Can't stop thinking about the conversation where Tali reassures Evitel that his obsession with Jaina is a totally a meme and not an issue they need to keep talking about.
The Sylvanas statue does look like her cinematic version though. Buy it if you want it, by all means, but I'm on the side that think that Jaina's face just doesn't look right.
You have a point there, when/if we get an actual cinematic with Jaina, you can compare if the statue matches her cinematic version like the Sylvanas statue does.
@@petrameyer1121 Not really. It went on sale literally a day before Blizzcon 2017 which was where the cinematic was shown. Considering how long those cinematics can take to make, Blizzard most likely shared Sylvanas' look with the statue maker. Edit: I forgot Sylvanas was in the Legion cinematic too, so yeah...pretty clear what came first.
She got beaten so hard her eyes changed from blue to brown. Wait, it's not the first time she is seen with brown eyes (07:49)... maybe there are two different Jainas?
@@victorlrs6686 and a man according to some comments^^ I guess whatever mage anti aging thing she used to have is wearing off^^ Age is catching up to her.
For 3 months straight your wisdom show was so much more entertaining than an actual wow game... or even more, than 3 months. Your show was great all this time. It’s just that the game was so-so sometimes. Thanks for your hard work, thanks for your beardy smiles, thanks for still understandable English accent. Poor statue face, but you can put on a spooky mask, or funny hat, or makeup, or whatever. Till the next time, cyao!
Taliesin ordered the Jaina statue to go along with his Jaina body pillow, Jaina bedsheets, Jaina toothbrush, Jaina trousers and Jaina toilet paper.... Actually, sorry, that was me, I ordered that toilet paper.
Putting the Jaina statue on Evitel's side of the bed? Clever, this way if you roll over in bed you can see the woman you love with all your heart and Evitel, both at the same time.
Gunna have to disagree here, the other statues actually DO match the pictures and in game model and such, Very accurately actually. Jainas is to round... and the eyes are positioned wrong. and it also looks like the face has been redone since the statue shown at blizzcon.
Taliesen has that "iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii" look as he stands next to the life sized jaina statue :) that statue reminds me of that "The Monkees" song.. "I'm a Believer"... "till I saw her face... tralalala"
It's supposed to be Jaina. Doesn't look like Jaina. All there is to it, IMO. Face is usually *the most* recognizable feature on a person. You would expect it to actually look like her..
TBF, i think it's fair to point out what jaina looks like has changed quite a bit since her warcraft days, as did other chars. Without context (when a roommate showed it to me) I actually had a hard time recognizing anduin in the BFA trailer. Jaina in particular didn't even always have her "signature" gold stripe on her silver hair (it was all gold in some cases), and across iterations nothing about her, save her costume, even resembles each other. I think the problem isn't so much she's unrecognizable, but that she's (at least imo and i think many agree) ugly.
So what does Jaina "actually" look like in your opinion then? Seems like you kinda missed the whole point they were making in the video. Which iteration of the many in- and out of game iterations of Jaina is the right one then to fit for a statue?
Tali that is not Jaina. Its not subjective when the general reaction from anyone seeing her face is "Who are you and what did you do to Ms Proudmoore". The quality of the range and design is there, the face simply isn't tho lol. I have Sylvanas and Illidan because they are high quality like for like representations of their cinematic counterparts. Both so awesome (especially Sylvanas who even has that look of utter disdain makes you feel like you are soiling her air with your very breath) and yea Illidan is not only huge, heavy and imposing he is also quite stabby stabby making the whole bookshelf positioning thing a bloody affair. But seriously you pre-rdered having seen that face on the big sized statue or did you think that maybe the smaller versions would have that addressed and therefore would look better?
Sorry Taliesin, the face was a dealbreaker for me. To me, that face doesnt even look feminine. Without the head, the statue is brilliant, absolutely stunning. But the face. To me it looks mannish. Maybe its the square jaw. In the game she has a pointed chin. Basic facial structure isnt even the same. Even if they wanted to make her makeup different, give her big brows, hell even give her a scar or wrinkles, that to me is an interpretation. The jaw just is... wrong. And she has no cheekbones. The face looks flat. Even the jarring difference between the Ulduar cinematic Jaina and the rest of the in game Jaina representations isnt as bad as this (and the Ulduar Jaina is pretty bad) We have so many representations of Jaina in game that for this statue to represent itself as Jaina and not as someone cosplaying as Jaina its very disappointing. I WANTED to throw my 350 at this statue and have Jaina live on my bookcase and struggle mightily with trying to lift her on there, but I'm sorry, the face broke the deal for me. And for me, I'm sure the artist's interpretation of Jaina is fine, and if this was a licensed interpretation sold on Etsy or something, fine, great, sell away. But when we have multiple posters, mugs, shirts, toys, in game interpretations of her... anything but a fairly faithful recreation of her face is doing her a disservice. I dont blame you though for buying the statue. If YOU"RE happy with the statue, that's all that matters. But I'm not happy with it. And I'm using my consumer ability to not buy the statue to voice my displeasure.
i mean, i guess other people have different tipping points, but i've always thought T&E were fairly reasonable and this was the first time i went "no no no, you can't possibly defend this"
@@randomnobody660 I mean he said that the face looked off... I just cant believe he spent 350 with a face that looks like that. Most limited edition statuary gain value over the years, especially a statue that is of a prominent character. But I'm afraid this has lost value even before it ships. I dont mind that the justification is a bit out there really. I'm a fan of T&E, but I'm just surprised at this defense of something that's SO bad. This isnt just people are voicing displeasure over their class being nerfed or at a raid tier or at the balance or lack therof in PVP. I mean its their money, they can spend it on whatever crap they want to. And if Tali thinks that this statue is beautiful and is worth even more than his beautiful round boi, then I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
@@burningisis I mean I get blizzard isn't exactly consistent with character representation (a point well made i think). However i don't think that's the problem. T&E made many statements that I think are perhaps purposefully contrarian, but insightful in nature. Patch for patch perhaps 8.1 did deliver more than 7.1 in some ways, blizzard laying off employees happens in the best of years etc. (i don't remember. it's been too long lol) This video could have been that, it's so close. I think something like "character representation isn't consistent anyways. You can tell it's jaina, it's well made, and it looks good" would be a very fair argument. It has to look good though. If the statue is gorgeous, takes a bunch of artistic freedoms, and even looks vaguely like jaina, I doubt people would have problem with it. At this point it feels to me like Taliesin possibly has interesting tastes (which is fine), but if not is sadly embracing the shill meme. The problem is that the statue is ugly imo, and most agree. Pointing out jaina has multiple depictions and some are even worse isn't helping. I will remain a fan as well, but a slightly disappointed one.
@@randomnobody660 I'm a fan as well, heck i'm even a Patron. I'm not going to just turn around and join in with the shill meme. I just happen to disagree with his opinion that he presented on the statue. It does feel a little shill-y. And I know they're not shills or at least I hope not. But at the same time, this does illustrate the meme just a bit.
They're selling a Jaina statue, but that is NOT Jaina! Let me clarify, Jaina in my eyes is this naive girl that slowly shaped into wise woman, then tragedies forced her to be harsh and angry. But deep down inside, she's still holding that little naiveness. That why in the cinematic her aged look is so gorgeous and fitting. It captured her spirit, her essence. This statue is a disgrace, not only her face is the wrong shape, her expression has no life in it, no that Jaina spirit we are grown to love. You compared it to Sylvanas statue, her statue at the least captured her hatred for the living. And her face is closely resembled her in game look. She doesn't have a square or rectangular face! When you look at Sylvanas' statue, you immediately recognize it's her, the banshee queen. Then you look at at Jaina's statue, it looks like some middle age woman cosplay Jaina. It's no comparison. Now the Anduin's face, we all know in cinematic things have more details and worked to perfection. In game models have to deal with polygon rendering, the simpler the less stress on player end. Of course, the fact that we DO NOT pay 300 bucks for Anduin's angel face.
xCathe No, the channel is Heals vs Babyface. Az is his name and his video about the Jaina statue poked fun at T&E in the first 30 seconds (ua-cam.com/video/CYmcAJ5eysk/v-deo.html). So T&E then got him back by putting the video of him mimicking them into their video around the 7:15 minute mark. It was hilarious
"nearly every patch" Uh, there have been two so far, one a fairly minor content release and the other a .5 patch, neither of which (as far as I saw) was particularly heralded to be a turning point/potential saviour. The closest to that I can think of is people saying "I hope 8.1 fixes stuff" before we knew anything about 8.1, or maybe people essentially saying "I hope the 8.1 changes will do more than we think"? Unless you mean in past expansions, which I don't recall anything like that in Legion, probably because I was taking a bit of a break during most of that. I'm sure there was a lot in WoD, which fair enough yeah they fucked that up. But in MoP they actually did have a patch which fixed it, the improvements from 5.2 are massive, to the point that most people forget that early MoP had a _lot_ of issues. I'm not looking to say that 8.2 will be great, or anything about the current state of the game really, just that we've got to wait and see before condemning it because from what little we know stuff is looking somewhat better.
@@Elendrial and? every second youtube video calls for "the patch that will define BFA". the problem is, that they cant fix looting systems, because they want the players to grind the same content over and over again. i was raiding in a guild for 2 years and this guild now disbanded (the guild existed since vanilla), because people felt simply stupid going to do the most difficult content every week while getting nothing. for me, i got not a single upgrade in the last 4 weeks and by that i do not mean those 0.1% upgrades... no good trinkets no good azerite items. i rolled so far 4 shoulder items and got 3 times the same item, which is a chance of 1/216 to happen... just ridiculous. the system to get gear and how classes are currently balanced is simply pathetic. we have nearly the same amount of melee speccs and range speccs and what do people ask for? right, RANGE DPS a friend of mine plays hunter (we have nearly the same logs) and heh ad 12 requests while i have 3. im playing ww and there you can basically see that the whole class system atm simply sucks. people always seeked out for range dps but nowadays it is absolutly ridiculous how many range dps you bring for bosses compared to melee.
I love you guys. if I could I'd give you an actual 24k gold star for your troll Taliesen. But.....I am less than enthused with the notion that the official statue of an iconic character being released by and on the company owned store is "an interpretation" of that character. leave such things to the secondary market and produce the image that is supposed to be the character. I have nothing against such things in general, and if they had released a line of statues of her would even approve. My 7 year old nephew's reaction when I was looking at the statue was "she looks weird". When I asked what he meant he said she looked like a different person. We had been watching wow cinematics earlier this week and he really liked the Loarderon cinematic where she fly's in on the ship and has been watching it constantly (much tot my kid sisters annoyance ;). When you fail the 7 year old's believability index you have failed indeed.
But he's agreeing that she looks different than her cinematic. Anyone can see that. He's saying that her looking different isn't a bad thing. So your story there doesn't make much sense to that extent.
@@drudle As I said had the released a line of statues of her then fine make some interpretations of her. I think it's not a good thing for the only statue they have released of her to not be her iconic look but an interpretation of what she could/should/would look like if she was not who she was already. The argument that they keep changing the looks of people in game so much is no good for me either as that also makes me crazy. Moving from wow style to the cinematics is one thing, some differences could/must occur. But to change her look so constantly is jarring and feels bad man.
@@a40989d1 tbh T&E started this thing, and it's stupid imho, they should just make out. I love all three of these guys and it's sad that this happened :(
Would like to have the Jaina Statue, but that face is sub par imo. Sylvanas and Illidan statues were pretty dar good but this one seems ..... Blizz fix this so I can give you more of my money
I DON'T WANNA SKIP THE JAINA STATUE TALK!!! THANK YOU! REALLY! Thank you for bringing the "Jaina statue Face" gate up! I was going mad thinking I was the anomaly ^^ Thanks! love you!
2nd comment. My favourite thing about Az' video is the implicit admission that he'd buy it with a different face, effectively counteracting the fact he isn't subbeď
Why would buying a statue of a beloved character from a 25 year old franchise that has been apart of a person’s life for nearly as long be counteractive just because he doesn’t enjoy the direction the game has gone in the past few years?
But will the Feral bug still be in classic (face in npc's butt = you are too far away, face inside the back of the npc's torso = you must be behind the target to use that ability) :P
Very suspicious that 8.2 isn't on the PTR yet. They are probably lagging behind in development. I don't see how it can release in May, that would be just 6 weeks of ptr testing for one of the largest content patches in history.
Isn't 8.2 also the patch that's bringing in the worgen and goblin model updates? If so, kinda surprised you guys didn't mention that. Been waiting on that since WoD.
not lying when I say that I'm like 99% sure I won't be buying next expansion till 9.2 when they put in flying. After playing for 10+ years, I just WON'T put up with it not being in the first major patch anymore.
I like the small jabs at BabyVsHeel's channel. Kinda am fed up with the whole negative attitude and all. Taliesin, there is something about your humour that cracks me up everytime. Much love to you and Evitel.
He has a grudge against WoW and Blizzard full stop. He wanted to move his channel away from WoW and swore he'd never be back. His views dropped and dropped and his income tanked. He then begrudgingly went back to making WoW videos until public opinion on WoW had turned negative. He leaped at the chance to monetize his vitriol and now takes any little chance he can to shit on Blizzard. It's pretty pathetic really.
That’s because you are confused mate. He’s not talking about Illidan. It’s his slightly less known twin Illi-Dan, who gave up demonhunting and became a rapper
Just wanted to put this here for you Taliesin. It is from the patch notes for 8.6.7 build from the priest changes. Thought you would appreciate it. Knaifu has been renamed “Bae Blade.” Bae Blade's whispers are now more encouraging. Bae Blade is now your life coach. You can do it, sweetie.
honestly 8.3 should be nylalotha. we fight n'zoth and we lose spectacularly. just as everyone dies,, azeroth awakens... and the expansion ends on a to be continued note =D
Someone on the forums mentioned how Jaina has blue eyes in game, but brown eyes on the statue. How could they possible fuck that up? I really wanted this statue, but not with such an obviously flaw.
So like, am I the only have who couldn't play when 1.8.5. launched? Literally right when it updated the game just refuses to open. Anytime I try it just automatically closes itself saying there was an error.
I just missed out on getting the knight rank in vanilla, I only pvp'd to try and get into the hall. I also remember the one shots ,oh boy, I'd only do classic to see if I can do it better this time round.
"...it just turns out you could have gotten a whole lot more bang if you'd just lasted a bit longer." I think this will forever be my favorite T&E quote.
Spell batching was a lot of fun. I would time my feral charge with a warriors charge which would root them in place where I was and I teleport to their location. Great for kiting lol
holy fuck the bit at 7:15 killed me. I love you guys, and sometimes I feel like both of you are hired actors to make me feel like I can live a normal life playing WoW. But you're not, you're just two normal people that make me feel like I can live a normal life playing WoW.
like any respectable consumer, i judge a product on purchase, not 6 months later after multiple deep gouging changes, i wont be back this expansion. the release defined BFA for me
Whereas I'd agree with this most of the time, that seems like a bit of a short sighted view of a game which is literally designed to be different experiences over the course of its two year life span.
@@TaliesinEvitel that would have been true when i was younger but nowadays in gaming, im just sick of paying for something on the chance i might like it 6-12 months after its released
Jaina was never the same after her time as an end raid boss. The facial reconstruction surgeons did a good job fixing her up after that horde panda monk smashed her in the face with that keg but...They aren't miracle workers, and medical science/magic has only come so far.
That suggested skip is some next level trickery.
(Not that I would ever skip any part of the weekly reset.)
I laughed so hard I had to pause to catch my breath.
Fucking genius XD
Top 5 intros easy
So you two going to sleep at night is:
"Good night, Jaina."
"WoW Classic..."
😂
they are very fake ppl
Can't stop thinking about the conversation where Tali reassures Evitel that his obsession with Jaina is a totally a meme and not an issue they need to keep talking about.
If she would cosplay as jaina, I'm pretty sure he would die as all liquid leaves his body :)
The only explanation for that face is that she's possessed by a Dreadlord.
Going for that Chinese market IMO
jaina is a dreadlord, confirmed
Or it's this year's April fools day joke
That is a very nice statue of a Japanese man in Jaina cosplay.
i read your comment while watching the video and i said "it cant be that bad" then he shows her face and my god that does look like a Japanese man :X
Haha agree
Nah she joined the transgender movement and made a facetransplant for moral support.
LMAO
The Sylvanas statue does look like her cinematic version though. Buy it if you want it, by all means, but I'm on the side that think that Jaina's face just doesn't look right.
That statue is quite older than her BfA cinematics you know?
You have a point there, when/if we get an actual cinematic with Jaina, you can compare if the statue matches her cinematic version like the Sylvanas statue does.
One word... Artstyle
@@petrameyer1121 Not really. It went on sale literally a day before Blizzcon 2017 which was where the cinematic was shown. Considering how long those cinematics can take to make, Blizzard most likely shared Sylvanas' look with the statue maker.
Edit: I forgot Sylvanas was in the Legion cinematic too, so yeah...pretty clear what came first.
@@petrameyer1121 But not older than the Legion cinematic, where she also appeared.
That face of Jaina represent Jaina after the raid...after she gotten some beating and permanent facial reconstruction.
lol so acti-blizz is selling statues of abused women ;p i like the thread !
She got beaten so hard her eyes changed from blue to brown. Wait, it's not the first time she is seen with brown eyes (07:49)... maybe there are two different Jainas?
Евгений Александров
A dreadlord and A lich
@@victorlrs6686 and a man according to some comments^^ I guess whatever mage anti aging thing she used to have is wearing off^^ Age is catching up to her.
I secretly believe that it's not statue of Jaina, but of Khadgar in Jaina cosplay.
: Dead : LOL
Brilliant move to put it on Evitals side of the bed. You can lean over to her and say "I love you", and she will be none the wiser ;P
🤣🤣🤣🤣
For 3 months straight your wisdom show was so much more entertaining than an actual wow game... or even more, than 3 months. Your show was great all this time. It’s just that the game was so-so sometimes.
Thanks for your hard work, thanks for your beardy smiles, thanks for still understandable English accent.
Poor statue face, but you can put on a spooky mask, or funny hat, or makeup, or whatever.
Till the next time, cyao!
"Evitel's side of the bed." Not even a beat to let that joke land, haha
Where did he say that joke? I must've missed it
@@Syngrafer Right at the end of the segment about the Jaina statue, in regards to where he would put it.
Thank you! I assumed it was the end segment.
Taliesin ordered the Jaina statue to go along with his Jaina body pillow, Jaina bedsheets, Jaina toothbrush, Jaina trousers and Jaina toilet paper....
Actually, sorry, that was me, I ordered that toilet paper.
Why would you want Jaina TP? Shouldn't it be Gallywix TP?
@@LittleZero86 👏 dis 👏 gus 👏 ting
Putting the Jaina statue on Evitel's side of the bed? Clever, this way if you roll over in bed you can see the woman you love with all your heart and Evitel, both at the same time.
Gunna have to disagree here, the other statues actually DO match the pictures and in game model and such, Very accurately actually. Jainas is to round... and the eyes are positioned wrong. and it also looks like the face has been redone since the statue shown at blizzcon.
yeah I laughed when he said the sylvanas model doesn't look like sylvanas I was like...ummmm...yeah it does especially the BFA intro cinematic
*WoW Bfa Jaina shows up*
Me: I prefer the real Jaina.
*Statue Jaina shows up*
Me: I said the real Jaina.
*Warcraft 3 Jaina shows up*
Me: Perfection.
Made out of 4 polygon.
Taliesen has that "iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii" look as he stands next to the life sized jaina statue :)
that statue reminds me of that "The Monkees" song.. "I'm a Believer"... "till I saw her face... tralalala"
It reminded me of Admiral Ackbar tbh, but hey what can you do.
Evitel to her brother:
"I remeber your wedding. In the mountains."
Show yourself out, eh?
The photo of the statue is just angled wrong. Angle it slightly more upward and it looks like Jaina.
This is actually true. I've seen the thing irl and it's great
It's supposed to be Jaina. Doesn't look like Jaina. All there is to it, IMO. Face is usually *the most* recognizable feature on a person. You would expect it to actually look like her..
TBF, i think it's fair to point out what jaina looks like has changed quite a bit since her warcraft days, as did other chars. Without context (when a roommate showed it to me) I actually had a hard time recognizing anduin in the BFA trailer. Jaina in particular didn't even always have her "signature" gold stripe on her silver hair (it was all gold in some cases), and across iterations nothing about her, save her costume, even resembles each other.
I think the problem isn't so much she's unrecognizable, but that she's (at least imo and i think many agree) ugly.
I mean i was on the "yeah doesn't look like her" until he pointed out ALL the different ways Jaina has looked
So what does Jaina "actually" look like in your opinion then? Seems like you kinda missed the whole point they were making in the video. Which iteration of the many in- and out of game iterations of Jaina is the right one then to fit for a statue?
@@misanthropiclusion really? Guess it's just me who's first response was "good mother of ****, this face!" :3
@@Jpeg-yz4xj Any one of them that isn't this one.
1:22 That "Weeell" sounded like David Tennant as The Doctor. I love it!
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so... it was not only me who thought there was something off with jaina's statue face?
Ryu from SF face on a body of Jaina, that is what I see when looking at that $350 statue.
Tali that is not Jaina. Its not subjective when the general reaction from anyone seeing her face is "Who are you and what did you do to Ms Proudmoore".
The quality of the range and design is there, the face simply isn't tho lol.
I have Sylvanas and Illidan because they are high quality like for like representations of their cinematic counterparts. Both so awesome (especially Sylvanas who even has that look of utter disdain makes you feel like you are soiling her air with your very breath) and yea Illidan is not only huge, heavy and imposing he is also quite stabby stabby making the whole bookshelf positioning thing a bloody affair.
But seriously you pre-rdered having seen that face on the big sized statue or did you think that maybe the smaller versions would have that addressed and therefore would look better?
This video is in low quality 360p just like Jaina's statue face. Hello tho.
Notice how Evitel looks away everytime when Taliesin makes eye contact, fascinating to look at
I always have a smile on my face watching the weekly reset. Thank you so you much!
Sorry Taliesin, the face was a dealbreaker for me. To me, that face doesnt even look feminine. Without the head, the statue is brilliant, absolutely stunning. But the face. To me it looks mannish. Maybe its the square jaw. In the game she has a pointed chin. Basic facial structure isnt even the same. Even if they wanted to make her makeup different, give her big brows, hell even give her a scar or wrinkles, that to me is an interpretation. The jaw just is... wrong. And she has no cheekbones. The face looks flat. Even the jarring difference between the Ulduar cinematic Jaina and the rest of the in game Jaina representations isnt as bad as this (and the Ulduar Jaina is pretty bad) We have so many representations of Jaina in game that for this statue to represent itself as Jaina and not as someone cosplaying as Jaina its very disappointing. I WANTED to throw my 350 at this statue and have Jaina live on my bookcase and struggle mightily with trying to lift her on there, but I'm sorry, the face broke the deal for me.
And for me, I'm sure the artist's interpretation of Jaina is fine, and if this was a licensed interpretation sold on Etsy or something, fine, great, sell away. But when we have multiple posters, mugs, shirts, toys, in game interpretations of her... anything but a fairly faithful recreation of her face is doing her a disservice.
I dont blame you though for buying the statue. If YOU"RE happy with the statue, that's all that matters. But I'm not happy with it. And I'm using my consumer ability to not buy the statue to voice my displeasure.
i mean, i guess other people have different tipping points, but i've always thought T&E were fairly reasonable and this was the first time i went "no no no, you can't possibly defend this"
@@randomnobody660 I mean he said that the face looked off... I just cant believe he spent 350 with a face that looks like that. Most limited edition statuary gain value over the years, especially a statue that is of a prominent character. But I'm afraid this has lost value even before it ships.
I dont mind that the justification is a bit out there really. I'm a fan of T&E, but I'm just surprised at this defense of something that's SO bad. This isnt just people are voicing displeasure over their class being nerfed or at a raid tier or at the balance or lack therof in PVP.
I mean its their money, they can spend it on whatever crap they want to. And if Tali thinks that this statue is beautiful and is worth even more than his beautiful round boi, then I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
@@burningisis I mean I get blizzard isn't exactly consistent with character representation (a point well made i think). However i don't think that's the problem.
T&E made many statements that I think are perhaps purposefully contrarian, but insightful in nature. Patch for patch perhaps 8.1 did deliver more than 7.1 in some ways, blizzard laying off employees happens in the best of years etc. (i don't remember. it's been too long lol)
This video could have been that, it's so close. I think something like "character representation isn't consistent anyways. You can tell it's jaina, it's well made, and it looks good" would be a very fair argument.
It has to look good though. If the statue is gorgeous, takes a bunch of artistic freedoms, and even looks vaguely like jaina, I doubt people would have problem with it.
At this point it feels to me like Taliesin possibly has interesting tastes (which is fine), but if not is sadly embracing the shill meme. The problem is that the statue is ugly imo, and most agree. Pointing out jaina has multiple depictions and some are even worse isn't helping. I will remain a fan as well, but a slightly disappointed one.
@@randomnobody660 I'm a fan as well, heck i'm even a Patron. I'm not going to just turn around and join in with the shill meme. I just happen to disagree with his opinion that he presented on the statue. It does feel a little shill-y. And I know they're not shills or at least I hope not. But at the same time, this does illustrate the meme just a bit.
I can't help but picture Evitel as the Hamburglar in that shirt.
They're selling a Jaina statue, but that is NOT Jaina!
Let me clarify, Jaina in my eyes is this naive girl that slowly shaped into wise woman, then tragedies forced her to be harsh and angry. But deep down inside, she's still holding that little naiveness. That why in the cinematic her aged look is so gorgeous and fitting. It captured her spirit, her essence. This statue is a disgrace, not only her face is the wrong shape, her expression has no life in it, no that Jaina spirit we are grown to love.
You compared it to Sylvanas statue, her statue at the least captured her hatred for the living. And her face is closely resembled her in game look. She doesn't have a square or rectangular face!
When you look at Sylvanas' statue, you immediately recognize it's her, the banshee queen. Then you look at at Jaina's statue, it looks like some middle age woman cosplay Jaina. It's no comparison.
Now the Anduin's face, we all know in cinematic things have more details and worked to perfection. In game models have to deal with polygon rendering, the simpler the less stress on player end. Of course, the fact that we DO NOT pay 300 bucks for Anduin's angel face.
>aged look
buddy she looks like she's in her early 20's while nearing her 40's
So glad I watched Az's video before I watched this. It made that cameo 100 times more hilarious. Well done T&E
Az is his youtube channel? never heard of it, cant find it either :)
xCathe No, the channel is Heals vs Babyface. Az is his name and his video about the Jaina statue poked fun at T&E in the first 30 seconds (ua-cam.com/video/CYmcAJ5eysk/v-deo.html). So T&E then got him back by putting the video of him mimicking them into their video around the 7:15 minute mark. It was hilarious
Can't Believe People give that manbaby views.
Then again, People love shitty personalities and outrage culture.
That intro is part of the reason I keep watching your content after breaking up with WoW again. Good stuff!
"The patch that will define BFA"
i read that for nearly every patch and tbh. no one of them so far delivered.
"nearly every patch"
Uh, there have been two so far, one a fairly minor content release and the other a .5 patch, neither of which (as far as I saw) was particularly heralded to be a turning point/potential saviour. The closest to that I can think of is people saying "I hope 8.1 fixes stuff" before we knew anything about 8.1, or maybe people essentially saying "I hope the 8.1 changes will do more than we think"?
Unless you mean in past expansions, which I don't recall anything like that in Legion, probably because I was taking a bit of a break during most of that. I'm sure there was a lot in WoD, which fair enough yeah they fucked that up. But in MoP they actually did have a patch which fixed it, the improvements from 5.2 are massive, to the point that most people forget that early MoP had a _lot_ of issues.
I'm not looking to say that 8.2 will be great, or anything about the current state of the game really, just that we've got to wait and see before condemning it because from what little we know stuff is looking somewhat better.
@@Elendrial and? every second youtube video calls for "the patch that will define BFA".
the problem is, that they cant fix looting systems, because they want the players to grind the same content over and over again.
i was raiding in a guild for 2 years and this guild now disbanded (the guild existed since vanilla), because people felt simply stupid going to do the most difficult content every week while getting nothing.
for me, i got not a single upgrade in the last 4 weeks and by that i do not mean those 0.1% upgrades...
no good trinkets no good azerite items.
i rolled so far 4 shoulder items and got 3 times the same item, which is a chance of 1/216 to happen... just ridiculous.
the system to get gear and how classes are currently balanced is simply pathetic.
we have nearly the same amount of melee speccs and range speccs and what do people ask for? right, RANGE DPS
a friend of mine plays hunter (we have nearly the same logs) and heh ad 12 requests while i have 3. im playing ww and there you can basically see that the whole class system atm simply sucks.
people always seeked out for range dps but nowadays it is absolutly ridiculous how many range dps you bring for bosses compared to melee.
'You could have got a bit more bang if you'd just lasted longer'
I feel ya Evitel, preach gurl
I love you guys. if I could I'd give you an actual 24k gold star for your troll Taliesen.
But.....I am less than enthused with the notion that the official statue of an iconic character being released by and on the company owned store is "an interpretation" of that character. leave such things to the secondary market and produce the image that is supposed to be the character. I have nothing against such things in general, and if they had released a line of statues of her would even approve.
My 7 year old nephew's reaction when I was looking at the statue was "she looks weird". When I asked what he meant he said she looked like a different person. We had been watching wow cinematics earlier this week and he really liked the Loarderon cinematic where she fly's in on the ship and has been watching it constantly (much tot my kid sisters annoyance ;). When you fail the 7 year old's believability index you have failed indeed.
But he's agreeing that she looks different than her cinematic. Anyone can see that. He's saying that her looking different isn't a bad thing. So your story there doesn't make much sense to that extent.
@@drudle As I said had the released a line of statues of her then fine make some interpretations of her.
I think it's not a good thing for the only statue they have released of her to not be her iconic look but an interpretation of what she could/should/would look like if she was not who she was already.
The argument that they keep changing the looks of people in game so much is no good for me either as that also makes me crazy. Moving from wow style to the cinematics is one thing, some differences could/must occur. But to change her look so constantly is jarring and feels bad man.
anyone know if were getting the worgen and goblin model updates in 8.2 or is that still in the wind?
8:58 actual skip the Jaina statue talk button. You don't control me Taliesin
Thank you
what is 8.3 ≥ release of the Mueller report
I love watching your vids and az's vids so i find it hilarious when you poke fun at each other.
Az is probably more malicious and isn't poking fun.
@@a40989d1 T&E started it.
@@a40989d1 Imagine thinking something like this
@@a40989d1 tbh T&E started this thing, and it's stupid imho, they should just make out. I love all three of these guys and it's sad that this happened :(
@@a40989d1 Or you're a fanboy looking for drama.
So how many statues did Taliesin order? 1? 2? 57?
Would like to have the Jaina Statue, but that face is sub par imo. Sylvanas and Illidan statues were pretty dar good but this one seems ..... Blizz fix this so I can give you more of my money
Sub par? I think it's pretty great quality. It isn't a 1:1 of her in game model but the quality of it, regardless of how it looks, is high up there.
I DON'T WANNA SKIP THE JAINA STATUE TALK!!!
THANK YOU! REALLY! Thank you for bringing the "Jaina statue Face" gate up!
I was going mad thinking I was the anomaly ^^
Thanks! love you!
8:15
That's some brilliant writing (and delivery) there.
Rofl'ed almost as far as that chest distance. XD
I haven't played wow since cataclysm, but still watching you all the time to keep myself up-to-date on what's going on. Thank you for your work :D
The face is terrible though. Pretty disappointed
Oh but it's subjective, didn't you hear? LOL!
@@EQOAnostalgia subjective btw kappa
"With her chest reaching any given destination 20 minutes before she does," amazing. Simply brilliant. Thank you , i smiled.
4:13 click here to skip the Jaina talk btw
You mean 2:13 ?
when did prot warrior become playable
Well she is kul tiran so still looks better than most other woman from that place
I thought it was just me thinking that Jaina's face was a bit off. The intro in this video made my morning!
Evitel's side of the bed, eh. Snorted chai through my nose at that one, thank you for that.
The statue is terrifying! Especially if you compare it to the Jaina fine art Giclée Blizzard sold a few months ago.
Their are 3D printers that can do a 100% better job on Jaina's face .
Show me one please...
Yes they can especially sla but first you need a decent detailed model.
Is the second thing a guest appearance on The Instance podcast? Scott Johnson has already mentioned it.
2nd comment. My favourite thing about Az' video is the implicit admission that he'd buy it with a different face, effectively counteracting the fact he isn't subbeď
Why would buying a statue of a beloved character from a 25 year old franchise that has been apart of a person’s life for nearly as long be counteractive just because he doesn’t enjoy the direction the game has gone in the past few years?
But will the Feral bug still be in classic (face in npc's butt = you are too far away, face inside the back of the npc's torso = you must be behind the target to use that ability) :P
Blizzard:
- Kills Heroes of the Storm.
- Does WoW dungeons instead...
*deep sigh*
Do you mean the M+ championship? Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't they done that before they killed the Heroes of the Storm?
@@rottencorpse2162 Yes, but does that really have more income then HotS?
Does WoW dungeons really have more importance then HotS?
@@lytherael2309 Umm. What i meant with that is that WoWs championship has little to do with HoTs...?
Happy to hear you guys are also stoked for Classic
Very suspicious that 8.2 isn't on the PTR yet. They are probably lagging behind in development. I don't see how it can release in May, that would be just 6 weeks of ptr testing for one of the largest content patches in history.
It's not like testing does much anyways. There are still bugs in the game that I reported during Alpha.
Quesiton, I thought it was bugged but do the Zandalari Boomkin form not have a dance?
was wondering why the only quality was 360p lmao;;;;
come back in 4 hours and 1080p will be available
Isn't 8.2 also the patch that's bringing in the worgen and goblin model updates? If so, kinda surprised you guys didn't mention that. Been waiting on that since WoD.
It's not conformed for 8.2, but it'll probably come at some point randomly
Love ya's, but when it comes to the Jaina face, YOU'RE WRONG! ;)
Brilliant piece again,
I also like how your vids always seem to line up with the new Last Week Tonight piece :)
not lying when I say that I'm like 99% sure I won't be buying next expansion till 9.2 when they put in flying. After playing for 10+ years, I just WON'T put up with it not being in the first major patch anymore.
You can't be that bad at pvp?
what's between tali and heelz ?
I like the small jabs at BabyVsHeel's channel. Kinda am fed up with the whole negative attitude and all. Taliesin, there is something about your humour that cracks me up everytime. Much love to you and Evitel.
Babyface is the Vaulty of Wownews and updates
He has a grudge against WoW and Blizzard full stop. He wanted to move his channel away from WoW and swore he'd never be back. His views dropped and dropped and his income tanked. He then begrudgingly went back to making WoW videos until public opinion on WoW had turned negative. He leaped at the chance to monetize his vitriol and now takes any little chance he can to shit on Blizzard. It's pretty pathetic really.
Why would you ever run guild socials through curve
the statue is a Sh*tshow obviously!
Always waiting for my Taliesin & Evtel video!
I got my T&E T-shirt from Germany quicker then stuff from Canada
will it be available later in the gear store
I want the Jaina statue but DaFuq if I'm going to pay $350 for it. lol
Taliesin is type of guy who is screeming "EEEE" when he's riding on Hippo in 3AM
The way he pronounces illidan's is pissing me off more than it should.
That’s because you are confused mate. He’s not talking about Illidan. It’s his slightly less known twin Illi-Dan, who gave up demonhunting and became a rapper
I noticed huge thingslike per and game breaking news usually pop out during completions of pvp and mythic plus and after raid races or right after it.
Keep up the optimism I hate how everyone is always gloom and doom over every little thing. I still love the game!
Just wanted to put this here for you Taliesin. It is from the patch notes for 8.6.7 build from the priest changes. Thought you would appreciate it.
Knaifu has been renamed “Bae Blade.”
Bae Blade's whispers are now more encouraging.
Bae Blade is now your life coach.
You can do it, sweetie.
honestly 8.3 should be nylalotha. we fight n'zoth and we lose spectacularly. just as everyone dies,, azeroth awakens... and the expansion ends on a to be continued note =D
Ah, but will the zones be dotted with mobs you can't avoid when trying to gather mats?
pretty darn good has to be, i feel lonely, my friends have all migrated to final fantasy to this point and im sad :c
final fantasy isnt all its cracked out to be i migrated and im holding out for wow to give me a reason to come back
Someone on the forums mentioned how Jaina has blue eyes in game, but brown eyes on the statue. How could they possible fuck that up? I really wanted this statue, but not with such an obviously flaw.
I'm starting to feel this show is made for Az and not for the subs -.-
why video option only 360 for me ??
So what? My girlfriend from Thailand has face pretty much like this one... wait!
So like, am I the only have who couldn't play when 1.8.5. launched? Literally right when it updated the game just refuses to open. Anytime I try it just automatically closes itself saying there was an error.
When it comes to WC 1 and 2. You've been able to play them on DosBox for a very long time now. For free.
I just missed out on getting the knight rank in vanilla, I only pvp'd to try and get into the hall. I also remember the one shots ,oh boy, I'd only do classic to see if I can do it better this time round.
I wanted a pre-BFA jaina model but whatever guess ill just spend twice as much on a custom model...
"...it just turns out you could have gotten a whole lot more bang if you'd just lasted a bit longer." I think this will forever be my favorite T&E quote.
Sylvanas' and Illidan's are way better.
Spell batching was a lot of fun. I would time my feral charge with a warriors charge which would root them in place where I was and I teleport to their location. Great for kiting lol
Sorry new face who dis?
Damn you Taliesin! You got me with that 04:12 shenanigan!!!!
Its not just the face... the eyes are black o.O
Is it possible they still might change the face?
You mean the best players that aren't banned for the potion exploit
holy fuck the bit at 7:15 killed me. I love you guys, and sometimes I feel like both of you are hired actors to make me feel like I can live a normal life playing WoW. But you're not, you're just two normal people that make me feel like I can live a normal life playing WoW.
like any respectable consumer, i judge a product on purchase, not 6 months later after multiple deep gouging changes, i wont be back this expansion. the release defined BFA for me
Whereas I'd agree with this most of the time, that seems like a bit of a short sighted view of a game which is literally designed to be different experiences over the course of its two year life span.
@@TaliesinEvitel that would have been true when i was younger but nowadays in gaming, im just sick of paying for something on the chance i might like it 6-12 months after its released
Jaina was never the same after her time as an end raid boss. The facial reconstruction surgeons did a good job fixing her up after that horde panda monk smashed her in the face with that keg but...They aren't miracle workers, and medical science/magic has only come so far.
$350 for an 18" statue? Are they serious!? Is this an April fools Joke!?
Newsky79 have you seen any of their other statues for about the same price?
i know right, you would think they would charge $999 and people would still buy it!
The cross eyed version is already selling for 50k!
@@neildoerdan2298 lmao
anyone know the song at 10:40?