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@@Travel-by-Train That's what traveling is all about. Actually, I had just finished a video where the YTr proudly commented on the fact that when he records a trip the cars are EMPTY! That might be nice for filming but that is not a viable situation for rail traffic and the mentality that as long as the government subsidizes rails it is justifiable is a moronic attitude. If nobody wants to buy hats with wilted flowers stop making them and find a sellable product ( sort of like EV cars).
@@cestmoi1262 Hello, Thank you for your answer and interesting comments. Maybe if you like to see busy Train I can suggest you to have a look at our 2 channels called: @Travel.Highlights and also @Travel-by-Train where you will see Amazing Train Ride ....🙂 Please Enjoy watching them
I love Italo. I was in Italy in November 2023 and I took it from Roma to Firenze, Firenze to Venice then Venice to Milano. Each time not only did I get the seat I was looking for but I also got alerts to get on the next earlier train. Clean, friendly and very efficent!
The main reason why sensors in toilets are so popular is just hygiene. You don't have to press buttons that have been used by people directly after doing their physiological needs. But if sensors don't work, well, it's just operator's skill issue...
Nice video of a great operator and of two beautiful stations! I'm Italian and I travel a lot with Italo, I would like to add just a couple of info to your video: - Italo's fleet is all Alstom and is composed by 25 AGV and 26 EVO. Moreover, Italo has announced the acquisition of about 15 new trains that will enter in service by 2028 - from a structural and functional point of view, the AGV trains are planned to be used for 30 years (as many other HS trains) and even if they are hardly used (one of the highest utilization rate for HS operators) by being well maintained they can sustain that duration. For what concerns the interior of the train, every 5-7 years they are renovated (again following an average duration for other HS trains, maybe in this case a bit more frequent given the constant attention to the customer in the competition in the Italian market with Trenitalia's Frecciarossa) - the tranport of bicycle and escooter is permitted on board when folded - the Direttissima Roma-Firenze has actually not that many tunnels being a HS line and the views are just stunning...the train is running immersed in the countryside of Tuscany and you can see beatiful landscape as vineyards and strade bianche along with very nice and picturesque villages in the background - the high load factor of the italian HS trains is given by the popularity and goodness of the operators (Italo and Frecciarossa) and by the geographical structure of the country, with basically most of the big cities connected by 2-3 lines, in contrast with the french and spanish network, where you basically have an hub-and-spoke system with radial lines spreading from the capital.
There are limits of weight per axle, especially on conventional rail (on a curve, too heavy a train will exert lateral force on rail that could rair the rail to roll over - there are other reasons as well). The use of Jacobs bogies reduces the number of axles, but also reduces resistance and helps achieve higher speeds. the AGV is a compromise with traction motors above each bogie which adds weight to bogies. When Alstom did the duplex TGVs, it was a huge challenge to get the weight per car within the limits of the basically 2 axles per car (Jacobs bogie at each end). Doing a duplex on AGV would go over the weight limits because each car needs to have that additional traction and power/electronics equipment. (Talgo has 1 axcle bogies, and this is why its cars are much shorter since the weight of each car has to be supported by 2 * 1/2 axle or 1 axle. ) Germany likes EMUs but their ICE trains have conventional bogies, so 4 axle per car.
because their ice trains have conventional bogies, they have quite a bit lower axle load, meaning less wear of the high-speed line AND that duplex could be done. The downside is that their trains are heavier and consume more power. Compared to motor wagons TGV's, ICE's also need more maintenance (which is the main advantage of the French TGV design, less maintenance is necessary compared to other high speed trains)
While here in Australia we dither over whether to build a high-speed line between our major east coast cities, which are linked at present by hundreds of flights a day! And the cost keeps rising!
Surely there is enough traffic to warrant the spend Sydney-Canberra-Melbourne but I suspect it may be more of a challange to justify incluidng Adelaide and Brisbane, perhaps single track for sections will help keep costs down. City centre to city centre is always better than travelling to an airport with the congestion and delays that causes.
Before the High Speed line between Rome and Milan was built, the connection was almost entirely made by planes. Now there are only Italo and Frecciarossa high speed trains, which take you from the center of Milan to the center of Rome. Nobody takes the plane anymore. As you can see in this video, the trains are always full.
Florence is known to be a bottleneck on this line and the same goes for the line between Florence and Rome, especially the tunnel between Florence and Valdarno. The whole line (the oldest HS line in Europe, by the way) is shared with other trains such as IC and even regional. The speed is limited to 250, but I heard there are planes to upgrade, though with 3KV catenary 250 is pretty much the best you can get. Maybe a new parallel line should be added (not likely). I once travelled on Frecciarossa from Rome to Mestre and it was supposed to be a non-stop service between Rome and Padua, but guess where we got stuck: near Florence, of course.
Oh, I know which part of the Direttissima: the one used also by the Intercity trains, and the Regionale Veloce ones too (fast regional trains with less stops than local trains; they go up to 160 km/h tho). It's the true bottleneck, since the historic line is congested with local trains (and there are plans to make a proper suburban train network in Florence, with the opening of the HS Florence bypass). Yeah, it seems that adding another couple of tracks, even if it's the most expensive thing, is the only concrete solution for reducing the troubles.
I mean the catanary infrastructure is sutiable to be used with 25kv, so it should not be too much trouble to upgrade the catenary to 25kv, especially since all the high speed trains need to be able to run under 25kv anyway. Issue is the regional trains.
@@daanwolters3751 I don't see it feasable in the near future to equip the new EMUs (ETR 103/104/108, 421/521/621, HTR 312/412) or the already existing locomotives (E464 for regional and intercity, E401/402B/403 for intercity) with 25kV AC current pickup...
@@gab_v250 the new emu's should be doable, electronics got a lot smaller. However i am afraid you are right when it comes to who has to pay for refitting them with 25 kv equipment.
It looks like the infrastructure operator upgraded the catenary with the larger insulators to handle 25 kV back in the early 2010s, but never finished the job.
Nature is Beutifull but i find Italian cities very badly keept,center is OK but you go outside center they most often feel like 3th world .Villages are much better kept then cities in my experience.
I like traveling on Frecciarossa 1000 in Executive Class. It’s the buttery soft yellow leather seats and good food served seat side that keep me coming back for more when traveling in Italy. 😉👍🏻
Great video as always Thibault! Being Italian, Italo is always my onwly choice when travelling by HSR. I always find great bargains and find that they usually have lower prices then Trenitalia. Plus, having compared it to other HS products in Europe (mainly ICE and TGV of different generations), I still belive the AGV is the best in terms of ride quality. For sure they are an example for many to follow!
Regarding the bike transport: Unfortunately both on trenitalia and Italo high speed train it's not allowed to bring normal bikes. You can bring foldable bikes, but you need fo fold them and its advised to put them in a dedicated bag which you need to have in advance. If you need to travel long distances in Italy and have a bike your only choice is Intercity or Intercity notte, which have a dedicated coach for the bikes with bike raks. On regional trains also there are dedicated coaches. Safe travels🎉
What floors me about going close to 200 mph on these trains is the lack of motion or vibration in the cabin. Steady as a rock. You can leave a full cup of coffee on your tray and there are no ripples.
@@petek5523 me too. The night train from Amsterdam to Vienna is amazing. It's even cheaper than paying for a Hotel room and the airport transfer plus a ticket.
That could be even cheaper with offers. That is, if you accept to have them sent to your email and not like that dumbass of mine did with Trenitalia lmao
Was in Italy for the last week and a half going to Rome, Napoli and then back north to Rimini, all by high speed train. Didn't get the chance to try out Italo though, because Interrail is not valid on it. So it was all Freccia Rossa. Anyhow, i was positively surprised by basically everything. Pretty punctual service, clean trains & toilets, comfortable seats, free snacks, water and a soft drink or coffee. Really a great experience! What however certainly was NOT a great experience was CircumVisuviana which should have brought me to Pompeï but their entire network broke down with technical difficulties right in front of me.... and since the other 2 days i was in Napoli were just a complete rainy mess i didn't end up visiting Pompeï at all.... :( Also the OBB new generation Railjet i took yesterday from Bologna to München was also pretty bad. Those new generation trains have really poor seat comfort! There were also some technical difficulties with the train that resulted in an overall 50 minute delay which ment the train got cancelled in München Ost..... Pretty sure the control car of the trainset broke down or something. When we entered Verona after sitting there for like 10 minutes they brought the locomotive to the side that had the control car and drove it locomotive first the whole way.
The Circumvesuviana is a meme among Neapolitan commuters, it wasn't nominated the worse railway in Italy for nothing. And the Naples-Pompei-Sorrento is also kept a little better than the rest thanks to tourists, the one to Baiano is shitty.
@@Hastdupech8509 haha yeah guessed as much. When the trains got cancelled i looked on the internet for any news on what caused it and some italian newspaper that i put through google translated showed me "once again people left stranded and walking on the tracks by CircumVisuviana"....
The best train in recent years by Alstom...and of course it was bought by an italian company and not SNCF. I don't really understand why even the new TGV-M has a decrepit push-pull config with locomoties. If it's a fixed set, have distributed traction man! Here in Italy we've been doing since the 1930s (ETR 200), in Japan even the very first Shinkansen had distributed motors. Better performance, smoother acceleration, enanched weight distribution = less track wear, redudancy and fail-safe operation...
In France they know less than you do, the experts at the SNCF and all the engineers at Alstom in France should seek your advice and follow your expertise.
well tbf Alstom bought Fiat Ferroviaria in 2000 (the one company who made also the tilting technology; that's why many Alstom Pendolinos across Europe have a similar style to our ETR 460/470/485 and ETR 600/610)
Great trip. Correct me if i wrong, there's also a concept train called Alstom AGV Double Decker, but it's never produced or even there's no prototype model is produced. This train actually great, and actually it can run faster than TGV POS.
Very interesting video, there are two things I didn't like about Italo, one is that it doesn't have a bar/cafeteria and only vending machines for snacks, coffee and cold drinks (separate mention that they don't work with cards or contactless), the second thing is that half of the car has a one-way drive arrangement and the other half in the opposite direction, so on one side they are looking straight ahead and on the other they travel backwards. Of course, at least I didn't have the problem I had with _Trenitalia_ and that is that they didn't accept my card on the web, so at least I was able to travel without problems. The times I traveled with _Frecciarossa_ are the ones I was invited or paid for me there...
I hear a narcissist speaking loudly on his mobile phone in the cabin. This is forbidden in France and often enforced by conductors and other passengers who remind them to go to the vestibule. Keeping train cabins a sanctuary is key for traveling together sanely.
in italy there are carriages dedicated to those who want to talk or stay silent during the journey, you can also find them on the Frecciarossa trains in france of trenitalia france
From what I know you can't bring full bicycles on high speed trains, probably only if took apart and put inside a baggage. You can bring them on regional and intercity trains that have the proper bike coaches via a couple € supplement. I believe it's free for folded bikes though.
I'm not a fan of competition in passenger rail travel. The only time I find it acceptable is if there still is some sort of offer that lets you take all trains regardless of operator (like KlimaTicket, Generalabonnement, OneTicket) and if the infrastructure still has capacity for growth in that sector. I can only speak for Germany, where the latter is not the case(infrastructure is heavily overloaded). There, DB and its competitor Flixtrain can mostly just take track slots away from the other. It happened for example between Hamburg and Berlin a few years back. The commuters that used the ICE services to get from Wittenberge (a station with ICE stops between Berlin and Hamburg) to Berlin weren't able to get to their jobs anymore because Flixtrain stole that slot from DB and didn't accept DB's monthly passes. Flix doesn't even sell monthly passes. And even worse, Flix didn't even run its train there most of the time, the slot just remained vacant. Because it wasn't profitable enough for them. I just hate that system man....
I'm a bit dubious of the opening market for high-speed rail to private operators... In Italy it seems to be fine but in France I heard that SNCF is considering stopping to connect some stations like Saint-Étienne, or lowering the amount of travels of TGVs for lines like in the basque country, because they can't compensate everything with the PLM high-speed line, and they blame the concurrence for that...
In southern Denmark there's whole churchyard full of smart Pininfarina designed Italian trains. They couldn't get them to work properly. Very very few of them ever got out to run. Hopefully these new ones are of a better quality.
I wasn't aware Ouigo was entering the Italian rail network, what routes are they going to do initially? I'm imaging along the core Turin-Milan-Florence-Rome?
Merci c'était un beau compte rendu de ce service. En tant que visiteur de l'Italie par contre, j'hésite à prendre les trains à grande vitesse, car on est plus souvent qu'autrement sous terre vu le relief du pays... et on ne peut pas profiter des paysages magnifiques. C'est dommage que l'AVG n'ait pas eu beaucoup de clients. Italo et c'est tout !! Pourtant c'est visiblement un très bon train, à ma connaissance, il n'a pas connu de problèmes, il est très confortable et peut fonctionner dans de nombreux pays, peut même aller jusqu'à 360 km/h et est plus économique en électricité que le TGV. Mais la SNCF préfère les voitures 2 niveaux pour ses TGV. Et les autres ont visiblement préféré Siemens ICE, je me demande pourquoi Alstom n'a pas été capable d'en vendre d'avantage.
It such a shame that NTV ended up being the only customer for the AGV. In my opinion, it's technologically superior to even the Euroduplex not to mention the advantages of distributed traction such as faster acceleration and less track wear compared to concentrated power such in the case of the TGV. I think the decision to use Jacobs bogies may have steered potential customers away due to the fact that splitting the cars for expansion would be a lot more complex compared to the Velaro (which is the only other High Speed EMU that can reach 300km/h and above).
I don't like vending machines so I prefer trains with bistro cars, however I did enjoy my Italo ride from Milan to Venice and Trenitalia's Executive Class from Milan to Rome where I got robbed shortly after leaving Roma Termini last January.
Italo is really good I travelled in train Italia ferrioresa from Rome to Venice it was the worst experience they announce.platform 10 mins before departure and even cancelled the last moment I was allowed to another next train that was delayed too worst ever I booked in premium class but I was travelled in 2nd in next as they said you need to meet the train managers in next train hence have to settled in 2nd class after 40 mins roaming into the coaches Italy train management are the worst while I travelled in Spain and Switzerland is awesome always punctual no unnecessary delays and cancellations
Frecciarossa changed because of the arrival of Italo. If it wasn't for Italo we would still be stuck with fake Eurostar and ETR 500. Trenitalia high speed product became excellent because of the arrival of Italo. At least that's my opinion ;)
@@SimplyRailway Okay, I didn't know that Italo started its operation a few months earlier (4/2012) than Frecciarossa (6/2012), I thought it was the other way around, so it may in fact be as you say. Although the Italos seem to me to be very good trains my personal preference falls on the Frecciarossa trains, which I also liked because they had the restaurant cooking for example a (very good) pasta dish on the spot! Which I feel is absent in the Italos, then because of the famous pandemic they removed the kitchen, and I sincerely hope they put it back soon because it was so cool.................
Because Firenze is a blind station, so the train has to go back and loses a lot of time. Still it's faster than flying, you need 1 hour to go to the airport in Rome and in Milano as well..😊
Consider that it has taken one of the slowest trains, in the sense that it is one of the most stops, some Frecciarossa (I don't know if also Italo) take only 2 hours and 50 minutes.
That's the fault of Florence station and the Florence-Rome line, which was opened from the 1970s onwards until the 1990s, in pieces, and was conceived for mixed use. Regional, intercity and freight trains should have taken it to avoid particularly slow sections of the old line, along with the faster trains. 40 years later, the situation has changed very rapidly with the success of HS trains (also due to competition from Italo which increased the offer and lowered prices)
I tested Italo a month ago, on the way to the David Gilmour concert in Rome. My connection from Switzerland arived late in Milano Centrale and the Italo train I had booked was gone. I went to the Italo counter. There I was downgraded from prima business to smart economy and had to pay an additional 34 euros - For a downgrade plus an hour delay! You usually get some refund if you arive an hour late at your destination and downgrades don't cost extra. Not at Italo. I asked the lady at the counter if she would recommend trenitalia for the next trip. She didn't even answer. Conclusion: Great train but the service was the worst I have ever experienced.
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Well, it was not their fault that you arrived late at the starting station....
Plan some spare time at the stations where you need to change the train, dude. If you're missing the train you booked on for whatever reason is clearly not their problem.
@PéterFriedrich19 It was not the starting station. When I traveled to Vienna I missed my connection in Innsbruck and reached Vienna an hour late. I got 25% of my total fare back. That should be the rule. But Italo charged an extra 35% of my door-to-door fare and put me in a lower class. This is the worst advertising ever.
@@mariosphere I guess I owe you an apology for my assumption of a shorter connection time, so my bad. Of course it's not your fault if there's an incident on the first leg, but not their fault either 🤷♂ The additional charge for a route you already paid for is indeed an atrocity, I agree with that.
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50% seats are backward facing?
it's 💩
why don't they learn from far superior Asian High speed train where seats can match the direction of travel
Wow! A train route that attracts many, many passengers. That's what i like to see.
🙂 In Italy it's always busy and the landscape is beautiful
@@Travel-by-Train That's what traveling is all about. Actually, I had just finished a video where the YTr proudly commented on the fact that when he records a trip the cars are EMPTY! That might be nice for filming but that is not a viable situation for rail traffic and the mentality that as long as the government subsidizes rails it is justifiable is a moronic attitude. If nobody wants to buy hats with wilted flowers stop making them and find a sellable product ( sort of like EV cars).
@@cestmoi1262 Hello, Thank you for your answer and interesting comments. Maybe if you like to see busy Train I can suggest you to have a look at our 2 channels called: @Travel.Highlights and also @Travel-by-Train where you will see Amazing Train Ride ....🙂 Please Enjoy watching them
39 € for this journey? That's an offer you can't refuse! 🇮🇹
I love Italo. I was in Italy in November 2023 and I took it from Roma to Firenze, Firenze to Venice then Venice to Milano. Each time not only did I get the seat I was looking for but I also got alerts to get on the next earlier train. Clean, friendly and very efficent!
🙂 Hello, we agree with you Italo it's one of the best train experience we can do in Europe...
The first time I took italo, the train broke down IN THE TUNNEL😂.
We had a long delay and had to step out of the train and walk to another trainset
The main reason why sensors in toilets are so popular is just hygiene. You don't have to press buttons that have been used by people directly after doing their physiological needs. But if sensors don't work, well, it's just operator's skill issue...
If they work properly! If they don' t there is less hygiëne. And that is the problem, theory vs practice
I've always felt that foot pedals are better in this respect. Somewhat old-fashioned, but compared to having to fight with a sensor I'd take them.
Nice video of a great operator and of two beautiful stations!
I'm Italian and I travel a lot with Italo, I would like to add just a couple of info to your video:
- Italo's fleet is all Alstom and is composed by 25 AGV and 26 EVO. Moreover, Italo has announced the acquisition of about 15 new trains that will enter in service by 2028
- from a structural and functional point of view, the AGV trains are planned to be used for 30 years (as many other HS trains) and even if they are hardly used (one of the highest utilization rate for HS operators) by being well maintained they can sustain that duration. For what concerns the interior of the train, every 5-7 years they are renovated (again following an average duration for other HS trains, maybe in this case a bit more frequent given the constant attention to the customer in the competition in the Italian market with Trenitalia's Frecciarossa)
- the tranport of bicycle and escooter is permitted on board when folded
- the Direttissima Roma-Firenze has actually not that many tunnels being a HS line and the views are just stunning...the train is running immersed in the countryside of Tuscany and you can see beatiful landscape as vineyards and strade bianche along with very nice and picturesque villages in the background
- the high load factor of the italian HS trains is given by the popularity and goodness of the operators (Italo and Frecciarossa) and by the geographical structure of the country, with basically most of the big cities connected by 2-3 lines, in contrast with the french and spanish network, where you basically have an hub-and-spoke system with radial lines spreading from the capital.
🙂Ciao, grazie per tutte queste informazioni
There are limits of weight per axle, especially on conventional rail (on a curve, too heavy a train will exert lateral force on rail that could rair the rail to roll over - there are other reasons as well). The use of Jacobs bogies reduces the number of axles, but also reduces resistance and helps achieve higher speeds. the AGV is a compromise with traction motors above each bogie which adds weight to bogies. When Alstom did the duplex TGVs, it was a huge challenge to get the weight per car within the limits of the basically 2 axles per car (Jacobs bogie at each end). Doing a duplex on AGV would go over the weight limits because each car needs to have that additional traction and power/electronics equipment. (Talgo has 1 axcle bogies, and this is why its cars are much shorter since the weight of each car has to be supported by 2 * 1/2 axle or 1 axle. )
Germany likes EMUs but their ICE trains have conventional bogies, so 4 axle per car.
because their ice trains have conventional bogies, they have quite a bit lower axle load, meaning less wear of the high-speed line AND that duplex could be done.
The downside is that their trains are heavier and consume more power.
Compared to motor wagons TGV's, ICE's also need more maintenance (which is the main advantage of the French TGV design, less maintenance is necessary compared to other high speed trains)
While here in Australia we dither over whether to build a high-speed line between our major east coast cities, which are linked at present by hundreds of flights a day! And the cost keeps rising!
Surely there is enough traffic to warrant the spend Sydney-Canberra-Melbourne but I suspect it may be more of a challange to justify incluidng Adelaide and Brisbane, perhaps single track for sections will help keep costs down. City centre to city centre is always better than travelling to an airport with the congestion and delays that causes.
Before the High Speed line between Rome and Milan was built, the connection was almost entirely made by planes. Now there are only Italo and Frecciarossa high speed trains, which take you from the center of Milan to the center of Rome. Nobody takes the plane anymore. As you can see in this video, the trains are always full.
Florence is known to be a bottleneck on this line and the same goes for the line between Florence and Rome, especially the tunnel between Florence and Valdarno. The whole line (the oldest HS line in Europe, by the way) is shared with other trains such as IC and even regional. The speed is limited to 250, but I heard there are planes to upgrade, though with 3KV catenary 250 is pretty much the best you can get. Maybe a new parallel line should be added (not likely). I once travelled on Frecciarossa from Rome to Mestre and it was supposed to be a non-stop service between Rome and Padua, but guess where we got stuck: near Florence, of course.
Oh, I know which part of the Direttissima: the one used also by the Intercity trains, and the Regionale Veloce ones too (fast regional trains with less stops than local trains; they go up to 160 km/h tho). It's the true bottleneck, since the historic line is congested with local trains (and there are plans to make a proper suburban train network in Florence, with the opening of the HS Florence bypass).
Yeah, it seems that adding another couple of tracks, even if it's the most expensive thing, is the only concrete solution for reducing the troubles.
I mean the catanary infrastructure is sutiable to be used with 25kv, so it should not be too much trouble to upgrade the catenary to 25kv, especially since all the high speed trains need to be able to run under 25kv anyway. Issue is the regional trains.
@@daanwolters3751 I don't see it feasable in the near future to equip the new EMUs (ETR 103/104/108, 421/521/621, HTR 312/412) or the already existing locomotives (E464 for regional and intercity, E401/402B/403 for intercity) with 25kV AC current pickup...
@@gab_v250 the new emu's should be doable, electronics got a lot smaller.
However i am afraid you are right when it comes to who has to pay for refitting them with 25 kv equipment.
It looks like the infrastructure operator upgraded the catenary with the larger insulators to handle 25 kV back in the early 2010s, but never finished the job.
I,ve taken the Italo train from Caserta to Rome, it,s excellent!
I am amazed that they use SMN in Florence ; but was surprised to learn they are planning a new underground station there !
Not only planning. The new Firenze Belfiore High Speed station is already under construction, and will be completed in 2028
I used Italo back in 2016 between Rome and Salerno and back. I really enjoyed the experience of the smooth ride.
16:18 Italy is so beautifull
Nature is Beutifull but i find Italian cities very badly keept,center is OK but you go outside center they most often feel like 3th world .Villages are much better kept then cities in my experience.
@dzonikg like in most big citys, watch Paris Banlieu :D
AGVya is Alstom's latest achievement in high-speed rail transport
My #1 railway UA-cam channel I watch! Hope to see you travel globally again soon!
I like traveling on Frecciarossa 1000 in Executive Class. It’s the buttery soft yellow leather seats and good food served seat side that keep me coming back for more when traveling in Italy. 😉👍🏻
I like the Italian High speed train Italo (AGV 575 and ETR 675) 🚄🇮🇹
Seeing the countrysides are always great from trains. Thanks!
Great video as always Thibault! Being Italian, Italo is always my onwly choice when travelling by HSR. I always find great bargains and find that they usually have lower prices then Trenitalia. Plus, having compared it to other HS products in Europe (mainly ICE and TGV of different generations), I still belive the AGV is the best in terms of ride quality. For sure they are an example for many to follow!
Great video! First class is superb! Thanks Thibault.👍😀👌
Regarding the bike transport:
Unfortunately both on trenitalia and Italo high speed train it's not allowed to bring normal bikes.
You can bring foldable bikes, but you need fo fold them and its advised to put them in a dedicated bag which you need to have in advance.
If you need to travel long distances in Italy and have a bike your only choice is Intercity or Intercity notte, which have a dedicated coach for the bikes with bike raks.
On regional trains also there are dedicated coaches.
Safe travels🎉
Great video.
What floors me about going close to 200 mph on these trains is the lack of motion or vibration in the cabin. Steady as a rock. You can leave a full cup of coffee on your tray and there are no ripples.
€39 + the €10 upgrade is an absolute bargain!! I’ll always upgrade to first/premier class when possible, absolutely worth it. Great video 😊
Also way faster and better than going to the airport, it would take a longer time to fly there...😊
@@Rasarel I always use trains when I’m traveling within the EU, it never crosses my mind to fly 😅.
@@petek5523 me too. The night train from Amsterdam to Vienna is amazing. It's even cheaper than paying for a Hotel room and the airport transfer plus a ticket.
That could be even cheaper with offers. That is, if you accept to have them sent to your email and not like that dumbass of mine did with Trenitalia lmao
The speed is limited to 300 Km but this train and also the Frecciarossa can speed up at 350 km!
Very cool
Was in Italy for the last week and a half going to Rome, Napoli and then back north to Rimini, all by high speed train. Didn't get the chance to try out Italo though, because Interrail is not valid on it. So it was all Freccia Rossa.
Anyhow, i was positively surprised by basically everything. Pretty punctual service, clean trains & toilets, comfortable seats, free snacks, water and a soft drink or coffee. Really a great experience!
What however certainly was NOT a great experience was CircumVisuviana which should have brought me to Pompeï but their entire network broke down with technical difficulties right in front of me.... and since the other 2 days i was in Napoli were just a complete rainy mess i didn't end up visiting Pompeï at all.... :(
Also the OBB new generation Railjet i took yesterday from Bologna to München was also pretty bad. Those new generation trains have really poor seat comfort! There were also some technical difficulties with the train that resulted in an overall 50 minute delay which ment the train got cancelled in München Ost.....
Pretty sure the control car of the trainset broke down or something. When we entered Verona after sitting there for like 10 minutes they brought the locomotive to the side that had the control car and drove it locomotive first the whole way.
As well as I know, the control car of the new rail jet train set has not been certificated to operate in Italy yet.
The Circumvesuviana is a meme among Neapolitan commuters, it wasn't nominated the worse railway in Italy for nothing. And the Naples-Pompei-Sorrento is also kept a little better than the rest thanks to tourists, the one to Baiano is shitty.
@@Hastdupech8509 haha yeah guessed as much. When the trains got cancelled i looked on the internet for any news on what caused it and some italian newspaper that i put through google translated showed me "once again people left stranded and walking on the tracks by CircumVisuviana"....
The best train in recent years by Alstom...and of course it was bought by an italian company and not SNCF.
I don't really understand why even the new TGV-M has a decrepit push-pull config with locomoties.
If it's a fixed set, have distributed traction man! Here in Italy we've been doing since the 1930s (ETR 200), in Japan even the very first Shinkansen had distributed motors.
Better performance, smoother acceleration, enanched weight distribution = less track wear, redudancy and fail-safe operation...
In France they know less than you do, the experts at the SNCF and all the engineers at Alstom in France should seek your advice and follow your expertise.
Even by today's standard the ETR 200 is one of the sexiest looking trains. Even better than Settebello/Arlecchino.
well tbf Alstom bought Fiat Ferroviaria in 2000 (the one company who made also the tilting technology; that's why many Alstom Pendolinos across Europe have a similar style to our ETR 460/470/485 and ETR 600/610)
7 min ago, FINALY, Simply railway pls can you make a video on the old regional trains in Italy the “ALN 668” Pla?
Great trip. Correct me if i wrong, there's also a concept train called Alstom AGV Double Decker, but it's never produced or even there's no prototype model is produced. This train actually great, and actually it can run faster than TGV POS.
Very interesting video, there are two things I didn't like about Italo, one is that it doesn't have a bar/cafeteria and only vending machines for snacks, coffee and cold drinks (separate mention that they don't work with cards or contactless), the second thing is that half of the car has a one-way drive arrangement and the other half in the opposite direction, so on one side they are looking straight ahead and on the other they travel backwards.
Of course, at least I didn't have the problem I had with _Trenitalia_ and that is that they didn't accept my card on the web, so at least I was able to travel without problems.
The times I traveled with _Frecciarossa_ are the ones I was invited or paid for me there...
I hear a narcissist speaking loudly on his mobile phone in the cabin. This is forbidden in France and often enforced by conductors and other passengers who remind them to go to the vestibule. Keeping train cabins a sanctuary is key for traveling together sanely.
in italy there are carriages dedicated to those who want to talk or stay silent during the journey, you can also find them on the Frecciarossa trains in france of trenitalia france
Beatiuful video ,greetings from Asturias 🚂👍👋
They are super cheap and have a lot more offers than Trenitalia. Definitely my to-go whenever I need to travel inside the country
From what I know you can't bring full bicycles on high speed trains, probably only if took apart and put inside a baggage.
You can bring them on regional and intercity trains that have the proper bike coaches via a couple € supplement. I believe it's free for folded bikes though.
Will be going in two weeks with them from Naples to Milan in Club Executive.
Great video but I miss your comments they are always so insightful!
Still well done
I'm not a fan of competition in passenger rail travel. The only time I find it acceptable is if there still is some sort of offer that lets you take all trains regardless of operator (like KlimaTicket, Generalabonnement, OneTicket) and if the infrastructure still has capacity for growth in that sector.
I can only speak for Germany, where the latter is not the case(infrastructure is heavily overloaded). There, DB and its competitor Flixtrain can mostly just take track slots away from the other. It happened for example between Hamburg and Berlin a few years back. The commuters that used the ICE services to get from Wittenberge (a station with ICE stops between Berlin and Hamburg) to Berlin weren't able to get to their jobs anymore because Flixtrain stole that slot from DB and didn't accept DB's monthly passes. Flix doesn't even sell monthly passes.
And even worse, Flix didn't even run its train there most of the time, the slot just remained vacant. Because it wasn't profitable enough for them. I just hate that system man....
Thats a good price!
I'm a bit dubious of the opening market for high-speed rail to private operators... In Italy it seems to be fine but in France I heard that SNCF is considering stopping to connect some stations like Saint-Étienne, or lowering the amount of travels of TGVs for lines like in the basque country, because they can't compensate everything with the PLM high-speed line, and they blame the concurrence for that...
That's complete BS. SNCF want to stop because they are not making enough money on some lines. It's not the competition's fault at all.
PLEASE publish your book in English!
The interior of the train is already refubished. It got new seats several years ago. 🙂
In southern Denmark there's whole churchyard full of smart Pininfarina designed Italian trains.
They couldn't get them to work properly.
Very very few of them ever got out to run.
Hopefully these new ones are of a better quality.
There is nothing about this on the internet.....
I wasn't aware Ouigo was entering the Italian rail network, what routes are they going to do initially? I'm imaging along the core Turin-Milan-Florence-Rome?
Turin-Rome and Turin-Venice, that's what the SNCF's first objectives are
Il manquera plus que des ouigo en Allemagne...
@@Hastdupech8509Des duplex ?
Good。🤗🤗🇹🇼🇹🇼
Why are you against liberalization on short distance and local trains?
Merci c'était un beau compte rendu de ce service. En tant que visiteur de l'Italie par contre, j'hésite à prendre les trains à grande vitesse, car on est plus souvent qu'autrement sous terre vu le relief du pays... et on ne peut pas profiter des paysages magnifiques. C'est dommage que l'AVG n'ait pas eu beaucoup de clients. Italo et c'est tout !! Pourtant c'est visiblement un très bon train, à ma connaissance, il n'a pas connu de problèmes, il est très confortable et peut fonctionner dans de nombreux pays, peut même aller jusqu'à 360 km/h et est plus économique en électricité que le TGV. Mais la SNCF préfère les voitures 2 niveaux pour ses TGV. Et les autres ont visiblement préféré Siemens ICE, je me demande pourquoi Alstom n'a pas été capable d'en vendre d'avantage.
Le prix ? La maintenance ? Les specifications ? ...
Hello good video , like
It such a shame that NTV ended up being the only customer for the AGV. In my opinion, it's technologically superior to even the Euroduplex not to mention the advantages of distributed traction such as faster acceleration and less track wear compared to concentrated power such in the case of the TGV. I think the decision to use Jacobs bogies may have steered potential customers away due to the fact that splitting the cars for expansion would be a lot more complex compared to the Velaro (which is the only other High Speed EMU that can reach 300km/h and above).
I don't like vending machines so I prefer trains with bistro cars, however I did enjoy my Italo ride from Milan to Venice and Trenitalia's Executive Class from Milan to Rome where I got robbed shortly after leaving Roma Termini last January.
14:40 the works for the new station are already started.
That is so cheap compared to UK trains. You couldn't get standard class on LNER or Avanti for that for a comparable distance.
I paid 39£ plus 20£ to upgrade to standard premium from London to Glasgow on Avanti in 2023.
These trains are much better than the Frecciarossa, because they don't have all the awful table seats.
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Done
I love the AGV, I wish Eurostar had chosen them instead of the Velaros...
Agreed!
My only objection would be having to ride backwards the whole way. I appreciate when the seats are reversible to face the direction of travel..
It’s no Frecciarossa executive class…
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Italo is really good I travelled in train Italia ferrioresa from Rome to Venice it was the worst experience they announce.platform 10 mins before departure and even cancelled the last moment I was allowed to another next train that was delayed too worst ever I booked in premium class but I was travelled in 2nd in next as they said you need to meet the train managers in next train hence have to settled in 2nd class after 40 mins roaming into the coaches Italy train management are the worst while I travelled in Spain and Switzerland is awesome always punctual no unnecessary delays and cancellations
Were you travelling backwards? I could never do that. It has to be forward all the way.They should have seats that they can change.
The game changer is called Frecciarossa.......................
Frecciarossa changed because of the arrival of Italo. If it wasn't for Italo we would still be stuck with fake Eurostar and ETR 500. Trenitalia high speed product became excellent because of the arrival of Italo. At least that's my opinion ;)
@@SimplyRailway Okay, I didn't know that Italo started its operation a few months earlier (4/2012) than Frecciarossa (6/2012), I thought it was the other way around, so it may in fact be as you say. Although the Italos seem to me to be very good trains my personal preference falls on the Frecciarossa trains, which I also liked because they had the restaurant cooking for example a (very good) pasta dish on the spot! Which I feel is absent in the Italos, then because of the famous pandemic they removed the kitchen, and I sincerely hope they put it back soon because it was so cool.................
I can't handle travelling backwards I need the seat facing the direction of the train travelling
Nice video, nice train, nice journey...but a 3h39mins trip for less than 600kms makes an average speed of only 150km/h...😮
Because Firenze is a blind station, so the train has to go back and loses a lot of time. Still it's faster than flying, you need 1 hour to go to the airport in Rome and in Milano as well..😊
Consider that it has taken one of the slowest trains, in the sense that it is one of the most stops, some Frecciarossa (I don't know if also Italo) take only 2 hours and 50 minutes.
That's the fault of Florence station and the Florence-Rome line, which was opened from the 1970s onwards until the 1990s, in pieces, and was conceived for mixed use. Regional, intercity and freight trains should have taken it to avoid particularly slow sections of the old line, along with the faster trains. 40 years later, the situation has changed very rapidly with the success of HS trains (also due to competition from Italo which increased the offer and lowered prices)
I tested Italo a month ago, on the way to the David Gilmour concert in Rome. My connection from Switzerland arived late in Milano Centrale and the Italo train I had booked was gone. I went to the Italo counter. There I was downgraded from prima business to smart economy and had to pay an additional 34 euros - For a downgrade plus an hour delay! You usually get some refund if you arive an hour late at your destination and downgrades don't cost extra. Not at Italo. I asked the lady at the counter if she would recommend trenitalia for the next trip. She didn't even answer. Conclusion: Great train but the service was the worst I have ever experienced.
Well, it was not their fault that you arrived late at the starting station....
Plan some spare time at the stations where you need to change the train, dude.
If you're missing the train you booked on for whatever reason is clearly not their problem.
@@danielberger1378 I had a 45 min connection but ther was a problem between Gallarate and Rho - so was this my fault?
@PéterFriedrich19 It was not the starting station. When I traveled to Vienna I missed my connection in Innsbruck and reached Vienna an hour late. I got 25% of my total fare back. That should be the rule. But Italo charged an extra 35% of my door-to-door fare and put me in a lower class. This is the worst advertising ever.
@@mariosphere I guess I owe you an apology for my assumption of a shorter connection time, so my bad.
Of course it's not your fault if there's an incident on the first leg, but not their fault either 🤷♂
The additional charge for a route you already paid for is indeed an atrocity, I agree with that.
A ride on an Italian train would not be complete without a person yapping on the phone all the way.
what a stupid banality, people talk on the phone even in France and especially in Germany
Pedrito pedrito maybe in your country does not exist this kind of machine... poor pedrito 😢
On every train there are carriages for people who want a quiet journey, just book a seat in one of them.
Is it really necessary to walk through every car and "toilets time?" So overdone
Dawaj to mięsko mój ty wredny dogu bo jak nie to na tobie zemszczę się.