Just HOW BAD was NYCK DE VRIES in F1?
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- Опубліковано 5 січ 2024
- The latest casualty of the F1 scene is Dutch world champion (FE) Nyck De Vries.
Take a look with me at his career and just what he got up to that led to his replacement, and if it was needeed
Nyck drove for 1 race for Williams in 2022 and then was signed for Alphatauri in 2023 to finally get his shot.
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I think the expectations were too high for him after he scored points in monza 2022
Yeah plus more experience than basically all rookies ever
plus, he chose the wrong team
He just got in one of the worst cars that season xith a stupid guy like Helmut Marko that has high expectations for one of the worst cars on the track 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
He got high expectations in one of the worst cars on track
He really liked to spin 180 de vries.
Should have included thaf
oh bro you're so underappreciated. Here's my like.
The expectation was real. Both, the team and him gave it all. It didn't work out but Nick is a total gentlemen. He left with his head held high and thanked everybody. I have nothing against a man like that.
he was a terrible driver and way too arrogant.
@@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT how was he arrogant?
This guy gets a lot of hate, specially on how Drive to Survive portrayed him but personally I think he needed 1 more year to really get his F1 legs in. Too bad, Redbull is just to demanding.
I don't know, he seemed pretty cocky. Got nothing against him personally, seems like a decent enough guy. But when you talk yourself up over other drivers on the grid, you need to deliver.
@@thesnackbandit when did he talk himself up above other drivers? You can't just say "I don't know". Back up your comments with arguments, facts from a race or an interview.
Yes expectations were high. But entering at 27 having so much experience at lower levels i think the expectations were warranted
His failure was going into the Red Bull Young Driver program. He was barely given a chance and the pressure was unbearable.
The thing I always say with Nyck is that him being kicked out is somewhat harsh but it's not like he's helped his case. I can't really view him as a rookie as well since it's not like he just graduated from the 2022 F2 season. The expectations of him being in FE (a series that needs drivers to be careful about not crashing into each other in narrow circuits) and his racing career and experience were always going to be there, not to mention his age. Yeah we've seen with Alonso and Hamilton that age doesn't matter at that point, but when you're 28 years old and older than more than half the grid including Max, the pressure is always going to be there. His days are already more numbered than other rookies that the series has seen in recent years. Technically, 28 would be around the middle age or lifespan of a driver in F1 already as most drivers we'd consider established in the sport are around that point in their lives.
Though I don't think him moving to Alpha Tauri was a mistake at the time. Because assuming he performs well, he'd have a shot at a Red Bull seat (if Checo retires). He'll probably be number 2 to Verstappen, but that's way higher than Williams will be able to get him. It only became a mistake when Hungary came around and he got dropped.
Yeah just ultimately was going to find it so hard to deliver from day 1
nick would be still in F1 if he went to Williams
My body was ready to watch the entire Melbourne section upside down.
Brilliant
When you listen to his radio you realise he didn't only have a "meh" start, he didn't study. You don't ask for settings and which button to press half way through the year... For me it's mostly because of that he got kicked. That and his f'ing ego.
Sorry but glad he's gone
Exactly this, I know it's after the fact, but him going on about sueing RB for dropping him and his composure afterwards was much to be desired, this what people seem to forget or not notice!
@@RealPercuriouswhere did you get the idea that he was sueing RB?? DeVries got sued, not him sueing his old team :).
I have little doubt that he wouldn't have gotten a full season to prove himself had he just signed with Williams. This is why, at least in Nyck's case, I can't blame Red Bull too much for doing Red Bull things.
100% Williams definitely more forgiving
Rough to say, it was Jost Capitol’s Williams not James Vowles’s Williams. Which was quite a bad team at that time. He would have rough time in Jost team. Both are bad but he probably chose wrong team
Some of these edits and jokes are so on point dude🤣 please keep making these videos with such edits, its amazing and absolutely hilarious😂😂
Thanks yeah, this the style I'm tryna get back to when I started 2 years ago. As I've got more time than last year
@On_Track_91 formula washing machine😂😂🎉
So basically he was slightly better than Ricciardo is doing
I think this season shows a difference between Williams (+Mercedes) and Red bull with how they handle rookies. I would argue Nyck at Alpha Tauri was on level with Logan at Williams, both are rookies, both are in bottom of the barrel cars, and both were easily beat by there teammates. Alpha Tauri Kicked Nyck out before the half way point while Logan completed a full season and is set to have a second. I cant really say which method is better, they both have heavy flaws but at least Williams is forgiving. But Red Bull tends to find better talent. Keep in mind that Hamilton started at Mclaren and according to wikipedia started in the Mclaren Young Driver Programme in 1998. Meanwhile Max was brought into F1 by Toro Rosso.
True, it's definitely two completely different approaches, i feel like red bull is designed to find the best talent whereas the williams merc way is to develop good drivers
Toro Rosso serves as a way to filter drivers for Red Bull. You know that before you sign. It’s hars but it is what it is.
He didnt win FE in his 1st season
he won it in his 2nd season
I know , the way FE seasons are numbered is weird
But regardless of the label, it was in 2021 when he won FE
Things would’ve been better for him had he gone to Williams who supposedly also offered him a full time seat. However, can’t knock him for going to AlphaTauri which was the best option to one day drive a top car.
Had he gone to Williams they’d have been more patient, the knock on effect would’ve meant Lawson probably goes to AlphaTauri and Sargeant would’ve stayed in F2.
Probably yeah, tho idk from Alphatauri perspective why nyck over lawson
@@On_Track_91 back then De Vries was a hotter prospect as he had won FE the year prior and scored a P9 in the dog that was the FW45 (2022 Williams), whereas Lawson had finished P3 in F2 but was very far from Felipe Drugovich in the overall points scored, Drugo dominated, back then I don’t remember Lawson being a serious contender for a seat in F1.
With his performance he would not have lasted long anyway. He got the chance to perform, he failed.
You only have to look at what Liam Lawson did for them few races to see it was the right choice to get rid tbh probably shouldnt have evan got a chance imo
Yeah personally from a RB perspective not aure why they didn't go with Liam straight away
I said it from the start and i will say it again: scoring points at Monza with a Williams that had a tremendous amount of straightline speed, is not an indicator of a great driver. We already saw he had multiple seasons in F2, wasn't that great with his tyres, and always had a bit of that "Better-than-everybody-else" attitude in Dutch interviews. Sure he had a god-awful car in the AT, but Yuki did better & de Vries was just too slow. I'm Dutch myself but i was glad he had to leave. The funny part is that to this day, AT is still in the same situation with Daniel doing absolutely a great job at dissapointing everyone & Yuki being the better driver again.
The only thing shorter than the 2023 alpha tauri driver pairing was Nekita mazespin’s Bahrain GP
It’s a shame he didn’t go to Williams
I know logically AT was a better option because of the RB possible seat, but I still think his shot would be longer lasting in the Williams
Instead, Williams got the freedom tower, who arguably has an even worse finishing position than NDV and Goatifi
Nicely done.
Nick was so confident and I felt disrespectful to Synoda. Stop watch doesn't lie.
Nyck de Vries, former Formula 2 and Formula E world champion, he was driving in one of the worst cars of 2023 and the start was difficult as he was driving on a lot of unknown circuits. He was not given enough time on circuits in Europe he is familiar with. A pity he could net even drive at his home race. But F1 is a tough world, sad for him, now he is back in the Formula E again.
I think red bull saw how poorly Perez was doing and decided that Daniel was the direct competitor to keep an eye on so that’s why they decided to bin de vries more than him being all that bad
Yeah, ngl I've always felt they wanted Daniel in that 2nd seat but couldn't justify putting him straight in
Like they show on dts
We were so hyped on what he was do, yet he delivered so little.
Think it was the 'double champion' and that surely that should have transferred better
Awesome video mate, would just work a little on the lighting in your room of recording :D
Thanks, yeah the room is my day to day office, and there's no dimmer on the main light which i think is mostly the problem
@@On_Track_91 Ah makes sense! Perhaps the overhead light off while filming? Seemed to shine a lot on your hair :P
@@MentoMentorium Yeah I've tried but as I often film in the evening, the room is super dark, realistically need like some lights in the background or maybe just some out of shot lamps
@@On_Track_91 Ah I get it, anyways onto another subject, amazing videos mate, lovely work!
There's a reason nobody wanted Nyck. He was mid. He got lucky when he filled in for Alex. Marko wanted Nyck for Gasly's seat, but Franz Tost and Christian did not. If Franz had gotten his way, the AT seat would have been offered to Mick Schumacher.
Was it harsh to cut him halfway through a season where he scored no points? I think he was exceedingly lucky to be in the seat at all. Every other team had a chance to sign him for several years, and no one did. I don't see Toto Wolff lobbying for DeVries.
If he wasn't worth it, why the hell is Logan still here?
There was some team insides (im commenting before watching so, not sure if it was mentioned), that he was a diva in the team. He was CHAMPION of f2, he was CHAMPION e-series, he was THE MAN in the paddock - ofc only in his mind. And that was the biggest problem.
De Vries don´t need F1, he is a brilliant WEC driver, and the Endurance is his true "pazzione".
Riccardo is being beaten by Tsunudo every single week, so maybe De Vries was not that bad after all?
nah, there are justifiable reasons for it and he's actually glimpsed points + has steadily improved so far compared to some of nyck's races.
Some things I have to mention.
At the start of your video explaining Nyck’s time before F1, he was a McLaren junior and left McLaren during 2019, Nyck was not yet affiliated with Mercedes. Also, Alex Albon wasn’t a rookie in F2 in 2018 as he competed the season before with ART Grand Prix
I believe I worded it so Albon waan't a rookie, technically, as I came across this when researching.
"...both of them rookies, and all 3 of them beat Nyck."
He worded it right.
@@ccramit eh, still a little misleading
Unironically Nyck could be better than ricciardo today
great video, very fun and also reminds me of the mazepin video
Yeah, I've got more time now and getting back into doing everything properly
@@On_Track_91 lets gooo
9:18 oh man I was just thinking awright mate lets retire that Iverson clip and the Vaas 1 sent me😂
Played to perfection
Nyck went into the team basically in his own mind he was the no 1 driver on the grid, his comments regarding Yuki were not sportsmanlike, and he couldn't really get a feel of the car. He had 1 good fill-in lap and thought he was the new Max. The pressure was too much for him, he never improved. His own inflated opinion of himself is the reason he doesn't have a drive.
13:05 idk about Ric
Nyck' Mijn pad is bepaeldt niet oveg gozen gegaan' de Vries.
Pretty much sums it up
You have to take take one..
Nyck Devries / Lance Stroll
Some people just want to watch the world burn
@@On_Track_91 hahaha, Legendary!!!
his performance at wec has been nothing but impressive though.
Next year will be logan sargeants how bad video
It does seem to be trending that way
This is one hell of a funny video 😂
Glad you enjoyed
They should have given him more time
The fact that de vries was kicked so fast and sargeant still on the grid, just unacceptable
Letting Sargeant drive brings in money. If you find it unacceptable, then give all money you have to De Vries.
@@ronald3836 Yeah, so much money that Williams is struggling with their chassis and using excel to manage car parts.
This just HOW bad series works for you well you can make a lot of these over the break, for both drivers and teams too.
Yeah, I'm not gonna overload them, but deffo some more I can do
Everyone in the netherlands had high expectations because they were continuously hyping him and all that, so when he didn’t really get good results they started bashing him. I’m not a fan of him at all but the comments he got from dutchies were very hard at times.
Is F1 a team-sport or not? There is your answer.
Saw him in F2 and not once did I think:"This is a promising, young talent." the F1 teams must sign immediately. 2019 was a watered-down field of talent in F2 and although Nyck won the title his main competitors for the title were Nicholas Latifi, Luca Ghiotto, Sergio Sette Camara and Jack Aitken. I said the same about Mick Schumacher in 2020, without his famous last name very few would praise him on merit.
DeVries came to Williams and did better than Nicholas Latifi. Well, Latifi wasn't much of a measure for any driver. He wouldn't even be in F1 if not for his dad's sponsorship money to Williams.
Latifi is inconsistent. On a good day he could be fighting for points, but the low points are really low. Logan Sargeant on the other hand is consistently bad.
@On_Track_91 You Should Also Doo LATIFI Cuz You Did MAZEPIN And This(DeBries)
Bahrain, Jeddah, Spain Should Be OK Like UK
Yeah, just trying to figure the format as they've been singke season so far, whereas Latifi is 3 years
I thought you said you weren't going to do this video smh
Aha possibly, though getting back into everything for 2024, finally have the time to properly youtube this year
Logan Sargeant still has a seat. Lol
You were pretty generous with the term "good"
Yeah I think it was a bit clutching at straws
9:26 i was just playing beyblade
Let em rip
8:39 They still on slicks?!
he could have had it all, but thanks to wrong decisions from all sides it is over for him
Getting into F1 is an amazing achievement, but let's be real. Nick just doesn't have 'it'
Its good that he is in F E
you forgot to ention he also cause yuki wing damage which amde him crash in baku
They were really less patient that Lance's dad.
Better than Sargeant for sure.
What id like to know is; Just how in the hell is Lance Stroll still in F1?
Yuki has are other drivers that have been there for years that aren't very good. there are other drivers that have been there for longer, that aren't any good. Nick could've just been given a bit more time. I think you would've been very much a gentleman driver.
Daniel Ricciardo is even worst and still at Alpha tauri, they should give him the same treatment they did with devries
Good question. You can also ask the question: How good is Ricciardo, really?
I really son’s understand why some ex f1 drivers go to WEC, because I mean, why not…. Oh wait, there’s nothing else
He was a talented version of Nikita Mazepin
Tbf the FE and F2 shows it
comparing any drive to Nikita Mazespin is an insult
I was just wondering, does f1 have something like a wheel‘o‘dor? 😂😂
and then he won the 6h of Imola
if hes driving skills was as huge as hes ego then he would be a new verstappen
Dd better than Mazespin 😆
He wasn’t great, but I don’t think he was as bad as he was made out to be. He wasn’t even given a full season. I know that the age difference is a big factor, but look at Logan Sergeant, he has been abysmal imo.
I guess the thing is if you're already 27 and not successful, unlikely you'll vet better
@@On_Track_91 I disagree. 27 is obviously older than the typical racers who break through earlier. But that still gives him plenty of time to improve as he gets used to F1. I think he might’ve been better in his 2nd season tbh. But it was obvious he wasn’t going to last the season, unfortunately. I agree that the expectations would be higher coming in at 27 with the experience he had.
@@On_Track_91 Damon Hill?
He was just as far off Yuki at Silverstone that Ricciardo was in Bahrain. So was it fair? No. Was it Red bull yes😂
I did a spit take when Australia came up. Ummm I mean down.
what did they expect ? yuki is a honda driver + he is "10" years driving for torro rosso..no one would have got a chance from the get go!
de vries is a FiA champion deserved more respect!
Id say give him another chance now that Ricc has failed but nah, onwards and upwards.. lawson time!
I think It’s safe to say that Nyck unjustifiably was shown the door
But I would say that in the end, Ric and Law did do better?
Don't push him too hard.
Wtf dude, Checo won two races. And ended many times in second. Without max that would have been more than enough to become champion.
A Mercedes driver AND a Toyota driver in a RB Honda powered team?
Yea I don't see why they would let him drown, why would he be treated like crap and made look like a bad driver?
Specialy when the AT04 was the worst car on the grid during his time there and they seem to never acknowledge that or the fact that his input and feedback was what brought them into a strong position at the second half of the season
On a team infamous for treating anyone that isn't Verstapen like toilet paper
Will not be missed he was in way over his ability.
He is good, but not good enough for F1. Issa simple.
how about Logan?
@@kwanlinus6999 Logan Paul cant handle a F1 car either, pretty sure.
Unpopular Opinion: If Nyck doesn't deserve an F1 seat, Why tf is Logan still here?
he could be a double for Willem defoe
He was given a real bad deal. CLEARY Marko didnt like him from the start. Considering all the others that got a chance
I think Nyck wasn’t that bad as they say, okay, he was not the best but hey, he got the worst car on the grid and then they expect that he have each race a chance for points
oh cool Im not as bad at f1 as I thought
He chose the wrong team
He’s just another helmut Marko victim
He unfortunately chose the wrong team
Yeah was never gonna work
4:49 whoa whoa whoa. Pump your brakes, kid.
I dont think a 10 year F1 vet, just forgets driving a F1 car. I think the team worked against him once he started being a threat to Verstappen. They fk-ed him in several races after the first quarter of the season.
Impossible to watch with all the flashing text.
Cool
Thumbnail made me think he died
Yeah i did kinda realise after I made it
Hes not doing much better in FE this year either
rip :(
I realise the thumbnail may look a tad misleading
The car just didn't suit him.
Or the team
@@On_Track_91
He should have signed for Williams.
I can't say I was sorry at all to see Nick gone...he came in from the get go running his mouth, thinking he was going to come in and suddenly be the "next big thing", and never let off that attitude. He didn't get along with Yuki, had no respect for anyone on the track come race day, and had no clue about what it REALLY takes to run with the F1 crowd. He needed to stay a few more years in F2 to REALLY get his feet under him both as a driver and a person.
As someone learning this for the first time. ( haven't cared for racing in 15years) don't FE cars brake a little better than F1? Maybe that's why he can't get the turns right?
The answer is: just as bad as Danny Ric
Danny 'Ryck'
Formula washing machine 😂😁😂🤣👌
he has so much bad luck :(
Feel like he was also never set up to proceed
don't show your background again
No
i dont like his energy. he has that sense of entitlement that so shallow. i could get Yuki, not this clown.
He was actually pretty bad , and next is Daniel