backhanded compliments elsewhere (he has gone through and commented this on every message in this comments section and replied "Jesus loves you" anytime someone said they're gay) hail Satan❤
@@applecidervinegar1650 a shit ton of gay people, and other members of the lgbtq+ loved and adored him like if u scroll down you will see people talking about it but ok 🤷♀️
@@idkmannnnnnnn that's the people in the comments, they too don't represent everyone. And not all I've seen are positive comments. It's not possible every alphabet person thinks the same.
Chandler was not homophobic or transphobic his dad was a drag queen which is not transgender. Chandler was straight and called gay and felt offended that they thought he like guys. I bet you’d be offended if people walked up to you wearing a pride flag saying oh where’s your wife or anything like that, I’d bet you’d be offended that somebody make that assumption
It’s not offensive for people to think you are something you’re not. What’s offensive is people dehumanizing you & reducing you to your sexuality & not just that but also wondering about your sexuality like they’d wonder about what you favorite food or drink is because it isn’t anyone else business other than your own. It’s incredibly weird to be that invested in someone else’s life that you’re (in general) wondering who’s in someone’s sheets. If someone though I was straight, gay, bi, pan or whatever, I wouldn’t care because there’s nothing wrong with any of the things mentioned therefore I shouldn’t be offended about people’s foolish assumptions that they should even be assuming or thinking about in the first place.
Why do people say that Friends was homophobic? They were actually pro-gay for their time. It included a lesbian couple that had a prominent role in Ross's life and they even showed a wedding, I think the first gay wedding on tv. The gay jokes were all made with good intentions and it's never viewed as a bsd thing on the show. People talkin out their ass.
jokes can be made with good intentions and still have homophobic undertones. a joke rooted in homophobia can come from someone who doesn’t actually have anything against queer people
It was more about them being used as jokes and not actual people with plots. Ross’s ex wife was just a “lesbian” that’s it. Every time they showed someone who wasn’t straight, it was always about them being gay or whatever. They never really had regular conversations
@@yaneyrydelfin5959 wasn't there a huge part involving his ex wife helping him with the fact he was gonna have a baby? Like yeah they're not amazing examples, quite cliché, but they weren't harmful
Yeah apparently it's fine for someone who's gay to say "ewww" when someone mentions dating the opposite gender, but if someone straight does it it's homophobic 😑
I don’t think they are saying he was homophobic because he refused to do the scene. I think that he was NOT being homophobic because he refused to do a scene where the butt of the joke is that people are mistaking a heterosexual man to be homosexual, as in it’s funny because it’s an insult to be thought of as gay. At least that’s what I took from this.
@@NoName99939Oh, maybe. I thought they were accusing Matthew himself of being homophobic for refusing to do a gay romantic scene on screen... but you do have a good point. Perhaps your interpretation is what they meant. Clearly none of those actors are/were homophobic. Matt, Matthew or David, I mean. They were all willing to have emotional scenes with the other male characters, with crying and even hugging each other for comfort. Men who are homophobic would never want to do that, because they'd be 'scared of the world labelling them as gay' (even though it's just acting). These days, that isn't as much of a concern... but back in the 90s, homophobia was much more rampant. The thought police wouldn't allow gay couples in mainstream TV shows or films - the hatred was insane, and those TV shows or films would be thrown off the air. The hatred for LGBTQIA characters in movies and TV shows still exists in the public, of course (in 2024), but these days most people just ignore that sort of whining. We KNOW that Matt Wilson is not gay just because he plays a gay man on TV (Australian actor who is straight but plays a gay man on the TV show 'Neighbours' - including kissing scenes with his husband and all), but even if he was really gay in real life, we wouldn't care anyway. Because there's nothing wrong with that. And incidentally, Neighbours has a transgender character, too - played by a transgender woman! Her real life story is woven into the backstory of the development of the character. She's been around for about 4 years now - a very popular character. :)
As a heterosexual, there is no reason for me to hate other people for their partner preference, because it is not my life? I can’t tell anyone else how to live or who to love. That’s their choice.
Disagreeing with someone’s right to exist as themself for sexuality or gender is not valid under any circumstances. Hate how thinking gay people should be treated like outcasts and scum is seen as just a “disagreement” when in reality it’s hatred and bias that shouldn’t be tolerated. There is no middle ground to be had debating someone’s existence.
@@Twink6629-lg3te?? that’s not what the comment said at all. Not agreeing with someone is not the same as treating them like dirt at all. There is an extreme difference between disagreement and hatred.
@@StaticLimes "not agreeing" with someone being LGBTQ+ is just a nice way of saying you're homophobic. You can't "disagree" with a person's identity because it's not a matter of opinion.
@@theroyaljules39 you can accept a person for who they are without endorsing all of their actions. I personally support the LGBTQ+ but I can understand not being hateful while not endorsing it
@@beegdawg you disagree with AH’s identity as… what? A human? A man? Heterosexual? White? Because those are all objective facts. It’s actually really important to recognize that AH and n*zis in general are just as human as you and I. Racism is a human concept and only humans are capable of it. We can’t fight it if we can’t acknowledge that anyone is capable of it
@@scottrayburn1264the vaccine is safe. Wanting to protect those that aren't able to get vaccinated and immunocompromised people is a great thing. Which you apparently didn't do.
It's a Joke and you got tricked and now may face health problems in the near future. I served this once great Land. You? Let me guess you offered nothing.
@@scottrayburn1264 I'm pretty sure we don't live in the same country dude. Also I literally got my 6th shot yesterday and nothing has happened. Y'all keep claiming we're gonna die on a specific day however y'all have always been wrong. You don't know how vaccines work and are scared however you're also stupid because you don't inform yourself about stuff you have no idea about.
Please leave friends alone. Its not something that was made for now... he refused to be a lot of nasty things normal people should refuse to be. He was a good man all round and just as chandler alone he brought joy x
@jadenHESS-gv2jo he might not have made you gay but he clearly made some people gay. If you believe in God...why are you judging the work HE DID...everyone's made in the image of what God has for them...who are you to say God's wrong in that???
So a scene where a strait guy in a gay bar, and the straight guy feels uncomfortable is homophobic now? He’s not hating on the gays, it’s just adding to the joke😂
@@systemaparasitica Mordern lenses is when cultural religion movies comics media, something was once acceptable in its time. Is in a new one and is seen as unacceptable now. It's like going after people for things that weren't crimes and still aren't, but treating them as if they were. Like if someone was drinking water from a fountain. And, back then foundation were clean and free to the public. But, now people find it disgusting and filth, even though that person hasn't done it since, year and year ago when it was acceptable, they are publicly shamed and outcast for something that happened because some just didn't like that he didn't get his water from a store.
Making jokes about gay people isn’t homophobic. All group get made fun of, it’s not meaning they hate that group. There has always been gay people as part of the tv and film industry and actors wouid know them and be friends with them. Gay people rock and I can’t imagine any of the cast in friends being homophobic
You can make jokes about gay people obviously, but there is simply making jokes and then there is punching down at a group of people. Humor can be harmful if done wrong. I’ve never met a single person saying you can’t make jokes about gay people. They are just trying to tell people to do it better, because humor can in fact be a tool to spread misinformation, propaganda, or punching down on people.
@@Twink6629-lg3teno it can't lol humor is the opposite of any negative feeling and no joke is bad just because you're trying to be offended for other people you feeling attacked doesn't give you the power to speak for any gays whether you are or not because that username is clearly trying to hard to not actually be a fake gay persona to spread your misinformation
It was a series where some people thought he was gay and he wasn't. Shouldn't be forced on anyone and doesn't make them homophobic it's a funny joke chill out lol
The problem was more with him being so disgusted and shocked with being accused of being gay and the whole "Haha people thought you were gay!". The Nanny had a straight guy being thought of as gay, and he took it in stride. The joke was more about the shock of the assumed gay guy not actually being gay, because our straight female protagonist was comfortable doing things with him that she wouldn't have done with a straight guy. Not bashing Friends too hard, because that's reflective of how some straight men felt at that time (and now) when people thought they were gay. That however was kinda overdone as a joke in TV. The Nanny was a breath of fresh air compared to Friends (tho i dont want to claim it was perfect because people could have their own problems with it). Of course there's more nuance to the scenes and the jokes being the writers punching up, but yeah.
@Unknown-dp1to I would be disgusted it someone thought I was gay but wasn't, nothing against them it's like I'm disgusted by certain vegetables and will never go there lol people are to sensitive these days
@@amyjones275 Naw bro that's mad weird. Someone saying that they thought you were gay and you being disgusted is nowhere near being disgusted by certain vegetables. I don't even know what about those two things are comparable.
@Unknown-dp1to lol. Obviously, it's not the same thing, but you get what I mean, I don't like the same sex. I met a lot of gays who looked so offended when people thought they were straight. Why is it always a one-way street, ouu it's always the straight people who are the bad guys.
@@amyjones275 I felt like you were going to say something like that lol. I guess because one group has been looked down upon, discriminated against, and criticized more than the others. A lot of gay people take pride in how they present themselves (no pun intended), and while relying on stereotypes isn't great. . . Sometimes, they feel as though you can pick up the signs. That being said, I feel as though people are moving away from that. I can still see gay people being asked if they're straight and them sarcastically replying, "Does it look like I'm straight?" Or maybe act offended but being disgusted is doing too much. Me and another girl assumed my best friend wasn't straight and were genuinely surprised to find out she wasn't. She wasn't disgusted by it, tho. She was just like, "lol, no, I'm straight," and kept it pushing.
It's like they didn't get that the stupidity of the homophobia in the show was poking at the mental gymnastics people have to do in order to hate. The point was that you just point and laugh at the hateful people instead of getting upset and giving them emotional power. The 90s did it with all the istiphobes. Half the time it was just for giggles, the rest it was too show that their hate came from trauma and/or a feeling of hopelessness somewhere in their lives.
I remember that in a episode of FRIENDS Chandler really said jokingly that he will be the first to die,and know what,he predict the future.He was my favourite character of FRIENDS and now is dead... Rest in peace🕊🕊🕊😢
I was watching the episode where they talk about his gay "quality" when my sister text saying he had passed. As a teen then young adult when Friends originally aired, I feel like the death of Chandler is the death of our youth.
His best role was when he played a teacher who worked in a school in the ghetto part of a city and all the students loved him and valued the importance of education cause of him.
Maybe you could just try and spread some positivity in relation to him instead of using his death as an opportunity to complain about lgbt stuff. Just a thought
Everyone here trying to avoid the obvious that his trans father was clearly shown as a damaged immoral person that had damaged his son and chandler had to grow through the trauma and make the best of the bad situation. Similar to Rachel’s parents being divorced and her dealing with that trauma .
The whole sequence with the brian guy in chandlers office was some of the best queer representation I've seen. They were just like, people, it was brought up, acknowledged, but not made out to be a huge thing.
Literally as a gay man (with trans friends) me and her are confused by the "homophobia" in Friends. Lol are people really this sensitive that in a comedy where ppl wrongly assumed a character was gay is homophobic? It would be homophobic if they actively disrespected him (assuming he was gay)
its the joke and/or its punch line not the location that would make it homophobic. a joke about someone realizing they are in a gay bar is not homophobic, its their reaction to that knowledge that is. a someone realizing that the person they had been drinking with is attached to them, isn't homophobic, if done right, ok maybe friends isn't the show to do it right.
Learning from history and trying to do things better isn’t a “snowflake”. Anyone who isn’t a sensitive crybaby doesn’t have to constantly bash others for being a “snowflake” and just accept some criticism. I mean god damn
I think you have some issues. The show wasnt this or that. It actually brought more attention to topics some people were afraid to talk about. What Matt wanted to be remembered for was the way he helped others with alcohol or drug problems. Dont make that wish be turned into your own mission. It was clear what he meant.
I'll think about him whenever I see "Palm Olive" in the stores... For context, Chandler was going to wash the cranberries with dish soap, but Monica stopped him in a sweet and joking manner. His response? "Clearly, you've never tried my Palm Olive Potatoes."
To be fair he stood up for himself, its not that he's homophbic, but he just wasn't gay, nor did he want to pretend he was. Can you imagine how mad someone would be if he did act gay but wasn't? I think he did what he should of. Its not fair to judge him for something he wasn't ok with.
I never realized how much I truly loved this guys personality he was genuine and real with values and morality r.i.p you will always be a legendary figure in reality and behind the scenes of the camera
I am gay but I am against having someone being forced to do something that is not personally for them. Matthew is straight, and that is fine. I don’t like how they have to force his character into something that the actor can be made fun of and something that the actor is not. :(
@watchdogj Why do you people always need to argue. I stated fact. And here you come along, and post nonsense. Example, bark. The skin of a tree, and the noise a dog makes. Fall. A season, and when something drops. Phobic in the sense of transphobic means only fear. So try again.
Unfortunately, this is *gay* news, not *straight* news, and the LGBTQ community doesn't care about people like you, since you go against the supposed *rules* of the community, I'm sorry
He was an incredible human being. He lived like many of us live. We want ❤ in everyone's heart, but that's not possible. It breaks ours. Gay, straight, bisexual.... doesn't matter. Then, when called out for our hurt, we are made fun of it 😢
This is what people do when famous people die, the sadness is connected to whatever media that person was in because we don’t actually know them. I don’t personally partake but I get it, I guess.
The guy you’re replying to didn’t advocate for taking away anyone’s ability to do or believe anything. They just said believing something is problematic and said to imagine if the world didn’t arbitrarily hate people bc they like the same gender. I do have to agree with the person you’re replying to btw, as there’s no benefit gained by anyone anywhere by hating gay people. Hating gay people (and especially acting on it, which is the where I have issues) only serves to create negativity both in the life of the person hating and people who the hatred is targeted at. Lastly, I urge you to look into the “paradox of tolerance” as many philosophers come to the same conclusion over and over again that being tolerant means not being tolerant towards intolerance. A truly tolerant society cannot allow intolerance to fester or breed from within unless said society is to become complicit in such intolerance, therefor rendering it no longer a tolerant society.
I thought the show was very progressive as far as the lgbtq community. They showed Carol marry her girlfriend, everyone thought chandler was gay at first and didn’t care and Chandler’s dad was trans in a time when it wasn’t very common and people didn’t know how to behave. Chandler himself didn’t like it at first because people made fun of him for his dad’s behavior. He did end up accepting his father for who they were.
His father isn't trans. He goes by Charles and is called dad. He's a drag queen that just went drag all the time as part of the gag. But I completely agree with the rest of your comment.
He also refused to let Chandler cheat on Monica- he made the writers change the script❤ I'm so sad he's gone
I didnt know that. It would be a disappointment for me, if they cheat on each others. Only toxic people cheat on each others.
WHAT. Their my two favorite characters and my favorite couple. So glad they changed it
Im so glad he convinced them! I dont want Chandler to be like Ross. Cos cheating is out of character for chandler!
@@Oscar.224 Well, Ross thought they were broke up with Reachel. So technically wasnt cheating. But you are right. I could imagine first that Reachel and Ross cheating, then Monica and Chandler. Well Monica maybe, but not on Chandler. She would do it in a different relationship.
OMG I read it as 'glad' instead of 'sad'-- I had to back read so many times.. It was so passive-aggressive 💀💀
I always saw his relationship with his father as not him loathing his father due to their sexual/gender identity, but because they were absent and neglected him and his mother, instead going off to be promiscuous with strangers (and their family maid).
Yes same. Im sure if Chandlers dad was just “normal” with his identity Chandler would have been almost fine. Its not that hes doing drag, its what he does with it.
You cam just say "he" my guy
Yeah I think that’s the bit
@@bigisrick no
@vallennes no. You can. It was literally a man in a dress lol. Did you not know that? It's the whole point of the joke.
RIP Matthew. You will be missed by so many. You were a talented amazing actor. Thank you for being an iconic advocate for the LGBTQ+ community.
Did you hear how Matthew Perry during his addiction would steal his costars panties? He would sniff them in his personal trailer on set and pull on himself. Dude was a legend for that.
@@ledflaplin2001you spelled “sexual predator” wrong
@@JocelynBondulous I mean it’s kinda awesome. I wonder which chic smell was his favorite?
How did this comment summon every piece of trash in the vicinity? These comments are gross🤢
@@seraphim9906 what’s wrong with what he did under his addiction. Addiction makes people do weird things like sniff women’s panties.
We must talk about the fact that the man who wrote all these "homophobic" scenes is gay himself and was the first person to write an LGBT wedding on prime time television in the 90s
Are you talking about the nuance of 90s pop culture into a conversation in 2023? Preposterous! 😉
Other people have said one of the writers was a woman as well, and she regretted the writing of Chandler's dad. So, nuance is important, but let's not forget that gay and straight people can mess up and do better. The writer even said WE in one of her statements which I'm assuming means her and the gay writer. They may not have been homophobic, but that doesn't mean they can't be criticized.
Gay people are not immune to being homophobic or perpetuating homophobic stereotypes. A lifetime of growing up in a world like that will make you internalise a lot of sh*t, just because someone is gay themselves doesn't mean they can do or say whatever they want. Source: Am a lesbian
@@Unknown-dp1to THIS!
you ever heard of internalized homophobia? gay people can be and do homophobic things
His dad wasn't trans, he was a drag queen. There was a time during the movement when one was admonished for not knowing the difference. Now the terms are conflated.
Or maybe, just maybe, the show choosing a cis woman to play the character proves that mainstream media at the time had no clue nor interest in the distinction between the two. Also, overall the past Pride movement was way more conflating : in ballroom, "the girls" were either femme gays, crossdressing or trans full-time, "transvestite" was used both to designate an act or a tendency, etc. If anything, a hard-line distinction between drag as an art form and trans as an identity is way more established in the current mainstream than it was at any - which is neither a good or a bad thing.
@@bokarndiaye323 My guess is you're young and you never actually spoke to drag queens in the 90s. I did, I was there, I was in the culture. So, no.
@@lmoore3567 I mean, great that you lived your life in the 90s. That doesn't make it any easier to defend your position that trans vs. drag used to be that very defined who only grew "conflated" in recent times: especially in the case of ballroom, which I'm most tied to. (Also, yay for dismissing young people. It's anyone's guess how positively you see the "conflation" of trans issues with drag queens...)
@@bokarndiaye323 Were you there? Did you talk to any drag queens in the 90s? Did you hit the club scene at all back then? No? Okay. Drag queens were men. They knew they were men, and wanting to be a woman was considered very taboo. And yes, yay for dismissing the thoughts and opinions of young people. Especially young people who weren't there and didn't live it. The Ministry of Truth always wants to retroactively "adjust" the past. Don't trust anything you read online.
@@bokarndiaye323I’m pretty sure a man plays the mom who is the drag Queen. The blond short woman that got asked “are you the mom or father” is actually his mother. Monica’s dad just got her confused. She’s not the one we’re talking about.
I really don’t think Charles was transgender. I really just think he did drag.
Edit: I am trans
The writers didn't know the difference, but it's heavily implied that she's a trans woman
@@LeftPhilip as a trans person myself I don’t see it sorry
definitely a drag queen.. they said what they meant.. his dad has a vegas show.. i think it was only to add to the silliness that his dad wore the drag on the regular.. then again, how many drag queens do y’all know that wear drag off stage and out of the club.. a bunch i suspect.. no way they had any understanding of trans. they just didn’t want to or couldn't hire a real queen in the role.
Chandler’s dad did drag. He was not trans. If you watched the show through the years you’d know this fun fact.
I'm pretty sure it was post established that she was trans but there has long been a confusion of the two. Lily Simpson has a great video on the character and this topic.
As a gay that has watched all of friends it is not at all homophobic! I don't know why everyone says it was.
Woah this thing blew up! Sorry I'm not replying to any comments.
Hey I'm with you. It's actually very progressive for its time. Although who the hell uses "gay" as a noun? 😭
Why don't you ask them after all everyone deserves to know, am I right??
So they can cry about it.
@@jedibateman9452 not the message here. You are not this comment's target audience.
Agreed
as a lesbian me and the rest of the lgbtq+ community will miss him dearly, rip matt and rest easy :(
As a pansexual I agree, we will miss him, and I also miss his pans that am attracted to 😢
@jadenHESS-gv2jogo away with your silent judging- "Jesus loves you" as a cover-up for "you're going to h3ll" take your backhanded compliments elsewhere (he has gone through and commented this on every message in this comments section and replied "Jesus loves you" anytime someone said they're gay) hail Satan❤
Just because you're a lesbian doesn't mean you can speak for the rest of the alphabet community.
@@applecidervinegar1650 a shit ton of gay people, and other members of the lgbtq+ loved and adored him like if u scroll down you will see people talking about it but ok 🤷♀️
@@idkmannnnnnnn that's the people in the comments, they too don't represent everyone. And not all I've seen are positive comments. It's not possible every alphabet person thinks the same.
I'm sorry but the "And there's daddy." Got me WHEEZING..
Yes that was so funny I can’t !!!😂😂
Same. The sass was to funny.
No need to be sorry
Chandler was not homophobic or transphobic his dad was a drag queen which is not transgender. Chandler was straight and called gay and felt offended that they thought he like guys. I bet you’d be offended if people walked up to you wearing a pride flag saying oh where’s your wife or anything like that, I’d bet you’d be offended that somebody make that assumption
It’s not offensive for people to think you are something you’re not. What’s offensive is people dehumanizing you & reducing you to your sexuality & not just that but also wondering about your sexuality like they’d wonder about what you favorite food or drink is because it isn’t anyone else business other than your own. It’s incredibly weird to be that invested in someone else’s life that you’re (in general) wondering who’s in someone’s sheets. If someone though I was straight, gay, bi, pan or whatever, I wouldn’t care because there’s nothing wrong with any of the things mentioned therefore I shouldn’t be offended about people’s foolish assumptions that they should even be assuming or thinking about in the first place.
He also stood up very stoically for the dignity and fair treatment of those fighting addiction. Bless this good man, and may he rest well.
It's an unnatural degenerare behavior, how can you say about yourself that you are a man when you are gay?? You insult your manhood by what you do
Why do people say that Friends was homophobic? They were actually pro-gay for their time. It included a lesbian couple that had a prominent role in Ross's life and they even showed a wedding, I think the first gay wedding on tv. The gay jokes were all made with good intentions and it's never viewed as a bsd thing on the show. People talkin out their ass.
Not to mention it was the first episode
Because its a relatively old TV show, so people just assumed it would be.
jokes can be made with good intentions and still have homophobic undertones. a joke rooted in homophobia can come from someone who doesn’t actually have anything against queer people
It was more about them being used as jokes and not actual people with plots. Ross’s ex wife was just a “lesbian” that’s it. Every time they showed someone who wasn’t straight, it was always about them being gay or whatever. They never really had regular conversations
@@yaneyrydelfin5959 wasn't there a huge part involving his ex wife helping him with the fact he was gonna have a baby? Like yeah they're not amazing examples, quite cliché, but they weren't harmful
It's in his rights to say no.
@jadenHESS-gv2jo Astaroth be with you to demolish your enemies and may the sleeping God never wake!
Oh for God’s sake! He wasn’t being homophobic - Chandler is just not GAY! It’s not homophobic to not be gay! 🤦♀️
Yeah apparently it's fine for someone who's gay to say "ewww" when someone mentions dating the opposite gender, but if someone straight does it it's homophobic 😑
I don’t think they are saying he was homophobic because he refused to do the scene. I think that he was NOT being homophobic because he refused to do a scene where the butt of the joke is that people are mistaking a heterosexual man to be homosexual, as in it’s funny because it’s an insult to be thought of as gay. At least that’s what I took from this.
@@NoName99939Oh, maybe. I thought they were accusing Matthew himself of being homophobic for refusing to do a gay romantic scene on screen... but you do have a good point. Perhaps your interpretation is what they meant.
Clearly none of those actors are/were homophobic. Matt, Matthew or David, I mean. They were all willing to have emotional scenes with the other male characters, with crying and even hugging each other for comfort. Men who are homophobic would never want to do that, because they'd be 'scared of the world labelling them as gay' (even though it's just acting).
These days, that isn't as much of a concern... but back in the 90s, homophobia was much more rampant. The thought police wouldn't allow gay couples in mainstream TV shows or films - the hatred was insane, and those TV shows or films would be thrown off the air.
The hatred for LGBTQIA characters in movies and TV shows still exists in the public, of course (in 2024), but these days most people just ignore that sort of whining. We KNOW that Matt Wilson is not gay just because he plays a gay man on TV (Australian actor who is straight but plays a gay man on the TV show 'Neighbours' - including kissing scenes with his husband and all), but even if he was really gay in real life, we wouldn't care anyway. Because there's nothing wrong with that.
And incidentally, Neighbours has a transgender character, too - played by a transgender woman! Her real life story is woven into the backstory of the development of the character. She's been around for about 4 years now - a very popular character. :)
Having gay jokes doesn't make them homophobic
Rest in peace Matthew Perry, you will be missed
Exactly this is people cashing in on his death.
@@LightingSparks82 oh no! People posting about people that matter to them! What a bad thing
He loved us LGBTQ ppl and loosing him was one of the worst blows I've had in a while as a friends fan and bisexual. RIP MATTHEW WE LOVE YOU 🥹🥺🫡
LGBTQ 🤡🤡🤡🤡
@azzazaaz254ah yes sexuality police at it again LOL
@azzazaaz254who cares if he’s bisexual why pick when you can just have more options 😎
@azzazaaz254 what’s confusing about I am attracted to both genders it’s that simple
@azzazaaz254your bigotry is foolish 👎
As a heterosexual, there is no reason for me to hate other people for their partner preference, because it is not my life? I can’t tell anyone else how to live or who to love. That’s their choice.
Fuck yeah
Good on you.
As a bisexual trans person who sees a lot of homophobia and transphobia, thank you for reminding me that there are nice people like you out there :)
Flawed logic. There are tons of things we are opposed to people doing even though it's not our life.
Child mutilation is not something to be respectful of
Charles Bing isn't trans. He's a gay drag queen, who's drag name is Helena Handbasket.
I wasn't a big fan so I never knew that but I'm glad I do now because Helena Handbasket is *such* an iconic name. I love it. 😂
“Handbasket” is such a ridiculous name 💀
@@totalnonstopactionrivals6811 that's the point. It's a play on words with the phrase "hell in a handbasket".
@@fawful94 never heard of that before
None of this was homophobic...
Matthew Perry was also a Christian. Proof that whether we agree or disagree in life, we can still all respect one another!
Disagreeing with someone’s right to exist as themself for sexuality or gender is not valid under any circumstances. Hate how thinking gay people should be treated like outcasts and scum is seen as just a “disagreement” when in reality it’s hatred and bias that shouldn’t be tolerated. There is no middle ground to be had debating someone’s existence.
@@Twink6629-lg3te?? that’s not what the comment said at all. Not agreeing with someone is not the same as treating them like dirt at all. There is an extreme difference between disagreement and hatred.
@@StaticLimes "not agreeing" with someone being LGBTQ+ is just a nice way of saying you're homophobic. You can't "disagree" with a person's identity because it's not a matter of opinion.
@@theroyaljules39 you can accept a person for who they are without endorsing all of their actions. I personally support the LGBTQ+ but I can understand not being hateful while not endorsing it
@@beegdawg you disagree with AH’s identity as… what? A human? A man? Heterosexual? White? Because those are all objective facts. It’s actually really important to recognize that AH and n*zis in general are just as human as you and I. Racism is a human concept and only humans are capable of it. We can’t fight it if we can’t acknowledge that anyone is capable of it
Mathew Perry will forever be in our memories. I learned English watching friends. RIP.
He refused to be labeled gay for comedy. Whether he was or wasn't is his business. Not everything has to be about you, Dorothy.
Nobody thought he was gay outside of friends and his character. Y'all taking this too serious. 😂
Guy was a living L
@@Mud_MonkeyNFT profile picture, opinion invalid
@@Mud_Monkeywhat?
@@silentghost751 he’s now a dead L
Never once saw Friends as homophobic
Ok quick thing tho: Chandler's dad wasn't trans. He was just a drag queen.
He was against misinformation til the end Godspeed legend
Didn't see the jab shirt huh. Pushing as told
@@scottrayburn1264the vaccine is safe. Wanting to protect those that aren't able to get vaccinated and immunocompromised people is a great thing. Which you apparently didn't do.
It's a Joke and you got tricked and now may face health problems in the near future. I served this once great Land. You? Let me guess you offered nothing.
@@scottrayburn1264 I'm pretty sure we don't live in the same country dude. Also I literally got my 6th shot yesterday and nothing has happened. Y'all keep claiming we're gonna die on a specific day however y'all have always been wrong. You don't know how vaccines work and are scared however you're also stupid because you don't inform yourself about stuff you have no idea about.
@@scottrayburn1264 PS: you get future health problems from COVID not the vaccine
Y’all are so sensitive those jokes were harmless
Please leave friends alone. Its not something that was made for now... he refused to be a lot of nasty things normal people should refuse to be. He was a good man all round and just as chandler alone he brought joy x
Honey you can be gay it's okay
@LeftPhilip I've known that for 36 years.. but thanks for your reassuring comment random stranger xx
@jadenHESS-gv2jo he didn't make us to judge those he created either... so please... dismount from your high horse..
@jadenHESS-gv2jo he might not have made you gay but he clearly made some people gay. If you believe in God...why are you judging the work HE DID...everyone's made in the image of what God has for them...who are you to say God's wrong in that???
@jadenHESS-gv2jo God is love in any image.. shouldn't that be enough??
So a scene where a strait guy in a gay bar, and the straight guy feels uncomfortable is homophobic now? He’s not hating on the gays, it’s just adding to the joke😂
It wasn't homophobic though.. it's literally a comedy show, and this is coming from an lgbt
Have u watched the show
Can people stop analyzing these old shows and movies through modern lenses?
It's a modern show
@@LeftPhilipIt was made in the 90s,honey that was 30 years ago
hes describing the situation as it happened though so what exactly is the "modern lense"
@@systemaparasitica Mordern lenses is when cultural religion movies comics media, something was once acceptable in its time. Is in a new one and is seen as unacceptable now.
It's like going after people for things that weren't crimes and still aren't, but treating them as if they were.
Like if someone was drinking water from a fountain. And, back then foundation were clean and free to the public. But, now people find it disgusting and filth, even though that person hasn't done it since, year and year ago when it was acceptable, they are publicly shamed and outcast for something that happened because some just didn't like that he didn't get his water from a store.
I guess we shouldn't learn from history ever again 🤷♂️
Friends was a great show and Matthew perry is a legend. Dont start yelling homophobic 🙄🙄
Exactly
He...didn't
He said he wasn’t homophobic though? Did you even watch the video?
You killed me with the “gay news” opening lmal
Not wanting to be mistaken for being gay is not homophobic. Gay people also get angry when you assume they r straight, so r they being bigoted? No.
Three to tango is one of my Fave rom-coms with him . He was a hell of a talent.
Me too ❤
I also enjoyed Fools Rush In 1997
i loved kathleen turner as his father.. best casting ever.
What? So we’re just pulling things out our asses when he can’t defend himself? Ppl are freaking sick and unworthy
“and there’s 𝗱𝗮𝗱𝗱𝘆”
Making jokes about gay people isn’t homophobic. All group get made fun of, it’s not meaning they hate that group. There has always been gay people as part of the tv and film industry and actors wouid know them and be friends with them. Gay people rock and I can’t imagine any of the cast in friends being homophobic
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You can make jokes about gay people obviously, but there is simply making jokes and then there is punching down at a group of people. Humor can be harmful if done wrong.
I’ve never met a single person saying you can’t make jokes about gay people. They are just trying to tell people to do it better, because humor can in fact be a tool to spread misinformation, propaganda, or punching down on people.
@@Twink6629-lg3teI’ve met literally thousands who think you can’t.
@@Twink6629-lg3teno it can't lol humor is the opposite of any negative feeling and no joke is bad just because you're trying to be offended for other people you feeling attacked doesn't give you the power to speak for any gays whether you are or not because that username is clearly trying to hard to not actually be a fake gay persona to spread your misinformation
It was a series where some people thought he was gay and he wasn't. Shouldn't be forced on anyone and doesn't make them homophobic it's a funny joke chill out lol
The problem was more with him being so disgusted and shocked with being accused of being gay and the whole "Haha people thought you were gay!". The Nanny had a straight guy being thought of as gay, and he took it in stride. The joke was more about the shock of the assumed gay guy not actually being gay, because our straight female protagonist was comfortable doing things with him that she wouldn't have done with a straight guy. Not bashing Friends too hard, because that's reflective of how some straight men felt at that time (and now) when people thought they were gay. That however was kinda overdone as a joke in TV. The Nanny was a breath of fresh air compared to Friends (tho i dont want to claim it was perfect because people could have their own problems with it). Of course there's more nuance to the scenes and the jokes being the writers punching up, but yeah.
@Unknown-dp1to I would be disgusted it someone thought I was gay but wasn't, nothing against them it's like I'm disgusted by certain vegetables and will never go there lol people are to sensitive these days
@@amyjones275 Naw bro that's mad weird. Someone saying that they thought you were gay and you being disgusted is nowhere near being disgusted by certain vegetables. I don't even know what about those two things are comparable.
@Unknown-dp1to lol. Obviously, it's not the same thing, but you get what I mean, I don't like the same sex. I met a lot of gays who looked so offended when people thought they were straight. Why is it always a one-way street, ouu it's always the straight people who are the bad guys.
@@amyjones275
I felt like you were going to say something like that lol. I guess because one group has been looked down upon, discriminated against, and criticized more than the others. A lot of gay people take pride in how they present themselves (no pun intended), and while relying on stereotypes isn't great. . . Sometimes, they feel as though you can pick up the signs. That being said, I feel as though people are moving away from that. I can still see gay people being asked if they're straight and them sarcastically replying, "Does it look like I'm straight?" Or maybe act offended but being disgusted is doing too much. Me and another girl assumed my best friend wasn't straight and were genuinely surprised to find out she wasn't. She wasn't disgusted by it, tho. She was just like, "lol, no, I'm straight," and kept it pushing.
Friends was not a homophobic show. Relax. RIP Matthew. You will be missed.
It's like they didn't get that the stupidity of the homophobia in the show was poking at the mental gymnastics people have to do in order to hate. The point was that you just point and laugh at the hateful people instead of getting upset and giving them emotional power. The 90s did it with all the istiphobes. Half the time it was just for giggles, the rest it was too show that their hate came from trauma and/or a feeling of hopelessness somewhere in their lives.
Anachronism is sad. People take the culture of the 90s and analyze through 2023 goggles... it's pretty disgusting.
i read his autobiography after his passing and just sobbed honestly. I wish he could have seen that he was enough
And where is the homophobic part he refused to do?
I don’t see anything that says ”he refused to be homophobic?”
Bro just let him rest in peace .. there are way better things to talk about than this
I remember that in a episode of FRIENDS Chandler really said jokingly that he will be the first to die,and know what,he predict the future.He was my favourite character of FRIENDS and now is dead... Rest in peace🕊🕊🕊😢
crazy how people think thats homophonic
Come on Josh oh my gosh give this guy a break his family is demolished...
It was just a joke in the TV show, is sad cuz he's gone
I was watching the episode where they talk about his gay "quality" when my sister text saying he had passed. As a teen then young adult when Friends originally aired, I feel like the death of Chandler is the death of our youth.
Why can’t people take a joke? It’s a Comedy tv show
Leave this man alone. He didn’t feel comfortable portraying a gay role why is that a bad thing?
His best role was when he played a teacher who worked in a school in the ghetto part of a city and all the students loved him and valued the importance of education cause of him.
Yesss I loved that movie so much!
What movie is this? It sounds extremely similar to something I watched a long while ago.
@@Greenballoffire The Ron Clark Story! I highly recommend
Let’s not monetize on someone’s death
Maybe you could just try and spread some positivity in relation to him instead of using his death as an opportunity to complain about lgbt stuff.
Just a thought
Jack Geller is a mood 😂
Everyone here trying to avoid the obvious that his trans father was clearly shown as a damaged immoral person that had damaged his son and chandler had to grow through the trauma and make the best of the bad situation. Similar to Rachel’s parents being divorced and her dealing with that trauma .
The whole sequence with the brian guy in chandlers office was some of the best queer representation I've seen. They were just like, people, it was brought up, acknowledged, but not made out to be a huge thing.
That screen doesn't even sound remotely homophobic. Yall get triggered by the simplest shit.
For real, and it's hypocritical that they will say that's homophobic but insulting straight people is apparently okay.
Literally as a gay man (with trans friends) me and her are confused by the "homophobia" in Friends. Lol are people really this sensitive that in a comedy where ppl wrongly assumed a character was gay is homophobic? It would be homophobic if they actively disrespected him (assuming he was gay)
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its the joke and/or its punch line not the location that would make it homophobic.
a joke about someone realizing they are in a gay bar is not homophobic, its their reaction to that knowledge that is.
a someone realizing that the person they had been drinking with is attached to them, isn't homophobic, if done right,
ok maybe friends isn't the show to do it right.
Soooo instead of fussing about it how about we discuss politics instead so everyone can shut up 😊
Bro calm down its a comedy sitcom
Homophobic comedy is Homophobic
Homophobic comedy is comedy aswell
@@arandomhashbrown3756how is this homophobia? Like in what way?
@ultraisaiah7859 To be honest, I think I need more context for the scene in the show itself to know why exactly it is homophobic if it really is.
Nobody cares about what you gotta say he made a wonderful person on the show
Back when people had a sense of humour! Everyone loved it, including gay people! They weren't all snowflakes like the ones now
Learning from history and trying to do things better isn’t a “snowflake”. Anyone who isn’t a sensitive crybaby doesn’t have to constantly bash others for being a “snowflake” and just accept some criticism. I mean god damn
He probably refused cuz he didn’t wanna make the character to look gayer
I think you have some issues. The show wasnt this or that. It actually brought more attention to topics some people were afraid to talk about. What Matt wanted to be remembered for was the way he helped others with alcohol or drug problems. Dont make that wish be turned into your own mission. It was clear what he meant.
I'll think about him whenever I see "Palm Olive" in the stores...
For context, Chandler was going to wash the cranberries with dish soap, but Monica stopped him in a sweet and joking manner. His response?
"Clearly, you've never tried my Palm Olive Potatoes."
What's homophobic about including scenes with gay people?
Thank you for breaking the cycle and standing up when everyone else was sitting❤
I'm gay but I think being trans is pretty un-sciantific
Cuz it is every trans argument contradicts itselft
@@Mrpicketno it doesn’t. Gender is a spectrum and depends on how much estrogen and testosterone you were exposed to as a baby.
I don’t get it. How is him refusing to be in a gay scene relevant?
All decent human beings refuse to be homophobic
Never ever ever - use my man Matthew to push your nonsense
He also refused to make Chandler cheat on Monica
To be fair he stood up for himself, its not that he's homophbic, but he just wasn't gay, nor did he want to pretend he was. Can you imagine how mad someone would be if he did act gay but wasn't? I think he did what he should of. Its not fair to judge him for something he wasn't ok with.
You talk about him now after he passed?? How desperate are you?
Oh my goodness so important, we dont care
Oh shut up you're the one who scrawled on the video and cared enough to commit
Friends is one of the few reasons why I’m not mad to be old af. I LOVED watching each episode every week. It was wonderful, RIP Chandler Bing ❤
I never realized how much I truly loved this guys personality he was genuine and real with values and morality r.i.p you will always be a legendary figure in reality and behind the scenes of the camera
I am gay but I am against having someone being forced to do something that is not personally for them. Matthew is straight, and that is fine. I don’t like how they have to force his character into something that the actor can be made fun of and something that the actor is not. :(
Phobic means fear. Why do these people always call people phobic, when they disagree with them?
Or just simply are straight? Idk either 🤷🏼♀️
He is saying that Mathew wasn't homophobic. (Also phobic can mean repulsed by not just fearful of).
@@watchdogj Phobic means fear only.
@@Normal1855 so explain how you can have a hydrophobic surface. A piece of metal or a shoe can't feel fear.
@watchdogj Why do you people always need to argue. I stated fact. And here you come along, and post nonsense. Example, bark. The skin of a tree, and the noise a dog makes. Fall. A season, and when something drops. Phobic in the sense of transphobic means only fear. So try again.
R.I.P Matthew Perry
@notville_please go back to school bro you need it
@notville_ stupid ass bot, it wasn't even something where "didn't ask" would apply 💀
@notville_what a weirdo
Gay news??? It's news for everyone who watch friends... Be more respectful
Unfortunately, this is *gay* news, not *straight* news, and the LGBTQ community doesn't care about people like you, since you go against the supposed *rules* of the community, I'm sorry
But the news is gay related you think straight news would report this? No
Why are you so triggered?
@@jackwhitbread4583 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Holy shit I didn't know he died.. .that's awful, RIP
Way to go Matthew! Also RIP but now you are in Heaven , can’t wait to see you up there ❤🤍🤍
Cry me a river dude 😂 and get your face a few inches away from the camera.
Put your face closer to the camera and speak with more intense seriousness. Youre not intense enough for the gay news.
He was an incredible human being. He lived like many of us live. We want ❤ in everyone's heart, but that's not possible. It breaks ours. Gay, straight, bisexual.... doesn't matter. Then, when called out for our hurt, we are made fun of it 😢
He was such a sweet yet troubled soul, poor guy. RIP 😢💔
Gosh, why are we going to do? He didn’t want to play a scene. Grow up dude seriously get a life.
IS IT ILLEGAL TO BE THIS EARLY?? How y’all got energy at 12:07 IN THE FRICKING MORNINGGG 😭😭😭
Time zones
12am is really not that late. You can also set videos to upload at a certain time. Go back to bed, sleepy.
I thought his dad was a drag queen, not a transwomen
it's indistinct; the character retains the name Charles but performs burlesque under the name Helena Handbasket
I'm a drag boar, want to learn algebra?
He is,
You know what annoys me about this... a great actor is dead, and you're making it about you. Friends was awesome. Chandler was amazing.
This is what people do when famous people die, the sadness is connected to whatever media that person was in because we don’t actually know them. I don’t personally partake but I get it, I guess.
No one is doing that. He’s being honored as an ally.
Since when it’s homophobic when you’re not attracted to the same sex???!
Yet when he was alive yall called him homophobic.... because chandler had a complicated relationship with his parents
Yeah... Chandler had every reason to carry some traumas and he never denied that he used a lot of coping mechanisms to deal with life.
There is nothing wrong with being homophobic. Everyone is entitled to believe how they see fit.
You’re entitled to believe whatever you want. It’s when you act on it and become a nuisance/danger to others that a problem starts
There’s everything wrong with being homophobic imagine how much better the world would be if we all accepted each other for who we are
@@59771006 So you want to take away the ability for people to choose how to believe??? That literally sounds like Hitlers ideology.
The guy you’re replying to didn’t advocate for taking away anyone’s ability to do or believe anything. They just said believing something is problematic and said to imagine if the world didn’t arbitrarily hate people bc they like the same gender.
I do have to agree with the person you’re replying to btw, as there’s no benefit gained by anyone anywhere by hating gay people. Hating gay people (and especially acting on it, which is the where I have issues) only serves to create negativity both in the life of the person hating and people who the hatred is targeted at.
Lastly, I urge you to look into the “paradox of tolerance” as many philosophers come to the same conclusion over and over again that being tolerant means not being tolerant towards intolerance. A truly tolerant society cannot allow intolerance to fester or breed from within unless said society is to become complicit in such intolerance, therefor rendering it no longer a tolerant society.
@@gameinsane4718 Your comment is in vain, everything is incorrect, and not logical.
You are way to sensitive for your own good.
His father wasn’t trans. He was a gay drag performer. It’s like you didn’t watch the show.
I thought the show was very progressive as far as the lgbtq community. They showed Carol marry her girlfriend, everyone thought chandler was gay at first and didn’t care and Chandler’s dad was trans in a time when it wasn’t very common and people didn’t know how to behave. Chandler himself didn’t like it at first because people made fun of him for his dad’s behavior. He did end up accepting his father for who they were.
His father isn't trans. He goes by Charles and is called dad. He's a drag queen that just went drag all the time as part of the gag.
But I completely agree with the rest of your comment.
He wanted this, you can tell he was done. RIP bing
Rest in peace ❤ I love watching friends and chandler was my favorite character. He might’ve been comedic relief but he really brought joy