For me, a pre Vat II former Catholic, this all makes sense. When VatII came out, it was as though they said, “Remember all that stuff we taught you? Well, forget it!” Fortunately for me, I had a teacher in grammar school who taught us about the Orthodox Church. It took me until 2012 to get there, but God led me there!
I am a Catholic, discerning Orthodoxy and this was very helpful. Papal supremacy and infallibility are questionable historically but it is the dogmatic approach by Rome which has caused me, personally, to struggle. Not willingly attending Mass just once will consign me to hell, my questioning Original Sin versus Ancestral Sin, my not believing in some Marian dogmas (despite honouring Our Blessed Mother) and not believing in Purgatory with all its punitive terrors, despite no solid Biblical evidence - all will have me damned and have left me feeling very uneasy. Not once, for nearly 70 years, has my deep and abiding faith/trust in Christ ever deserted me. I feel I have almost been in an abusive relationship but have been too scared to leave. When attending Divine Liturgy and speaking with my local Orthodox Priest, I have felt none of this. I continue to read books on the Orthodox faith and attend my local Russian Orthodox Church. Perhaps next year.... God willing.
It is my sincere hope and belief that many faithful Catholics that love Christ and His Church will leave to find the Church they’ve always been looking for and desired to be joined to in the Orthodox Catholic Church.
Truth is setting you free. I grew up Catholic, and similar ways I felt I couldn't question, but just obey "in faith" to be part of that church...I couldn't and eventually went more Protestant around 18/19yrs old for several years before converting to Orthodoxy 4 yrs ago now officially. 70+yrs of not wavering from Christ, that's amazing! I'm 38, and still marching forward in my commitment to to Christ as well. Sounds like you're on the right path, and I'd encourage you to keep speaking to that Orthodox priest, and welcome ❤.
"Now I confidently say that whosoever calls himself, or desires to be called, Universal Priest, is in his elation the precursor of Antichrist, because he proudly puts himself above all others." - Pope Saint Gregory the Great - defender of Orthodoxy (or as he is known in the Orthodox Church, Saint Gregory the Dialogist; Book VII: Epistle XXXIII)
@@traviswilson36Indeed the part where saint pope Gregory the Great wrote that neither st Peter nor his predecessors claimed to be universal bishops is missing. Kyrie eleison ☦️
Pope St. Gregory the Great was condemning John IV the Patriarch of Constantinople for being the first to call himself "Ecumenical Patriarch." Pope Gregory wasn't attacking his own position; he was denouncing your Patriarch for attempting to usurp the primacy of the Bishop of Rome. That means your Ecumenical Patriarch is the Anti-Christ!
My family was just received into the Orthodox Christian Church. We were Baptized together, my disabled husband, my 8 year old son and myself into the Romanian Orthodox Christian Church of North America. St. Nicholas is our families Patron Saint. The Church Father has decided to be our spiritual Father, while his wife is to be my God mother. Maybe it's because we have no family (only our mothers and one sibling who all live hours away). This was after 3 years of attending Divine Liturgy at another Orthodox Church with my son on and off, with my husband only coming occasionally due to his back pain/mobility. Very very strict attendance standards. My good friend goes to both Churches, and kept inviting me to a different Romanian Orthodox Christian Church. I finally went and after 3 weeks the Church Father wanted to Baptize us as a family! I know most of the Divine Liturgy, can recite the Creed, make the Cross. Anyways..... After so long i was crying with Joy. I was starting to think i would die without any Sacraments, or a Guardian Angel.
@JustADudeOnTheInternetSoChillHonestly I will be frank with you, theres no one on the internet that can give the perfect advice. My 2 cents is to analyze the root cause(es) why she opposes it and prepare arguments with a priest maybe, otherwise get help from someone offline, a priest, friend, relative, etc. Also what do you mean she violently opposes it? This implies she threatened or hurt you physically. If all fail the bite the bullet and divorce her, she has no right to dictate your faith or your children's.
I really look forward to watching the whole video. I've read a lot about Orthodoxy, and a smattering of some of the early fathers' writings on the role of the Bishop of Rome in the early centuries. I'm a Roman Catholic who is now questioning the idea of "papal supremacy" and Rome's claim of "universal jurisdiction." I find myself aligning more with the Orthodox position. I've attended a Serbian Orthodox Church off and on for the last 4 months. May God direct our steps to the Truth.
You're doing better than I did when I first came to Orthodoxy. It took me about a year after my first visit to an Orthodox church to be ready to go back! It's a big step to switch from one church to another, new things to get used to and breaking out of your comfort zone, but it sounds like you're starting to get more comfortable with it.
Thank you for this. Wonderful interviewer and Father. Amazing questions that helps me very much. Especially how you tackle them humbly. Lord have mercy on me.
"This is the bond of peace, this is the unity of the body, that we hold fast to the faith of the Church, which is now most firmly established in the Roman See." Letter to Cornelius (Letter 54) "For they have no regard for the Church, who have no regard for the Chair of Peter." Letter to Stephen (Letter 75) St. Cyprian of Carthage. On the Unity of the Church (De Unitate Ecclesiae), Chapter 4. Original Version (Early Draft) “The Lord speaks to Peter, saying: 'I say to you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it...' And although He assigns a like power to all the Apostles, yet He founded a single chair, thus establishing by His own authority the source and hallmark of unity. The primacy is given to Peter, and it is thus made clear that there is but one Church and one chair.” St. Cyprian of Carthage. On the Unity of the Church (De Unitate Ecclesiae), Chapter 4. Revised Version (Later Draft) “Upon one he builds his Church, and although he gives to all the apostles an equal power, yet he has established one chair, and he has arranged by his authority the origin of unity. The others were indeed that which Peter was; but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair.”
The main differences between Orthodox Christianity and Roman Catholicism. the main things which keep our religions separate are: Papal Supremacy, Papal Infallibility, The Filioque, Absolute Divine Simplicity, Created Grace Doctrine, natural theology, scholasticism, Original sin, sacred heart doctrine, Immaculate conception, Purgatory, Merits/Indulgences, evolution of Dogma,imaginative prayer, "beatific vision" etc Then the Forced Celibacy of Priests, The use of Unleavened Bread in the Eucharist, The Adoption and change of the Christian calendar, The use of Renaissance statues, Pews, Child Communion, improper non immersion baptism, Cardinals, and differences in liturgical practices (Alter tables, Iconostasis, priest positioning etc) all of those things, we say the Western Church adopted and innovated and became heretical when they adopted these things. And we say that in the early church NONE of these things existed, there is no evidence of these things. No examples of Papal Infallibility, No examples of merits/indulgences, and no examples of unleavened wafer bread, and such. In fact in the west, In Rome. It looked a lot similar to how we Orthodox exist today. Our priests can get married, we use Icons and not statues, we use the old calendar etc Orthodoxy Vs Roman Catholicism: Energy Essence Distinction vs Absolute Divine Simplicity Ancestral Sin vs Original Sin Non Filioque Trinity vs Filioque Trinity Patriarchy vs Papacy Revealed Theology vs Natural Theology Hesychasm Vs Scholasticism Theosis vs Sanctification Married Priest vs Celibate Priests Infant Communion Vs Non Infant Communion Iconography vs Statues Full Immersion Baptism vs Sprinkle Baptism One Baptism vs Confirmation Baptism Leavened Communion Bread vs Unleavened Communion bread Julian Calendar vs Pope Gregory's Calendar We are not the same Religion, we do not have the same faith, and anyone who looks into either religions genuinely will see how different we are
Can I ask you about the calendar? As far as I know not a lot of Orthodox churches are using the old (Julian) calendar. Only Russian Orthodox, Serbian, Georgian, Armenian. Others are using Gregorian one. Yes, at Pascha you're following the Julian. But after the Holy Trinity festive you go back again to the Gregorian calendar. The Julian calendar celebrates Christmas on the 7th January. 🙏❤️🕊️
“For I consider that I am not at all inferior to the most eminent apostles.” -the Apostle Paul II Corinthians 11:5 “I have become a fool in boasting; you have compelled me. For I ought to have been commended by you; for in nothing was I behind the most eminent apostles, though I am nothing. Truly the signs of an apostle were accomplished among you with all perseverance, in signs and wonders and mighty deeds. For what is it in which you were inferior to other churches, except that I myself was not burdensome to you? Forgive me this wrong!” -the Apostle Paul II Corinthians 12:11-13
The issue of papal supremacy is so low on the list for me in discerning between the two churches which both claim to be the one true church. So is Mariology, and the fillioque. The fact is, the way these two churches view and practice the faith is radically different, and if you read enough of the fathers and early saints, it’s clear that the Orthodox Church has kept the true faith, and the Roman Catholic Church has not.
I'm a Roman Catholic, and I find it interesting to learn about Eastern Orthodox perspectives on various Catholic doctrines. However, I won't be converting to Orthodoxy anytime soon, as I have several concerns with it.
The main differences between Orthodox Christianity and Roman Catholicism. the main things which keep our religions separate are: Papal Supremacy, Papal Infallibility, The Filioque, Absolute Divine Simplicity, Created Grace Doctrine, natural theology, scholasticism, Original sin, sacred heart doctrine, Immaculate conception, Purgatory, Merits/Indulgences, evolution of Dogma,imaginative prayer, "beatific vision" etc Then the Forced Celibacy of Priests, The use of Unleavened Bread in the Eucharist, The Adoption and change of the Christian calendar, The use of Renaissance statues, Pews, Child Communion, improper non immersion baptism, Cardinals, and differences in liturgical practices (Alter tables, Iconostasis, priest positioning etc) all of those things, we say the Western Church adopted and innovated and became heretical when they adopted these things. And we say that in the early church NONE of these things existed, there is no evidence of these things. No examples of Papal Infallibility, No examples of merits/indulgences, and no examples of unleavened wafer bread, and such. In fact in the west, In Rome. It looked a lot similar to how we Orthodox exist today. Our priests can get married, we use Icons and not statues, we use the old calendar etc Orthodoxy Vs Roman Catholicism: Energy Essence Distinction vs Absolute Divine Simplicity Ancestral Sin vs Original Sin Non Filioque Trinity vs Filioque Trinity Patriarchy vs Papacy Revealed Theology vs Natural Theology Hesychasm Vs Scholasticism Theosis vs Sanctification Married Priest vs Celibate Priests Infant Communion Vs Non Infant Communion Iconography vs Statues Full Immersion Baptism vs Sprinkle Baptism One Baptism vs Confirmation Baptism Leavened Communion Bread vs Unleavened Communion bread Julian Calendar vs Pope Gregory's Calendar We are not the same Religion, we do not have the same faith, and anyone who looks into either religions genuinely will see how different we are.
Great list, but I’d like to point out that the Western Church has had differences from the Eastern Churches since the earliest days of Christianity. For example, Western Church Fathers were teaching the Filioque as early as the 5th century. Also, priestly celibacy in the Catholic Church is not a dogma but a disciplinary practice. If marriage is allowed for priests, why can't your bishops marry? Why does the Eastern Orthodox Church permit contraception? And why hasn’t the Eastern Orthodox Church held an Ecumenical Council since Nicaea II?
@@anycyclopedia We Orthodox have had many Pan Orthodox councils after the schism Because when Rome fell into heresy, the sees of, Antioch, Constantinople, Jerusalem, and Alexandria. All had Orthodox Patriarchs and remained separate until the crusaders invaded them and established Papal Bishops. You should ask the question, why were the 7 ecumenical councils that you accept, all done in the Eastern Roman Byzantine Empire? Why not Italy or the west? Roman Catholicism Started with the Holy Roman Empire Civilization For us Orthodox, we see Catholics as Catholics see Protestants A Pentecostal or Mormon can claim to be a Christian but they are not A Papist can claim that Christ Established the papacy. But this is not the truth Christ did not bless Peter the ability to have a standing crusader army It was entirely political, just like HRE was and Catholicism as a whole is Godbless you.
@@momus2424 Speaking of politics, it's clear the Eastern Orthodox Church was made by politics. Why else would the Ecumenical Patriarch be based in Constantinople, a city founded by Constantine in the 4th century with no apostolic origins? It became a patriarchate due to his influence, and later, Byzantine emperors held councils to elevate its status, even calling it "New Rome." Now, a patriarchate without apostolic roots is considered your Ecumenical Patriarch.
I’ve been on a spiritual journey for 14 years now, and I’ve always been yearning more to go to the Orthodox than Catholic. I became Catholic in 2022, but I am still at odds with the claims of the Papacy having had similar power in the East during the Early Church.
Current doctrine of the Ecumenical Patriarch: “we declare that the Autocephalous Church in Ukraine knows as its head the most holy Apostolic and Patriarchal Ecumenical Throne“ … “the Ecumenical Patriarch, who bears the canonical responsibility of irrevocably passing judgment over matters related to bishops and other clergy in local Churches.”
The ecumenical patriarch in absolutely no way has canonical power over the Orthodox church. Not even as a joke. The recognition of a Ukranian church by him was not a canonical type of decision. Not a dogma decision. And his recognition absolutely binds no one else.
The title of "pope" was held by the Patriarch of Alexandria even before the Bishop of Rome. At one historical moment, the Patriarchate of Alexandria was on the 1st place in the diptych of the ancient "pentarchy" (Jerusalem, Roman, Constantinople, Alexandria, Patriarchate of Antioch). Later, the pretensions of the bishops of Rome and Constantinople came (although it was more the intention of the then emperors to make Constantinople the first city in the Byzantine Empire compared to Rome, which was before that) about the championship. In the end, it was concluded that it did not matter who was first (because Christ says that we should not fight to be the main one), but unfortunately the Roman bishop did not understand that and caused a schism.
Coming from an Evangelical perspective and currently investigating both Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy, my studies have led to the same conclusion. I don't see the Bishop of Rome having primacy in either the NT documents or in the writings of the early Church Fathers. I'll keep reading and studying. May God guide me down the path.
Here is what the Vatican admitted... perhaps you have read it already..... 19. Over the centuries, a number of appeals were made to the bishop of Rome, also from the East, in disciplinary matters, such as the deposition of a bishop. An attempt was made at the Synod of Sardica (343) to establish rules for such a procedure.(14) Sardica was received at the Council in Trullo (692).(15) The canons of Sardica determined that a bishop who had been condemned could appeal to the bishop of Rome, and that the latter, if he deemed it appropriate, might order a retrial, to be conducted by the bishops in the province neighbouring the bishop’s own. Appeals regarding disciplinary matters were also made to the see of Constantinople,(16) and to other sees. Such appeals to major sees were always treated in a synodical way. Appeals to the bishop of Rome from the East expressed the communion of the Church, but the BISHOP OF ROME DID NOT EXERCISE CANONICAL AUTHORITY OVER THE CHURCHES OF THE EAST. - Synodality And Primacy During The First Millennium, Chieti, 21 September 2016
My whole issue, as I began to read up and learn about the real history of Christianity from professional PHd scholars in the field,is that it turns out was entirely based on Greco-Roman Platonism, paganism, and gnosticism , only settling on officially (inspired) doctrine hundreds of years after the founding, so I have my doubts about the whole thing.
@@bradleyperry1735 Yes, now it is, but when deep diving into the origins of Christianity and Judaism you discover a lot… like in genesis, “let (us) make man in (our) own image” and everywhere people say he’s describing the trinity, after the fact, when in reality the ancient israelites worship the god El, and Ashura, and others. Also, there are first hand reports of miracles outside the bible that has greater probability than the bible where it’s all second third hand reports, so are those miracles real too?, no! because if the church fathers didn’t give their ok, it’s not true !
@@cheeseman417they literally constantly kill the people who worship El and ashura in the old testament, they also fought against pagans all the time, in fact people cry about how hard the Jews killed pagans in the old testament constantly
Lol PhD scholars are soooo reliable, remember when they were in charge of handling the virus and lockdowns, remember what great of a job they did ? Also yes there are things in Christianity which are similar to things Plato believed or that some pagans believed, just because they got some things right doesn't mean Christianity copied them, also having debates about doctrine for years is normal, Jews to this day debate official inspired doctrines so do Muslims so do pagans, because when you have billions of people believing something you'll have disagreements between them and the holy spirit settled these matters for us during the ecumenical councils
This was helpful for me and I want to share it with a friend, but I am concerned by the priest’s laughter. I’m afraid my Catholic friend will find it disrespectful. Does anyone have thoughts to offer on this? Thank you.
Also on the Petros/Petra argument, that always seemed like mental gymnastics. Forgetting that passage even. What language did Jesus mostly speak? Aramaic. And He named St. Peter Cephas (Rock in Aramaic). He names Peter that in the book of John. So whether you believe Peter is being referred to as the Rock or not, Jesus named Him Rock in Aramaic. Any way you look at Peter is the Rock. No other Apostle was repeatedly singled out like Peter was. St. Paul never got the name Paul from Christ. It was his Roman name (he was a Roman citizen), he stopped using Saul after a while (for what should be obvious reasons) and began using his Roman name. Look it up.
Hi there, many RC's are saddened by the Pope. The reason why we stay Roman Catholic( I'm aware you see us protestant ; Orthodoxy have great points and I love their humility and wisdom.) But bear with me, the remaining clergy and laity have "sensus fidei"- though a part of the Body is sick, It has a way to recover from heretical clergy( sadly, judging a pontiff proves to be extremely difficult but not impossible.) The Doctors of the Church, in summary, advises that a formal declaration of heresy ought to happen if ever a material heretic is fully exposed. As laity, we submit to the priests and wait or perhaps , repentance from the pontiff. As time passes, RC's go to SSPX; SSPX-MC ; Independent; sedevacantists (and Orthodoxy which is great!) these are reasonable decisions. I'm just a laity and learning but who am I really... That's my side, Salve Maria may She keep you under Her mantle.
@San-rx9kh hi, i appreciate your honestly. I advise to look at some of the lectures Jay Dyer offers about RCs (Vatican 1 & 2) that resolve the hop scotch of jumping from one type to another. In seriousness, the Pope's statements of how every religion can lead you to God is irreconcilable, esp. if salvation lies only when in communion with RC. This, and many other things conflicting between Vatican I & II make it difficult to maintain coherence as a follower of Christ.
As an Eastern Catholic, I had to discern between Catholic or orthodox. Catholics and Orthodox both know from scripture the Pope, as the successor to St. Peter has a unique position. The question is what would that look like?Thankfully I have a History background. I asked myself, would an Ancient Jewish Apostle have anything similar to First Among Equals? The answer is no. It would’ve been a completely foreign concept to them. Like in the book of Isaiah when Eliakim was given the keys to the kingdom of David, was he just First of Equals? Again no this is a modern invention so that the other bishops don’t have to concede authority, it’s political. And look at the state of the Orthodox Church today, with the constant infighting, like the ongoing schism between Moscow and Constantinople. It’s because they don’t have anyone of authority to unify them. I’m sorry if this seems unfair it’s just goes I see it. And I believe in working towards reuniting. It is a poor witness to Christ to preach unity and not unify the Church He gave us.
St Gregory I, Pope of Rome, Epistle XL, writing to Pope Eulogius, Patriarch of Alexandria... on THREE Petrine sees.! For he himself [Peter] exalted the See in which he deigned even to rest and end the present life [Rome]. He himself adorned the See to which he sent his disciple as evangelist [Alexandria]. He himself established the See in which, though he was to leave it, he sat for seven years [Antioch]. Since then it is the SEE OF ONE, and ONE SEE, over which by Divine authority THREE BISHOPS NOW PRESIDE, whatever good I hear of you, this I impute to myself. In other words... Rome can claim 1/3 of the Petrine legacy only. Other 2/3 belong to Eastern Orthodox.
I can now see some RCs coming and writing : 'Please father, read erick ybarra and Michael lofton they know better than you, read pope leos tome and agathos letter they are vatican I'
@@traviswilson36 Believe it or not, Jay Dyer has helped tons of people getting through RC arguments and becoming orthodox, and orthodoxy statistics show that at least 80% of converts stay orthodox, so he is actually doing a great job, even if he's a meanie or a doofus or not CHARITABLE
Can someone tell me, what form of Orthodox is this channel about? Is it Eastern? Im a born again Christian, but am now feeling a call towards Orthodox. Please help
please come and see at your local orthodox church, roots of orthodoxy is an amazing channel for lots of different info, but experiencing the living traditions of the original christian church is the true way to learn about it:) God bless you and guide you on your walk:)
I don't understand the curveball about the Aramaic for Cephas. As a proper noun it is masculine. In Hebrew, by the way, the common noun is also masculine (כפים pl.). Interesting that the Aramaic common noun is apparently feminine. However, in the gospel, the context is not common, but proper (a name).
Toll houses are allegorical and you are not required to believe in them because death, is a mystery. Whereas in the Catholic Church, Purgatory is a dogma and if you don't believe in it, it is a mortal sin that will condemn you to hell, despite no solid Biblical evidence.
It depends how you define: pope, vicar, Christ. And then it comes down semantics and propositional arguments. And then it’s a million miles from God. And then you say, who cares, say your prayers and go to bed.
The way I see it is the Catholic Church gives the Pope too much authority while the Orthodox do not go far enough in acknowledging his primacy. The Pope has two roles, one as the Bishop of Rome and the other as the supreme pontiff. The first one pertains to jurisdiction, so he has full authority over the Latin church but not over the other local churches, who have full autonomy. But as supreme pontiff and holding the Petrine office, he guides the church in high level matters and serves as a unifying authority. There is evidence in the first millenium for the latter but not for the papal dogmas defined in Vatican I.
Evidence, but not dogmatic evidence, and it's null and void when the pope schisms. Tons of Orthodox hold to a strong primacy view. The church of Christ doesn't need to "go" anywhere now that Rome has abdicated the faith.
@@LoafingMushroomyes exactly and without a super bishop that was the head of the church and confirming all bishops. This has been admitted by the Roman Church in the chieti and Alexandria documents.
The pope was the reason I went to Orthodoxy over Catholicism to begin with. There's been way too many awful takes by popes for me to ever consider him infallible, especially now that the current one has tried to bless same sex couples and even just flat out said that every religion leads to God. Fortunately with how much Orthodoxy is growing it seems like plenty of other people had a similar experience. With how many Roman Catholics I've seen talk about what a disgrace the current pope is (yet remain RC for... some reason) I'm sure there will be plenty more in the future.
Council of Carthage, ratified by Quinisext and Seventh Ecumenical Councils That infants are baptized for the remission of sins. (Canon 2 of 418 Synod) Likewise it seemed good that whosoever denies that infants newly from their mother’s wombs should be baptized, or says that baptism is for remission of sins, but that they derive from Adam no original sin, which needs to be removed by the laver of regeneration, from whence the conclusion follows, that in them the form of baptism for the remission of sins, is to be understood as false and not true, let him be anathema. For no otherwise can be understood what the Apostle says, “By one man sin is come into the world, and death through sin, and so death passed upon all men in that all have sinned,” than the Catholic Church everywhere diffused has always understood it. For on account of this rule of faith even infants, who could have committed as yet no sin themselves, therefore are truly baptized for the remission of sins, in order that what in them is the result of generation may be cleansed by regeneration.
@@traviswilson36 I’m so confused. You know English, but can’t make sensible phrases. But you know “pwned” that people said a couple decades ago so you can’t be a young child. Anything I can do to help?
Great, you are loyal to Orthodoxy or Roman Catholicism but, the point is not being loyal to orthodoxy and or the Pope, the point is being loyal to Christ. I’m Roman Catholic and I say this because it seems that both Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians are forgetting this and frankly well slandering one another in internet, something that Christ COMMANDED US NOT TO.
The main differences between Orthodox Christianity and Roman Catholicism. the main things which keep our religions separate are: Papal Supremacy, Papal Infallibility, The Filioque, Absolute Divine Simplicity, Created Grace Doctrine, natural theology, scholasticism, Original sin, sacred heart doctrine, Immaculate conception, Purgatory, Merits/Indulgences, evolution of Dogma,imaginative prayer, "beatific vision" etc Then the Forced Celibacy of Priests, The use of Unleavened Bread in the Eucharist, The Adoption and change of the Christian calendar, The use of Renaissance statues, Pews, Child Communion, improper non immersion baptism, Cardinals, and differences in liturgical practices (Alter tables, Iconostasis, priest positioning etc) all of those things, we say the Western Church adopted and innovated and became heretical when they adopted these things. And we say that in the early church NONE of these things existed, there is no evidence of these things. No examples of Papal Infallibility, No examples of merits/indulgences, and no examples of unleavened wafer bread, and such. In fact in the west, In Rome. It looked a lot similar to how we Orthodox exist today. Our priests can get married, we use Icons and not statues, we use the old calendar etc Orthodoxy Vs Roman Catholicism: Energy Essence Distinction vs Absolute Divine Simplicity Ancestral Sin vs Original Sin Non Filioque Trinity vs Filioque Trinity Patriarchy vs Papacy Revealed Theology vs Natural Theology Hesychasm Vs Scholasticism Theosis vs Sanctification Married Priest vs Celibate Priests Infant Communion Vs Non Infant Communion Iconography vs Statues Full Immersion Baptism vs Sprinkle Baptism One Baptism vs Confirmation Baptism Leavened Communion Bread vs Unleavened Communion bread Julian Calendar vs Pope Gregory's Calendar We are not the same Religion, we do not have the same faith, and anyone who looks into either religions genuinely will see how different we are.
Loyalty to Christ means loyalty to the church, which is His body. Why are you in a false sect that isn't part of His body if you're loyal to Christ? We all stumble, please visit an Orthodox church!
@@XiHamORTHOCN The only Orthodox Churches here where I live are like two hours away, and I can’t go walking or on a car, so that will have to wait, although I do like Orthodoxy.
@@Danfigueroamateo3870 you can contact the priests of those churches today for guidance. Christ is the way, and the Orthodox church is His church, so it's worth two hours! It's the same distance for me now, but it's the best part of my life. Don't worry about making it weekly at this stage of your life, try for monthly or so. And talk all of this through with the priests! There are faithful Orthodox in Siberia, in China, everywhere. ☦️🙏
The biggest problem with the Romans is that they deny Theosis. I've seen Romans and Orthodox dance around this issue. Papal Primacy is much less of an issue.
The Pope is not the symbol of The Catholic Christian Church The Lord Jesus instituted the role of the Pope starting with St. Peter to be an organizer and a human leader of The Church but He is The Holy Spirit of God Symbol of The Church not the Pope Jesus Christ has and always will be The Pope and Leader of The Church. Our Catholic Church today sees the Pope as the symbol of God and the heretic Pope Francis sadly like more than one of the Popes before him falls into Satan's deception that the issues of the world must be deemed necessary to be involved as much as the priorities of Jesus Christ. The Lord Jesus stated that God and the world do not walk hand and hand and it's the reason why the devil Lucifer the Hamas spirit has put his tail in the door and has walked in invited.
(Become Orthodox) Roman teaching is is this are you going against your church now? in vatican it states 1 That which our lord Jesus Christ, the prince of shepherds and great shepherd of the sheep, established in the blessed apostle Peter, for the continual salvation and permanent benefit of the church, must of necessity remain for ever, by Christ’s authority, in the church which, founded as it is upon a rock, will stand firm until the end of time [45] . For no one can be in doubt, indeed it was known in every age that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, the pillar of faith and the foundation of the catholic church, received the keys of the kingdom from our lord Jesus Christ, the saviour and redeemer of the human race, and that to this day and for ever he lives and presides and exercises judgment in his successors the bishops of the holy Roman see, which he founded and consecrated with his blood [46] . Therefore whoever succeeds to the chair of Peter obtains by the institution of Christ himself, the primacy of Peter over the whole church. So what the truth has ordained stands firm, and blessed Peter perseveres in the rock-like strength he was granted, and does not abandon that guidance of the church which he once received [47] . For this reason it has always been necessary for every church-that is to say the faithful throughout the world-to be in agreement with the Roman church because of its more effective leadership. In consequence of being joined, as members to head, with that see, from which the rights of sacred communion flow to all, they will grow together into the structure of a single body [48] . Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole church; or that the Roman pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema.
@@inrmds How is this relevant to saying that Jesus not the Pope who is an agent of the devil is The Holy Head of The Church? Pope Francis has consistently CONSISTENTLY spoken blasphemy saying that all religions lead to Christ! We all know He said very specifically I Am The Way and The Truth and The Life see John so for the Pope who says he is a Pope but is not to maintain that Jesus is NOT The Only Way to Heaven is to make Christ a liar and thus The Holy Spirit of God is not in him. I was struggling with s. sin and was spiritually tortured during this comment so pray for me.
Matthew 16:19 Jesus talking to St. Peter "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." So, listen to the Pope.
on mathew 16:18-19 lets see how the early fathers understood this St. Augustine: “See what praises follow this faith. ‘Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build this Church.’ What meaneth, ‘Upon this rock I will build My Church?’ Upon this faith; upon this that has been said, ‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God. Upon this rock,’ saith He, ‘I will build My Church.’ St. John Chrysostom: “And I say unto thee, ‘Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My Church,’ that is, on the faith of his confession. St. Ambrose of Milan: “Faith is the foundation of the Church, for it was not of the person but of the faith of St. Peter that it was said that the gates of hell should not prevail against it; it is the confession of faith that has vanquished hell. Jesus Christ is the Rock. He did not deny the grace of His name when He called him Peter, because he borrowed from the rock the constancy and solidity of his faith. Endeavor then, thyself to be a rock - thy rock is thy faith, and faith is the foundation of the Church. If thou art a rock, thou shalt be in the Church for the Church is built upon the rock… St. Cyprian of Carthage: “Rock is the unity of faith, not the person of Peter. St. Augustine: “Therefore Peter is so-called from the rock; not the rock from Peter; as Christ is not called Christ from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. ‘Therefore,’ he saith, ‘Thou art Peter; and upon this Rock’ which thou hast confessed, upon this Rock which thou hast acknowledged, saying, ‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God, will I build My Church:’ that is upon Myself, the Son of the living God, ‘will I build My Church.’ I will build thee upon Myself, not Myself upon thee. For men who wish to be built upon men, said, ‘I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas,’ (1 Corinthians 1:12) who is Peter. But others who do not wish to be built upon Peter, but upon the Rock, said, ‘But I am of Christ.’ And when the Apostle Paul ascertained that he was chosen, and Christ despised, he said, ‘Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?’ (1 Corinthians 1:13) And, as not in the name of Paul, so neither in the name of Peter; but in the name of Christ: that Peter might be built upon the Rock, not the Rock upon Peter. St. Jerome: “Christ is the Rock Who granted to His apostles that they should be called Rock. God has founded His Church on this Rock, and it is from this Rock that Peter has been named. St. Hilary of Poitiers: “I believe that by the Rock you must understand the unshaken faith of the apostles. St. Cyril of Alexandria: “The word ‘Rock’ has only a denominative value - it signifies nothing but the steadfast and firm faith of the apostles.. Christ is the foundation of all - the unshakable Rock upon which we are all built as a spiritual edifice. St. Augustine: “He had not the primacy over the disciples (in discipulos) but among the disciples (in discipulis). His primacy among the disciples was the same as that of Stephen among the deacons. St. Ambrose: “As soon as Peter heard these words, “Whom say ye that I am?” remembering his place he exercised this primacy, a primacy of confession, not of honour; a primacy of faith, not of rank. St. John Chrysostom: “But observe how Peter does everything with the common consent; nothing imperiously. St. Cyprian of Carthage: “To all the Apostles after His resurrection He gives equal power (parem potestatem) and says, ‘As the Father sent Me so I send you.“For neither did Peter, whom first the Lord chose...when Paul disputed with him afterwards about the circumcision, claim anything to himself insolently, nor arrogantly assume anything, so as to say that he held a primacy, and that he ought to be obeyed by novices and those lately come.“In the administration of the Church each bishop has the free discretion of his own will, having to account only to the Lord for his actions. None of us may set himself up as bishop of bishops, nor compel his brothers to obey him; every bishop of the Church has full liberty and complete power; as he cannot be judged by another, neither can he judge another. “...through the changes of times and successions, the ordering of bishops and the plan of the Church flow onwards; so that the Church is founded upon the bishops, and every act of the Church is controlled by these same rulers. Since this, then, is founded on the divine law, I marvel that some, with daring temerity, have chosen to write to me as if they wrote in the name of the Church…
Neither theology nor theological opinion but we acknowledge her following of the OT Law, coming with the Christ-Child to the Temple in order to fulfill the rite of purification prescribed by the Law of Moses. And we all know very well that Lord did not brake any of His commandments of the Law.
This Priest, talks with a Greek accent, as if he were born in Greece, and English is his second language, but it's the other way around. And he was a Sede vecantist Roman Catholic prior to converting to Greek Orthodoxy.
Sounds like he has a mix of different accidents. He's American but grew up in an Italian family and mostly in the TLM. He became a Greek orthodox priest and monk. Makes senses his accidents would sound like it does.
The main differences between Orthodox Christianity and Roman Catholicism. the main things which keep our religions separate are: Papal Supremacy, Papal Infallibility, The Filioque, Absolute Divine Simplicity, Created Grace Doctrine, natural theology, scholasticism, Original sin, sacred heart doctrine, Immaculate conception, Purgatory, Merits/Indulgences, PSA - Penal Substitutionary Atonement, evolution of Dogma,imaginative prayer, "beatific vision" etc Then the Forced Celibacy of Priests, The use of Unleavened Bread in the Eucharist, The Adoption and change of the Christian calendar, The use of Renaissance statues, Pews, Child Communion, improper non immersion baptism, Cardinals, and differences in liturgical practices (Alter tables, Iconostasis, priest positioning etc) all of those things, we say the Western Church adopted and innovated and became heretical when they adopted these things. And we say that in the early church NONE of these things existed, there is no evidence of these things. No examples of Papal Infallibility, No examples of merits/indulgences, and no examples of unleavened wafer bread, and such. In fact in the west, In Rome. It looked a lot similar to how we Orthodox exist today. Our priests can get married, we use Icons and not statues, we use the old calendar etc Orthodoxy Vs Roman Catholicism: Energy Essence Distinction vs Absolute Divine Simplicity Ancestral Sin vs Original Sin Non Filioque Trinity vs Filioque Trinity Patriarchy vs Papacy Revealed Theology vs Natural Theology Hesychasm Vs Scholasticism Theosis vs Sanctification Married Priest vs Celibate Priests Infant Communion Vs Non Infant Communion Iconography vs Statues Full Immersion Baptism vs Sprinkle Baptism One Baptism vs Confirmation Baptism Leavened Communion Bread vs Unleavened Communion bread Julian Calendar vs Pope Gregory's Calendar We are not the same Religion, we do not have the same faith, and anyone who looks into either religions genuinely will see how different we are.
As a Roman Catholic considering converting to Orthodoxy this video was excellent, addressing all of the concerns and issues that I have. Thank you.
For me, a pre Vat II former Catholic, this all makes sense. When VatII came out, it was as though they said, “Remember all that stuff we taught you? Well, forget it!”
Fortunately for me, I had a teacher in grammar school who taught us about the Orthodox Church. It took me until 2012 to get there, but God led me there!
Glory to God! ☦️
I am a Catholic, discerning Orthodoxy and this was very helpful. Papal supremacy and infallibility are questionable historically but it is the dogmatic approach by Rome which has caused me, personally, to struggle. Not willingly attending Mass just once will consign me to hell, my questioning Original Sin versus Ancestral Sin, my not believing in some Marian dogmas (despite honouring Our Blessed Mother) and not believing in Purgatory with all its punitive terrors, despite no solid Biblical evidence - all will have me damned and have left me feeling very uneasy. Not once, for nearly 70 years, has my deep and abiding faith/trust in Christ ever deserted me. I feel I have almost been in an abusive relationship but have been too scared to leave. When attending Divine Liturgy and speaking with my local Orthodox Priest, I have felt none of this. I continue to read books on the Orthodox faith and attend my local Russian Orthodox Church. Perhaps next year.... God willing.
May God bless you. ❤️☦️
may He guide you ☦️
It is my sincere hope and belief that many faithful Catholics that love Christ and His Church will leave to find the Church they’ve always been looking for and desired to be joined to in the Orthodox Catholic Church.
As a former Catholic come Home 🙏🏻☦️
Truth is setting you free. I grew up Catholic, and similar ways I felt I couldn't question, but just obey "in faith" to be part of that church...I couldn't and eventually went more Protestant around 18/19yrs old for several years before converting to Orthodoxy 4 yrs ago now officially. 70+yrs of not wavering from Christ, that's amazing! I'm 38, and still marching forward in my commitment to to Christ as well. Sounds like you're on the right path, and I'd encourage you to keep speaking to that Orthodox priest, and welcome ❤.
Thank God for your conversion! Thank God for your fidelity to your vocation. Thank God for your ministry.
Pope is love ❤️ go Pope huzzah! 🥳
@@traviswilson36Je crois que tu es enamouré.
Wonderful! Fr. John was a classmate of mine at St. Vladimir’s.
You were the kid who always got picked on
@@traviswilson36 Do you normally talk to strangers like this?
@@TW-fs3fjhe’s a troll, ignore
@@traviswilson36 what’s worse? picking on others as an adult , or being picked on as a child?
HE VISITS MY PARISH!!!! SO BLESSED EVERY TIME WE SEE HIM!!!!!
Thank you for this interview, how blessed we are to have such a priest in the Church!
Ur getting deported
Excellent topic. I always love to listen to Archim. Seraphim speak. Thank you.
Submit to Rome.
@@traviswilson36 lol no
@@PomazeBog1389 Submit or remain without a maiden.
@@PomazeBog1389 Set your pride aside and admit your error.
@@PomazeBog1389 SUBMIT TO ROME
"Now I confidently say that whosoever calls himself, or desires to be called, Universal Priest, is in his elation the precursor of Antichrist, because he proudly puts himself above all others."
- Pope Saint Gregory the Great - defender of Orthodoxy (or as he is known in the Orthodox Church, Saint Gregory the Dialogist; Book VII: Epistle XXXIII)
You misquoted. That is what happens when you do not get baddies and play sports like me
@@traviswilson36Poor trolling attempt
no new testament priests or popes
@@traviswilson36Indeed the part where saint pope Gregory the Great wrote that neither st Peter nor his predecessors claimed to be universal bishops is missing.
Kyrie eleison ☦️
Pope St. Gregory the Great was condemning John IV the Patriarch of Constantinople for being the first to call himself "Ecumenical Patriarch." Pope Gregory wasn't attacking his own position; he was denouncing your Patriarch for attempting to usurp the primacy of the Bishop of Rome. That means your Ecumenical Patriarch is the Anti-Christ!
My family was just received into the Orthodox Christian Church. We were Baptized together, my disabled husband, my 8 year old son and myself into the Romanian Orthodox Christian Church of North America. St. Nicholas is our families Patron Saint.
The Church Father has decided to be our spiritual Father, while his wife is to be my God mother.
Maybe it's because we have no family (only our mothers and one sibling who all live hours away).
This was after 3 years of attending Divine Liturgy at another Orthodox Church with my son on and off, with my husband only coming occasionally due to his back pain/mobility. Very very strict attendance standards.
My good friend goes to both Churches, and kept inviting me to a different Romanian Orthodox Christian Church. I finally went and after 3 weeks the Church Father wanted to Baptize us as a family! I know most of the Divine Liturgy, can recite the Creed, make the Cross.
Anyways.....
After so long i was crying with Joy. I was starting to think i would die without any Sacraments, or a Guardian Angel.
@JustADudeOnTheInternetSoChillHonestly I will be frank with you, theres no one on the internet that can give the perfect advice. My 2 cents is to analyze the root cause(es) why she opposes it and prepare arguments with a priest maybe, otherwise get help from someone offline, a priest, friend, relative, etc.
Also what do you mean she violently opposes it? This implies she threatened or hurt you physically.
If all fail the bite the bullet and divorce her, she has no right to dictate your faith or your children's.
Hi, im romanian so your comment piqued my interest, can you elaborate on the romanian orthodox church there?
God bless you and your family and Congratulations! What a wonderful patron saint to have!
@JustADudeOnTheInternetSoChill Godspeed.
Wow, I couldn’t imagine relying on man THAT much. John 3:16 is all you need as a starting point and you’re saved.
Hi Father S. we met at GOC Assumption in Poc. God bless, and thank you, for your testimony and response.
I really look forward to watching the whole video. I've read a lot about Orthodoxy, and a smattering of some of the early fathers' writings on the role of the Bishop of Rome in the early centuries. I'm a Roman Catholic who is now questioning the idea of "papal supremacy" and Rome's claim of "universal jurisdiction." I find myself aligning more with the Orthodox position. I've attended a Serbian Orthodox Church off and on for the last 4 months. May God direct our steps to the Truth.
You're doing better than I did when I first came to Orthodoxy. It took me about a year after my first visit to an Orthodox church to be ready to go back! It's a big step to switch from one church to another, new things to get used to and breaking out of your comfort zone, but it sounds like you're starting to get more comfortable with it.
Beautifully explained about the guitar string, it was similar to me I knew I was home in the Orthodox Church 🙏🏻☦️
Did you know that Jimi Hendrix was a Catholic? Same with Lynrd Skynrd
@@traviswilson36 woooow now I'll become catholic thanks sweet home alabama
@@kianoghuz1033 Awesome I’ll see you at Mass. Glad I can help.
@@kianoghuz1033 lol
@@oscarestrada6781 Stop laughing. Start repenting.
Thank you for this. Wonderful interviewer and Father. Amazing questions that helps me very much. Especially how you tackle them humbly. Lord have mercy on me.
Gracias Padrecito. Lo desfruté mucho.
8:55 in case you missed it, The Papacy by Abbe Guettée
Pope 🙌 my friend and yours
@@traviswilson36 the poupe
@@kianoghuz1033 No it’s spelt Pope. P O P E
@@traviswilson36 THE P O U P E THE SUPREEEEEEME PONTIFF FRANCIS AND HIS INFALLIBLE INTERPRETER MICHAEL LAWFTON
@@kianoghuz1033 Weak mind weak spirit you are
"The rock is the unity of faith - not the person of Peter" - Saint Cyprian, (doctor of the roman Church) - III century
Which writing of his is that in?
@@KnoxEmDown "On the Unity of the Church"
@@PomazeBog1389 that is not a direct quote from that work
"This is the bond of peace, this is the unity of the body, that we hold fast to the faith of the Church, which is now most firmly established in the Roman See."
Letter to Cornelius (Letter 54)
"For they have no regard for the Church, who have no regard for the Chair of Peter."
Letter to Stephen (Letter 75)
St. Cyprian of Carthage. On the Unity of the Church (De Unitate Ecclesiae), Chapter 4. Original Version (Early Draft)
“The Lord speaks to Peter, saying: 'I say to you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it...' And although He assigns a like power to all the Apostles, yet He founded a single chair, thus establishing by His own authority the source and hallmark of unity. The primacy is given to Peter, and it is thus made clear that there is but one Church and one chair.”
St. Cyprian of Carthage. On the Unity of the Church (De Unitate Ecclesiae), Chapter 4. Revised Version (Later Draft)
“Upon one he builds his Church, and although he gives to all the apostles an equal power, yet he has established one chair, and he has arranged by his authority the origin of unity. The others were indeed that which Peter was; but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair.”
@@kais.1684And then Rome apostatized. So what’s your point?
God bless Archimandrite Seraphim Johns. A wonderful spiritual father and soldier of Christ
Thank you Father Seraphim for your teachings and an excellent explanation. Lord have mercy 🙏❤️🕊️
The main differences between Orthodox Christianity and Roman Catholicism. the main things which keep our religions separate are:
Papal Supremacy, Papal Infallibility, The Filioque, Absolute Divine Simplicity, Created Grace Doctrine, natural theology, scholasticism, Original sin, sacred heart doctrine, Immaculate conception, Purgatory, Merits/Indulgences, evolution of Dogma,imaginative prayer, "beatific vision" etc
Then the Forced Celibacy of Priests, The use of Unleavened Bread in the Eucharist, The Adoption and change of the Christian calendar, The use of Renaissance statues, Pews, Child Communion, improper non immersion baptism, Cardinals, and differences in liturgical practices (Alter tables, Iconostasis, priest positioning etc)
all of those things, we say the Western Church adopted and innovated and became heretical when they adopted these things.
And we say that in the early church NONE of these things existed, there is no evidence of these things.
No examples of Papal Infallibility, No examples of merits/indulgences, and no examples of unleavened wafer bread, and such.
In fact in the west, In Rome. It looked a lot similar to how we Orthodox exist today. Our priests can get married, we use Icons and not statues, we use the old calendar etc
Orthodoxy Vs Roman Catholicism:
Energy Essence Distinction vs Absolute Divine Simplicity
Ancestral Sin vs Original Sin
Non Filioque Trinity vs Filioque Trinity
Patriarchy vs Papacy
Revealed Theology vs Natural Theology
Hesychasm Vs Scholasticism
Theosis vs Sanctification
Married Priest vs Celibate Priests
Infant Communion Vs Non Infant Communion
Iconography vs Statues
Full Immersion Baptism vs Sprinkle Baptism
One Baptism vs Confirmation Baptism
Leavened Communion Bread vs Unleavened Communion bread
Julian Calendar vs Pope Gregory's Calendar
We are not the same Religion, we do not have the same faith, and anyone who looks into either religions genuinely will see how different we are
Can I ask you about the calendar? As far as I know not a lot of Orthodox churches are using the old (Julian) calendar. Only Russian Orthodox, Serbian, Georgian, Armenian. Others are using Gregorian one. Yes, at Pascha you're following the Julian. But after the Holy Trinity festive you go back again to the Gregorian calendar. The Julian calendar celebrates Christmas on the 7th January. 🙏❤️🕊️
“You are Peter, upon this rock I will built my Church”
The rock is christ
Amazing theologian!
“For I consider that I am not at all inferior to the most eminent apostles.”
-the Apostle Paul
II Corinthians 11:5
“I have become a fool in boasting; you have compelled me. For I ought to have been commended by you; for in nothing was I behind the most eminent apostles, though I am nothing. Truly the signs of an apostle were accomplished among you with all perseverance, in signs and wonders and mighty deeds. For what is it in which you were inferior to other churches, except that I myself was not burdensome to you? Forgive me this wrong!”
-the Apostle Paul
II Corinthians 12:11-13
The issue of papal supremacy is so low on the list for me in discerning between the two churches which both claim to be the one true church. So is Mariology, and the fillioque. The fact is, the way these two churches view and practice the faith is radically different, and if you read enough of the fathers and early saints, it’s clear that the Orthodox Church has kept the true faith, and the Roman Catholic Church has not.
I'm a Roman Catholic, and I find it interesting to learn about Eastern Orthodox perspectives on various Catholic doctrines. However, I won't be converting to Orthodoxy anytime soon, as I have several concerns with it.
Thank you for your comment nonetheless.
The main differences between Orthodox Christianity and Roman Catholicism. the main things which keep our religions separate are:
Papal Supremacy, Papal Infallibility, The Filioque, Absolute Divine Simplicity, Created Grace Doctrine, natural theology, scholasticism, Original sin, sacred heart doctrine, Immaculate conception, Purgatory, Merits/Indulgences, evolution of Dogma,imaginative prayer, "beatific vision" etc
Then the Forced Celibacy of Priests, The use of Unleavened Bread in the Eucharist, The Adoption and change of the Christian calendar, The use of Renaissance statues, Pews, Child Communion, improper non immersion baptism, Cardinals, and differences in liturgical practices (Alter tables, Iconostasis, priest positioning etc)
all of those things, we say the Western Church adopted and innovated and became heretical when they adopted these things.
And we say that in the early church NONE of these things existed, there is no evidence of these things.
No examples of Papal Infallibility, No examples of merits/indulgences, and no examples of unleavened wafer bread, and such.
In fact in the west, In Rome. It looked a lot similar to how we Orthodox exist today. Our priests can get married, we use Icons and not statues, we use the old calendar etc
Orthodoxy Vs Roman Catholicism:
Energy Essence Distinction vs Absolute Divine Simplicity
Ancestral Sin vs Original Sin
Non Filioque Trinity vs Filioque Trinity
Patriarchy vs Papacy
Revealed Theology vs Natural Theology
Hesychasm Vs Scholasticism
Theosis vs Sanctification
Married Priest vs Celibate Priests
Infant Communion Vs Non Infant Communion
Iconography vs Statues
Full Immersion Baptism vs Sprinkle Baptism
One Baptism vs Confirmation Baptism
Leavened Communion Bread vs Unleavened Communion bread
Julian Calendar vs Pope Gregory's Calendar
We are not the same Religion, we do not have the same faith, and anyone who looks into either religions genuinely will see how different we are.
Great list, but I’d like to point out that the Western Church has had differences from the Eastern Churches since the earliest days of Christianity. For example, Western Church Fathers were teaching the Filioque as early as the 5th century. Also, priestly celibacy in the Catholic Church is not a dogma but a disciplinary practice. If marriage is allowed for priests, why can't your bishops marry? Why does the Eastern Orthodox Church permit contraception? And why hasn’t the Eastern Orthodox Church held an Ecumenical Council since Nicaea II?
@@anycyclopedia
We Orthodox have had many Pan Orthodox councils after the schism
Because when Rome fell into heresy, the sees of, Antioch, Constantinople, Jerusalem, and Alexandria.
All had Orthodox Patriarchs and remained separate until the crusaders invaded them and established Papal Bishops.
You should ask the question, why were the 7 ecumenical councils that you accept, all done in the Eastern Roman Byzantine Empire? Why not Italy or the west?
Roman Catholicism Started with the Holy Roman Empire Civilization
For us Orthodox, we see Catholics as Catholics see Protestants
A Pentecostal or Mormon can claim to be a Christian but they are not
A Papist can claim that Christ Established the papacy. But this is not the truth
Christ did not bless Peter the ability to have a standing crusader army
It was entirely political, just like HRE was and Catholicism as a whole is
Godbless you.
@@momus2424 Speaking of politics, it's clear the Eastern Orthodox Church was made by politics. Why else would the Ecumenical Patriarch be based in Constantinople, a city founded by Constantine in the 4th century with no apostolic origins? It became a patriarchate due to his influence, and later, Byzantine emperors held councils to elevate its status, even calling it "New Rome." Now, a patriarchate without apostolic roots is considered your Ecumenical Patriarch.
I’ve been on a spiritual journey for 14 years now, and I’ve always been yearning more to go to the Orthodox than Catholic. I became Catholic in 2022, but I am still at odds with the claims of the Papacy having had similar power in the East during the Early Church.
How do you feel about old fart designating a day for pride parade at Vatican.? It is scheduled for Sep 5th, 2025.
music is over, the party is done, hahaha...what a likable man.
Thanks Father.
I became this year oriental orthodox.
I was born in the Catholic church.
Then I became sedisvantist then orthodox.
I've never been much impressed by Rome and their 59 year-old church.
Current doctrine of the Ecumenical Patriarch: “we declare that the Autocephalous Church in Ukraine knows as its head the most holy Apostolic and Patriarchal Ecumenical Throne“ … “the Ecumenical Patriarch, who bears the canonical responsibility of irrevocably passing judgment over matters related to bishops and other clergy in local Churches.”
This is a claim that is made. It doesn’t make it true.
@@bradleyperry1735 Of course, it’s a heretical assertion from the EP that has many similarities to Roman doctrine.
The ecumenical patriarch in absolutely no way has canonical power over the Orthodox church. Not even as a joke. The recognition of a Ukranian church by him was not a canonical type of decision. Not a dogma decision. And his recognition absolutely binds no one else.
The title of "pope" was held by the Patriarch of Alexandria even before the Bishop of Rome. At one historical moment, the Patriarchate of Alexandria was on the 1st place in the diptych of the ancient "pentarchy" (Jerusalem, Roman, Constantinople, Alexandria, Patriarchate of Antioch). Later, the pretensions of the bishops of Rome and Constantinople came (although it was more the intention of the then emperors to make Constantinople the first city in the Byzantine Empire compared to Rome, which was before that) about the championship. In the end, it was concluded that it did not matter who was first (because Christ says that we should not fight to be the main one), but unfortunately the Roman bishop did not understand that and caused a schism.
No the "popes" knew full well what they were doing, they are evil.
Also not byzantine but roman, "byzantine" empire never existed.
Can you repeat the name of the book of the 19 century catholic priest who converted to orthodoxy?
The Papacy by Abbe Guettee
Coming from an Evangelical perspective and currently investigating both Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy, my studies have led to the same conclusion. I don't see the Bishop of Rome having primacy in either the NT documents or in the writings of the early Church Fathers. I'll keep reading and studying. May God guide me down the path.
Here is what the Vatican admitted... perhaps you have read it already.....
19. Over the centuries, a number of appeals were made to the bishop of Rome, also from the East, in disciplinary matters, such as the deposition of a bishop. An attempt was made at the Synod of Sardica (343) to establish rules for such a procedure.(14) Sardica was received at the Council in Trullo (692).(15) The canons of Sardica determined that a bishop who had been condemned could appeal to the bishop of Rome, and that the latter, if he deemed it appropriate, might order a retrial, to be conducted by the bishops in the province neighbouring the bishop’s own. Appeals regarding disciplinary matters were also made to the see of Constantinople,(16) and to other sees. Such appeals to major sees were always treated in a synodical way. Appeals to the bishop of Rome from the East expressed the communion of the Church, but the BISHOP OF ROME DID NOT EXERCISE CANONICAL AUTHORITY OVER THE CHURCHES OF THE EAST. - Synodality And Primacy During The First Millennium, Chieti, 21 September 2016
My whole issue, as I began to read up and learn about the real history of Christianity from professional PHd scholars in the field,is that it turns out was entirely based on Greco-Roman Platonism, paganism, and gnosticism , only settling on officially (inspired) doctrine hundreds of years after the founding, so I have my doubts about the whole thing.
None of that is true. Christianity is EXPLICITLY against all of those things.
@@bradleyperry1735 Yes, now it is, but when deep diving into the origins of Christianity and Judaism you discover a lot… like in genesis, “let (us) make man in (our) own image” and everywhere people say he’s describing the trinity, after the fact, when in reality the ancient israelites worship the god El, and Ashura, and others. Also, there are first hand reports of miracles outside the bible that has greater probability than the bible where it’s all second third hand reports, so are those miracles real too?, no! because if the church fathers didn’t give their ok, it’s not true !
@@cheeseman417they literally constantly kill the people who worship El and ashura in the old testament, they also fought against pagans all the time, in fact people cry about how hard the Jews killed pagans in the old testament constantly
Lol PhD scholars are soooo reliable, remember when they were in charge of handling the virus and lockdowns, remember what great of a job they did ? Also yes there are things in Christianity which are similar to things Plato believed or that some pagans believed, just because they got some things right doesn't mean Christianity copied them, also having debates about doctrine for years is normal, Jews to this day debate official inspired doctrines so do Muslims so do pagans, because when you have billions of people believing something you'll have disagreements between them and the holy spirit settled these matters for us during the ecumenical councils
PHD non-orthodox scholars would interpret it in a rationalistic manner and not in a divine revelatory way.
This was helpful for me and I want to share it with a friend, but I am concerned by the priest’s laughter. I’m afraid my Catholic friend will find it disrespectful. Does anyone have thoughts to offer on this? Thank you.
Maybe direct him to a book. Siecienski, Whelton, or the Epistle to Pope Francis (not a book but a long letter) are three popular options.
Orthodoxy has held fast for millennia. Unfortunately the RCC has not.
Also on the Petros/Petra argument, that always seemed like mental gymnastics. Forgetting that passage even. What language did Jesus mostly speak? Aramaic. And He named St. Peter Cephas (Rock in Aramaic). He names Peter that in the book of John. So whether you believe Peter is being referred to as the Rock or not, Jesus named Him Rock in Aramaic. Any way you look at Peter is the Rock. No other Apostle was repeatedly singled out like Peter was. St. Paul never got the name Paul from Christ. It was his Roman name (he was a Roman citizen), he stopped using Saul after a while (for what should be obvious reasons) and began using his Roman name. Look it up.
I do not know if its okay if to ask for prayer here but I have lost my connection with God but my name is Hector if you guys don't mind praying for me
RCs seem to be only focused on defending the pope from what I've seen. While the pope is not focused on defending the faith. Sad.
Its like an abusive relationship
Hi there, many RC's are saddened by the Pope. The reason why we stay Roman Catholic( I'm aware you see us protestant ; Orthodoxy have great points and I love their humility and wisdom.) But bear with me, the remaining clergy and laity have "sensus fidei"- though a part of the Body is sick, It has a way to recover from heretical clergy( sadly, judging a pontiff proves to be extremely difficult but not impossible.) The Doctors of the Church, in summary, advises that a formal declaration of heresy ought to happen if ever a material heretic is fully exposed. As laity, we submit to the priests and wait or perhaps , repentance from the pontiff. As time passes, RC's go to SSPX; SSPX-MC ; Independent; sedevacantists (and Orthodoxy which is great!) these are reasonable decisions. I'm just a laity and learning but who am I really...
That's my side, Salve Maria may She keep you under Her mantle.
@@San-rx9khbut all those sects are radically different in theology. The church is one, it's Orthodoxy. Please visit an Orthodox church!
@San-rx9kh hi, i appreciate your honestly. I advise to look at some of the lectures Jay Dyer offers about RCs (Vatican 1 & 2) that resolve the hop scotch of jumping from one type to another. In seriousness, the Pope's statements of how every religion can lead you to God is irreconcilable, esp. if salvation lies only when in communion with RC. This, and many other things conflicting between Vatican I & II make it difficult to maintain coherence as a follower of Christ.
What was the book on the Papacy called?
The Papacy by Abbe Guettee
As an Eastern Catholic, I had to discern between Catholic or orthodox. Catholics and Orthodox both know from scripture the Pope, as the successor to St. Peter has a unique position. The question is what would that look like?Thankfully I have a History background. I asked myself, would an Ancient Jewish Apostle have anything similar to First Among Equals? The answer is no. It would’ve been a completely foreign concept to them. Like in the book of Isaiah when Eliakim was given the keys to the kingdom of David, was he just First of Equals? Again no this is a modern invention so that the other bishops don’t have to concede authority, it’s political. And look at the state of the Orthodox Church today, with the constant infighting, like the ongoing schism between Moscow and Constantinople. It’s because they don’t have anyone of authority to unify them. I’m sorry if this seems unfair it’s just goes I see it. And I believe in working towards reuniting. It is a poor witness to Christ to preach unity and not unify the Church He gave us.
St Gregory I, Pope of Rome, Epistle XL, writing to Pope Eulogius, Patriarch of Alexandria... on THREE Petrine sees.!
For he himself [Peter] exalted the See in which he deigned even to rest and end the present life [Rome]. He himself adorned the See to which he sent his disciple as evangelist [Alexandria]. He himself established the See in which, though he was to leave it, he sat for seven years [Antioch]. Since then it is the SEE OF ONE, and ONE SEE, over which by Divine authority THREE BISHOPS NOW PRESIDE, whatever good I hear of you, this I impute to myself.
In other words... Rome can claim 1/3 of the Petrine legacy only. Other 2/3 belong to Eastern Orthodox.
I can now see some RCs coming and writing : 'Please father, read erick ybarra and Michael lofton they know better than you, read pope leos tome and agathos letter they are vatican I'
Sound like Ortho bros simping over Jay Dyer.
@@traviswilson36 Believe it or not, Jay Dyer has helped tons of people getting through RC arguments and becoming orthodox, and orthodoxy statistics show that at least 80% of converts stay orthodox, so he is actually doing a great job, even if he's a meanie or a doofus or not CHARITABLE
@@kianoghuz1033 What a foolish rebuttal. Shame on you for believing that.
@@traviswilson36Sounds like you have no argument shame 😢
@@TrueBluue What? I just destroyed you with clear facts. Take your gnostic teachings elsewhere.
Can someone tell me, what form of Orthodox is this channel about? Is it Eastern? Im a born again Christian, but am now feeling a call towards Orthodox. Please help
Yes, it is Eastern Orthodox.
Eastern Orthodox - not tied to one particular jurisdiction/Patriarchate.
please come and see at your local orthodox church, roots of orthodoxy is an amazing channel for lots of different info, but experiencing the living traditions of the original christian church is the true way to learn about it:) God bless you and guide you on your walk:)
@@jacksonnitti3078 ua-cam.com/video/3AplWYXFiCA/v-deo.html&ab_channel=ancientpathstv
There's only one form of Orthodoxy, the faith shared by churches united in communion with Moscow
I don't understand the curveball about the Aramaic for Cephas. As a proper noun it is masculine. In Hebrew, by the way, the common noun is also masculine (כפים pl.). Interesting that the Aramaic common noun is apparently feminine. However, in the gospel, the context is not common, but proper (a name).
Short answer no the pope is not the vicar of Christ.
I was all in to orthodoxy until I learned of the sporadic view on toll houses
Explain more I don't understand?
That is certainly not a hill worth dying on. The Orthodox, more than any other, preserve the historic Christian faith and practice.
Follow Christ and take comfort in knowing the Lord wants you to be saved more than you do. We don’t go to hell on technicalities. Peace! ❤️☦️
The difference in scale here is kinda perplexing, if you compare the papacy to toll houses…
Toll houses are allegorical and you are not required to believe in them because death, is a mystery. Whereas in the Catholic Church, Purgatory is a dogma and if you don't believe in it, it is a mortal sin that will condemn you to hell, despite no solid Biblical evidence.
It depends how you define: pope, vicar, Christ. And then it comes down semantics and propositional arguments. And then it’s a million miles from God. And then you say, who cares, say your prayers and go to bed.
The way I see it is the Catholic Church gives the Pope too much authority while the Orthodox do not go far enough in acknowledging his primacy. The Pope has two roles, one as the Bishop of Rome and the other as the supreme pontiff. The first one pertains to jurisdiction, so he has full authority over the Latin church but not over the other local churches, who have full autonomy. But as supreme pontiff and holding the Petrine office, he guides the church in high level matters and serves as a unifying authority. There is evidence in the first millenium for the latter but not for the papal dogmas defined in Vatican I.
Evidence, but not dogmatic evidence, and it's null and void when the pope schisms. Tons of Orthodox hold to a strong primacy view. The church of Christ doesn't need to "go" anywhere now that Rome has abdicated the faith.
Short answer: No
Long answer: Nooooooooo
I just don't see how the hierarchy of heaven wouldn't be reflected on Earth. A Pope of the Catholic Church makes more sense than 27 popes.
Why can't you see it? Just look at the first 1000 years of Christianity. And how the Orthodox Church has maintained the apostolic deposit.
@@DCWoodWorking in the first thousand years the church was one-ish
@@LoafingMushroomyes exactly and without a super bishop that was the head of the church and confirming all bishops. This has been admitted by the Roman Church in the chieti and Alexandria documents.
@@DCWoodWorkingAny Bishop can ordain another Bishop. It's just against the rules, but still valid.
@@LoafingMushroomIt still is. The Church always has been and always will be one. Christ is not divided, and cannot be divided.
Luther and the boys 😂
Yes. 07
The pope was the reason I went to Orthodoxy over Catholicism to begin with. There's been way too many awful takes by popes for me to ever consider him infallible, especially now that the current one has tried to bless same sex couples and even just flat out said that every religion leads to God. Fortunately with how much Orthodoxy is growing it seems like plenty of other people had a similar experience. With how many Roman Catholics I've seen talk about what a disgrace the current pope is (yet remain RC for... some reason) I'm sure there will be plenty more in the future.
Council of Carthage, ratified by Quinisext and Seventh Ecumenical Councils
That infants are baptized for the remission of sins. (Canon 2 of 418 Synod)
Likewise it seemed good that whosoever denies that infants newly from their mother’s wombs should be baptized, or says that baptism is for remission of sins, but that they derive from Adam no original sin, which needs to be removed by the laver of regeneration, from whence the conclusion follows, that in them the form of baptism for the remission of sins, is to be understood as false and not true, let him be anathema. For no otherwise can be understood what the Apostle says, “By one man sin is come into the world, and death through sin, and so death passed upon all men in that all have sinned,” than the Catholic Church everywhere diffused has always understood it. For on account of this rule of faith even infants, who could have committed as yet no sin themselves, therefore are truly baptized for the remission of sins, in order that what in them is the result of generation may be cleansed by regeneration.
I still remember Scott Hahn having to deny that Jesus Christ is the head of the church to remain Roman Catholic😢
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Say that to my face homie
Catholic Church pwned you and your feelings
@@traviswilson36 I’m so confused. You know English, but can’t make sensible phrases. But you know “pwned” that people said a couple decades ago so you can’t be a young child. Anything I can do to help?
@@bobjenkins3rd Your profile pic reminds me of the orthodox when they realize how wrong they are.
@@traviswilson36 I fixed it for ya 😖
Great, you are loyal to Orthodoxy or Roman Catholicism but, the point is not being loyal to orthodoxy and or the Pope, the point is being loyal to Christ. I’m Roman Catholic and I say this because it seems that both Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians are forgetting this and frankly well slandering one another in internet, something that Christ COMMANDED US NOT TO.
The main differences between Orthodox Christianity and Roman Catholicism. the main things which keep our religions separate are:
Papal Supremacy, Papal Infallibility, The Filioque, Absolute Divine Simplicity, Created Grace Doctrine, natural theology, scholasticism, Original sin, sacred heart doctrine, Immaculate conception, Purgatory, Merits/Indulgences, evolution of Dogma,imaginative prayer, "beatific vision" etc
Then the Forced Celibacy of Priests, The use of Unleavened Bread in the Eucharist, The Adoption and change of the Christian calendar, The use of Renaissance statues, Pews, Child Communion, improper non immersion baptism, Cardinals, and differences in liturgical practices (Alter tables, Iconostasis, priest positioning etc)
all of those things, we say the Western Church adopted and innovated and became heretical when they adopted these things.
And we say that in the early church NONE of these things existed, there is no evidence of these things.
No examples of Papal Infallibility, No examples of merits/indulgences, and no examples of unleavened wafer bread, and such.
In fact in the west, In Rome. It looked a lot similar to how we Orthodox exist today. Our priests can get married, we use Icons and not statues, we use the old calendar etc
Orthodoxy Vs Roman Catholicism:
Energy Essence Distinction vs Absolute Divine Simplicity
Ancestral Sin vs Original Sin
Non Filioque Trinity vs Filioque Trinity
Patriarchy vs Papacy
Revealed Theology vs Natural Theology
Hesychasm Vs Scholasticism
Theosis vs Sanctification
Married Priest vs Celibate Priests
Infant Communion Vs Non Infant Communion
Iconography vs Statues
Full Immersion Baptism vs Sprinkle Baptism
One Baptism vs Confirmation Baptism
Leavened Communion Bread vs Unleavened Communion bread
Julian Calendar vs Pope Gregory's Calendar
We are not the same Religion, we do not have the same faith, and anyone who looks into either religions genuinely will see how different we are.
Loyalty to Christ means loyalty to the church, which is His body. Why are you in a false sect that isn't part of His body if you're loyal to Christ? We all stumble, please visit an Orthodox church!
@@XiHamORTHOCN The only Orthodox Churches here where I live are like two hours away, and I can’t go walking or on a car, so that will have to wait, although I do like Orthodoxy.
@@Danfigueroamateo3870 you can contact the priests of those churches today for guidance. Christ is the way, and the Orthodox church is His church, so it's worth two hours! It's the same distance for me now, but it's the best part of my life. Don't worry about making it weekly at this stage of your life, try for monthly or so. And talk all of this through with the priests! There are faithful Orthodox in Siberia, in China, everywhere. ☦️🙏
@@XiHamORTHOCN The Lords will be done, I hope in the Lord my God and Yours that one day I will be able to visit this church.
The biggest problem with the Romans is that they deny Theosis. I've seen Romans and Orthodox dance around this issue. Papal Primacy is much less of an issue.
False. The biggest probably with us Romans is we don’t t yeet you all back to Romania.
That’s not true. Catholics are S tier and Orthodox are F tier
@@traviswilson36 lol
@@kianoghuz1033 I ain’t wrong though.
Can’t they both be right? Theosis is possible in the Orthodox Church and not the RCC?
No. Nope. Never.
Great rebuttal 👏
@@inrmds Short and concise. Unrepented Latin heretics do not deserve more time to be spent on them.
The Pope is not the symbol of The Catholic Christian Church The Lord Jesus instituted the role of the Pope starting with St. Peter to be an organizer and a human leader of The Church but He is The Holy Spirit of God Symbol of The Church not the Pope Jesus Christ has and always will be The Pope and Leader of The Church. Our Catholic Church today sees the Pope as the symbol of God and the heretic Pope Francis sadly like more than one of the Popes before him falls into Satan's deception that the issues of the world must be deemed necessary to be involved as much as the priorities of Jesus Christ. The Lord Jesus stated that God and the world do not walk hand and hand and it's the reason why the devil Lucifer the Hamas spirit has put his tail in the door and has walked in invited.
(Become Orthodox) Roman teaching is is this are you going against your church now? in vatican it states 1 That which our lord Jesus Christ, the prince of shepherds and great shepherd of the sheep, established in the blessed apostle Peter, for the continual salvation and permanent benefit of the church, must of necessity remain for ever, by Christ’s authority, in the church which, founded as it is upon a rock, will stand firm until the end of time [45] .
For no one can be in doubt, indeed it was known in every age that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, the pillar of faith and the foundation of the catholic church, received the keys of the kingdom from our lord Jesus Christ, the saviour and redeemer of the human race, and that to this day and for ever he lives and presides and exercises judgment in his successors the bishops of the holy Roman see, which he founded and consecrated with his blood [46] .
Therefore whoever succeeds to the chair of Peter obtains by the institution of Christ himself, the primacy of Peter over the whole church. So what the truth has ordained stands firm, and blessed Peter perseveres in the rock-like strength he was granted, and does not abandon that guidance of the church which he once received [47] .
For this reason it has always been necessary for every church-that is to say the faithful throughout the world-to be in agreement with the Roman church because of its more effective leadership. In consequence of being joined, as members to head, with that see, from which the rights of sacred communion flow to all, they will grow together into the structure of a single body [48] .
Therefore,
if anyone says that
it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole church; or that
the Roman pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy:
let him be anathema.
@@inrmds How is this relevant to saying that Jesus not the Pope who is an agent of the devil is The Holy Head of The Church? Pope Francis has consistently CONSISTENTLY spoken blasphemy saying that all religions lead to Christ! We all know He said very specifically I Am The Way and The Truth and The Life see John so for the Pope who says he is a Pope but is not to maintain that Jesus is NOT The Only Way to Heaven is to make Christ a liar and thus The Holy Spirit of God is not in him. I was struggling with s. sin and was spiritually tortured during this comment so pray for me.
Matthew 16:19 Jesus talking to St. Peter "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." So, listen to the Pope.
He gave it to all of Jesus Christ disciples. Powers to loosen and bind. Patriarch was supposed to be equal, with Pope, first amongst equals.
@@mik569 It sounds like sour grapes because they didn't get their way. Nu uh it was a consensus. we didn't consensus.
on mathew 16:18-19 lets see how the early fathers understood this
St. Augustine:
“See what praises follow this faith. ‘Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will
build this Church.’ What meaneth, ‘Upon this rock I will build My Church?’
Upon this faith; upon this that has been said, ‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of
the Living God. Upon this rock,’ saith He, ‘I will build My Church.’
St. John Chrysostom:
“And I say unto thee, ‘Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My
Church,’ that is, on the faith of his confession.
St. Ambrose of Milan:
“Faith is the foundation of the Church, for it was not of the person but of the
faith of St. Peter that it was said that the gates of hell should not prevail
against it; it is the confession of faith that has vanquished hell. Jesus Christ is
the Rock. He did not deny the grace of His name when He called him Peter,
because he borrowed from the rock the constancy and solidity of his faith.
Endeavor then, thyself to be a rock - thy rock is thy faith, and faith is the
foundation of the Church. If thou art a rock, thou shalt be in the Church for
the Church is built upon the rock…
St. Cyprian of Carthage:
“Rock is the unity of faith, not the person of Peter.
St. Augustine:
“Therefore Peter is so-called from the rock; not the rock from Peter; as Christ
is not called Christ from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ.
‘Therefore,’ he saith, ‘Thou art Peter; and upon this Rock’ which thou hast
confessed, upon this Rock which thou hast acknowledged, saying, ‘Thou art
the Christ, the Son of the living God, will I build My Church:’ that is upon
Myself, the Son of the living God, ‘will I build My Church.’ I will build thee
upon Myself, not Myself upon thee. For men who wish to be built upon men,
said, ‘I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas,’ (1 Corinthians 1:12)
who is Peter. But others who do not wish to be built upon Peter, but upon the
Rock, said, ‘But I am of Christ.’ And when the Apostle Paul ascertained that
he was chosen, and Christ despised, he said, ‘Is Christ divided? Was Paul
crucified for you? Or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?’ (1 Corinthians
1:13) And, as not in the name of Paul, so neither in the name of Peter; but in
the name of Christ: that Peter might be built upon the Rock, not the Rock
upon Peter.
St. Jerome:
“Christ is the Rock Who granted to His apostles that they should be called
Rock. God has founded His Church on this Rock, and it is from this Rock
that Peter has been named.
St. Hilary of Poitiers:
“I believe that by the Rock you must understand the unshaken faith of the
apostles.
St. Cyril of Alexandria:
“The word ‘Rock’ has only a denominative value - it signifies nothing but the
steadfast and firm faith of the apostles.. Christ is the foundation of
all - the unshakable Rock upon which we are all built as a spiritual edifice.
St. Augustine:
“He had not the primacy over the disciples (in discipulos) but among the
disciples (in discipulis). His primacy among the disciples was the same as
that of Stephen among the deacons.
St. Ambrose:
“As soon as Peter heard these words, “Whom say ye that I am?”
remembering his place he exercised this primacy, a primacy of confession,
not of honour; a primacy of faith, not of rank.
St. John Chrysostom:
“But observe how Peter does everything with the common consent; nothing
imperiously.
St. Cyprian of Carthage:
“To all the Apostles after His resurrection He gives equal power (parem
potestatem) and says, ‘As the Father sent Me so I send you.“For neither did Peter, whom first the Lord chose...when Paul disputed with
him afterwards about the circumcision, claim anything to himself insolently,
nor arrogantly assume anything, so as to say that he held a primacy, and that
he ought to be obeyed by novices and those lately come.“In the administration of the Church each bishop has the free discretion of his
own will, having to account only to the Lord for his actions. None of us may
set himself up as bishop of bishops, nor compel his brothers to obey him;
every bishop of the Church has full liberty and complete power; as he cannot
be judged by another, neither can he judge another. “...through the
changes of times and successions, the ordering of bishops and the plan of the
Church flow onwards; so that the Church is founded upon the bishops, and
every act of the Church is controlled by these same rulers. Since this, then, is
founded on the divine law, I marvel that some, with daring temerity, have
chosen to write to me as if they wrote in the name of the Church…
If this fella likes the Roman's and the Filioque so much then he should just go join them 😂
I give you wedgie
The pope is your favorite theologians favorite theologian
Bro what is your profile pic
@@traviswilson36 I don't have a favorite
Puré de papa 🥔
There does exist, in the so called East, Theology and the Theologoumenon of the Pre Purification Of Our Panagia.
Neither theology nor theological opinion but we acknowledge her following of the OT Law, coming with the Christ-Child to the Temple in order to fulfill the rite of purification prescribed by the Law of Moses. And we all know very well that Lord did not brake any of His commandments of the Law.
This Priest, talks with a Greek accent, as if he were born in Greece, and English is his second language, but it's the other way around.
And he was a Sede vecantist Roman Catholic prior to converting to Greek Orthodoxy.
So? Maybe he identifies with the Greek phronema?
He is Greek and Italian 🙏
Sounds like he has a mix of different accidents. He's American but grew up in an Italian family and mostly in the TLM. He became a Greek orthodox priest and monk. Makes senses his accidents would sound like it does.
The main differences between Orthodox Christianity and Roman Catholicism. the main things which keep our religions separate are:
Papal Supremacy, Papal Infallibility, The Filioque, Absolute Divine Simplicity, Created Grace Doctrine, natural theology, scholasticism, Original sin, sacred heart doctrine, Immaculate conception, Purgatory, Merits/Indulgences, PSA - Penal Substitutionary Atonement, evolution of Dogma,imaginative prayer, "beatific vision" etc
Then the Forced Celibacy of Priests, The use of Unleavened Bread in the Eucharist, The Adoption and change of the Christian calendar, The use of Renaissance statues, Pews, Child Communion, improper non immersion baptism, Cardinals, and differences in liturgical practices (Alter tables, Iconostasis, priest positioning etc)
all of those things, we say the Western Church adopted and innovated and became heretical when they adopted these things.
And we say that in the early church NONE of these things existed, there is no evidence of these things.
No examples of Papal Infallibility, No examples of merits/indulgences, and no examples of unleavened wafer bread, and such.
In fact in the west, In Rome. It looked a lot similar to how we Orthodox exist today. Our priests can get married, we use Icons and not statues, we use the old calendar etc
Orthodoxy Vs Roman Catholicism:
Energy Essence Distinction vs Absolute Divine Simplicity
Ancestral Sin vs Original Sin
Non Filioque Trinity vs Filioque Trinity
Patriarchy vs Papacy
Revealed Theology vs Natural Theology
Hesychasm Vs Scholasticism
Theosis vs Sanctification
Married Priest vs Celibate Priests
Infant Communion Vs Non Infant Communion
Iconography vs Statues
Full Immersion Baptism vs Sprinkle Baptism
One Baptism vs Confirmation Baptism
Leavened Communion Bread vs Unleavened Communion bread
Julian Calendar vs Pope Gregory's Calendar
We are not the same Religion, we do not have the same faith, and anyone who looks into either religions genuinely will see how different we are.