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Your comments about corporate America are spot on. I wish businesses could hear what you said. I said the exact same thing 20 years ago. Businesses will wake up someday. MAYBE. Greed controls everything, and not to be an ass but, it is the same for you and me. You will never reduce your hourly price to $85.00 per hour. And Walmart will never start hiring cashiers again to help customers. It's all about the money or as you said, GREED!!!! No one has ever said, DAMN I make TOO much money.
The irony of it is Ray as a small business owner is a corporation, so he is "The man" too.
Same happing in the UK as well.
..." DAMN , i make TOO much money..." at least not out- loud enough to be heard...
what you said..,what Ray said..
Spot on. It is why I have coined the term corporate clowns.
In the 80s I worked for a major retailor that sold electronics. They had 100 stores and annual sales of about one billion dollars. This started with one store and the philosophy of the owners was "take care of people and the money will follow." It was the best place I ever worked. Well paid and treated with courtesy and respect by management and fellow workers. Well the original owners retired and one of their sons took over running the business. All he cared about was the bottom line. People did not matter. The employees nick named him "cash register eyes". Someone drew dollar signs over his eyes on a picture of him that got passed around. In a matter of a few years he completely destroyed the entire company. Bankrupt, stock worthless, thousands of jobs gone. That is what happens when you try to herd people and treat them like livestock.
Let's see,that would be Circuit City,Freys,The Wiz, Service Electronics,Crazy Eddies,or any of 20 or more electronic stores now gone or folding -But it's the same with most car
dealers too..ask me how I know
No need to apologize for your rant about corporate greed. Our Government's are doing the same thing. Especially here in Canada.
I don’t normally comment about such things, but the odds of one of my upper management seeing this are slim.
Our company had about 75 locations 10 years ago and we were privately owned. The owner died and it was passed to a business partner. That partner is a great guy, but was basically duped into a merger that has done irreparable damage to our company. The merger more than doubled our locations, was bought by private equity, sold and bought by another private equity. It was stripped and rebuilt and bought by a public company. Turns out, the other company we merged with was on the brink of their third bankruptcy in 20 years. For some reason, we adopted THEIR practices instead of using ours, which was very profitable. The new corporation is a shell of its former self. 80% of our employees have been hired in the past 5 years. Turnover is climbing, profits are falling. We all like and admire our new CEO…he was one of us who worked his way up from the bottom, but he’s just kind of a puppet for the public company. Someone in upper management is always coming up with a new scheme to increase profits and cut costs. We just closed 8-10 branches and cut 150 jobs to save money. Yeah, that’ll help. Cut back on customer service jobs. They probably hired 10 executives to figure that out. All of the fallout ends up with people like me. The direct management who actually deals with our clientele directly. I used to average an 18-20% margin after expenses. Last month, I was at 8%. I was one of only a dozen branches that operated in the black. Yup, corporate America. It’s working great.
@@stevewhiting556 Well the company I worked for hired some bean counters from GE. Those incompetent people went out and closed a local service department one day and it got reported in the largest local paper's business section how they kicked out people that were there for 10-20 years. That had an effect on that businesses reputation that they could not recover from. So much for the "expert business executives from GE". They walked around bragging about their expensive boats. What a waste.
@@Leon-qc7fe GE folks bring 6-Sigma philosophy from Jack Walsh with them. Good at first for the "Low hanging fruit", but then they gut the core value of the company to increase mirgins and their bonuses. Ultimately it destroys the business. Ask me how I know.
Meanwhile back in 4000BC : Grok comes out with his own T-shirt "Every thing is Club"
I'm a fan of the "Is Potato" shirt, too.
You're absolutely right, Ray. When Corporate greed and negligence lead to failure, they won't take responsibility; instead, they'll swiftly blame someone who isn't even involved in their mistakes.
That's way they have middle management 😮😮
It's never the corporate owners it's the people that work for them it's their fault they are not keeping up with their responsibilities and causes us to loose money But it is corporate that is the one who isn't doing their jobs
LOL🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣@@Taillighttim26
@@Taillighttim26 CEO's are a joke !!!
That's what happened with Boeing.
The mechanics in the rust belt are jealous watching Ray do a rust free brake job.
I believe they really soak you for that job in the rust belt as well because of it. Back in the 80's I had to pay $300 for a brake job in NYC. I could have done it for less but I didn't have the space to work on it to do it myself. I Would have had to do it on the street with traffic and eyes in the back of my head trying to watch out for getting mugged while working on it. Today that same job is probably around $900 or more due to inflation.
Yes...very jealous...not having to use a punch to hammer out the cross pins!!
NYC
And having the old hardware not rusted to pieces so that it CAN be reused when the new hardware doesn't fit? Yea, up here in Wisconsin I'd probably be SOL if the new hardware didn't fit.
It's also annoying, at times. So lazy on detail, down south.
Kudos to the owner!
1 Monitoring the pads.
2 Knowing when he needed expertise.
3 Very conscientious maintenance.
4 Of course cheerful Ray to the rescue!
At 71, I can learn from Ray. Thank you! Your narration is your trademark. 👍👍👍
Nah, he bought substandard parts. I guess if he's happy with that then fine.
Nah, he bought substandard parts intending to do it himself and then when he failed, dumped the job on Ray. No kudos.
Kudos to a person who cheaps out on vital maintenance parts?
Ray having short patience is called Getting SH....T done 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you're above normal bro.
glass - Ray is a natural born teacher, coach, instructor. Patient, articulate, funny ... able to work, think and talk simultaneously ...
I don't seem to be able to get to extreme patience mode, without blowing off a bit of steam first !
It's a torque stick! I am old enough to remember passing a list to the shop staff and they went to get it while I waited. That's proper service! Have a good day Ray.
Could it also be called a torque limiter, used with an impact gun?
Lol. I was gonna say looks like a 115 pound tourque stick in 22mm
On the subject of self checkout, I never use them mainly because it’s doing someone out of a job.
And Walmart has maliciously used it to track accidental (and intentional) thefts of one or so items not being rung up and then charging people with grand theft after they tally up enough thefts. You won't ever have this abuse going to a cashier
@@legionofanonAbuse? You mean consequences for your actions right? Are you saying you steal lol
I never use self checkout, so i can't be accused of theft there
@@legionofanon ok, just saying what your saying doesn't make sense. You want people to be able to steal or hate how the camera can catch people that steal?
An abusive relationship is an abusive relationship no matter how you spin it. If they didn't want checkout thefts they should never have fabricated the situation where someone can, intentional or not, not scan an item at a register. Walking out the door without going through checkout is defiantly theft.
Flat-Rate Book Time is your money, but "Reality Time" is your loss of that money. Over the years every additional nickel of any extra pay has been removed from the rate book. I used to say, "rare as hen's teeth", but today it's "rare as an honest tech". You Ray are one of the Honest Tech and Business owners. You set a great example for others!
I absolutely agree with your rant. I refuse to use self checkout and when they TRY to urge me to do it, I tell them no, I am saving YOUR JOB by not doing it myself. Because if we all do it, they will not be needed.
I don't do Walmart, but when the grocery store asks me if I want to use self-checkout, I tell them if the give me a 10% discount I will.
Your time has value. I'd rather use self-checkout for my 4-5 items instead of waiting 30 minutes for a cashier.
The ringers in the shop are for the cs agents. They are the go between for customer to mechanic. Thats the one thing i will say is stupidly annoying but also does serve a purpose.
Thanks! I'd much rather use self-checkout lanes so that I don't have to stand behind people whining that they only have 2 or 3 lanes open. The argument that one if working for free, or saying they should get a discount, at the checkout is goofy, but hey, to each their own.
For the people saying they don't want to wait for a cashier: if people would stop using self checkout they would open those 22 lanes in Walmart again.. trained cashiers move items a heck of a lot faster than you do.. I've watched you all use self checkout and the average person is standing there for 8 minutes scanning.. you're playing yourselves and not even being paid for it
Ray would make an excellent instructor at a local vocational school. His attention to detail, figuring out how to get difficult tasks done, and striving to do a quality job would be great things for any aspiring mechanic to experience.
...not putting stuck parts back in...
Do you remember when self serve gas started, there was a discount for self serve.
I worked for probably the last full service station on the planet. We probably saved thousands of cars from destruction with oil checks, coolant checks, tire checks, strange noise checks. People just drive their cars without ever checking things. Check everything at every fill up.
They used to check tires & oil
Still is a discount. There's a station near me that still has a few full service pumps and the price is higher than the self service pumps. Just like 30-40 years ago when is was common to have both options at a station.
I remember checking customer's oil in the 1970's. When it was low we would hand them a quart and then act surprised that they wanted it "installed"
@@caymanchristopher7014 Not the planet. Here in Africa (the continent), every service station, in I think ALL countries, are still full service. But they call it job creation, with all the unemployment that's happening.
Thanks Ray. I have done my own brakes over the years. I learned two things from you watching this video. Leaving the caliper slightly loose until all the pads and pins are in is excellent advice. That's one thing. The other was that calipers with 4 pistons are two halves bolted together and if you loosen the wrong bolts the two halves of the caliper will come apart and spill brake fluid all over the place. I did not know that. Thanks for being a conscientious repair technician. Long time subscriber and I'm still learning. Never stop learning.
Has anyone else had brake fluid spill out the top when compressing the pistons ? Was refilled to "full" by dealership when doing fluid exchange. Forgot to account for brakes needing to be replaced soon.
And if you do split the one piece caliper, you will have to replace the O-rings between the two halls. I learned that the hard way on a 1961 Austin-Healy.
@@patrickpattberg8551 I learned the hard way, to take a turkey baster (or similar) and remove some fluid from the master cylinder reservoir before compression to make room for the displaced fluid. There was much brake clean sacrificed for my ignorance... 😂
@@patrickpattberg8551 You don't ever "refill" or "top off" brake fluid.. whoever did that is an idiot
I think this is a better brake system looking how evenly the old pads wore !!!
Hey Ray! You are not ranting. You are telling the truth. Keep it up my guy 👍👍👍
GM WCT here. After wrestling with a 10L1000 rebuild in a 2023 LM2 Silverado this week, I find it extremely relaxing watching Ray knock out some gravy. Thanks Ray! Love your videos. Screw flat rate.
Why? Isn't it a mixed blessing where from the customers side the price is guaranteed regardless of complications even though on many/most jobs the hours required are too generous.
I totally agree with your assessment of corporate ideas
I spent 20+ years working on the railroad. Patience is part of my DNA now.
I worked for Wal-Mart about 15 years ago right before Sam Walton passed and he's rolling around in his grave with the business practices used today. He always said his shoppers and customers (employees) were number 1.
Sam always wanted to keep American Companies going--Made in America was his Motto, not so for his Heirs, Money before Quality...
Yes! They’ve dishonored his dream.
As soon as he passed, everything in the store went to pure Chinesium garbage; never buy anything electronic from there. I had 3 TV's crap out within a year of use, one didn't last 3 months
It's weird, they still start every meeting with the chant "who's #1? THE CUSTOMERS". Odd place.
I don't hardly ever go to fast food places anymore !!!
Torque limiting sticks. I still have mine from when I worked as a tech II for Sears Auto Center in Jensen Beach. Always used a torque wrench afterwards.
I believe the orange tool you used is called a torque limiting stick.
I concur, simply !torque stick".
De acuerdo.
Yes, but they don't work correctly with electric impact tools.
Torque Test Channel did a test a while back.
They also wear out and can cause you to over torque the lug nuts.
They only work correctly with a single hammer air impact (not double hammer), or electric impacts.
I have used OEM or other high quality parts for my cars for the past 50 years. It never pays to use knock-offs ever! Great video Ray!
I agree, Sourcing parts is almost an art form today. Once you are forced into the aftermarket, names don't always connote quality or consistency. Even the most respected and experienced shops have to waste time sending parts back because of outright failure, fitment, or application issues. And when the auto is taking up a bay it's all money just burning up. I have built up solid relationship with my independent shop where once the preventative diagnostics are complete I source all the parts right down to the screws and clamps so when they get any number of the vehicles they are good to go. I will never argue about labor rates. I am happy to pay for skills. But it is a waste of time to have a mechanic chasing something down for 15+ year old vehicles.
You just gotta do what you need to do... Whatever floats your boat. Ray should just do Ray !
You Sir. Have way more patience than most of us watching you work.
Single handedly keeping brake clean company’s in business for the foreseeable future.
Lol Imagine using something for what it's designed for...
Actually it's called "brake clean" not break clean.
@@jeffwilliams2031 yeah it was early and I was barely awake. Thanks for pointing it out though.
@@SmallKittyPaw yes he is using correctly, point is he uses A LOT of it.
To each their own. He can use as much as he likes it’s his money.
I watch Rainman Ray and Dave's auto repair in Utah whenever they have a video come out, they both have great repair abilities and great lessons on life!!!!
I agree 100% with you about Wal-mart . My wife worked for them for 17 years now retired Thank God still not a fan and never was, Great video Ray.👍👍👍👍
Today's monologue is definitely on point Ray!
The first time I ever seen a 4 piston brake caliper was on my 1972 Plymouth Scamp . Took three trips to the parts store just to get pads 1980's time , spent about 4 hrs in applied science section in the library reading Chilton's manuals to fix them .
Please don’t consider this a ree. Because your ability to educate me has inspired me to think, ie slide pins. You always give old slide pins the “wipe, and removal of of old grease, then application of new silicone paste, I believe a wire wheel on old pins may do the trick. They were awfully dirty and may be the culprit. Thanks for your education to all and inspiration to do the right thing on brakes. The most important safety feature on a vehicle. Maybe in life . And thanks always for the humor and for being our friend.
They are not “slide pins” buddy . They are pad retaining pins. They don’t move the same with the calliper on these type of brakes. Yea, he could have cleaned the old retaining pins up, but it’s not really something to bother with.
Can't scare me away that easy... I think along the same lines. Thanks for the video, Ray!
Ray, as a dog person, I want to say you have a great shop dog.
When you do things the HARD WAY😮 YOU FEEL MUCH BETTER WHEN IT COMES TOGETHER IN THE END, 😅 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, MORNING RAY!!
I need to move there! Haven't had a dry day in my corner of the UK for months now!
Hollands also..
Dry? It's still two feet of snow.
You want to come to my corner of the world, we have had about 5 to 7 days of rain in the last 4 to 5 months otherwise almost full sunshine all day everyday, the one downside is it does get a bit warm.
What corner are you in. We’ve been fairly dry for a few weeks. North Scotland.
But they get all their wet back in 20" increments called hurricanes and 100% humidity.
I personally love your comment about corporate America , they think they have the public in their pockets but I believe it is the other way around
Rotors look like they are made for parking brakes. Another good job Ray! Your rant on corporation america is 100% correct!
And also since we live in the rust belt, once I clean the rotor mounting spindle, I apply antiseize compound between the rotors and spindle. Saves time and labor having to beat the rotors off the vehicle.
Ya learn something new every day! Owned a lot of Yotas. Never seen that before. Glad I watched this one!
My wife used to hate to hear that stupid phone ring you used to work. When you got into your rant and mentioned the ringer I was laughing. But you are spot on with the same gripes we all have. Great show.
I agree the world is changing all are so self centered and don't care about quality just give them the money. Great job you and wife unit are a great team. You remind me when I was a mechanic many moons ago real world the way its done. Keep up the great work.
I would have done the same thing u did with reusing the hardware. Only thing I would have done is cleaned the pens a little so the siding of the pen would be like new . Great work as always . Really dig watching ur channel
Great explanation on burnishing the pads & rotors . . .
This style of brakes were my favorite design. My old mid-80s era offroad only CJ2 custom Jeep (on a real USMC chassis) had exclusively a Toyota front suspension. It utilized the same opposing piston fixed caliper brake style (albeit only 2 pistons) per side. I’m glad Toyota brought it back/ retained it on some newer models.
Our country is in deep trouble, agreed. Glad you are feeling better Ray!!
Our country is in deep trouble because of people’s allegiance to a con man called trump. Putin’s lap dog.
It's a torque stick. Used them all the time when i worked at a tire shop. Except on the semi trucks of course, since there is no such thing for them.
It’s a torque stick so you don’t over tighten the lug nuts I believe
On my 2016 4Runner, I went through the front factory pads and rotors in about 42K miles. Some long downhill mountain driving warped one of the rotors. Searched for some really good heavy duty pads and rotors, found and self-installed some Centric semi-metallic pads and solid (non-drilled) rotors. Improved the brake performance and no more warping. Sometimes there are better-than-OEM parts.
Ray, you're just a regular good dude. Anybody who thinks they need to worry about your patients needs to go see a psychiatrist. This is not a self-help channel. You're a mechanic, keep up the good work
Ray is not a Doctor, the only patients he has are the vehicles he works on.
@@johnt.848 That's pretty funny because I do the speak to text and I didn't look at it I'm an old guy sorry about that
I was taught to use the old pad to apply pressure to collapse the piston back inside. This gives you a surface to pry against without damaging parts you are keeping. Hope it helps.
One of my reasons for doing things the hard way from time to time is knowing
that I may HAVE to do something the hard way. Always choosing the easiest path
will not form the patience required for those 'hard' times.
So keep doing what you do, the way you do them. You seem to have a great balance in your method( outside looking in, of course )
I have talked to my friends about the importance of buying real Brand products when it comes to breaks and not a cheap Chinesium products. Don't be cheap when it comes to Your breaks and ability to stop the vehicle You are driving.
You are who you are and if they don't like it then they can go watch someone else. Everythink you do is to get the job done and sometimes that takes the difficult path. If they think they can do it better then they can start their own shop and post their videos and listen to all the haters of how they do things. You have over half a million subscribers and they account for what less than 1000 (being generous)? You are not here for them but to entertain/inform and I find your content both informative and entertaining. And for the parts I find long I just skip over it, like manifold bolt removals. So don't stop being you, I have learned a lot watching you.
Ray just gets things done. Takes care of business. Period. Keep up the great work Ray.
Like you said " the hard way" you could have just used the ratcheting piston compression tool before you pit the caliper on.
Also Torque stick! Always use with power tools on lug nuts! And finish by hand torque on ground. I keep my impact, torque sticks, sockets and torque wrench in my long distance driving vehicle for in case Tire changes. I also keep a tire patch kit in it as well.
Good day to you Ray! ANOTHER never gets old….. great and informative video on a brake job. Only critique is the lack of a Dave sighting again. The back of his legs do not count as a sighting. LOL! And yes, everything is a hammer. 😂😂😂
I just love the mandatory appearances of wife unit. She is sooo cute. You're a lucky man, Ray. 🙂
And Ray is a lucky and blessed man. It's nice when you find your perfect spouse unit.
EBC Brake pads work great and increase stopping power….. they make several different composition, pad, material for braking power
Torque limiting stick.
Just like the guy who drove 1200 miles to have you service his vehicle, good service will always have a place in this world. Because word ( UA-cam) gets around. Keep up the good work.👍
My friend, you are 100 % correct about corporate greed vampires and walmart is the worst, we have the sane issues in Canada
You have explained torque sticks enough everyone should know
Not to worry Rae, minor personal challenges make the difficult ones tolerable.
Ops, I am glad that you are feeling well....good to see new videos.....
Ray It is a torque stick.
Right on with you assessment.
Definitely need louder voices.👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
Totally agree with you on the rant. Keep up the good work and videos and just be in the moment and enjoy life.
I recommend the Powerstop brake pads...they provided the correct replacement hardware! Specifically the Z36 HD Towing pads...they turn a so so brake system to a very good brake feel and excellent stopping power. Just put them in my 2017 4runner before a big Southwest 4000 mile trip
I love powerstop pads and rotor kit I got for my van probably overkill kill but my lady has our kids with her so i got the best kit they had with slotted and drilled rotors
100% correct Mr Ray, on that Corporate statement.... where I am East tn, knoxville tn Area just last evening noticed a dedicated vest wearing Associates at Walmart exits!!! Checking receipt...security on the vests..
About the gas pumps, near me is a station that has both full ( they don't really check anything like oil or clean the windshield) service and a self serve island, that is run by a credit card slot, with 2c reduction from posted price.It's always busy during the day, not so much at night.
I think your patient level is great! I appreciate how you talk about what you are doing. Very good teacher!!
Damn - the last time I saw 4-piston calipers was 1973 on a Volvo 164. Had to make special scrapers to clean out the piston seal slots inside those fixed calipers before installing new piston seals. Because, of course, the two caliper halves were factor-sealed together. Bloody engineers!
ALSO POP CAP ON THE RESIVOIR, SO THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF ROOM IN THERE FOR THE FLUID RUNNING BACK INTO IT , JUST INCASE THE FLUID LEVEL WAS CHASED WITH MORE FLUID AS THE PADS WORE DOWN. RESIVOIR WOULD THEN BE OVER FULL. 😊
The orange thing is a Torque stick... also know as a talk stick... it allows you the freedom of speach... and to Torque nuts/bolts to the required toque setting.
I may be late to the party BUT welcome back ray! Haven't seen you in my list since your Mrs posted saying you were seriously ill. Glad you bounced back
YAAY!!! AWESOME Brake Clean effects AGAIN!! YOU THE MAN!! Thanks for another great video Ray! Cheers Brother!
That's WHY I love your channel...half the fun is figure out motivation 😊
Another good technique of "homing" the pads and/or rotors is to press on the brakes while on drive. Some kind of left-foot braking.
I always clean those guide pins and put a very thin layer of permatex ceramic brake grease. So that the brake pads can slide freely
there is also the metal shim on the pad which you did not use and transfer to the new pads which usually acts as an indicator to let you know that your pads are close to replacement as it makes noise when your brakes are time to change
Ray, you are a good man, your attitude is remarkable. I guess we still can watch some of your past videos for their educational value.
Ray, don't ever stop being you man. Love your comments about today's corporate America. Today's standards, really aren't equal to what they were back in the day. Quality control was tops back in the day, today, not so much, no one seems to care until they're taken to court, even then, feels like they still don't care. Just a slap on wrist to them. I do tend to get NAPA parts over some of the OEM, lets face it, even parts from the dealership can be just as bad as the "Chinese knockoffs". Yes, it's happened, many times. Great video as always, cheers :)
I do want to add that a lot of companies moved to the "arbitration" model to avoid responsibility (aka class action lawsuits). Most of those arbitrators favor the company.
We have a full service gas station in our area now. They will even check the oil if requested. Great place with good folks and we tip them as they wash the windshield every time. What a great place to get gas. The price is 10 cents or less per gallon. Typicaly it cost me about about a buck fiftey to get all that service plus I give the guy/gal a tip because I think its worth it.
The uneven rotors is why I used to use a sanding disc to create a non-directional surface
i have always said if you are not having fun its work. i worked at a/c and refrigeration repair for 50 years ,5 years on my own it was always fun
You’ll probably never read this BUT Ray great vids. Much respect and I hope more auto mechanics follow your example ✅ and upload on UA-cam like yourself! Teaches folks a lot about working on cars 🚘 Thank you
"MAYBE THERE'S THAT ONE GUY OUT THERE !!!" You're crack'in me up Ray !!!
Not a rant. It’s the way it is these days.
Another great vid. Cheers
Torque limiting socket device, and you are correct about Corperate America today...
I’m
on the aviation side of maintenance. My wife “ Rainman Ray again??!! “ Yes.
Some people whistle while they work. Ray "philosophates" while he works. I love it!
I made a fixture of a water bottle with the cap drilled and with a suitable hose. I undo the bleed valve on the top of the brake pistons and position the hose thus it will bleed into the bottle. Calipers now depress with hand pressure.
Being retired, I do not carry a cell phone , but when I worked, I always needed complete quite to be100 percent efficient using my 5 senses....and I never use self check out......I agree ...with your thoughts on corporate America...
You get what you pay for, save a few bucks but, you put yourself and the ones your responsible for endanger. Thanks Ray very good video.
outdoors with the morgans also talks about things like that which i totally agree with.
Thank you for your rant, we need more people to feel this way. Using Walmart as an example is spot on, yes they employ many but i would like to know how many of those people live below poverty. They push self check only to put you in jail if you make a mistake while checking out. If they offered me a 15% discount while checking myself out then i would consider it but in the meantime they need to employ more cashiers to provide CUSTOMER SERVICE.
Torque Stick - Helps prevent over-torqueing wheel lug nuts when using an air powered tool to install wheel lug nuts..
I do agree Ray, why ruin a job with inferior parts? Especially important things like brakes.
We used torque sticks when I worked at Sears back in the early 90's. Different colors for different torque.
The shop is really looking great! Bright and clean. Quality environment for quality work.
And I agree with you on corporate greed.
Very, very true. The businesses probably hear it. But corporate America doesn't want to hear they screwed up.