Thanks for the video. I just downloaded the game a week or so ago, and player numbers are very low when I get to play, so picking a solo class sounds pretty good to me.
@@Rebiffs a list for a party of 6 people would be sweet. I just hopped in and am learning still, but to correlate your 1v1 and and 6v6 tier lists would help me pick a main character that will not suck in 1v1 and perform well in 6v6. Atm i've just been leveling everything :P
@@Longtimer49 honestly tryin to make a list of viable group comps of 6 would take too long for a video, and it would be so niche i think, and literally every wb leader has different opinions on what they think is a meta group that i would just end up pissin off half the server with a video like that xD, but 2-3mans i could deffinately do
@@Rebiffs ooh yea i meant the viability of each class in a team of 6, not a list for 6 lol. like chosen/kotb being really good im guessing for every grp because of auras. which is why im making a chosen next :P
@@jeremybarbic6635 only full burst, can kill a sov shaman before knockdown ends, if it gets past that though you kinda gotta hope for a reset and try again 😂
@@Rebiffs glass cannon shaman may lose to WH, but solo roaming setup wont. For solo setup shaman you run 2 hots (full left and right trees - right tree buffs your 2 hard hitting dots, middle tree buffs your weak hitting dot so minimal dmg loss). You also slot tough talies. With 3 sov, 3 warlord, 3 ranked gear setup, you end on 9500 hp, 980 int (1 of your dots buffs your into by 115 so you still hit cap), 42% crit and 150+ magic power and 600 tough (with tough buff hot running). You also take M1 heal NOT the dmg M1. You're essentially unkillable 1v1, no WH will get through that. 2 hots, rejuv pot, shield pot and hp pot as well as 500 health ticks from the dot that heals + spamming your flash heal on the move. AM similarly excellent, tri spec for puddle, you get 1 extra dot so bit more dmg, you get the 3600 M1 absorb which is insanely good. Great classes and both are the supreme S tier. The other key thing to owning with sham/AM is to know how to open, NEVER cast dots first if you get jumped on, first thing you do is detaunt, ap drain (ap drain doesn't interrupt detaunt), put up hots / pot / shield, knockback and then puddle, spam flash heal as you get distance and only once you have a bit of range do you start dots. If you mindlessly just cast dots when jumped, you will obviously die (and some newer players will do that). IMO best solo roamers in a proper solo roaming setup are: AM, sham, Chosen (no way any tank beats a chosen, they do more spirit dmg than a SM and can reach 1050 stam, tough and strength with 700 hp regen running hp aura, 3x fleshrenders and hp regen warlord/sov pieces). Chosen goes full right tree for disrupt buff and the nice ranged root which is crucial for catching up. You also take the ap regen tactic "Power from the Gods" for infinite ap (which works when you sprint, so you can use sprint like a charge without needing to ap pot). I have all 3 at rr80 in full setups, only thing that wins against any of them is snb IB in reflect/disrupt setup which will own shams. I also have rr80 WE (def setup) and WH (def or offence - prefer offence on WH now, used to prefer def but they nerfed gun healing). WH def is powerful though, won't lose against anything on order, but I prefer my sham personally.
@@Rebiffs any reason why you deleted my comment explaining why a shaman never loses to a WH? no need to get defensive here, its a good vid, just a bit off wrt the best classes in solo play (which are AM, Sham, WE and Chosen)
Well I'm quite noob and casual on the game, and I play thy broken Magus because Tzeentch and dark magic and lore, more than numbers 😅 Everybody told me to spec "melee" Path of Changing, and for that I gradually play less and less because I felt less the wizard side... but here you speak about Magus as ranged class. Was there an update to be less in melee?
@@DanyBod23 you can play it whatever way is most enjoyable to you, I just listed it as ranged because of the archetype. It is a ranged class by default, but you can spec for melee (like the solo build). Just like SH and SW are ranged, but can also spec melee. If you like ranged and you enjoy it more, then play ranged magus, very few people are good enough to where they should be telling others how to play, in fact imo no one should dictate how others play and enjoy the game.
@@DanyBod23 it’s always the worst players crying the most that other people aren’t playing “how they should”. Play however makes you have fun, and you’ll eventually be better than the people telling you how to play :)
@ I said it’s a reference, magus and SH are ranged classes, but have melee builds, in response to you asking why I put them in ranged category as a ranged class. No matter how you spec either class, they are still a ranged class. I can spec full ballistic skill on a chosen, but it’s still a melee class.
@@Rebiffs lol I didn't ask you why you put them in ranged cathegory. I asked if an update has been made to be less in melee. Because you too finaly say solo = melee, months after I stoped. So I see this didn't change, Magus still OP solo but in melee, so meh. Learn to read, have fun
@2:10 "when you parry you get a guarnateed parry". i guess you mean the "absorb" after parry or block? also, do you stack/cap your parry with initiative as main stat?
no the tactic called Impeccable Reactions at 37, when you parry, you get a guarantee parry on the next attack as well, every 5 seconds, broken skill for solo
have they fixed the egregiously long sov/bis gear farm where u get to jump into end game SCs as a fresh and play against decade-old full bis toons constantly? It's such a garbage, antiquated system for how strong end game gear is relative to fresh players. It's a hard sell when I can hop onto retail wow, get geared in 1/12th of the time and play snappier, more modern and skill based pvp. Don't get me wrong I loved AOR/ROR but the juice was never worth the squeeze to stick around imo.
@@Rebiffs I patched last night hopped on, annnnnnnd now im back to retail wow. These devs are braindead apes that have effectively squandered their own game. I've tried to bring friends into this game over the years and they all quit at max because of how garbage the grind is.
@@Rebiffs its one of big reasons all the noobs quit. and also even some veterans quit because after maxing first toon they cant be bothered to do it again. sucks the devs are dumb, it could EASILY be atleast 10x more population if they did some basic quality of life.
yeah i solo lvled on my bright wizard, felt pretty weak. Got into a hard pq with a rune priest who was 4 lvls lower than me. We 2manned the hard public quest, defeated "lord" minions together, after thatt i struggled with 2 white mobs.
Well, as far as I remember, a several of months before the server closed, the top six classes were like this: DoK+Shaman or Zealot+Sorceress+Chosen+Choppa+Squig Herder Although, I don't remember who we took as the sixth player, but we took the first 5 classes in 100% of cases for PvP scenarios and in Warbands. Maybe we also took Marauder as the sixth class for scenarios. And mirror classes for Order.
So I recently started playing and after getting lots of destro classes up to 15-20 I decided to go with Magus, he's now 40/59 and I don't see how you can put Magus up there, maybe I'm not playing it correctly? But I'm not in the single target spec due to renown farming with aoe, but engineers seems to do more damage than my magus and the amount of disrupt that tanks/healers have just makes me do nothing. Any tips? :P
@@Rebiffsmy buddy and I just picked this game up and we want a good comp for playing as a group of 2 and or 2vX. It sounds like Magus + Shaman would be a good comp if we want to X larger groups as a 2 man group??
dang it would be fun to play a warrior priest and be a pve dungeon healer but i donno. downloaded and logged in and not sure that is something you can realistically do on ror
horrible list, chosen is by far the best tank, significantly better at closing the distance despite no m1 root or m2 leap, reason is chosen has infinite AP with tactic, so you can use sprint freely as youll regen AP as you run to target + you spec the renown sprint, no SM is beating a chosen lol
@@kr5335 its pretty much the same, except dok/wp move up significantly since youll probably be able to hit things and not be kited to death, assuming its not 2 ranged kiting them lol
When I leveled my SnB IB I went full defensive, which wasn't bad, but BiS gear is gonna be offensive: 5 warlord, 2 off sov, 2 vic. Vs snb tanks and healers I would recommend jewels that grant you weapon skill, but generally fleshrenders are good for almost every situation. You should aim for around 600+str and 700+ weapon skill unbuffed, so rr 5 weapon skill, 3 str, 2 fs, 3 block, speed Buff (or 4 block with no speed buff), 1 ini. Weapon is offensive fortress and fortress shield.
I think people saying dps WP or DoK are memes just haven't seen a good player. Granted, a good player makes any class shine more than a bad one, but I have seen a few WPs top the dps charts in RvR and SCs. I haven't personally played either, so I dont know how much of that is fluff damage, but ive personally played with a few full BiS 2h WPs in SCs and they've carried the wins in many instances. It helps alot of theyre 1) the group leader and assists are coming out, and 2) they're apt at their class and can offheal nesrly as good as a full heal spec while somehow pulling heavy damage numbers.
I don't think shaman can beat SnB IB 1v1, or at least I haven't found any that can (same for AM). The regen SM's I've fought haven't been stronger than the average chosen. Magus can be scary, but I don't know if it can beat SnB IB... maybe if the IB is caught by surprise with burst...
@@Gilgamthedawi there isn’t a single good solo shaman is why, they out range you, same with SM. If major, hoeth, or a couple other SMs come back you’ll see how broken they are, but in no world should snb IB ever be able to even catch a shaman, if equal skill shaman never lets you within 45 range.
if u actually watched the video i explained that they could be higher, but for reasons i put them lower, if u really want and you honestly think they should, duel me and prove me wrong on them ;) and choppa is far from one of the best, id agree before weaponskill changes though. same with WL
@@Rebiffs you only needed 3.. the tank/dps/healer.. nevermind with bothering with that, now i know you don't think a tier list is a guide for others, whatever you think it is.
My friend and I just started a week ago. I'm trying to understand why this game has the hype that it does and why people are so dedicated. It's like runescape 2 graphics but not as polished. I get stuck on things in the environment and it feels glitchy. A lot of the animations are pretty bad like everything to do with the mounts. Tsrgetting is pretty bad. It seems people like this game for open world PvP? Elder Scrolls online has open world pvp, better graphics, and has active combat mechanics like you can block and dodge roll in real time. Can someone tell me why WarHammer is preferred over other more polished MMOs
@@007-spideysense Elder Scrolls online is the most laggy game that i have ever played, this is a private server and not even close to the lag you get in ESO
@Rob-ph6sh elder scrolls online is only laggy in Cyrodil during peek peek hours for the most part. And that's mostly a server issue. Warhammer feels completely unpolished or unfinished
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Thanks for the video. I just downloaded the game a week or so ago, and player numbers are very low when I get to play, so picking a solo class sounds pretty good to me.
Walking away from a fight is a loss, therefor KotBS is King.
😂
no need to walk, alot of ppl cant kill you if you stand still afk
Something about going full oonga boonga mode that just hits the spot
Good list, haven’t played this since release I had no idea it was still an option. I loved the classes and mechanics
IT'S F'IN FUN TOO I CANT STOP. I quit Throne and Liberty because this is just a better version of the same game.
Hey. Can you or will you do more guides about RoR? (Iam new player)
Thank you for video
@@Neit-s6g I am :)
Thanks for the video. Coming back after a break and surprised to hear Magus is so good now. Which build for solo magus? Rip to my blackguard.
What is the difference between WE and WH since they seem to be the same on paper?
Hey this helps alot ty. Any chance you could slap together a group tier list aswell?
i was thinking of doing a duo tier list, or do you mean a full group?
@@Rebiffs a list for a party of 6 people would be sweet. I just hopped in and am learning still, but to correlate your 1v1 and and 6v6 tier lists would help me pick a main character that will not suck in 1v1 and perform well in 6v6. Atm i've just been leveling everything :P
@@Rebiffs lol, i wrote this then i saw you got a new video up. tyvm :P
@@Longtimer49 honestly tryin to make a list of viable group comps of 6 would take too long for a video, and it would be so niche i think, and literally every wb leader has different opinions on what they think is a meta group that i would just end up pissin off half the server with a video like that xD, but 2-3mans i could deffinately do
@@Rebiffs ooh yea i meant the viability of each class in a team of 6, not a list for 6 lol. like chosen/kotb being really good im guessing for every grp because of auras. which is why im making a chosen next :P
What WH spec beats sham? My Wh is only 60 but still get kited to death, or I have to bail.
@@jeremybarbic6635 only full burst, can kill a sov shaman before knockdown ends, if it gets past that though you kinda gotta hope for a reset and try again 😂
@@Rebiffs glass cannon shaman may lose to WH, but solo roaming setup wont. For solo setup shaman you run 2 hots (full left and right trees - right tree buffs your 2 hard hitting dots, middle tree buffs your weak hitting dot so minimal dmg loss). You also slot tough talies. With 3 sov, 3 warlord, 3 ranked gear setup, you end on 9500 hp, 980 int (1 of your dots buffs your into by 115 so you still hit cap), 42% crit and 150+ magic power and 600 tough (with tough buff hot running). You also take M1 heal NOT the dmg M1. You're essentially unkillable 1v1, no WH will get through that. 2 hots, rejuv pot, shield pot and hp pot as well as 500 health ticks from the dot that heals + spamming your flash heal on the move. AM similarly excellent, tri spec for puddle, you get 1 extra dot so bit more dmg, you get the 3600 M1 absorb which is insanely good. Great classes and both are the supreme S tier.
The other key thing to owning with sham/AM is to know how to open, NEVER cast dots first if you get jumped on, first thing you do is detaunt, ap drain (ap drain doesn't interrupt detaunt), put up hots / pot / shield, knockback and then puddle, spam flash heal as you get distance and only once you have a bit of range do you start dots. If you mindlessly just cast dots when jumped, you will obviously die (and some newer players will do that).
IMO best solo roamers in a proper solo roaming setup are: AM, sham, Chosen (no way any tank beats a chosen, they do more spirit dmg than a SM and can reach 1050 stam, tough and strength with 700 hp regen running hp aura, 3x fleshrenders and hp regen warlord/sov pieces). Chosen goes full right tree for disrupt buff and the nice ranged root which is crucial for catching up. You also take the ap regen tactic "Power from the Gods" for infinite ap (which works when you sprint, so you can use sprint like a charge without needing to ap pot).
I have all 3 at rr80 in full setups, only thing that wins against any of them is snb IB in reflect/disrupt setup which will own shams. I also have rr80 WE (def setup) and WH (def or offence - prefer offence on WH now, used to prefer def but they nerfed gun healing). WH def is powerful though, won't lose against anything on order, but I prefer my sham personally.
@@Rebiffs any reason why you deleted my comment explaining why a shaman never loses to a WH? no need to get defensive here, its a good vid, just a bit off wrt the best classes in solo play (which are AM, Sham, WE and Chosen)
@@Rebiffs not true, if shaman goes dual hot dps build with toughness, you won't come close to killing a shaman lol
Well I'm quite noob and casual on the game, and I play thy broken Magus because Tzeentch and dark magic and lore, more than numbers 😅
Everybody told me to spec "melee" Path of Changing, and for that I gradually play less and less because I felt less the wizard side... but here you speak about Magus as ranged class.
Was there an update to be less in melee?
@@DanyBod23 you can play it whatever way is most enjoyable to you, I just listed it as ranged because of the archetype. It is a ranged class by default, but you can spec for melee (like the solo build). Just like SH and SW are ranged, but can also spec melee. If you like ranged and you enjoy it more, then play ranged magus, very few people are good enough to where they should be telling others how to play, in fact imo no one should dictate how others play and enjoy the game.
@@DanyBod23 it’s always the worst players crying the most that other people aren’t playing “how they should”. Play however makes you have fun, and you’ll eventually be better than the people telling you how to play :)
@@Rebiffs " spec for melee (like the solo build) "
Then you too say Solo build = Melee...
@ I said it’s a reference, magus and SH are ranged classes, but have melee builds, in response to you asking why I put them in ranged category as a ranged class. No matter how you spec either class, they are still a ranged class. I can spec full ballistic skill on a chosen, but it’s still a melee class.
@@Rebiffs lol I didn't ask you why you put them in ranged cathegory. I asked if an update has been made to be less in melee. Because you too finaly say solo = melee, months after I stoped. So I see this didn't change, Magus still OP solo but in melee, so meh.
Learn to read, have fun
@2:10 "when you parry you get a guarnateed parry". i guess you mean the "absorb" after parry or block?
also, do you stack/cap your parry with initiative as main stat?
no the tactic called Impeccable Reactions at 37, when you parry, you get a guarantee parry on the next attack as well, every 5 seconds, broken skill for solo
Why was "You wot?" removed?
Love it.
Also, any good resources for builds and gear prio for these classes?
@@maggyinahat not yet, all tanks build the same relatively gear wise, but for dps and heals it’s completely different
have they fixed the egregiously long sov/bis gear farm where u get to jump into end game SCs as a fresh and play against decade-old full bis toons constantly? It's such a garbage, antiquated system for how strong end game gear is relative to fresh players. It's a hard sell when I can hop onto retail wow, get geared in 1/12th of the time and play snappier, more modern and skill based pvp. Don't get me wrong I loved AOR/ROR but the juice was never worth the squeeze to stick around imo.
@@JamesDeanoli no and they never will sadly, the devs openly state they want it to take months to grind. Which is absolutely retarded imo.
@@Rebiffs I patched last night hopped on, annnnnnnd now im back to retail wow. These devs are braindead apes that have effectively squandered their own game. I've tried to bring friends into this game over the years and they all quit at max because of how garbage the grind is.
@@Rebiffs its one of big reasons all the noobs quit. and also even some veterans quit because after maxing first toon they cant be bothered to do it again. sucks the devs are dumb, it could EASILY be atleast 10x more population if they did some basic quality of life.
Whats this witch hunter build you speak of :O
Don’t Squig and Shadow Warrior have melee builds? I haven’t played in a long time, but I was curious how those stacked up in pvp
SH are a solid warband AoE dps class while in squigarmor. For SW dunno, believe hes better of single target as melee.
turns out RP is absolutely broken btw, definately moves up to broken tier easily, ranged perma snare with insane healing is retarded
yeah i solo lvled on my bright wizard, felt pretty weak. Got into a hard pq with a rune priest who was 4 lvls lower than me. We 2manned the hard public quest, defeated "lord" minions together, after thatt i struggled with 2 white mobs.
Can you please do a Warband and Scenario tier list please?
@@jeremydriggers308 I will soon
@@Rebiffs that would be awesoooome
Well, as far as I remember, a several of months before the server closed, the top six classes were like this:
DoK+Shaman or Zealot+Sorceress+Chosen+Choppa+Squig Herder
Although, I don't remember who we took as the sixth player, but we took the first 5 classes in 100% of cases for PvP scenarios and in Warbands. Maybe we also took Marauder as the sixth class for scenarios.
And mirror classes for Order.
So I recently started playing and after getting lots of destro classes up to 15-20 I decided to go with Magus, he's now 40/59 and I don't see how you can put Magus up there, maybe I'm not playing it correctly? But I'm not in the single target spec due to renown farming with aoe, but engineers seems to do more damage than my magus and the amount of disrupt that tanks/healers have just makes me do nothing. Any tips? :P
@@nissaren5313 it’s a completely different build, gear, talent setup, you gotta build defensive, regen, and heal
Havent played for a few years, so care to elab further on Magnus?
magus is long range sniper. they also have several warband builds.
Dok solo is underrated
When you refer to the shaman, do you mean he only plays as a healer or DPS?
@@luargambino either tbh, dot and walk away, paired with m1
@@Rebiffsmy buddy and I just picked this game up and we want a good comp for playing as a group of 2 and or 2vX. It sounds like Magus + Shaman would be a good comp if we want to X larger groups as a 2 man group??
dang it would be fun to play a warrior priest and be a pve dungeon healer but i donno. downloaded and logged in and not sure that is something you can realistically do on ror
Warrior Priest can easily solo heal dungeons specced as heal or shield, and is meta for each group in a warband.
@@jrono72 yes obviously the class is capable of that. but didnt find even a single person to play with
@@JR-xp1yr pve is not very popular and its hard to find a full group to do dungeons alot of the time.
horrible list, chosen is by far the best tank, significantly better at closing the distance despite no m1 root or m2 leap, reason is chosen has infinite AP with tactic, so you can use sprint freely as youll regen AP as you run to target + you spec the renown sprint, no SM is beating a chosen lol
Are "Tanks" good in pvp?
@@Tsubaki189 solo or in general? Yes to both
"Mayjus"
Appreciate this. How are the SW and IB building for gear and skills around rank 60 to be successful?
SW - Slot Guerilla training = win
IB if ur goin for deftard snb soloing Conq is gonna be ur best bet up until Bis IMO.
@@Rebiffs thanks man. any interest in doing a tierlist for best 1vX solo roam? is is it basically the same as this list?
@@kr5335 its pretty much the same, except dok/wp move up significantly since youll probably be able to hit things and not be kited to death, assuming its not 2 ranged kiting them lol
When I leveled my SnB IB I went full defensive, which wasn't bad, but BiS gear is gonna be offensive: 5 warlord, 2 off sov, 2 vic. Vs snb tanks and healers I would recommend jewels that grant you weapon skill, but generally fleshrenders are good for almost every situation.
You should aim for around 600+str and 700+ weapon skill unbuffed, so rr 5 weapon skill, 3 str, 2 fs, 3 block, speed Buff (or 4 block with no speed buff), 1 ini.
Weapon is offensive fortress and fortress shield.
@@Gilgamthedawihow do you get Fleshrenders?
A good WP or DoK will murder most melee classes if played well. There is plenty of video showing Wp and Doks doing that very thing.
I think people saying dps WP or DoK are memes just haven't seen a good player. Granted, a good player makes any class shine more than a bad one, but I have seen a few WPs top the dps charts in RvR and SCs. I haven't personally played either, so I dont know how much of that is fluff damage, but ive personally played with a few full BiS 2h WPs in SCs and they've carried the wins in many instances. It helps alot of theyre 1) the group leader and assists are coming out, and 2) they're apt at their class and can offheal nesrly as good as a full heal spec while somehow pulling heavy damage numbers.
I don't think shaman can beat SnB IB 1v1, or at least I haven't found any that can (same for AM).
The regen SM's I've fought haven't been stronger than the average chosen.
Magus can be scary, but I don't know if it can beat SnB IB... maybe if the IB is caught by surprise with burst...
@@Gilgamthedawi there isn’t a single good solo shaman is why, they out range you, same with SM. If major, hoeth, or a couple other SMs come back you’ll see how broken they are, but in no world should snb IB ever be able to even catch a shaman, if equal skill shaman never lets you within 45 range.
thats coz pet broken on WL
WL in C tier? dont think so :) choppa also is one of the best
if u actually watched the video i explained that they could be higher, but for reasons i put them lower, if u really want and you honestly think they should, duel me and prove me wrong on them ;) and choppa is far from one of the best, id agree before weaponskill changes though. same with WL
Makes a guide.. doesn't add time stamps.. L
its a tier list, not a guide, not gonna add 50 time stamps.
@@Rebiffs you only needed 3.. the tank/dps/healer.. nevermind with bothering with that, now i know you don't think a tier list is a guide for others, whatever you think it is.
Shame the game is broken and bugged
Aha.
@RazorbackX99 well it is
My friend and I just started a week ago. I'm trying to understand why this game has the hype that it does and why people are so dedicated. It's like runescape 2 graphics but not as polished. I get stuck on things in the environment and it feels glitchy. A lot of the animations are pretty bad like everything to do with the mounts. Tsrgetting is pretty bad. It seems people like this game for open world PvP? Elder Scrolls online has open world pvp, better graphics, and has active combat mechanics like you can block and dodge roll in real time. Can someone tell me why WarHammer is preferred over other more polished MMOs
@@007-spideysense Elder Scrolls online is the most laggy game that i have ever played, this is a private server and not even close to the lag you get in ESO
@Rob-ph6sh elder scrolls online is only laggy in Cyrodil during peek peek hours for the most part. And that's mostly a server issue. Warhammer feels completely unpolished or unfinished
i see much people play broken things in sov an play like 💩
yeah for sure, especially WHs and SWs, most noticeable on them