I think it's better for u to leave your opinion for yourself rather than saying it publicly in your video about whether the Chinese government has indeed favored its own sponsored companies or not. People will still hold on to their opinions regardless. The higher-ups should know what the best is for China's future. Anyways, thanks for the video.
Yea, but unfortunately, many of them are just at the Power Point level. E.g. the Haolong, which has not yet entered the engineering design phase, i.e. long way to go.
@@linesided Well, they copied the compass, paper and inks, toilet paper and paper money, umbrellas, gunpowder, fireworks and firearms, the bow and arrow, silk, the balloon, the kite, the toothbrush, the astrolabe, the seismograph and the compass meter, the abacus, arched constructions, porcelain, the automatic seed drill and the iron plow, steel and exotic metal alloys, acupuncture and the holistic medicine, printing with movable type, etc., etc., etc.
3 are coming to be exact, one from state companies and two from private sector. They aim to recover boosters on their maiden flight, but more reusable rockets are to make their first flight this year and to recover boosters later!
China will continue to do what's best for their nation & people and there really is nothing to stop their technological and science advances which will only accelerate to beyond our solar system. As former ASML Chief Executive Officer Peter Wennink said, "The laws of physics in China are the same as here (Netherlands). The more you put them (China) under pressure, the more likely it is that they will double up their efforts." China invests in infrastructures, technologies and the future, while the USA is busy spending/investing humongous amount of money instigating, provoking, and sponsoring conflicts, wars, and regime change all around the world and neglecting what's best for their nation & people and racking in over and ever bludgeoning US$34.3 trillion debts. How is China going to continue to fund their science & technological advances? Being the 2nd biggest economy in the world, UNLIKE the USA, China does not have 700-1,000 military bases & installations all over the world to operate & to maintain, humongous black budget to spread misinformation & propagandas, enormous amount of money to instigate, provoke, and support conflicts, wars, and regime change all over the world.
Are you snorting fortune cookie crumbs? They are straight up copying everything Space -X is doing. Name one, that's 1 innovation that we can genuinely say is not a carbon copy.
I think we'll only see major commercial Chinese components in government projects when the commercial companies show that they can actually stick to specified timelines. From my perspective, the major difference in progress between Chinese and American space projects is that China launches and progresses on schedule. China appears to have a cohesive plan that is slimmer than the US efforts, but has the essential components falling into place at the right time. It does not seem likely that they will risk upsetting that.
@kumbackquatsta I had a similar question but with aircraft on aircraft carriers. Clearly not as extreme but same issues. It's interesting to see how the folding wing hinge mechanisms have changed over years.
Some exciting news for the short term evolution of Chinese space developments. Comercial competitors face a steep incline, versus state owned companies - both the know-how and state backed financial robustness, make them better positioned for these demanding ventures but, like with NASA, opportunities for comercial suppliers, will surely pop up in the future. Baby steps 🙂
Good report. China seems to be the only country learning from the (good parts) of the NASA/US commercial space development process (don’t get me started on the things we’re still doing wrong….). Your focus on explaning the importance of the commercial RFP process is right-on as well. As you showed the contractor down-select I caught immediately that it was the state-owned companies that made the initial cut, so I’m glad you addressed that head-on at the end. In the US case in 2005 the big US primes opposed the commercial cargo program (COTS) but of course applied for it anyway, in spite of what they considered an unrealistically low contract value. What is not commonly known is that they were told unofficially to not protest the awards given to the two unknown, untested, never-done-anything-yet small fry - Kistler, and SpaceX- who got less than $500m, total, split between them, over 5 years. The primes didn’t, because of the small amount of money (for them), and nothing would come of it, right? Kistler and SpaceX were each just an office, had never built anything, and would both disappear. Well, Kistler did; SpaceX didn’t- and changed Earth history. Best decision NASA ever made in its 66 years history. - Dave Huntsman
Don't you think that SpaceX is a bit hyped up? They seemed to have done well so far but as in any private enterprise whose existence is to maximise profits, being so hyped up may result in a shocking downfall, especially when the competition from China is fierce. Look at Tesla EVs dominance until China's EVs broke through.
@@adamiskandar5107 SpaceX absolutely deserves hype, . They currently have over 7000 satellites in orbit and have launched 130 rockets this year alone compared to China’s 65. Remarkably, SpaceX accounts for 90% of all payloads by weight sent into orbit. While China is still working on replicating the capabilities of Falcon 9, SpaceX has already moved far ahead with development of Starship that is at least 20 years ahead of China’s current technology. Using Tesla as an analogy for China's ability to catch up to SpaceX is not accurate. SpaceX's lead over China in space technology is far greater than Tesla's lead in EVs ever was
Nelson can't do two things at the same time. He can kick or he can scream, but he definitely not kick and scream at the same time. His brain can't handle it. I quote (why would anyone want to go to the dark side of the moon, it is always dark there, nothing to see ". And that is the Director of NASA 😂😂😂
1.8 tons of payload is a minuscule amount. The Dragon from SpaceX can carry 6.5 tons to the ISS. Props to the Chinese having their own space station through. That’s pretty cool.
@@joeperez-marchese1213 You must not be paying attention to the video. China's Tianzhou has a payload of 7.5 tons. They have big cargo craft, but they want a smaller and cheaper cargo craft for flexible mission.
China is smart to embrace the commercial sector, especially if their established aerospace industry is anything like ours here the US. Not mentioning any names. (Boeing!) But on the other hand a vast majority of space start ups don't ultimately succeed.
China's established aerospace industry is different tan anything in the US, it is state owned and does not need to make a profit so everything is automatically 30% cheaper and their focus then becomes making the best product. That also, restricts their thinking a bit and that's where commercial interests help.
@@duy9428thoses are scientific hypersonic drones conceived with high versatility flight paths in mind, base models for future project, 4 years is nothing there are x plane project in the u.s that lasted for decades before being completed (to sometimes give nothing afterward but concepts) or straight up abandonned like the maxwell last year, at least this program continue
Excellent coverage. 2025 is going to be an exciting year for progress on reusable space hardware globally. Looking forward to Dongfang Hour keeping us informed on aerospace happenings related to China. Haolong-1 spaceplane should be reusable, greatly lowering longterm cost. One advantage of a spaceplane on reentry is a much lower G-load profile compared to a capsule. This can be an import criteria for delicate experiments in addition to quick offloading cargo after landing at a specific runway location. The Qingzhou is a good complement spacecraft to have in the fleet, as not all cargo needs returning to Earth. The commercialization of China's space program is positive step, as it hints toward offering services to global partner countries. It should also encourage collaboration of companies, allowing more efficient specialization in certain focus areas.
These Spaceplanes all appear to be based on the earlier DynaSoar3, x20, x40, and x37 designs. All of those underwent development testing to some level, and the x37 is flying now. Payload capacity similar, about 3-tons. These early designs are all based on Northrop falling-body research. Newer materials can make them lighter, thus adding payload weight.
not in the near future, at best far future. SSTO is far less efficient than just a two stage rocket, and accounting for full reusability doesnt really provide any benefits.
China's government space agency, like America's government space agency, has no choice; any government can only go so far before stagnation sets in and innovation declines. The only way to defeat such stagnation and promote innovation is to encourage competition. As America has discovered in its efforts towards this goal, the path forward is highly unpredictable but leads to a way forward.
Any competition in the space industry is welcome because in turn it’s helping other countries to further their ambitions so they don’t be left behind. What China are doing is great because it’s helping the United States have pressure to keep up and remain on the centre stage as the world leading nation, which will in turn force innovation and change which will benefit everyone in the long run from engineering to medical to scientific. We need mutual competition to strike a balance and eventually with enough negotiations work together and unite under one banner, that last one may be a pipe dream but is the ESA a pipe dream?… No
Thank you for the videos. And great there is your UA-cam channel because Chinese space program is not know enough…. Other channels start to speak more about, but still less deeply.
The cargo delivery ships are quit different in requirements than the ships that will launch 10,000 communication satellites. It could make sense to assign it to the long established government groups in order to give them a chance to prove themselves and keep them at the forefront of technology and viable. These government owned groups may be where the government goes for expertise in evaluating contract proposals/bids
Hi, super ultra question for you. Do you feel Chinas version of private spaceflight will be more objective in doing its own things, without trying to undermine the government portion of space? For example Space X is under fire for setting up the framework to ,monopolize space and even prevent NASA from staying in the launch and exploration market. Does China have plans to parallel a government space and private space without a contamination aspect?
With the way things work in China, there is no chance of any private company undermining the government's scope of work. It's quite the opposite, private companies will only be able to develop in areas authorized/encouraged by the Chinese government.
@@DongfangHour That's awesome to hear! I have been more interested China space since the launch of my show. I really think they have great potential, and many rockets!
16,000 usd is not 120 million CNY which is the per-ton value. however accounting for the 1000kg in a ton the usd value per kilogram is closer to 16k usd
China space program is progressing ahead in a steady and continuous manner. China unveils design of Haolong space shuttle for low-cost transport missions. The Haolong space cargo shuttle can be launched by a carrier rocket and dock with the space station. After separating from the space station, it can perform deorbit braking, reentry flight, before landing horizontally on an airport runway. It has large capacities for cargo transport both to and from the space station, excellent flight environment and efficient support for operations. It can further reduce space station cargo transport cost by repeated use. With the existing cargo transportation systems, it aims to establish a safe, reliable, diverse, and efficient cargo transportation system between the space station and Earth. The Haolong cargo spacecraft will lead and promote further breakthroughs and developments in China’s reusable space-Earth transportation technologies.
China is already flying a spaceplane, the Shénlóng (神龙, divine dragon) as a military testbed, similar to the U.S. X-37b. This should offer the opportunity to evaluate any necessary technologies required for a commercial spaceplane.
Tianzhou launch period is 9 month, Shenzhou launch period is 6 month, the astronauts need to take the package food which was frozen for half year is a problem.
This is how Russia does it's ISS program, when US retired shuttle Soyuz was NASA only ferry to ISS for ten years crew/cargo, you will see till 2028 1 Soyuz cargo with 1 US astronaut NASA appreciation of Soyuz, which holds all records with 1700 launches, Russia as had a crew in space for 50yrs
Are capitalist countries mistaken? China is a socialist country. Isn't it the advantage of socialist countries that state-owned enterprises enjoy national advantages? Or is it that capitalist countries cannot compete with socialist countries?
Capitalism is always less effective than socialism. America knows this, which is why they did everything possible to isolate and destroy socialist countries during the 20th century. America was forced to back Communist China against the Soviet Union as the lesser of two evils, hoping they would never reunify.
The state owned enterprises do enjoy national advantages however the difference doesn’t lie in capitalist vs socialist and rather in how decisions for these companies are made. NASA’s funding and directives are guided by the president and congress and have lengthy bureaucratic processes for each and every decision. without the 3 branch system a lot of this process is skipped by these state owned companies. In any case it’s not a flaw of capitalism as “capitalist”/ American companies like spacex do very well with limited state intervention outside funding given for projects. The private capitalist system is great in the sense that private companies don’t require government direction. The difference is government direction hurts American companies and helps Chinese state owned companies That’s because of the problem of how the democratic systems checks and balances sometimes interfere with its agencies vs the more direct control that china has. So again I wouldn’t say it’s capitalism vs socialism it’s just a part of the sacrifice necessary to host the democratic system that we Americans want.
@@Weirdletter There is no democracy in the United States. The American people have never had the final say. They only have one vote to choose one of the two puppets given by the capitalists.
@@Weirdletter At some level, it actually IS capitalism vs socialism. Chinese socialism keeps inflation to a minimum, ensuring that all core services are affordable and accessible. American capitalism likes inflation so line goes up.
As long as China keeps all their work for non-lethal means, hopefully private corporations in China can get onto a level playing field with government unlimited funds by their futuristic mentality & get ahead.
Elon Musk has caused me to think twice about the commercialisation of space development. Maybe the IP would be safer long term with government entities.
That can be a good and bad thing. We got the iPhone by Apple reinventing the smartphone and we got Windows Phones failure by Microsoft not getting any support in a winner takes all market.
This is not true. Lol you are doing the exact same thing of overrating us like we used to do on you. The spirit of cooperation & open source & sharing is still very solid in the west whereas here it's now layers of walls, each app enclose all their info within their on domain, refusing to share them to search engines. I'm honestly very worried about this because it's bad for llms to gather data. Our internet used to be great too, I'm a generation born on that era.
Foldable wings, large flat surfaces... that spaceplane will make the disaster that was the space shuttle look like a success unless (and even if) they have a novel heat shielding solution. Spaceplanes in general, as a concept in rocketry, make for awful rockets and even worse planes...
I congratulate with all due respects most respectfully but it seems to be still a vintage 1960s brute force mentality of vertical flight since Haolong -1's folding wings deploy only after entering orbit a theme also explored by "lunar flight of Starship Troopers", "Imperial shuttle of Star Wars", and Apple TV+ "Foundation" which is ironic since a museum in of Beijing has an anti Satellite rocket on display inside an alcove identical to "Spaceship & Sun" emblem of Asimov's trilogies. Still Shandong or divine dragon spaceplane launched from a Xian H6 which is a jet powered bomber of 1940s design has been proven successful so does a :Haolong -1 take off like a spaceplane from underside of a Xian H-6 or even from an underside of a decommissioned surplus Harbin H5? China is of a Brobdingnagian Population and area balkanized from within analogous to perception of aerosol sprays used to layer over a gigantic maiden's acne zits viewed from upon in front of a dressing table vanity inside a boudoir adjacent to plumbing fixtures since China is upwind from Vancouver Seatle so will it be successful for space tours.
Wonderful video. Do you have a separate channel for US space? It would be nice to have an indept understanding of their space venture from a reliable souce as well. Keep it going thanks
Thanks! I don’t have anything on the US space program, but I invite you to check out videos by Everyday Astronaut, Scott Manley, and many other quality UA-camrs on the topic.
It seems that the state owned companies are dealing with the tried and trusted technology while the private sector work out the finer details of reusable rocketry. When it comes to soft landing of spacecraft, obviously the shuttle glides to a runway in China, but where can the Chinese perform a splashdown?
I wonder what the economics are between: combined parachutes and some guidance rocketry to splashdown within a large lake target vs glide in horizontally to an airport vs vertical landing at a spaceport.
@Stephen-wc8fn There are too many factors. As example exist several Russian estimations from different decades: splash is over expensive, VTL - just expensive, glide to airport - pretty cheap, but still more expensive than once used rocket. Why? Because geography and economical system (Soviet/Russian industry in state property, used only local made resources and parts). This question arrived: - back in 1970s when USSR launched by ~100 rockets per year. Estimations not available in public, exist only references from memories. - back in 1990s, when came capitalism (e.g. resources, like metals, from free got price - before it had no cost). Anyway still was more expensive (existed two projects: of vertical landing and jet-like landing). Interesting fact, Russia tried to sell own projects to 3rd countries, but nobody bought, instead everyone bought classical approach (e.g. South Korea ordered development of classical rocket). - back in 2010s when space became pretty expensive, as result arrived estimations that horizontal landing can be more cheap in situation of at least ~180 launches per year (but there are no such goals). Last two reports from 1990s and 2010 are semipublic.
@ how interesting. Were you in the industry? What’s your view of vtl? China and US commercial launches are dropping big money on vtl, but I just don’t see the advantage over glide.
This video bring out a silly question: What is wrong with simply let the trash from space station being burn up in the atmosphere (instead of spend all the money to bring it back to Earth and THEN toss it into a trash can)?
@@etoiledenoundi It's different. If we design things right, everything will be burned before it reaches to the ground. For plastics, we just ship it to other poor countries and blame them for not dealing with them properly.
Not all is garbage. How to get the results from manufacturing in space, or experiments, etc back to Earth? Every ~6 months 1-2 tons of cargo is returned from ISS. This can include equipment needing refurbishment (spacesuits, etc)
Anyone going into Space is nothing short of Impressive. China does have the resources to get this job done and I am impressed with China's attitude of getting the job done even if it does look a bit like copy cat did it. We all the breath the same air -- and no one thinks twice about it and just go ahead to breath deep to get that O2 into the lung banks. Everybody working on similar looking projects is absolutely intelligent. I would consider this to be a Magnitude of Vectors that will insure that ALL of Humanity will Benefit. Kudos China!
If you just chuck it out, there's a not small chance it will do a full orbit around the earth with you and hit you in the face. You have to spend fuel to deorbit it for it to touch the atmosphere.
It isn't a dumbass question at all : the junk would simply pollute the orbit you're moving on and potentially be hazardous. The way to get rid of it is as they do on the ISS, pack it all up in a Progress cargo that will burn up thereafter in the atmosphere
Any waste chucked out of the station, may or may not come down and burn immediately. They probably stay in the orbit long enought to cause danger to any space craft they hit, as they are travelling at 17,700 miles per hour. Imagine bullets only travel in 1,700 miles per hour.
Commercialization of building and launching spacecraft in China is different from USA’s. USA’s commercialization is afflicted by politic and corruption- less than one handful of companies participate: SpaceX, Boeing, Blue Origin. To date only Space X has been successful.
I'm waiting for the Chinese equivalent of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interkosmos build up your partners for the Chinese Lunar Base. Excellent reporting as I have been following the astonishing pace of CNSA certainly in comparison to the inertia... of NASA!
China's space program suffers from the same problem as NASA, BUREAUCRACY is in trenched and leadership is determined by politics and thus decisions are not technically based, generally poor. Boeing is a great example of this problem in the quasi commercial world. By that few customers and mostly the government.
Talk about your American system! China is not America. Why try to superimpose your American Space Program on the Chinese Program? Even their goals are different. What do you know about Chinese Bureaucracy apart from what is 'parroted' on your 'hate Media'? Or better still, your 'jealous Media'? If the Chinese 'Bureaucracy' was such as you are trying to portray it, China would not have 'left you in the dust' in record time in terms of infrastructure! Within less that 30years, they have made you look like some Third World Country!
the shape of it is far from that of dreamchaser if you actually pay attention and not be delusional. It's like calling the dreamchaser itself a copy of the x-37b just because they are spaceplanes
Yes, yes, no matter what design China is introducing, first of all, it must be stealing other people's design. What, you mean evidence? Look, they all have two wings
Do you think it's easy to copy high tech stuffs? Even you got the whole blue print you still cannot copy it. You need a deep knowledge of space science technologies. Besides the use of composite materials is already a headache. China done a lot of research on composite materials technologies. It's not that easy to copy. You may ask why only China can do it?
@@Phase52012 Says the ignorant that always believes the lies his United States of AmeriKKKa feeds him. China is far ahead and they don't need to flaunt their capability to show you.
Lots of words, lacking in action! Again a lot of pictures but no reality! Believe it when it happens, if ever, they better pull their finger out, because their space program although visionary is still fifty years off the pace. Sorry!
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I think it's better for u to leave your opinion for yourself rather than saying it publicly in your video about whether the Chinese government has indeed favored its own sponsored companies or not. People will still hold on to their opinions regardless. The higher-ups should know what the best is for China's future. Anyways, thanks for the video.
China's space development is incredibly impressive and progressing very fast. Great update Dongfang
Yea, but unfortunately, many of them are just at the Power Point level. E.g. the Haolong, which has not yet entered the engineering design phase, i.e. long way to go.
They are not catching up - they are just copying faster
@@linesided- Don't upset the wumao. 😉
@@linesided Well, they copied the compass, paper and inks, toilet paper and paper money, umbrellas, gunpowder, fireworks and firearms, the bow and arrow, silk, the balloon, the kite, the toothbrush, the astrolabe, the seismograph and the compass meter, the abacus, arched constructions, porcelain, the automatic seed drill and the iron plow, steel and exotic metal alloys, acupuncture and the holistic medicine, printing with movable type, etc., etc., etc.
@@linesided 🤡🤡🤡
Very informative. Your channel deserves more views. You’ve got yourself a new subscriber.
Haolong? Pretty darn long
About 10 meters!😄
HaoLoong 😂 maybe
Good dragon?
@@freezonechannel8639 No, this Hao is 昊, not 好, and it means vast/expansive
😂 epic
Thanks for putting this together for us, well done!
2025 is the year we will finally see a Chinese reusable rocket. Very excited!!!
If we got lucky, we will see the 75km flight test of a reuseable rocket by the end of December.
Don't hold your breath
3 are coming to be exact, one from state companies and two from private sector. They aim to recover boosters on their maiden flight, but more reusable rockets are to make their first flight this year and to recover boosters later!
Thanks for keeping us updated!
China will continue to do what's best for their nation & people and there really is nothing to stop their technological and science advances which will only accelerate to beyond our solar system.
As former ASML Chief Executive Officer Peter Wennink said, "The laws of physics in China are the same as here (Netherlands). The more you put them (China) under pressure, the more likely it is that they will double up their efforts."
China invests in infrastructures, technologies and the future, while the USA is busy spending/investing humongous amount of money instigating, provoking, and sponsoring conflicts, wars, and regime change all around the world and neglecting what's best for their nation & people and racking in over and ever bludgeoning US$34.3 trillion debts.
How is China going to continue to fund their science & technological advances? Being the 2nd biggest economy in the world, UNLIKE the USA, China does not have 700-1,000 military bases & installations all over the world to operate & to maintain, humongous black budget to spread misinformation & propagandas, enormous amount of money to instigate, provoke, and support conflicts, wars, and regime change all over the world.
Very well said, as true as a diamond.
China's military is a 2% tax on the economy. The US military IS the economy.
Are you snorting fortune cookie crumbs? They are straight up copying everything Space -X is doing. Name one, that's 1 innovation that we can genuinely say is not a carbon copy.
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I think we'll only see major commercial Chinese components in government projects when the commercial companies show that they can actually stick to specified timelines.
From my perspective, the major difference in progress between Chinese and American space projects is that China launches and progresses on schedule. China appears to have a cohesive plan that is slimmer than the US efforts, but has the essential components falling into place at the right time. It does not seem likely that they will risk upsetting that.
i'm curious to see how they engineered folding wings/hinge that can survive reentry/reuse
Good point 🙂
@kumbackquatsta I had a similar question but with aircraft on aircraft carriers. Clearly not as extreme but same issues. It's interesting to see how the folding wing hinge mechanisms have changed over years.
Some exciting news for the short term evolution of Chinese space developments. Comercial competitors face a steep incline, versus state owned companies - both the know-how and state backed financial robustness, make them better positioned for these demanding ventures but, like with NASA, opportunities for comercial suppliers, will surely pop up in the future. Baby steps 🙂
Good report. China seems to be the only country learning from the (good parts) of the NASA/US commercial space development process (don’t get me started on the things we’re still doing wrong….). Your focus on explaning the importance of the commercial RFP process is right-on as well. As you showed the contractor down-select I caught immediately that it was the state-owned companies that made the initial cut, so I’m glad you addressed that head-on at the end. In the US case in 2005 the big US primes opposed the commercial cargo program (COTS) but of course applied for it anyway, in spite of what they considered an unrealistically low contract value. What is not commonly known is that they were told unofficially to not protest the awards given to the two unknown, untested, never-done-anything-yet small fry - Kistler, and SpaceX- who got less than $500m, total, split between them, over 5 years. The primes didn’t, because of the small amount of money (for them), and nothing would come of it, right? Kistler and SpaceX were each just an office, had never built anything, and would both disappear. Well, Kistler did; SpaceX didn’t- and changed Earth history. Best decision NASA ever made in its 66 years history. - Dave Huntsman
Don't you think that SpaceX is a bit hyped up? They seemed to have done well so far but as in any private enterprise whose existence is to maximise profits, being so hyped up may result in a shocking downfall, especially when the competition from China is fierce. Look at Tesla EVs dominance until China's EVs broke through.
@@adamiskandar5107 SpaceX is like snake oil salesman. When a nation is desperate enough people like these prosper.
@@adamiskandar5107And now, there is Musk Vice Vice President 'x factor'...
Thanks for this extra bit of context Dave, as always it’s a pleasure to read your perspective in the comments!
@@adamiskandar5107 SpaceX absolutely deserves hype, . They currently have over 7000 satellites in orbit and have launched 130 rockets this year alone compared to China’s 65. Remarkably, SpaceX accounts for 90% of all payloads by weight sent into orbit. While China is still working on replicating the capabilities of Falcon 9, SpaceX has already moved far ahead with development of Starship that is at least 20 years ahead of China’s current technology. Using Tesla as an analogy for China's ability to catch up to SpaceX is not accurate. SpaceX's lead over China in space technology is far greater than Tesla's lead in EVs ever was
Great reporting thanks
Nelson will be kicking and screaming.
@@MetaView7 Nelson being named after a famous colonial Admiral has to appear one eyed.
Nelson can't do two things at the same time. He can kick or he can scream, but he definitely not kick and scream at the same time. His brain can't handle it. I quote (why would anyone want to go to the dark side of the moon, it is always dark there, nothing to see ". And that is the Director of NASA 😂😂😂
Thank you very much for your this informative update🙂🙏👍🙏😀
Excellent video on China's progress in the commercial space endeavor.
1.8 tons of payload is a minuscule amount. The Dragon from SpaceX can carry 6.5 tons to the ISS.
Props to the Chinese having their own space station through. That’s pretty cool.
@@joeperez-marchese1213 You must not be paying attention to the video. China's Tianzhou has a payload of 7.5 tons.
They have big cargo craft, but they want a smaller and cheaper cargo craft for flexible mission.
China is smart to embrace the commercial sector, especially if their established aerospace industry is anything like ours here the US. Not mentioning any names. (Boeing!) But on the other hand a vast majority of space start ups don't ultimately succeed.
A majority of startup fast-food chains don't succeed either. This statement can be made of any industry, not just space.
@@hclau218 Correct, but this video wasn't about cheeseburgers!
@@ARWest-bp4yb yup, just pointing out that the "most will fail" bit is a little superfluous.
China's established aerospace industry is different tan anything in the US, it is state owned and does not need to make a profit so everything is automatically 30% cheaper and their focus then becomes making the best product. That also, restricts their thinking a bit and that's where commercial interests help.
@L98fiero OH, really? I didn't know NASA was started by private commercial interest! Pardon my ignorance...
Thank you, keep up the great work👍
please make video on MD-19 OR MD-22 SPACE PLANE TOO
Those tests doesn't even included powered working conditions, a bit sus for a project as least has been testing stage for 4 years if you ask me.
@@duy9428thoses are scientific hypersonic drones conceived with high versatility flight paths in mind, base models for future project, 4 years is nothing there are x plane project in the u.s that lasted for decades before being completed (to sometimes give nothing afterward but concepts) or straight up abandonned like the maxwell last year, at least this program continue
@@duy9428 It's basically a glorified university project.
its not space plane at all, its a drone drop from high altitude in order to achieve speed
Excellent report!
Excellent coverage. 2025 is going to be an exciting year for progress on reusable space hardware globally. Looking forward to Dongfang Hour keeping us informed on aerospace happenings related to China.
Haolong-1 spaceplane should be reusable, greatly lowering longterm cost. One advantage of a spaceplane on reentry is a much lower G-load profile compared to a capsule. This can be an import criteria for delicate experiments in addition to quick offloading cargo after landing at a specific runway location. The Qingzhou is a good complement spacecraft to have in the fleet, as not all cargo needs returning to Earth.
The commercialization of China's space program is positive step, as it hints toward offering services to global partner countries. It should also encourage collaboration of companies, allowing more efficient specialization in certain focus areas.
The folding wings of the Chinese space cargo will be a game changer, if this kind of spaceship is produced.
Sierra Space Cargo Dream Chaser also has folding wings.
If its unmanned then ofc it will bring more stuff back since you dont need to put life support. Hope we can see it soon.
Thanks for the informative update !
These Spaceplanes all appear to be based on the earlier DynaSoar3, x20, x40, and x37 designs. All of those underwent development testing to some level, and the x37 is flying now. Payload capacity similar, about 3-tons. These early designs are all based on Northrop falling-body research. Newer materials can make them lighter, thus adding payload weight.
when is china start using aerospike engine? and SSTO vehicles?
not in the near future, at best far future. SSTO is far less efficient than just a two stage rocket, and accounting for full reusability doesnt really provide any benefits.
China's government space agency, like America's government space agency, has no choice; any government can only go so far before stagnation sets in and innovation declines. The only way to defeat such stagnation and promote innovation is to encourage competition. As America has discovered in its efforts towards this goal, the path forward is highly unpredictable but leads to a way forward.
Any competition in the space industry is welcome because in turn it’s helping other countries to further their ambitions so they don’t be left behind. What China are doing is great because it’s helping the United States have pressure to keep up and remain on the centre stage as the world leading nation, which will in turn force innovation and change which will benefit everyone in the long run from engineering to medical to scientific. We need mutual competition to strike a balance and eventually with enough negotiations work together and unite under one banner, that last one may be a pipe dream but is the ESA a pipe dream?… No
Rock on China!!!
Thank you for the videos.
And great there is your UA-cam channel because Chinese space program is not know enough…. Other channels start to speak more about, but still less deeply.
Great video!
2:10 cost/kg should be cost/ton?
Yes, that was a typo 🫠
The cargo delivery ships are quit different in requirements than the ships that will launch 10,000 communication satellites. It could make sense to assign it to the long established government groups in order to give them a chance to prove themselves and keep them at the forefront of technology and viable. These government owned groups may be where the government goes for expertise in evaluating contract proposals/bids
It needs to be designed with the thought of it being able to host waste station
I want to see detailed explanation of Chinese crewed lunar lander and it's payload
It's whoever gets the glass domes up there
2:05 Cost per KG < 120m CNY? Do you know how much is 120m worth?
120M CYN. yeah about twice the mexican space agency budget
Should be per ton.
实际上是每吨1.2亿而不是每千克，查询中国媒体报道，实际上是每次发射总成本小于1.2亿。运载载重不低于1.5吨。
Hi, super ultra question for you. Do you feel Chinas version of private spaceflight will be more objective in doing its own things, without trying to undermine the government portion of space? For example Space X is under fire for setting up the framework to ,monopolize space and even prevent NASA from staying in the launch and exploration market. Does China have plans to parallel a government space and private space without a contamination aspect?
With the way things work in China, there is no chance of any private company undermining the government's scope of work. It's quite the opposite, private companies will only be able to develop in areas authorized/encouraged by the Chinese government.
@@DongfangHour That's awesome to hear! I have been more interested China space since the launch of my show. I really think they have great potential, and many rockets!
oh that's awesome!
All I got to say WOW
Great progress nontheless
2:03 "Cost / Kg" should be "Cost / Ton".
16,000 usd is not 120 million CNY which is the per-ton value. however accounting for the 1000kg in a ton the usd value per kilogram is closer to 16k usd
Ah yes, you are correct, that was a typo.
@@DongfangHour While we're handling typos, 27 cubic meters (presumably) rather than 27 square meters at 8:17
China space program is progressing ahead in a steady and continuous manner.
China unveils design of Haolong space shuttle for low-cost transport missions.
The Haolong space cargo shuttle can be launched by a carrier rocket and dock with the space station.
After separating from the space station, it can perform deorbit braking, reentry flight, before landing horizontally on an airport runway.
It has large capacities for cargo transport both to and from the space station, excellent flight environment and efficient support for operations.
It can further reduce space station cargo transport cost by repeated use.
With the existing cargo transportation systems, it aims to establish a safe, reliable, diverse, and efficient cargo transportation system between the space station and Earth.
The Haolong cargo spacecraft will lead and promote further breakthroughs and developments in China’s reusable space-Earth transportation technologies.
Yes!
Haolong is Success.
❤❤❤WOW!
With many problems with space shuttle until finall retired. China usually will built if not mature technology, we will see long term usages.
Chinese is very intelligent. They will succeed
China is already flying a spaceplane, the Shénlóng (神龙, divine dragon) as a military testbed, similar to the U.S. X-37b. This should offer the opportunity to evaluate any necessary technologies required for a commercial spaceplane.
it has nothing similar to space shuttle, its a small cargo space plane
I don’t see how Chinas ‘commercialisation’ can be compared to the US. I’m sure the words mean very different things in either culture.
This concept is not new at all, it´s just a polished up "Stardust 1" from the "Perry Rhodan" book (1979), under a protective aerodynamics hood
Tianzhou launch period is 9 month, Shenzhou launch period is 6 month, the astronauts need to take the package food which was frozen for half year is a problem.
@@黄辰旭 天舟没有冰箱，携带的食品都不是冷冻的。
昊龙航天飞机。
中国航空工业集团以“龙”为系列飞行器的命名，如“威龙”、“猛龙”、“枭龙”、“翼龙”等。该型航天飞机被命名为昊龙，寓意龙腾东方，驰骋九天，行者无疆，福泽四海。
This is how Russia does it's ISS program, when US retired shuttle Soyuz was NASA only ferry to ISS for ten years crew/cargo, you will see till 2028 1 Soyuz cargo with 1 US astronaut NASA appreciation of Soyuz, which holds all records with 1700 launches, Russia as had a crew in space for 50yrs
That's an interesting pronunciation of "unveiled."
Are capitalist countries mistaken? China is a socialist country. Isn't it the advantage of socialist countries that state-owned enterprises enjoy national advantages? Or is it that capitalist countries cannot compete with socialist countries?
The western system Can NOT work! It is Not working! It's BANKRUPT Financially aswell as Spiritually!!!
Capitalism is always less effective than socialism. America knows this, which is why they did everything possible to isolate and destroy socialist countries during the 20th century. America was forced to back Communist China against the Soviet Union as the lesser of two evils, hoping they would never reunify.
The state owned enterprises do enjoy national advantages however the difference doesn’t lie in capitalist vs socialist and rather in how decisions for these companies are made. NASA’s funding and directives are guided by the president and congress and have lengthy bureaucratic processes for each and every decision. without the 3 branch system a lot of this process is skipped by these state owned companies.
In any case it’s not a flaw of capitalism as “capitalist”/ American companies like spacex do very well with limited state intervention outside funding given for projects. The private capitalist system is great in the sense that private companies don’t require government direction.
The difference is government direction hurts American companies and helps Chinese state owned companies
That’s because of the problem of how the democratic systems checks and balances sometimes interfere with its agencies vs the more direct control that china has.
So again I wouldn’t say it’s capitalism vs socialism it’s just a part of the sacrifice necessary to host the democratic system that we Americans want.
@@Weirdletter There is no democracy in the United States. The American people have never had the final say. They only have one vote to choose one of the two puppets given by the capitalists.
@@Weirdletter At some level, it actually IS capitalism vs socialism. Chinese socialism keeps inflation to a minimum, ensuring that all core services are affordable and accessible. American capitalism likes inflation so line goes up.
post this to r/sino!
Looked they made a space shuttle 40 years after the US 😆
As long as China keeps all their work for non-lethal means, hopefully private corporations in China can get onto a level playing field with government unlimited funds by their futuristic mentality & get ahead.
I thought China was doing launches much cheaper these days. $16,000 per kg is too expensive.
Elon Musk has caused me to think twice about the commercialisation of space development. Maybe the IP would be safer long term with government entities.
One thing we in the USA could learn from China, is that they share knowledge and tech. In the USA corporations have to recreate the wheel.
That can be a good and bad thing. We got the iPhone by Apple reinventing the smartphone and we got Windows Phones failure by Microsoft not getting any support in a winner takes all market.
This is not true. Lol you are doing the exact same thing of overrating us like we used to do on you. The spirit of cooperation & open source & sharing is still very solid in the west whereas here it's now layers of walls, each app enclose all their info within their on domain, refusing to share them to search engines. I'm honestly very worried about this because it's bad for llms to gather data. Our internet used to be great too, I'm a generation born on that era.
Foldable wings, large flat surfaces... that spaceplane will make the disaster that was the space shuttle look like a success unless (and even if) they have a novel heat shielding solution. Spaceplanes in general, as a concept in rocketry, make for awful rockets and even worse planes...
Competition is doing great things do the launcher and satellite space in China, can't wait until these cargo systems can start doing missions.
I congratulate with all due respects most respectfully but it seems to be still a vintage 1960s brute force mentality of vertical flight since Haolong -1's folding wings deploy only after entering orbit a theme also explored by "lunar flight of Starship Troopers", "Imperial shuttle of Star Wars", and Apple TV+ "Foundation" which is ironic since a museum in of Beijing has an anti Satellite rocket on display inside an alcove identical to "Spaceship & Sun" emblem of Asimov's trilogies.
Still Shandong or divine dragon spaceplane launched from a Xian H6 which is a jet powered bomber of 1940s design has been proven successful so does a :Haolong -1 take off like a spaceplane from underside of a Xian H-6 or even from an underside of a decommissioned surplus Harbin H5?
China is of a Brobdingnagian Population and area balkanized from within analogous to perception of aerosol sprays used to layer over a gigantic maiden's acne zits viewed from upon in front of a dressing table vanity inside a boudoir adjacent to plumbing fixtures since China is upwind from Vancouver Seatle so will it be successful for space tours.
Sorry misspelled Shanlong as "Shandong"
Wonderful video. Do you have a separate channel for US space? It would be nice to have an indept understanding of their space venture from a reliable souce as well. Keep it going thanks
Thanks! I don’t have anything on the US space program, but I invite you to check out videos by Everyday Astronaut, Scott Manley, and many other quality UA-camrs on the topic.
It's very likely thst China is prefering state own companys
Haolongdong.
I love Chinese peppers they are taking care of my 54 kailash parvat
Haolong? Thats what she said...😂😂😂
Great
You mean new wrecks?
Do you believe that the CCP would allow private companies to run space programs commercially?
Good report.. please expand your research for Chinese military and others Techs
😂 Nice try.. dude.. spying for you for free ??😢
Do your own research, dude😊
@@ssrae-2229 Man,you really anyone do spying in UA-cam?
There have other UA-camr do military and tech videos in the UA-cam
@othmanhassanmajid8192 definitely not from your brain dude🤪
China focuses on functionality and progress. NASA contractors focus on contract details to maximise profits and charges for cost overruns.
Not sure why you are talking of state run companies as being a problem comrade 😉
It seems that the state owned companies are dealing with the tried and trusted technology while the private sector work out the finer details of reusable rocketry. When it comes to soft landing of spacecraft, obviously the shuttle glides to a runway in China, but where can the Chinese perform a splashdown?
I wonder what the economics are between: combined parachutes and some guidance rocketry to splashdown within a large lake target vs glide in horizontally to an airport vs vertical landing at a spaceport.
You seem to be stuck in a US restricted sphere of thought. Neither Russia nor China do "splash downs"
@Stephen-wc8fn There are too many factors.
As example exist several Russian estimations from different decades: splash is over expensive, VTL - just expensive, glide to airport - pretty cheap, but still more expensive than once used rocket.
Why? Because geography and economical system (Soviet/Russian industry in state property, used only local made resources and parts).
This question arrived:
- back in 1970s when USSR launched by ~100 rockets per year. Estimations not available in public, exist only references from memories.
- back in 1990s, when came capitalism (e.g. resources, like metals, from free got price - before it had no cost). Anyway still was more expensive (existed two projects: of vertical landing and jet-like landing). Interesting fact, Russia tried to sell own projects to 3rd countries, but nobody bought, instead everyone bought classical approach (e.g. South Korea ordered development of classical rocket).
- back in 2010s when space became pretty expensive, as result arrived estimations that horizontal landing can be more cheap in situation of at least ~180 launches per year (but there are no such goals).
Last two reports from 1990s and 2010 are semipublic.
@ I know that. I’m merely wondering if we could use modern guidance to do a targeted splashdown, and whether that offers advantages.
@ how interesting. Were you in the industry? What’s your view of vtl? China and US commercial launches are dropping big money on vtl, but I just don’t see the advantage over glide.
Great to see China got its own space shuttle
How Long?
This video bring out a silly question:
What is wrong with simply let the trash from space station being burn up in the atmosphere (instead of spend all the money to bring it back to Earth and THEN toss it into a trash can)?
You don't seem to remember that we did that with plastic at the start, and it came back to haunt us!
@@etoiledenoundi It's different. If we design things right, everything will be burned before it reaches to the ground.
For plastics, we just ship it to other poor countries and blame them for not dealing with them properly.
Not all is garbage. How to get the results from manufacturing in space, or experiments, etc back to Earth? Every ~6 months 1-2 tons of cargo is returned from ISS. This can include equipment needing refurbishment (spacesuits, etc)
很久之前中国被排挤在太空技术圈之外，中国人只能一点点积累经验才有今天的成就，我觉得这没什么值得骄傲的，让我感到惊讶的是西方这几十年几乎原地踏步走，问题的关键是中国人努力追上了还是西方的技术发展停滞了？
@@佯谬 可回收火箭是一个不小的进步，不能说原地踏步啊。
@@wong2230 没什么厉害的，主要就是大量的运算。。。说算数细致度。。。打不过中国人的
'State owned' is such a loaded term....'publicly owned'' better describes these companies, because it is the public that owns them...
True, although “state-owned” is the terminology that Chinese sources themselves use to describe their own publicly owned companies
Closed-caption fail at 0:05 - "Zhuhai" is transcribed as "jew high".
Anyone going into Space is nothing short of Impressive. China does have the resources to get this job done and I am impressed with China's attitude of getting the job done even if it does look a bit like copy cat did it. We all the breath the same air -- and no one thinks twice about it and just go ahead to breath deep to get that O2 into the lung banks. Everybody working on similar looking projects is absolutely intelligent. I would consider this to be a Magnitude of Vectors that will insure that ALL of Humanity will Benefit. Kudos China!
Not true, it is well known the air in china is horribly polluted. We don't breath that in the west.
I'm a dumbass: Why does the waste have to be transported of the station? Can't you just chuck it out , and let it burn up in the atmosphere?
If you just chuck it out, there's a not small chance it will do a full orbit around the earth with you and hit you in the face. You have to spend fuel to deorbit it for it to touch the atmosphere.
That will become space junk.
@@rubadub79 nobody wants to be taken out by flying shit. If you're unlucky, it could be your own shit.
It isn't a dumbass question at all : the junk would simply pollute the orbit you're moving on and potentially be hazardous. The way to get rid of it is as they do on the ISS, pack it all up in a Progress cargo that will burn up thereafter in the atmosphere
Any waste chucked out of the station, may or may not come down and burn immediately. They probably stay in the orbit long enought to cause danger to any space craft they hit, as they are travelling at 17,700 miles per hour.
Imagine bullets only travel in 1,700 miles per hour.
Commercialization of building and launching spacecraft in China is different from USA’s. USA’s commercialization is afflicted by politic and corruption- less than one handful of companies participate: SpaceX, Boeing, Blue Origin. To date only Space X has been successful.
and which chinese commercial space flight has succeed , still heavily run by state owned companies
And that one successful company mogs your entire chinese country😂
Haolong Duck Dong
China needs to use this as the 2nd stage for their starship. Much better design than Elon's death trap.
Yep but small eyes are copying starship means that it works
what I would like to know is how come it's so easy for China to keep stealing industrial secrets and why there is no penalty for them.
因为你比较蠢🤣
China has a spacestation??
bro... are you living under a rock or sth?
I'm waiting for the Chinese equivalent of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interkosmos build up your partners for the Chinese Lunar Base. Excellent reporting as I have been following the astonishing pace of CNSA certainly in comparison to the inertia... of NASA!
China's space program suffers from the same problem as NASA, BUREAUCRACY is in trenched and leadership is determined by politics and thus decisions are not technically based, generally poor. Boeing is a great example of this problem in the quasi commercial world. By that few customers and mostly the government.
Talk about your American system! China is not America. Why try to superimpose your American Space Program on the Chinese Program? Even their goals are different. What do you know about Chinese Bureaucracy apart from what is 'parroted' on your 'hate Media'? Or better still, your 'jealous Media'? If the Chinese 'Bureaucracy' was such as you are trying to portray it, China would not have 'left you in the dust' in record time in terms of infrastructure! Within less that 30years, they have made you look like some Third World Country!
compare to ESA ATV, please. Because that's where China copied from.
Looks like a copy of the Dream Chaser spaceplane. Did China steal the specs?
the shape of it is far from that of dreamchaser if you actually pay attention and not be delusional. It's like calling the dreamchaser itself a copy of the x-37b just because they are spaceplanes
@@stevennotthe2997Dreamchaser’s wing is different from X37B,but you can notice similarities maybe 90% that haolong is looks like dreamchaser
When you can't compete but full of anger and jealousy, just simply say, "It's copy."
Yes, yes, no matter what design China is introducing, first of all, it must be stealing other people's design. What, you mean evidence? Look, they all have two wings
Do you think it's easy to copy high tech stuffs? Even you got the whole blue print you still cannot copy it. You need a deep knowledge of space science technologies. Besides the use of composite materials is already a headache. China done a lot of research on composite materials technologies. It's not that easy to copy. You may ask why only China can do it?
H O W L O N G ?
昊龙 to be exactly. One of the Chinese loong species from ancient fairy tales.
Haolong (pronounced howloong)
@@yukonzhang3034
Is it Loong who fought with
Sun Wukong ?
It's a Dragon
More CGI. More MODELS. Let me know when they actually fly the REAL thing. Not impressed at all.
@@Phase52012
Says the ignorant that always believes the lies his United States of AmeriKKKa
feeds him.
China is far ahead and they don't need to flaunt their capability to show you.
Lots of words, lacking in action! Again a lot of pictures but no reality! Believe it when it happens, if ever, they better pull their finger out, because their space program although visionary is still fifty years off the pace. Sorry!
sounds like PRC propaganda
Why?
Atleast you didn't say ccp like your senators. Imagine being a leaser and don't know your enemy 😂😂😂
@@DongfangHourdint pay them no mind
OF COURSE CHINA IS BEST IN COPY PASTE GAME
Don’t believe the hype. Chyner isn’t even a real country anymore.
Is this a mental illness 😮