I really got into furry art and my art teacher really encouraged me to continue with furry art. She also encouraged other students to draw what, and how they want! Im very exited to be in her class this year too :)
Same, I was actually surprised to hear that so many high school art teachers were against anime-style art. Every art teacher I've had embraced it, and I was able to get better at drawing it in class.
People that say these types of things will forever confuse me,because like,what do they think IS “real art”? because if they think “real art” is highly realistic portraits then someone better get them their fainting chair cuz im pretty sure they aren’t ready for the majority of the art community
In regards to "highly realistic", I've heard the point that realism isn't even real art because there is no style. It's a mimicry of what is seen in real life, not stemming from individual style and ideas, and merely a "neuron activation" of somewhat confusion of seeing something real that isn't real. That last part is similar to someone seeing, for the first time ever in their life, a recorded video of real people on a screen and being mind blown as opposed to consuming art itself.
My art teacher never hated anime art styles. My art teacher (a pro) told the class this. "Anime art is art, the problems isn't the style, the problem is that it IS a style. And that why we don't want you to use it until you learn the basics." That Teacher knew it was a style. They knew how much it influenced our world. I've never met an art teacher who devalue anime art as "Childish". But I saw some of my classmates look at that art teacher with almost tears that day. They felt valued and was willing to put more work into their classwork. It made me realize how lucky I was to have supporting teachers who saw my happiness that day. Made me realize that words matter, and it's an art form itself
One of my teachers said "you have to know the rules to break the rules" his personal story regarding style and knowing the basics involved Spiderman comics instead of anime but the sentiment still stands
I think people are half-right when they say that, though they probably don't understand what they're saying when they repeat it. It's impossible to make art that isn't a conversation between the artist and observer. Unless the artist is a literal monkey at a literal typewriter, art cannot help but communicate. Dadaists attempt to create vapid gibberish, but the act of doing so is its own meaning. This isn't gatkeeping. It's just an inevitability.
I don’t really draw in the anime art style, but yeah it’s such a stupid thing to gatekeep art and different art styles, imo, as long as it was made with creative intent (obviously there are exceptions) it’s art, simple as that no need for such unnecessary debate
@@yogeybogeybear3542 I’m speaking in general terms here, not by industry standards. Though to be fair art is subjective, I can’t change anyones views on the topic and neither can you.
Off topic but, Well to me not every “art style” is acceptable since some beginners draw badly enough and when you say some thing bad they say it’s an art style I mean sure but it wasn’t intended or polished to be called an art style I feel like art styles are here to make your art distinguishable and known by people like take wooma and avocad6 they have very very different art styles you can probably know who drew it without looking at the credits if it was a commission
Art cannot be objectively defined, we all have our own opinion of what is and isn't art just like we all have our own idea of what is and isn't considered cool.
While I agree we all have our own definitions on what what constitutes art, however we need to be reminded of the time a guy duct taped a banana to a wall for over a hundred thousand dollars
The art teachers I've had when I started drawing in the anime art style haven't given me flack for it. My college Visual Arts professor thought my art was good. Anime's pretty much the reason I wanted to do my own comics
Question I'm not an artist, but I Heard people say digital art isn't real. But yet clearly it is, so why are people so against it or say it isn't real??
@@RunaKeeps1 That's something I couldn't figure out myself. I just went with the assumption that art is subjective. But, it's usually the attitude of the so called art snobs that make statements like that. As a digital artist myself, I just roll my eyes at those comments. Personally, no matter the medium used, if you see it as art, it's art
@@princess_shymiera Ah, I see..Why are some people so close-minded idk😒. But yet I am in a practice (vet tech), So I am well aware of how closed-minded people are, so yeah. But In the end, we accept those who are happy to adapt and accept what one does.
"People who say anime is art are valid, people who say it isn't are valid." The neutrality, empathy and acceptance you bring to these topics are one of the many reasons I love this channel. (Even though the closest thing I do to "art" is 3D stuff and I know little to nothing about it's community :I)
My dad used to say that Art was anything made by humans that didn't need to have a practical use to be made. That you could understand it, or not, or like it or not, but if it was made by a person for just fun, express their feelings, or whatever that was not "I need this to survive", it was art. So yeah, anime is art, and so is banana on tape. Now, PRICE on art is a completely different horse, I think. Because animators, and mangaka, and comic artists, and so on need to be paid more for their work, and perhaps 120,000 for a banana on tape was a bit too much.
Art is an expression of what u feel , poems , stories , music , drawing, painting, anything that lets you express your feelings and vision , like rap , graphite etc... they are all ART and all valid
Honestly this video reminds me of a situation that happened last year. I was trying to make friends and said “oh yeah I do digital art” and then someone asked to see my drawings and I showed them my Gacha edits and also my “anime” styled drawings and they immediately said to me “none of that is real art” then proceeded to show me their realism drawings. It fucking hurt and I don’t show people my drawings anymore because of that. I am so self conscious of showing my drawings and I now also feel embarrassed to draw what I do. Like it really hurts to have someone tell me the drawings I put hours into and the edits I put hours into “aren’t real” and “don’t matter”. I am now known to the people from that class as “the Gacha edit girl” because I used to (I sort of stopped doing Gacha edits now and dabble in just drawing the characters instead of editing them) do Gacha edits and it was shameful to do at my age and as an artist. It really hurts to have your art policed by people who are so full of themselves who think they know what “real art” is.
Awh I'm so sorry that happened to you! I also make gacha content, not so much edits but I make videos so I understand what that's like. I also draw in an anime style. You really shouldn't be ashamed in what you create. I'm sure that your art is amazing! I believe in you! :D
People like that honestly disgust me. As an artist who has an anime-ish art style, very stylized, I was so happy when people at school asked to see my sketchbook and complimented me on my drawings. It meant so much to me. I don’t understand why some people choose to invalidate artists, saying it’s not realism, so it isn’t art. It’s just disgusting
EWW WHAT AN ABSOLUTE JERK. Friendo, anime art is real art. And Gacha edits take freaking t i m e, as well as it’s just pathetic to make fun of people for their hobbies???
yeah, being a gacha user you tend to get a lot of slander from others if they don't understand gacha - for instance my friends like to go on about how easy it is to do gacha and it really hurts - like they think it's so easy to do and dismiss it.
I was really lucky that my school art teacher supported my anime art. Probably because art classes in brazilian schools are very different from other countries - I was lucky for even having an art class in my curriculum, because most schools apparently just exclude it for considering it unnecessary and a waste of resources. So, in a way, I guess my teacher was just excited that at least someone in her class had interest in art at all. When I went to college, though, the conversation was very different. I went to study animation in one of the only two colleges that had it down here (at least back then, I don't know if it changed), and their overall opinion on anime was very... Demeaning. They weren't super aggressively anti anime persay, but many professors still looked down on it and favored the students that foccused more on realistic or more "western" styles. I wasn't reproved for using anime, but the whole time I was in college I felt like I had to distance from ut as much as possible to be respected, which made me miserable. Add that to a bunch of shit that happened in my life, I ended up dropping out. And after dropping out, I learned how to love drawing again by being unashamed of my anime influence. I took a shorter art course that was way more accepting of anime, and instead of saying it was bad for being anime, they taught me new techiniques and references to make my anime art *better*, snd I loved every second of it. Sadly, because of Covid, I ended up having to leave the course before finishing it and haven't had a chance of going back yet. But I learned a lot more in that single year where I didn't feel pressured to hold back the anime than the four years in college where I felt ashamed of it. And, well, I might not be the most popular artist out there. I don't know if I even want to be a popular artist. But I'm happy with my drawings like never before, and I think that's what matters. (Sorry for rambling aaaaa)
That's okay! I tend to ramble in the comments section too because I have trouble with making short comments myself in most cases. Anyway, sorry that happened to you when you were studying animation. I'm glad you got into drawing again and feel more free to draw what you want! I don't know what you plan to do from here on out with your art, but whatever you decide to do, I wish you good luck!
I remember doing everything in a comic style in highschool, including painting. My art teacher (who loved German expressionism above everything for some reason), called my style cheap, and banal. So a few of us students decided to group together and form a new artstyle we dubbed "Norwegian banalism". Good times. I always liked the anime style, but I haven't really been able to work in that style until very recently, while I also had no trouble drawing realistic bananas since I was 12.
Just like was said, some people have easier times with different things. I practiced trying for the "disney style" for four years and even my best pieces were awful. I drew disney princesses for at least an hour a day every single day for four years and nothing. Realism? Took a week. I mean, obviously not to *master*, but a week to learn to produce something that people will be impressed by is still a big difference, even if I wasn't Leonardo DaVinci. Anime? Yeah no I can't do it. I've tried it on and off for ten years and I just can't do it. I focused on it as my only style for two years and it just doesn't work. My style definitely draws influences from anime but I don't think anyone would ever call it anime (except maybe a grandparent trying desperately to be hip with the kids)
When I was in high school, I bad an art class that also included IB students. A lot of the IB kids at my school were super pretentious, and were all “art is meant to br super deep.” Meanwhile, as someone who was training to be an animator (now I’m in medical coding- funny how our goals change lol), I just wanted to study anything and everything to make my base skills better. So, for one of our assignments I repainted black and white photos but how I imagined them in color, so it would showcase my ability to create likeness while also using intuition. All this is to say, those kids were bamboozled when I told them that there was no deeper meaning behind it aside from that. I recommend this exercise to any artist who’s interested in studying realism but doesn’t just want to copy a photo directly. It definitely puts your knowledge of color to the test, and you tend to be a bit looser with how you paint because you’re not so focused on getting everything exact
personally ive always seen art as something that is produced from creativity !! this can range anywhere from a hyper realistic drawing of an apple to scribbles on a paper to a music piece someone wrote :0 i know it is a very vague description but it does cover every medium of art,, art is simply just something u create !! what that creation is, how it was made, and its meaning (or lack of meaning) do not make it any more or less valid as a piece of art because it was still created by someone
To my understanding, anime was inspired by the chibi like head shapes and big eye style that Disney used in Bambi so it is an art style inspired by an existing art style
That would also make it realism :0 ! Considering that the Disney animators (for many of the classic movies that had animals) had real animals brought into the studio, they could have their own artistic interpretation of a deer or an elephant.
Before I became better with shading, I did flat works and my art pretty anime style. I was told it was ugly and 'not real', yet works where I added shading would "suddenly" become cool. Nowadays my style is different from then, but I felt ashamed because it felt like I had to make it look realistic to some degree if I didnt want to be shamed
I am not to be truffled with whenever people start gatekeeping a style that people draw in no matter if they do it for fun or as a career. Appreciate the work, don't be an ass about it.
I was made fun of for even liking anime and cartoons as a younger teen, and while my art teacher didn't say to my face that anime style art wasn't real art, she did talk about it behind my back. My fellow students told me what she said. Thankfully, my parents were enthusiastic about my art, and when I got my first drawing tablet, a different art teacher and her husband (a fine artist) saw my work and got super excited about i,! They were curious about what I did, and gave me lots of tips and feedback that helped my style. On top of that, while I was revising for exams, I'd make comics to help me revise. My biology teacher saw this during a study class, and was incredibly impressed and found it cool. So I have dealt with this sort of stuff, but at the same time I've had a huge amount of support, and I think it's important to remember that for every person who doesn't like your art for some petty reason, there's somebody else who will love your style
My media arts professor in my last year of university fully encouraged my anime art style! That same art professor even got me my first job in the art industry ! So I’m glad not all art teachers are hecklers of the anime art style.
I remember my art teacher, and she was a wonderful lady, and I miss her (I'm now in a different school). She was loving everything I did because she saw I have passion for it no matter if it was anime or realism, she could tell I want to learn. She had even a small folder of my older art that I gave her when I was 8 She was the best teacher I had, and I think I ever will have
My art teacher in high school told me privately that he considered all animation and comics as a form of art. He can't say it in front of other teachers, but he literally gave me comics and ideas for illustrations which he considered much better. He also found my drawings from Watership Down were considered not art even when I was using National Geographics by the school I was at. Yes he literally wanted to yell when my artwork was removed due to Fantasy, silk-screen and other pieces because it wasn't art in the eyes of other art teachers. My teacher just rolled his eyes at them and said I deserved my talent to be recognized.
Man, I remember in high school art being looked down on by a classmate who made anime style art because I did realism at that point, which obviously made my art meaningless and therefore just an illustration not real art... I'm actually studying to be an art teacher, and just wanna say that there is hope. So many of the people I'm studying with love anime styles and whatever. I had a friend ace an assignment by writing a Legend of Zelda fan comic. As the generations of art teachers move on, I can see a positive change coming.
I think the best way to define art is "something that someone created". It doesn't have to have a purpose, or a deeper meaning, it's just the human desire to create something, in whatever form the person in question decides to do so
I am not to be truffled with! I love hearing your takes on things like this. You have a great way of explaining things. Anyways, I think some people (cough cough, highschool art teachers) need to hear the phrase “art is subjective” a bit more often
My highschool AP art teacher was also the teacher over our schools anime club. With majority of students on his class was also in his club, he told us that there was nothing wrong with anime art, but also would not take it as projects to be turned in. He explained to us that we needed to learn how to get our styles up to par for the college panel that our portfolios would go to at the end of the year.
When I was going to a different school, I would just be doodling in my sketchbook, AND SOMEONE CAME UP TO ME, AND SAID (nervously) “can you draw me as an anime character?” EVERYONE IN ART CLASS WAS OBSESSED WITH ANIME, and the teacher was completely indifferent
One thing I have to add is this: I was trained kinda traditionally, you know, still nature, landscapes, naked people (idk the english word sorry), portraits. All in acrylics because oil paint is expensive. I am in awe when I see people draw good anime art. I have tried, but I'm really bad at styleization. It's a skill just as hard as realism I think.
I always loved drawing fanart and other illustrated forms of art as a student and being told it isn't real art always crushed me but I never let that stop me and I believe people should do the same. Because I think this flawed concept of what is and isn't art is what really sucks because it's a teacher using their bias to suggest what they think art is and passing it off as fact. Art can be a lot of different things and I'm glad more artist are able to discover what they see as art and stick to it and I always applaud people who still do to this day.
My teacher was pretty chill so I’m glad they let us choose what style we want (Also the anonymous idea sounds amazing, but the real kicker is trying to find someone who can code or find and already coded thing)
I am not to be truffled with. Everyone has their own opinions, as long as you make and create anything that's meaningful to you or to anyone else, that's what art is for me.
I've always believed that art is any human creation. The value is up in the air, but everything human-made can be an artform if given the opportunity, really.
I mean, I can’t really say I’ve had that experience at school where my art teacher was like, “anime isn’t real art”, but then again I haven’t had a school art class since 5th grade ( starting High school on Tuesday for a bit of context ) so I haven’t really heard any of that personally. Personally, I just make art because I like it, and that more or less should be how people view art ( I mean obviously if it’s an art assignment for school or a paid commission it’ll more or less have to be a certain way but I’m just saying this as someone who, as said, hasn’t had a school art class since 5th grade and has never done any official commissions ). That’s just my silly little opinion
for me, art is what someone creates what some woke up and said "I'm going to put this together" even if it's morally wrong like NSFW it's still considered art because it was created was bought to life by one or more people even tho we wish that negative art wasn't art it still is. Nothing we do can separate it from art but we just have to live with it not normalize it and if it happens it happens to call them out and move on but art, in general, is creation or life it doesn't have to have meaning if it's created then it is art! (sorry for the horrid grammar).
This is a great video with awesome points, and I was freaked out when you said "drawing hatsune miku" because that's literally what I was doing while watching the video
Whenever I question the value of what I'm doing, I go back and look at the things I've done before, both the good and the bad ones. If what I'm doing is meaningless, how did i improve so much? Then i normally feel better
I am not to be truffled with ! Am pretty glad that my highschool teacher didn't criticize us for what we drew as long as we completed the assignment properly. I loved drawing dragons whenever I had the chance and had no realism abilities whatsoever but she still liked it and put it in the end of the year gallery with all the other pieces that at least had noticeable effort put into them. As a fragile, derpy kid, I feel I might have stopped drawing if she was like other teachers I hear stories about.
the discussion on what art means is very interesting, because it makes me think about how art classes work. teaching someone the academia based meaning of art can make them very confused, and i wish it was agreed upon that art itself is very very personal and detached from any "rules" that try to bind it. unfortunately, academia is known for its elitism and opression of individuality, so sources like you who bring up the discussion with the most genuine and unbiased view possible are very, very valuable. thank you, celestia! also, i am not to be truffled with (:
My teachers from highschool and my first year of college would discourage me from drawing anime art. But luckily my teachers in college were encouraging me to do my anime art on my freestyle assignments
meanwhile ive just been here vibing like "if you made it and call it art then congrats you made some fucking art" like idk why it has to be so hard lmao, i draw character art for fun bc i just like making designs and doing funky poses and shit, it makes me happy and it doesnt even need a meaning every time - i wish more people shared this kinda view
Ya know when the question of "real art" really starts to get confusing? When it comes to the case of Ai art ,done by computer coding and depiction, winning an art contest pit against artist who hand painted all their art. This happened on twitter, someone posted a discord chat bragging about how their Ai generated art was able to beat art done by human hand. How people couldn't tell the difference between what was human or computer made. Is Ai still legitimate art? Or should it be kept out of competitions because it's never made by human hand. Does coding art still count as human hand made art, just a different way of creating it? The answer is very complicated and difficult.
AI is illegitimate art because its made by something without emotion or artistic intent. It is the only form of illegitimate art that exists. The only artists that I could possibly stomach calling artists w/ the ai is the creators of the ai themselves. Most Ai "artists" are merely clients, typing in a google search to get specifically what they want, and steal for their own benefit. That's not to mention the millions of unconsenting artists whose work is used as training data.
Yes and no. People who “make” AI art aren’t artists, yet the final product is art. I hate the whole entire concept of AI art, and that’s probably the one reasonable thing about it. As for who the artist is, that’s where it gets complicated. Are the artists the unconsenting creators of the millions of pieces that it steals from, or the AI itself?
dumb tv show idea: Ai developers compete against each other to create an ai generated piece of art based off of a specific theme. It's like a baking competition show, but with ai. The idea is to create a somewhat cohesive picture that properly conveys that episode's theme. To add more of a challenge, the judges will make the contestants put several pictures of something random into the ai image library and incorporate that into the final image. (for example, the contestants' ai art will have to have a duck in it while sticking to the main theme.) Oh the contestants also have 3 tries to generate a piece of art, after the 3rd try the contestant can only choose between the 3 images their ai created to present to the judges. The judges would be a bunch of tech developers and artists who will judge the contestant based off of their programming and the artistic qualities of the ai image.
I think apart from one scenario in seventh grade, where there was a debate whether all anime art was perverted, and my teacher asked me about it as a very suggestive thumbnail popped up on youtube when he was looking for a video for educational purposes and I, known as a anime lover, was asked about it, I’ve been mostly lucky so far. While I’m mostly way too oblivious to social standards anyway, I also show off my whole art because I am proud of what I’m making. Yes, I got bullied in school but regarding my art I luckily never let it get under my skin. The better I became over the years the more positive the feedback became despite most of it being anime art, because that is what I’m most comfortable with. I even had this art teacher, that encouraged us throughout what I think would be high school in America. To approach the assignments she gave us in our very own way unless the assignment targets something very specific like realistic portrait drawing. This way I ended up getting a very good review of her for a vocaloid fanart I made featuring the song virgin suicide putting the lyrics I felt had the most meaning into visual action and writing an essay about why and how I did, what I did. On my families side, my mom wasn’t all to happy, as I began to create anime art at first and sticking with it throughout the years, but seeing where I’ve gotten now, makes her really proud and she dropped the criticism that in hindsight was actually meant to help me. The rest of my family however was very supportive right from the beginning, got me the art material I wished for and still does, because with big things I wait for Christmas and my birthday which lie pretty close together and ask my family to put together for one bigger gift I or one of them alone usually could not afford. I have to especially feature my grandma here, because she even proudly presented my anime art as her profile picture and is literally always so proud when I paint something. The other more tense meet up I had on this front was with a new colleague who studied design and then decided to work with children. When I got to talkt with him about how much I liked drawing and that I played on the thought of pursuing design studies after finishing my studies on early childhood education and showed him the stuff that I did, he took a similar road as depicted in the video. I remember him saying things like ‘everyone is doing this style nowadays’ and ‘they all pretty much look the same’ I strikingly disagreed and looked up material of different genre, explaining to him, the different choices made and then, he took a step back, admitting he didn’t know that and genuinely apologised. This story could have made a whole video on it’s own and if you read until the end, thank you so much for your attention. In conclusion I have to say, I’m not a professional and I can only imagine how much of a different pressure lies on them. I’m with all the people who love anime and experience this because I imagine it to be very hurtful and while I can’t proclaim any valid definition of art I think artist should be allowed to try anything they want, even if it is new and uncommon, as long as no damage is yielded to anyone in the process. With that said I wish all of you a wonder evening.
Very interesting perspective on what is and isn’t art. When I look at art I don’t think about what is and isn’t art usually but instead what is art I enjoy, as something I dislike is still art. Sad to hear about the competitions ending as I was planning to participate this month when I have more time! I am not to be truffled with.
my art teacher(not from school or uni, I'm 23 and I'm doing an art course) loves anime art and even has a separate course that focus only on anime style, but he never despise the importance on studying realism because it gives you(and it DOES!!!)a better notion on how to stylize your trace. I just love his approach on this subject.
This video was put together wonderfully and as an artist who mainly does anime/cartoon styled art, I've always sorta struggled when talking to my family about what I wanted to do for the future and as a career. I'm just glad it isn't a me thing and something the community generally has an issue with. In a way it brings a lot of us closer together.
I’m relieved my high school art teacher was extremely chill. He watches anime too, and even recommended a few to me! He’s also really understanding about the desire to draw what you want, but he does motivate students to expand their palette/style! Hell, our first class with him was dedicated to learning about Aboriginal arts!
I think a lot of this real art/not real art debate boils down to simple jealousy, particularly when money and fame are in question. I'm sure a lot of classical style artists, who took years honing their skill in the hope to finally be able to stand next to the old "art masters," felt pretty miffed when all of a sudden nobody cared about their "outdated" art and paid all their attention to modern artists who simply made collages of everyday objects, or splattered paint on a canvas, that likely took much less overall effort than a highly-detailed realistic scenery would need. I also think there was a lot of jealousy surrounding digital art and anime art back when it first started getting big online in the early 2000s since so many people were making bank (and are still making bank) on "simple, low effort art" (putting that in quote since I know many people put a lot of skill and effort and thier digital works). I mean modern art, digital and anime included, did totally shake up the art world, and by now modern art has pretty firmly took over as the most popular and profitable art form, from graphic design to cartoons to displays in many high end art galleries.
Art to me is just any form of creative expression that a person creates whether it’s realistic, cartoony or even music,photography and other stuff in that catagory
I’m going to vocational school for graphic design and animation for my 2 remaining years of high school and when we went on a field trip to the school to get kids interested the teacher had a class intro video showing things that he sees as inspirational art. These included things like Omori, Into the Spiderverse, and clips from multiple animated (both western and anime) shows and movies, along with things involving cgi. We got to see examples of the art from current students and it amazed me how much their art just seemed to be so personal and less corporate like I thought the class would be, that’s what convinced me to sign up. I get to do digital art for half of my school day and that is awesome to me! I start school again in a little over a month and one of my best friends since 5th grade (we’re incoming high school juniors now) is going into the class with me, so I’m super excited to be able to start my formal art education so early on!
Since finding your videos i have been watching/listening nonstop as i draw myself. I enjoy what you discuss how you give information and viewpoints from both sides of the argument, the bgm your own art and comfy vibes. I AM NOT TO BE TRUGGLED WITH.
I prefer when I can see what the image is supposed to be, no matter the style. For me, art is just a matter of taste, one piece can cost millions and for the wrong person it won't even be worth the canvas it's on. I love gorgeous cartoon styles (like anime).
I am not to be truffled with! If I want to learn perspective, color theory or anything else, by drawing the things I like in the style I enjoy, why is my skill level worth any less? So much knowledge goes into these art pieces, wether we chose to break those rules or not ❤️
i am a 19-year old hobby cartoonist, i have been in an art school for a couple of months (I left because the classes and project were overwhelming). My school accepted most forms of art, as long as you can present your work and talk about your creative process. I think the process and thought makes art what it is, no matter what medium you use. As long as you can present your talent through your own style.
I am not to be truffled with My high-school art teacher was very supportive no matter your skill level or the way you choose to express yourself, she also allowed us to wear our headphones in class to help us concentrate or be inspired , honestly she's one of the reason I want to become an illustrator today. It's a shame a lot of teacher don't realize the impact they have on their students.
Stuff like this is why my attitude towards a lot of debates is “do whatever you want.” It’s art if you say it is. If you want to define it as something more specific, go ahead. If other people don’t, they can do that too. Just try to respect each other regardless of how different your views may be. I personally don’t feel the need to find a clear definition for art. My philosophy on art (and life in general) is to do the best you can, try to avoid causing harm as much as possible, do what you want to do, and respect everyone else’s freedom to do the same.
i am not to be truffled with when it comes to "real art" gatekeeping. works created in most (if not all) art styles will always be valid. just let people draw in the style that makes them happy and comfortable with as long they aren't using it to hurt anyone or doing something unacceptable.
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Art can be a lot of things, it can be used to describe things as beautiful, it can be sculptures, pixels on a tablet, black crayon on a paper, music, a build, vases and pretty much anything you can create. If you would make a vase then that would be your art piece, you could make a build in sims and that could be considered art and if you make a fire then that can be art. As we can see, anything can be art.
Funnily enough. My art teacher was pretty cool about what I drew. It was one of my other classmates in art who said "but he always just draws the same thing." ...I am not to be truffled with.
I remember my friend (who's an art major) told me that her teacher told her something along the lines of: "Learning how to do art can help you draw anime, but drawing anime isn't the end all be all of art. It's *AN* artsyle, not de facto *ART.* You shouldn't stop at just "being able to draw anime" because there's a lot more things out there. So embrace everything, it would help you do more."
I was pretty lucky in highschool; bith the art teacher and digital art teacher were fine with any and all art, including fanart. The traditional art teacher was an abstract artist, stoner activist type guy. He was great, he let me use my personal sketchbook as class work, so I didn't even have to do the assignments that didn't interest me. My art was very anime/manga style. And the digital art/photography teacher was also the philosophy teacher, and if you tried to argue anime isn't real art to him he'd pull you into a philosophical convo of "Well then, what *is* art?" He's also a bit of a weeb himself so, he enjoyed seeing fanart and OCs turned in as class work. It baffles me that teachers out there are trying to stifle creativity over a style. The kids I went to school with absolutely thrived. The OCs some ppl came up with were amazing. Someone made an original vocaloid design, another has this insane mech guy, I forget what he was an OC for cause I'm not into mech much but it was cool! If the style doesn't matter, then we have so much more room to just go wild with ideas and techniques and shit.
Someone once told me "Art is subjective" And I think about that all the time. Cause it's so true. Who is anyone to say "that's not art" when to others it is. Now there are some lines for that saying. But above the line this is what I feel about this topic.
I really love your approaches in these videos! And they also make me think about my own opinions when it comes to art or in this case on how to define art. I just discovered your channel one or two months ago and it is now my favorite art commentary channel
I had 3 different supportive art teachers in school. In middle school, my art teacher saw the manga-style characters that I drew and told me to try submitting my work to creative contests that were held in our library. In High School, my art teacher wanted us to follow the curriculum but every Friday, he gave us freestyle assignments and said it was fine if we wanted to draw Anime. And in College, my art teacher noticed I liked drawing manga and told me it was alright but since I was still finding my style, he said I should try other forms and if I found that I liked the Anime-style most, I could just go back to it. He told me that it was important to try new things because even if I don’t end up using other styles I can still bring what I learned from them and apply them to create my own. I don’t do art as a career and only as a hobby, but I am very grateful to the teachers I had. My teachers never ridiculed me for liking the Anime style, but instead gave advice to help me grow. And I do think it is important to try new things because it helps you grow and what you learn can be applied to what you choose in the end.
Over the course of me training to become a high school art teacher, I learned that telling someone not to draw in an anime style won't help them learn to draw. You know what helps high school kids learn to draw? Them actually just drawing. That's right. Who would have thought that if you just keep drawing you'll improve. It's up to the student to take initiative in seeking improvement, otherwise they will (most of the time) reject the help. I am there to give them the resources to help them reach their goal. Of course school will closely check in with your classes to monitor standards your student will reach, which makes teaching the students difficult since you basically have to get 30ish students of vastly different ability to be on the same page... Which is why I highly encourage keeping a sketchbook. Draw all the anime you want kid. And when a student wants to draw anime, but they also want to level up their art, I can show them anatomy, proportion, gesture, etc. And most times the student comes back realizing that what they wanted to draw, anime, and real life are not so different from what they thought. When you can't see some thing, you just lump it in as part of the style. But once you understand it, even just partially, you begin to see that the artist drew it that way because they wanted it to look like that. And so you have to ask your students before and after they learn new things: "What is it you want to draw, what do you want it to look like, and how will you get there?" And if they aren't just in the class for credits.... they will most likely think pretty hard about it. So at the end of the day, draw your anime. I will be watching.
I’m an anime artist, and every time someone tells me that anime is not art - I just look at all the western masterpieces that consist of random brush strokes and pineapples. Instant assurance that I’m an artist.
This reminds me of what one of my art history professors once said: "Art is what people say is art." I'm glad I had a professor in college that defined art in that light because it made me see that there's no one absolute definition of art. It's like you said, there's no universal definition of art, which explains why this debate of what defines art would probably never end as long as we humans are still around. Great video by the way! I like that you took a different direction to this conversation from most " My teacher thought anime isn't "real" art" videos. No offense to those videos of course. The stories of bad experiences are valid and needed to be heard. I just so happen to appreciate this approach to the subject as well.
I just graduated college for illustration and my lecturers wer properlly angry against anime-style art. They said it was too popular, too easy, and lazy. Ugh
My elementary to middle school art teacher had a special grading sistem where the artwork we had to make in class was graded with a red X (or a half of it for lower grade) and any additional artworks that we wanted to show him he could grade with a green X (or a half of it). If you got a half red x and wanted to raise your mark, you could show him a green X you have in your album and get a better grade (and that green x was crossed out because you spent it) It was amazing and I remember I even had green Xs on some of my anime-ish artworks, so that art teacher was chill with that I guess
Actually, I’d argue Socrates is the most inclusive one. To draw as is and not what appears to be is to portray the essence, and not just the shell or representation. It’s what makes Monet’s paintings or Van Gogh or Sorolla’s paintings feel so real instead of just copying what they see; it has a soul, a place (often painted in the very location! A practice I adamantly recommend). So whatever a flower is to you, a flower is to you. “There is no art, only artists”
Art is what you make. Remixes are still music made by you just inspired and based around certain things. Fan art is art you made for a character who you did not create, but you made it. You can't change my mind. Anime is art. Abstract is art. Music is art. Digital art is art.
The fact that my art teachers like my anime art style, they let us be really creative with our projects. Yeah there are time where we have to draw in certain styles but my teachers are pretty open with artistic styles. Sometimes they'll even give me some composition and proportion tips to help my art improve :D
Every art style scrutinised by the fine art world in the last century or two has after the most notable artist who painted in that style’s death become immensely popular in the fine art world, ironic.
I'm back here with another rambling on the topic, so yeah. There we go. I don't think studying the fundamentals literally means measuring and staring at a Michelangelo painting for hours on end (but, speaking from experience, that can help too. that's how I learned collarbones exist and how to stylize them in order to fit my art style and I'll be forever thankful to the Sixtine Chapel for that). A rough idea of what's considered fundamentals can work, too! You can study the fundamentals without working with them. I've never did any photorealistic portrait but still I know the basic stuff like volume and anatomy and what details go where. Really, just a little bit of dedication and attention are all it takes. And you can use that to push your own very damn stylized style further! I saw this interesting detail. Wonder, how would it go simplified? Ooooh, I like this, I'll draw this line here from now on! (no, this is not the tale of me studying lighting on cheekbones and how that stuff actually works so I can draw passable cheekbone definition, not at all hahaha) Studying from life, be it for anatomy or anything else does not equal drawing from life. And yes, this might be a very hot take and might not work for everyone and maybe I'm one of those **gasp** "ignorant" and "shallow" artists who do art for the sake of art, with no emotion behind it, but it's how I approach practice and study so I figured I might share because there are a lot of young artists who struggle with similar things. I've been there, done that. Study from life, use it in your very much anime art style. Heck, someone I met on an Artist's Alley and I later befriended was in art school. And her art style is more simplified than mine is, but it looks really freaking good. Why? Because she used the basics to stylize. **drink a glass of water every time I say "stylized" in this comment**
Ah I had the very same experience, a college art professor gave me an F for drawing anime, told me it's not art, it's cliche, and I wasn't allowed to draw that way in his class ever again despite how hard I worked for 4 years to reach that class and be allowed to "draw whatever" I wanted. My 4.0 GPA went down to 3.4 because of that. But you know what? I still draw anime, cartoons, videogame characters, and fanart, and I make a living doing it, so big middle finger to him lol. I am not to be truffled with.
In my experience, i feel that the whole 'anime art isnt real art' thing is kind of misinterpreted. Art teachers are meant to, well teach, and a good art teacher knows that foundation and drawing from real life is going to be almost essential for you to draw great in any other style, including anime styles. These are probably just bad experiences with teachers that people have but they know that art style is a thing, so they drill in the foundation and then you can do what you want with that foundation and expand upon it in your own style.
I am not to be truffled with! I honestly think art is art when it gives people feelings. Even just a little joy can make some random doodle into a masterpiece in my opinion
I'm glad my art teacher is actually letting us use the anime style for class projects
Me too
I really got into furry art and my art teacher really encouraged me to continue with furry art. She also encouraged other students to draw what, and how they want! Im very exited to be in her class this year too :)
@@lilydrawsart5756 Thats realy cool!
I hope mine will do the same
Same, I was actually surprised to hear that so many high school art teachers were against anime-style art. Every art teacher I've had embraced it, and I was able to get better at drawing it in class.
People that say these types of things will forever confuse me,because like,what do they think IS “real art”?
because if they think “real art” is highly realistic portraits then someone better get them their fainting chair cuz im pretty sure they aren’t ready for the majority of the art community
Fr these ppl are treating art like it’s still the renaissance era or some bs
@@n908qd7 ikr
In regards to "highly realistic", I've heard the point that realism isn't even real art because there is no style. It's a mimicry of what is seen in real life, not stemming from individual style and ideas, and merely a "neuron activation" of somewhat confusion of seeing something real that isn't real. That last part is similar to someone seeing, for the first time ever in their life, a recorded video of real people on a screen and being mind blown as opposed to consuming art itself.
Yeah
They probably also say “old is gold” or whatever
Although I do like those old art eras where paint wasn’t easily accessible well at least cheap paint
My art teacher never hated anime art styles.
My art teacher (a pro) told the class this. "Anime art is art, the problems isn't the style, the problem is that it IS a style. And that why we don't want you to use it until you learn the basics."
That Teacher knew it was a style. They knew how much it influenced our world. I've never met an art teacher who devalue anime art as "Childish".
But I saw some of my classmates look at that art teacher with almost tears that day. They felt valued and was willing to put more work into their classwork.
It made me realize how lucky I was to have supporting teachers who saw my happiness that day.
Made me realize that words matter, and it's an art form itself
One of my teachers said "you have to know the rules to break the rules" his personal story regarding style and knowing the basics involved Spiderman comics instead of anime but the sentiment still stands
Great teacher.
"art needs a deeper meaning to be considered art"
dadaism, the whole ass art movment made based on making meaningless art: 😐
I think people are half-right when they say that, though they probably don't understand what they're saying when they repeat it.
It's impossible to make art that isn't a conversation between the artist and observer. Unless the artist is a literal monkey at a literal typewriter, art cannot help but communicate. Dadaists attempt to create vapid gibberish, but the act of doing so is its own meaning. This isn't gatkeeping. It's just an inevitability.
Ha true
Ah yes, fellow l'art pour l'art (art for the sake of art) people, assembly.
@@icarussarts
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Not wanting a deeper meaning is a deeper meaning itself
I don’t really draw in the anime art style, but yeah it’s such a stupid thing to gatekeep art and different art styles, imo, as long as it was made with creative intent (obviously there are exceptions) it’s art, simple as that no need for such unnecessary debate
@@yogeybogeybear3542 I’m speaking in general terms here, not by industry standards. Though to be fair art is subjective, I can’t change anyones views on the topic and neither can you.
Some of the people who say digital and abstract aren’t ‘real art’
Dont even draw themsleves
It gets really annoying at times
Off topic but,
Well to me not every “art style” is acceptable since some beginners draw badly enough and when you say some thing bad they say it’s an art style I mean sure but it wasn’t intended or polished to be called an art style I feel like art styles are here to make your art distinguishable and known by people like take wooma and avocad6 they have very very different art styles you can probably know who drew it without looking at the credits if it was a commission
Art cannot be objectively defined, we all have our own opinion of what is and isn't art just like we all have our own idea of what is and isn't considered cool.
It saddens me that most people accept that there are some people who van legitimately tell others what art is.
While I agree we all have our own definitions on what what constitutes art, however we need to be reminded of the time a guy duct taped a banana to a wall for over a hundred thousand dollars
@@torresayon2141 it was money laundering
The art teachers I've had when I started drawing in the anime art style haven't given me flack for it. My college Visual Arts professor thought my art was good. Anime's pretty much the reason I wanted to do my own comics
Question I'm not an artist, but I Heard people say digital art isn't real. But yet clearly it is, so why are people so against it or say it isn't real??
@@RunaKeeps1 That's something I couldn't figure out myself. I just went with the assumption that art is subjective. But, it's usually the attitude of the so called art snobs that make statements like that. As a digital artist myself, I just roll my eyes at those comments. Personally, no matter the medium used, if you see it as art, it's art
@@princess_shymiera Ah, I see..Why are some people so close-minded idk😒. But yet I am in a practice (vet tech), So I am well aware of how closed-minded people are, so yeah.
But In the end, we accept those who are happy to adapt and accept what one does.
"People who say anime is art are valid, people who say it isn't are valid."
The neutrality, empathy and acceptance you bring to these topics are one of the many reasons I love this channel.
(Even though the closest thing I do to "art" is 3D stuff and I know little to nothing about it's community :I)
My dad used to say that Art was anything made by humans that didn't need to have a practical use to be made. That you could understand it, or not, or like it or not, but if it was made by a person for just fun, express their feelings, or whatever that was not "I need this to survive", it was art. So yeah, anime is art, and so is banana on tape. Now, PRICE on art is a completely different horse, I think. Because animators, and mangaka, and comic artists, and so on need to be paid more for their work, and perhaps 120,000 for a banana on tape was a bit too much.
That’s actually an amazing definition
@@Wonderhoy-er Thanks. My Dad was an amazing art teacher! (Although his real job was to be an accounant)
Art is an expression of what u feel , poems , stories , music , drawing, painting, anything that lets you express your feelings and vision , like rap , graphite etc... they are all ART and all valid
So, land art isn't art? This is gatekeeping! /s
@@jamesholdernameI thought you were serious for a sec lol
Honestly this video reminds me of a situation that happened last year. I was trying to make friends and said “oh yeah I do digital art” and then someone asked to see my drawings and I showed them my Gacha edits and also my “anime” styled drawings and they immediately said to me “none of that is real art” then proceeded to show me their realism drawings. It fucking hurt and I don’t show people my drawings anymore because of that. I am so self conscious of showing my drawings and I now also feel embarrassed to draw what I do. Like it really hurts to have someone tell me the drawings I put hours into and the edits I put hours into “aren’t real” and “don’t matter”. I am now known to the people from that class as “the Gacha edit girl” because I used to (I sort of stopped doing Gacha edits now and dabble in just drawing the characters instead of editing them) do Gacha edits and it was shameful to do at my age and as an artist. It really hurts to have your art policed by people who are so full of themselves who think they know what “real art” is.
Awh I'm so sorry that happened to you! I also make gacha content, not so much edits but I make videos so I understand what that's like. I also draw in an anime style. You really shouldn't be ashamed in what you create. I'm sure that your art is amazing! I believe in you! :D
People like that honestly disgust me. As an artist who has an anime-ish art style, very stylized, I was so happy when people at school asked to see my sketchbook and complimented me on my drawings. It meant so much to me. I don’t understand why some people choose to invalidate artists, saying it’s not realism, so it isn’t art. It’s just disgusting
EWW WHAT AN ABSOLUTE JERK. Friendo, anime art is real art. And Gacha edits take freaking t i m e, as well as it’s just pathetic to make fun of people for their hobbies???
yeah, being a gacha user you tend to get a lot of slander from others if they don't understand gacha - for instance my friends like to go on about how easy it is to do gacha and it really hurts - like they think it's so easy to do and dismiss it.
I feel like they confused "art" for a "drawing". An edit is not a drawing, nor is a song, a photo or literature. But it is art.
I was really lucky that my school art teacher supported my anime art. Probably because art classes in brazilian schools are very different from other countries - I was lucky for even having an art class in my curriculum, because most schools apparently just exclude it for considering it unnecessary and a waste of resources. So, in a way, I guess my teacher was just excited that at least someone in her class had interest in art at all.
When I went to college, though, the conversation was very different. I went to study animation in one of the only two colleges that had it down here (at least back then, I don't know if it changed), and their overall opinion on anime was very... Demeaning. They weren't super aggressively anti anime persay, but many professors still looked down on it and favored the students that foccused more on realistic or more "western" styles. I wasn't reproved for using anime, but the whole time I was in college I felt like I had to distance from ut as much as possible to be respected, which made me miserable. Add that to a bunch of shit that happened in my life, I ended up dropping out.
And after dropping out, I learned how to love drawing again by being unashamed of my anime influence. I took a shorter art course that was way more accepting of anime, and instead of saying it was bad for being anime, they taught me new techiniques and references to make my anime art *better*, snd I loved every second of it. Sadly, because of Covid, I ended up having to leave the course before finishing it and haven't had a chance of going back yet. But I learned a lot more in that single year where I didn't feel pressured to hold back the anime than the four years in college where I felt ashamed of it.
And, well, I might not be the most popular artist out there. I don't know if I even want to be a popular artist. But I'm happy with my drawings like never before, and I think that's what matters.
(Sorry for rambling aaaaa)
That's okay! I tend to ramble in the comments section too because I have trouble with making short comments myself in most cases. Anyway, sorry that happened to you when you were studying animation. I'm glad you got into drawing again and feel more free to draw what you want! I don't know what you plan to do from here on out with your art, but whatever you decide to do, I wish you good luck!
Duchess Celestia have blessed us with another TED talk video about how all art styles should be viewed and treated as art by society! 😊
I remember doing everything in a comic style in highschool, including painting. My art teacher (who loved German expressionism above everything for some reason), called my style cheap, and banal.
So a few of us students decided to group together and form a new artstyle we dubbed "Norwegian banalism".
Good times.
I always liked the anime style, but I haven't really been able to work in that style until very recently, while I also had no trouble drawing realistic bananas since I was 12.
Just like was said, some people have easier times with different things. I practiced trying for the "disney style" for four years and even my best pieces were awful. I drew disney princesses for at least an hour a day every single day for four years and nothing. Realism? Took a week. I mean, obviously not to *master*, but a week to learn to produce something that people will be impressed by is still a big difference, even if I wasn't Leonardo DaVinci. Anime? Yeah no I can't do it. I've tried it on and off for ten years and I just can't do it. I focused on it as my only style for two years and it just doesn't work.
My style definitely draws influences from anime but I don't think anyone would ever call it anime (except maybe a grandparent trying desperately to be hip with the kids)
@@nyandoesthings No matter what I draw, if the eyes are slightly on the large side my parents call it anime…
When I was in high school, I bad an art class that also included IB students. A lot of the IB kids at my school were super pretentious, and were all “art is meant to br super deep.” Meanwhile, as someone who was training to be an animator (now I’m in medical coding- funny how our goals change lol), I just wanted to study anything and everything to make my base skills better.
So, for one of our assignments I repainted black and white photos but how I imagined them in color, so it would showcase my ability to create likeness while also using intuition.
All this is to say, those kids were bamboozled when I told them that there was no deeper meaning behind it aside from that.
I recommend this exercise to any artist who’s interested in studying realism but doesn’t just want to copy a photo directly. It definitely puts your knowledge of color to the test, and you tend to be a bit looser with how you paint because you’re not so focused on getting everything exact
personally ive always seen art as something that is produced from creativity !! this can range anywhere from a hyper realistic drawing of an apple to scribbles on a paper to a music piece someone wrote :0 i know it is a very vague description but it does cover every medium of art,, art is simply just something u create !! what that creation is, how it was made, and its meaning (or lack of meaning) do not make it any more or less valid as a piece of art because it was still created by someone
To my understanding, anime was inspired by the chibi like head shapes and big eye style that Disney used in Bambi so it is an art style inspired by an existing art style
That would also make it realism :0 ! Considering that the Disney animators (for many of the classic movies that had animals) had real animals brought into the studio, they could have their own artistic interpretation of a deer or an elephant.
Although I don't think Art isn't completely subjective, people tend to place "art" on such a high pedestal when most thing we interact in life is art.
Art is art, no matter the way it is made. In my opinion at least.
I am not to be truffled with.
FACTS!!
Reference to math is math?
Before I became better with shading, I did flat works and my art pretty anime style. I was told it was ugly and 'not real', yet works where I added shading would "suddenly" become cool. Nowadays my style is different from then, but I felt ashamed because it felt like I had to make it look realistic to some degree if I didnt want to be shamed
I am not to be truffled with whenever people start gatekeeping a style that people draw in no matter if they do it for fun or as a career. Appreciate the work, don't be an ass about it.
That last sentance is beautiful.
@@rattersworld1016 thank you ahahaha
I was made fun of for even liking anime and cartoons as a younger teen, and while my art teacher didn't say to my face that anime style art wasn't real art, she did talk about it behind my back. My fellow students told me what she said.
Thankfully, my parents were enthusiastic about my art, and when I got my first drawing tablet, a different art teacher and her husband (a fine artist) saw my work and got super excited about i,! They were curious about what I did, and gave me lots of tips and feedback that helped my style. On top of that, while I was revising for exams, I'd make comics to help me revise. My biology teacher saw this during a study class, and was incredibly impressed and found it cool.
So I have dealt with this sort of stuff, but at the same time I've had a huge amount of support, and I think it's important to remember that for every person who doesn't like your art for some petty reason, there's somebody else who will love your style
My media arts professor in my last year of university fully encouraged my anime art style! That same art professor even got me my first job in the art industry ! So I’m glad not all art teachers are hecklers of the anime art style.
I remember my art teacher, and she was a wonderful lady, and I miss her (I'm now in a different school). She was loving everything I did because she saw I have passion for it no matter if it was anime or realism, she could tell I want to learn. She had even a small folder of my older art that I gave her when I was 8
She was the best teacher I had, and I think I ever will have
My art teacher in high school told me privately that he considered all animation and comics as a form of art. He can't say it in front of other teachers, but he literally gave me comics and ideas for illustrations which he considered much better. He also found my drawings from Watership Down were considered not art even when I was using National Geographics by the school I was at. Yes he literally wanted to yell when my artwork was removed due to Fantasy, silk-screen and other pieces because it wasn't art in the eyes of other art teachers. My teacher just rolled his eyes at them and said I deserved my talent to be recognized.
Man, I remember in high school art being looked down on by a classmate who made anime style art because I did realism at that point, which obviously made my art meaningless and therefore just an illustration not real art...
I'm actually studying to be an art teacher, and just wanna say that there is hope. So many of the people I'm studying with love anime styles and whatever. I had a friend ace an assignment by writing a Legend of Zelda fan comic. As the generations of art teachers move on, I can see a positive change coming.
I think the best way to define art is "something that someone created". It doesn't have to have a purpose, or a deeper meaning, it's just the human desire to create something, in whatever form the person in question decides to do so
I am not to be truffled with!
I love hearing your takes on things like this. You have a great way of explaining things. Anyways, I think some people (cough cough, highschool art teachers) need to hear the phrase “art is subjective” a bit more often
My highschool AP art teacher was also the teacher over our schools anime club. With majority of students on his class was also in his club, he told us that there was nothing wrong with anime art, but also would not take it as projects to be turned in. He explained to us that we needed to learn how to get our styles up to par for the college panel that our portfolios would go to at the end of the year.
Honestly, if you think it isn't real art, that's fine! Just don't go around telling people what it is or isn't.
*I am not to be truffled with.*
Bro you mean trifled..???
Honestly idk if I wanna imagine what you can do with truffles
@@djroscurro9859 wait it was trifled-? I saw it as truffled-
When I was going to a different school, I would just be doodling in my sketchbook, AND SOMEONE CAME UP TO ME, AND SAID (nervously) “can you draw me as an anime character?” EVERYONE IN ART CLASS WAS OBSESSED WITH ANIME, and the teacher was completely indifferent
One thing I have to add is this: I was trained kinda traditionally, you know, still nature, landscapes, naked people (idk the english word sorry), portraits. All in acrylics because oil paint is expensive. I am in awe when I see people draw good anime art. I have tried, but I'm really bad at styleization. It's a skill just as hard as realism I think.
I always loved drawing fanart and other illustrated forms of art as a student and being told it isn't real art always crushed me but I never let that stop me and I believe people should do the same. Because I think this flawed concept of what is and isn't art is what really sucks because it's a teacher using their bias to suggest what they think art is and passing it off as fact. Art can be a lot of different things and I'm glad more artist are able to discover what they see as art and stick to it and I always applaud people who still do to this day.
My teacher was pretty chill so I’m glad they let us choose what style we want
(Also the anonymous idea sounds amazing, but the real kicker is trying to find someone who can code or find and already coded thing)
I like the saying: Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder for when it comes to art ^^
I am not to be truffled with.
Everyone has their own opinions, as long as you make and create anything that's meaningful to you or to anyone else, that's what art is for me.
I've always believed that art is any human creation. The value is up in the air, but everything human-made can be an artform if given the opportunity, really.
That’s the whole purpose of Dadaism. Anything created by humans is art, it doesn’t need to have a creative purpose behind it- or any purpose at all.
Anime is Art, its just the Japanese style of art
So I just dont like people saying that
I mean, I can’t really say I’ve had that experience at school where my art teacher was like, “anime isn’t real art”, but then again I haven’t had a school art class since 5th grade ( starting High school on Tuesday for a bit of context ) so I haven’t really heard any of that personally. Personally, I just make art because I like it, and that more or less should be how people view art ( I mean obviously if it’s an art assignment for school or a paid commission it’ll more or less have to be a certain way but I’m just saying this as someone who, as said, hasn’t had a school art class since 5th grade and has never done any official commissions ). That’s just my silly little opinion
for me, art is what someone creates what some woke up and said "I'm going to put this together" even if it's morally wrong like NSFW it's still considered art because it was created was bought to life by one or more people even tho we wish that negative art wasn't art it still is. Nothing we do can separate it from art but we just have to live with it not normalize it and if it happens it happens to call them out and move on but art, in general, is creation or life it doesn't have to have meaning if it's created then it is art! (sorry for the horrid grammar).
This is a great video with awesome points, and I was freaked out when you said "drawing hatsune miku" because that's literally what I was doing while watching the video
Wow Celestia, you've been pumping out so many videos lately, and they have all been interesting topics! Keep up the amazing work ❤
I was actually expecting this because so far she has been extremely open minded and she draws in a cartoon-y style
Whenever I question the value of what I'm doing, I go back and look at the things I've done before, both the good and the bad ones. If what I'm doing is meaningless, how did i improve so much? Then i normally feel better
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Am pretty glad that my highschool teacher didn't criticize us for what we drew as long as we completed the assignment properly. I loved drawing dragons whenever I had the chance and had no realism abilities whatsoever but she still liked it and put it in the end of the year gallery with all the other pieces that at least had noticeable effort put into them. As a fragile, derpy kid, I feel I might have stopped drawing if she was like other teachers I hear stories about.
the discussion on what art means is very interesting, because it makes me think about how art classes work. teaching someone the academia based meaning of art can make them very confused, and i wish it was agreed upon that art itself is very very personal and detached from any "rules" that try to bind it. unfortunately, academia is known for its elitism and opression of individuality, so sources like you who bring up the discussion with the most genuine and unbiased view possible are very, very valuable. thank you, celestia!
also, i am not to be truffled with (:
My teachers from highschool and my first year of college would discourage me from drawing anime art. But luckily my teachers in college were encouraging me to do my anime art on my freestyle assignments
meanwhile ive just been here vibing like "if you made it and call it art then congrats you made some fucking art" like idk why it has to be so hard lmao, i draw character art for fun bc i just like making designs and doing funky poses and shit, it makes me happy and it doesnt even need a meaning every time - i wish more people shared this kinda view
Ya know when the question of "real art" really starts to get confusing? When it comes to the case of Ai art ,done by computer coding and depiction, winning an art contest pit against artist who hand painted all their art.
This happened on twitter, someone posted a discord chat bragging about how their Ai generated art was able to beat art done by human hand. How people couldn't tell the difference between what was human or computer made.
Is Ai still legitimate art? Or should it be kept out of competitions because it's never made by human hand. Does coding art still count as human hand made art, just a different way of creating it? The answer is very complicated and difficult.
AI is illegitimate art because its made by something without emotion or artistic intent. It is the only form of illegitimate art that exists. The only artists that I could possibly stomach calling artists w/ the ai is the creators of the ai themselves. Most Ai "artists" are merely clients, typing in a google search to get specifically what they want, and steal for their own benefit. That's not to mention the millions of unconsenting artists whose work is used as training data.
Yes and no. People who “make” AI art aren’t artists, yet the final product is art. I hate the whole entire concept of AI art, and that’s probably the one reasonable thing about it.
As for who the artist is, that’s where it gets complicated. Are the artists the unconsenting creators of the millions of pieces that it steals from, or the AI itself?
dumb tv show idea: Ai developers compete against each other to create an ai generated piece of art based off of a specific theme. It's like a baking competition show, but with ai.
The idea is to create a somewhat cohesive picture that properly conveys that episode's theme.
To add more of a challenge, the judges will make the contestants put several pictures of something random into the ai image library and incorporate that into the final image. (for example, the contestants' ai art will have to have a duck in it while sticking to the main theme.)
Oh the contestants also have 3 tries to generate a piece of art, after the 3rd try the contestant can only choose between the 3 images their ai created to present to the judges.
The judges would be a bunch of tech developers and artists who will judge the contestant based off of their programming and the artistic qualities of the ai image.
I think apart from one scenario in seventh grade, where there was a debate whether all anime art was perverted, and my teacher asked me about it as a very suggestive thumbnail popped up on youtube when he was looking for a video for educational purposes and I, known as a anime lover, was asked about it, I’ve been mostly lucky so far. While I’m mostly way too oblivious to social standards anyway, I also show off my whole art because I am proud of what I’m making. Yes, I got bullied in school but regarding my art I luckily never let it get under my skin. The better I became over the years the more positive the feedback became despite most of it being anime art, because that is what I’m most comfortable with. I even had this art teacher, that encouraged us throughout what I think would be high school in America. To approach the assignments she gave us in our very own way unless the assignment targets something very specific like realistic portrait drawing. This way I ended up getting a very good review of her for a vocaloid fanart I made featuring the song virgin suicide putting the lyrics I felt had the most meaning into visual action and writing an essay about why and how I did, what I did.
On my families side, my mom wasn’t all to happy, as I began to create anime art at first and sticking with it throughout the years, but seeing where I’ve gotten now, makes her really proud and she dropped the criticism that in hindsight was actually meant to help me. The rest of my family however was very supportive right from the beginning, got me the art material I wished for and still does, because with big things I wait for Christmas and my birthday which lie pretty close together and ask my family to put together for one bigger gift I or one of them alone usually could not afford. I have to especially feature my grandma here, because she even proudly presented my anime art as her profile picture and is literally always so proud when I paint something.
The other more tense meet up I had on this front was with a new colleague who studied design and then decided to work with children. When I got to talkt with him about how much I liked drawing and that I played on the thought of pursuing design studies after finishing my studies on early childhood education and showed him the stuff that I did, he took a similar road as depicted in the video. I remember him saying things like ‘everyone is doing this style nowadays’ and ‘they all pretty much look the same’ I strikingly disagreed and looked up material of different genre, explaining to him, the different choices made and then, he took a step back, admitting he didn’t know that and genuinely apologised.
This story could have made a whole video on it’s own and if you read until the end, thank you so much for your attention. In conclusion I have to say, I’m not a professional and I can only imagine how much of a different pressure lies on them. I’m with all the people who love anime and experience this because I imagine it to be very hurtful and while I can’t proclaim any valid definition of art I think artist should be allowed to try anything they want, even if it is new and uncommon, as long as no damage is yielded to anyone in the process. With that said I wish all of you a wonder evening.
That must have taken a long time to write
@@zhenyabrouwer-kravchuk8766 It wasn’t as much as you might think, but I am also very passionate on the topic^^"
Thanks again for the great point of view .. It's always nice to hear the voice of multiple sides 👌🏽
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Very interesting perspective on what is and isn’t art. When I look at art I don’t think about what is and isn’t art usually but instead what is art I enjoy, as something I dislike is still art. Sad to hear about the competitions ending as I was planning to participate this month when I have more time! I am not to be truffled with.
To me art is is creating something, it truly doesn’t matter what it is as long as you made it
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“I am not to be truffled with” there! I did it. Great video, and I totally agree with your message
my art teacher(not from school or uni, I'm 23 and I'm doing an art course) loves anime art and even has a separate course that focus only on anime style, but he never despise the importance on studying realism because it gives you(and it DOES!!!)a better notion on how to stylize your trace. I just love his approach on this subject.
This video was put together wonderfully and as an artist who mainly does anime/cartoon styled art, I've always sorta struggled when talking to my family about what I wanted to do for the future and as a career. I'm just glad it isn't a me thing and something the community generally has an issue with. In a way it brings a lot of us closer together.
I’m relieved my high school art teacher was extremely chill. He watches anime too, and even recommended a few to me! He’s also really understanding about the desire to draw what you want, but he does motivate students to expand their palette/style! Hell, our first class with him was dedicated to learning about Aboriginal arts!
I think a lot of this real art/not real art debate boils down to simple jealousy, particularly when money and fame are in question. I'm sure a lot of classical style artists, who took years honing their skill in the hope to finally be able to stand next to the old "art masters," felt pretty miffed when all of a sudden nobody cared about their "outdated" art and paid all their attention to modern artists who simply made collages of everyday objects, or splattered paint on a canvas, that likely took much less overall effort than a highly-detailed realistic scenery would need. I also think there was a lot of jealousy surrounding digital art and anime art back when it first started getting big online in the early 2000s since so many people were making bank (and are still making bank) on "simple, low effort art" (putting that in quote since I know many people put a lot of skill and effort and thier digital works). I mean modern art, digital and anime included, did totally shake up the art world, and by now modern art has pretty firmly took over as the most popular and profitable art form, from graphic design to cartoons to displays in many high end art galleries.
Art to me is just any form of creative expression that a person creates whether it’s realistic, cartoony or even music,photography and other stuff in that catagory
I’m going to vocational school for graphic design and animation for my 2 remaining years of high school and when we went on a field trip to the school to get kids interested the teacher had a class intro video showing things that he sees as inspirational art. These included things like Omori, Into the Spiderverse, and clips from multiple animated (both western and anime) shows and movies, along with things involving cgi. We got to see examples of the art from current students and it amazed me how much their art just seemed to be so personal and less corporate like I thought the class would be, that’s what convinced me to sign up. I get to do digital art for half of my school day and that is awesome to me! I start school again in a little over a month and one of my best friends since 5th grade (we’re incoming high school juniors now) is going into the class with me, so I’m super excited to be able to start my formal art education so early on!
Since finding your videos i have been watching/listening nonstop as i draw myself. I enjoy what you discuss how you give information and viewpoints from both sides of the argument, the bgm your own art and comfy vibes.
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I find animation, anime, and illustration very pleasing. I have seen some manga / anime art look very realistic.
Personally, I think everything can be art. Pairing, Digital drawing, Music, Writing, Discourt. It only depends on the way YOU see it.
I prefer when I can see what the image is supposed to be, no matter the style. For me, art is just a matter of taste, one piece can cost millions and for the wrong person it won't even be worth the canvas it's on. I love gorgeous cartoon styles (like anime).
I am not to be truffled with! If I want to learn perspective, color theory or anything else, by drawing the things I like in the style I enjoy, why is my skill level worth any less? So much knowledge goes into these art pieces, wether we chose to break those rules or not ❤️
i am a 19-year old hobby cartoonist, i have been in an art school for a couple of months (I left because the classes and project were overwhelming). My school accepted most forms of art, as long as you can present your work and talk about your creative process. I think the process and thought makes art what it is, no matter what medium you use. As long as you can present your talent through your own style.
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My high-school art teacher was very supportive no matter your skill level or the way you choose to express yourself, she also allowed us to wear our headphones in class to help us concentrate or be inspired , honestly she's one of the reason I want to become an illustrator today. It's a shame a lot of teacher don't realize the impact they have on their students.
celestia!!! youve done like 4 videos in the span of 8 days calm down! 😭😭😭
The best way I can define art is a medium for thoughts, not necessarily abstract thoughts, any thought.
Stuff like this is why my attitude towards a lot of debates is “do whatever you want.” It’s art if you say it is. If you want to define it as something more specific, go ahead. If other people don’t, they can do that too. Just try to respect each other regardless of how different your views may be.
I personally don’t feel the need to find a clear definition for art. My philosophy on art (and life in general) is to do the best you can, try to avoid causing harm as much as possible, do what you want to do, and respect everyone else’s freedom to do the same.
Art is the sky
Art is water
Art is sketch
Art is clay
Art is everything art wants to be and more
Need to admit, I LOVE your whole Windows pastel theme! Especally the video window is your png characture!
i am not to be truffled with when it comes to "real art" gatekeeping. works created in most (if not all) art styles will always be valid. just let people draw in the style that makes them happy and comfortable with as long they aren't using it to hurt anyone or doing something unacceptable.
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Art can be a lot of things, it can be used to describe things as beautiful, it can be sculptures, pixels on a tablet, black crayon on a paper, music, a build, vases and pretty much anything you can create. If you would make a vase then that would be your art piece, you could make a build in sims and that could be considered art and if you make a fire then that can be art. As we can see, anything can be art.
Funnily enough. My art teacher was pretty cool about what I drew.
It was one of my other classmates in art who said "but he always just draws the same thing."
...I am not to be truffled with.
I remember my friend (who's an art major) told me that her teacher told her something along the lines of: "Learning how to do art can help you draw anime, but drawing anime isn't the end all be all of art. It's *AN* artsyle, not de facto *ART.* You shouldn't stop at just "being able to draw anime" because there's a lot more things out there. So embrace everything, it would help you do more."
I was pretty lucky in highschool; bith the art teacher and digital art teacher were fine with any and all art, including fanart. The traditional art teacher was an abstract artist, stoner activist type guy. He was great, he let me use my personal sketchbook as class work, so I didn't even have to do the assignments that didn't interest me. My art was very anime/manga style. And the digital art/photography teacher was also the philosophy teacher, and if you tried to argue anime isn't real art to him he'd pull you into a philosophical convo of "Well then, what *is* art?" He's also a bit of a weeb himself so, he enjoyed seeing fanart and OCs turned in as class work.
It baffles me that teachers out there are trying to stifle creativity over a style. The kids I went to school with absolutely thrived. The OCs some ppl came up with were amazing. Someone made an original vocaloid design, another has this insane mech guy, I forget what he was an OC for cause I'm not into mech much but it was cool! If the style doesn't matter, then we have so much more room to just go wild with ideas and techniques and shit.
art-something created with passion
Someone once told me "Art is subjective" And I think about that all the time. Cause it's so true. Who is anyone to say "that's not art" when to others it is. Now there are some lines for that saying. But above the line this is what I feel about this topic.
i love your channel because of these nuanced videos about the art community!!
I really love your approaches in these videos! And they also make me think about my own opinions when it comes to art or in this case on how to define art. I just discovered your channel one or two months ago and it is now my favorite art commentary channel
What you said about style is exactly why I don't normally like hyper realism art :')
i feel like more than validating for others we should validate art for ourselves...art is in the eye who sees it not in the others' one...
I had 3 different supportive art teachers in school.
In middle school, my art teacher saw the manga-style characters that I drew and told me to try submitting my work to creative contests that were held in our library.
In High School, my art teacher wanted us to follow the curriculum but every Friday, he gave us freestyle assignments and said it was fine if we wanted to draw Anime.
And in College, my art teacher noticed I liked drawing manga and told me it was alright but since I was still finding my style, he said I should try other forms and if I found that I liked the Anime-style most, I could just go back to it. He told me that it was important to try new things because even if I don’t end up using other styles I can still bring what I learned from them and apply them to create my own.
I don’t do art as a career and only as a hobby, but I am very grateful to the teachers I had. My teachers never ridiculed me for liking the Anime style, but instead gave advice to help me grow.
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I do think it is important to try new things because it helps you grow and what you learn can be applied to what you choose in the end.
in my opinion, art is the expression of your soul and emotions, if you put your emotions into your creation that's art
Over the course of me training to become a high school art teacher, I learned that telling someone not to draw in an anime style won't help them learn to draw. You know what helps high school kids learn to draw? Them actually just drawing. That's right. Who would have thought that if you just keep drawing you'll improve. It's up to the student to take initiative in seeking improvement, otherwise they will (most of the time) reject the help. I am there to give them the resources to help them reach their goal. Of course school will closely check in with your classes to monitor standards your student will reach, which makes teaching the students difficult since you basically have to get 30ish students of vastly different ability to be on the same page... Which is why I highly encourage keeping a sketchbook. Draw all the anime you want kid. And when a student wants to draw anime, but they also want to level up their art, I can show them anatomy, proportion, gesture, etc. And most times the student comes back realizing that what they wanted to draw, anime, and real life are not so different from what they thought. When you can't see some thing, you just lump it in as part of the style. But once you understand it, even just partially, you begin to see that the artist drew it that way because they wanted it to look like that. And so you have to ask your students before and after they learn new things: "What is it you want to draw, what do you want it to look like, and how will you get there?" And if they aren't just in the class for credits.... they will most likely think pretty hard about it. So at the end of the day, draw your anime. I will be watching.
I’m an anime artist, and every time someone tells me that anime is not art - I just look at all the western masterpieces that consist of random brush strokes and pineapples. Instant assurance that I’m an artist.
This reminds me of what one of my art history professors once said: "Art is what people say is art."
I'm glad I had a professor in college that defined art in that light because it made me see that there's no one absolute definition of art. It's like you said, there's no universal definition of art, which explains why this debate of what defines art would probably never end as long as we humans are still around.
Great video by the way! I like that you took a different direction to this conversation from most " My teacher thought anime isn't "real" art" videos. No offense to those videos of course. The stories of bad experiences are valid and needed to be heard. I just so happen to appreciate this approach to the subject as well.
I just graduated college for illustration and my lecturers wer properlly angry against anime-style art. They said it was too popular, too easy, and lazy. Ugh
My elementary to middle school art teacher had a special grading sistem where the artwork we had to make in class was graded with a red X (or a half of it for lower grade) and any additional artworks that we wanted to show him he could grade with a green X (or a half of it). If you got a half red x and wanted to raise your mark, you could show him a green X you have in your album and get a better grade (and that green x was crossed out because you spent it)
It was amazing and I remember I even had green Xs on some of my anime-ish artworks, so that art teacher was chill with that I guess
Actually, I’d argue Socrates is the most inclusive one. To draw as is and not what appears to be is to portray the essence, and not just the shell or representation. It’s what makes Monet’s paintings or Van Gogh or Sorolla’s paintings feel so real instead of just copying what they see; it has a soul, a place (often painted in the very location! A practice I adamantly recommend). So whatever a flower is to you, a flower is to you. “There is no art, only artists”
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To this day I am grateful, that my teacher encouraged me to pursue my prefered style and didn't force me in one.
Art is what you make. Remixes are still music made by you just inspired and based around certain things. Fan art is art you made for a character who you did not create, but you made it. You can't change my mind. Anime is art. Abstract is art. Music is art. Digital art is art.
The fact that my art teachers like my anime art style, they let us be really creative with our projects. Yeah there are time where we have to draw in certain styles but my teachers are pretty open with artistic styles. Sometimes they'll even give me some composition and proportion tips to help my art improve :D
Every art style scrutinised by the fine art world in the last century or two has after the most notable artist who painted in that style’s death become immensely popular in the fine art world, ironic.
I'm back here with another rambling on the topic, so yeah. There we go.
I don't think studying the fundamentals literally means measuring and staring at a Michelangelo painting for hours on end (but, speaking from experience, that can help too. that's how I learned collarbones exist and how to stylize them in order to fit my art style and I'll be forever thankful to the Sixtine Chapel for that).
A rough idea of what's considered fundamentals can work, too! You can study the fundamentals without working with them.
I've never did any photorealistic portrait but still I know the basic stuff like volume and anatomy and what details go where.
Really, just a little bit of dedication and attention are all it takes. And you can use that to push your own very damn stylized style further!
I saw this interesting detail. Wonder, how would it go simplified? Ooooh, I like this, I'll draw this line here from now on! (no, this is not the tale of me studying lighting on cheekbones and how that stuff actually works so I can draw passable cheekbone definition, not at all hahaha)
Studying from life, be it for anatomy or anything else does not equal drawing from life. And yes, this might be a very hot take and might not work for everyone and maybe I'm one of those **gasp** "ignorant" and "shallow" artists who do art for the sake of art, with no emotion behind it, but it's how I approach practice and study so I figured I might share because there are a lot of young artists who struggle with similar things.
I've been there, done that. Study from life, use it in your very much anime art style. Heck, someone I met on an Artist's Alley and I later befriended was in art school. And her art style is more simplified than mine is, but it looks really freaking good. Why? Because she used the basics to stylize.
**drink a glass of water every time I say "stylized" in this comment**
Ah I had the very same experience, a college art professor gave me an F for drawing anime, told me it's not art, it's cliche, and I wasn't allowed to draw that way in his class ever again despite how hard I worked for 4 years to reach that class and be allowed to "draw whatever" I wanted. My 4.0 GPA went down to 3.4 because of that. But you know what? I still draw anime, cartoons, videogame characters, and fanart, and I make a living doing it, so big middle finger to him lol.
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Tbh I think stylization isn’t just a look, it’s a tool to emphasize the important, and convey a certain emotion, or just to look nice
In my experience, i feel that the whole 'anime art isnt real art' thing is kind of misinterpreted. Art teachers are meant to, well teach, and a good art teacher knows that foundation and drawing from real life is going to be almost essential for you to draw great in any other style, including anime styles. These are probably just bad experiences with teachers that people have but they know that art style is a thing, so they drill in the foundation and then you can do what you want with that foundation and expand upon it in your own style.
I am not to be truffled with! I honestly think art is art when it gives people feelings. Even just a little joy can make some random doodle into a masterpiece in my opinion