For a rain starved central California denizen. It is such a treat to hear the rain on the boathouse roof, Peter! Thanks you so much for not editing that sound out. Another excellent video today as well. You are in my top 2 or 3 UA-cam obsessions. Cheers!
Old boats and old houses always hold surprises when you dig in and start to dismantle them. Rarely are these surprises good. But you know this. In dismantling the forward hatch trim there was no certainty as to how it was attached. There were obviously screws, but what type of glue was used. Would the trim and underlining deck structure be destroyed if trim and deck were separated? We don’t know and there was only one way to find out 😢. Such is the nature of working on classic structures, be they houses, cars or boats.
So very true Graham. The truth is, i knew it was bonded with devil goo (5200), i just couldn't get the oscillating saw deep enough to cut it all out. A 3/8" strip of that hellish stuff was enough to do me in!
Looks like 5200 (or equivalent) was used instead of sealant on the hatch frame as well as the windshield trim. You've successfully demonstrated why adhesive that can seal should never be used where sealing is the primary purpose. Ha! I wrote that comment before you started muttering, "Damn you 5200. Damn you." Sounds like we agree.
Watching a previous episode, saw a possible solution for the fore deck. remove the 3 boards on the hatch and use the planks to make bungs to plug your holes. The hatch gets 3 new mahogany planks. Therefore, your uncle is in fact Bob.
With three wooden boats you have taken responsibility of the answer is, of course, no... you will never be finished. Enjoy! That boat shed seems like a must have.
Peter, I always admire how unflappable you are regardless of the size or complexity of the challenge. You showed us a very clever way of getting leverage on that foredeck hatch frame. Brilliant! Cabin top looks very clean in fresh green.
I seem to remember a saying: a boat is simply a hole in the water that you keep pouring money and time into, thankfully you get all these memories from.
Hey Peter, it's a fact that there is always one more job to do on a wooden boat. Cabin fever is but one of the afflictions that can follow boat living...cheers
For the vent, you could braze a brass 3/4 round into the lower back of the upper curve of the horn, then braze another 3/4 round just inside the top of the front. It will reduce air flow a bit but with a small drain hole just in front of the back plate, it should keep rain and splash out of the cabin...
Glad you got your chablis, Andrea! The foredeck is coming together, Peter... when it's not coming apart. In times like that I refer to your very own mantra: "It's just work". Cheers from Whitehorse
I had cabin fever on our recent cruise to Alaska leaving from the beautiful city of Vancouver, B.C. Ironically, we found Vancouver to be the highlight of our trip. Cheers!!
Hi Peter. I have followed you from close to the beginning. I am amazed that you are now putting full attention to Poem when Geordie is your main boat. Surely you should have Geordie in the shed fixing her up.
We are just giving Poem her annual maintenance so she is safe and comfortable over the winter. Geordie will be our primary focus in a week or so. She will continue to be for the next year. Thanks for sticking with us. Cheers!
The Sunday show(s) - including the brilliant battery review - were a cure for my cabin fever this week and got me out the door for a beer of the week (hazy ipa in your honor) and some incredible wood fired pizza!
I recommend doing the stain work first then, the paint work. Have you ever considered using a solid stain ( latex) for the decks no primer needed! And lasts a long time with two coats of course.Just suggestions your a supreme carpenter!
You know Graham, I'm might not have thought it. In retrospect, you are very right. Today for instance, I have been hammering cotton calking into the foredeck and I am completely spent!
If you finish we'll all be stuck for something to watch! - how about positioning the dorade box (3:55) athwartships in order to overcome that tight space with the added benefit that it might let you move the cowl onto the centreline?
Yes, it was necessary to pull the hatch coaming -- If you hadn't, it was going to leak ... if, for no other reason, that you asked the question in the first place. Seems like a universal truth: If the question is, "Is this thing on this old wooden boat going to leak?" then the answer is "Yes."
Well I certainly can't complain of cabin fever - I had a road trip to Colorado this past week. So no cabin fever for me, unless you consider the car cabin - then most definitely 30 hours driving in 4 days..
In regards to your dorade box, run it across the front of your window so that the dorade vent is closer to the middle of the boat and the box is going from side to side on the boat and not fore and aft.
@@TravelsWithGeordie actually it just came to me when I saw your hole was off-center in your middle windshield. Figure put a rectangular box across the front of that window air into the cab on one side of the box, vent sticking up on the other side keeps water out let’s air in.
If it's cabin fever you are feeling do one of your cooking spot like you used to might not cure your fever but it was always fun to watch be safe peter and Andrea hope I spelled that correctly
I've had the same dilemma Charlie. Geordie has an hinged hatch and i find it ideal. But on Poem, the aft cabin is so small, if i used a hinged hatch i wouldn't have room for a dingy in chocks. But definitely a cover is coming!
@@TravelsWithGeordie I’ll be watching to see what you do for a covered hatch. My rear door is also a salon type door that I think I’d like it to be one piece.
Hola Peter, after 90+ days cruising, you might think we would have developed cabin fever, but we haven't. Cruising to Poulsbo today when the fog breaks and thinking about bringing you some wood next year. In Mexico they sell Caoba, and to my best knowledge it is a type of South American Mahogany and I have used it on some exterior projects and can report it holds up extremely well. If you find the offer of wood interesting, just let me know and I will pack-mule it up next year and put it on my big boat deck to offer up when we have another chance to meet. Just let me know what dimensions might be most useful. Caoba wood, also known as mahogany, is a valuable tropical hardwood that comes from the Swietenia macrophylla tree. It is not nearly as "affordable" as it was pre-Covid, but still a bargain compared to Port Townsend and BC pricing methinks.
Darrin - such a generous and interesting offer. Let me do some research. Thankfully Sapele seems to be quite available again these day so the crisis may be averted. We are envious of your extended cruising season. Cheers!
I think you need a built in tube amplifier and a sound system built into one of the cabinets, with guitar jack input and aux input too of course. Itd be very atmospheric. Oh and a central variac light dimmer too!
Robert! Man, the hum from that variac. I used to have one years ago. Heh, some tube amps too. I remember pulling all the tubes out of my Dad's old HiFi and taking them to Radio Shack check to plug them in the tester for fun as a kid.
Peter could you not have that vent rotate and you could just turn it away from the rain from the opening window.. or find a way to fit a louvre to the front?
Is the fore deck on Poem laid or does it have a plywood sub deck? If it is a solid wood deck , how thick is the planking? Maybe an athwartship dorade would work.
Valid point Petter. Sadly, selling Poem wouldn't come close to the price of a boat shed and it's expensive moorage. I actually feel good about weaning myself off the comfort and convenience of the shed.
Living aboard for the last 11 years (or is it 12?), I have come to terms with Cabin Fever...not really a problem. In the meantime, I'm wondering why you used the coping saw (very effectively, of course) instead of the oscillating fine tool which you seem to use a lot. Best wishes you two.
"Will I ever finish" ? I realise this was a little tongue in cheek but there is an answer to that and you already know what it is ! The only way it could ever be considered 'finished' is if the boat is out of service and put on display in a dry warehouse or showroom, as long as it is exposed to the elements it is going to need constant 'finishing' ! If you are trying to live in it there is going to be a fair amount of 'wear and tear' too so not only will you have to battle the effects of the elements but you also have the effects of heat, cold, wet and dryness and often even all at the same time ! It can be cold and wet outside and warm and dry inside, this is very harsh on wood and creates lots of places for the elements to get through the thin finish ! Add to that it getting neglected for a few months because you are busy with a different boat that has similar problems and you'll find yourself constantly chasing your tail and having to strip the finish off so you can re-seal the wood and re-apply finish ! I have been saying from the first day you got Poem that it is going to drain so much of your time, resources and money that it will be almost impossible to run two classic wooden motor cruisers and keep them in a good state of repair while trying to run a YT channel and live some sort of a normal life and also help out Lady Z with her boat in times of need, something has to give or you will run yourself ragged ! I don't think you should be neglecting Geordie at the expense of Poem after all the time and effort you have put into Geordie, Poem is too small to be practical and is taking up too much of your time, you need to prioritise.
Ian - I appreciate your thoughts. And on many points, your absolutely right. I stand firm, however, that Poem has been a tremendous asset to both my life and the show. The ability to a have a warm cozy home independent of the work I'm doing on Geordie is Godsend. Geordie is our primary concern but Poem is a little Joy.
@@TravelsWithGeordie I fully understand that in order to be able to do certain types of work on the boat you need somewhere to live which is separate from the upheaval, that makes perfect sense. Living in a small space while trying to do any work is very limiting but you have done almost all of the interior renovation of Geordie now and you are dealing with the jobs you put off because you took on the problems of Poem.
Thanks for showing such respect for the original craftsman work. After all we're preserving the past not rewriting it.
Thanks! I feel grateful to be apart of the history of these boats.
How nice it feels to be a bit grumpy once in a while.
Heh - it's my secret indulgence!
Well done Peter. Poem is coming along lovely.
Thanks Dusty! I really this little boat.
Interestingly enough this channel is one of my cures for my Cabin Fever. Thank you.
Ah - thank you. I'm glad one of us is cured!
I live in the Pacific Northwest and cabin fever will soon be upon us as winter rain and winter darkness takes its hold.
Exactly Patrick! Thankfully for us at least, some urban energy offsets that alot.
Pete it looks beautiful these boats are living things and are never finished
Thanks Paul! My sentiments exactly.
You make a good point. I am a house painter 35 years , funny you should mention that? Marine painting is the way to go! Thanks
Owning something old and beautiful that you have means that it never stops being finished. ❤
You are so right Carlos. And how fortunate we are that they seek our love in perpetuity.
For a rain starved central California denizen. It is such a treat to hear the rain on the boathouse roof, Peter! Thanks you so much for not editing that sound out. Another excellent video today as well. You are in my top 2 or 3 UA-cam obsessions.
Cheers!
Aww - thanks John! I confess, i do love the rain. Even walking in it with a nice big umbrella. Not so found of fresh water boats leaks though...
Old boats and old houses always hold surprises when you dig in and start to dismantle them. Rarely are these surprises good. But you know this. In dismantling the forward hatch trim there was no certainty as to how it was attached. There were obviously screws, but what type of glue was used. Would the trim and underlining deck structure be destroyed if trim and deck were separated? We don’t know and there was only one way to find out 😢. Such is the nature of working on classic structures, be they houses, cars or boats.
So very true Graham. The truth is, i knew it was bonded with devil goo (5200), i just couldn't get the oscillating saw deep enough to cut it all out. A 3/8" strip of that hellish stuff was enough to do me in!
Thanks for another great video. No wooden boat is ever finished.
So very true, Peter. And for my part, I'm fine with that. Cheers!
I hope you will have time to show us how you repair the nicks and splits on the deck at 4:30 on your excellent video. Thanks for a great show.
Thanks Peter! I maybe taking a controversial approach to the foredeck in general. Tune in next week!
Looks like 5200 (or equivalent) was used instead of sealant on the hatch frame as well as the windshield trim. You've successfully demonstrated why adhesive that can seal should never be used where sealing is the primary purpose.
Ha! I wrote that comment before you started muttering, "Damn you 5200. Damn you." Sounds like we agree.
So true Jarom! I should do a PSA on the subject.
Watching a previous episode, saw a possible solution for the fore deck. remove the 3 boards on the hatch and use the planks to make bungs to plug your holes. The hatch gets 3 new mahogany planks. Therefore, your uncle is in fact Bob.
A good idea! I think I'm content with slightly miss matched bungs. But I do often feel grateful for my uncle Robert.
With three wooden boats you have taken responsibility of the answer is, of course, no... you will never be finished. Enjoy! That boat shed seems like a must have.
I certainly to enjoy the work and am very grateful for the opportunity. The shed remains a quandary for sure.
Peter, I always admire how unflappable you are regardless of the size or complexity of the challenge. You showed us a very clever way of getting leverage on that foredeck hatch frame. Brilliant! Cabin top looks very clean in fresh green.
Kyle - thank you very much, that's very kind. It's fun to figure ways around little challenges like that.
I love it Peter !
Thanks Robert - I love it too!
I seem to remember a saying: a boat is simply a hole in the water that you keep pouring money and time into, thankfully you get all these memories from.
Very true. And as result, they are priceless memories.
Cabin Fever...the cure? Wine, bread and blanket bunny! 🎉
My thoughts exactly!
@@TravelsWithGeordie a lucky man has a good woman to walk with? Eh? Goodonyas!
Right now I'm packing and prepping for the storm to hit Tampa Bay! Picking up my toys and going to be heading north and then West
I really hope you and yours weather this storm easily. It's been a tough season and we have a ton of empathy for those suffering. Stay safe!
@@TravelsWithGeordie rgr Wilco!
Hey Peter, it's a fact that there is always one more job to do on a wooden boat. Cabin fever is but one of the afflictions that can follow boat living...cheers
Well Darryl, you pretty much summed up boat life. We love it that way.
For the vent, you could braze a brass 3/4 round into the lower back of the upper curve of the horn, then braze another 3/4 round just inside the top of the front. It will reduce air flow a bit but with a small drain hole just in front of the back plate, it should keep rain and splash out of the cabin...
Ah - Mike, I clever built in dorade. I like it!
Glad you got your chablis, Andrea! The foredeck is coming together, Peter... when it's not coming apart. In times like that I refer to your very own mantra: "It's just work". Cheers from Whitehorse
Thanks Chris - It's definitely coming together. In some ways, better than I'd hoped. Cheers!
I had cabin fever on our recent cruise to Alaska leaving from the beautiful city of Vancouver, B.C. Ironically, we found Vancouver to be the highlight of our trip. Cheers!!
I am glad you enjoyed your time in Vancouver Andy. Certain parts of Vancouver certainly appeal to me too!
Imagine a _finished_ wooden boat. The horror.. The horror..
So true! I wouldn't know what to do with myself.
Hi Peter. I have followed you from close to the beginning. I am amazed that you are now putting full attention to Poem when Geordie is your main boat. Surely you should have Geordie in the shed fixing her up.
We are just giving Poem her annual maintenance so she is safe and comfortable over the winter. Geordie will be our primary focus in a week or so. She will continue to be for the next year. Thanks for sticking with us. Cheers!
Finish? And we? No more fantastic videos from you? NEVER
Peter: "Will I ever finish?"
UA-cam: "No thank you!"
Heh! I was only thinking about this work cycle. Thanks for your enthusiasm. Cheers!
The Sunday show(s) - including the brilliant battery review - were a cure for my cabin fever this week and got me out the door for a beer of the week (hazy ipa in your honor) and some incredible wood fired pizza!
That would certainly cure my cabin fever! Sounds great. Cheers!
Love the neat trick with the clamps to get the hatch frame out, pity it broke😢
Thanks! But 5200 will always result in tears...
just like the "North Star", thxs for sharing...
Tom- thanks high praise! Thank you.
That looks better, drain holes need to drain.
So true! I hate a clogged limber hole.
I recommend doing the stain work first then, the paint work. Have you ever considered using a solid stain ( latex) for the decks no primer needed! And lasts a long time with two coats of course.Just suggestions your a supreme carpenter!
Thanks for the suggestion. I used solid strain regularly when I was building homes but i think I'll stick with Marine finishes on the boats.
Shipwright work is the most exhausting work there is. Both mentally and physically.
You know Graham, I'm might not have thought it. In retrospect, you are very right. Today for instance, I have been hammering cotton calking into the foredeck and I am completely spent!
If you finish we'll all be stuck for something to watch! - how about positioning the dorade box (3:55) athwartships in order to overcome that tight space with the added benefit that it might let you move the cowl onto the centreline?
Thanks Keith - hat's an excellent suggestion. I like it! Cheers!
Yes, it was necessary to pull the hatch coaming -- If you hadn't, it was going to leak ... if, for no other reason, that you asked the question in the first place. Seems like a universal truth: If the question is, "Is this thing on this old wooden boat going to leak?" then the answer is "Yes."
I like your universal truth. Well, i supposed i don't like it but i appreciate it. Cheers!
Well I certainly can't complain of cabin fever - I had a road trip to Colorado this past week. So no cabin fever for me, unless you consider the car cabin - then most definitely 30 hours driving in 4 days..
Wow - I love a road trip Graeme. I'm envious!
In regards to your dorade box, run it across the front of your window so that the dorade vent is closer to the middle of the boat and the box is going from side to side on the boat and not fore and aft.
Hmmm - you've been thinking about this Duane!
@@TravelsWithGeordie actually it just came to me when I saw your hole was off-center in your middle windshield. Figure put a rectangular box across the front of that window air into the cab on one side of the box, vent sticking up on the other side keeps water out let’s air in.
Maybe a couple brass mushroom style vents could fill those holes and still look salty. Or make it useful with a prism light?
I concur, a round deck prism would help alay any cabin fever!
Good thoughts! I do love a deck prism.
I don't miss city life, I miss the wild out doors that's what I greatly miss these days.
Well Fon, I hope you can find yourself some wild wilderness. Many of my friends feel as you do, so I understand.
If it's cabin fever you are feeling do one of your cooking spot like you used to might not cure your fever but it was always fun to watch be safe peter and Andrea hope I spelled that correctly
Thanks James! That would be fun! I have a few more meals i mind to share.
I’ve been debating what to do with my sliding hatch.
I have considered either a covered hatch but I am leaning towards hinging the hatch.
I've had the same dilemma Charlie. Geordie has an hinged hatch and i find it ideal. But on Poem, the aft cabin is so small, if i used a hinged hatch i wouldn't have room for a dingy in chocks. But definitely a cover is coming!
@@TravelsWithGeordie I’ll be watching to see what you do for a covered hatch.
My rear door is also a salon type door that I think I’d like it to be one piece.
Hola Peter, after 90+ days cruising, you might think we would have developed cabin fever, but we haven't. Cruising to Poulsbo today when the fog breaks and thinking about bringing you some wood next year. In Mexico they sell Caoba, and to my best knowledge it is a type of South American Mahogany and I have used it on some exterior projects and can report it holds up extremely well. If you find the offer of wood interesting, just let me know and I will pack-mule it up next year and put it on my big boat deck to offer up when we have another chance to meet. Just let me know what dimensions might be most useful.
Caoba wood, also known as mahogany, is a valuable tropical hardwood that comes from the Swietenia macrophylla tree. It is not nearly as "affordable" as it was pre-Covid, but still a bargain compared to Port Townsend and BC pricing methinks.
Darrin - such a generous and interesting offer. Let me do some research. Thankfully Sapele seems to be quite available again these day so the crisis may be averted.
We are envious of your extended cruising season. Cheers!
@travels with geordie hello Peter, i would insert a little copper tube in that hole you are busy with , end of problem ...
Why didn't I think of that! Thanks for the suggestion.
Cabin Fever.. coming soon to a Northerner like me…!
A common affliction i see! Best of luck with it Edward!
No, silly Peter, boats are NEVER finished.
Absolutely correct, Now times 3 boats ! That’s brutal, border line ……….
Cabin fever! Is that caused by all the work in the cabin? Or being trapped there in, or both?
Good question Michael. Most just a lack of City.
I think you need a built in tube amplifier and a sound system built into one of the cabinets, with guitar jack input and aux input too of course.
Itd be very atmospheric.
Oh and a central variac light dimmer too!
Robert! Man, the hum from that variac. I used to have one years ago. Heh, some tube amps too. I remember pulling all the tubes out of my Dad's old HiFi and taking them to Radio Shack check to plug them in the tester for fun as a kid.
Could you point to episode where you talk about staying in the shed. Last I saw you were planning to move out. Thanks in advance.
Forgive me Tim. The shed is very much for sale. It just hasn't sold yet.
@@TravelsWithGeordie thanks for the reply
Peter could you not have that vent rotate and you could just turn it away from the rain from the opening window.. or find a way to fit a louvre to the front?
Both good thoughts Scott! With my luck though, I'd never remember to turn it.
@@TravelsWithGeordie Ahh we are of that similar age Peter, the struggle is real
Stay safe sir
how are you still in the boat shed? Wasn't it up for sale?
It certainly is Horacio. It just hasn't sold.
Would a brass tube set in with epoxy not work as a scupper?
Oooo - i like it Tim.
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Is the fore deck on Poem laid or does it have a plywood sub deck? If it is a solid wood deck , how thick is the planking?
Maybe an athwartship dorade would work.
It's a solid laid deck about 3/4 of an inch thick. Neat idea for the dorade. Cheers!
@@TravelsWithGeordie thanks
Question? Why don't you sell Poem and buy your own shed? 😮😊😮❤❤❤😅😅😅
Valid point Petter. Sadly, selling Poem wouldn't come close to the price of a boat shed and it's expensive moorage. I actually feel good about weaning myself off the comfort and convenience of the shed.
Living aboard for the last 11 years (or is it 12?), I have come to terms with Cabin Fever...not really a problem. In the meantime, I'm wondering why you used the coping saw (very effectively, of course) instead of the oscillating fine tool which you seem to use a lot. Best wishes you two.
So does "finish" in the title refer to completing Poem or the coatings? In order to finish the boat, you must apply one. :D
I think that the top of the hatch should deeper?
Good point Gary! I am actually going to make it a little taller.
You're married to your work 😢 it will never end 😢😢
How fortunate I seem to be!
@@TravelsWithGeordie or would it be flat broke from buying to much mahogany
"Will I ever finish" ?
I realise this was a little tongue in cheek but there is an answer to that and you already know what it is !
The only way it could ever be considered 'finished' is if the boat is out of service and put on display in a dry warehouse or showroom, as long as it is exposed to the elements it is going to need constant 'finishing' ! If you are trying to live in it there is going to be a fair amount of 'wear and tear' too so not only will you have to battle the effects of the elements but you also have the effects of heat, cold, wet and dryness and often even all at the same time ! It can be cold and wet outside and warm and dry inside, this is very harsh on wood and creates lots of places for the elements to get through the thin finish !
Add to that it getting neglected for a few months because you are busy with a different boat that has similar problems and you'll find yourself constantly chasing your tail and having to strip the finish off so you can re-seal the wood and re-apply finish !
I have been saying from the first day you got Poem that it is going to drain so much of your time, resources and money that it will be almost impossible to run two classic wooden motor cruisers and keep them in a good state of repair while trying to run a YT channel and live some sort of a normal life and also help out Lady Z with her boat in times of need, something has to give or you will run yourself ragged !
I don't think you should be neglecting Geordie at the expense of Poem after all the time and effort you have put into Geordie, Poem is too small to be practical and is taking up too much of your time, you need to prioritise.
Ian - I appreciate your thoughts. And on many points, your absolutely right. I stand firm, however, that Poem has been a tremendous asset to both my life and the show. The ability to a have a warm cozy home independent of the work I'm doing on Geordie is Godsend. Geordie is our primary concern but Poem is a little Joy.
@@TravelsWithGeordie I fully understand that in order to be able to do certain types of work on the boat you need somewhere to live which is separate from the upheaval, that makes perfect sense.
Living in a small space while trying to do any work is very limiting but you have done almost all of the interior renovation of Geordie now and you are dealing with the jobs you put off because you took on the problems of Poem.
*escutcheon
No 'x'
Right! I knew i was close. Thanks Jay!
The short answer, no. Never.
Alas, it's so true.
The question should be, will the boat finish you?
Ha! Sometimes i wonder. No, actually love every minute of it.
No, you won't ever finish. ADHD is far too severe.
No you will never finish you have too many boats and too many women
Actually only one woman. Does that leave me room for more boats?
What happened to Lady Zephrys?
She's quite fine. Andrea and I will be re - united with her when we are back in Victoria.
No, you no Finnish, you Canadian!
So it seems! I am content in this life.