THESE AREN'T THE SAME?!?! Reacting to "Pokemon vs Digimon Death Battle"
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- Digimon FTW
- Big differences between the two is that in Pokemon battles are sport while in Digimon 99% of the time they're fighting for their lives (There was death quite a bit in the series). Power wise Digimon vastly outmatch majority of Pokemon and are way more intelligent.
- The anime scenes with Red are from a special Pokemon Origins. Mainly exist to promote Gen 6
Fighting not only for their lives, but often the very world itself.
@@PissedGrunty That too. Two worlds on top of that.
If you check out the original pocket monsters manga, there is a lot more brutality in the battles and some even die, though it was removed from the anime and games most likely to better market to kids.
So one game has pokemon faint but the other has them DIE
@@theduckgoesmoo Well technically they only die if they're killed in the real world (or a villain). Otherwise they get resurrected and reborn starting as eggs (Since Digimon are literally living data they're basically recycled). Except in season 3, Tamers. That season death is permanent no matter what
Pokémon was inspired by bug catching and Digimon was inspired by Tamagotchis. They're really not that similar, but they're similar enough that I can see why some people would think that one of them intentionally copied the other.
Not just inspired by Tamagotchis but they literally are a spin-off. They're made by the same company, and digimon was just made out of the company noticing that tamagochis are mostly popular with girls, but they wanted to make sell to boys too, so they made tamagochi, but they fight each other, to get boys interested. And that blew up so much that it spawned an empire that left tamagochi in it's shadows.
Literaly the only similarity between the to is the mon and the end of the name and the fact that is monsters fighting each other thars litearly it.
@@justicesplanet5958 Which is funny because the similar name wasn't even originally a thing (or at least not as obvious because at first only one had a shortened name). At the time Digimon was conceived Pokemon was using its full name of Pocket Monsters but soon after abbreviated to Pokemon upon being brought overseas, which obviously stuck.
@Nakumare Oh, thanks for telling me another reason for why it's dumb people call dogemon a pokemon knock-off.
@@EskChan19 "left tamagotchi in its shadows" is just straight up false. digimon had never done as well as tamagotchi, i mean shit tamagotchi had color screen vpets a DECADE before digimon.
The fact that Digimon could talk is what sold it for me as a kid.
What's better than a Magic Fighting Dog best friend? A TALKING MAGIC FIGHTING DOG BEST FRIEND!!!
Like would you rather have a Flareon or Red XIII as a best friend?
I would agree, if only you hadn't mentioned an eeveelution...
Flareon.
Red.... no doubt
@@theduckgoesmoo yeah
Lol FFVII Abridged reference
fun fact, in a episode, Tai actually punched two Bakemon ghost digimon, and hit a third with a pipe. Kids not afraid to get violent. His sisters even worse, her digimon got into a hair pulling fight with a female devil and was yelling "punch her lights out!"
LOL, I guess it must be a family issue 🤣🤣🤣
"I though Digimon was knock off Pokemon"
To this day it hurts to know that Digimon never got as popular as it could because of this mindset :(
Most people never even gave it chance
Digimon started as edgier Tamagochi that could battle, it was a pet raising simulator but with fights, the original name was V-Pets if I'm correct, and they were released about a year after Pokemon released in Japan, back in 1996, but they were just that, Tamagochi made to sell for boys since it was mostly popular with girls, never intended as a pokemon clone.
Digimon was a pet raising game with combat.
Pokemon was a monster collector RPG.
However with time Digimon games evolved and now you have two variants, the RPG's where you raise a team of Digimon to battle and do quests to progress the story.
And pet raising Digimon games where you have 1-2 Digimon that constantly grow old, die and come back with stronger stats.
If anything, Digimon tries new concepts all the time unlike Pokemon wich in the main titles mostly stuck with what works, and honestly that's kinda ok.
I think the knock of thing is more of a localization thing as the Anime for both came out on the same day in the Uk maybe at the same time but not sure.
I did have to record 1 tho.
that and Digimon was the superior Anime hands down games Pokemon wins but loses on the Anime front as Ash was a complete Idiot
@@CommanderM117 eh. the digimon games are really good and i'd say better than pokemon on average. but hey were more traditional jprg's with more complex mechanics while pokemon was more child friendly and simpler. Most digimon games end with the final mission: kill god meme.
@@TrueHavoc13 It's really only the Digimon Stories line that's traditional RPG's. Other lines such as Digimon World and the myriad of others are all vastly different games, from raising sims to dungeon crawlers to hack and slash. I think that's what makes Digimon games so much more interesting than Pokemon games. Pokemon has been releasing the same game with some new characters pretty much since it's inception, while you'll be hard pressed to find two Digimon games that play the same. Which can be a double edged sword since some if you really like a certain game of the series, chances are you'll never get a followup on that.
Both.
Digimon World and Digimon Story are goated as hell.
This is one of my personal favourites, even though I saw my childhood kill my other childhood.
WOW imagine having 2 childhoods! I apparently didn't have 1
Dude, I remember having this argument on the elementary school playground... I was on the wrong side lol.
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I remembered winning so many arguments in favor of digimon thanks to how powerful some of their battles were in the show versus how tame and non destructive the pokemon battles were in the show. Not counting the movies. The kids in my school were not counting movies to play fair since digimon had 1 movie to pokemon's 4-5 movies at that time.
Tai punching Red was so in character, since in Digimon, the kids would punch a lot, especially Tai and Matt
I'd like more people to remember that Marcus exists...
I was bout to say let's not forget Marcus/Masaru
@@AaronGanaronMarcus would punch Red AND Charizard
@@ipacklunches pretty sure Marcus could 1 tap both of them if he wanted to
And don't forget jumping on a Bakemon and beating him with his bare fists.
“I don’t think Red is going to attack Tai.”
Well, you weren’t wrong😂
Tai was kinda a bully... but he used his powers for good, eventually!
@@TnT_F0X i saw it less him being a bully and more not realizing the stakes in his situation
I think he thought he was the invincible main character in a video game and it wasn't until the skullgreymon event that he realized that it wasn't a game and "if you die in the game, you die in real life"
Though thats just my interpretation
Unlike pokemon trainers, the Digi Destined were happy to throw hands from time to time.
@@hallofguns8174 Unlike pokemon trainers the digi destined were close to death at least once per fight
@@naokaderapider4210 And that is why Digimon is superior.
Something that they glossed over for digimon is that in several of the games, digivolving restores their hitpoints and mp/mana in addition to increasing their base stats. So if they were using game logic here, Augumon would literally be healing off all damage dealt each time, making the fight even more busted.
Non-Canon
Game mechanics
@@DIEFORME173 they said "if they were doing it based on the games" genius
@@yummynubs3646 responding to a 2 year old comment doesn’t make you smart plus I’ve learned more about Digimon over the years
To be honest while Pokemon and Digimon have a lot of cosmetic similarities, in terms of structure, power levels and plot Digimon is probably overall a better comparison to Dragon Ball Z than it is to Pokemon
Everyone copied DBZ
@@theduckgoesmoo Digimon came out in the same era of dragon ball. They are both original.
@@donflamingo5685 Dragonball came out around a decade before Digimon.
@@RippahRooJizah really? Das wild. Still Dragon ball and digimon are so different it's like comparing avocados to pineapples.
@@donflamingo5685 I am just saying that DB had been out a while before Digimon.
The thing were they went "Wait he just digivolved" was a reference to the controversy Mega Evolution faced when it was first revealed for Gen 6, when people called it a rip-off of Digimon with the temporary changes to more powerful forms. While people came to love Mega Evolution calling it a digimon ripoff was very common in the months leading up to the games release.
I loved how after all the time people called Digimon a clone and then Pokemon LITERALLY ripped *them* off. Also to Kyle, who came first? Tamagatchi. Technically Digimon actually came out first but Pokemon was considered better by the masses due to it's perfected formula. DIgimon had an identity crisis at first but came into its own. Digimon is the better anime and story but Pokemon is the better game, though I beg to differ.
@@TheBlackAntagonist pokemon came out first how they ripp them off
@@yarc9 because digimons entire thing for transformations was a temporary, stronger form, that they revert from when the battle ended. Exactly what mega evolution is, a stronger, temporary form that they revert from once battle ends or they are knocked out. Not hard to see how people would call it a rip off of digimon.
@@grandwarriorwaluigi1284 they didn't ripped them off they take inspiration from the competition
@@yarc9 tamagatachi(digimon's forefather) 1990, Pokemon 1996
The whole monster and evolution thing is basically the only thing digimon has in common with Pokemon. One main difference is that digimon rarely have thematic evolution lines and any given digimon could have dozens of potential evolution choices. And that’s not even taking into account fusion. Plus, as shown in the Death Battle, Digimon as a whole as a lot stronger than Pokemon.
I grew up with this show and knew it would be a slaughter. Metal Greymon alone completely outclassed Mega Charizard. Not to mention he technically had one more form they did not bring up. War Greymon can combine with an equally powerful Digimon called Metal Garurumon to become the all powerful Omni-mon. But it was a one-on-one-ish fight so no merging this time, not that he even needed to.
Also, unlike pokemon trainers, the Digi Destined had no problems personally throwing down when needed.
All Powerful? No. I can think of at least 10 other digimon that could wipe the floor canonically with Omnimon (excluding the X-Antibody ver). The 7 Deadly Sin Digimon would win (royal knights often fought together vs them), Eosmon (Mega) Won, Alphamon is stronger, Jesmon/Jesmon GX, Armageddemon beat it, thus by proxy so should Arcadiamon Ultra, Daemon Ultra, it's almost a given GraceNovamon would win. That's at least 14.
But otherwise agreed with what you said.
@@katomamundara8106 Fair enough. It has been a while for me so I forgot a few things.
@@katomamundara8106 too be fair, Omnimon was no longer in his prime when fighting Eosmon (Mega) as they've lost the infinite potential of Tai and Matt when they were younger. It was like Mike Tyson picking a fight with someone after he just got out of prison.
@@YunoGasaiMC2012 That is the most contrived nonsensical thing I've heard, and if it's not confirmed elsewhere I'd call you insane.
what about agumon final form
Digimon wasn't made to rip-off Pokemon, it was made to succeed Tagamotchi. They wanted to target older kids. They started as toys, like Tagamotchi. Only they added one particularity with the Digimon Tagamotchi-like toys: The ability to fight other Digimon.
Once that became famous, they decided to make an anime. And oh boy! It was amazing!
I hope that I got that right.
@Rage Kage
Ah! Well, I guess you know more. Still, I almost got it right.
They supposed to target older kids, but here in my country Singapore younger kids buy them instead. I still have the 1st gen digivice 3 of them actually, they were sold cheaper than tagamotchi and it get so famous that Toys"R"us have put 2 staffs at the Digivice section because every children want to grab that transparent edition digivice. And then Pokemon blue and red came along and the trend war begins. After awhile pokemon game on gameboy kinda slow down and that is when Digimon World for the PS1 make a comeback, but yeah the anime doesn't last very long tho after Digimon Frontier. Pokemon became too big at that point
Red is actually in his early 20’s as of today. Also canonically never speaks in the games. Probably because he was living on top of a frozen mountain for a few years but that’s neither here nor there
How are those two things connected?
@@theduckgoesmoo presumably due to him being alone for so long he didn’t need to use his vocal chords at all. Eventually his Pokémon followed his commands just by instincts or very minor gestures. He also may not have very strong social skills so it’s possible he just has crazy social anxiety and just chooses to be mute.
@@theduckgoesmoo red does talk im sure. also red couldnt ever win. because digimon are empowered by those crests. tai being courage.
so long as tai holds courage agumon can fight and fight. also red went to the mountain because: no one is even worthy enough.
he beat every gym leader with ease. defeated the elite 4. all in a row without taking a break. took down giovanni the mob boss.. and made him rethink his life.
yes giovanni straight up went : am i a bad guy? and left rocket. red caught and documented all 151 pokemon. before he went: and nobody can keep up. not even blue. his arch rival.
@@miciso666 red has only talked once in pokemon masters, it's funny because he says why he doesn't talk "words just aren't necessary"
Broomstick: He’s greeted by a bouncing pink blob that can talk.
Koromon: I’m you friend!
Duck: *Didn’t heard Boomstick because he was talking.* They can talk?!?
Oh I heard him
The digivolution levels are:
- Baby (when they just born from the egg
- In-training (when they slowly start developing limbs or inteligence like Koromon
- Rookie (their child form like Agumon)
- Champion (their adult form)
- Ultimate (like a more powerfull and develop adult form)
- Mega (their last stage and ultimate form)
In the original japanese version they are called: Fresh or Baby Level 1, Baby Level 2, Child, Adult, Perfect and Ultimate (which makes sense If you think about It)
Yep and they are always in a state of death and rebirth
Once they reach that final form they eventually die and become an egg again
still the Perfect and Ultimate doesnt make sense, Perfect shouldnt have anything after it
@@BKsunstar thats a translation though
What makes sense in the original language might not make sense once translated
@@mrroboshadow so you say they dont understand the meaning of being perfect?
@@BKsunstar im saying the japanese language is rife with different meanings depending on context
so you cant rely on a translation and say "oh that doesnt make sense in english so its dumb hurr durr"
Well, the Digimon anime did come out after the Pokemon anime, but Digimon is hardly a "knock-off" of Pokemon, the only thing they really have in common is the "mon" in their title (which stands for Monster) and the concept of creatures transforming into other creatures. But all in all, they are different in pretty much every other aspect. Although, i do think the argument is valid that Digimon probably partially did try to profit off of the Pokemon hype a bit, though as said, they have differenciated themselves from one another heavily.
(Also, they are doing "Red" and not "Ash", cause Red is the official protagonist of the first Pokemon game, and therefore older than Ash).
I mean they were always pretty different
Pokemon is a video game all about collecting all the different creatures
Digimon started out as a virtual pet toy with a focus on raising 1 creature
While they both had a emphasis on battle and transformations their, for lack of a better word, core concept was always pretty different
At this point, everybody is older than Ash 😅
I thought Digimon came out before pokemon in Japan, However Pokemon came out in the U.S. before Digimon?
I mean, them not having much in common is only partially accurate. When Digimon was being thought up, it was originally being designed as "Tamagotchi but for boys", however when they saw how much Pokemon was taking off they tried to shift into a pseudo-"Pokemon Knock-Off", in the sense that they tried to change their marketing to come across as being more similar to Pokemon. Additionally, many of their products tried to mimic Pokemon more, including the toys, anime and video games. While they're still very different in a lot of ways, they absolutely tried to ride the Pokemon hype train, and it's probably fortunate they did considering Digimon is still around, meanwhile I have a feeling not many kids even know what a Tamagotchi is anymore.
I also don't mean this to disparage Digimon either, I still quite like some of the games, but I think if they didn't try to mimic Pokemon and just resigned themselves to being an alternate Tamagotchi they wouldn't have gone on to have such a long and noteworthy legacy in gaming.
@@dylanjohnston4388 No, the Pokemon franchise is older than the Digimon franchise in both cases. The Pokemon anime first aired about a year and a half before the Digimon anime aired, and the first Pokemon game also got released about one year before the first Digimon virtual pet was released.
"You'd think charizard would be taller than that." *RIGHT?!* even when I was younger I questioned that.
Pokemon sizes get weird, like the 5 foot tall SPIDER.
What gets me is the teeny, tiny, completely useless wings. Unless Charizard blasts flames out its rear end for propulsion and only uses its wings to stabilize and steer, they're really, really stupid.
@@PissedGrunty or a massive balloon
@@theduckgoesmoo now we need to see gigantamax Charizard vs Omnimon
@@coolbone6177 That would be an even *worse* curbstomp than *this* fight was. The power difference between WarGreymon & Omni/Omegamon is downright absurd, and WarGreymon was still massive overkill against even Mega Charizard X (hell, MetalGreymon alone, who is explicitly stated to possess firepower equivalent to *a nuclear warhead* of all things, would have been more than enough to take out Charizard [both normal Charizard & Mega Charizard!). Gigantamax Charizard would simply be one huge (and far slower) target. And if they actually used Omni/Omegamon, they would very likely find a way to use Omni/Omegamon X, who explicity has an attack called "All Delete" which can erase and then rebuild the entire Digital World all at once. Gigantamax Charizard has *nothing* on power of that scale.
Fun fact: this was the episode that got them thinking about making deaths that match more with the series that the characters are from rather than just being brutal
I mean, Tai does technically have a body count under his name.
Red is the trainer you play as in the first pokemon games, he got his own little anime spinoff series called pokemon origins. it only had 4 episodes though.
It was a single movie in Japan
Could also say he didn't need more episodes to beat the league and catch al 151 pokemon tho xD
This episode has revealed how duck treats his friends: he’d rather them exist and not actually talk to him. (This is a joke)
He doesn't want his monster to be a friend, he wants his monster to be a slave.
Good one but it's sad how in 2021 we should clarify that something like this is a joke as if it's not a given xD. I also do that.
But what if he's actually a Viridian trainer
" _Why would they pick Red and not Ash?_ "
Because Ash sucks as a trainer. The only pokemon "trainer" worse than him is Rusty.
well Red is technically the main character in the Pokemon media. from the games, since the original name for him is Red and he appears many times in other games like Sun and Moon and Masters, the manga and even specials. Red is just a better trainer since he is us in a sense.
Ash is still sucking atm? I have seen some of his early plunders but by now he should be alright, isnt it?
@@wanttogetfood he won a league in sun and moon and now has a dragonite, lucario, gengar, dracovish and galar farfetchd on his team
To be fair Rusty has managed to destroy a forest at least. He might be the worst trainer, but he has a flair for destruction that Red and Ash both lack
In my eyes, "Ash" is just one representation of Red. Ash is the "Red" of his timeline.
Pokémon were designed for competitions, Digimon were more designed for war, they literally get stronger by killing other Digimon and absorbing their data; both are great shows but there is a fundamental difference in the intended purpose behind the two (companionship vs combat)
Plus one is a show essentially about just ticking boxes on a chore list
And the other has an actual plot that actually has pacing and character arcs
Eh, absorbing data for power really became a power in I want to say Frontier? I think it was in Tamers too but fell out of focus. IN general though gaining strength through battle was a thing since the original V-Pets, I will give.
@@katomamundara8106 Tamers, not Frontier.
Just so you know, it doesn't matter much which came first because Digimon was based on Tamagotchi. The mon in the end of their names is just an abbreviation of "monsters", and it's the only real similarity.
Something to note about Digimon. Unlike the majority of Pokemon, Digimon evolution lines branch out and overlap basic in their personality and environment. The Death Battle briefly mentioned how Greymon transformed into SkullGreymon instead of MetalGreymon, but much more than "Good or Evil" forms.
For ex: Agumon can not only grow to became Greymon, but is also became a Tyrannomon (a red dinosaur), a Meramon (a human-like guy made of fire), or a Birdramon (a giant fire bird ) And each of those have like 2 to 4 have their own evolution branches.
there's also cases of multiple digimon evolving into the SAME forms but i don't really understand them
@@danielwilson8604 I'm not too clear on this, but I think it's a carry over from the Digimon card game, where Digimon were grouped up into different Fields/Families based on what type of Digimon they are, and Digimon who share a Field/Family with each other can evolve into the same forms. For example, plant based Digimon like Palmon and Lalamon can both evolve into Togemon.
@@thedothackerkeyblademaster It's the same thing in the new card game, except divided into color like in MTG. However, there can be multiple versions of the same digimon. There's a yellow Agumon, a green Agumon and a Black Agumon.
Or Geo Greymon
@@thedothackerkeyblademaster Not just the card game. Digimon was made by the company who made Tamagochis because they were mainly popular with girls, but they wanted to sell to boys too, so they just made "Tamagochi, but they fight" and that became Digimon. Digimon was first a virtual pet on a keychain just like Tamagochis and depending on how well you treated them and took care of them, they would evolve into different forms. And sometimes multiple digimon could evolve into the same digimon if you treated them differently. The Fields/Families of the Digimon are also a carryover from that. They basically had different "Tamagochis" which digivolved into different digimon. So the black toy would be mostly about ghosts and evil creatures, the red one would be mostly about dragons and so on.
12:12 Duck...
Would you rather have a Pikachu saying pika pika... or having Ryan Reynolds voice coming from him?
That is not a fair comparison and you know it
If you needed any more incentive to watch Digimon, there is a giant cactus with boxing gloves called Togamon.
Sold
@@theduckgoesmoo Victory!
@@theduckgoesmoo YES!
Don't forget about Panchoman. The other digimon that's a cactus that has a hat and a poncho.
She can even evolve into Rosemon, a waifu.
red didn't just try to catch mewtwo he caught him.
as for digimon it was out in america in the 90's. I should know being a 90's kid back in the day. also the channel was called fox kids.
btw next one is dante vs bayonetta.
Yay my favorite is next!
@@hallofguns8174 same here. I love devil may cry!
@@ryokeatoyomi3977 of the ones I have played, 4 is my favorite.
I was a 90s kid! I've never heard of fox kids before
@@theduckgoesmoo when I say 90's kid I was kinda pretraining to those that watched old cartoon channels back then. like on cartoon network, nickalodeon, fox kids, 4kids (yu gi oh abridged referenced them), kids WB, disney, and the list goes on. crazy thing is at a young age I started watching adult swim.
Fun fact: Wargreymon isn't even Agumon's strongest form. If he fuses with his rival Metalgarurumon they form Omnimon, who outclasses Wargreymon so much it's not even funny.
I loved digimon as a kid and the outcome of this fight was in no way shape or form a surprise digimon are nuts. It was a really cool show.
Charizard doesnt have weapon
They never have been the same. I was sold on the franchise as soon as I heard they were able to talk.
Some of the Pokemon clips used in this were from Pokemon Origins, a small series on UA-cam based off of The Pokemon Red and Blue games
I have never heard of that before
@@theduckgoesmoo it was made back in 2013 which was also around the time that Pokemon X and Y (Generation 6) were released which was where mega evolution became a thing
My friend for the longest time was like everyone else who thought Digimon was a rip off till i showed her Cyber sleuth and lost her mind. Really only thing they have in common is the mon in their names. Also pokemon has one cannonical god and it's three children while digimon has whole pantheons, it's crazy how much they can do with their monsters and designs
The main difference is that in Pokemon, trainers fight for fun, where in Digimon, the kids are fighting for their lives and eventually, the whole world...
pokemon can talk to - you just need subtitles to understand them ;/ just doesn't matter much when you beat them senseless and force them into tiny little balls :P
mfg
Olli
And break their legs
I mean in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon they can talk, but no humans live there at all, Detective Pikachu where Tim visit Ryme City in the game and movie, meets up with Pikachu.
@@theduckgoesmoo then there is Meowth from team rocket, setting an example proving that pokemon can learn to talk like humans. there was also a Ghastly in one episode and then there are pokemon who can use telepathy and some who naturally speak like humans...
Digimon came first, as a digital pet.
Oh??
No it didn't, it was a digital pet but it came out in 1997 while Pokemon came out in 1996
@@Nogalation yup just looked it up, I was so certain it came first, dunno why.
@Krystian Zięba digimon it competion cause pokemon is bigger
Digimon did technically come first, i the form of a Tamagotchi spinoff known simply as "Digital Monster."
It didn't. Pokemon Red and Green came out in Japan in February of 1996, while the first Digimon V-Pet (the Tamagochi Spin-Off) came out in June 1997, so about a year after Pokemon. Though Digimon was brought overseas first in some regions of the world, but ORIGINALLY, Pokemon came out about a year earlier than Digimon.
2:20 "Also Why are they doing Red and not Ash?"
Because Ash is terrible. He can master an entire region and then step foot onto another and lose to a level 3 bird he never saw before. Ash has no strategy, he just slowly memorizes every pokemon until he knows how to counter. Anything new destroys him.
At least he became competent enough to become the champion of Alola
After...20-ish years
@@itsturniptime3699 and if i was that champion id pack up and retire somewhere far away where no one will find out i lost to a kid who, to name just one choice moment of stupidity, thought using tackle on a gengar was a great idea
@@mrroboshadow well at the time there was no champion. There was a tournament to create the first Alola champion where I think the top trainers were Guzma, a crime boss, Professor Kukui, the stand-in champion in the games, and Ash.
Ash and Pikachu managed to beat Kukui while he was using the full power of Tapu Koko, and generally Ash has been fairly powerful ever since.
His new Gen 8 team is already really strong, now consisting of Dragonite, Gengar, Lucario, Sirfetch’d, and a Dracovish, And now he’s competing in the World Tournament where thousands of trainers from all over fight for the number one spot.
After beating his former companion Iris and her Haxorus, I think Ash is now in the top 100 and now has to face the other Champions and any other elite trainers.
The kid’s really grown and while he is still and dunce now and then, he’s significantly better than he was a few years back.
@@itsturniptime3699 except all the people hes competeing against are all relatively inexperienced
He had 20 years and like 8 regions to perfect his dumbass self
To put it in other terms, its not impressive that the kid who was held back 5 times knows more than his classmates
No, Ash is underrated and honestly Red is overrated
"i don't like digimon can toalk"it's literally what makes them better than all Pokemon. they are living beings with feelings and emotions that interface as humans with whom they grow and help them grow. they are not animals
Pokemon: A battle royale between trainers and the Pokemon Gyms.
Digimon: 7 kids get transported to a new world and meet their Digimon partner. These 7 kids must learn to overcome their differences, put aside their traumatic backstories, and learn to cooperate with one another in order to defeat the ultimate evil threatening to enslave the Digimon and also threatening to destroy the human world.
02:20 "Why are they doing Red and not Ash?"
The poor man. He has no idea...This video is going to be amazing.
12:02 - 12:13 Kyle is against Digimon rights confirmed.
I still aks me why they didn't go Ash vs Tai who came from the Anime, or Red vs Mameo who were the first protagonist of the games.
Knowing that mameo now a day has 2 partner instead of one make the answer a bit more obvious but worse both is partners are piwer house once evolved, metal Mamemon and machinedramon, Tai compared to mameo was much more tame
Ash is the anime's version of Red.
in Digimon, there are death counts on both the monsters and human. Not sure about Pokemon thou.
When Digimon fights, its often a fight to the death, and the "partner" (aka trainer) are physically involved in the fight too sometimes and had to literally fight alongside their digimon.
I think that's what put Digimon on higher level than Pokemon (story-wise).
I know Pokemon have a couple deaths.
Honestly, I wouldn't say death (or the lack thereof) is what makes a good story, it's the use of consequences and stakes.
Why are they using Red and not Ash?
Red:
1: a canonical champion
2: Protagonist of the first game
3: secret boss of Pokemon gold and silver(very hard)
4: Was made even harder in the remakes
5: a reocurring post main game boss
6: Canonical strongest trainer
7: Defeated and caught Mewtwo
Ash:
1: Notorious for losing repeadedly
2: forgetfull (forgets typing, weaknesses and all his skills and tricks with almost every new season)
3: has a poorly optimized team with weaker pokemon than red
4: known for not defeating champions
5: featured only in one pokemon game(technically)
6: His Charisard won't obey him
7: failed to defeat Mewtwo
Ash's Charizard listens to him now.
I'm pretty sure now Ash is canonically better than red, he became the world champion defeating 3 regional champs in a row (Steven, Cynthia, and Leon) and he also became the Alola region's first ever champion. Also his final team before his character's retirement is way more optimized and can use almost every current gimmick the pokemon franchise has come up with at this point. His Lucario can mega evolve, his Gengar can gigantamax, and Pikachu can use the Z-Move 10 million volts. oh and as for the 6th point you gave Ash's Charizard has been obeying him since season 2....which was well over 20 years ago even when you commented this.
Pokemon is about sport, Digimon is about bringing balance to the force in isekai setting, also Red is what Ash wants to be so hes far better trainer and Ash`s bond is strongest with Pikachu who doesnt wanna evolve and is just one of strongest pokemon at his level
EDIT: now might be perfect time to react to Digimon series :D
A much better comparison than Pokemon would probably be Dragon Ball, with the Digi-Destined and their Digimon being analogous to the Z Fighters
"Two in a right!" XD
Congrats, dude! Let's hope this is the new streak!
10 right in a row???
@@theduckgoesmoo YOU CAN DO IT!
@@theduckgoesmoo it’s the universe’s way of balancing your loss streak
@@varietyspiderpage Don't jinx it.
One other big diff between the franchises is that Digimon started as V-pets, heck, it came out before Pokémon in Japan but was delayed on getting here till Pokémon went off. Also raising is an even BIGGER deal in Digimon then it is in Pokémon because of that V-pet origin and the fact that you don't catch Digimon, you raise them from an egg and all your care choices influence what your Digimon's next evo is.
Pokemon Red and Green came out February 1996 in Japan, the first Digimon V-Pet came out in June 1997. So no, Pokemon still came first by about a year in Japan.
Honestly they also undersold a few of Agumon's feats. A Champion mind you is basically equivalent to ANY fully Evolved Pokemon. At most, a LOW TIER Ultimate is equal to any Legendary in Pokemon in terms of destructive force. Agumon (the 'standard' form) by end of Season 1 could beat some Champions (Standard+1 Form) and knock around upgraded/enhanced Champions during Tri. During the OVA (the part with little kid Tai and his sister) Greymon was already capable of nuking a Parrotmon - an ULTIMATE (albeit, this isn't entirely fair as it doesn't retain this power during the series proper and the OVA was retconned into the anime canon). WarGreymon's Dramon Killers do SEVERE upgrades in damage, WarGreymon could slice through any Mega Level Dragon-type (even if they were machine based like Mugendramon/Machinedramon) with RELATIVE ease. They ain't vorpal (guaranteed kill), but the moment WarGreymon came out it was beyond overkill.
Also, not mentioned but is canonically part of Agumon's 'evolution line', it has 2 unmentioned FURTHER Mega Forms, through Combination (Gattai) Digivolution. Omegamon/Omnimon and Omegamon Alter-S/Omnimon Alter-S, which the former contain the power to slightly read the future, the Omega/Omni inFORCE, and thus predict any of their foe's actions while drawing out his full combat potential. The later presumably has it too as it's noted to have all the capabilities of the original Omnimon. To note, it says Agumon survived fighting 1 million of a digimon (which is a Mega Level) and was lucky to take out a handfull. Omnimon wiped out hundreds of thousands of that digimon in a single swing, to give you an idea of the power difference.
Digimon will always be my favorite between the two. I loved this video to show just how the skill range is way different between the two
I feel old cuz Dante vs Bayonetta was the most recent DB when i got into it 😣
ITS SO GOOD
Yeah, this was tough to see Charizard lose but I was always a Venusaur kid who liked Digimon. I mean this was the franchise where you could have a talking cat that became an angel... who had to have inspired Victoria's Secret Runways, rained down celestial light and got into a literal catfight with LadyDevimon lol.
I think the franchises spoke more for what kids may want. Pokemon is about wanting to be the best and collect all these cool creatures. Digimon though was more about facing the world with a friend who you grew stronger with over time to the point the third season, Tamers, involved unlocking mega forms by having the kids combine with their partners.
The crazy thing is that, over the last few years, Agumon has gotten even crazier in forms.
Aside from the Omnimon digivolutions, we also have Metalgreymon''s Alterous mode, BlitzGreymon and a weird form of Machinedramon. Then there's last evolution where we see Agumon's final form which is on the same power level as Omnimon if not more.
"Why start with Red and not Ash?" Well you see, you gotta start with the original. Red came before Ash. The game came before the show. The main character of pokemon Red was well... Red.
Yeah my point exactly
Then why they didn't do the same with Digimon a put Mameo/Hiro?
@@veneroluigi8157 The digimon V-Tamer manga started 2 months before Digimon world, so if we go by that logic It should be the V-Tamer Taichi, which has a naturally evolved Ulforceveedramon as a partner. It'd make it way, WAY more overkill.
@@veneroluigi8157 Because Tai is a pretty good tamer and Red is supposed to be a great Trainer. Ash is an idiot. 20 years in he's still regularly surprised that water types are strong against fire.
@@EskChan19 1 year late replying but even when you commented this Ash was officially the strongest trainer in the anime and won the pokemon world championships, beating Steven, Cynthia, and Leon. Also he hasn't been surprised about type matchups like that since the unova anime, which was like 10 seasons before they retired his character, He's a lot smarter than you give him credit for.
You need to start watching Digimon, this reaction is priceless 😂
In Digimon the human characters and their Digimon partners had to go through life and death situations throughout the show plus they had to face some very powerful enemies
Hell in the 4 season of digimon the main enemy was named Lucemon who is basically a digimon version of Lucifer.
I Want Lucemon In Battle Spirit 2.5!In The Game I Got 1600 Orbs With ExAgunimon!Imagine Lucemon's Devilish Power!I'd Get 2000 Orbs On Extreme Mode!MAKE IT BAMCO!!!!!NOW!!!!!!
Duuude, I can't believe you've never watched Digimon, you're missing out..haha, the first two series were classics. The third series, Tamers, was amazing too, it got super dark for a kid's show. Series 4 was a bit meh, and series 5 was good imo but nearly killed the show since it was unpopular in the US..lol, and the reboot they're doing now is pretty amazing, as were the sequel movies to the original series.
he has a sheltered life look at the series he knows
People are really underselling ash just because they pick out a couple of moments in black and white or whatever whilst ignoring his unorthodox improv strategies that throw opponents off, the fact he had a Mythic & ultra beast and fusion
and focused more on the social aspect of pokemon. he also wasn't afraid to throw hands to defend his pokemon
@@danielwilson8604 he also might have aura which may have influenced the fact he's the only one who has fusion
Oh, the black guy is Torrian and he was the show's only 3D animator until season 6 when the SFM team came along.
They had different animators starting with season 5. Torrian trained them and had nothing to with the SFM team.
Ah Digimon, the show was so cool, which was licensed to Fox Kids back in the day, the memories, and Ash was based on Red who is the OG trainer in Pokémon, when you fight him in the sequel, it's a big deal.
The next episode will feature
* Lackluster research
* Botched verdict
* ...and possibly the 2nd or 3rd best animation the show ever had
In almost every situation a digimon that's allowed to digivolve will beat a pokemon that's allowed to use everything a pokemon has, Gigantamax and all.
There are some outliers like Babamon just it's just a rule of thumb.
My favorite part is you learning about these franchises
Aww I'm glad you enjoy it too!
The Pokémon series they used is called Pokémon origins, it a pretty small series following the character red from the Pokémon games as far as I’m aware
I never thought about it until fairly recently, but technically yeah, Digimon is an Isekai anime. And the first three seasons of it are much better than any season of the Pokemon anime IMO. It can get surprisingly dark for an anime meant for kids, especially in the third season.
Hey I figured out something fast!
Also Digimon technically came before Pokémon.
"Why Red and not Ash?" Three simple reasons; 1: Red was first, as the only player character of the first games, 2: is more commonly connected to Charizard than Ash is, and 3: Has access to Mega Evolution.
Side Note: I recommend actually watching Digimon. Despite the name and evolution focus, the two franchises are nothing alike.
@@AutumnWoodham of course
Ash has a Greninja that can transform into Ash Greninja Lol
@@HelenaSan425 exactly
@@HelenaSan425 A: Not Mega Evolution B: Not as iconic as Charizard
so the fun thing with digimon is that they aren't heavily censored most of the time like yugioh and pokemon. (look up deputymon) This leads to quite a few of the human main characters getting into scraps. Heck there is one protag who literally punches multiple enemy digimon while being 100% human.
Digimon has had its fair share of either censorship or just plain old script changes causing the localization to make things take on an altered tone.
At least Sistermon Ciel became a thing as an attempt to avoid potential issues.
ah yes, Marcus Damon punching creatures 10 times his size
1) red should have already stopped when he noticed greymon already had a trainer óO - he went full team rocket there...
2) look up the japanese or german digimon intros to cure you from this trauma :P - I thought it was a joke when I found a video once comparing the intros for different languages and all (germany/japan,etc) had for each season a unique intro and fighting theme and all you got is that "jingle"... every season...
3) they skipped metal greymon - well technically there were a lot of other forms too and fusions and stuff so red got lucky to only getting vaporized :P
mfg
Olli
Having a trainer doesn't stop Pokemon trainers from fighting. If they spot you they will start a battle.
2:00, No that's not Godzilla, that's the Rhedosaurus from 'The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms', the movie that directly inspired the creation of Godzilla
Lol imagine if it was Red vs vs tai(2020).
red would get stomped literally
That pokemon anime that is mostly shown here is 90 minutes long special (4 episode in separate) that tells the story from Red and Blue games, and mix together the current state of pokemon with mega evolutions. Character red is the original trainer name for some of the early pokemon games.
Well than how about Digimon Adventure for your next reaction series? (just don't watch English dub, they put so much unnecessary jokes in the dialog, it's sickening)
I am sick and tired of people saying that Digimon was a cheap knock-off! Yes, they both end with Mon, becouse that simply is the short term for Monster!
Poket Monsters.
Digital Monsters!
I'm not sure how copyright would work and I have many months of my hero left
The English Dub is great
Fun fact, digimon was released first as tamagachi game before pokemon was even a thing, so no it's not a god damed rip off
@@rogerprovencio2251 yeah no. Digimon came out before as little portable pet games
If I wanted to make a game, I'd get on Dreams and make one, the only hard part is watching all the tutorial videos
What is dreams
@@theduckgoesmoo a PS4 and PS5 game that's actually a crazy amount of development tools to create and share games and experiences; even if you don't create a thing, you can go play other people's creations, often called Dream Surfing; even better is the fact that it's VR compatible, anyone can make their own VR game which is absolutely crazy when you think about it. Some creations are pretty basic, some are ridiculously complex and detailed; some are goofy, some are serious, and some are scary enough flat, much less in VR
In Digimon they have stages starting from In Training, Rookie, Champion, Ultimate, and Mega
If you want to experienced Digimon, there is the Digimon Adventure 2020 (which is the reboot of the first anime) and is recomended watch on sub since is better to understand and there is no dub anyway.
If he is going to watch it he should watch the OG series not the rebooted version
Thinking about it now, I would have loved it if instead of tai, it was Marcus… it would have been a much shorter but much funnier fight, since marcus would just immediately start wailing on Charizard and then once agumon digivolved, Marcus would just move on to red and kick his ass too
Also if you watched digimon you'd know tai isn't afraid to throw hands
Digimon came out in 97 and Pokemon in 96. Both played on Fox kids in the 90s and aired at the same time.
This one is one of my favourites. The kill was so brutal. While I'm a fan of both now, I'll still always prefer pokemon so I can't deny it still hurts, but it was such a good fight.
I remember that I left one of the many salty comments on there. It was on an old account that I don't remember the name of so I can't find it, but I do wonder how many people have seen it and cringed at it. I know I certainly would.
Oof it's okay though
Glad to see you back on the right track Kyle
The Japanese music score for Digimon is so so good. I get, that the English localization wakes a lot of nostalgia for people, but as I grew up with the German version, which kept the original music, I can't help but find the Digimon rap a bit cringe inducing.
Either way the series is worth a watch and most the games are worth looking into as well. Most people outside the fandom probably don't even know that Digimon is getting a revival atm with new seasons/roboots and games out or on the horizon.
To be fair, anime was very new in the 90s to mainstream audiences. 4kids changed the theme songs to get people to watch it because it was so different from what they were used to (and sadly heavily sanitized it likely due to parental concerns and what could be shown on kids television. Xmen the animated series almost didn't air because they thought it was too adult and kids wouldn't like it which they were obviously proven wrong). So 4kids leaned heavily into 90s culture to get viewers. To their credit it worked. I remember their english openings that grabbed my attention when I was young. Unfortunately as anime grew more popular, 4Kids kept the sanitation of their properties as the real japanese versions uncut started appearing showing how much better the original content was and never realized that American kids were ready and eager to learn about other cultures and wouldn't be turned off just because the themesong was in a different language or wasn't set in America.
i should clarify something, it wouldn't have changed the outcome, but all jokes aside, pokemon aren't really 'slaves'. actually keeping pokemon as slaves is one of the reasons team rocket is considered so evil, and poaching is still considered a crime in the show and game.
there's a reason you can't catch a Pokémon if it's fainted, it has to choose to come with you, as explained in both the show and recent detective Pikachu movie. while they can't really include it as a gameplay feature for balance reasons, both the show and film (and flavor text in the game) reveal Pokémon can and do walk away from trainers who disappoint them (the first marowak we ever saw actually did this). Although they DO have a mechanic that Pokémon who don't respect you will do whatever they want instead of working with you.
benching and trading pokemon is more akin to organizing or trading players in a baseball leauge.
That capture explanation doesn't make any sense, though. Because Pokemon can run away from you, and to capture it you have to weaken it, and will try to escape.
@@RippahRooJizah They can run away, which means the ones that DON'T are choosing to give you a try. And yes they try to escape, but that's part of the test of strength. it's why you can't catch them when they're unconscious or incapable of fighting back.
@@danielwilson8604 I am not seeing your line of reasoning fully. You say test of strength... but that is somehow negated by getting knocked unconscious? But not by incapacitation? And you have balls with higher catch rates, which certainly doesn't fit in with the while test of strength line of reasoning. What about using a Master Ball? That is to avoid a test of strength altogether. And you say the Pokemon choose to go with you but... if that was really the case, why bother with pokeballs in battle? Even in lore Pokemon didn't always require the balls, in the distant past there were no balls. Maybe the balls are to make things easier? Where is the test of strength in that.
Let's not forget the safari zone. No real test in strength in throwing rocks at a Pokemon or baiting them.
@@RippahRooJizah yeah, i'm not sure how the safari zone fits in. but the official statement is that you can't catch an unconscious pokemon because it can't choose to follow you in that state. only a conscious pokemon can make that choice. Otherwise you could just abduct any pokemon you beat unconscious. Pokeballs are used for easy transportation and to conserve their energy, like buses for athletes.
Plus pokeballs with various catch rates are said by in game text to be better suited to carrying certain pokemon, like the luxury ball. With that in mind It's likely used to entice them.
@@danielwilson8604 It can't choose to follow you if it is too weak to escape from the Pokeball as well.
Pokeballs as transportation is one thing, I am concerned over their in battle use, though. Even your explanation on the different balls don't fit with the notion that fighting Pokemon is a "test of strength". You are just capturing them. For what reason, it varies. It all kinda sounds like justifying game mechanics that can't be fully explained as is.
I love this video it's so funny for me who grew up with both to see someone like you react :D Now I want you to react to the original Digimon show :D
Pokemon came first but Digimon was inspired by Tamagatchi.
Also, I would love to talk about Digimon all day, but since you probably won't read this, I'll just leave this comment in case anyone is interested.
Digimon is one of those franchises where the description of every individual Digimon makes it sound like the strongest Digimon ever and with the insane abilities most Digimon have, it makes it basically impossible to say who the strongest Digimon is.
There are Digimon like Alphamon who are just literally physically incapable of dying because when he loses time itself rewinds and he keeps all his memories of how he lost to ensure he can win.
And in Digimon any "dead" Digimon is really just turned to data and respawned as an egg, but Alphamon can completely erase that data and just literally erase a Digimon from existence.
Then there's Digimon like Jesmon who have the ability to rewrite the laws of the Digimon World and just become stronger than his enemy regardless who he faces. Literally just an "infinite damage plus one sword" type of Digimon. And then he has two forms ABOVE mega, which mind you is usually the strongest form any Digimon can reach, which are even stronger than his present form.
In regards to Digimon, I can only speak to the first 4 seasons, which are each different series.
Season 1, I'm not the biggest fan, but it's good.
Season 2, I remember being more invested, but I never finished it because the airing was all over the place by the time I got into the series as a kid.
Season 3, fantastic. Many who like digimon cite this season as the best, and I'd say it deserves it, especially with its plot and characters.
Season 4, my introduction to the series, and I'd say I prefer it to the first two seasons, but 3 is still superior to me.
There's, like, 5 other seasons, I think, but I know none of them.
Ok, so there are so many seasons
Digimon Adventure
Digimon Adventure 02
Digimon Tamers
Digimon Frontier
Digimon Savers (Data Squad in America)
Digimon Xros Wars part 1
Digimon Xros Wars part 2
(Both parts adapted in America as Digimon Fusion)
Digimon Xros Wars part 3: Boy Hunters Who Lept Through Time
Digimon Tri
Digimon Universe: Appmon
Digimon Adventure 2020
Red is the default name for the Gen 1 Pokemon games.
So Ash has a the weaker parallel universe version of Red.
The Mega Charizard X is black and blue not gray.
I can’t remember, didn’t he say something about being color blind, I may be think of a different youtube
Does- Does Kyle not know that 75% of legendary Pokemon can talk?
they talk with mental powers, only Pokémon that can with their mouth was Meowth, unless that changed... did it ?
@@BKsunstar did ya see that remake of the first pokemon movie made by nintendo a few years ago? **Spoiler alert**
In the end when Ash gets turned to stone, PIKACHU SOMEHOW FUCKIN SPEAKS PROPER ENGLISH
@@locvo2050 nope never saw it, until now I forgot it was a thing
I feel sorry for any Pokémon only fans that watched this match because all of us that watched both know how massive the power gap really is. Tai and Agumon winning this was no surprise to us it was an inevitable. Seriously the first 13 episodes of Digimon are better than every season of Pokémon combined except for Pokémon Chronicles those were actually good stories of the Pokémon world and would have made me start watching Pokémon again is they had kept making them.
The biggest surprise was that they skipped Metal and went all the way to WarGreymon. Guess they wanted to use the biggest form they had at the time and Metal would have been overkill enough.
Welp, time for you to react to Digimon Adventure Abridged (yes its a thing)
WHY
@@theduckgoesmoo BECAUSE IT WILL AMUSE US lol
Digimon Adventure (series 1) was aired on Fox Kids from 1990-2000 and was on repeat all the time. This was followed by a direct sequel Digimon Adventure 02 (series 2) which ran from 2000-2001, also on Fox Kids. They both also had like 4 movies. But the translators for the English dub spliced the first 3 movies (which were completely different) into one long movie and release it in theaters as Digimon The Movie. It was kind of a big deal. Digimon are fully sapient life forms with their own goals and desires, most are as smart as, or smarter than humans. Many have built societies, living in cities or towns within the digital world, and many even have jobs. They even have their own folklore and religions, featuring multiple divine figures and devils/demon lords. Talking is honestly the least impressive thing about them, most speak multiple languages.
Pokémon: bug+fantasy
Digimon: Godzilla+tamagotchi
It would have been even more one sided if they had included DNA Digivolution.
Not that Agumon's line has any actual DNA/Jogress evos. It uses Combination/Gattai for Omnimon. And yes, there are differences as admitted by Koshiro/Izzy.
"he just kill somebody" yeah and that's not his first blood. digiworld is really deadly
-Which came first, pokemon or digimon?
Digimon's interpretation or tamagotchi (same company) came first.
-Why Red and not Ash?
Because Red is an actually good trainer... Also he's the only protagonist to have Charizard as his main pokemon (except in the manga)
Pokemon came first, Tamagotchi a few months later. However Digimon came to the US before Pokemon with the V pets.
Keep in mind the trainer start out at age 10, so they are pretty short making the pokemon look bigger.
I shouldn't be taller than charizard
@@theduckgoesmoo Well you are, sorry. On the bright side Charizard was taller than you when you were ten.
That’s just an anime exclusive thing. You can get a Pokémon at any age. I mean the protagonists from Black and White were confirmed to be high school age.
What I will say about Digimon that I thought was much better was that aside from Adventure 02(which I hated except for Blackwargreymon) each series followed new protagonists and potentially took place in a different world. For instance in Tamers(3rd season) Adventure and Adventure 02 are just supposed to be shows and Digimon a game however both in the season and in the season movies they have crossover with characters from Adventure(introducing a multiverse aspect).
Pokemon = Better Games
Digimon = Better Anime
i love Ash better
it's available on the pokemon official channel, I think the series is names Pokemon Origins
I'm a bit late, but Digimon was an anime commercial for Bandai's second Virtual pet line: Digimon - Digital Monsters, which predated Pokémon, but gained popularity alongside Pokémon at the same time. Yes they remade Pokémon. Also, new Digimon VPets, TV shows and Video Games are still made to this day. The story of Seasons 1 and 2 were finished with a movie series, the final movie of which was released last year.
That's not quite correct. Pokemon came out in February 1996 while the very first Digimon V-Pets released June 1997. So Pokemon did come before Digimon
@@EskChan19as a brand you can make and argument digimon came out earlier due to some digimon being tomodachi
When it comes to Pokemon and Digimon, Pokemon was more superior in the games and inferior to the anime, whilst Digimon was superior in the anime and lacking a lot in the games. And not to mention, almoat every Digimon are far more powerful than Pokemon. The only Pokemon that can at least go toe to toe with Digimon are the Legendaries, and then that's only pushing it, as there are many Digimon that are far more powerful than even Arceus, the Pokemon god.
That, and the Pokemon anime is boring as hell. Its basically the same thing over and over again, where Satoshi/Ash doesn't even learn feom his mistakes and repeats said mistakes every time he goes to a new region, whilst in Digimon, the human characters grow and develope.
And if people are gonna complain to me that I'm wrong, here's an example: Team Rocket trying, and failing, to catch Pikachu in literally EVERY SINGLE EPISODE. You don't see anything repeat over and over again in Digimon. That, and in Digimon, the stakes are higher and there's more danger, whilst Pokemon rarely have those stakes outside the movies