I recently used a Gridserve charging point ,whilst it worked well, like other public chargers it's way too expensive, it cost me £8.40 to put 38 miles of charge in @79p / kwh, this is more expensive than if I was filling up with an ICE car, as a.private.motorist I can't claim my fuel costs as an expense
I'm not an EV guy (and probably won't be) but I wish the EV community well. These charging stations come across as an airport experience, you need the service however you just want to get on with your journey..but you need to hang around.. I think petrol stations will be here for a while yet.. Have a great day everyone 👍
@woolychewbakker5277 The transition to EV may be quicker than most people think - and while ICE cars will indeed be around for a while, the cost of operating them will rise, while the cost of EV's will fall (this is already the case). Last year, Exxon Mobil, BP and EU/UK Forecourt giant "EG", who operate some 6000 forecourts, announced that they will all be investing hundreds of millions of Dollars/Euro/Pounds in installing EV charging units made by Tesla. It is widely appreciated that Tesla's charging technology is the best (charging points are 99.8% operative reliability, compared to between 60%-65% of non-Tesla charging points). Additionally, many petrol forecourts are going out of business. Only 18% of forecourt gross profit is the sale of fuel. 82% of gross profit is from the sales happening in the attached convenience store. Data from Statista states: "From 2000 to 2021, over 35 percent of UK petrol stations closed." It will become more of a hassle finding petrol as this trend increases, and petrol will become even more expensive. It won't be long before operating a ICE car is not eonomically viable for many divers - particularly those in big cities, many of which are now introducing restrictions on ICE engine cars and other congestion charges, and this will happen even in many remote areas. (In my town, two of the three petrol stations have closed... and if the remaining one shuts, the closest petrol station is 12 miles away. Interestingly, the remaining forecourt is owned by EG, and we understand it is one earmarked for early installation of Tesla charge points). In the UK, EV sales are growing exponentially... from 1.6% of new cars sold in 2019, to just under 7% in 2023, projected to be between 14% and 16% in 2024... For evey EV sold, one less ICE car is sold, and MOST manufacturers of ICE cars are already financially and commercially "precarious". There will come a point where making ICE cars is no longer economically viable (inverse economy of scale), and besides... comparable EV's will be cheaper to make and buy. So yes... ICE will be around for a while... but maybe not for as long as many predict.
@woolychewbakker5277 In theory, probably about 20+ years. But what we don't yet know, is how ULEZ schemes will play out, and whether the goal posts regarding emissions may be moved over time. There is also the possibility of emissions based parking charges on the horizon. These may play a part too, as will Shell's potential plans to cut production of petrol and diesel by up to 40% by 2030. The details were in Shell's last business report. Lots could happen in the years ahead.....
I've got an EV, but ICE cars are going no where whilst they can be bought, maintained and run cheaply. Getting people to swap to an EV when public charging is 80p a kWh is never going to happen. If you can't charge at home, don't bother.
@@markburton8303 I agree with your last point but not your first.. my annual service at an MG dealer this week was £68; my fuel is currently costing me around 2.5 - 3p / mile. The initial upfront cost is however very markedly different, that said there are lots of 2nd hand deals to be had, eg watch evm man. This doesnt touch on the superior driving experience nor environmental benefits of an ev too. I would drive an ev even if it were on a par with an ICE car for running costs, the initial outlay, for me, would be more than justified but each to his own..
Shell themselves outlined their plan to cut production of petrol and diesel by up to 40% on the lead up to 2030. The details were in Shell's last business report. And remember, from this point onwards, 22% of *all* new car sales *must* be emissions free vehicles. There is a fine of £15k for *each* vehicle sold outside this new legislation. This alone means that new cars from this point onwards, will require 22% less petrol and diesel. And that 22% sales figure *increases* the closer we get to 2035. Now do you see it? In 5 years time, petrol outlets will not be as numerous as they are today..... By 2035, 100% of *all* new cars and vans sold *must* be emissions free, with new ICE sales banned. The profit margins on pump sales are very tight. If sales volumes tumbled by something like 40%, it would be curtains for the retail fuel industry. People then insisting of sticking with ICE would need to begin considering alternatives, such as Aspen synthetic petrol, which has been available in Britain for decades. But at around £30 a gallon, at least the queues aren't likely to be long......
@Brian-om2hh So the price of secondhand Little Toyota Diesels is going to go thru the roof in the next few year's and even more so after 2035, No need for Petrol stations because we can just all run them on old chip fat or vegetable oil unless there going to ban all form's of oil 🛢 😂😂😂
there will be less petrol station the numbers have been falling for years. But there will still be some until there is no petrol cars or were petrol station do not make a big enough profit from over charging drivers to put in petrol. Petrol countries are reducing there production to increase prices at the pump. So they can steal as much money from silly petrol drivers
I'd love to see more forecourts appearing, we have a proliferation of charging hubs but some of these are a bit of a soulless experience as you sit in a car with a dozen other people on the outskirts of a retail park with no cover and no toilets. If Toddington could just look a little further West for the next sites I might actually get to see one.
When the novelty wears off you might find spending hours in some forecourt lounge when you just want to get somewhere loses its appeal, especially when you need to get somewhere urgently.
Your post is typical of what the average non EV owner perceives EV ownership to be like. So many misconceptions...... I spent just 54 minutes charging once during a 400 mile round trip. I ate a pleasant pub lunch while my car charged, and the app on my phone let me know once the charge was complete. I've never spent "hours" charging anywhere. You clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about...
@@Brian-om2hh, when you buy an EV, over the time you own it you will rack up many hours of waiting, I fill up my petrol car in under 5 minutes and it is good for over 600 miles, EVs create more pollution overall and children are being forced to mine the lithium and cobalt needed to manufacture the batteries, not that you care, the thing I least like is having the freedom to choose taken away, I'm not against EVs or petrol and diesel, people should have the right to choose, people on low income are going to be forced to go without a car which I think is wrong.
More of these full Electric Forecourts at key locations will be welcome. The charging isn't an issue, but waiting just sat in your car is. If you stop at one of these or chargers next to facilities, you can recharge whilst your car does. In my experience, the EV outlasts me, so I just stop and charge when grabbing coffeee and a bite to eat.
This is excellent but also I'd like to see hundreds of 3Kw chargers in an EV section of the car parks they have at the major UK airports so you are fully charged when you get back and no need for an extra 1/2 hr.. Maybe just a dedicated EV car park amongst all the many sections they have where the charging cost is included. A relative of mine with an EV is flying out of LGW later this year i expect he will use this , I look forward to his report he was somewhat sweary about Cobham M25* last year 🤣 (I also will be at LGW in a couple months but wont need a charge) Also well done for getting an invite to the opening, your 15 min of fame has arrived ! * I know its been expanded recently but a tweet today implies its full already !
I couldn't help but think the same when looking out the window at the thousands of cars in the Long Stay car park! I visited Cobham yesterday too on the way to this - there's 18 IONITY units there now which is a massive improvement!
I'm no fan of Amazon and the people-less, offshore profiteering that deprives the community of jobs and the country of tax revenues. I know it suits the super rich but it pushes those at the bottom of society further down and out of sight so, out of mind. Tech can be awesome but the social consequences need to be considered too.
@@derekcole4949 It could in theory, but until its supported by CCS and then supported by OEMs and then there are enough cars that support that, its not going to happen. So 10 years off maybe. What would be easier to implement , could be done now and indeed is part of the way Gridserve works, is large battery banks they can buffer the grid with and feed EVs in off peak times.You could easily imagine a bank of batteries feeding hundreds of low power CCS that charge off peak when the batteries are getting full. (this is aside the issue of, when i park my car do i want its battery to be cycled multiple times with no benefit to me? Unless i get cheaper parking and charging perhaps? PLus its potentially unreliable for the operator, what number capacity of batteries do they have available in all those cars? Easier to have known storage with known charge and discharge characteristics thats always there.
Gridserve originally announced they were building 100 of these in the next 5 years (that was 5 years ago!) I can see them building maybe 10 altogether, there's now lots and lots of competition from other CPOs with hubs. And now Sainsburys are adding 4-12 Rapid chargers at most of their supermarkets, to me that's a game changer.
How much per kw hour ? , how long do you expect to stay there ? , when I last went to a petrol station I paid at the pump and was there for no more than 5 mins , I didn’t have a guru to tell me how the pumps work .
Will drive to the supermarket today, plug in the cable, 20min shopping is enough 10-80%, you dont have to stand next to the car while charging. Fast charging here in Hannover/germany is 38cents/kWh currently, at home its 36cents. Prices vary a bit, cheaper in other countries. Some charge stations are more expensive, your choice to choose
@@davidwilson4468 ouch ! Look for alternatives, over here in the EU the Tesla SuC network is simpler to use and is more on the lower range of prices. As a Tesla owner so get the lower price without monthly fees. Charged for 38cents today.
Not exactly the same, it takes much longer to charge than to grab a coffee. I have just driven 200 miles, mostly on motorways, to Kent from the Midlands and stopped once to grab a coffee at a drive through Costa on the M1. We stopped for no more than 10 minutes before continuing the journey. The return trip will probably be the same too. @@johniooi3954
The thing i hate about GRIDSERVE is that the charging is 24hr, but the toilets close at 10p.m. So no shops or coffee either. This made it hard fro me going down to Braintree as i had to charge on the way down not the way back. As if i needed the toilet it would be closed. I hope they change this for future customers
Gary, yours has been the best, most comprehensive presentation on this new hub I've seen so far. I watched the long version and really enjoyed it. This one I can show my other half who has less time to watch than I do. Really wish i could get to one of the Gridserve chatging hubs but I'm not getting out much these days. Thats why I so appreciate what you've shown us here, thanks.👍
Noooo!!!! I used to live near Gatwick and I know it DOES rain there. I do not want to draw up to charge my car and have to open my car door in a rainstorm with no cover. This is bloody ridiculous.
Its not sad,its the reality, EV'ers don't want to admit their cars cost more in the long run,almost a throw away item after 8-10 years, even less if these high power chargers are used frequently.@@ModernHeroes
Sorry but this shopping experience sounds soulless. Lots of us like a smile at the checkout. This is just a way to employ fewer people whilst charging more.
Its and interesting concept, and definitely makes public charging almost seem attractive. If you consider these types of stops when you are road tripping or driving long distances, they would be amazing. The comment at the end: 'more cost effective than petrol and diesel', that's just nonsense, with public charging being more expensive than running even a petrol car. Charging needs to be around 30-40p per kWh max in order for it to be comparable or attractive.
I like that they are installing these now as they are needed. I don't see these places lasting more than 10-15 years though as other places (like the Sainsbury announcement) will take over.
You might be interested in the charging stations that I use most. My nearest charging station is a BP Pulse at the M&S Food store in Hoddesdon and the other is the Pod Point charging station at Tesco, Brookf
They look great. But, and I might be in the minority here, I probably won't visit one in the foreseeable future because the price is just too high. I'll spend a few minutes online and find somewhere else cheaper, even if it means I have to wait to charge or make a small detour. My journeys are never that time-critical.
I agree the pricing isn't great at the moment though I'm not sure I'd ever find myself willingly waiting to charge just to save a few pence per kWh. People who charge at home most of the time and only ever use facilities like this on long journeys don't need to worry about the cost - it's frequent users that are hit hard.
Not sure I fully agree we go through France from Merseyside a few times a year and the price per kw can make a big difference, we use ionity as I have an Audi transit card which keeps the cost down, I try to avoid Gidserve as I went through a phase of rolli gup to their chargers and them not working although I have never been to a hub
@@ModernHeroesI wasn't pointing finger's at your good self more at CEO,s and such like who usually never practise what they preach. Very interesting video and I really enjoyed watching it. 👍👍👍
I don't actually mind check-out queues. It's check-out _machines_ that talk to me as if I were a baby in a pushchair or a simpleton that I refuse to tolerate. That Amazon system looks like a good alternative if it's reliable.
Great video. I think that these type of charging parks are vitally important, but I also think that it’s important more destination chargers are provided at say general car parks and tourist attractions etc. sometimes it’s very frustrating when you’ve had a day out somewhere and spent 3-4 hours there and could have used that time charging. But I appreciate it’s easier said than done.
@ModernHeroes I live in Crawley next to Gatwick and in Faygate around the corner from me they have just built a brand new petrol station and it does have three chargers
As well as sites like this. I would rather see, as Sainsburys have started, so expect others to follow & then as Norway, where petrol stations are removing pumps & adding chargers.
Irony of not queuing for a meal deal but if all petrol stations were gone and everyone drove an EV you better bet you’ll be queuing to charge your car instead 😂😂
I think we do like check out lines we do like staff interaction we don't like faceless stores and tablet shopping. You will need to queue as there is only one exit.
Just can't believe this. There is a whole dialogue being created about transforming a 5 minute ice fill up with "an experience" and its being sold to us as the future.......It is frankly just trying to justify a technology which if up to the job would not require lounges or overpriced minimarts. When is somebody in authority going to shout "the emporer has got no clothes on". Please for the live of god do it soon whoever you may.
Ah but it's not really the same as you can't decide how long you want to be there. Most service stops are for a quick comfort stop and you're back on your way. These stops are for generally a bit longer aren't they? Please stop trying to justify the unjustifiable 😂
Silly title ... or maybe not!! Near me (Wollaton), when Lidl took the supermarket over from Waitrose, they ripped out the petrol station, now replaced with 7 rapid chargers. Actually I think it is the rural petrol stations are most at risk, but they will be replaced with people charging at home.
A new Sainsbury’s store in Southport recently had a planning amendment applied for to remove the petrol station from the plans and replace it with a charging hub!
I think there is a big problem in the EV market, the supply and demand is now out of ballance, supply is up, demand isn't up by as much. Another worrying point is that there is a large percentage of EV owners who say they wouldn't buy another.
So what will these EV buyers who say they wouldn't buy another, be driving around in once ICE cars are no longer sold new, and the pool of existing older ICE cars begins to diminish? By then of course, the EV's on offer will probably be hugely improved over the earlier versions they owned......
Pricy isn't the word, rip off yes. I would if I had an EV,, have a flask, make my own sandwiches with the crust cut off and in triangles and a book to read, in the traditional EV fashion.
I don’t know who the supplier will be, but Stansted airport is currently building an area for 10 rapid chargers along with a coffee shop and food outlet. Just off the roundabout at the front of the terminal building.
So Mattman, any thoughts or comments on why Shell outlined their plans to cut production of petrol and diesel by up to 40% on the lead up to 2030? The details were in Shell's last business report.... You perhaps also need to factor in the recent legal requirement for car dealerships to sell a minimum of 22% emissions free new cars and vans from this point onwards. That will of course mean that 22% of all new cars and vans from now onwards will use zero petrol or diesel. And the 22% sales targets are to be raised at regular intervals, right up to 2035. And if sales volumes of petrol and diesel fall, and continue falling, then surely it will result in fewer petrol stations?.. How could there be any other outcome?
Can buy the exact same sandwich and drink with a snack for £3.50 at Co-Op so I’d say it’s pretty pricey (that would’ve been over £7 here) but as I say, I suspect there’s a degree of airport pricing in effect.
The shop it was hard to see any prices . i guess it hard to steal like what they can do in supermarkets. They have had planning permission for 2 year for Gateshead but still nothing, I guess due to working on the motorway is more important. than there in city forecourts
Actually Derek, given the cost of petrol, along with one of the highest rates of fuel duty anywhere in the civilised World, I'd have thought a full car wash, valet, washer bottle top up etc, all provided by 21 year old blondes in cheerleader dress ought to be included, even if help to fill up wasn't....
So 22 350kWh chargers along with various other chargers….. Where will they be getting the electricity from to provide all the energy required at those levels?? Sounds like a small villages supply of energy would be required….
Significant amount of solar on the roof and battery storage on site help a lot, though I don’t remember airports being in places that were particularly short of power.
The title is actually a slow-burner. Realistically, it might take a decade before the percentage of cars on the roads that are BEV make inroads into the petrol supply chain, but inevitably petrol stations are doomed. Given that many are SMEs, long before they disappear, they will become unsellable debt-traps. No industry can sail unscathed through the eventual permanent loss of 10%, 20% or 30% of their market.
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I was in Gridserve Braintree today and enjoyed a few hours of back to back test drives! Lovely helpful staff. Thank you.
Enjoy it while you can many of these charging companies are losing money hand over fist.
@@xraylife Absolutely...
I recently used a Gridserve charging point ,whilst it worked well, like other public chargers it's way too expensive, it cost me £8.40 to put 38 miles of charge in @79p / kwh, this is more expensive than if I was filling up with an ICE car, as a.private.motorist I can't claim my fuel costs as an expense
Gridserve is my first choice for charging, they got it right first time, the others should take note.
I'm not an EV guy (and probably won't be) but I wish the EV community well.
These charging stations come across as an airport experience, you need the service however you just want to get on with your journey..but you need to hang around..
I think petrol stations will be here for a while yet..
Have a great day everyone 👍
@woolychewbakker5277 The transition to EV may be quicker than most people think - and while ICE cars will indeed be around for a while, the cost of operating them will rise, while the cost of EV's will fall (this is already the case). Last year, Exxon Mobil, BP and EU/UK Forecourt giant "EG", who operate some 6000 forecourts, announced that they will all be investing hundreds of millions of Dollars/Euro/Pounds in installing EV charging units made by Tesla. It is widely appreciated that Tesla's charging technology is the best (charging points are 99.8% operative reliability, compared to between 60%-65% of non-Tesla charging points).
Additionally, many petrol forecourts are going out of business. Only 18% of forecourt gross profit is the sale of fuel. 82% of gross profit is from the sales happening in the attached convenience store. Data from Statista states: "From 2000 to 2021, over 35 percent of UK petrol stations closed."
It will become more of a hassle finding petrol as this trend increases, and petrol will become even more expensive. It won't be long before operating a ICE car is not eonomically viable for many divers - particularly those in big cities, many of which are now introducing restrictions on ICE engine cars and other congestion charges, and this will happen even in many remote areas. (In my town, two of the three petrol stations have closed... and if the remaining one shuts, the closest petrol station is 12 miles away. Interestingly, the remaining forecourt is owned by EG, and we understand it is one earmarked for early installation of Tesla charge points).
In the UK, EV sales are growing exponentially... from 1.6% of new cars sold in 2019, to just under 7% in 2023, projected to be between 14% and 16% in 2024... For evey EV sold, one less ICE car is sold, and MOST manufacturers of ICE cars are already financially and commercially "precarious". There will come a point where making ICE cars is no longer economically viable (inverse economy of scale), and besides... comparable EV's will be cheaper to make and buy.
So yes... ICE will be around for a while... but maybe not for as long as many predict.
@woolychewbakker5277 In theory, probably about 20+ years. But what we don't yet know, is how ULEZ schemes will play out, and whether the goal posts regarding emissions may be moved over time. There is also the possibility of emissions based parking charges on the horizon. These may play a part too, as will Shell's potential plans to cut production of petrol and diesel by up to 40% by 2030. The details were in Shell's last business report. Lots could happen in the years ahead.....
I've got an EV, but ICE cars are going no where whilst they can be bought, maintained and run cheaply. Getting people to swap to an EV when public charging is 80p a kWh is never going to happen. If you can't charge at home, don't bother.
@@markburton8303 👍 absolutely..
@@markburton8303 I agree with your last point but not your first.. my annual service at an MG dealer this week was £68; my fuel is currently costing me around 2.5 - 3p / mile. The initial upfront cost is however very markedly different, that said there are lots of 2nd hand deals to be had, eg watch evm man. This doesnt touch on the superior driving experience nor environmental benefits of an ev too. I would drive an ev even if it were on a par with an ICE car for running costs, the initial outlay, for me, would be more than justified but each to his own..
End of petrol stations? Nah!
Shell themselves outlined their plan to cut production of petrol and diesel by up to 40% on the lead up to 2030. The details were in Shell's last business report. And remember, from this point onwards, 22% of *all* new car sales *must* be emissions free vehicles. There is a fine of £15k for *each* vehicle sold outside this new legislation. This alone means that new cars from this point onwards, will require 22% less petrol and diesel. And that 22% sales figure *increases* the closer we get to 2035. Now do you see it? In 5 years time, petrol outlets will not be as numerous as they are today..... By 2035, 100% of *all* new cars and vans sold *must* be emissions free, with new ICE sales banned. The profit margins on pump sales are very tight. If sales volumes tumbled by something like 40%, it would be curtains for the retail fuel industry. People then insisting of sticking with ICE would need to begin considering alternatives, such as Aspen synthetic petrol, which has been available in Britain for decades. But at around £30 a gallon, at least the queues aren't likely to be long......
@Brian-om2hh So the price of secondhand Little Toyota Diesels is going to go thru the roof in the next few year's and even more so after 2035, No need for Petrol stations because we can just all run them on old chip fat or vegetable oil unless there going to ban all form's of oil 🛢 😂😂😂
@@stephenjones9153 Good luck with that...... Where will you get old chip fat on longer trips using the motorway network?
there will be less petrol station the numbers have been falling for years.
But there will still be some until there is no petrol cars or were petrol station do not make a big enough profit from over charging drivers to put in petrol.
Petrol countries are reducing there production to increase prices at the pump.
So they can steal as much money from silly petrol drivers
@@davidsworld5837 you need to go back to school. How can you expect anyone to take your comment seriously with all those spelling mistakes?
I'd love to see more forecourts appearing, we have a proliferation of charging hubs but some of these are a bit of a soulless experience as you sit in a car with a dozen other people on the outskirts of a retail park with no cover and no toilets. If Toddington could just look a little further West for the next sites I might actually get to see one.
Stevenage A1 hub has started construction
When the novelty wears off you might find spending hours in some forecourt lounge when you just want to get somewhere loses its appeal, especially when you need to get somewhere urgently.
Nobody’s spending hours anywhere 🤷♂️
Hours?
If anyone’s spending hours there they clearly love it and don’t want to leave.
Your post is typical of what the average non EV owner perceives EV ownership to be like. So many misconceptions...... I spent just 54 minutes charging once during a 400 mile round trip. I ate a pleasant pub lunch while my car charged, and the app on my phone let me know once the charge was complete. I've never spent "hours" charging anywhere. You clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about...
@@Brian-om2hh, when you buy an EV, over the time you own it you will rack up many hours of waiting, I fill up my petrol car in under 5 minutes and it is good for over 600 miles, EVs create more pollution overall and children are being forced to mine the lithium and cobalt needed to manufacture the batteries, not that you care, the thing I least like is having the freedom to choose taken away, I'm not against EVs or petrol and diesel, people should have the right to choose, people on low income are going to be forced to go without a car which I think is wrong.
More of these full Electric Forecourts at key locations will be welcome. The charging isn't an issue, but waiting just sat in your car is. If you stop at one of these or chargers next to facilities, you can recharge whilst your car does.
In my experience, the EV outlasts me, so I just stop and charge when grabbing coffeee and a bite to eat.
People don't like check out lines yet are willing to wait for hours to charge their cars.... Hmmm makes sense!
Nobody using this facility is waiting hours for anything 🤷♂️
So taking away interaction jobs and cash definitely not my future
Isn't the home and destination charger the end of the petrol forecourt and this is the evolution of it?
This is excellent but also I'd like to see hundreds of 3Kw chargers in an EV section of the car parks they have at the major UK airports so you are fully charged when you get back and no need for an extra 1/2 hr.. Maybe just a dedicated EV car park amongst all the many sections they have where the charging cost is included. A relative of mine with an EV is flying out of LGW later this year i expect he will use this , I look forward to his report he was somewhat sweary about Cobham M25* last year 🤣 (I also will be at LGW in a couple months but wont need a charge)
Also well done for getting an invite to the opening, your 15 min of fame has arrived !
* I know its been expanded recently but a tweet today implies its full already !
I couldn't help but think the same when looking out the window at the thousands of cars in the Long Stay car park!
I visited Cobham yesterday too on the way to this - there's 18 IONITY units there now which is a massive improvement!
Long stay Airport parking is ideal for V2G. Could benefit both customer and supplier.
@@derekcole4949free parking in exchange for grid services
I'm no fan of Amazon and the people-less, offshore profiteering that deprives the community of jobs and the country of tax revenues.
I know it suits the super rich but it pushes those at the bottom of society further down and out of sight so, out of mind.
Tech can be awesome but the social consequences need to be considered too.
@@derekcole4949 It could in theory, but until its supported by CCS and then supported by OEMs and then there are enough cars that support that, its not going to happen. So 10 years off maybe.
What would be easier to implement , could be done now and indeed is part of the way Gridserve works, is large battery banks they can buffer the grid with and feed EVs in off peak times.You could easily imagine a bank of batteries feeding hundreds of low power CCS that charge off peak when the batteries are getting full.
(this is aside the issue of, when i park my car do i want its battery to be cycled multiple times with no benefit to me? Unless i get cheaper parking and charging perhaps? PLus its potentially unreliable for the operator, what number capacity of batteries do they have available in all those cars? Easier to have known storage with known charge and discharge characteristics thats always there.
Gridserve originally announced they were building 100 of these in the next 5 years (that was 5 years ago!) I can see them building maybe 10 altogether, there's now lots and lots of competition from other CPOs with hubs. And now Sainsburys are adding 4-12 Rapid chargers at most of their supermarkets, to me that's a game changer.
How much per kw hour ? , how long do you expect to stay there ? , when I last went to a petrol station I paid at the pump and was there for no more than 5 mins , I didn’t have a guru to tell me how the pumps work .
Will drive to the supermarket today, plug in the cable, 20min shopping is enough 10-80%, you dont have to stand next to the car while charging. Fast charging here in Hannover/germany is 38cents/kWh currently, at home its 36cents. Prices vary a bit, cheaper in other countries. Some charge stations are more expensive, your choice to choose
According to the Gridserve website its 79 pence per kWh
So you stop & get a coffee, while you are charging. People stop in ICE for comfort breaks, so this is just the same.
@@davidwilson4468 ouch ! Look for alternatives, over here in the EU the Tesla SuC network is simpler to use and is more on the lower range of prices. As a Tesla owner so get the lower price without monthly fees. Charged for 38cents today.
Not exactly the same, it takes much longer to charge than to grab a coffee. I have just driven 200 miles, mostly on motorways, to Kent from the Midlands and stopped once to grab a coffee at a drive through Costa on the M1. We stopped for no more than 10 minutes before continuing the journey. The return trip will probably be the same too. @@johniooi3954
The thing i hate about GRIDSERVE is that the charging is 24hr, but the toilets close at 10p.m. So no shops or coffee either. This made it hard fro me going down to Braintree as i had to charge on the way down not the way back. As if i needed the toilet it would be closed. I hope they change this for future customers
I Believe that the Government are going to introduce another new law requiring all New EV,s are to be supplied with a Plastic toilet 🚻 😉 😂😂
Gary, yours has been the best, most comprehensive presentation on this new hub I've seen so far. I watched the long version and really enjoyed it. This one I can show my other half who has less time to watch than I do. Really wish i could get to one of the Gridserve chatging hubs but I'm not getting out much these days. Thats why I so appreciate what you've shown us here, thanks.👍
Thank you!
Noooo!!!! I used to live near Gatwick and I know it DOES rain there. I do not want to draw up to charge my car and have to open my car door in a rainstorm with no cover. This is bloody ridiculous.
Most of the chargers are under the building
I will be visiting the Gatwick Gridserve site today, looking forward to seeing it in the flesh.
A lot of people will use it as a free drop off point so thank you grid serv
The camera troubles sound like a nightmare. Especially if you got the camera in time for this event and it went wrong.
Any odds on how long before they go belly up?
It must be really hard work being this miserable. Sad really.
What a weak attempt at an insult @@ModernHeroes
He thought you meant the Gridserve but you obviously meant petrol station.
Its not sad,its the reality, EV'ers don't want to admit their cars cost more in the long run,almost a throw away item after 8-10 years, even less if these high power chargers are used frequently.@@ModernHeroes
Sorry but this shopping experience sounds soulless. Lots of us like a smile at the checkout. This is just a way to employ fewer people whilst charging more.
Agree to some extent but in a convenience format like this where all you actually want to do is grab a sandwich quickly it works very well.
Its and interesting concept, and definitely makes public charging almost seem attractive. If you consider these types of stops when you are road tripping or driving long distances, they would be amazing. The comment at the end: 'more cost effective than petrol and diesel', that's just nonsense, with public charging being more expensive than running even a petrol car. Charging needs to be around 30-40p per kWh max in order for it to be comparable or attractive.
I like that they are installing these now as they are needed. I don't see these places lasting more than 10-15 years though as other places (like the Sainsbury announcement) will take over.
You might be interested in the charging stations that I use most. My nearest charging station is a BP Pulse at the M&S Food store in Hoddesdon and the other is the Pod Point charging station at Tesco, Brookf
Geoff would freak out at the idea of having to have an app to shop, let alone cameras watching and tracking what you buy 😅😅😅
There’s no need for an app, you scan a contactless payment method at the entrance.
@@ModernHeroes I know, was just poking a bit of fun at Geoff, "control" and all that 😉
Better than petrol stations 😂😂😂😂.
No canopies so you get wet. Forced to eat, read or do emails because charging takes so much longer. What a joke
The majority of the chargers are under the building 🤷♂️ imagine being forced to take a break in a nice lounge, how awful.
If it was raining, you'd sit in your car surely? "Forced to eat"? So you never eat then?
Please can someone tell me how much it costs to charge for an hour at gridserve?
Charging is billed by kWh, not time, so that would be entirely dependent on the car.
They should have an EV rental desk and cars on hand in each of the Gridserve locations
I look forward to seeing more videos of this.👍🏻👏🏻
So there will be more huge charging car parks and taking up more land instead of a small footprint of a petrol station. 😂
They look great. But, and I might be in the minority here, I probably won't visit one in the foreseeable future because the price is just too high. I'll spend a few minutes online and find somewhere else cheaper, even if it means I have to wait to charge or make a small detour. My journeys are never that time-critical.
I agree the pricing isn't great at the moment though I'm not sure I'd ever find myself willingly waiting to charge just to save a few pence per kWh. People who charge at home most of the time and only ever use facilities like this on long journeys don't need to worry about the cost - it's frequent users that are hit hard.
Not sure I fully agree we go through France from Merseyside a few times a year and the price per kw can make a big difference, we use ionity as I have an Audi transit card which keeps the cost down, I try to avoid Gidserve as I went through a phase of rolli gup to their chargers and them not working although I have never been to a hub
9:50 For the south-east and esp the Gatwick area the prices are very reasonable
It would be interesting to hear how everyone at this event got there ?? Did they all travel in there Electric Vehicles??.
Or did they Fly there.
There were a lot of EVs in the area we were told to park in - I certainly didn’t fly there from Gloucester 🤷♂️
What's a there electric vehicle?
@@ModernHeroesI wasn't pointing finger's at your good self more at CEO,s and such like who usually never practise what they preach.
Very interesting video and I really enjoyed watching it. 👍👍👍
@@Brian-om2hhIn there Electric Car.😊
@@stephenjones9153 Ah right, they travelled there in there electric car..... Try their 😁😁
I don't actually mind check-out queues. It's check-out _machines_ that talk to me as if I were a baby in a pushchair or a simpleton that I refuse to tolerate. That Amazon system looks like a good alternative if it's reliable.
Great video.
I think that these type of charging parks are vitally important, but I also think that it’s important more destination chargers are provided at say general car parks and tourist attractions etc. sometimes it’s very frustrating when you’ve had a day out somewhere and spent 3-4 hours there and could have used that time charging. But I appreciate it’s easier said than done.
If you look across the road there is a petrol station next to McDonald's and kfc
For now.
@ModernHeroes I live in Crawley next to Gatwick and in Faygate around the corner from me they have just built a brand new petrol station and it does have three chargers
As well as sites like this. I would rather see, as Sainsburys have started, so expect others to follow & then as Norway, where petrol stations are removing pumps & adding chargers.
Irony of not queuing for a meal deal but if all petrol stations were gone and everyone drove an EV you better bet you’ll be queuing to charge your car instead 😂😂
With sites like this in loads of locations and ultra rapid charging support in cars even more commonplace than it is today? Not so sure.
I think we do like check out lines we do like staff interaction we don't like faceless stores and tablet shopping. You will need to queue as there is only one exit.
There’s two exits - why would you need to queue if the barrier automatically opens when you approach it?
I guess assuming it does and if not big issue.@@ModernHeroes
Just can't believe this. There is a whole dialogue being created about transforming a 5 minute ice fill up with "an experience" and its being sold to us as the future.......It is frankly just trying to justify a technology which if up to the job would not require lounges or overpriced minimarts. When is somebody in authority going to shout "the emporer has got no clothes on". Please for the live of god do it soon whoever you may.
Oh no, a better facility than existing service stations, how terribly awful!
Ah but it's not really the same as you can't decide how long you want to be there. Most service stops are for a quick comfort stop and you're back on your way. These stops are for generally a bit longer aren't they? Please stop trying to justify the unjustifiable 😂
Silly title ... or maybe not!! Near me (Wollaton), when Lidl took the supermarket over from Waitrose, they ripped out the petrol station, now replaced with 7 rapid chargers. Actually I think it is the rural petrol stations are most at risk, but they will be replaced with people charging at home.
A new Sainsbury’s store in Southport recently
had a planning amendment applied for to remove the petrol station from the plans and replace it with a charging hub!
I think there is a big problem in the EV market, the supply and demand is now out of ballance, supply is up, demand isn't up by as much. Another worrying point is that there is a large percentage of EV owners who say they wouldn't buy another.
...got any sources for these statements?
So what will these EV buyers who say they wouldn't buy another, be driving around in once ICE cars are no longer sold new, and the pool of existing older ICE cars begins to diminish? By then of course, the EV's on offer will probably be hugely improved over the earlier versions they owned......
Pricy isn't the word, rip off yes. I would if I had an EV,, have a flask, make my own sandwiches with the crust cut off and in triangles and a book to read, in the traditional EV fashion.
I wonder how long before Gridserve expands to regional airports such as Edinburgh, given the rapidly growing number of EVs in this locality?
I don’t know who the supplier will be, but Stansted airport is currently building an area for 10 rapid chargers along with a coffee shop and food outlet. Just off the roundabout at the front of the terminal building.
rather than all those 350kw chargers they could have 2 x 150kw and 1 x 50kw as most cars cant do 350kw and 3 charegrs would be better than 1 charger
There’s no room on that site for any more though so this would just disadvantage those that can charge faster.
I think the pricing is similar to normal motorway services. Love to see more hubs around the country 😁
tesla is first for charging- no screens, plenty of chargers at each location, brilliant route planning, time of use charging, idle fees etc etc etc
Do they still install chademo?
Yes! Not on every unit though.
This is the end of the petrol station,,,I somehow don't think so.
You’re wrong but okay 👍
So Mattman, any thoughts or comments on why Shell outlined their plans to cut production of petrol and diesel by up to 40% on the lead up to 2030? The details were in Shell's last business report.... You perhaps also need to factor in the recent legal requirement for car dealerships to sell a minimum of 22% emissions free new cars and vans from this point onwards. That will of course mean that 22% of all new cars and vans from now onwards will use zero petrol or diesel. And the 22% sales targets are to be raised at regular intervals, right up to 2035. And if sales volumes of petrol and diesel fall, and continue falling, then surely it will result in fewer petrol stations?.. How could there be any other outcome?
Really not pricey, sadly. I wince every time I buy a readymade sandwich these days
Can buy the exact same sandwich and drink with a snack for £3.50 at Co-Op so I’d say it’s pretty pricey (that would’ve been over £7 here) but as I say, I suspect there’s a degree of airport pricing in effect.
The shop it was hard to see any prices .
i guess it hard to steal like what they can do in supermarkets.
They have had planning permission for 2 year for Gateshead but still nothing, I guess due to working on the motorway is more important. than there in city forecourts
So if I roll up in my Little Toyota Diesel ⛽️ will I be able to park up for Free and go in for a Butty and a Cuppa Tea 🍵 and sit in the Lounge??
Absolutely - there’s parking for non EVs (or those that don’t need to charge) and it’s encouraged!
You need help to charge? I don't need any help to fill my ICE at a pump, and I don't require refreshments. I require to continue my journey a.s.a.p.
People moan when these facilities aren’t available and then moan when they are, remarkable.
Actually Derek, given the cost of petrol, along with one of the highest rates of fuel duty anywhere in the civilised World, I'd have thought a full car wash, valet, washer bottle top up etc, all provided by 21 year old blondes in cheerleader dress ought to be included, even if help to fill up wasn't....
So 22 350kWh chargers along with various other chargers….. Where will they be getting the electricity from to provide all the energy required at those levels?? Sounds like a small villages supply of energy would be required….
Significant amount of solar on the roof and battery storage on site help a lot, though I don’t remember airports being in places that were particularly short of power.
What?! Sometimes charging is a little bit iffy? Isn't that what MacMaster says? Then you make a video saying he is a moron, charging is really easy.
If you look *closely* at MacMaster's MO, you'll see that it isn't just his charging that is iffy.......
He’s not gonna shag you mate. I think you’ll find I didn’t at any point say chargers always work as intended 100% of the time 🤷♂️
Great video. Ginsters Cheese and Onion pasty for me please! 😋
Misleading headline.
Misleading comment.
How so?@@ModernHeroes
Fastned not far behind if you see a brown field site they might be worth a call
Silly title, interesting video.
The title is actually a slow-burner. Realistically, it might take a decade before the percentage of cars on the roads that are BEV make inroads into the petrol supply chain, but inevitably petrol stations are doomed. Given that many are SMEs, long before they disappear, they will become unsellable debt-traps. No industry can sail unscathed through the eventual permanent loss of 10%, 20% or 30% of their market.
What a load of BS !!!!
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What an informed comment on the video full of details of your issue with it
Actually no Burning Stuff.
While all rather convivial and pleasant right now, I wonder what GridServe Forecourts will be like when EV’s filter out to the wider driving public 🤔