@@roosterwes depends on where you live. In the US communes are present and for new members they under go a trial period of staying in the commune before they become permanent residents.
This actually made me quite sad. Theyve ruined the whole idea of mahana. And this poor man is left in its ruins with his tiny ray of hope. I hope some kind hearted people decide to join Arthur out there.
It always breaks my heart seeing people like Arthur with such a wonderful soul, wanting to make something wonderful, getting screwed by people that seem to don´t care about anything but themselves....
I get where David is coming from with having a school aged child and being wary of bad strangers, but you are living on free land, you can't dictate who lives there. If you are worried then pay and move your child to an area that feels safer, again it's free land so you have to take the good with the bad. You shouldn't be able to dictate who stays and goes. The purpose of the land is set, when arthur was talking he always said things were voluntary, you can decide to provide for your own family and no one else if you choose to, but you shouldn't stop people from coming, its not yours to own.
I do not understand David at all. Look at the place full of beer bottles scattered around the place and people drying marijuana in the houses. David said he has a kid and wants to feel safe. if this is the case move to the city's safe suburb bush may not be good for your kid. he asked Arthur to be not there for a reason. they isolated him not Arthur
@@aquastar3456 can understand both men quite well....david sees arthur as a threat to his peace and safety because arthur is too open and accepting to people and some of these people might be criminals or child molesters..could be thieves...also if david is making a lot of money from a marijuana crop he is growing he certainly does not want more and more people on the land walking around and coming across his crop...it is not a tight knit community any more...people have spread out to build their houses and have their families...the ideal of mahana only exists in the mind of arthur as a wish for it's return...for people to be living close together again and sharing and caring...like a commune...a communist ideology really...using all things in common...very few possessions...david and the others are like capitalists who are loitering on the communist ideology they don't follow...david and the others would not believe that a commune works for various reasons
Let's be real, no matter where you move, the risk of being around bad people exists. A lot of people don't get caught doing their "bad things" so there's no registry or way of checking to confirm your neighbors are safe. Plus, what's going to stop somebody from taking a drive into that neighborhood? If David is concerned for his children to the level of not allowing people to move there, then he better lock his kids up and keep them away from all of society.
David sees himself as the rightful decider of who gets to use the land, and he admitted to burning down houses not in his ownership to control the land. Vile entitlement, exact opposite of the founders intention.
@@Marco-zt2jj Exactly right! It is our modern world that producers the vast excess of resources and energy which affords us the opportunity to entertain such lofty ideals. Once you take away that excess however, those ideals become untenable as the excess that supported it is gone, causing the greater whole to fragment into smaller groups, that can make do with less, as everyone will struggle to secure what resources they can for themselves and those closest to them.
@@Marco-zt2jj this video is proof if we want to have the best possible outcome in life and all are happy, love needs to be applied in every instance. Love of neighbor. If he wants his peace, let him be and treat him as a brother later on if he desires. Everyone wants their space and privacy with their families. but love is like the bonding in between everyone. If we dont have a family, we'll want to be around others. It's simple, no matter where or what or when, just apply love to the situation. If it calls for something strict, do that too, because if the situation calls for it, then let it be. It's all love. It's possible, just everyone needs to realize it.
@@diggie9598 They burgled nearby neighborhoods and the stolen goods were found in the house they were squatting in. I'd say that was pretty conclusive. Unless you're saying the guy in the video was lying? But why would he lie? Especially given how easy it would be for another local to debunk a lie like that. Even the old hippie acknowledged that the vacant lots were drawing criminals. He walked in on the remnants of a weed farm in one of the houses. Growing a few plants for personal consumption in your own back yard is fine by me, but a grow op like that is clearly something bigger and more sinister, and it's gunna draw other shady characters into the neighborhood where my young kids hang out. No thanks.
You could spend 5 minutes with this man and know his heart. He's wise, he's good. Just look at his face when he holds his grandchildren. Nothing stays the same. People always find a way to ruin this beautiful world. Mine, mine, mine. God owns it.....and he will take it back someday. God bless this sweet man.
god gave us.... every 3 minutes a child dies on earth because of poverty,(dirty water and preventable diseases),IF the top richest 100 people donated 1/4 of their income it would stop! mmm,not gonna happen,but most will be godly? and then mother earth gave us Arthur,and she will accept him back again.....the original recycling keep it real......
I have at times, while living and working in a city, felt invisible.. with no more than business pleasantries for company.. I know Internal Loneliness..
@@deadheadri5779 I think a great many people suffer that kind of loneliness, people who had close and dear friends but chose to relocate away from them without putting the proper value on family and friendship.
I kinda feel bad for this man tho, he seemed like he loved the commune with all the people and kids and now its all so broken down and forgotton.. I wish the best for him
David: "Arthur hasn't built any relationships with any of us." Also David: "We don't want him around our families." Yeah, I don't think Arthur is the problem here, buddy 😑
I think the conversation around 9:36 shows how great a guy Arthur is. Even though David is being hostile Arthur just seems happy he was able to help get the interview with the film crew. He's such a gentle person.
You can see the difference in generation. Arthur is welcome all free love old school hippie kind of guy and the other dude is more modern and creating separation . He seems to be the opposite of what the land was meant for
Arthur is the idealistic, David is the pragmatic. David had kids, Arthur didn't. It's all fine if your community is perfectly safe. If you have people coming and going and they have access to your house, your children, etc... remember there are some awful people in this world. Arthur may actually be one of them, as David alludes to.
@@dogchaser520 .... alluding to something is under handed and a cowards way of stirring shit .... ( we dont want him around our families ) David doesnt want anyone he and the other self appointed high priests havent vetted . they would have to meet his standards, cos he is so all knowing ... why doesnt he fck off bak to a city or some facist little town , seeings he's as straight as can be by the looks of it . boss fake hippy ...
@@chrishowells4488 aren’t you a sour one. You make assumptions based on little information.. The world ain’t black or white extremes, maybe Arthur is not as harmless as he is portraying.
The energy from David and Arthur are totally different. David just gives the energy of and looks like a crazy selfish controlling freak. Arthur gives calm energy, very peaceful. Sad to hear it has become this.
I wouldn’t judge so harshly from a few minutes of video clip shown here. A person with kids to protect doesn’t have the luxury of being completely selfless to strangers, they’re busy being selfless to their kids. That said, that’s not the attitude that Mahana was built upon, so I don’t approve of it.
@@anomienormie8126 being selfless is noble .. doesn't mean you can't protect yourself against selfish people ..being open doesn't mean everything goes .. there s certainly is a lot of story beneath this story .. why did so many people leave paradise ??
Sentence 1: "he hasn't really established relationships with a lot of us." Sentence 2: "We don't want him around our families." Yeap... that really show he is the problem!
Someone should tell David that 'establishing relationships' works both ways. Walk up the hill, go visit the older people. Sit down and take time to listen to their stories. Tell them yours. They were young once, and if you are lucky - you may live to become that old man on the hill some day.
@Sean Doherty That's what makes Arthur, so very Arthur. He gets it. David comes across as either guilty, afraid, angry or traumatized. What ever his issue is, that's not really the ideal of COMMUNE. Commune's are yes, a bit of a cult. You join the collective, the common good. If when people are just relaxing and smoking herb, all should go well. I don't know where they get their money, and food from, pensions ? Health Care too - Everyone loves tropical forests, but some disease, snakes, spider bites, or just old age takes it's toll. May many blessings be upon their commune family.
seriously what the fuck is up with that guy?? he sounds like the biggest jerk in the world!! Arthur I mean of course... I don't want HIM around my family... He has no friends!! EEEW
"He doesn't have an establish relationship with any of us....We don't want him around our families" Well mate those are two veeeery different things. You isolated him not the other way around...
@28kiriku Exactly! To me, this David's hostile response when Arthur first approached with the filmmakers was very telling...and his later comments just cemented it. The "hostility" comes from them, not from this wise old hippie.
David is a greedy land grabber, what a petty little thug he is. The kitchen died a natural death because it's not a commune anymore, it's a collection of greedy fuckwits who have thwarted the original philosophy of Mahana.
Saying "that *he* hasn't established a relationship" and then saying "that *we* don't want him around our families"? These are two very contradicting statements....
I thought the exact same thing. Hes a piece of shit. Aurthur seems like a super cool dude. I would be his homie! Id probably kick the shit out of David to the point hed think it best to leave.
A friend grew up on a commune. What he discovered is that most people don't really want the community part of it. They also don't want to work particularly hard, but are ok with others doing so. You can see Arthur wants community, David wants a remote home.
I know someone who grew up in a commune and he said there are always older guys in these communities who are self-appointed leaders/elders who control and manipulate the younger ones. Sexual abuse of kids and young women is high in these places and the kids often grow up depressed and suicidal, and most want to leave and never come back. Modern cities have police and justice systems, and as much as some people resent the control, without it humans tend to devolve back to undesirable beings, smashing other's houses like in this documentary. Others sit around smoking drugs and never doing any work to contribute to the back-breaking effort it takes to grow food off-grid.
Me too I like the sound of this guy I'd love to hear the story it's sad that a lot of communes start out with good intentions and high (no pun intended) ideals.then end up going down the same path as the rest of society greed and ego take over and the dream crumbles ,Namastay Arthur,Kiora.
The whole point of Mahana is communal living, and voluntary giving. The fact that the second guy said he likes not seeing neighbours houses and that they had no energy to put into a place like the cookhouse just shows that his focus is freeloading, not community. This saddens me so much.
He also doesn't want anyone around his kids who would just 'let anyone in'. Seems like the ideal person to live a well secured house with a fence, gate and locks on his doors in a residential area, patrolled by police.
Its healthy at least, as communication technology can never replace things like that. We drift farther away from eachother because of that technology. Chatting and sharing things over the net like facebook may seem convenient and nice, but there are some even when chatting will feel pretty lone. But it varies with different people, and the way they see things. People in good social situations may feel it less than some in worse ones. And people like david seem undeservingly blessed. If his home burnt down and hes suddenly alone, hes one of those who couldnt probably take it and kill himself. He seems to belong to that category, but i may be wrong.
Yes, what an odd comment for someone who desired communal living. He basically said, "I don't want to see or interact with anyone.". OK, basically impossible unless you are wealthy enough to almost get there...
My Brother and wife lived here for years. My niece was born here. I used to see a girl who was bought up in Mahana. I even served in the Army with a guy who I found out was bought up in Mahana. .....the older I get the more appealing this place is getting to me.
You should go, take people who agree with the commune lifestyle and revitalize the concept! They're not a commune anymore, only neighbours. Its sad to see an idea die like this.
Luiza Gallas I’ll be honest with you. My intentions to moving to Mahana would purely be to stay the fuck away from everyone, society, the government ripping me off, the world and this bullshit matrix internet that we are ALL now locked into. I wouldn’t be doing too much socialising there that’s for sure. The old saying, “I ain’t racist. I hate everybody equally as much”. It’d be a good place to get away and live off next to nothing affordably.
"A real lonely person is lonely in a crowd. The past is the past and you can’t bring it back, you can only look towards the future." Salute to Arthur, he knows.
These new residents of Mahana, don’t understand the whole ideal of the community. Let them go back into ‘normal ‘ society. Why stay in a beautiful commune, if you don’t want to participate in communal living? I’m broken hearted. A freehold is for all. This lovely man is fighting a good fight for a beautiful ideology that people don’t seem to understand anymore.
Sounds... boring. What would you do in such a place? What is there to fill the 80 some odd years you are going to live? People need competition, motivation, drama, etc. otherwise we get bored.
They didn't misunderstand anything, they're taking advantage of the rent-free life. If you're part of regular society, but living rent-free, and essentially squatting-for-ultimate-land-ownership, you got a real leg up compared to your peers out there in regular society, where earnings are lower than costs for most people. That is why they behave the way they do, spiritually they are regular society folk looking to lower costs, not communal types at all.
@@yawgmoth5662 “People need competition, motivation, drama, etc.” Nope. You. You need those things. Not everyone is the same. I’ve willingly lived in Slab City just to get way from the system and people with your kind of ideology. They only problem with Slab is the HEAT!
That is exactly what I was thinking, If you think that when living in a commune you can have "your" things you are missing the point. I'm not saying the people who stole things were in the wrong, but the situation coul've been solved by behaving like a commune and showing them that sharing is an option and should be the first option. If they weren't so selfish there wouldn't have been a problem at all.
I understand the concerns of the other residents, but if anything, they should be the ones to go and they certainly aren't handling things right at all. They can go build their houses elsewhere or mortgage something in a picket fence neighborhood if that suits them better.
@ These ideas are not bad but their execution usually is. In the cases of communism and socialism, the method by which it seeks communal unity is the implementation of a structure that will lead to it. This is a delusion because the structure to create community is already in place and its called relationships. Putting the ideas into practice in your day to day life makes what communism and socialism aim at actually manifest, where as the fallacy of those systems is the need to create something else first to lead to it, merely make it be.
There Is no such thing as past or future, we only allow ourselves the illusion to put the tag on such thing cause we starve for control, false indoctrination made us think in the box and did cage our minds
Oh, Arthur. God bless your sweet, sweet heart. I so admire you for your strength and your kindness. It's not for nothing. You are a beacon of light. People often ask "what happened?" when they reference those of us who came of age in the sixties and seventies. Well, this is what happened. We can all look back and in hindsight believe that we have figured out what went "awry." Arthur is proof that it wasn't something that went awry... it was us. Thank you, Arthur.
First I hear the guy say that Arthur is not interested in having a relationship with the rest of the community and then a bit later he says, we dont want him around our families. Wow, what a lovely guy! xD
Yeah..this David guy is a reall dick!Cos of people like him this places cant evolve further&people cant live in harmony!Animals are our reall teachers in that way,cos theyre without the ego!
I´m sure there is anything else besides about how the place should be run. Anyway, I do not think David is a cock as other people says, he just have his own opinion and is unfair to blame him for being himself
arthur knows whats up and though everyone else thinks hes living too far in the past, hes just trying to maintain the ideals that mahana was founded with
@Alan Horning i sincerely thank you for your service, and i hope you know that there are so many people in this world like arthur, that would gladly welcome you, and already love you. because once you are humbled by nature and the complexity of human nature, we realize that we don't have the place to judge anyone. we are all in this life together, and it's never been more obvious than it is now. but again thank you for your service, and i really hope that you find peace.
@Alan Horning Hi I hope you are doing well today! Happy memorial day! Thank you for serving our country! I truly admire the strength you have for choosing to go on everyday after going through so many hardships. It inspires me to keep being a loving person no matter what i have been through. I hope you are with your loved ones today, and if not, know that me and so many other people appreciate what you've done and are praying for you to find peace, because you truly deserve it. Everybody deserves peace and love. With peace and love we will make it through these times, because we have to. Not only for ourselves, but for the future generations, and for the people who have given up everything to make the world a better place in the past.
I lived in a commune but we all built our own homes, & lived together beautifully, cared for each other, helped each other, I built a mudbrick shack. I would go back & live like this again in a heartbeat, especially now. Find a way to fit into a world in a cooperative way. Live in elegant simplicity
You bet, This real freaks, have a story to tell. I'm 60'now, don't regret much, of course, mistakes happen. I do feel sorry for this, and the generations to come. Free thinking, accepting one a nother, seems to be a thing of the past. Thanks for living the life I live, 'Who am I to blow against the wind.! See ya later Arthur, she'll be right!
I agree with Arthur. The houses shouldn't be burnt down or demolished by any means. That land was purchased and provided with that exact purpose, and not for some group to take over, and start calling the shots on everything.
The whole idea of a free and open commune like that seems amazing, It's a shame that human desire and greed ruins things like that. I would've liked to see Mahana during it's glory days.
probably a shit hole if i'm being honest. Private property ownership is a great idea that works. This whole open and free spirited shit never works. Many many comunes have been tried nearly all failed. As he said as the kids grew up they left because they were attracted to the toys of the modern world. Is it that or is it that the kids grew up and realised that they could live a much safer and better life in the modern world? Probably the latter.
Just been on a mission to find this place recently, every local other than Arthur still resides. Very erie feeling that you're not wanted there. The person we spoke to said "arthurs gone, had been for about 3 years now, you can use our driveway to turn around now if you'd like" sad end to a trippy roadtrip and a good story. Mahana isn't taking new members from what we could tell
What do they mean - Arthur's gone? Has he moved in with his Granddaughter? He would totally hate that. But, I guess, as you age it is harder to live alone.
@Jack Laycock...I'm so sad to hear that. I tried to contact his family to get in contact with him many months ago but to no avail. Such an injustice to turn away from what Mahana's core beliefs were! I was so keen to become part of a new Mahana...a beautiful place now ruined by greed.
Eh the joke goes like this. Three women talking. The first one says-: "my son is a priest when he walks down the street, everyone yells - Father Father"::: The second woman says this -: "my son is a cardinal, when he walks down the street people yell -: Exalted Excellency! "... The third woman says: "my son is three hundred kilos, when he walks down the street peoeple yells- OMG Jesus Christ ! "
Of course. I can always be a hermit. What an inspiring gentleman. He reminded me of a quote from Jean-Paul Sartre. ''If you feel lonely when you're alone then you are in bad company''
@@chazmology This is why anarchy is not possible to exist if you want to live without problems. Hippies were impulsive people who wanted to live by instincts like animals, and the impulsive behaviors are precisely the most toxic ones as they cannot understand empathy or respect other people without throwing and attacking with his opinions to others. They usually believe that no one have the reason in anything so you cannot educate anybody with that.
@@jimix8575 "Hippie" was a name given to half a generation of people because the "establishment" wanted to discredit the idea of doing without the "establishment". It's actually an insult. People are people and there's always one opportunist, that's why anarchy fails in large numbers. If the land is free for anyone to live there and I wasn't on the other side of the world I'd go build that fkin house again. I've seen it over and over, on mountaintops even.
@@jimix8575 I lucked out...Vietnam Vet...real world stuff...so ashamed of hippies I cut my hair...then my stash...I call it 'the politician look..lol I've been around a bit...my friends and I were FREAKS....Rockers...Not Hippie collage trash.....then I went to college...what a laugh....I knew more than the professors...they didn't like that...now where are we?...BLOW IT UP.....ha ha just blow it up
You're great Arthur, a real old hippie and a free soul. For years I roamed with my family in a double-decker bus through Europe. Together with an uncle, aunt, their children and my brother-in-law with his wife and children. we drove with 3 very large campers I will say. At one point bought a large farm in the south of France and settled down. After a few years we finally started driving again, but all in a different direction. The free life is the best thing that can happen to you. I wish you happy days and never change for someone else.
@@itstheotherwhitemeat Why would Bill Maher travel half way across the world to NZ, drive out to this remote location, pile on a tone of prosthetics and act like an old lost hippie, just to film this mini doco?
@@elimead8260 why would George cloony and Sandra bullocks go right up into space just to make a movie. why would they destroy the moon in starwars...….lol
11:11 "There was a house deconstructed." What a gentle way to say "arson." 12:13 "He hasn't really established relationships with a lot of us. We don't want him around our families." Does anybody else see the link between these two sentences? If Mahana does start setting up a vetting system, the first person they should get rid of is David.
Sailor Barsoom i think david is afraid of someone trying to take "his" stuff and probably reactionary. He is trying to avoid the severity of what he had to actually physically do to deconstruct a perfectly livable place. Took effort. deliberate effort. People with like mindset probably are making it hard for coexistence in a place built for community.
It says in the article: It'll all come to a head soon; Arthur says. He's called a meeting of all community members, past and present, to rule on whether Mahana stays open. He seems confident that the meeting will rule in his favour, and it will mark the start of Mahana's return to openness and its former glory. I ask him what will happen at the meeting, what outcome he's hoping for. "Well, I'd like to see those people expelled," he says. This video and article comes from 2017. It is 2019 now, can we get an update? Is Arthur still alive? How is the tribe... Was David expelled? I would really like to know more...Vice, can you go back there :)
I see an eventual lord of the flies scenario happening here unfortunately. With disagreements comes eventual violence and this has been proven over many generations. I hope Arthur relocates with his granddaughter and family.
@@unounv Maybe what yu say already happened over a year ago. I am very curious. It's a shame New Zealand is on the other side of the world...It's hard to pay a visit mysellf :)
That David guy didn't get it, "[no one had the energy for the communal Hall as we have kids to look after]". So, he wants to live in a commune without the benefits of having a whole team of people to help with the energy it takes to raise a family and live a healthy life... Sounds to me like he is there to grow weed not live in a commune.
idk how no one in comments gets it through their head yall keep callling it a commune its not a commune anymore and hasnt been for a long time only 1 guy thinks its a commune thats not a commune.... arthur should stop complaining shouldve gone to live with his FAMILY if he actually cares about them!
@@johnappleseed936 the main issue is that Arthur is in the right. That land belongs to the people, it's free land for people to use and live in. burning down houses because you don't want neighbours is wrong. plain and simple.
arthur seemed to me as if he still holds on to the real values and purposes of mahana. In contrast to the others like david, he seems more like a hypocrite who doesn't know what mahana was built for..
please, can you explain to me what mahana was built for? no offense or sarcasm, i try to understand because my biggest dream was creating a place like mahana in the future but it seems my idea can only exist in a dream and not in reality
They explain what Mahana was built for in the beginning of the video. It was built for freedom, without rules of society and without the means of ownership. They believed housing/ownership was a cause of the problems in today's society. Mahana was meant to be a community built on the ideas where nobody is there ordering you around or telling you what to do, you simply do things because you want to. People like David do not want more people there because that would mean it could mess with ''HIS'' idea of Mahana.
@@Teddyx10 david may be a prick to arthur, but he has a kid to watch out for, so i can kinda understand where he's coming from. if they were burglars raiding around in my area, i'd try to keep my kid safe the best way i knew how. plus, he didn't grow up there and he wasn't a part of it's spiritual peak like arthur was.
Even through the medium of this video, I could feel the repulsive and aggressive-defensive energy vibes coming from that resident David. How sad to live in nature and be so hostile. I hope that one day he can heal his poor heart.
I've lived in two communities like this: I can totally see the problem from my own experiences, and those of the many, many folks from other communities I've met. As quiet as it's kept a place called The Farm in the US went through a similar process. The problem comes from everything being voluntary with no 'compulsory' action, i.e. no boss telling you what to do. Sounds great! What is usually ends up as is no organization to get anything done. Then the people who do live there and work hard get sick of all the unorganized people who don't do any real work. So the place goes form being open to hostile to new comers. The trick is that you still need to have organization and planning; the communities that do the best are the ones that have an organized business plan baked into the structure of the community.
That almost proves his point right there, if everyone is free and can do what they want, seems to attract lazy people and then it stirs and breaks up the structure. You get what you put it, everyone has to work and keep the place clean and cook most nights. Thats not going to happen when people are "free to do what they want bound by no higher authority."
@Powder not possible, plus everyone feels they are working and contributing their fair share, many feel they are working more than others etc almost everyone is wrong
Everybody cant fit into one category-- laziness was just an example. For those with mental illness and disability, there should be somewhere better for them to go. A place where people wont take advantage of them(is there many places? Probably not) especially in different countries. Only thing you can do is hope other humans will see the difference and point them in a "better direction."
"He hasn't established relationships with any of us. We don't want him around our families." How is a guy to establish a relationship with you when you don't allow him to? Jeesh, David.
+Joby Butler It's really simple; when Arthur had the chance early on, he avoided them. As time has passed he became an unwelcome stranger to them, hence they don't want the problematic weirdo around their kids and likely don't enjoy his company themselves.
@@pmodd The problem is that people who came into the land felt like they should exclude other people from coming in because they have kids and all that. That's not the point of Mahana. It's not "Come in and take ownership of the land" it's "Come in, the land is owned by humanity." The fact that they had to register is not a mode of acquiring a piece of the land. It is merely a procedure of ensuring that people are accounted for. If they're using the land for a purpose different from what it is established for, they should leave.
@golden dragon I just saw your next comment here that Arthur moved in with his daughter. Thats nice, but at the same time, sooo sad. He will probably never ever be able to return to Mahana now as he knew it. Good luck to him, & your own pursuits of happiness as well! You should start a You Tube channel. Maybe post a video of the "new"/current arthur, & check in for us so we know he's doing well. :)
9:45 LOL "without you present" and Arthur's just like "yea, okay, sure!" cause he knew this guy would not need any help making himself look like the complete jackass that he is.
i kinda see his point tho its not his fault time changed this place its just a natural progression. its like those guys wanted to escape society and made one for themselfes and eventualy had kids that grew up in that inviroment who ether went away or maibee beeing protectiv about it because its theire home. just my thoughts tho i think they are both intresting to listen to
so true!! reminded me of a big lez and norton moment there with that petty comment lol. Love how he goes onto say arthur wont develop relationships with them. would you want to when receiving such hostility? Would be completely slandered if he tried to anyway!!
@@moritzbierdimpfl7233 yeah to me i reckon they are all protective because of their grow ops, Arthur said some of them are growing insane amounts and i wouldnt be surprised if thats what got stolen.
Same here, the vibe from Arthur was totally different than from Dave. Arthur was calm, choosing his words wisely though speaking from the heart. All I heard coming out of Dave's mouth were words spoken from the ego. Look at his eye movement, the guy's doing mental gymnastics over there! Edit: I meant Dave in the last sentence, not Arthur. Lol, no-one corrected me and agreed anyway.
@maciverandy1 You're probably the kind of person who tries to fuck other peoples girlfiends, it was a commune, now it seems like a bunch of freeloading crack heads (at least Davids beady darting eyes definitely reminded me of one) trying to basically steal what Arthur and his ilk built.
It sucks, but instincts can't be denied, we're only human after all. Most humans have a natural desire to compete and own (have power over) things / other people. This is why communism can and will never work long term in any society.
They didnt ruin it, If you get enough people anywhere you will have disagreements and division. its just the way things work. Some people also like to not get along with others. So you need to find ways to make things better.
@@TVTruther waaaaaaaaaaahhhh, go walk the trail of tears again you dumbass. Maybe if the native Americans were modernized along with the rest of the fucking world they wouldn't have been kicked out of "thier land."
Such a shame what the place has become. The old man seems full of such wisdom... he should write his life stories and the story of Mahana into a book. It would make for some fabulous reading.
I thought communal living is forming relationships with one another and helping each other out? Every one helps build, cook, garden etc. No energy for the kitchen? David seems like a selfish guy who just wants to have a free place to stay.
because he tries to protect his family and community from certain energies they tried to escape from the first place? from which part of this video do you come to your conclusion? no offense, i try to understand
Snub, as far as I see, people here want competition, not communal spirit. They align with one of them and they align against other one. They try to say "it's only his fault!", "he destroys other one's work!". From about 100 comments I read, only one or two were taking things as "they", not "good vs. bad". It might come from manipulative tone of this video - they want us to choice side, so we would be engaged. That's the media's way, alright!
@@snubdawg1386 you are fucking stupid, David literally just wants a free place and keeping others from moving is just saying "fuck it I got mine" to a place that was supposed to be a free COMMUNITY haven. Not a giant property that a couple families try to hold onto for themselves.
I feel quite sorry for Arthur, but sadly times change. As for David, he is just a blagger who found a soft community to leech off and abuse for his own gain.
Yeah definitely. This guy is a bully in a place where he can get away with that kind of stuff. Claiming communal land for yourself is sooo cringy. I would rather be on welfair than move on communal land and start telling people that can't come live there.
It always fails because of the greedy, self-centered assholes like David who came in as refugees but soon wanted to take over everything for himself! I often view it as a white man’s disease where the white people would go around the world to seek salvation and an opportunity for a better life and once they found it they want to keep other people out and declare this new area as belong to them and nobody else even though there were native people living there way before any white people did! The Native Americans used to welcome white people into their land and let them share the bounty of the land, but it didn’t take long for the white people to plot against the native people and tried to get rid of them so that they could claim everything for themselves!
@Christopher Rafter Yes, I'm surprised you're the only one who said it! Yes Dave seems a little cold, he could try to be a bit more warm and resonable, but he's right that you can't allow people who simply want to take advantage of people like Arthur's kindness. If only they could see eye to eye. Arthur's sweet inviting nature combined with Dave's skepicism and ability to choose the best candidates for a peaceful community.
While I see your point, then if only chosen people can join, then who? How are you gonna check it? Background screening? You won't know until you let them in. I'm not saying that either Dave or Arthur is guilty of this situation. Mostly because we see a small part of them, a tiny lil part. Everybody has some evil in them (not in religious sense, just a dark side of every human) and I bet they both made mistakes. But look, Dave says "you can't stop here", Arthur says "ok". They made walls around them, but they both respect them, at last in some way. That's much better than any people who suddenly got on opposite sides. I'm kind of idealist myself and because I trust too much, I lose all the time. But I'm also getting things from live I wouldn't get it not my trust. That's not the matter of being right or not - it's a personal choice of our ways.
@Christopher Rafter David is wrong because the place is not his in ownership. He was not the one to take the mortgage and pay it off to buy the land. If he wanted police and fences, he could have bought any plot of land his heart desires, and put a fence around. Like any of us have paid for a house and land. He came to live in for free, UNDER A SET OF CONDITIONS from those that actually bought this - he mentions the book, so he knows it fully well. And please, known criminals? A woman with two small children and her father? On the other side, Arthur says that the other residents (Dave possibly?) grow weed as a business on this land, and try to keep other people as away as possible... The vandalism of that other property was the work of David & co, so, should they be uninvited?
Does he want such help? He has chosen such life and he seems to be quite content with that. Living in such commune is a struggle, but you get something much more precious. Mahana is what he got and if he'd die there, he won't die alone. He'd die wit h the nature on the one side and memories on the other. What makes me happy is that family just hope he would change his mind - they don't force him.
I'd love to see a big documentary with other members, maybe people who don't live there anymore to get an completed picture why this community failed or why they're ideales got lost
I lived as a teenager by myself at Mahana during the 90's i loved it except for the constant bickering paranoia & general feeling of uneasyness as at that stage certain peoples were growing commercial ganja crops & with that came distrust fear violence the usual crap. Some days i long to be the 17 year old who showed up & was treated with kindness by most, a lot of the people i knew then moved on years ago Dave hasnt changed & Allen the guy who burns shit was doing it back then Arthur never wore a tshirt so age has finally got to him. The cookhouse was the centre, i went back for a reunion a number of years ago & didnt like the stories being told or the atitudes of some but will always be a part of me wanting to go back but know it wont happen as time hasnt been kind to my health otherwise i would have tried to return.
@Karl Ashdown Thank you for sharing your experience. And I hope your health gets better. What do you think are the reasons why Mahana has fallen into what it is today? Were some 'too idealistic' to bring up the rules the community needed? Did the greed and prospect of personal profit take over?
@@bdhjbazekduve to be honest personality clashes are part of i what experienced but its been so long since i was living there i couldnt really respond to day to day realities of life at Mahana now its completely different to what i knew then. Sorry i cant say more as some things that went on i am sure dont need exposure here.
@laser325 Actually alot of people and places that i have experienced myself tend to assimulate in an extra tollerant and les superficial way than the rest of society (generally speaking and i believe that is a fair judgement), due to the "understanding" ethos that many people like Arthur have. ofcourse they arnt all infallable angels. But comparing the petty jealousies within a good commune to the rest of society - I would undoubtedly say places like this are far less prone to contempt ,superficialities, vindicative aggression and general egoic confrontation ( often seen as the only real way of expressing your self ).
David has ruined the place. God bless Arthur and his love and patience for putting up with that 🤯 I want to visit, with my school aged kids!! The people that came as “thieves” were probably drawn there to change their ways it’s a shame
Arthur has such kind, gentle eyes, they truly are the mirror to the soul I'm lonely too, definitely don't fit into evil society...but at least he has family, my family are my cats
That could very well have been a cigarette he was rolling there you don't know that one way or another don't judge for you will be judged by the same measuring stick
I was in an automobile accident and was paralyzed (paraplegic) and I see the world way differently also. I realized I was them and now I'm suddenly not. I see the whole facade; the fake everything. Man-made ideas who created how we should act, walk and breathe. Get in line.
I think it’s safe to say, David ruined everything. He took over Mahana, what was supposed to be a FREE community, and he tried to rule it. Keep your head high Arthur and keep on dreaming! I am sure it’ll thrive again like it was built to! ❤️
I doubt it but Nice tO dream the hippies have had their time in the sun . Unfortutely tree hugging and making daisy chains was just a gimmick and has came and gone like My old flares and purple skivvy . ITS all about the money always has Been . Also i Dont like women with armpitt hair longer then arthurs beard either
@@waynegersbach8089 for some people, being a hippie isn't a gimmick. i'm a highly spiritual person, have been since birth, it's a mindset and a lifestyle that i believe everyone should try to have. caring for people and caring for the land is freeing and right. being a hippie is about being FREE from bullshit like money, always has been. also, dude, nobody cares about your personal preferences. women aren't going to start shaving (shaving is unnatural by the way, if armpit hair was bad they wouldn't grow it) just because you think you're so important that all women should cater to you, and not to themselves because they're people with brains, asshole.
@@Faith_lemons_love Dont you think that was more than necessary? It didn't sound like a personal attack directed at you in some hurtful manner. It came across more like someone stating their opinion. Are we not still at least acting as if we still have the right to free speech, independent thought, etc., in this country? Does Everybody Need to Think Everything Someone says that They Don't Like Gives them Rights to Tear into Someone Else with Name Calling when what has been said isn't meant to Hurt Them? I get disagreeing w/ others who don't share our views and perceptions, but disagreeing with someone doesn't have to make you or them wrong unless you take it out of context or turn it into something other than what it was being said. I've known plenty of assholes, if that's what you want to call them, both men & women. I'm the type to back up anybody who should be backed or defended. Sorry, I totally support your rights too. However, I didnt see that commentary as what you described as asshole. That kind of commentary sounds very harsh to me. As harsh as your using that language over what I see written here is from you, in my view, in itself, exactly the mentality you are accusing that person! Not a simple commentary about your disagreement. It just seems everything is so polarized these days - as far to the right and as far to the left as we can go that we can't just simply state we agree or disagree in some way where there's some form of balance and dignity, without someone's need to turn things into a full fledged fight where there doesn't need to be one? In my humble opinion, that person seemed to just be speaking an opinion. I didn't hear what I consider Asshole commentaries from that person....geez.
@@user-qb7xo9rh4l I was commenting on Waynes comment and referring to the arm pit hair. Also, I agree with everything being solely about money now but it may not always be like that. The hippy days may be over, but we are a new breed of human now who have much higher intrinsic goals than before. Honestly, I was more so talking about the arm pit hair. 😄 wasn't pulling into the big argument debate of left and right with this.
I agree with this old fellas philosophy of not judging people, of not having ownership of ‘things’ because then they become a higher value over people - this place seems AWESOME to me and if I had known of it I would have moved there instead of leaving the country.
I was scrolling to see if someone else already commented on his identical appearance to Gandalf. I thought Gandalf sailed to the west. Apparently he sailed south and joined a hippy commune
Dave seemed to suggest Arthur may have done some shady stuff with kids and may be a risk. Also, Dave's opinion is valid -- he has a right to protect his family. If you're letting robbers in and have no way to expel them because you believe in a strange communal ideal, you don't get the _hard_ part about living in a community, which is sometimes making the decision to exclude people who damage your community.
@@HelloooThere 10:53 Watch the end of his segment again when he talks about the crime that brought about the whole schism. I don't think anyone was happy about how this panned out. And it seems like there may have been shady stuff in many places, as happens with humans living in close contact...
" to buy a block of land and to set the land free. So that it was not owned by anybody" Absolutely simply beautiful, a powerful weapon against The System. Well Done Arthur. I hope your neighbours wake up one day and open their hearts. Kia Kaha Arthur.
@@arminhanik4207 Noble but No. At this point in time it seems not, although it is still a work in progress. It may well be, ' The tale of the dog that ate its own tail" I hope not.. It would take a strong personality to keep every one ontrack .
@@snubdawg1386 I totally get it. We would have to ask what Arthur and the other founding members intentions were. Was it " to set the land free" meaning to whoever may choose to live there, as Arthur said, it is not easy living, or , " to select who may live there." I never heard mention of the latter. I would expect some type of commitment to only bring the best of you to the community, and to leave the destructive parts of your life behind. New beginnings, new understanding, new questions. To learn a new life. Would Mahana be a healing place or could it become a hiding place?
So sad to hear Arthur has left. I tried to contact his family many months ago to get in touch with him but to no avail. Would have loved to become a part of a new Mahana, a place with an earthy soul, welcoming and diverse. Sadly this will probably never happen and Davids greed will extinguish any hope there was =(
@FlyingMonkies325 What on earth are you talking about...what kids? Why is it weird to reach out to someone, people do it everyday to find friends, loved ones etc. Someone who turns an innocent gesture into something sordid is the weird one.
@Matt Reis When living on a commune you learn to share things, if you find one of your neighbors stealing you confront and explain that they could've asked for the things. I don't think that all the looters that could've gone through the commune would've done half the damage this pyromaniac did
@Matt Reis Listen again, the thieves were ripping people off before moving there according to David - they were not related to the place or "hippies" (which you seem to see as a negative thing - the world would be in a much better place if there were more hippies around I reckon). For all you know that crack head was making the whole thing up and he just burnt the house down to stop anyone else having a claim on his free land.
@@Teleterkji where did it come from ? People do what they were taught by environment where they were born. if you are right than everyone would be a greedy bastards but you can meet every kind of people.
David shouldn't be in this commune if he acts as if it was private property, Arthur is the only one who remains the true purpose of the whole thing
David Prisk, more like David Prick.
fer real
LoopEgui How do u get in one ofese places?
@@roosterwes depends on where you live. In the US communes are present and for new members they under go a trial period of staying in the commune before they become permanent residents.
yea, i didnt like his attitude toward Arthur.. i mean its a carefree community, not a facist enclave
This actually made me quite sad. Theyve ruined the whole idea of mahana. And this poor man is left in its ruins with his tiny ray of hope. I hope some kind hearted people decide to join Arthur out there.
It's human nature it failed before it ever started, sad but true.
Lets go!
Guys I’m down too
@@gooeyboi6685 Mahanians assemble
Bruh, Can yall invite me too when Im ready? Im in Auckland lol
Arthur, I don't know if you'll ever see this. But there are like-minded individuals. You have a very gentle soul. Thank you for that. Much love...
It always breaks my heart seeing people like Arthur with such a wonderful soul, wanting to make something wonderful, getting screwed by people that seem to don´t care about anything but themselves....
He's looking for a cook.
@@yasminhebenstreit5273 nah don't worry about Arfar, he's happy with his lot. Why shouldn't he be, he's better off then most of us!
technology has won ,
family time was deceptive of the TV & now we dont communicate
Mike Peters so true
I get where David is coming from with having a school aged child and being wary of bad strangers, but you are living on free land, you can't dictate who lives there. If you are worried then pay and move your child to an area that feels safer, again it's free land so you have to take the good with the bad. You shouldn't be able to dictate who stays and goes. The purpose of the land is set, when arthur was talking he always said things were voluntary, you can decide to provide for your own family and no one else if you choose to, but you shouldn't stop people from coming, its not yours to own.
the comment im looking for. good point
I do not understand David at all. Look at the place full of beer bottles scattered around the place and people drying marijuana in the houses. David said he has a kid and wants to feel safe. if this is the case move to the city's safe suburb bush may not be good for your kid. he asked Arthur to be not there for a reason. they isolated him not Arthur
Dear Raven. You said it, Shot...
@@aquastar3456 can understand both men quite well....david sees arthur as a threat to his peace and safety because arthur is too open and accepting to people and some of these people might be criminals or child molesters..could be thieves...also if david is making a lot of money from a marijuana crop he is growing he certainly does not want more and more people on the land walking around and coming across his crop...it is not a tight knit community any more...people have spread out to build their houses and have their families...the ideal of mahana only exists in the mind of arthur as a wish for it's return...for people to be living close together again and sharing and caring...like a commune...a communist ideology really...using all things in common...very few possessions...david and the others are like capitalists who are loitering on the communist ideology they don't follow...david and the others would not believe that a commune works for various reasons
Let's be real, no matter where you move, the risk of being around bad people exists. A lot of people don't get caught doing their "bad things" so there's no registry or way of checking to confirm your neighbors are safe. Plus, what's going to stop somebody from taking a drive into that neighborhood? If David is concerned for his children to the level of not allowing people to move there, then he better lock his kids up and keep them away from all of society.
David sees himself as the rightful decider of who gets to use the land, and he admitted to burning down houses not in his ownership to control the land. Vile entitlement, exact opposite of the founders intention.
He came across as arrogant, didn't like his attitude.
both need to be there for the sake of growth
Yep, self entitled. What he really needs is to be run off the land.
Why isn't he in prison for arson? Wtf
@@nunya2954 . I
Arthur seems like a good soul and i love how he is unaffected by the other habitants toxic attitudes
@@Marco-zt2jj Exactly right!
It is our modern world that producers the vast excess of resources and energy which affords us the opportunity to entertain such lofty ideals. Once you take away that excess however, those ideals become untenable as the excess that supported it is gone, causing the greater whole to fragment into smaller groups, that can make do with less, as everyone will struggle to secure what resources they can for themselves and those closest to them.
@@Marco-zt2jj this video is proof if we want to have the best possible outcome in life and all are happy, love needs to be applied in every instance. Love of neighbor. If he wants his peace, let him be and treat him as a brother later on if he desires. Everyone wants their space and privacy with their families. but love is like the bonding in between everyone. If we dont have a family, we'll want to be around others. It's simple, no matter where or what or when, just apply love to the situation. If it calls for something strict, do that too, because if the situation calls for it, then let it be. It's all love. It's possible, just everyone needs to realize it.
A toxic attitude is not wanting criminals squatting in the same area that you're raising your young children?
@@Poonannyish Do you for certain know they were criminals, or is there a possibility that's not true?
@@diggie9598 They burgled nearby neighborhoods and the stolen goods were found in the house they were squatting in. I'd say that was pretty conclusive. Unless you're saying the guy in the video was lying? But why would he lie? Especially given how easy it would be for another local to debunk a lie like that.
Even the old hippie acknowledged that the vacant lots were drawing criminals. He walked in on the remnants of a weed farm in one of the houses.
Growing a few plants for personal consumption in your own back yard is fine by me, but a grow op like that is clearly something bigger and more sinister, and it's gunna draw other shady characters into the neighborhood where my young kids hang out. No thanks.
“A real lonely person, is lonely in a crowd” that hit me hard
Shut up
@@icanseeyou9227 why should she
That hit me hard as well!!!
I can see you YOU SHUT UP!!!
Not sure I agree though, I feel like feeling lonely in a crowd means you’re in tune with yourself and happy in your own company?
You could spend 5 minutes with this man and know his heart. He's wise, he's good. Just look at his face when he holds his grandchildren. Nothing stays the same. People always find a way to ruin this beautiful world. Mine, mine, mine. God owns it.....and he will take it back someday. God bless this sweet man.
How many times has the Earth hit the reset button? Edit: For example- Noah's Flood
god gave us....
every 3 minutes a child dies on earth because of poverty,(dirty water and preventable diseases),IF the top richest 100 people donated 1/4 of their income it would stop!
mmm,not gonna happen,but most will be godly?
and then mother earth gave us Arthur,and she will accept him back again.....the original recycling
keep it real......
@@patrickj8984 The Earth has a consciousness. There is a greater reality than our reality.
Broken Robot II I hope so.
When you said the work "God" I knew you had ruined it
“A real lonely person is lonely in a crowd.”
Written by Gordon Byron!
hes not lonely:)
u kno me so well ;)
I have at times, while living and working in a city, felt invisible.. with no more than business pleasantries for company.. I know Internal Loneliness..
@@deadheadri5779 I think a great many people suffer that kind of loneliness, people who had close and dear friends but chose to relocate away from them without putting the proper value on family and friendship.
I kinda feel bad for this man tho, he seemed like he loved the commune with all the people and kids and now its all so broken down and forgotton.. I wish the best for him
David: "Arthur hasn't built any relationships with any of us."
Also David: "We don't want him around our families."
Yeah, I don't think Arthur is the problem here, buddy 😑
That is what I thought. David is a greedy soul and Arthur is a problem for him. probably he is growing and selling dope
@@aquastar3456 you could grow and sell dope without being an asshole though :D but David decided differently, hes just a poor human being
@@MrDeltaSoldier ahahahhaaa legilising an illegal drug is priceless
@@MrDeltaSoldier lol :D
Arthur semms to be the problem though
this is heartbreaking on many levels. God bless you Arthur.
What if Arthur is actually God himself?
God is within, when and if people can know this, life will change for them.
Dude is happy. I'm happy for him. Love is loving someone as much as you love yourself.
@@kirstinstrand6292 if only people could see it's just an experience
@@calinchirtes3888 Everyone's God. That's the third eye tattoo. You know you're God, right?
I think the conversation around 9:36 shows how great a guy Arthur is. Even though David is being hostile Arthur just seems happy he was able to help get the interview with the film crew. He's such a gentle person.
indeed.... even knowing the perspective would be in opposition to his own, he helps the team get more insight.
yeah and the other guy came off terrible.
@@colinr4860not terrible, just like a guy who lives in society
I think David changed his last name from Prick to Prisk. What a dick he is.
probably the Devil who is there somewhere. im just guessing but perhaps its about earning money.
You can see the difference in generation. Arthur is welcome all free love old school hippie kind of guy and the other dude is more modern and creating separation . He seems to be the opposite of what the land was meant for
Arthur is the idealistic, David is the pragmatic. David had kids, Arthur didn't. It's all fine if your community is perfectly safe. If you have people coming and going and they have access to your house, your children, etc... remember there are some awful people in this world. Arthur may actually be one of them, as David alludes to.
@@dogchaser520 bollox
Our modern world is more connected in My opinion
@@dogchaser520 .... alluding to something is under handed and a cowards way of stirring shit .... ( we dont want him around our families ) David doesnt want anyone he and the other self appointed high priests havent vetted . they would have to meet his standards, cos he is so all knowing ... why doesnt he fck off bak to a city or some facist little town , seeings he's as straight as can be by the looks of it . boss fake hippy ...
@@chrishowells4488 aren’t you a sour one. You make assumptions based on little information.. The world ain’t black or white extremes, maybe Arthur is not as harmless as he is portraying.
The energy from David and Arthur are totally different. David just gives the energy of and looks like a crazy selfish controlling freak. Arthur gives calm energy, very peaceful. Sad to hear it has become this.
🙌🏽🙌🏽fully spot on. I could just sit and hang out with Arthur all day long and David is a douchebag.
I wouldn’t judge so harshly from a few minutes of video clip shown here. A person with kids to protect doesn’t have the luxury of being completely selfless to strangers, they’re busy being selfless to their kids.
That said, that’s not the attitude that Mahana was built upon, so I don’t approve of it.
@@anomienormie8126 being selfless is noble .. doesn't mean you can't protect yourself against selfish people ..being open doesn't mean everything goes .. there s
certainly is a lot of story beneath this story .. why did so many people leave paradise ??
@@gmy33 Awww Comon, I Got The Same Vibe Of His Greedy Ass, He Wants To Make It His OWN Utopia, Where He's IN CHARGE!!!
@@gmy33 when Arthur's daughter said it was interesting....
Sentence 1: "he hasn't really established relationships with a lot of us."
Sentence 2: "We don't want him around our families."
Yeap... that really show he is the problem!
Someone should tell David that 'establishing relationships' works both ways.
Walk up the hill, go visit the older people. Sit down and take time to listen to their stories. Tell them yours.
They were young once, and if you are lucky - you may live to become that old man on the hill some day.
@Sean Doherty That's what makes Arthur, so very Arthur. He gets it. David comes across as either guilty, afraid, angry or traumatized. What ever his issue is, that's not really the ideal of COMMUNE.
Commune's are yes, a bit of a cult.
You join the collective, the common good.
If when people are just relaxing and smoking herb, all should go well.
I don't know where they get their money, and food from, pensions ? Health Care too - Everyone loves tropical forests, but some disease, snakes, spider bites, or just old age takes it's toll. May many blessings be upon their commune family.
seriously what the fuck is up with that guy?? he sounds like the biggest jerk in the world!! Arthur I mean of course... I don't want HIM around my family... He has no friends!! EEEW
That's what triggered me..David goes pointing the finger but then blatantly says they dont want him around..uh well how can a relationship form !
"He doesn't have an establish relationship with any of us....We don't want him around our families" Well mate those are two veeeery different things. You isolated him not the other way around...
David Prick
@@ShishakliAus amen
@Daniella Prince ... the old hippie guy didnt do it. the younger guy did. Rewatch.
@28kiriku Exactly! To me, this David's hostile response when Arthur first approached with the filmmakers was very telling...and his later comments just cemented it. The "hostility" comes from them, not from this wise old hippie.
David is a greedy land grabber, what a petty little thug he is. The kitchen died a natural death because it's not a commune anymore, it's a collection of greedy fuckwits who have thwarted the original philosophy of Mahana.
“A real lonely person is lonely in a crowd”
🔥🔥🔥🔥
Arthur is NO FOOL 🦾
He's brilliant 😊 such enlightening energy
Everyone knows that. IT isn't some Revelation from God.
@@Therealcarolinaguy shut up jonathan
well said !!!
Its like being in a relationship, the worse thing is having a partner but still feeling alone
Saying "that *he* hasn't established a relationship" and then saying "that *we* don't want him around our families"? These are two very contradicting statements....
I thought the exact same thing. Hes a piece of shit. Aurthur seems like a super cool dude. I would be his homie! Id probably kick the shit out of David to the point hed think it best to leave.
@@fistpump5485 Because that would make you truly great and wise person
"“It was seen as the only option to stop elements .. from moving in here”
"It was seen?” By whom? The aggressive demolishers?
@@poetsrear Watching something be destroyed is the poor decision
you can actually see that David's not even trying to get close to Arthur, he is speaking to him and about him with such disdain
A friend grew up on a commune. What he discovered is that most people don't really want the community part of it. They also don't want to work particularly hard, but are ok with others doing so. You can see Arthur wants community, David wants a remote home.
100%
I know someone who grew up in a commune and he said there are always older guys in these communities who are self-appointed leaders/elders who control and manipulate the younger ones. Sexual abuse of kids and young women is high in these places and the kids often grow up depressed and suicidal, and most want to leave and never come back. Modern cities have police and justice systems, and as much as some people resent the control, without it humans tend to devolve back to undesirable beings, smashing other's houses like in this documentary. Others sit around smoking drugs and never doing any work to contribute to the back-breaking effort it takes to grow food off-grid.
I think Arthur should try his hand at writing, I want to hear the story of Mahana through his thoughtful perspective.
Yooo yes that would be wicked.
Or perhaps a ghost writer
Good ideaa
Me too I like the sound of this guy I'd love to hear the story it's sad that a lot of communes start out with good intentions and high (no pun intended) ideals.then end up going down the same path as the rest of society greed and ego take over and the dream crumbles ,Namastay Arthur,Kiora.
As a lobotomised pot smoker Arthur the author would't get too much past Jack & Jill went up the hill etc
The whole point of Mahana is communal living, and voluntary giving. The fact that the second guy said he likes not seeing neighbours houses and that they had no energy to put into a place like the cookhouse just shows that his focus is freeloading, not community. This saddens me so much.
He also doesn't want anyone around his kids who would just 'let anyone in'. Seems like the ideal person to live a well secured house with a fence, gate and locks on his doors in a residential area, patrolled by police.
Yeah seems that he's kind of a piece of shit
Go there, change it
Its healthy at least, as communication technology can never replace things like that. We drift farther away from eachother because of that technology. Chatting and sharing things over the net like facebook may seem convenient and nice, but there are some even when chatting will feel pretty lone. But it varies with different people, and the way they see things. People in good social situations may feel it less than some in worse ones. And people like david seem undeservingly blessed. If his home burnt down and hes suddenly alone, hes one of those who couldnt probably take it and kill himself. He seems to belong to that category, but i may be wrong.
Yes, what an odd comment for someone who desired communal living. He basically said, "I don't want to see or interact with anyone.". OK, basically impossible unless you are wealthy enough to almost get there...
My Brother and wife lived here for years. My niece was born here.
I used to see a girl who was bought up in Mahana. I even served in the Army with a guy who I found out was bought up in Mahana. .....the older I get the more appealing this place is getting to me.
You should go, take people who agree with the commune lifestyle and revitalize the concept! They're not a commune anymore, only neighbours. Its sad to see an idea die like this.
I'd love to move there and build a hobbit style house into a hill.
I wonder if the real ambition now for those that dont want anyone new is to wait for the oldies to die so they can sell the land for millions.
Luiza Gallas I’ll be honest with you. My intentions to moving to Mahana would purely be to stay the fuck away from everyone, society, the government ripping me off, the world and this bullshit matrix internet that we are ALL now locked into. I wouldn’t be doing too much socialising there that’s for sure. The old saying, “I ain’t racist. I hate everybody equally as much”. It’d be a good place to get away and live off next to nothing affordably.
Me too 💯❤
"A real lonely person is lonely in a crowd. The past is the past and you can’t bring it back, you can only look towards the future." Salute to Arthur, he knows.
Arthur is right.... There's a world of difference between being alone and feeling lonely
These new residents of Mahana, don’t understand the whole ideal of the community.
Let them go back into ‘normal ‘ society. Why stay in a beautiful commune, if you don’t want to participate in communal living?
I’m broken hearted. A freehold is for all.
This lovely man is fighting a good fight for a beautiful ideology that people don’t seem to understand anymore.
I 100% agree! I just felt so bad for poor Arthur, who clearly misses what his community used to be.
Sounds... boring. What would you do in such a place? What is there to fill the 80 some odd years you are going to live? People need competition, motivation, drama, etc. otherwise we get bored.
They didn't misunderstand anything, they're taking advantage of the rent-free life. If you're part of regular society, but living rent-free, and essentially squatting-for-ultimate-land-ownership, you got a real leg up compared to your peers out there in regular society, where earnings are lower than costs for most people. That is why they behave the way they do, spiritually they are regular society folk looking to lower costs, not communal types at all.
@@yawgmoth5662 “People need competition, motivation, drama, etc.” Nope. You. You need those things. Not everyone is the same. I’ve willingly lived in Slab City just to get way from the system and people with your kind of ideology. They only problem with Slab is the HEAT!
@@yawgmoth5662 Let me guess, you were born in the 90s
It seems some of the people there don’t understand the idea of communal living. I liked Arthur.
That is exactly what I was thinking, If you think that when living in a commune you can have "your" things you are missing the point.
I'm not saying the people who stole things were in the wrong, but the situation coul've been solved by behaving like a commune and showing them that sharing is an option and should be the first option. If they weren't so selfish there wouldn't have been a problem at all.
Very well put.
I understand the concerns of the other residents, but if anything, they should be the ones to go and they certainly aren't handling things right at all. They can go build their houses elsewhere or mortgage something in a picket fence neighborhood if that suits them better.
@ Yeah and more idiots than any other nation in any time in history
@ These ideas are not bad but their execution usually is. In the cases of communism and socialism, the method by which it seeks communal unity is the implementation of a structure that will lead to it. This is a delusion because the structure to create community is already in place and its called relationships. Putting the ideas into practice in your day to day life makes what communism and socialism aim at actually manifest, where as the fallacy of those systems is the need to create something else first to lead to it, merely make it be.
“the past is the past and you can’t bring it back, you can only look towards the future” very wise quote from Arthur
There Is no such thing as past or future, we only allow ourselves the illusion to put the tag on such thing cause we starve for control, false indoctrination made us think in the box and did cage our minds
@@shaman3069 no future?
@@shaman3069 no past?
@@theroyaldutchcompany5898 Indeed. There is only now.
@@GibletKing i can remember yesterday, and i can roughly predict the future (if i jump in front of a train, ill die)
Arthur is magnificent and self-actualized. I am glad he has his granddaughter and great grandbabies to share his love with.
At the Moment..
Agreed!
200th like lol
he has to be more sanitized to kiss his that young grandchild.
No. I know Arthur personally and he is not someone you would ever ever leave a child with.
Oh, Arthur. God bless your sweet, sweet heart. I so admire you for your strength and your kindness.
It's not for nothing. You are a beacon of light.
People often ask "what happened?" when they reference those of us who came of age in the sixties and seventies. Well, this is what happened.
We can all look back and in hindsight believe that we have figured out what went "awry." Arthur is proof that it wasn't something that went awry... it was us.
Thank you, Arthur.
golden dragon 🤦
First I hear the guy say that Arthur is not interested in having a relationship with the rest of the community and then a bit later he says, we dont want him around our families. Wow, what a lovely guy! xD
Yeah picked up on that too. Both sides have their idea on how the place should be run. In the mean time there is no communication.
@SuperBarytone : Yea, but it wasn't even a bit later, it was the very next sentence, lols.
Yeah..this David guy is a reall dick!Cos of people like him this places cant evolve further&people cant live in harmony!Animals are our reall teachers in that way,cos theyre without the ego!
I´m sure there is anything else besides about how the place should be run. Anyway, I do not think David is a cock as other people says, he just have his own opinion and is unfair to blame him for being himself
Ill say it again, David is a little Bitch!!!!!!!
I live in Greece. I am so grateful for UA-cam. You can have access to so much knowledge from all over the world. Thanks for sharing.
arthur knows whats up and though everyone else thinks hes living too far in the past, hes just trying to maintain the ideals that mahana was founded with
you got that 3rd eye as your profile pic or wa
@@niksplayz2926 she's half Mahanaian
@Alan Horning i sincerely thank you for your service, and i hope you know that there are so many people in this world like arthur, that would gladly welcome you, and already love you. because once you are humbled by nature and the complexity of human nature, we realize that we don't have the place to judge anyone. we are all in this life together, and it's never been more obvious than it is now.
but again thank you for your service, and i really hope that you find peace.
@Alan Horning Hi I hope you are doing well today! Happy memorial day! Thank you for serving our country! I truly admire the strength you have for choosing to go on everyday after going through so many hardships. It inspires me to keep being a loving person no matter what i have been through. I hope you are with your loved ones today, and if not, know that me and so many other people appreciate what you've done and are praying for you to find peace, because you truly deserve it. Everybody deserves peace and love. With peace and love we will make it through these times, because we have to. Not only for ourselves, but for the future generations, and for the people who have given up everything to make the world a better place in the past.
"A real lonely person is lonely in a crowd."
This person has found inner happiness
and only wants to grow it. Peace.
WELL said.
✌❤
WELL it's worded to perfection.that's my understanding of loneliness,just like it says on the tin."lol"👍peace from DUBLIN CITY REPUBLIC of IRELAND..
I lived in a commune but we all built our own homes, & lived together beautifully, cared for each other, helped each other, I built a mudbrick shack. I would go back & live like this again in a heartbeat, especially now. Find a way to fit into a world in a cooperative way. Live in elegant simplicity
I wanna visit this man and just talk to him about life, I feel like he would have a lot to teach
You bet,
This real freaks, have a story to tell.
I'm 60'now, don't regret much, of course, mistakes happen.
I do feel sorry for this, and the generations to come.
Free thinking, accepting one a nother,
seems to be a thing of the past.
Thanks for living the life I live,
'Who am I to blow against the wind.!
See ya later Arthur,
she'll be right!
@@martinwalden9519 I agree, people are Soo uptight. Loosen up and be more accepting and loving.
Have a smoke bloke!
The best experience's, I made in where in Tassie,
there would be tons to tell.
'Gray daze '???
you can watch him at least once a week on the BILL MAHRER show seeing how it is bill maher in prosthetics.
Same!
I agree with Arthur.
The houses shouldn't be burnt down or demolished by any means. That land was purchased and provided with that exact purpose, and not for some group to take over, and start calling the shots on everything.
Then go do something about it :) That is the natural form of what freedom has there right now.
@@tapasvisingh4864 What do you suggest should be done..?
@@jac9963 Volunteer.... *Hunger games theme starts playing*
@@tapasvisingh4864 On top of that: I don't live there....
Not about to go marauding into their community sorting mfs out, yeah...
Hahaha!!...
I allways wondered where Gandalf ended up.
LOL...
@SDZ 86 With a zeee!
sealand is where that killer whale lives in? hahah
Hahahaha my first thought! eactly that. He looks happy now
He reminds me more of the necromancer in lotr.
My heart melted for Arthur. You sir, are a rear gem in this world.
rear heh heh
@@user-bc6gg5uk9e Hippies, what do you expect?
You mean Rare. Rear means posterior. 🍑
The whole idea of a free and open commune like that seems amazing, It's a shame that human desire and greed ruins things like that. I would've liked to see Mahana during it's glory days.
Yes!!
probably a shit hole if i'm being honest. Private property ownership is a great idea that works. This whole open and free spirited shit never works. Many many comunes have been tried nearly all failed. As he said as the kids grew up they left because they were attracted to the toys of the modern world. Is it that or is it that the kids grew up and realised that they could live a much safer and better life in the modern world? Probably the latter.
Absolutely LOVED the interview with Arthur! The other dude..., not so much. Hope to see another interview with Arthur soon.
Just been on a mission to find this place recently, every local other than Arthur still resides. Very erie feeling that you're not wanted there. The person we spoke to said "arthurs gone, had been for about 3 years now, you can use our driveway to turn around now if you'd like" sad end to a trippy roadtrip and a good story. Mahana isn't taking new members from what we could tell
What do they mean - Arthur's gone? Has he moved in with his Granddaughter? He would totally hate that. But, I guess, as you age it is harder to live alone.
@Jack Laycock...I'm so sad to hear that. I tried to contact his family to get in contact with him many months ago but to no avail. Such an injustice to turn away from what Mahana's core beliefs were! I was so keen to become part of a new Mahana...a beautiful place now ruined by greed.
@@Charli883 No, as you age it's easier to live alone. I know, I'm elderly.
@@tomwatson3735 agreed. Though I am not an elderly. But I find it easier being on your own.
Sad the purpose of the place has been lost yet again to mans greed and need for ownership
Arthur is a beautiful soul, we are fortunate to have him as our neighbor across the road. blessings, old man.
Really where does he live now?
what happened to arthur?
Where at? Is it true that his mother is still alive?!
Ae, blessings to Arthur. ❤️ 😊 🌿
Poor Arthur. His dream and lifestyle is turning into suburbia as he stands.
@I'm unsubscribing. why
@@who6494 He's just an edgy teen. No need to talk with him
Eh the joke goes like this. Three women talking. The first one says-: "my son is a priest when he walks down the street, everyone yells - Father Father"::: The second woman says this -: "my son is a cardinal, when he walks down the street people yell -: Exalted Excellency! "... The third woman says: "my son is three hundred kilos, when he walks down the street peoeple yells- OMG Jesus Christ ! "
Of course. I can always be a hermit. What an inspiring gentleman.
He reminded me of a quote from Jean-Paul Sartre.
''If you feel lonely when you're alone then you are in bad company''
David: We've learned to live with each other and.. one sec. ARTHUR GET OFF MY LAWN!
WHERE THERE ARE HUMANS....THERE ARE PROBLEMS....'MINE!'...NO 'MINE'
@@chazmology This is why anarchy is not possible to exist if you want to live without problems. Hippies were impulsive people who wanted to live by instincts like animals, and the impulsive behaviors are precisely the most toxic ones as they cannot understand empathy or respect other people without throwing and attacking with his opinions to others. They usually believe that no one have the reason in anything so you cannot educate anybody with that.
@@jimix8575 "Hippie" was a name given to half a generation of people because the "establishment" wanted to discredit the idea of doing without the "establishment". It's actually an insult. People are people and there's always one opportunist, that's why anarchy fails in large numbers. If the land is free for anyone to live there and I wasn't on the other side of the world I'd go build that fkin house again. I've seen it over and over, on mountaintops even.
I saw that too...where is the freedom there? Much love Blake!.......Jimi x is too good for a free loving fellowship.
@@jimix8575 I lucked out...Vietnam Vet...real world stuff...so ashamed of hippies I cut my hair...then my stash...I call it 'the politician look..lol I've been around a bit...my friends and I were FREAKS....Rockers...Not Hippie collage trash.....then I went to college...what a laugh....I knew more than the professors...they didn't like that...now where are we?...BLOW IT UP.....ha ha just blow it up
You're great Arthur, a real old hippie and a free soul.
For years I roamed with my family in a double-decker bus through Europe. Together with an uncle, aunt, their children and my brother-in-law with his wife and children. we drove with 3 very large campers I will say. At one point bought a large farm in the south of France and settled down. After a few years we finally started driving again, but all in a different direction.
The free life is the best thing that can happen to you.
I wish you happy days and never change for someone else.
sounds adventurous
It saddens me that in all corners of the world you find people like David.
his name is bill maher. he is on t.v all the time. he has prosthetics on his face. just open your eyes. its all staged.
@@itstheotherwhitemeat Why would Bill Maher travel half way across the world to NZ, drive out to this remote location, pile on a tone of prosthetics and act like an old lost hippie, just to film this mini doco?
Christopher Morrissey David is Trump in disguise
@@elimead8260 why would George cloony and Sandra bullocks go right up into space just to make a movie. why would they destroy the moon in starwars...….lol
@@itstheotherwhitemeat LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Bill Maher,
buddy, let go off crack, remove the tinfoil hat and enjoy life
The success of these projects always depends on the purity of the people’s hearts
Which means they are always doomed.
Just like the waxing and waning of the moon, at times they work and in others not so much.
Absolutely
@@ellistomago3369 pretty much
depends more on the price of dope, but sure, dream on lol.
"Gandalf the Grey.. hmm.. that is what they used to call me. I am Gandalf the Green."
YEAH!! thats what i came here to say, kinda hobbit and gandalf vibes mixed together
Haribol that[s Mahana!
lol
@@jcrafty3264 especially his house felt like a hobbit hole lol
Scott Wilkinson. Fuck Gandalf and the Rings. Tolkien misused the image of the dwarves for his nonsense book.
This man has the voice of an ancient storyteller
That's called an Afrikaans accent
@@Michael-vf7vq yeah he sounded a bit Dutch or Afrikaans idd
@@Michael-vf7vq it's a New Zealand accent. It's in the title you dork
@@theresnothinghereatall You clearly don't know what a New Zealand accent sounds like
@@GecKler Yeah definitely one of the two!
11:11
"There was a house deconstructed."
What a gentle way to say "arson."
12:13
"He hasn't really established relationships with a lot of us. We don't want him around our families."
Does anybody else see the link between these two sentences?
If Mahana does start setting up a vetting system, the first person they should get rid of is David.
Sailor Barsoom ive met David's before.
also David has a creepy doll in the background. why is it almoat life sized and if it is life sized why hanging on the wall
@@demontea3133
Is he (hopefully) not so bad a guy? Did this video depict him unfairly?
Because he looks pretty bad here.
Sailor Barsoom i think david is afraid of someone trying to take "his" stuff and probably reactionary. He is trying to avoid the severity of what he had to actually physically do to deconstruct a perfectly livable place. Took effort. deliberate effort. People with like mindset probably are making it hard for coexistence in a place built for community.
@@demontea3133
Thanks. It's nice to be able to ask somebody who's met the people in question.
It says in the article:
It'll all come to a head soon; Arthur says. He's called a meeting of all community members, past and present, to rule on whether Mahana stays open. He seems confident that the meeting will rule in his favour, and it will mark the start of Mahana's return to openness and its former glory.
I ask him what will happen at the meeting, what outcome he's hoping for.
"Well, I'd like to see those people expelled," he says.
This video and article comes from 2017. It is 2019 now, can we get an update? Is Arthur still alive? How is the tribe...
Was David expelled?
I would really like to know more...Vice, can you go back there :)
I'm so intrigued now
i thought the same way, maybe they should pay a visit tho.
I see an eventual lord of the flies scenario happening here unfortunately. With disagreements comes eventual violence and this has been proven over many generations. I hope Arthur relocates with his granddaughter and family.
@@unounv Maybe what yu say already happened over a year ago. I am very curious. It's a shame New Zealand is on the other side of the world...It's hard to pay a visit mysellf :)
@@unounv one person is burning down homes, how is he still walking free, not arrested, or even worse ?
That David guy didn't get it, "[no one had the energy for the communal Hall as we have kids to look after]". So, he wants to live in a commune without the benefits of having a whole team of people to help with the energy it takes to raise a family and live a healthy life... Sounds to me like he is there to grow weed not live in a commune.
Notice how he mentioned he had a school aged child? If he's a drug dealer he'd probably sell you the kid too. What a worthless bastard.
He wants to live in a commune with no people... 😶
idk how no one in comments gets it through their head yall keep callling it a commune its not a commune anymore and hasnt been for a long time only 1 guy thinks its a commune thats not a commune.... arthur should stop complaining shouldve gone to live with his FAMILY if he actually cares about them!
@@johnappleseed936 the main issue is that Arthur is in the right. That land belongs to the people, it's free land for people to use and live in. burning down houses because you don't want neighbours is wrong. plain and simple.
@@JB-cq8is the main issue is arthur needs to grow his ass up and stop living in the woods even his own family wont live with him. Sad
The last few seconds of the video of him puring up a cup of wine, lighting a join and talking about how he's never been lonely is a whole ass vibe
arthur seemed to me as if he still holds on to the real values and purposes of mahana. In contrast to the others like david, he seems more like a hypocrite who doesn't know what mahana was built for..
please, can you explain to me what mahana was built for? no offense or sarcasm, i try to understand because my biggest dream was creating a place like mahana in the future but it seems my idea can only exist in a dream and not in reality
How
They explain what Mahana was built for in the beginning of the video. It was built for freedom, without rules of society and without the means of ownership. They believed housing/ownership was a cause of the problems in today's society. Mahana was meant to be a community built on the ideas where nobody is there ordering you around or telling you what to do, you simply do things because you want to. People like David do not want more people there because that would mean it could mess with ''HIS'' idea of Mahana.
------->"David Prick"
@@Teddyx10 david may be a prick to arthur, but he has a kid to watch out for, so i can kinda understand where he's coming from. if they were burglars raiding around in my area, i'd try to keep my kid safe the best way i knew how. plus, he didn't grow up there and he wasn't a part of it's spiritual peak like arthur was.
Even through the medium of this video, I could feel the repulsive and aggressive-defensive energy vibes coming from that resident David. How sad to live in nature and be so hostile. I hope that one day he can heal his poor heart.
He's sociopath
some people are just born cunts
I've lived in two communities like this: I can totally see the problem from my own experiences, and those of the many, many folks from other communities I've met. As quiet as it's kept a place called The Farm in the US went through a similar process. The problem comes from everything being voluntary with no 'compulsory' action, i.e. no boss telling you what to do. Sounds great! What is usually ends up as is no organization to get anything done. Then the people who do live there and work hard get sick of all the unorganized people who don't do any real work. So the place goes form being open to hostile to new comers. The trick is that you still need to have organization and planning; the communities that do the best are the ones that have an organized business plan baked into the structure of the community.
That almost proves his point right there, if everyone is free and can do what they want, seems to attract lazy people and then it stirs and breaks up the structure. You get what you put it, everyone has to work and keep the place clean and cook most nights. Thats not going to happen when people are "free to do what they want bound by no higher authority."
100% true, this doesn't work in any setting, even in a family of 8 if u aren't organised the anger starts building up!
Euthanasia would just be another huge step back. How about we just make them work, or they starve and die.
@Powder not possible, plus everyone feels they are working and contributing their fair share, many feel they are working more than others etc almost everyone is wrong
Everybody cant fit into one category-- laziness was just an example. For those with mental illness and disability, there should be somewhere better for them to go. A place where people wont take advantage of them(is there many places? Probably not) especially in different countries. Only thing you can do is hope other humans will see the difference and point them in a "better direction."
bless him, Arthur seems so down to earth and humble, hopefully it builds up again!
"He hasn't established relationships with any of us. We don't want him around our families."
How is a guy to establish a relationship with you when you don't allow him to? Jeesh, David.
+Joby Butler It's really simple; when Arthur had the chance early on, he avoided them. As time has passed he became an unwelcome stranger to them, hence they don't want the problematic weirdo around their kids and likely don't enjoy his company themselves.
@@pmodd The problem is that people who came into the land felt like they should exclude other people from coming in because they have kids and all that. That's not the point of Mahana. It's not "Come in and take ownership of the land" it's "Come in, the land is owned by humanity."
The fact that they had to register is not a mode of acquiring a piece of the land. It is merely a procedure of ensuring that people are accounted for.
If they're using the land for a purpose different from what it is established for, they should leave.
@golden dragon
@golden dragon I just saw your next comment here that Arthur moved in with his daughter. Thats nice, but at the same time, sooo sad. He will probably never ever be able to return to Mahana now as he knew it. Good luck to him, & your own pursuits of happiness as well! You should start a You Tube channel. Maybe post a video of the "new"/current arthur, & check in for us so we know he's doing well. :)
9:45 LOL "without you present" and Arthur's just like "yea, okay, sure!" cause he knew this guy would not need any help making himself look like the complete jackass that he is.
Yeah, there's no one to correct him after the fact.
i kinda see his point tho its not his fault time changed this place its just a natural progression. its like those guys wanted to escape society and made one for themselfes and eventualy had kids that grew up in that inviroment who ether went away or maibee beeing protectiv about it because its theire home. just my thoughts tho i think they are both intresting to listen to
so true!! reminded me of a big lez and norton moment there with that petty comment lol. Love how he goes onto say arthur wont develop relationships with them. would you want to when receiving such hostility? Would be completely slandered if he tried to anyway!!
@@moritzbierdimpfl7233 yeah to me i reckon they are all protective because of their grow ops, Arthur said some of them are growing insane amounts and i wouldnt be surprised if thats what got stolen.
Moritz Bierdimpfl this comment got progressively worse as i read it
you meet 2 resident ,one is open and friendly the other is downright hostile and what seems like a real hater.
This is so well made, I didn't expect it to have so many layers
Dave Prick seems to be the classic arrogant and unbearable neighbor.
Its energy is perceived ominous even through the screen.
Same here, the vibe from Arthur was totally different than from Dave. Arthur was calm, choosing his words wisely though speaking from the heart. All I heard coming out of Dave's mouth were words spoken from the ego. Look at his eye movement, the guy's doing mental gymnastics over there! Edit: I meant Dave in the last sentence, not Arthur. Lol, no-one corrected me and agreed anyway.
the neighbor could only talk about how he didnt like aurthur
He didn't want to look at the interviewer. Telling.
@maciverandy1 You're probably the kind of person who tries to fuck other peoples girlfiends, it was a commune, now it seems like a bunch of freeloading crack heads (at least Davids beady darting eyes definitely reminded me of one) trying to basically steal what Arthur and his ilk built.
@maciverandy1 i can tell you're an unhappy, pathetic little man from nothing other than your comment. good luck, you'll need it.
What a shame people have ruined what was intended as a spiritual dwelling
it was a lovely house
Everything succumbs to greed
It sucks, but instincts can't be denied, we're only human after all. Most humans have a natural desire to compete and own (have power over) things / other people. This is why communism can and will never work long term in any society.
They didnt ruin it, If you get enough people anywhere you will have disagreements and division. its just the way things work. Some people also like to not get along with others. So you need to find ways to make things better.
@@TVTruther waaaaaaaaaaahhhh, go walk the trail of tears again you dumbass. Maybe if the native Americans were modernized along with the rest of the fucking world they wouldn't have been kicked out of "thier land."
Shame he really misses the sounds and energy from kids
Such a shame what the place has become. The old man seems full of such wisdom... he should write his life stories and the story of Mahana into a book. It would make for some fabulous reading.
I think audio book with his narration would be wonderful
I thought communal living is forming relationships with one another and helping each other out? Every one helps build, cook, garden etc. No energy for the kitchen? David seems like a selfish guy who just wants to have a free place to stay.
because he tries to protect his family and community from certain energies they tried to escape from the first place? from which part of this video do you come to your conclusion? no offense, i try to understand
Snub, as far as I see, people here want competition, not communal spirit. They align with one of them and they align against other one. They try to say "it's only his fault!", "he destroys other one's work!". From about 100 comments I read, only one or two were taking things as "they", not "good vs. bad". It might come from manipulative tone of this video - they want us to choice side, so we would be engaged. That's the media's way, alright!
@@snubdawg1386 you are fucking stupid, David literally just wants a free place and keeping others from moving is just saying "fuck it I got mine" to a place that was supposed to be a free COMMUNITY haven. Not a giant property that a couple families try to hold onto for themselves.
David is a little Drug Addict Bitch!!!
@@OkieBucketList His eyes were darting everywhere, not like the calmness of Arthur. He reminded me of people I've seen here on speed.
I feel quite sorry for Arthur, but sadly times change. As for David, he is just a blagger who found a soft community to leech off and abuse for his own gain.
You're insulting beggers.
No things change it’s the other guys time to grow the weed
Damn when did you meet him
Yeah definitely. This guy is a bully in a place where he can get away with that kind of stuff. Claiming communal land for yourself is sooo cringy. I would rather be on welfair than move on communal land and start telling people that can't come live there.
This made me feel quite emotional. Thank you Vice, these documentaries are why I always come back to the brand. What a beautiful soul this guy is.
Yes he has beautiful soul I could listen to his stories for hours. Peace and tranquillity.
I always love the primeval vibe of the New Zealand bush when the fog descends upon its ridges and hills.
Yes! I'm a Kiwi tramper and I love that primeval feeling of our mountains and forests.
I live in a small RV in Canada. Man, I would love to be Arthurs friend - it would be nice to share a tea with him every morning.
what is RV??
And a pipe!!!
@@fradigabi recreational vehicle
G U thank You, now I know, great
@@fradigabi it's a motorhome :)
It is sad that every utopia in the end fails because of same human mistakes that it purpose was to escape of.
It always fails because of the greedy, self-centered assholes like David who came in as refugees but soon wanted to take over everything for himself!
I often view it as a white man’s disease where the white people would go around the world to seek salvation and an opportunity for a better life and once they found it they want to keep other people out and declare this new area as belong to them and nobody else even though there were native people living there way before any white people did!
The Native Americans used to welcome white people into their land and let them share the bounty of the land, but it didn’t take long for the white people to plot against the native people and tried to get rid of them so that they could claim everything for themselves!
@Christopher Rafter Yes, I'm surprised you're the only one who said it! Yes Dave seems a little cold, he could try to be a bit more warm and resonable, but he's right that you can't allow people who simply want to take advantage of people like Arthur's kindness.
If only they could see eye to eye. Arthur's sweet inviting nature combined with Dave's skepicism and ability to choose the best candidates for a peaceful community.
While I see your point, then if only chosen people can join, then who? How are you gonna check it? Background screening? You won't know until you let them in. I'm not saying that either Dave or Arthur is guilty of this situation. Mostly because we see a small part of them, a tiny lil part. Everybody has some evil in them (not in religious sense, just a dark side of every human) and I bet they both made mistakes. But look, Dave says "you can't stop here", Arthur says "ok". They made walls around them, but they both respect them, at last in some way. That's much better than any people who suddenly got on opposite sides. I'm kind of idealist myself and because I trust too much, I lose all the time. But I'm also getting things from live I wouldn't get it not my trust. That's not the matter of being right or not - it's a personal choice of our ways.
@Christopher Rafter David is wrong because the place is not his in ownership. He was not the one to take the mortgage and pay it off to buy the land. If he wanted police and fences, he could have bought any plot of land his heart desires, and put a fence around. Like any of us have paid for a house and land. He came to live in for free, UNDER A SET OF CONDITIONS from those that actually bought this - he mentions the book, so he knows it fully well. And please, known criminals? A woman with two small children and her father? On the other side, Arthur says that the other residents (Dave possibly?) grow weed as a business on this land, and try to keep other people as away as possible... The vandalism of that other property was the work of David & co, so, should they be uninvited?
Christopher Rafter Very good arguments.
And the best part was to realise that Arthur had a family, that will help him in the future, he wont just struggle and die alone.
Does he want such help? He has chosen such life and he seems to be quite content with that. Living in such commune is a struggle, but you get something much more precious. Mahana is what he got and if he'd die there, he won't die alone. He'd die wit h the nature on the one side and memories on the other. What makes me happy is that family just hope he would change his mind - they don't force him.
I'd love to see a big documentary with other members, maybe people who don't live there anymore to get an completed picture why this community failed or why they're ideales got lost
Me too!
The true hippy here is Auther... He looks like a man in touch with his inner soul.
Totally
Yes indeed. A man totally at peace within himself.
@nanee8leo Wisdom
I wonder if they interviewed the drug dealer who Arthur sells pot to.
@@caycug1 Thats probably why that other guy doesn't like him, he wont sell him super skunk..
I lived as a teenager by myself at Mahana during the 90's i loved it except for the constant bickering paranoia & general feeling of uneasyness as at that stage certain peoples were growing commercial ganja crops & with that came distrust fear violence the usual crap. Some days i long to be the 17 year old who showed up & was treated with kindness by most, a lot of the people i knew then moved on years ago Dave hasnt changed & Allen the guy who burns shit was doing it back then Arthur never wore a tshirt so age has finally got to him. The cookhouse was the centre, i went back for a reunion a number of years ago & didnt like the stories being told or the atitudes of some but will always be a part of me wanting to go back but know it wont happen as time hasnt been kind to my health otherwise i would have tried to return.
@Karl Ashdown Thank you for sharing your experience. And I hope your health gets better.
What do you think are the reasons why Mahana has fallen into what it is today? Were some 'too idealistic' to bring up the rules the community needed? Did the greed and prospect of personal profit take over?
@@bdhjbazekduve to be honest personality clashes are part of i what experienced but its been so long since i was living there i couldnt really respond to day to day realities of life at Mahana now its completely different to what i knew then. Sorry i cant say more as some things that went on i am sure dont need exposure here.
@Michael Moretti typical troll! too imature to have any ability to reason indiscriminaltly,dare i say constructively- positive.
@laser325 Actually alot of people and places that i have experienced myself tend to assimulate in an extra tollerant and les superficial way than the rest of society (generally speaking and i believe that is a fair judgement), due to the "understanding" ethos that many people like Arthur have. ofcourse they arnt all infallable angels. But comparing the petty jealousies within a good commune to the rest of society - I would undoubtedly say places like this are far less prone to contempt ,superficialities, vindicative aggression and general egoic confrontation ( often seen as the only real way of expressing your self ).
Think I'd go in a shot. Sounds perfect apart from the guy burning stuff lol. Only my child is pretty ill or I'd seriously look into it.
I could watch 3 hours of this incredible man life.
only 3? useless.
@@BigSnapper shut the fuck up.
David has ruined the place. God bless Arthur and his love and patience for putting up with that 🤯 I want to visit, with my school aged kids!! The people that came as “thieves” were probably drawn there to change their ways it’s a shame
It's bound to happen in a place where anyone and everyone is welcome.
Arthur has such kind, gentle eyes, they truly are the mirror to the soul
I'm lonely too, definitely don't fit into evil society...but at least he has family, my family are my cats
Gypsy Jena That old man is into dark energies. Look at that 1 eye on his forehead, he’s a satanist, he is into black magic.
@@lothekitty1327 The all seeing eye has absolutely nothing to do with Satanism.
And his table was a sun
I wish he knew that they spawned a whole breed in my generation who have this in our hearts and long to live like this.
Good on you mate! thanks for your comment
Agreed
Do a version 2.0 though - learn from this one: keep what's good and fix what doesn't work
The lonely stoner frees his mind at night.
That could very well have been a cigarette he was rolling there you don't know that one way or another don't judge for you will be judged by the same measuring stick
@@rebccarae7669 STFU it was a spliff and good on him. Legalize it!!!!!!!! - and my comment was a famous song lyric.
REBCCA RAE BURNED
Ahhh Nice
@Bail 10k why?
Man, I love this guy. He’s like Gandalf who decided to live as a hobbit. Hope he’s doing well.
For a second I thought he was all alone and I wanted to cry but he has family and that makes me 10/10 happy.
Pussy lol
@@cloroxbleach175 cant blame. Its a woman
I’m rapidly becoming Arthur. And am quite comfortable with it.
fr?
Nikolaus Plesko. Yup. The more I withdraw from this society the less anxiety I feel.
@@claymore4496 Me as well my g. I'm on that spiritual shit
I was in an automobile accident and was paralyzed (paraplegic) and I see the world way differently also. I realized I was them and now I'm suddenly not. I see the whole facade; the fake everything. Man-made ideas who created how we should act, walk and breathe. Get in line.
From outstate Nebraska...nothing wrong with that.
I think it’s safe to say, David ruined everything. He took over Mahana, what was supposed to be a FREE community, and he tried to rule it. Keep your head high Arthur and keep on dreaming! I am sure it’ll thrive again like it was built to! ❤️
I doubt it but Nice tO dream the hippies have had their time in the sun . Unfortutely tree hugging and making daisy chains was just a gimmick and has came and gone like My old flares and purple skivvy . ITS all about the money always has Been . Also i Dont like women with armpitt hair longer then arthurs beard either
@@waynegersbach8089 absolutley not! :*D armpit hair is about to get way longer!
@@waynegersbach8089
for some people, being a hippie isn't a gimmick. i'm a highly spiritual person, have been since birth, it's a mindset and a lifestyle that i believe everyone should try to have. caring for people and caring for the land is freeing and right. being a hippie is about being FREE from bullshit like money, always has been. also, dude, nobody cares about your personal preferences. women aren't going to start shaving (shaving is unnatural by the way, if armpit hair was bad they wouldn't grow it) just because you think you're so important that all women should cater to you, and not to themselves because they're people with brains, asshole.
@@Faith_lemons_love Dont you think that was more than necessary?
It didn't sound like a personal attack directed at you in some hurtful manner.
It came across more like someone stating their opinion.
Are we not still at least acting as if we still have the right to free speech, independent thought, etc., in this country?
Does Everybody Need to Think Everything Someone says that They Don't Like Gives them Rights to Tear into Someone Else with Name Calling when what has been said isn't meant to Hurt Them?
I get disagreeing w/ others who don't share our views and perceptions, but disagreeing with someone doesn't have to make you or them wrong unless you take it out of context or turn it into something other than what it was being said.
I've known plenty of assholes, if that's what you want to call them, both men & women.
I'm the type to back up anybody who should be backed or defended.
Sorry, I totally support your rights too. However, I didnt see that commentary as what you described as asshole.
That kind of commentary sounds very harsh to me. As harsh as your using that language over what I see written here is from you, in my view, in itself, exactly the mentality you are accusing that person!
Not a simple commentary about your disagreement.
It just seems everything is so polarized these days - as far to the right and as far to the left as we can go that we can't just simply state we agree or disagree in some way where there's some form of balance and dignity, without someone's need to turn things into a full fledged fight where there doesn't need to be one?
In my humble opinion, that person seemed to just be speaking an opinion. I didn't hear what I consider Asshole commentaries from that person....geez.
@@user-qb7xo9rh4l I was commenting on Waynes comment and referring to the arm pit hair. Also, I agree with everything being solely about money now but it may not always be like that. The hippy days may be over, but we are a new breed of human now who have much higher intrinsic goals than before. Honestly, I was more so talking about the arm pit hair. 😄 wasn't pulling into the big argument debate of left and right with this.
I've seen this years ago, but never watched the whole thing. Excellent story, incredible man. I moved from Auckland to live in Turkey
I agree with this old fellas philosophy of not judging people, of not having ownership of ‘things’ because then they become a higher value over people - this place seems AWESOME to me and if I had known of it I would have moved there instead of leaving the country.
Gandalf walks amongst us.....
Seriously though, he looks like Gandalf and he has the same calm mindset as the wizard.
He's like a mix between Gandalf and Radagast lol
Confirmed when he lights his pipe at 13:07
Shhh, he is on a quest to gather a burglar, and a squad of dwarves.
I was scrolling to see if someone else already commented on his identical appearance to Gandalf.
I thought Gandalf sailed to the west. Apparently he sailed south and joined a hippy commune
The disrespect Daaaave showed the old boy was just plain rude and clearly a jerk.
At the same time, i think he knows the errors of his ways and perhaps can't seem to find the right way to meet him halfway.
Dave seemed to suggest Arthur may have done some shady stuff with kids and may be a risk. Also, Dave's opinion is valid -- he has a right to protect his family. If you're letting robbers in and have no way to expel them because you believe in a strange communal ideal, you don't get the _hard_ part about living in a community, which is sometimes making the decision to exclude people who damage your community.
@@dogchaser520 what?
@@HelloooThere 10:53 Watch the end of his segment again when he talks about the crime that brought about the whole schism. I don't think anyone was happy about how this panned out. And it seems like there may have been shady stuff in many places, as happens with humans living in close contact...
@@dogchaser520 no thx
"Loneliness is something that I have never erxperienced in my life".
Arthur is a kindred soul of mine.
David doesn’t want others stealing his marijuana
100% the moral of the story
David David Prick is obviously a drug dealer and a bad to the bone scumbag.
Gave you the 420th like 😋
Wait yeah I didn't even think of that but that makes sense XD
Lmao
does anyone know if there's an address we could send letters to Arthur to?
Owen Johnzon i wonder that too but i dont think so
Give me 10 hours I know someone who lives in the coromandel and knows this area of land
I’d like it as well.
try Mahana Community, Port Charles Rd., 3584 Port Charles, New Zealand. Pretty sure this will work. Let me know :)
Mahana
" to buy a block of land and to set the land free. So that it was not owned by anybody" Absolutely simply beautiful, a powerful weapon against The System. Well Done Arthur. I hope your neighbours wake up one day and open their hearts. Kia Kaha Arthur.
Did it work?
@@arminhanik4207 Noble but No. At this point in time it seems not, although it is still a work in progress. It may well be, ' The tale of the dog that ate its own tail" I hope not.. It would take a strong personality to keep every one ontrack .
@@aliceshaw8265 Chief, King, Leader, Dictator., Queen. Unfortunately Purity of Heart is not guaranteed. We are only humans after all.
open their hearts to child molesters and all kinds of bad energies because everyone can share the community regardless of their intentions?
@@snubdawg1386 I totally get it. We would have to ask what Arthur and the other founding members intentions were. Was it " to set the land free" meaning to whoever may choose to live there, as Arthur said, it is not easy living, or , " to select who may live there." I never heard mention of the latter.
I would expect some type of commitment to only bring the best of you to the community, and to leave the destructive parts of your life behind. New beginnings, new understanding, new questions. To learn a new life. Would Mahana be a healing place or could it become a hiding place?
So sad to hear Arthur has left. I tried to contact his family many months ago to get in touch with him but to no avail. Would have loved to become a part of a new Mahana, a place with an earthy soul, welcoming and diverse. Sadly this will probably never happen and Davids greed will extinguish any hope there was =(
Missy, create your own community.
I would love to do this for my son and I. A real community of love. 💜
@@jamesfv1 Looked like a couple of okish houses up there...maybe if enough people "moved in" it might change the dynamic?
@FlyingMonkies325 What on earth are you talking about...what kids? Why is it weird to reach out to someone, people do it everyday to find friends, loved ones etc. Someone who turns an innocent gesture into something sordid is the weird one.
this old man makes me tink about what is the real meaning of life
It is not about meaning..what about your purpose of line...think about that..we did not created to be superior..
subtly gonna drop tink in der eh? making fun of us Norvegians euhhh?
;D
Thats Mahana
It's not about the meaning.
Life is what u make it to be.
Holy shit, he looks so much like Gandalf/Ian McKellen!
Its the effect of that land??
Did his third all seeing eye tell you that? Yeah, I notice the resemblance immediately too.
Haha was just gonna say! The reason to why I clicked this vid, haha. Is he the real gandalf D:
I was thinking it, you already said it!
He also looks like an older Bill Maher.
the most beautiful part of this segment was the end
"I don't need anybody", then lights joint. CLASSIC.
The lonely man's friend.
It will be such a sad day when Arthur is no longer there for the land. Greed always seems to win over love. So sad.
True pure freedom. Sucks some people have to ruin it for everyone.
intelligence can`t redeem us from our primitive nature.
@Matt Reis When living on a commune you learn to share things, if you find one of your neighbors stealing you confront and explain that they could've asked for the things. I don't think that all the looters that could've gone through the commune would've done half the damage this pyromaniac did
@Matt Reis Listen again, the thieves were ripping people off before moving there according to David - they were not related to the place or "hippies" (which you seem to see as a negative thing - the world would be in a much better place if there were more hippies around I reckon). For all you know that crack head was making the whole thing up and he just burnt the house down to stop anyone else having a claim on his free land.
@@Teleterkji where did it come from ? People do what they were taught by environment where they were born. if you are right than everyone would be a greedy bastards but you can meet every kind of people.
The Great outdoors,has a tremendous power over modern civilized people,i think we too easily underestimate it.