That tells the respect that the Big 12 has among the CFP powers as well as the B1G and SEC, and the lack of respect that Jim Phillips and the ACC has in that power structure.
I get that is how people cope with the fact the Big-12 is pathetic, to keep telling themselves it is somehow better than the ACC, but no. The conference isn't the issue, the free ride was used up by the big-12's expansion of garbage and the ACC is grabbing teams before losing them, which may be smart but doesn't evoke the sympathy like it did for the pathetic circumstances the big-12 found itself in.
@vistatiger7493 Except... Cincy, UCF, and UH earned their invite to the P5 level by winning their conference and a NY6 bowl. SMU has never even sniffed a NY6 bowl victory. In fact, they couldn't win a conf title until UH, Cincy, and UCF left for the Big 12. So, let's not pretend that SMU is something more than they really are. If anything, they poisoned the ACC.
If the Power Conferences are making the barrier to entry even tougher, it might have been smart for SMU to take the hit to have a seat at the table. It may cost them a ton of money but it was probably either that or get relegated to the second tier forever. They might even be saving vs what it would cost to make the jump in the future. It's still a gamble with the shaky ground the ACC is on.
The ACC should have never accepted SMU if it is not going to treat it as an equal partner. If SMU is successful it helps the ACC and gives it a stronger foothold in Texas.
SMU gives the ACC no foothold in Texas whatsoever. Texas kids that would've gone to FSU, Clemson, and Miami already do. SMU isn't changing anyone's mind. Now, on the other note..... SMU should've stayed where it was. Taking no money to get in the ACC was not something they should've agreed to. No money for 9 years is saying you're not valuable like the other schools in the conference. Lowrler revenue at first is one thing. Zero revenue for a decade is simply not respectable.
I have nothing against SMU but getting a foothold in Texas takes more than one tiny private school no matter how well they do. I'd still say they are more valuable than Wake Forest and BC.
@@lorenzohaynes3886 For the most part, I agree, but in recruiting it will help the ACC at least slightly. It isn't giving them huge inroads into tv markets (I imagine Texas cable providers will balk at having to pay the "in market" ACCN rate, especially outside dallas, though it is usually done by state) but having a team there gives kids a game there for the family to come to... it helps, it's not about quality of the team as far as athat is concerned (Stanford and Cal are the only regular partners though).
@benjaminhawkes6693 Wake Forest has done more in [pick one of the following: baseball, football, basketball] than SMU will ever accomplish in the ACC.
@@devilfrawg4953 Football, probably not. Wake has had 3 good seasons ever. That's not a hard bar. They (SMU) don't actually play baseball so that's some low hanging fruit. BB, probably but Wake isn't really any good at it anymore most years. As I try to tell Wake fans, it's not about success as such, its about viewership and brand. Those come with success only to a degree. Tiny private schools are unlikely to ever achieve sustained (as in still good outside of a good season) TV ratings or become a large brand. ND really is the only one. There are a few other mid-sized private schools (Miami, and Duke, Syracuse, though mostly in BB) and one massive private school that might as well be public (USC). You'll note two of those, as well as Pittburgh and Louisville are named after decent sized cities. Being able to identify with a city or having a city identify with you is important. Same goes for states on a larger scale. People identify with the larger flagship universities of the state, they often at least have family members that attended. I think that's why SMU tries to sell themselves as Dallas, but frankly they should change the name of the school, athletically, to Dallas maybe, otherwise I don't know if it is helping. I don't really know if it will ever succeed but clearly they are working on branding stuff. This issue of small schools being unlikely to become big brands applies to SMU too... but the value of SMU to the ACC is their TV market, and state. Even a minor inroad into Texas is worth more, unsurprisingly (and I emphasize: TO THE ACC) than a 4th brand in North Carolina (and probably the 5th overall behind ECU).
I look at this with a slightly different take. I think the CFP committee asked themselves a question regarding all of the schools that have recently come up from G5 to P4/5. Are you a full share member of the conference you just joined? Houston, UCF, BYU and Cincinnati are. SMU is not. That made the decision rather them. As many have said, buying your way in has more hidden consequences than SMU realizes.
That’s funny. SMU undefeated in the ACC. They couldn’t even beat a bottom half Big12 team. Imagine if Kirby, Jim, Mike, Ryan, … woke up tomorrow and forgot how to play football.
Imagine the Top 8 ACC teams getting out of their contract and SMU contractually obligated to not get paid for 10 years and not being in a Power 5 School.
I'm a fan of a BIG XII School (Former SWC School), and do not feel one bit bad or sad for SMU about the Death Penalty they received so long ago and now that their little ploy to buy their way back into a power conference will likely blow up in their face. SMU thought at one point they could buy players with no repercussions and now think they can buy a spot in a power conference without repercussions. Anyone seeing a common denominator here? People in the SMU community think they're so much smarter than everyone else, but they keep repeating the same mistakes. Reap what you sow SMU.
Your comparison is not valid. SMU is just trying to survive like everyone else. They leveraged what advantages they had. What did you expect them to do - go home and die? Become like UConn so you could gloat over their misery? They did what they had to do.
The only reason SMU got the death penalty is because they were the only school the NCAA could get away with giving the death penalty to. Every Texas school in the South Western Conference was doing it and that is why Arkansas left. Whatever school you root for was most definitely paying their players. You are a hypocrite.
The only way SMU gets the full playoff share, is if current programs agree to take a cut. Why should SEC, B1G, Big 12 schools take a cut? Let the ACC programs take cuts to their payouts in order make SMU whole.
For most of the season, we are rooting against the Huskies. However, i would love to see the PAC-12 win the CFP in the last season of the PAC-12. Go Huskies! It would be a beautiful thing!
SMU Will buy Apple and Disney. Will then outbid everyone for the new college playoff and put themselves in the playoff every year regardless of record. SMU will also buy Fox just for fun.
SMU should leave the ACC after one season there and join WSU & OSU to rebuild the PAC-12 and pave the way for the PAC to regain its P5 status. That's the way forward for SMU.
SMU would be a great addition to the B12. They have a proud athletic tradition. The death penalty could have been applied to any number of programs in those days. Politics, they lost that battle.
SMU would be a HORRIBLE addition to the BIG XII in just about every conceivable way. The BIG XII has plenty of Texas teams already, covering the largest markets in Texas and DOES NOT need another Texas school. To add another school from Texas to the BIG XII would dilute the talent base from the state as well as diluting the the relative equality among current BIG XII members. I do not believe SMU has the talent base or fan base to compete with the current 14 and soon-to-be 16 member schools.
Never happen TCU & Baylor would vote no against it as they did earlier. Don't want the competition in recruiting in the NTex area from another G5 team.
If SMU join the Big 12 I will see Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Baylor and TCU leave for the SEC and if the corruption occurred in SMU outside of football, SMU would've been out of business permanently (I feel the students pain but what has to be, has to be, and they'd scramble to find other schools to call their own, while others would've quit) And let there be a lesson for all colleges who think otherwise
That tells the respect that the Big 12 has among the CFP powers as well as the B1G and SEC, and the lack of respect that Jim Phillips and the ACC has in that power structure.
I get that is how people cope with the fact the Big-12 is pathetic, to keep telling themselves it is somehow better than the ACC, but no. The conference isn't the issue, the free ride was used up by the big-12's expansion of garbage and the ACC is grabbing teams before losing them, which may be smart but doesn't evoke the sympathy like it did for the pathetic circumstances the big-12 found itself in.
That is almost definitely an overly cheery view of the situation
@benjaminhawkes6693 no need to act like your real self
@@benjaminhawkes6693 Agreed. The precedent was set with UCF, Cincy and Houston so SMU will get their coins.
@vistatiger7493 Except... Cincy, UCF, and UH earned their invite to the P5 level by winning their conference and a NY6 bowl. SMU has never even sniffed a NY6 bowl victory. In fact, they couldn't win a conf title until UH, Cincy, and UCF left for the Big 12.
So, let's not pretend that SMU is something more than they really are. If anything, they poisoned the ACC.
Well done John! Go Pokes!
Also there is no "slippery slope" here, this is just the powers-that-be attempting to stop the upward movement of FCS to FBS and G5 to P5/4.
If the Power Conferences are making the barrier to entry even tougher, it might have been smart for SMU to take the hit to have a seat at the table. It may cost them a ton of money but it was probably either that or get relegated to the second tier forever. They might even be saving vs what it would cost to make the jump in the future. It's still a gamble with the shaky ground the ACC is on.
Grant can keep the team focused . Coach Smart is a great offensive coach for Texas Tech!! Great hire on both!!
The ACC should have never accepted SMU if it is not going to treat it as an equal partner. If SMU is successful it helps the ACC and gives it a stronger foothold in Texas.
SMU gives the ACC no foothold in Texas whatsoever. Texas kids that would've gone to FSU, Clemson, and Miami already do. SMU isn't changing anyone's mind. Now, on the other note..... SMU should've stayed where it was. Taking no money to get in the ACC was not something they should've agreed to. No money for 9 years is saying you're not valuable like the other schools in the conference. Lowrler revenue at first is one thing. Zero revenue for a decade is simply not respectable.
I have nothing against SMU but getting a foothold in Texas takes more than one tiny private school no matter how well they do. I'd still say they are more valuable than Wake Forest and BC.
@@lorenzohaynes3886 For the most part, I agree, but in recruiting it will help the ACC at least slightly. It isn't giving them huge inroads into tv markets (I imagine Texas cable providers will balk at having to pay the "in market" ACCN rate, especially outside dallas, though it is usually done by state) but having a team there gives kids a game there for the family to come to... it helps, it's not about quality of the team as far as athat is concerned (Stanford and Cal are the only regular partners though).
@benjaminhawkes6693 Wake Forest has done more in [pick one of the following: baseball, football, basketball] than SMU will ever accomplish in the ACC.
@@devilfrawg4953 Football, probably not. Wake has had 3 good seasons ever. That's not a hard bar. They (SMU) don't actually play baseball so that's some low hanging fruit. BB, probably but Wake isn't really any good at it anymore most years.
As I try to tell Wake fans, it's not about success as such, its about viewership and brand. Those come with success only to a degree. Tiny private schools are unlikely to ever achieve sustained (as in still good outside of a good season) TV ratings or become a large brand. ND really is the only one. There are a few other mid-sized private schools (Miami, and Duke, Syracuse, though mostly in BB) and one massive private school that might as well be public (USC). You'll note two of those, as well as Pittburgh and Louisville are named after decent sized cities. Being able to identify with a city or having a city identify with you is important. Same goes for states on a larger scale. People identify with the larger flagship universities of the state, they often at least have family members that attended.
I think that's why SMU tries to sell themselves as Dallas, but frankly they should change the name of the school, athletically, to Dallas maybe, otherwise I don't know if it is helping. I don't really know if it will ever succeed but clearly they are working on branding stuff.
This issue of small schools being unlikely to become big brands applies to SMU too... but the value of SMU to the ACC is their TV market, and state. Even a minor inroad into Texas is worth more, unsurprisingly (and I emphasize: TO THE ACC) than a 4th brand in North Carolina (and probably the 5th overall behind ECU).
Does that mean that usf can't move up now? Oh no, the horror 😂
Is it time to invite Oregon State and Washington State?
No. Not to the Big12.
The ACC can have them.
I look at this with a slightly different take. I think the CFP committee asked themselves a question regarding all of the schools that have recently come up from G5 to P4/5. Are you a full share member of the conference you just joined? Houston, UCF, BYU and Cincinnati are. SMU is not. That made the decision rather them. As many have said, buying your way in has more hidden consequences than SMU realizes.
Imagine if SMU went undefeated and won the ACC. That really complicates things. Are they gonna make the playoffs and get zero $’s.
😂😂😂
They pay top dollar 💰💰 golden trans-ams
That’s funny. SMU undefeated in the ACC. They couldn’t even beat a bottom half Big12 team.
Imagine if Kirby, Jim, Mike, Ryan, … woke up tomorrow and forgot how to play football.
Imagine the Top 8 ACC teams getting out of their contract and SMU contractually obligated to not get paid for 10 years and not being in a Power 5 School.
Thank God for the BIGXII
I think this ruling is also a shot at the PAC 2 and the reverse merger with mountain west. They don't want all those teams claiming the P5 money.
I'm a fan of a BIG XII School (Former SWC School), and do not feel one bit bad or sad for SMU about the Death Penalty they received so long ago and now that their little ploy to buy their way back into a power conference will likely blow up in their face. SMU thought at one point they could buy players with no repercussions and now think they can buy a spot in a power conference without repercussions. Anyone seeing a common denominator here? People in the SMU community think they're so much smarter than everyone else, but they keep repeating the same mistakes. Reap what you sow SMU.
Your comparison is not valid. SMU is just trying to survive like everyone else. They leveraged what advantages they had. What did you expect them to do - go home and die? Become like UConn so you could gloat over their misery? They did what they had to do.
SMU is a better school than anything in the Big 12.
Eric Dickerson kept the Pontiac Trans Am that sleazy Texas A&M bought him.
The only reason SMU got the death penalty is because they were the only school the NCAA could get away with giving the death penalty to. Every Texas school in the South Western Conference was doing it and that is why Arkansas left. Whatever school you root for was most definitely paying their players. You are a hypocrite.
Good job John
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The only way SMU gets the full playoff share, is if current programs agree to take a cut. Why should SEC, B1G, Big 12 schools take a cut? Let the ACC programs take cuts to their payouts in order make SMU whole.
UCF, BYU and Cincy are worthy of being in the big boys club either.
Please don’t show fear of Greg Sankey. Big XII is strong, but the ACC is heading into a storm.
At least the last phrase is correct.
Sounds like SMUs payout includes the Chiclets...but not the erasers 😉
Big 12 is ranked #5 in Kenpom, so not #1.
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For most of the season, we are rooting against the Huskies. However, i would love to see the PAC-12 win the CFP in the last season of the PAC-12. Go Huskies! It would be a beautiful thing!
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Go Huskies. Did my fellowship at University of Washington
This guy is a virgin
Beggars can't be choosy I'm sure you get plenty of money from podcast without having to ask people to donate to your cause
Go Washington!
SMU Will buy Apple and Disney. Will then outbid everyone for the new college playoff and put themselves in the playoff every year regardless of record. SMU will also buy Fox just for fun.
SMU should leave the ACC after one season there and join WSU & OSU to rebuild the PAC-12 and pave the way for the PAC to regain its P5 status. That's the way forward for SMU.
SMU would be a great addition to the B12. They have a proud athletic tradition. The death penalty could have been applied to any number of programs in those days. Politics, they lost that battle.
SMU would be a HORRIBLE addition to the BIG XII in just about every conceivable way. The BIG XII has plenty of Texas teams already, covering the largest markets in Texas and DOES NOT need another Texas school. To add another school from Texas to the BIG XII would dilute the talent base from the state as well as diluting the the relative equality among current BIG XII members. I do not believe SMU has the talent base or fan base to compete with the current 14 and soon-to-be 16 member schools.
SMU doubled down on their violation when they were on probation. Everything that happened was self-imposed.
Never happen TCU & Baylor would vote no against it as they did earlier. Don't want the competition in recruiting in the NTex area from another G5 team.
If SMU join the Big 12 I will see Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Baylor and TCU leave for the SEC and if the corruption occurred in SMU outside of football, SMU would've been out of business permanently (I feel the students pain but what has to be, has to be, and they'd scramble to find other schools to call their own, while others would've quit)
And let there be a lesson for all colleges who think otherwise
I also agree SMU sucks.
Too bad, so sad SMU! Someone has got to suck . . .that's you!!!
Big 12 is not the best baseball conference. Not even close. ACC blows them away.
Absolutely Hilarious 😂
Hahaha- not likely!
Delusional, maybe 15 years ago 😅
@@davidlemons5650 He must be 72 years old.
The SEC is the best baseball conference... followed by the Big 12 and the ACC.
No it doesn't delusional child,