Yea, but unfortunately, many of them are just at the Power Point level. E.g. the Haolong, which has not yet entered the engineering design phase, i.e. long way to go.
Good report. China seems to be the only country learning from the (good parts) of the NASA/US commercial space development process (don’t get me started on the things we’re still doing wrong….). Your focus on explaning the importance of the commercial RFP process is right-on as well. As you showed the contractor down-select I caught immediately that it was the state-owned companies that made the initial cut, so I’m glad you addressed that head-on at the end. In the US case in 2005 the big US primes opposed the commercial cargo program (COTS) but of course applied for it anyway, in spite of what they considered an unrealistically low contract value. What is not commonly known is that they were told unofficially to not protest the awards given to the two unknown, untested, never-done-anything-yet small fry - Kistler, and SpaceX- who got less than $500m, total, split between them, over 5 years. The primes didn’t, because of the small amount of money (for them), and nothing would come of it, right? Kistler and SpaceX were each just an office, had never built anything, and would both disappear. Well, Kistler did; SpaceX didn’t- and changed Earth history. Best decision NASA ever made in its 66 years history. - Dave Huntsman
Don't you think that SpaceX is a bit hyped up? They seemed to have done well so far but as in any private enterprise whose existence is to maximise profits, being so hyped up may result in a shocking downfall, especially when the competition from China is fierce. Look at Tesla EVs dominance until China's EVs broke through.
@@adamiskandar5107 SpaceX absolutely deserves hype, . They currently have over 7000 satellites in orbit and have launched 130 rockets this year alone compared to China’s 65. Remarkably, SpaceX accounts for 90% of all payloads by weight sent into orbit. While China is still working on replicating the capabilities of Falcon 9, SpaceX has already moved far ahead with development of Starship that is at least 20 years ahead of China’s current technology. Using Tesla as an analogy for China's ability to catch up to SpaceX is not accurate. SpaceX's lead over China in space technology is far greater than Tesla's lead in EVs ever was
China is smart to embrace the commercial sector, especially if their established aerospace industry is anything like ours here the US. Not mentioning any names. (Boeing!) But on the other hand a vast majority of space start ups don't ultimately succeed.
China's established aerospace industry is different tan anything in the US, it is state owned and does not need to make a profit so everything is automatically 30% cheaper and their focus then becomes making the best product. That also, restricts their thinking a bit and that's where commercial interests help.
Some exciting news for the short term evolution of Chinese space developments. Comercial competitors face a steep incline, versus state owned companies - both the know-how and state backed financial robustness, make them better positioned for these demanding ventures but, like with NASA, opportunities for comercial suppliers, will surely pop up in the future. Baby steps 🙂
China space program is progressing ahead in a steady and continuous manner. China unveils design of Haolong space shuttle for low-cost transport missions. The Haolong space cargo shuttle can be launched by a carrier rocket and dock with the space station. After separating from the space station, it can perform deorbit braking, reentry flight, before landing horizontally on an airport runway. It has large capacities for cargo transport both to and from the space station, excellent flight environment and efficient support for operations. It can further reduce space station cargo transport cost by repeated use. With the existing cargo transportation systems, it aims to establish a safe, reliable, diverse, and efficient cargo transportation system between the space station and Earth. The Haolong cargo spacecraft will lead and promote further breakthroughs and developments in China’s reusable space-Earth transportation technologies.
Anyone going into Space is nothing short of Impressive. China does have the resources to get this job done and I am impressed with China's attitude of getting the job done even if it does look a bit like copy cat did it. We all the breath the same air -- and no one thinks twice about it and just go ahead to breath deep to get that O2 into the lung banks. Everybody working on similar looking projects is absolutely intelligent. I would consider this to be a Magnitude of Vectors that will insure that ALL of Humanity will Benefit. Kudos China!
China will continue to do what's best for their nation & people and there really is nothing to stop their technological and science advances which will only accelerate to beyond our solar system. As former ASML Chief Executive Officer Peter Wennink said, "The laws of physics in China are the same as here (Netherlands). The more you put them (China) under pressure, the more likely it is that they will double up their efforts." China invests in infrastructures, technologies and the future, while the USA is busy spending/investing humongous amount of money instigating, provoking, and sponsoring conflicts, wars, and regime change all around the world and neglecting what's best for their nation & people and racking in over and ever bludgeoning US$34.3 trillion debts. How is China going to continue to fund their science & technological advances? Being the 2nd biggest economy in the world, UNLIKE the USA, China does not have 700-1,000 military bases & installations all over the world to operate & to maintain, humongous black budget to spread misinformation & propagandas, enormous amount of money to instigate, provoke, and support conflicts, wars, and regime change all over the world.
Are you snorting fortune cookie crumbs? They are straight up copying everything Space -X is doing. Name one, that's 1 innovation that we can genuinely say is not a carbon copy.
Nelson can't do two things at the same time. He can kick or he can scream, but he definitely not kick and scream at the same time. His brain can't handle it. I quote (why would anyone want to go to the dark side of the moon, it is always dark there, nothing to see ". And that is the Director of NASA 😂😂😂
@@duy9428thoses are scientific hypersonic drones conceived with high versatility flight paths in mind, base models for future project, 4 years is nothing there are x plane project in the u.s that lasted for decades before being completed (to sometimes give nothing afterward but concepts) or straight up abandonned like the maxwell last year, at least this program continue
Are capitalist countries mistaken? China is a socialist country. Isn't it the advantage of socialist countries that state-owned enterprises enjoy national advantages? Or is it that capitalist countries cannot compete with socialist countries?
Capitalism is always less effective than socialism. America knows this, which is why they did everything possible to isolate and destroy socialist countries during the 20th century. America was forced to back Communist China against the Soviet Union as the lesser of two evils, hoping they would never reunify.
Thank you for the videos. And great there is your UA-cam channel because Chinese space program is not know enough…. Other channels start to speak more about, but still less deeply.
These Spaceplanes all appear to be based on the earlier DynaSoar3, x20, x40, and x37 designs. All of those underwent development testing to some level, and the x37 is flying now. Payload capacity similar, about 3-tons. These early designs are all based on Northrop falling-body research. Newer materials can make them lighter, thus adding payload weight.
China's government space agency, like America's government space agency, has no choice; any government can only go so far before stagnation sets in and innovation declines. The only way to defeat such stagnation and promote innovation is to encourage competition. As America has discovered in its efforts towards this goal, the path forward is highly unpredictable but leads to a way forward.
16,000 usd is not 120 million CNY which is the per-ton value. however accounting for the 1000kg in a ton the usd value per kilogram is closer to 16k usd
Any competition in the space industry is welcome because in turn it’s helping other countries to further their ambitions so they don’t be left behind. What China are doing is great because it’s helping the United States have pressure to keep up and remain on the centre stage as the world leading nation, which will in turn force innovation and change which will benefit everyone in the long run from engineering to medical to scientific. We need mutual competition to strike a balance and eventually with enough negotiations work together and unite under one banner, that last one may be a pipe dream but is the ESA a pipe dream?… No
Excellent coverage. 2025 is going to be an exciting year for progress on reusable space hardware globally. Looking forward to Dongfang Hour keeping us informed on aerospace happenings related to China. Haolong-1 spaceplane should be reusable, greatly lowering longterm cost. One advantage of a spaceplane on reentry is a much lower G-load profile compared to a capsule. This can be an import criteria for delicate experiments in addition to quick offloading cargo after landing at a specific runway location. The Qingzhou is a good complement spacecraft to have in the fleet, as not all cargo needs returning to Earth. The commercialization of China's space program is positive step, as it hints toward offering services to global partner countries. It should also encourage collaboration of companies, allowing more efficient specialization in certain focus areas.
China is already flying a spaceplane, the Shénlóng (神龙, divine dragon) as a military testbed, similar to the U.S. X-37b. This should offer the opportunity to evaluate any necessary technologies required for a commercial spaceplane.
This video bring out a silly question: What is wrong with simply let the trash from space station being burn up in the atmosphere (instead of spend all the money to bring it back to Earth and THEN toss it into a trash can)?
@@etoiledenoundi It's different. If we design things right, everything will be burned before it reaches to the ground. For plastics, we just ship it to other poor countries and blame them for not dealing with them properly.
Not all is garbage. How to get the results from manufacturing in space, or experiments, etc back to Earth? Every ~6 months 1-2 tons of cargo is returned from ISS. This can include equipment needing refurbishment (spacesuits, etc)
It seems that the state owned companies are dealing with the tried and trusted technology while the private sector work out the finer details of reusable rocketry. When it comes to soft landing of spacecraft, obviously the shuttle glides to a runway in China, but where can the Chinese perform a splashdown?
I wonder what the economics are between: combined parachutes and some guidance rocketry to splashdown within a large lake target vs glide in horizontally to an airport vs vertical landing at a spaceport.
@Stephen-wc8fn There are too many factors. As example exist several Russian estimations from different decades: splash is over expensive, VTL - just expensive, glide to airport - pretty cheap, but still more expensive than once used rocket. Why? Because geography and economical system (Soviet/Russian industry in state property, used only local made resources and parts). This question arrived: - back in 1970s when USSR launched by ~100 rockets per year. Estimations not available in public, exist only references from memories. - back in 1990s, when came capitalism (e.g. resources, like metals, from free got price - before it had no cost). Anyway still was more expensive (existed two projects: of vertical landing and jet-like landing). Interesting fact, Russia tried to sell own projects to 3rd countries, but nobody bought, instead everyone bought classical approach (e.g. South Korea ordered development of classical rocket). - back in 2010s when space became pretty expensive, as result arrived estimations that horizontal landing can be more cheap in situation of at least ~180 launches per year (but there are no such goals). Last two reports from 1990s and 2010 are semipublic.
@ how interesting. Were you in the industry? What’s your view of vtl? China and US commercial launches are dropping big money on vtl, but I just don’t see the advantage over glide.
Wonderful video. Do you have a separate channel for US space? It would be nice to have an indept understanding of their space venture from a reliable souce as well. Keep it going thanks
Thanks! I don’t have anything on the US space program, but I invite you to check out videos by Everyday Astronaut, Scott Manley, and many other quality UA-camrs on the topic.
If you just chuck it out, there's a not small chance it will do a full orbit around the earth with you and hit you in the face. You have to spend fuel to deorbit it for it to touch the atmosphere.
It isn't a dumbass question at all : the junk would simply pollute the orbit you're moving on and potentially be hazardous. The way to get rid of it is as they do on the ISS, pack it all up in a Progress cargo that will burn up thereafter in the atmosphere
Any waste chucked out of the station, may or may not come down and burn immediately. They probably stay in the orbit long enought to cause danger to any space craft they hit, as they are travelling at 17,700 miles per hour. Imagine bullets only travel in 1,700 miles per hour.
Commercialization of building and launching spacecraft in China is different from USA’s. USA’s commercialization is afflicted by politic and corruption- less than one handful of companies participate: SpaceX, Boeing, Blue Origin. To date only Space X has been successful.
the shape of it is far from that of dreamchaser if you actually pay attention and not be delusional. It's like calling the dreamchaser itself a copy of the x-37b just because they are spaceplanes
There isn't much design options when it comes to spacecraft. Just like airplanes, subs, boats, cars, bikes have the same frame. The law of physics when it comes to efficiency is the same everywhere. Planets are round shape for a reason. The race is NOT to build something different because of national pride. Space should be the united frontier for humanity. Take the ISS for example. The US docking system is different from the Russian so because of that we have to build spacial devices to make them compatible. This is NOT a good thing, especially in space. Just imagine having different life support systems when it comes to spacesuits if one needs help. Oh I can't help you because our stuff aren't compatible with yours. If you actually follow the space race in China, it's not actually about copying. It's going with the most effective design. So if SpaceX comes up with something that's good and it works, the Chinese having the same is basically acknowledging you won this part of the race and we'll adopt your standard. So that is the race. It's racing to have the most STANDARDS.
Yes, yes, no matter what design China is introducing, first of all, it must be stealing other people's design. What, you mean evidence? Look, they all have two wings
China's space program suffers from the same problem as NASA, BUREAUCRACY is in trenched and leadership is determined by politics and thus decisions are not technically based, generally poor. Boeing is a great example of this problem in the quasi commercial world. By that few customers and mostly the government.
Talk about your American system! China is not America. Why try to superimpose your American Space Program on the Chinese Program? Even their goals are different. What do you know about Chinese Bureaucracy apart from what is 'parroted' on your 'hate Media'? Or better still, your 'jealous Media'? If the Chinese 'Bureaucracy' was such as you are trying to portray it, China would not have 'left you in the dust' in record time in terms of infrastructure! Within less that 30years, they have made you look like some Third World Country!
I'm waiting for the Chinese equivalent of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interkosmos build up your partners for the Chinese Lunar Base. Excellent reporting as I have been following the astonishing pace of CNSA certainly in comparison to the inertia... of NASA!
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China's space development is incredibly impressive and progressing very fast. Great update Dongfang
Yea, but unfortunately, many of them are just at the Power Point level. E.g. the Haolong, which has not yet entered the engineering design phase, i.e. long way to go.
They are not catching up - they are just copying faster
Thanks for putting this together for us, well done!
Thanks for keeping us updated!
2025 is the year we will finally see a Chinese reusable rocket. Very excited!!!
If we got lucky, we will see the 75km flight test of a reuseable rocket by the end of December.
Haolong? Pretty darn long
About 10 meters!😄
HaoLoong 😂 maybe
Good dragon?
@@freezonechannel8639 No, this Hao is 昊, not 好, and it means vast/expansive
😂 epic
Good report. China seems to be the only country learning from the (good parts) of the NASA/US commercial space development process (don’t get me started on the things we’re still doing wrong….). Your focus on explaning the importance of the commercial RFP process is right-on as well. As you showed the contractor down-select I caught immediately that it was the state-owned companies that made the initial cut, so I’m glad you addressed that head-on at the end. In the US case in 2005 the big US primes opposed the commercial cargo program (COTS) but of course applied for it anyway, in spite of what they considered an unrealistically low contract value. What is not commonly known is that they were told unofficially to not protest the awards given to the two unknown, untested, never-done-anything-yet small fry - Kistler, and SpaceX- who got less than $500m, total, split between them, over 5 years. The primes didn’t, because of the small amount of money (for them), and nothing would come of it, right? Kistler and SpaceX were each just an office, had never built anything, and would both disappear. Well, Kistler did; SpaceX didn’t- and changed Earth history. Best decision NASA ever made in its 66 years history. - Dave Huntsman
Don't you think that SpaceX is a bit hyped up? They seemed to have done well so far but as in any private enterprise whose existence is to maximise profits, being so hyped up may result in a shocking downfall, especially when the competition from China is fierce. Look at Tesla EVs dominance until China's EVs broke through.
@@adamiskandar5107 SpaceX is like snake oil salesman. When a nation is desperate enough people like these prosper.
@@adamiskandar5107And now, there is Musk Vice Vice President 'x factor'...
Thanks for this extra bit of context Dave, as always it’s a pleasure to read your perspective in the comments!
@@adamiskandar5107 SpaceX absolutely deserves hype, . They currently have over 7000 satellites in orbit and have launched 130 rockets this year alone compared to China’s 65. Remarkably, SpaceX accounts for 90% of all payloads by weight sent into orbit. While China is still working on replicating the capabilities of Falcon 9, SpaceX has already moved far ahead with development of Starship that is at least 20 years ahead of China’s current technology. Using Tesla as an analogy for China's ability to catch up to SpaceX is not accurate. SpaceX's lead over China in space technology is far greater than Tesla's lead in EVs ever was
China is smart to embrace the commercial sector, especially if their established aerospace industry is anything like ours here the US. Not mentioning any names. (Boeing!) But on the other hand a vast majority of space start ups don't ultimately succeed.
A majority of startup fast-food chains don't succeed either. This statement can be made of any industry, not just space.
@@hclau218 Correct, but this video wasn't about cheeseburgers!
@@ARWest-bp4yb yup, just pointing out that the "most will fail" bit is a little superfluous.
China's established aerospace industry is different tan anything in the US, it is state owned and does not need to make a profit so everything is automatically 30% cheaper and their focus then becomes making the best product. That also, restricts their thinking a bit and that's where commercial interests help.
@L98fiero OH, really? I didn't know NASA was started by private commercial interest! Pardon my ignorance...
Excellent video on China's progress in the commercial space endeavor.
Some exciting news for the short term evolution of Chinese space developments. Comercial competitors face a steep incline, versus state owned companies - both the know-how and state backed financial robustness, make them better positioned for these demanding ventures but, like with NASA, opportunities for comercial suppliers, will surely pop up in the future. Baby steps 🙂
China space program is progressing ahead in a steady and continuous manner.
China unveils design of Haolong space shuttle for low-cost transport missions.
The Haolong space cargo shuttle can be launched by a carrier rocket and dock with the space station.
After separating from the space station, it can perform deorbit braking, reentry flight, before landing horizontally on an airport runway.
It has large capacities for cargo transport both to and from the space station, excellent flight environment and efficient support for operations.
It can further reduce space station cargo transport cost by repeated use.
With the existing cargo transportation systems, it aims to establish a safe, reliable, diverse, and efficient cargo transportation system between the space station and Earth.
The Haolong cargo spacecraft will lead and promote further breakthroughs and developments in China’s reusable space-Earth transportation technologies.
Very informative. Your channel deserves more views. You’ve got yourself a new subscriber.
Great reporting thanks
i'm curious to see how they engineered folding wings/hinge that can survive reentry/reuse
Good point 🙂
The folding wings of the Chinese space cargo will be a game changer, if this kind of spaceship is produced.
Anyone going into Space is nothing short of Impressive. China does have the resources to get this job done and I am impressed with China's attitude of getting the job done even if it does look a bit like copy cat did it. We all the breath the same air -- and no one thinks twice about it and just go ahead to breath deep to get that O2 into the lung banks. Everybody working on similar looking projects is absolutely intelligent. I would consider this to be a Magnitude of Vectors that will insure that ALL of Humanity will Benefit. Kudos China!
Not true, it is well known the air in china is horribly polluted. We don't breath that in the west.
Thanks for the informative update !
China will continue to do what's best for their nation & people and there really is nothing to stop their technological and science advances which will only accelerate to beyond our solar system.
As former ASML Chief Executive Officer Peter Wennink said, "The laws of physics in China are the same as here (Netherlands). The more you put them (China) under pressure, the more likely it is that they will double up their efforts."
China invests in infrastructures, technologies and the future, while the USA is busy spending/investing humongous amount of money instigating, provoking, and sponsoring conflicts, wars, and regime change all around the world and neglecting what's best for their nation & people and racking in over and ever bludgeoning US$34.3 trillion debts.
How is China going to continue to fund their science & technological advances? Being the 2nd biggest economy in the world, UNLIKE the USA, China does not have 700-1,000 military bases & installations all over the world to operate & to maintain, humongous black budget to spread misinformation & propagandas, enormous amount of money to instigate, provoke, and support conflicts, wars, and regime change all over the world.
Very well said, as true as a diamond.
China's military is a 2% tax on the economy. The US military IS the economy.
Are you snorting fortune cookie crumbs? They are straight up copying everything Space -X is doing. Name one, that's 1 innovation that we can genuinely say is not a carbon copy.
Nelson will be kicking and screaming.
@@MetaView7 Nelson being named after a famous colonial Admiral has to appear one eyed.
Nelson can't do two things at the same time. He can kick or he can scream, but he definitely not kick and scream at the same time. His brain can't handle it. I quote (why would anyone want to go to the dark side of the moon, it is always dark there, nothing to see ". And that is the Director of NASA 😂😂😂
Competition is doing great things do the launcher and satellite space in China, can't wait until these cargo systems can start doing missions.
please make video on MD-19 OR MD-22 SPACE PLANE TOO
Those tests doesn't even included powered working conditions, a bit sus for a project as least has been testing stage for 4 years if you ask me.
@@duy9428thoses are scientific hypersonic drones conceived with high versatility flight paths in mind, base models for future project, 4 years is nothing there are x plane project in the u.s that lasted for decades before being completed (to sometimes give nothing afterward but concepts) or straight up abandonned like the maxwell last year, at least this program continue
@@duy9428 It's basically a glorified university project.
its not space plane at all, its a drone drop from high altitude in order to achieve speed
Are capitalist countries mistaken? China is a socialist country. Isn't it the advantage of socialist countries that state-owned enterprises enjoy national advantages? Or is it that capitalist countries cannot compete with socialist countries?
The western system Can NOT work! It is Not working! It's BANKRUPT Financially aswell as Spiritually!!!
Capitalism is always less effective than socialism. America knows this, which is why they did everything possible to isolate and destroy socialist countries during the 20th century. America was forced to back Communist China against the Soviet Union as the lesser of two evils, hoping they would never reunify.
'State owned' is such a loaded term....'publicly owned'' better describes these companies, because it is the public that owns them...
True, although “state-owned” is the terminology that Chinese sources themselves use to describe their own publicly owned companies
Thank you for the videos.
And great there is your UA-cam channel because Chinese space program is not know enough…. Other channels start to speak more about, but still less deeply.
2:10 cost/kg should be cost/ton?
Rock on China!!!
These Spaceplanes all appear to be based on the earlier DynaSoar3, x20, x40, and x37 designs. All of those underwent development testing to some level, and the x37 is flying now. Payload capacity similar, about 3-tons. These early designs are all based on Northrop falling-body research. Newer materials can make them lighter, thus adding payload weight.
If its unmanned then ofc it will bring more stuff back since you dont need to put life support. Hope we can see it soon.
China's government space agency, like America's government space agency, has no choice; any government can only go so far before stagnation sets in and innovation declines. The only way to defeat such stagnation and promote innovation is to encourage competition. As America has discovered in its efforts towards this goal, the path forward is highly unpredictable but leads to a way forward.
2:03 "Cost / Kg" should be "Cost / Ton".
16,000 usd is not 120 million CNY which is the per-ton value. however accounting for the 1000kg in a ton the usd value per kilogram is closer to 16k usd
Ah yes, you are correct, that was a typo.
@@DongfangHour While we're handling typos, 27 cubic meters (presumably) rather than 27 square meters at 8:17
2:05 Cost per KG < 120m CNY? Do you know how much is 120m worth?
120M CYN. yeah about twice the mexican space agency budget
Should be per ton.
Any competition in the space industry is welcome because in turn it’s helping other countries to further their ambitions so they don’t be left behind. What China are doing is great because it’s helping the United States have pressure to keep up and remain on the centre stage as the world leading nation, which will in turn force innovation and change which will benefit everyone in the long run from engineering to medical to scientific. We need mutual competition to strike a balance and eventually with enough negotiations work together and unite under one banner, that last one may be a pipe dream but is the ESA a pipe dream?… No
Great to see China got its own space shuttle
Excellent coverage. 2025 is going to be an exciting year for progress on reusable space hardware globally. Looking forward to Dongfang Hour keeping us informed on aerospace happenings related to China.
Haolong-1 spaceplane should be reusable, greatly lowering longterm cost. One advantage of a spaceplane on reentry is a much lower G-load profile compared to a capsule. This can be an import criteria for delicate experiments in addition to quick offloading cargo after landing at a specific runway location. The Qingzhou is a good complement spacecraft to have in the fleet, as not all cargo needs returning to Earth.
The commercialization of China's space program is positive step, as it hints toward offering services to global partner countries. It should also encourage collaboration of companies, allowing more efficient specialization in certain focus areas.
All I got to say WOW
昊龙航天飞机。
中国航空工业集团以“龙”为系列飞行器的命名，如“威龙”、“猛龙”、“枭龙”、“翼龙”等。该型航天飞机被命名为昊龙，寓意龙腾东方，驰骋九天，行者无疆，福泽四海。
when is china start using aerospike engine? and SSTO vehicles?
Yes!
Haolong is Success.
❤❤❤WOW!
what I would like to know is how come it's so easy for China to keep stealing industrial secrets and why there is no penalty for them.
I thought China was doing launches much cheaper these days. $16,000 per kg is too expensive.
post this to r/sino!
With many problems with space shuttle until finall retired. China usually will built if not mature technology, we will see long term usages.
Chinese is very intelligent. They will succeed
China is already flying a spaceplane, the Shénlóng (神龙, divine dragon) as a military testbed, similar to the U.S. X-37b. This should offer the opportunity to evaluate any necessary technologies required for a commercial spaceplane.
it has nothing similar to space shuttle, its a small cargo space plane
Great
Haolongdong.
很久之前中国被排挤在太空技术圈之外，中国人只能一点点积累经验才有今天的成就，我觉得这没什么值得骄傲的，让我感到惊讶的是西方这几十年几乎原地踏步走，问题的关键是中国人努力追上了还是西方的技术发展停滞了？
@@佯谬 可回收火箭是一个不小的进步，不能说原地踏步啊。
This video bring out a silly question:
What is wrong with simply let the trash from space station being burn up in the atmosphere (instead of spend all the money to bring it back to Earth and THEN toss it into a trash can)?
You don't seem to remember that we did that with plastic at the start, and it came back to haunt us!
@@etoiledenoundi It's different. If we design things right, everything will be burned before it reaches to the ground.
For plastics, we just ship it to other poor countries and blame them for not dealing with them properly.
Not all is garbage. How to get the results from manufacturing in space, or experiments, etc back to Earth? Every ~6 months 1-2 tons of cargo is returned from ISS. This can include equipment needing refurbishment (spacesuits, etc)
It seems that the state owned companies are dealing with the tried and trusted technology while the private sector work out the finer details of reusable rocketry. When it comes to soft landing of spacecraft, obviously the shuttle glides to a runway in China, but where can the Chinese perform a splashdown?
I wonder what the economics are between: combined parachutes and some guidance rocketry to splashdown within a large lake target vs glide in horizontally to an airport vs vertical landing at a spaceport.
You seem to be stuck in a US restricted sphere of thought. Neither Russia nor China do "splash downs"
@Stephen-wc8fn There are too many factors.
As example exist several Russian estimations from different decades: splash is over expensive, VTL - just expensive, glide to airport - pretty cheap, but still more expensive than once used rocket.
Why? Because geography and economical system (Soviet/Russian industry in state property, used only local made resources and parts).
This question arrived:
- back in 1970s when USSR launched by ~100 rockets per year. Estimations not available in public, exist only references from memories.
- back in 1990s, when came capitalism (e.g. resources, like metals, from free got price - before it had no cost). Anyway still was more expensive (existed two projects: of vertical landing and jet-like landing). Interesting fact, Russia tried to sell own projects to 3rd countries, but nobody bought, instead everyone bought classical approach (e.g. South Korea ordered development of classical rocket).
- back in 2010s when space became pretty expensive, as result arrived estimations that horizontal landing can be more cheap in situation of at least ~180 launches per year (but there are no such goals).
Last two reports from 1990s and 2010 are semipublic.
@ I know that. I’m merely wondering if we could use modern guidance to do a targeted splashdown, and whether that offers advantages.
@ how interesting. Were you in the industry? What’s your view of vtl? China and US commercial launches are dropping big money on vtl, but I just don’t see the advantage over glide.
How Long?
Wonderful video. Do you have a separate channel for US space? It would be nice to have an indept understanding of their space venture from a reliable souce as well. Keep it going thanks
Thanks! I don’t have anything on the US space program, but I invite you to check out videos by Everyday Astronaut, Scott Manley, and many other quality UA-camrs on the topic.
Good report.. please expand your research for Chinese military and others Techs
😂 Nice try.. dude.. spying for you for free ??😢
Do your own research, dude😊
@@ssrae-2229 Man,you really anyone do spying in UA-cam?
There have other UA-camr do military and tech videos in the UA-cam
China needs to use this as the 2nd stage for their starship. Much better design than Elon's death trap.
Haolong Duck Dong
I'm a dumbass: Why does the waste have to be transported of the station? Can't you just chuck it out , and let it burn up in the atmosphere?
If you just chuck it out, there's a not small chance it will do a full orbit around the earth with you and hit you in the face. You have to spend fuel to deorbit it for it to touch the atmosphere.
That will become space junk.
@@rubadub79 nobody wants to be taken out by flying shit. If you're unlucky, it could be your own shit.
It isn't a dumbass question at all : the junk would simply pollute the orbit you're moving on and potentially be hazardous. The way to get rid of it is as they do on the ISS, pack it all up in a Progress cargo that will burn up thereafter in the atmosphere
Any waste chucked out of the station, may or may not come down and burn immediately. They probably stay in the orbit long enought to cause danger to any space craft they hit, as they are travelling at 17,700 miles per hour.
Imagine bullets only travel in 1,700 miles per hour.
Commercialization of building and launching spacecraft in China is different from USA’s. USA’s commercialization is afflicted by politic and corruption- less than one handful of companies participate: SpaceX, Boeing, Blue Origin. To date only Space X has been successful.
and which chinese commercial space flight has succeed , still heavily run by state owned companies
China has a spacestation??
bro... are you living under a rock or sth?
More CGI. More MODELS. Let me know when they actually fly the REAL thing. Not impressed at all.
Looks like a copy of the Dream Chaser spaceplane. Did China steal the specs?
the shape of it is far from that of dreamchaser if you actually pay attention and not be delusional. It's like calling the dreamchaser itself a copy of the x-37b just because they are spaceplanes
@@stevennotthe2997Dreamchaser’s wing is different from X37B,but you can notice similarities maybe 90% that haolong is looks like dreamchaser
There isn't much design options when it comes to spacecraft. Just like airplanes, subs, boats, cars, bikes have the same frame. The law of physics when it comes to efficiency is the same everywhere. Planets are round shape for a reason. The race is NOT to build something different because of national pride. Space should be the united frontier for humanity. Take the ISS for example. The US docking system is different from the Russian so because of that we have to build spacial devices to make them compatible. This is NOT a good thing, especially in space. Just imagine having different life support systems when it comes to spacesuits if one needs help. Oh I can't help you because our stuff aren't compatible with yours. If you actually follow the space race in China, it's not actually about copying. It's going with the most effective design. So if SpaceX comes up with something that's good and it works, the Chinese having the same is basically acknowledging you won this part of the race and we'll adopt your standard. So that is the race. It's racing to have the most STANDARDS.
When you can't compete but full of anger and jealousy, just simply say, "It's copy."
Yes, yes, no matter what design China is introducing, first of all, it must be stealing other people's design. What, you mean evidence? Look, they all have two wings
H O W L O N G ?
昊龙 to be exactly. One of the Chinese loong species from ancient fairy tales.
Haolong (pronounced howloong)
China's space program suffers from the same problem as NASA, BUREAUCRACY is in trenched and leadership is determined by politics and thus decisions are not technically based, generally poor. Boeing is a great example of this problem in the quasi commercial world. By that few customers and mostly the government.
Talk about your American system! China is not America. Why try to superimpose your American Space Program on the Chinese Program? Even their goals are different. What do you know about Chinese Bureaucracy apart from what is 'parroted' on your 'hate Media'? Or better still, your 'jealous Media'? If the Chinese 'Bureaucracy' was such as you are trying to portray it, China would not have 'left you in the dust' in record time in terms of infrastructure! Within less that 30years, they have made you look like some Third World Country!
Don’t believe the hype. Chyner isn’t even a real country anymore.
OF COURSE CHINA IS BEST IN COPY PASTE GAME
I'm waiting for the Chinese equivalent of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interkosmos build up your partners for the Chinese Lunar Base. Excellent reporting as I have been following the astonishing pace of CNSA certainly in comparison to the inertia... of NASA!