ZX14R ! I could have bought either one but liked the look and versatility of the ZX. If I could just get catless pipes and flash I'd be happy. My warranty cant end soon enough!! Awsome Video..
I have a 2016 ZX14R SE and it is the best all around motorcycle in the world and still one of the fastest on earth too. It’s got the power the looks and it’s extremely comfortable too
Unfortunately yes but not completely you can take the top mounts loose and with something under the engine let the engine rotate down. A couple other things have to be removed as well like radiator etc, not real fun to do.
I already got a ZX14R and Gen 2 Busa , both flashed , PC5 generic Brocks map on pump gas, BST wheels + ceramics and Brocks CT Meg on both of them streeters , so I would really love that H2 beauty . Going to get my 14R tuned shortly , got 199hp base figure so hoping for few more even on pump gas .
Can't wait to see him work his magic on the upcoming Kawasaki ZH2!! Now that would be a better drag bike than the 14R in my opinion. Guess we'll see later this year.
I just trip how they were up in arms bout the Busa. Then H2 throws up the finger& doesn't get no blow back. I mean I won't mind seeing a little competition against Kawi. But that's just me...lol
Wait a minute. Didn't the Busa hold the 👑 for 10 yr? Kawi got lucky w the H2. Don't think everyone gave them crap like they did Suzuki. Europe was crying cuz the Busa passed a Porsche@150 on the Autobahn in a commercial. Give me that turbo Busa that killed them H2s any day. Or the one killing everything on that trc video
@@chaz951 i can't answer your first question with facts but ill say probably not. Can't verify years right off but the zx12r was the fastest production bike at one point. Suzuki might have gained with the gen 2 busa but me personally would take a gen 2 zx14r over the hayabusa (I bleed green maybe biased lol) if I had the choice of a turbo busa or a h2 I'd probably go with the busa and make 400+hp and have the aerodynamics to go with it. Offer me a turbo zx14r though and ill take it everyday of the week. Not knocking any manufacturers all the bikes they've been building for the past 2 decades have been balls to the wall for the most part.
Power to weight is important. Where the horsepower and torque are made is important. For street you want most the torque and horsepower below 9500 rpm, the Goldilocks area. For tract, peak horsepower at increasing rpm is more important. The dyno chart tells the story. Hard to ride a peaky street bike around town at 14,000 rpm all the time
Great comparison, I know it's not a smart idea but I was thinking to buy a zx14r as a first bike. But what if I decrease the swingarm and increase the steering rod? Is it still not recommendable? Or should I modify the ECU to make it a little more safe to drive?
My first bike is 2020 zx14r- if you are mature and not stupid - put in low power respect the throttle- and size it’s possible. You cannot be a dumb ass though thrill seeker -
Decrease the swingarm? How does that make a high torque/high hp bike more manageable as a 1st bike? Never heard of lowering the performance on a ecu to beginner mode. Wouldn't getting a less potent bike make more sense?
@@muhammadsteinberg I mean, long swingarm for speed, short for handling. So I'd wanna have a maxed out ZX14 with a short swingarm as I live in Europe which doesn't have those miles long straight roads America does have.
@@soumynonareverse7807 I would highly advise against ever shortening the stock wheelbase shorter than stock under any circumstance. The engineers optimized that to make bike stable when cornering. Not a good idea imo.
I own a new 14R ! Kawasaki H2R, H2, HX flashed and 14R are on top for now, If Suzuki would turbo the busa from the factory with the current (upgrade electronics)motor design it would be game over for the next 10-20 years ! I've been waiting? Just got a ZL1 1LE (keep me busy), and other toys also while waiting ! Come on Suzuki????
My bike is 210hp on my predator channel. On pump. Pcv flashed ecu Not tested on mr12 on my 2nd map . Should be at the same numbers. I havw ah2 brocks full system
Now a question. With the zx14 that is designed at higher speeds to have that ram air to help produce more power... so how can a dyno take that in account?
ZX-14 and ZX-14r are so heavy, thus changing the "personality" of those bikes. Also, it makes it more difficult to load onto a truck or into a van. A very real concern. H2 is too expensive for most people. Which would I rather have? The H2 of course because how often does an average motorcycle rider get to experience close to 300 HP? Probably never!
@David James When you have a ZX14R SE.. you don't load it on the back of a truck.. you load it in you Enclosed Toy Hauler Trailer. ! And pull it with you SUV. !!!
The 14r is the monster hiding in my closet at night. Lol. 217 !!! Omg. 217 on the street on cheap roads. That’s insane. The 14r is my dream bike. It has a ecu flash and a pcv?? definitely wants to keep it trim and mean lol. WOW. The h2 is in trouble I think. Anyway gangsta Chris like I said. It’s a handsome bike the 14r is more than a gentleman!!!
The H2 is 300+ HP lighter stock and lighter still will Rotobox wheels and Brock's performance exhuast. But I will say this for the big girl, she is amazing for long rides to actually go somewhere! The H2 is a sidewinder with a nuke warhead attached and the 14R is an ICBM! Man I didn't realize until now that Kawasaki is the Lord of War! Welp looks like I need to pick up a 14R to complete the set! I already have a ZX10R & the H2 and I have an extra kidney laying around in my body somewhere 🤔....
I don’t like extended swingarms - though the H2 looks like a beast. the color on the 14 is trash although I love the ZX14. - woa wait, I’m back. I love the sound of those pipes. How much for the install? They seem to extend back nearly as far as the stock exhaust which I like.
I have owned both bikes, the 14R is like a ball peen hammer, the H2 is like a light saber. No contest, H2 all day and twice on Sunday. Still own my H2 and nothing comes close, all other bikes just get small in my rear view mirror in a whine of boost.
I’ve had 3 ZX14R’s 2009- 2014 -2016 I love the bike but I wonder what Kawasaki’s ZX14R replacement will be. I heard rumours Kawasaki’s 300HP supercharged jet ski engine will be part of the blue print for the 2025 ZX15R I’m hoping lol. Well since the H2 has my name on the plate, never ridden a H2 so will probably take the H2 with all that carbon goodies .
Hey Chris how about building a zx14 like you have on the new zx10. Just to see how fast you can make it. I'm sure alot of people would appreciate it. I'd also bet it would easily sell so you wouldn't be out all that cash
Easier to find a class for racing comps, more. People you can get a grudge race or casual race with. The H2 is like the demon, not powerful enough to throw down with the biggest and baddest but too powerful to be there as a casual riders toy.
Hey Chris ZX14‘s header does not have a cat in it is the only bike that does not have a catalytic converter can everything is contained inside of those big ass heavy stock mufflers💢
I almost got an H2, but I got the 14. The H2 needs to gas up again in less than 100 miles. (Nobody talks about this.) Not my thing. I need one that can really tour. Both bikes are great, though.
i have both bikes you mention,both have their own character,the 12's a big old heavy gal and the 14 leaves you with a hideous grin when you turn up the noise.
IDK. A hard debate. I personally own a 14r myself. The faster accelerating bike is the 14, but the top speed is the h2. Difference between torque and HP. Unless you're running the isle of man, when are you ever going to accelerate to top speed on an H2? Wouldn't you just want faster acceleration in all other circumstances? In most races of a 1/4 mile, or 1/2 mile on the street, you'll never use the top speed of an H2, and will lose more races because of it. The H2 has a supercharger for a reason, because it's torque and acceleration is bad, and focuses on top speed alone. The 14r's powerband is much smoother, and hits harder faster, where as the H2 eventually gets up to speed, and can keep going past the 14r. In the end, in normal races where you're not racing to 240 mph, the 14 wins in 99% of situations. Plus, for the price of an H2, you can put a turbo in your 14 and not just win, but demolish the H2.
Would want that h2 all day. But I must ask a question. Why is it that you would remove 50% of your front braking power on a bike with 300 horsepower aside from weight and rotational mass reduction doesn't seem to do you any favors as you are taking away something that slows you down
I know chris is all about suzuki but he just admitted a stock busa "wont see those kind of numbers"..the kaw is a little harder to work on but at least it pays back by producing hp
I’ve had 2 zx14s and loved them ! Been around Rickey Gadson’s H2s and they are monsters but I’d take that 14
ZX14R ! I could have bought either one but liked the look and versatility of the ZX. If I could just get catless pipes and flash I'd be happy. My warranty cant end soon enough!! Awsome Video..
H2 is freaky fast! Love the stretch! H2 all day long!
Zx14r hands down!!!. Even though I have one already.
Kawasaki is killing every category right now. If I’m buying a street bike, Kawasaki is a must right now.
I have a 2016 ZX14R SE and it is the best all around motorcycle in the world and still one of the fastest on earth too. It’s got the power the looks and it’s extremely comfortable too
Same here. Almost bone stock: Akra headers, dual CF Yoshi race, Guhl flashed, and Sprint P08 air filter. Good enough for me. Love it!
Both Kawi's are Great Bikes. I would take either one..
I’ve got an 18 ZX14R, same color as that one. Might be sending my ECU your way this summer.
Kawi is king of hp just need to design a little better frame on the 14 to make it easier to work on. Kawi nation!!!!
Yes lord
Yep, sell it around 40k miles. Does the motor have to be dropped to do a valve check/ adjustment?
Unfortunately yes but not completely you can take the top mounts loose and with something under the engine let the engine rotate down. A couple other things have to be removed as well like radiator etc, not real fun to do.
I love Kawasaki motors Strong,fast,heavy duty
I already got a ZX14R and Gen 2 Busa , both flashed , PC5 generic Brocks map on pump gas, BST wheels + ceramics and Brocks CT Meg on both of them streeters , so I would really love that H2 beauty . Going to get my 14R tuned shortly , got 199hp base figure so hoping for few more even on pump gas .
Zx14. I’ve always wanted one.
Best bike ever bro. 2020 zx owner
Have a gen 2 zx14r. 10k miles later it is my favorite bike i have owned
The 14 brother
Can't wait to see him work his magic on the upcoming Kawasaki ZH2!! Now that would be a better drag bike than the 14R in my opinion. Guess we'll see later this year.
I'm gonna buy one. Have a down payment saved up!
I’m a ZX14 guy. Awesome motorcycle and a hell of a lot more comfortable than the H2. But I’m glad Kawasaki is building this awesome H2
In Australia, long swingarms get laughed at unfortunately
That brock exhaust sounds awesome! 👍
I have a ZX14R It's Good enough & Fast enough for me!
Chris remember with several 1397 struggled to make 220hp. Now stock bikes are knocking on the door.
Insane isn't it!?!?
I guess it’s still behind just a bit. But probably more reliable!
What’s the best chain to use with vortex sprockets
love this channel
my last name is Stratton.
@@garystratton4125 bro wtf
ZX 14R ROCKS 💪👊💯
217 h.p. at the wheel! And low end Torque for everyday riding! Hats off to kawi. Now imagine if Kawasaki supercharged the ZX14R, Hmm By By H2!
Hell they gotta keep making the zx14 to do that
I just trip how they were up in arms bout the Busa. Then H2 throws up the finger& doesn't get no blow back. I mean I won't mind seeing a little competition against Kawi. But that's just me...lol
Kawasaki has always been the KING. Imo. P.s. Moore Mafia H2. *been subscribed. Hits bell, likes video*
You da man. Thanks
Wait a minute. Didn't the Busa hold the 👑 for 10 yr? Kawi got lucky w the H2. Don't think everyone gave them crap like they did Suzuki. Europe was crying cuz the Busa passed a Porsche@150 on the Autobahn in a commercial. Give me that turbo Busa that killed them H2s any day. Or the one killing everything on that trc video
@@chaz951 i can't answer your first question with facts but ill say probably not. Can't verify years right off but the zx12r was the fastest production bike at one point. Suzuki might have gained with the gen 2 busa but me personally would take a gen 2 zx14r over the hayabusa (I bleed green maybe biased lol) if I had the choice of a turbo busa or a h2 I'd probably go with the busa and make 400+hp and have the aerodynamics to go with it. Offer me a turbo zx14r though and ill take it everyday of the week. Not knocking any manufacturers all the bikes they've been building for the past 2 decades have been balls to the wall for the most part.
@@antilag8837 true dat
Good discussion!! Good stuff
Are carbon fiber wheels durable in a street setup?
they're made for the street and track.
Here before this channel blows up
Definitely the H2💚
Power to weight is important. Where the horsepower and torque are made is important. For street you want most the torque and horsepower below 9500 rpm, the Goldilocks area. For tract, peak horsepower at increasing rpm is more important. The dyno chart tells the story. Hard to ride a peaky street bike around town at 14,000 rpm all the time
Would the same zx14r hp results be possible by changing the maps etc within the ecu itself (no power commander)?
J
Yes I'd take the ZX14, but it should be Kawa racing green
Dude just look up the torque specs for that size bolt really simple
Already a 14 Owner. I would love the H2, Just to let them Know,
Great comparison, I know it's not a smart idea but I was thinking to buy a zx14r as a first bike. But what if I decrease the swingarm and increase the steering rod? Is it still not recommendable? Or should I modify the ECU to make it a little more safe to drive?
My first bike is 2020 zx14r- if you are mature and not stupid - put in low power respect the throttle- and size it’s possible.
You cannot be a dumb ass though thrill seeker -
Decrease the swingarm? How does that make a high torque/high hp bike more manageable as a 1st bike? Never heard of lowering the performance on a ecu to beginner mode.
Wouldn't getting a less potent bike make more sense?
@@muhammadsteinberg I mean, long swingarm for speed, short for handling. So I'd wanna have a maxed out ZX14 with a short swingarm as I live in Europe which doesn't have those miles long straight roads America does have.
@@soumynonareverse7807 I would highly advise against ever shortening the stock wheelbase shorter than stock under any circumstance. The engineers optimized that to make bike stable when cornering. Not a good idea imo.
How can I get The zx14R and how much does the used one cost? I’m a Big fan of Kawi. ❤️❤️
Best bike ever
Kawasaki all the way bro 100%#1💝✌❤
Proud of y’all!!!
I own a new 14R ! Kawasaki H2R, H2, HX flashed and 14R are on top for now, If Suzuki would turbo the busa from the factory with the current (upgrade electronics)motor design it would be game over for the next 10-20 years ! I've been waiting? Just got a ZL1 1LE (keep me busy), and other toys also while waiting ! Come on Suzuki????
They don't make Busa any more the EPA rulings killed them off.
I think ZX14
I want both 😍
Moore mafia is the king of the streets! Lmao
Hey Chris! What are the torque specs for the headers on the 14?
My bike is 210hp on my predator channel. On pump. Pcv flashed ecu
Not tested on mr12 on my 2nd map . Should be at the same numbers. I havw ah2 brocks full system
I would take the 14 although it's a pain to work on lol
Suzuki or kawasaki.... Which one u prefer the most.... And why....??
Now a question. With the zx14 that is designed at higher speeds to have that ram air to help produce more power... so how can a dyno take that in account?
What would you say Is the best race fuel for a stock motor?
Mr12
Why the powercommander if you are flashing the ecu
We are thinking fuel only through the pc5
Because flashing allows for some stuff but fuel and timing via The pc5 you can alter at the track that basic Tune for the conditions.
What would you charge for the ECU flash 2019 zx14R. I'm in Canada BC would ship it to you of course.
I’ll take the white busa in the background 🤣
In your opinion which is a better buy the 1st gen zx14 or hayabusa?
ZX-14 and ZX-14r are so heavy, thus changing the "personality" of those bikes. Also, it makes it more difficult to load onto a truck or into a van. A very real concern. H2 is too expensive for most people. Which would I rather have? The H2 of course because how often does an average motorcycle rider get to experience close to 300 HP? Probably never!
@David James
When you have a ZX14R SE.. you don't load it on the back of a truck.. you load it in you Enclosed Toy Hauler Trailer. ! And pull it with you SUV. !!!
Just workout more wnt be as heavy
I have them both now .
Sick bikes man new subscribe awesome channel
I will take that ZX14R any day - Just a personal choice - Better Bike and fastest...probably the H2
Ohhh the zx14R definitely.them two brothers pipes are cheap nasty looking
There is a 14 shorty and 20 inch long street meg and alien head Chris jus a FYI for the viewers
Definitely H2! 🔥
ZX14. H2 is now pigeon holed for the drag strip.
Wow nice bikes
I WOULD take the ZX14R,. ALL DAY LONG. ! 👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸
Not that ugly orange one💢
Thank you for your SERVICE!
@@pattyjay9999
No, hate that orange color.... I had the 2016 ZX14R SE... MATT METALLIC CARBON GRAY IT LOOKED BLACK.... SHE WAS BEAUTIFUL.. !
usaf vet that’s what I ride now as my current bike. Getting it tuned next month.😎
The 14r is the monster hiding in my closet at night. Lol. 217 !!! Omg. 217 on the street on cheap roads. That’s insane. The 14r is my dream bike. It has a ecu flash and a pcv?? definitely wants to keep it trim and mean lol. WOW. The h2 is in trouble I think. Anyway gangsta Chris like I said. It’s a handsome bike the 14r is more than a gentleman!!!
The H2 is 300+ HP lighter stock and lighter still will Rotobox wheels and Brock's performance exhuast.
But I will say this for the big girl, she is amazing for long rides to actually go somewhere!
The H2 is a sidewinder with a nuke warhead attached and the 14R is an ICBM!
Man I didn't realize until now that Kawasaki is the Lord of War!
Welp looks like I need to pick up a 14R to complete the set!
I already have a ZX10R & the H2 and I have an extra kidney laying around in my body somewhere 🤔....
Just curious by why would you say the stock wheelbase ZX14 is more drag race friendly than a stretched 300+whp H2?
Definitely subbed
I don’t like extended swingarms - though the H2 looks like a beast. the color on the 14 is trash although I love the ZX14. - woa wait, I’m back. I love the sound of those pipes. How much for the install? They seem to extend back nearly as far as the stock exhaust which I like.
Hey I have 3 zx14’s a 08 zx14, 2016 zx14R se , and the 2021 zx14R. Would you be willing to tune one of my bikes?
I have owned both bikes, the 14R is like a ball peen hammer, the H2 is like a light saber. No contest, H2 all day and twice on Sunday. Still own my H2 and nothing comes close, all other bikes just get small in my rear view mirror in a whine of boost.
Is that Zx14 really a 2019? I do not recall that color way for that year hmm
I messed up. It's an 18
I’ve had 3 ZX14R’s 2009- 2014 -2016 I love the bike but I wonder what Kawasaki’s ZX14R replacement will be. I heard rumours Kawasaki’s 300HP supercharged jet ski engine will be part of the blue print for the 2025 ZX15R I’m hoping lol. Well since the H2 has my name on the plate, never ridden a H2 so will probably take the H2 with all that carbon goodies .
Do you think the P-08 Sprint filter is good enough, or do you recommend the F1-85?
The F1-85 is the best by far.
i took my f1 out and went back to DNA when i saw dirt build up on the impeller
Hey Chris how about building a zx14 like you have on the new zx10. Just to see how fast you can make it. I'm sure alot of people would appreciate it. I'd also bet it would easily sell so you wouldn't be out all that cash
I mastered the 14
I need to move on to the H2
I love them both but we know what the H2 is
Bruh what was the torque number on this run🤔, I didn't see any number 💁🏾♂️.
120
I'm trying to get a little more power out of a 2005 zx12r. .any suggestions
AD101
40 shot
I already hav a 2013 ZX14R and 2013 BUSA. Not sure how comfy the h2 will be. Im down from 295 to 245lbs at 6'3
How do you feel about the performance and reliability of the 14r?
Zx14R
I've got to get a zx14 soon; euro pollution level 5 is making kaw & suz end these big boys this year!
Euro is always crying
We need a real race between H2 stock and ZX14 stock.
Please tell us your heigh and the size of the hoodie you are wearing on the video .
I like it
This way we can figure it out which one we fit in
I'm 6 feet tall 150 pounds. I wear a Large
I love the ZX14 but really hated that Candytone Orange scheme , this is a 2018 btw
I knew it was not 2019
When are you gonna make a video of the H2 at the track? And why is the zx14 more track friendly?
Easier to find a class for racing comps, more. People you can get a grudge race or casual race with. The H2 is like the demon, not powerful enough to throw down with the biggest and baddest but too powerful to be there as a casual riders toy.
I have a 14. Will take the h2
Already have a lowered/ stretched zx14 so I'll take the H2, haha
Nah, my 2019' 552 HP Pro Street Busa is !!! : D
That color scheme is nasty on that 14
Nasty as in🤢🤮🤢🤮🤢🤮🤢 yup👎🏾
Yer its pretty cool
How much do you want for the 2-Bro slip on I have a Zx14
Jose.lira@millercoors.com contact me here
500 with the header
Hey Chris ZX14‘s header does not have a cat in it is the only bike that does not have a catalytic converter can everything is contained inside of those big ass heavy stock mufflers💢
the zx14r DOES have a cat in the header behind the collector, source: I have a 2018 zx14r and looked directly at the cat inside the stock header
@@mac001texas Then that is something that was added later, my 2015 not have a cat.
kawasaki H2 be mine lol 😂
I'll take the H2 only because I'm a hp freak.
I almost got an H2, but I got the 14. The H2 needs to gas up again in less than 100 miles. (Nobody talks about this.) Not my thing. I need one that can really tour. Both bikes are great, though.
zx14r all day, and i wil get one the day that my zzr 1200 dies, that tthing is too beautiful not to run until the end
i have both bikes you mention,both have their own character,the 12's a big old heavy gal and the 14 leaves you with a hideous grin when you turn up the noise.
I have two zzr1200 s _ I don't think it will die / regards from Australia.
H2 all day. On my way to earn one every day.
Enjoy the rare factory power figures for super Duke. 106 ft pounds and 177 horsepower all below 9500 rpm in a 460 pound bike.
Would have loved motus had it taken off to be real competition
AWESOME AMAZING FANTASTIC MARVELOUS MAGIC
You got a subs from Nepal
Thank you
I love my Zx14r 🥴 I'm always trying to squeeze just a little more out of her.
IDK. A hard debate. I personally own a 14r myself. The faster accelerating bike is the 14, but the top speed is the h2. Difference between torque and HP. Unless you're running the isle of man, when are you ever going to accelerate to top speed on an H2? Wouldn't you just want faster acceleration in all other circumstances? In most races of a 1/4 mile, or 1/2 mile on the street, you'll never use the top speed of an H2, and will lose more races because of it. The H2 has a supercharger for a reason, because it's torque and acceleration is bad, and focuses on top speed alone. The 14r's powerband is much smoother, and hits harder faster, where as the H2 eventually gets up to speed, and can keep going past the 14r. In the end, in normal races where you're not racing to 240 mph, the 14 wins in 99% of situations.
Plus, for the price of an H2, you can put a turbo in your 14 and not just win, but demolish the H2.
Would want that h2 all day. But I must ask a question.
Why is it that you would remove 50% of your front braking power on a bike with 300 horsepower aside from weight and rotational mass reduction doesn't seem to do you any favors as you are taking away something that slows you down
You now have the subscribers. Where is the track addition of the h2?
Still in progress. The customer has ran into some issues with it, but we are still trying to put it all together!
@@TeamMooreMafia build mine
Give me the 14 in all black
I know chris is all about suzuki but he just admitted a stock busa "wont see those kind of numbers"..the kaw is a little harder to work on but at least it pays back by producing hp