hi, quick question would you build the thunder cage around critical hit damage or weak point damage ? I think building around crit is better since it’s a mobbing weapon
I would replace reload focus, focus fire or edging shot with an element module. Elemental damage still benefits from crit chance/damage and even gives chance statuses. put on toxic enhancement cus its kind of the opposite to electric and it'll give a mostly flat damage increase. u could also switch around all 3, depending on the element u need.
You can replace Reload Focus it is our least important mod. Having Elemental Damage does out DPS having Reload Focus with 30% Elemental ATK on a Enemy who isn't resistance to that Element. There are reasons why I don't have a element on the Thunder Cage. Thunder Cage base attribute trigger effect is very low at 4%. Switching elements on paper sounds nice but when you use a crystallization catalyst you are stuck with a specific socket type so you have to choose one of the Element unless you want to use it at 12 capacity cost which is only 17.7% Elemental Damage which will not out DPS Reload Focus which is our weakest module. If you want to check DPS for yourself I have the DPS calculator linked in the description with the numbers shown in the video.
@@TNTFTW1 reload focus for chill enhancement won't require a cry catalyst (for less grinding). Assuming ur fighting a chill boss (which will have weakness to the electric damage innately on TC but I wont take it into account), even with a 50% damage reduction to the elemental damage you will still be dealing greater total dpm than with the reload focus. Using the Dps calc, at a -50% Elem ATK bonus, I got to 32,521,425.37 (total crit dpm), however it suffers less WP total crit dpm at 60,914,043.69 (WP is weird to calc and depends on skill and accuracy etc etc). This is worst case scenario and doesn't take into account the TC electric scaling. Ideally, for best 'flat damage', toxic enhancement will give the most consistency.
@@bluetongue8473For chill bosses their damage reduction is around 80% not 50% (normal mobs have around 7.5% elemental damage reduction for some reason as well) but yes a elemental does out DPM Reload Focus by a few millions if you are not fighting a chill boss. It's about 65 million DPM on a non-chill boss and around 58 million for a chill boss with around 80% damage reduction while Reload Focus is in between the two with 63 million. I like setting and forgetting so I am fine with Reload Focus taking the average but it's worth swapping if you are fighting Molten Fortress or Pyromaniac a lot.
@@TNTFTW1 interesting, I never knew that the elemental damage reduction varied that much, thought it was just 25/50 % increases/decreases. After looking into it a bit there is a bit of varied opinions with the significance of elemental damage, the glaring weakness being the absence of a weak point multiplier. Might have to switch up my build and just use chill for the occasion. there might be some wacky builds u could do with ultimate mods instead tho. tyvm for the feedback
The socket type doesn't matter. You can have many of the same type modules without any problems. The category of what the module belongs to is what matters. Action and Reaction belongs to the ATK category so you can only use one ATK module. Same for Focus Fire it is a Weak Point Strike category you can only have one of the Weak Point Strike module. They are both a different category so you are allowed to use both that's why they are both on my gun. I think the reason why you are unable to use both is because you are out of module space.
Brother, I have the space, I even emptied everything and put action/reaction first and It says that focus fire cannot be added because they belong to the same group of mods. Maybe it's a bug or I don't know. Could you recommend a replacement for focus fire? Thanks for your answer
@@d4nielsponce510 If you want something else besides Focus Fire, you can use Weak Point Detection. If you can't use that then you can slot in a Elemental ATK (Example: Fire Enhancement).
Do you really think the crit chance is really worth to mod on the gun? I mean its only 13.3% i feel like either a elemental or a atk to faction might be better in someway. I get for crit builds but i mean it just feels like a waste. I'm also doing a crit build for it too ofc. What do you think?
There are not really other options besides weak point and increases to firearm ATK. Thunder Cage has 20% base crit with 2x crit damage base stats which is really good for a general rounds weapon. Building around crit is good when your base weapon has good base crit stats.
I think it's worth it, you lose little bit of damage on non-crits but get more chances of getting crits. Crits is where your damage comes from so getting more would increase damage. If you want another option you could use Insight Focus instead of Edging Shot.
New update to build: Use Have Aim instead of Focus Fire, for more weak point damage.
hi, quick question
would you build the thunder cage around critical hit damage or weak
point damage ?
I think building around crit is better since it’s a mobbing weapon
You can do both crit and weak point, crit only takes 4 modules and you can use the rest of the the module space for the 2 weak point modules.
Nice build, glad to see something other than a Tamer being viable.
I would replace reload focus, focus fire or edging shot with an element module. Elemental damage still benefits from crit chance/damage and even gives chance statuses. put on toxic enhancement cus its kind of the opposite to electric and it'll give a mostly flat damage increase. u could also switch around all 3, depending on the element u need.
You can replace Reload Focus it is our least important mod. Having Elemental Damage does out DPS having Reload Focus with 30% Elemental ATK on a Enemy who isn't resistance to that Element. There are reasons why I don't have a element on the Thunder Cage. Thunder Cage base attribute trigger effect is very low at 4%. Switching elements on paper sounds nice but when you use a crystallization catalyst you are stuck with a specific socket type so you have to choose one of the Element unless you want to use it at 12 capacity cost which is only 17.7% Elemental Damage which will not out DPS Reload Focus which is our weakest module. If you want to check DPS for yourself I have the DPS calculator linked in the description with the numbers shown in the video.
@@TNTFTW1 reload focus for chill enhancement won't require a cry catalyst (for less grinding). Assuming ur fighting a chill boss (which will have weakness to the electric damage innately on TC but I wont take it into account), even with a 50% damage reduction to the elemental damage you will still be dealing greater total dpm than with the reload focus. Using the Dps calc, at a -50% Elem ATK bonus, I got to 32,521,425.37 (total crit dpm), however it suffers less WP total crit dpm at 60,914,043.69 (WP is weird to calc and depends on skill and accuracy etc etc). This is worst case scenario and doesn't take into account the TC electric scaling. Ideally, for best 'flat damage', toxic enhancement will give the most consistency.
@@bluetongue8473For chill bosses their damage reduction is around 80% not 50% (normal mobs have around 7.5% elemental damage reduction for some reason as well) but yes a elemental does out DPM Reload Focus by a few millions if you are not fighting a chill boss. It's about 65 million DPM on a non-chill boss and around 58 million for a chill boss with around 80% damage reduction while Reload Focus is in between the two with 63 million. I like setting and forgetting so I am fine with Reload Focus taking the average but it's worth swapping if you are fighting Molten Fortress or Pyromaniac a lot.
@@TNTFTW1 interesting, I never knew that the elemental damage reduction varied that much, thought it was just 25/50 % increases/decreases. After looking into it a bit there is a bit of varied opinions with the significance of elemental damage, the glaring weakness being the absence of a weak point multiplier. Might have to switch up my build and just use chill for the occasion. there might be some wacky builds u could do with ultimate mods instead tho. tyvm for the feedback
Focus fire and action/reaction It won't let me put them in because they are from the same group, any alternative?
The socket type doesn't matter. You can have many of the same type modules without any problems. The category of what the module belongs to is what matters. Action and Reaction belongs to the ATK category so you can only use one ATK module. Same for Focus Fire it is a Weak Point Strike category you can only have one of the Weak Point Strike module. They are both a different category so you are allowed to use both that's why they are both on my gun. I think the reason why you are unable to use both is because you are out of module space.
Brother, I have the space, I even emptied everything and put action/reaction first and It says that focus fire cannot be added because they belong to the same group of mods. Maybe it's a bug or I don't know.
Could you recommend a replacement for focus fire?
Thanks for your answer
@@TNTFTW1Although the same thing happened to me with shooting spree and mental concentration, I couldn't have both despite having space.😞
@@d4nielsponce510 If you want something else besides Focus Fire, you can use Weak Point Detection. If you can't use that then you can slot in a Elemental ATK (Example: Fire Enhancement).
@@TNTFTW1 Thanks for your time brother, you are great
Do you really think the crit chance is really worth to mod on the gun? I mean its only 13.3% i feel like either a elemental or a atk to faction might be better in someway. I get for crit builds but i mean it just feels like a waste. I'm also doing a crit build for it too ofc. What do you think?
There are not really other options besides weak point and increases to firearm ATK. Thunder Cage has 20% base crit with 2x crit damage base stats which is really good for a general rounds weapon. Building around crit is good when your base weapon has good base crit stats.
Is edging shot worth it?
I think it's worth it, you lose little bit of damage on non-crits but get more chances of getting crits. Crits is where your damage comes from so getting more would increase damage. If you want another option you could use Insight Focus instead of Edging Shot.
@@TNTFTW1 True also using shot focus on descendant module might be good to counter the negative.
@@thesecondunfairesteel1755 I think most of the time, you would want to increase your descendant's damage and or increase your defense.
Bullshit
What is?