Why SO MANY ARTISTS Are Burnt Out (Hustle Culture & The Art Community) || SPEEDPAINT + COMMENTARY
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0:00 - Intro
1:00 - Squarespace
2:10 - Explanation & Background
5:10 - Impact on Creativity & Growth
8:05 - Why We Can't Just Stop
10:10 - Emotional Burnout
12:00 - Physical Burnout
13:20 - Conclusion
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My partner is not an artist, but he said one good line - "If I want all the money and career, I'd need to work all days and nights, you'd feel neglected and leave me. What's the point of doing all that work if in the end I wouldn't have anyone to eat dinner with?"
That one's a keeper, you got a good one 👍👍
Best quote of the decade: 🏆🏆🏆🏆
It's so hard to not adopt the hustle culture mindset as an artist/Vocaloid producer but in the end the price for that kind of success is too much for me to pay
You are like 13 years old. All you make are covers. Focus on song creation, find your genre and your vocaloid tuning skills will follow. You can't expect success from nothing.
@@phatweeb69 oh god the weebs have found me
@@phatweeb69 why not just say something like “you’re too young to worry about stuff like this, just focus on doing what you like” instead of something weird like this…
@@phatweeb69 get your gross self away from a child, for god's sake. What a disgrace of a human being. You have zero reasons to exist, you're fully incapable of creation, and you dare to narrate young talents with your bs "advice".
@@crownedollI’m pretty sure that person is just a troll so don’t worry about them
as artist who does mostly illustration i went to art school for graphic design. i got extremly bad 2 and a half year burn out from all hustle culture and our professors forcing it on us. at one point i got told my my graphic design professor ''thats too creative too artistic''' and new gd professor that came in last year of school who after 30 of my sketches, 4 different finished products told me i didnt put enough effort totally broke me, i didnt want to draw anymore bcs it wasnt enjoyable anymore all my ideas were milked that there was no more anything. it was all about profit and money and 0% about what art is, expressing yourself. just this year i went back.
@@emmanuelmercado4018 i finished my school last year
sounds like we had the same tutor😑
Hustle culture honestly is so damn pervasive that even with me not really being a professional or posting UA-cam videos or really trying to grow my social media presence I still ended up giving in to it. I was drawing near daily for years and eventually I got so stale I couldn’t do anything for weeks at a time. I’m just now starting to come back out of that and trying my best to not get hung up on it again
omg same you're not alone in this
Hustle culture is kinda why I’m trying to focus on creating a business based on artwork that I can mass produce (ex: stickers). This way i can make money without having to constantly work on drawing like i would with commissions. It’s not ideal but I don’t have the mental stamina that most have so I’m finding my own way to try and keep up
As it become easy and obvious, millions of people have the same idea, it's difficult to earn for living from this (or mugs, tshirts, wallarts, etsy stuff etc.). And it gets you to the point from the video - to sell anything you must produce what people want, not what you want, it's similar to commissions, but commissions gives more satisfaction as you create for a specific person, sometimes they make you a better artist as you must do something new what you would never do:)
as a side hustle that can work, but dont make it ur primary job because it does NOT pay well (even if it does pay to some degree, you're likely not gonna be able to make a living off of it anyway)
I don't even have a job right now, but I'm afraid that no matter what job I get, I'll end up hating it and feeling burnt out. I want a career in art, but I'm afraid it won't be sustainable, and my other option is chemistry, but I don't want to have to sacrifice my hobbies for it.
Your gona have to make sacrifices in life. If you stop for a period of time you can always get back into it. Pluss if you get a well paying job you have extra money to invest in your art as a side gig. Look up Dave ramsys too get smart with money. When you have a handle on it you'll have options
My parents are letting me live with them rent free as long as I do most of the chores and watch my nephew when they’re not home, that’s the only reason Im able to do as much art as I do. I wish everyone had the ability to just be able to do art as much as they’d like without worry about life 😞
I have IRL friends in the animation major in my college that are genuinely miserable in their major because of presence of hustle culture, mixed in with the sheer competitive nature of finding any kind of art job in general. The worst part is that for pretty much them and every one else in the major, it's their *only* option. :(
As an optimist, I do want something to be done about hustle culture--and by extension the treatment of artists from all kinds of fields in the workplace as a whole--but I acknowledge that it is genuinely a key to survival for some.
To anyone that does art of any kind--and to echo the conclusion of this video--it is absolutely important to try and take breaks and take time for yourself. Your skills as an artist are absolutely NOT dictated by any kind of numbers, whether it's revenue or likes. Don't compare yourself to others, and if art is something that you truly and deeply love and want to do, then don't let yourself or anyone discourage you from wanting to pursue that passion. And if you feel burnout of any kind, try to find ways to de-stress and focus on things that *aren't* drawing.
I know all of that sounds easier said than done, and I'm not SUPER great with words, and I *also* understand that not everyone may share this same sentiment, but I hope this at least helps someone that may feel trapped in this vicious cycle.
the most important thing to learn about numbers as an artist: its not about how many you get, its all about WHO they are from. do you want high numbers if its all from trend tourists and dangerous people? i sure as heck dont!
tbh art itself is a horrible industry to get into at the moment. it doesnt pay well at all, unless youre the ~0.1% that sells shitty ""modern"" paintings to millionaires
its best to get a stable job that you can live off of and support yourself, and then indulge in your hobbies.
like... i love art. art is fun, art is cool, but i want to be able to eat something other than 2$ ramen every week
@@thebininabin4410You do know there's more to art jobs than painting right? There's clothing design, architectural design, advertising, and even web design to an extent.
We have been told "Choose a job you love and you'll never have to work a day in your life” , honestly the biggest lie ever😭 just because you enjoy something doesn't mean you must monetize it, and it took me so long to understand this but it was too late cuz I already got so burnt out that even a year later I'm still not completely back to art, something that I was obsessed with my whole life. Having another, stable job, and doing art in free time is much better for me personally..
This is what makes me hesitant to actually achieve my dreams of working in an art centric field I'm so glad you talked about it I finally feel like I'm not crazy for being so hesitant
I'm burnt out and I don't even make art xD Getting started is daunting. Good luck to everyone who is grinding to perfect their craft, and remember to enjoy the process! That's the best part
I got out of college more than a year ago, studying illustration. The pure focus on hustle culture gave me such burn-out that I haven't drawn since :(
I was hospitalised this year for a chronic illness I didn't know that I had and decided that I'm done with trying to do art fulltime.
I was also suffering from burnout and was starting to dislike making art.
I've gone part time with my art, changed the kind of art that I make to sell and I save my personal art for myself. Things have been so much better for me.
With all the recent events making it that much harder to live as an artist, I notice I took some compensery toxic habits, making me burned out. I recently decided to recenter my art process around how I feel about it, letting myself be taken over by the flow when it happens and just setting Skyrim on fire or seeing my friends when it doesn't. I also stopped posting my art online, and both those decision made me realise I am much happier when I draw now. I'm just letting myself have fun like I did when I was a kid instead of stressing myself out about losing my place in the industry in the future. I feel like the current online and irl environnement for artist is not healthy.
As someone who draws but doesn't post anything ,I'm really pissed every damn time someone suggest I become an artist as a job and that "I have to "sell my things .
I see how toxic the art market is right now nor do I care about what other people want me to draw - at all - so literally everything I draw is absolutely irrelevant because it's not trendy , polished, or fan based .
If I ever do end up making an art / Sims channel it will flop and I won't care 💪💪💪
Hell yeah!
I feel your words. Drawing is one of the only things that helps me a little bit not losing hope in life. And when I (rarely) show some of my works I almost always hear something like "oOoOoh you are sooo great! Do it as your career and make lots of money from it!!"
It's more complicated than that but others won't listen or care.
I am not willing to lose my fondness for art for stupid hustling.
@@nelsama0881totally, like making money off of art is an obligation rather than an option 😑
Bro I feel you 😭 my mum keeps proudly telling everyone and me that she's gonna make me major in fine arts and when I tell her to stop she says "but you always draw tho 🤨"
@@akaiatama oh boy, that sounds so stressful ! Best of luck getting her off your back - moms are a notoriously tenacious lot 😏
Everyone needs to relax, even the most hard working person needs to realize that without rest - your hard work goes to waste and you become worse at it. We are not machines and your free time to do absolutely nothing is justified even more if you normally work long hours.
A lot of passionate artists who do their craft when inspiration comes to them live the most healthy life, nobody forces them, nobody is judging them, they do not feel useless for taking a break and they always come out on top of the game.
Unlike the so called "inspirational" dudes "WORK HARD, OR ELSE" time pressure and amount of work made in that timeframe is not gonna decide whether one is professional. You already are professional if you love doing your job and don't have to force yourself out of bed for it every morning.
These people are just promoting social Darwinism. They believe that only strong shall live and weak shall perish like Nazis did.
Celestia uploads = day made
Also, that art is BEAUTIFUL!
agreed!
Honestly even if it's a different profession a lot of what's said here applies to my Writing Job. It got to a point late last year working on College stuff that I genuinely suffered from really bad depression and still do even if it's more under control. I used to be an avid Fanfiction Writer and enjoyed watching shows and writing whatever I felt like, but somewhere along the line it became a job in itself.
This Video came out at the perfect time for me because I feel like I'm not alone when I say that I'm a workaholic to the day I die. Recently I've started reindulging myself in my Gaming Hobbies though. I still feel this urge to keep working and working but it feels better to try and take a step back. UA-cam Anime and Video Games are becoming my comfort again. It's weird, taking a step back and watching the video now I can't unsee myself in those situations that Mangaka die in. So I'm gonna try to make a change and I already am.
All this to say, thank you for bringing up this topic.
This video just summarized my life these past 4 years, ever since I started working professionally as an artist.
I just hope this someday will change, I'm constantly being forced to look for a regular, more stable job than my freelance art job because of constantly feeling burnt out or guilty if I'm not creating or doing something productive or that will earn me more engagement. Pretty sure more artists feel the same way...
People from an outside perspective barely imagine what artists have to go through to make it, and I'm glad channels like yours exist.
Best of luck for any artists and others out there to keep surviving this toxic culture demands!
Earning engagement in social medias is pretty hard so i dont recommend unleashing all your energy and just posting everytime. Take it slow. You can also practice on how to draw faster by simplifying your art
@lyroseart 🫂💙
If I could get and keep a regular job, I wouldn't even bother trying with art. Like the whole thing is basically a scam, the market is massively oversaturated thanks to all these people who were promoting the dream of being a professional artist since Patreon became a thing.
As someone who is trying finish an art portfolio to apply to art school, the best way of trying to make work more enjoyable is to listen to some music that you rlly like (imo). For me it helps distract me from getting too stressed out from school work and art assignments, and also gives me motivation to do more. But remember to take breaks, drink lots of water and give yourself small goals that you know you can achieve. Take small baby steps instead of taking in big tasks. But that's about it, try and just enjoy what you do atm. If everything is too much, take breaks and change the environment a bit (to keep things interesting and fresh).
gl to u. art industry is... not looking good rn. maybe by the time u get out of art school things will look up (so you can actually find a stable job)
I just don't even know what I'm doing anymore. I used to be able to do some low tier commission works, mostly pet portraits before AI art was a thing, then it stabbed me so hard in the confidence that I deactivated by business account and couldn't even message a single person since December to ask if they want any work from me due to my mental state.
My dream was one day reaching the level where I can make my country's minimum wage, about $500 a month with my art through commissions, but I'd even be okay with half of that at this point. I know that I'll never have a house on my own, I'll never have a family on my own, I'll never have a car, not even a bicycle. I don't even care, I just wanted to live from doing cute and meaningful little commissions for random people that will make them happy for a few dollars with honest work and live off bread and water if I can't afford anything else, but I doubt I'll ever make a single penny again with my art. I don't think I was asking for much, but it seems to be the case. Some days when I can't even force myself to make anything I just wish I could've died a few years ago full of hopes and dreams.
Yeah, I’ve had burnout for pretty much a year now, it sucks so much because I WANT to draw and animate but I can barely bring myself to do even the little stuff.
I always see all the artists esp in the warrior cats community, where it’s very elitist on who the map hosts choose. Same people every time. And I always compare my art to those of my friends and people I look up to and I just feel awful, because some of those people are younger or the same age as me, and I just feel miserable.
I used to be able to make multiple pieces a day, now I can barely finish one- typically they stop in a sketch phase. It saddens me but i cant bear to draw much more.
I can relate to this 🫂🌧
This sounds alot like Karoshi, a Japanese term that anime heavy UA-camrs bring up every now and then. It roughly translates to overworking yourself to death as your body finally gives up from the stress and lack of care. The end result is they drop dead randomly. Does your SO have to force you to take a break?
It's interesting to watch this after coming out of a burn out cycle and starting to find joy in creating art again.
Burnout is the bane of my existence. I've hit many walls in my career and I know that if I keep working myself to the bone I'll end up burnt out, exhausted and antisocial. I can't stop working on my art, I'm always looking for inspiration, looking at Pinterest for reference pics and drawing while my hobbies are in the background. It's not healthy and I often force myself to take breaks and watch the shows I've been meaning to get into and go out with friends, anything to touch grass... And when I do I feel like I'm wasting time 😫.
Even while I'm currently on bed rest due to injury I'm still drawing. I'm still up late and running on energy drinks, caffeine and sugar. Remember everyone
Take. Breaks. You. Will. Be. More. Refreshed
I always make myself draw a comic page every day for my comic since I really want to see it realised and when I don't, I feel like I should be drawing. I know I should stop but I just can't stop thinking about it. It is not like I have a huge following, it is just the thought that if I do more ambitious stuff, I will have a huge following.
I have adhd, I can't do the hustle as easily as others, so I take a huge break of a hour or two to give myself some time to be a kid, I practice animation and art at the same time with filpacilp, it's difficult but works because I need to practice smooth lineart without help, but I still do have sleep issues so I play games during night and eat, I don't drink much coffee because I feel weird if I drink coffee for days and save it for when I'm exhausted or late, I still barely eat but that's because I forget to eat, please let yourself be human and take breaks
The fact that I'm starting a webtoon and I'm extremely nervous of how things will end out reminded me of this. I'm always stressing and overthinking about the fact that people might (and most likely, in my opinion) hate and discourage me from continuing. The desire to constantly be better at drawing and writing to become great like other creators has been growing alot lately. I have to keep reminding myself that I'm doing this for myself and not others. To anyone who feels the same way or similar, please do remember that you are already doing great. Yes, improving is important but so is your life and mental health. I wish you all great luck in what you are doing and have a nice day!!
That's why I chose art to never be by career, but my escape from it.
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I dont want it as a carrer too so I agree with you.
That’s the same thing with me with other passions. I feel like if I’m “forced” to do certain tasks and assignments with a particular passion that I’ll start to really hate it. It’s definitely happened before, game design classes got me less and less interested in making a game because we had to do a massive project that was forced to be a particular genre of game and it felt like you were trapped rather than having fun.
@@lulub517 ur replies arent showing up so
real sorry for you. game design is so cool and its sad to see it ruined for someone
but yeah, entering any creative space as a job sucks. if u wanna get big, you gotta be original and ambitious enough to create like a studio or something to become the 0.1% whos careers take off
There is a great commentary on this kind of mentality that goes something like this:
Look at what you are doing. You are fighting so that you have more time to spend [with your loved ones] later. Yet by working too much, you are wasting the time you have right now. The future is never certain. Enjoy the time you have at present.
I was ever expecting to hear anything Bungo Stray Dogs related in this, but it just goes to show how talented a creator Asigiri is. Ignoring everything else because I’m honestly too tired and burnt out to talk about it-I doubt you’ll see this, but if you do Duchess, where did you read the BSD light novels? I’ve been meaning to get my hands on them
For awhile I went into such deep burn out that I just couldn’t get out any art that I was proud of, but due to the intense push of people around me, I never took a break from it. Eventually I kind of lost myself and just stopped doing art for a month or two. And now, I don’t think I have ever been happier with my art. Taking a break, is one of the best things I have decided to do. I found my art style, and new hobbies. I think this video explains all struggles with burn out and hustle culture really well.
There is always option D. Choose a regular job and go back to doing only the art you enjoy as a hobby. Especially when you are at a point where you feel that your job as an artist is harder than other jobs you could be doing, pick one of the jobs that you think are easier and more enjoyable for you and do it full-time. Either it turns out that the non-art job actually is a better fit, that gives you less burnout and more fulfillment: Then you have found a better job and got an enjoyable hobby back.
… or it turns out that actually your job as an artist was pretty good after all and you get back to it with new found appreciation. In any case it is a net positive.
I was in the hustle culture in the art merch industry for a year and it was genuinely one of the most soul crushing experiences I ever had as an individual with ADHD and ASD, a cutthroat industry where I was expected to strip all the love and soul from my work, to the point of a huge mental low point last winter. The last straw for me was being told I shouldn't expect people to emotionally connect with my work, and it was just there was a means to an end to make money. It really turned my stomach and made me realize that this industry was not for me at all, since I draw what I love and enjoy. I think I would rather be stabbed than my art to lack soul or expression, erasing that human part of myself felt deeply wrong to me. It's no surprise that once I closed shop, I started to greatly improve with my art and my mental health to go way up, even if now I work at a big and noisy retail store.
Really an awesome video, highlighting the biggest issues us artists have to deal with on the daily. I know what burnout is like and it sucks- My heart goes out to anyone reading this who has, or is currently dealing with it thenselves 💙
Good job for progressing so much, we are proud of you and you are such a great example for so many people here💖
That's my secret, I draw for fun primarily but it also feels productive because I'm building a skill I might be able make money off of in the future
(I realize my situation isn't really relevant to somebody already making money on their art)
Wake up babe, celestia posted ❤
hello
I am reminded of the tortoise and the hare. Hustle only leads to short term illusions of success. As Shakespeare once wrote, walk Romeo, walk, we stumble when we hasten. It all comes down to individual definitions of value, productivity, and success. The way I see it humans are stupid for valuing money. The ability to achieve any results you desire regardless of the obstacles you face is far more valuable. Acquiring the skills to produce a much higher quality than the competition will always be more productive than shilling trash like an ai sheep. The less quality products there are in the world the more they are worth. Let the world destroy itself, then when the fools are dead there will be no competition or need for it. Selfishness is self destruction.
Thank you for putting this into light, for me, i will freaking fight it so hard, im not gonna give in, im not gonna hurt my health over art. I want art to be fun and creative.
Im so tired of family getting mad at me for not trying to work for Disney. And then they get even more angry when I point out that I'm not an animator AND disney artists can draw at least 10x faster than me. Plus I dont want to work for Disney. I do commissions when I can, but I really just strongly prefer drawing for me.
Art doesn't have to be a career. It's okay to create for just yourself.
Listening to almost all descriptions you mentioned of how you organise your life ... I genuinely was aghast how you were/are still functioning ...... what you described towards the end sounded like a good direction .. good luck and hang in there!!
Oof, this hits too close to home!
I'm making a webtoon called "The Dancing Flame", whose chapters are planned to be way longer than the average and thus take a lot of time (And if I went and cut them in parts just so I could release more often it would hurt the pacing of the story). I have no team, it's just me working on like 70+ pages per chapter. It only has chapter 0 and chapter 1 for now.
I love writing stories ever since I was a toddler and believe me, I love this story and characters with my life and I want to work on it and keep on making it, but I've never been a mentally stable person, so from time to time I get into depressive episodes where I can't make anything and that hurt my progress a lot. (And since my childhood dog passed away from old age I've been even worse in every aspect of my life and I'm still sad bc it's recent)
I struggled with making chapter 0 and took way longer than expected, and after I posted it I took me way too long to finally finnish chapter 1. Both before and after chapter 0 I had my friends and family constantly asking me when I was gonna update my comic and had my mom constantly tell me that if I take too long to update people are gonna lose interest.
And I know overworking yourself is dangerous, I have been through that in the past, that's why I'm taking it easy and allowing myself to heal... But I feel pressured to make content quicker. If not the comic, something to grow my audience, if not growing my audience, something to make money.
I know my worth isn't measured on how much I can work and I know that my small follower base and my loved ones support me so much and just tell me those things because they want to see me succeed, but it's hard to not feel like I'm disappointing everyone for not making progress quicker, for not having achieved something great just yet.
I know I'm not the only one in a situation like this, so if you are reading this and struggle with something similar please know that you're not alone and remember: The art you make with passion is important to the world, no matter if the algorythm doesn't like it
have you tried making promotional artwork? a common practice in japanese media is to make promotional material that incredibly mis-represents the actual story, to draw attention while also having complete freedom and not spoiling the story. 70 pages is a lot, so i think you can advertise those 2 chapters for a VERY long time. never ever rush your storytelling.
Legit lost sleep because felt bad about not working this vid is too real
I love your views on this topic. No sugarcoating anything, and being super realistic. I believe most of the things you said are very true, that hustle culture is important for achieving success nowadays. And the falling behind bit was very true as well. Thank you for such an informative video!
Me personally it's not the case of doing art that burns me out, more than anything it's just my work that doesn't involve art in general as I keep putting more time in my general work than I can with my art.
I got my first commission the other day. I’m super excited! I’ve been working on it ^^
Wow perfect timing! I'm at the moment of taking a break from art since it really affected my mental health to the point that it really affected my relationships around me 😣 I really needed it since I was too invested into being a workaholic on my art, job and school that I felt like i didn't have time to slow down on anything.
(Of course I'm still going to do art but I want to enjoy it instead of forcing it for now)
omg i love ur videos ❤ i always watch them when i get the chance 🩷 especially when i draw!!
It's kinda reminds me about how much I love drawing back days, but now, idk, sometimes, I just want to throw my pen
The question I always wondered... Why bother with "getting ahead"? Why not just do enough to stay afloat? It's not like sacrificing everything (and in some cases, everyone) in your life is going to make it better. Yes, congratulations, you are now making more money than last year. But why? Why work so hard for a reward that you will never be allowed to enjoy?
I’m burnt out, not from art but from school and the major thing I could get out from it is that no amount of great achievements is worth exhausting yourself. No amount of productivity is worth having daily breakdowns when all you can say is “I can’t do it anymore”. I don’t really what I want to do for work but what I’m sure of is that it’s so normalised to work at all time that it’s saddening. I studied fashion design this year, and I can also confirm that working toward a goal of only doing things worthy of sharing is crushing creatively (especially when there’s no new experimentation)
Thank you for this video. Honestly, I've felt hopeless for a while that anyone like my art due to how often I make hiatuses. I'm just burnout and needed to be not doing art constantly or content creation on top of other priorities just to keep up with everything online. Eventually it just messes up focus overall for everything and other big priorities get pushed to the wayside causing massive burn out on everything I'm doing.
My personal solution is to just focus on the projects I think are the best ones to focus on, even if it will take me a while, between my other priorities. It seems to be working for the most part, and I'm super excited since this since my first project was to start listing a small sticker set. Not even to sell something, just to prepare something and supplies for it and put it up online, and I'm super happy about it. I'll continue down this path since I just can't do hustle culture, lol.
Oh daym... I'm drawing consecutively these days to hussle then this video pops out...
Starting to listen this video, I felt like i`ll know a new thing about other artists, but the more i listened the more i understood - I am an example of it. Everything I do in my ife is "for the future", I almost never talk to my only two friends, I go outside once or twice a month, I have a lot of goals, projects, work and I always feel guilty for not doing any productive stuff through the day. I knew it wasn`t that good, but never saw it as a problem. It was exactly the opposite - I saw it as a good thing. And I kind of still do, but less. This video was really helpful, and I`m happy to hear someone talking about it.
My friend also got burnt out from huddle culture. She started posting on social media and started feeling like she needs to draw to please people online. She has quit art now and I feel very sad about it because she her art was amazing and probably wouldn’t have quit if she didn’t start posting 😢
i started to post my art online recently and now i feel like questioning all my life decisions all of a sudden🥴i was never the type to be so involved with the internet to feel like i had to adjust to its culture or else i'll fall behind. i don't care if i fall behind, but i'm afraid that because of opening up to the community i might do just that. sure hope i won't! i want to share all the love i put into my works. maybe someone'll be happy by looking at them, and then i'll be happy too.
I honestly didn't know it had a name and this hit me a lot harder then I thought it would. More so your final statement.
I've been an artist all my life, for as far as I can remember. The SECOND I heard that people would pay you to draw for them and what a "commission" was, for me me drawing art for fun...was over. My mind is constantly try to think of different things to make to sell; adoptables, custom, YCH, and so much more. To the point it takes me to from, 'Wow! That would make an amazing art piece', to 'oh I should make it big enough for a wallpaper', to 'oh I bet someone would buy it!', to 'then I could put that money towards the house payment to finally pay it off some day', to 'oh but what if it doesn't sell?', to 'okay think of something else! Something that will sell!'...and I could go on and on to the point that I hadn't even opened SAI and I'm already severely burnt out. My mind is constantly thinking of different things to offer for commissions, to things to sell, and so much more but all I can think is how much my life would be better if I could just make the money I need to pay off the house payment, fix the roof so it stops leaking, fix the fence so I don't get a city fine, get enough food so we actually can make a decent meal, and just so much more! I just get to the point that I break down and start to cry because if I could work a regular job, I would, but I cannot. So, all I can think is, if I could just get a lucky break, just something! Then I just got to keep pushing and pushing and pushing until I break all over again and the process just keeps going and going into a vicious cycle. It's...horrible...
The thought process is exactly same with me! 🫂🌧
@@goldfishcrackers7845 Oh my gosh I am so glad I'm not alone in this :(!!! Thank you!
@GothicPhantomZero i thought i was alone in this too, until i watched this video and read the comments, especially yours that is very similar to my life with art 😭🫂💙 im here, & i feel u, fellow artist/art-lover
@@goldfishcrackers7845 Aww D:!!! I'm glad I'm not alone in this and so happy you have found another fellow artist who shares in this as well so you aren't alone either!
@@GothicPhantomZero 🫂💙🩵💙🩵💙🩵
I don't usually comment on videos, but feel compelled to for this one. My solution to the whole hustle culture thing is simply putting my eggs in more than one basket. For a lot of artists facing this hustle culture problem, art tends to be the only thing they're betting their future and well-being on. I used to find it commendable, but I now I find it inefficient.
I use my free time building up my other hobbies and skills when I get the chance so that I have options. Programming, music production, 3D modeling, etc. Sure, one could argue that with so many different things to focus on, you're not outputting as much as you could into just one skill, but my rebuttal is that getting up to a point where you can earn money from a skill you have takes a long time anyway. Because of this you're better off building up many different skills so that you have more than one chance to earn money from your work. And not just any skills, realistic ones. Instead of hustling and putting 100% effort into just art, invest some of that time into learning a high demand skill that you can fall back on in case the art stuff takes too long. The opportunity cost of just focusing on one thing is insane. I'm gunning for a web development career because the skills I've gained for it make it seem like an easy/lax job for the return of high pay. The ease of work will give me free time to do art on the side and also build it up, but if it doesn't go anywhere I can still just draw whatever I want because the tech job is carrying me.
It's a long-winded rant, but basically what I'm saying is that time is the most important resource to anybody. Make sure you're using it effectively for your own benefit by branching out and creating options for yourself. Art doesn't have to be a do or die gambling game where failure leads to starvation or working at McDonald's
As a financially struggling artist, I still refuse to participate in hustle culture because I simply can't. I don't have the solution, but I'm at least trying to find one.
I will say as much as hustle culture is a problem, it's one I do see getting a lot of pushback not only from other artists, but from general audiences as well. It gives me hope to see people push back against game publishers who crunch their employees, people genuinely wishing Beyond the Spiderverse be delayed so the animators don't have to be overworked like the first 2, and the fact that we're seeing the beginning of a huge labor movement with both actors and writers on strike with UPS following close behind.
It's easy to be cynical in today's society with platforms constantly spreading negativity and misinformation, but there is definitely hope that things will get better for all of us
I started to fall into this and I am pulling myself out of it. Thank you for this video.
Feel this one. Been having a hard time comparing my animated pilot to other pilots on youtube and it's really ruining my mood. I'm working on ep2 and I definitely feel that I should spend every moment on it, cuz I really want to see it finished, but animation takes time
WHOOO NEW CELSTIA VID
I found this video just today and I relate to it so much. Recently my teacher also mentioned that life as an artist literally means you have no life. When you work so hard for such a long time, then you talk to your friends, you realise they are either married or is taking care of themselves way better than you can care for yourself.
For me, it’s not just for art because I’m also a cover singer. Unfortunately, I resort to the hustle culture because as an indie, I have to do my own art, my own mixing, marketing and whatever else that falls in line to grow the channel. It’s frustrating when I see my channel not growing and I go back to doing what’s popular to grab the attention of others. I have recently made some self-reflection though and realised that I no longer want to sing for other people if I’m not enjoying it anymore.
I’m so glad that more people are talking about this because I have seen a lot of this and how much it destroys people and their relationships with others and it’s worse when they are doing it because they have no choice.
By the way, your art is amazing!
Good and necessary video, Duchess. I dig saying "keep up the good work" would have a twinge of irony here, but cheers to you for the work you do.
As someone who continued to work through covid as an essential worker, I was already too burned out to pursue my artistic endeavors. 😂 Now I'm trying to take back my time, but my day job is the burnout factor of my life.
This was so helpful, thank you.
I'm glad this video was made. It's good to call out the reality of the situation and what happens from behind the scenes. Media has done nothing but promote this behavior, the thirst to claw your way up the ranks to be on top, constantly competing against not only other artists, but AI and algorithms
Making art used to be a side hobby, I still consider it to be so but its becoming more and more obvious that I'm in denial. It's consumed my life and string of activities, games I used to play, music I used to make, ideas that are still waiting to be illustrated and a story that's still waiting to be started, I gave it all up to slave away for the algorithms. If I want to actually get out there and be recognized, I have to kneel to the system and constantly go out of my way to draw what the masses would want to see. I'm surprised that over my entire time of constantly producing art, I've only burnt out 2 times, but I fear my body will force me to burn out if things don't change soon.
I've noticed my sleep schedule has gone out of whack, I'm skipping out on breakfast and sometimes lunch every day, and constantly stressing over my skills and no longer feeling like getting better would be a milestone, it's now a requirement if I want to get commissions. But hey, at least that one drawing broke through 100 likes right? I'm glad it's being addressed, but it's a shame it's become a cycle of hell, a trend that's becoming more and more present. Regular workers, youtubers, streamers, artists, creators of all kinds. The way creativity quickly became capitalized, it just feels disgusting
I'm working on a secondary style to try and fix these broken habits, one I can feel proud of and one that I'll feel joy in making. One that'll keep my attention away from the numbers and other artists, one I can actually be comfortable being associated with
I was having mad anxiety in the beginning of hustle culture now my motto is "they get it when Im done! I have a life too". Sweet video. Thank you for this message
As a kid who has tried to post weekly for 3 years on a mostly art based channel, it's definitely catching up to me. I'm a lot less happy with my view count, and feeling a lot more burnt out. I feel the need to actually expand my channel, rather than it being a hobby but the algorithm is killing me. I want to make videos of the games I like, but they aren't trending and so I get low views. I'm doing this for "fun" and not income though, can't imagine how hard it is to use art as a job nowadays. Goodluck out there guys:D
This video is just...so damn good and I wish I'd seen it, maybe I wouldn't be dealing with carpal tunnel right now had I known. Thank you for warning other artists of this.
Love that you were able to reference BSD in there!
I'm currently in the mentally-burnout stage, guess the timing of this was perfect!
I work 2 hours away on the bus - each way, full time in a corporate environment. Come home and try to get as much sketching and time lapses as I can but I try to keep it fun. I dont rely on my art to get me a paycheck so I can chil and just have fun. When I tried to sell it I hated drawing then, I just felt pressure to get everything out etc. I will not go down that road again unless I am doing it full time
i used to struggle so much with art and couldnt understand why i wasnt making as much art as my peers, until i realised i just had way to high expectations and standards. i adopted the mindset of professional artists at the age of 15-16, constantly working to meet deadlines set either by myself or others. i mostly drew dtiys entries or did challenges other people made, and told myself i can draw the stuff i want when im done. but i kept taking on more and more work and i always seemed to be working towards some kind of deadline, i eventually just had to tell myself to stop. i basically banned myself from taking on work from others, dtiys and the like, and im trying to only draw what i want to with no pressure to finish things for my followers. i still struggle with it, i still take on stuff i probably shouldnt and i keep expanding that ban to more and more stuff that just makes me overwork. i now live with the consequences of overworking myself, like being pretty much constantly stressed nowadays. im just trying to live out my teenager years experimenting and having fun with my art, and not working so hard towards a social media presence and a future job.
yayyyyy new celestia video!
I literally just posted a video about art block/burn out! It's a serious problem and I love hearing your perspective on hustle culture. It's super validating because I always feel like I need to hustle if I want to achieve anything in life. Thanks for posting such a lovely video! NOW GO TAKE A MUCH EARNED BREAK. 😂❤
As someone who had a hustle mind set before, it mainly just push me into isolation. I was getting a lot more work done but I was also distancing myself from family and friends. It definitely helps improve your work, but in exchange your giving up something important.
I have recently come to terms that I am burnt out on art yo the point i dread doodling. I used to draw and post daily when i was younger but as an adult it just stopped being fun because i was constantly thinking nothing i was drawing was good enough on top of getting into a cycle of 'if i just learn this techinque then I'll be good'. I just became loop practicing, finding something else I felt i wasnt doing well in and repeat.
I'm hoping to get back into it next year but im having serious doubts.
These days it has become so bad that every day I have to choose between advancing my creative business OR eating-sleeping-house chores-exercise-hobbies, and it wouldn't be so bad if our content had organic reach like few years back, instead of those darned algorithms supressing everything. I completely dislike these algorithms.
Everything said here resonated with me SO much. I do furry commissions full time, and have done so for over 12 years, and I struggle with all of this. I don’t overwork myself, I have figured out my work/life balance pretty well by now BUT the result of that is that I find it very difficult to grow my following or maintain people’s attention on social media. I can never get things to take off - my channel here never went anywhere, streaming on Twitch never went anywhere, my posts on various social media sites get very little traction. I manage to pull in the commissions I need to pay the bills each month but I feel like it’s an uphill battle to do so. I know my work is good but I definitely think my growth as an artist has been really stunted by hustle culture, even if I’m not overworked.
If we as a community all slow down people will realize that art is not optional, and that it takes time to create.
Great vid, Duchess! As an artist myself, I've been dealing with burnout for almost a month and a half after posting my work on
DeviantArt for two and a half years (2020 was the "best" time for me to post my work on DA but I wish I've started posting there sooner than that, but what can you do). Yes, the manga industry is brutal when the mangakas have burnouts, to which they end up using clichés that were in other manga to catch up deadline and with that their portfolio starts to decline, same with Webtoon artist. Heck,
my hero Osamu Tezuka, the creator of Astro
Boy, Kimba the White Lion (Jungle Emperor
Leo) and Phoenix was able to make over
100,000 pages a day for from the time he started as a manga artist in 1948 at his late
teens to his death in 1989 at age 60, leaving
the manga he was working like Gringo, Beethoven and the life long Phoenix incomplete.
But yes, this goes to show the feeling you'll
be induring when you make art or other
hobbies either for a job or as a hobby for so long.
Really inspiring to us artist.
Recently I have felt very overwhelmed by art that I struggle to even begin drawing. There's just so much I could do that other artists are doing and I feel like no matter how productive I am, it won't be enough. It feels like I'm falling behind, and that hinders the fun and joy I once got from art. Yesterday I decided to make a change. I wrote down every specific thing that brings me joy in a book, and from now on I'm going to do at least one of those things every day, even if it isn't furthering my "art career".
Please remember, no matter what you need to rest, or your work will suffer anyway. The Brain is a machine that needs to be able to repair itself.
As long as we have this obsession with labor and the cult of work, not to mention capitalism, things are going to get worse, people don't have money for the arts, artists don't get payed, artists have to work more, before AI I wasn't sure how I would take my art studies to a money making place, now I'm not sure its possible, the future is grim but I have to do this, I don't even study that hard, working on a piece with the little skills I have is exhausting, doing that super fast with more detail, color, as part of a larger project where constant changes have to be made, at 16 hours a day off cuff, its demoralizing to think about but that's the career path and that needle hole is getting smaller every decade and the camel that is artists in general is expanding by the minute.
once i turned 20 i facing with the need to do something to not die from starvation and living further, so, since that moment i don't have any amount of energy, power, motivation, desires and whatever else to continue drawing, because my brain spents all his energy just to keep my sanity from all this pressure and challenges, i don't know how to live further, i can't work anywhere, i have a bpd and the country i live in makes it even worse (Russia), i don't know how to stay alive and having a power to continue make arts and having a free time on my life and keep my mental state in normal condition and not destroyed, drained and exhausted one. I don't have a hustle mindset, i'm the opposite of it, but the problem is, no matter what mindset i have - world affects me the same, i can think that i don't need to work hard and spent all my free time on something for self-improvement, but, world just will kill me, take away my home, take away my food, take away everything from me, i just will die as homeless person somewhere in district from cold or starvation, and i can't do anything about it and just doomed.
To be honest, I will be the one who is gonna cook the meat. Cause art is not a sprint race. Art is **marathon**.
Yeah, sometimes you need to take breaks too. Its not like you'll die if you go easy for a while. It'll make your art better.
Then brace yourself for the consequences, because waiting for the meat to cook gives others the chance to snatch it up before it's ready. You'll need a proper strategy to make it work. Best of luck to you.
@@fightingleaf you can poison if you wanna eliminate.
My dream is to make a successful series akin to Shounen Jump manga like My Hero or Jujutsu Kaizen. Almost every single sketch and digital piece I’ve made, every book or movie I’ve watched, and every anime or manga I’ve read is solely dedicated to improving my art and writing. I think this video finally made me realize why I feel so utterly tired.
I can’t enjoy a show or movie anymore because I pick away at every minuscule issue no normal person should notice. I can’t make an art piece that isn’t expanding my series’ world without feeling uncreative. I can’t make an illustration with a new experimental style without feeling like I’m wasting my time. I can’t make an illustration with the same style I always use without feeling lazy and uninspired. If I just want to rest for the day I feel like I’m wasting time. If I’m not practicing manga templates I feel like I’m wasting time.
*Everything* I’ve ever done *must* advance my story in some way, I’ve realized that now.
It’s just… depressing. I want to make something people will love but I don’t want to sacrifice myself for it, even so, almost every mangaka I know suffers immensely from the hustle system and the depressing part is that it actually pays off, with series’ like MHA, Black Clover, One Piece, Berserk, HxH, and Demon Slayer.
I’m grateful for this video, truly.
I don’t think there’ll ever be a solution to this problem, all we can do now is find a happy medium between them.
I am lacking these hussle culture and I am already burnt. I just wish I can work more and get tired less.
I think I remember going neck deep into hustle culture when I was like 18-20, partly cause I was and well tbh still definitely am a proud workaholic, but also cause I was kinda running high on the mindset of “people only care about what you make, anything that distracts or takes you away from your work is a poor excuse for you to just be lazy.” which is a work view I’m slowly starting to grow past (though with baby steps) cause of well personal reasons. I definitely am still a proud workaholic (I mean I legitimately enjoy working hard on stuff for hours on end and being productive) but I also wonder how much of that nature was influenced by hustle culture and how much of it is just because I enjoy working hard. But hey on the bright side I’ve been trying to find ways to sneak in my hobbies into my work life (like playing a game by telling myself I’ll draw something based off it afterwards so I can sorta psudo gaslight my brain into seeing gaming as a productive part of my artwork) not sure if it’s the best way but…hey it’s been slowly helping me feel less guilty about playing splatoon or Pokémon lol.
Every person enjoys the fruits of their labor, video games trick us into thinking we're getting things done and we get some happy chemicals, its not your fault the cult of work made you this way, anyone you work for benefits from this kind of thinking and there is nothing we can do about it, just take it easy
Just dropping my rule of thumb here because I find it not only works to some degree, but also enjoyable:
Work until you are bored of it
Then play until you are bored of it
Then work until you are bored of it
Then play until you are bored of it
Repeat
im genuinely angry that society has chosen to normalize and encourage this type of mindset because otherwise you'll only lose instead of success. i got into an argument against my father over it (and me essentialy being anti-capitalist), and the fact that they are so desperate to perpetuate this stuff does not leave me with any hope. thank you for making this video, you did the best you could
finally someone calling capitalism by its name
2:47 Naming language learning among other activities makes me have to think about my hobbies because language learning is probably a hobby of mine LEAST related to art. Now I wonder whether pastimes that prioritize learning rather than enjoyment are direct results of hustle culture.
Because of recent internship experiences in the teaching field, I've learned that 8 hour work days (don't let the hours fool you, it's really more like 10+ hours a day) are not for me. Maybe my self preservation is too high or maybe I'm lazy. Either way, If I had to work those hours as a professional artist, I would be depressed. Stressed. Tired physically and emotionally. Not to mention the art block.
There are times where I feel bad for not working, not drawing, playing games too long, or, recently, napping (and I beat myself up about it), but if I get one thing done that day, I try to count it as a win.
Hope you and everyone one else out there gets more time to yourselves.
You only got one life. Enjoy it
I can't do that grind anymore because of my day job. I saw improvement in the algorithm fir a few months due to not having a job. My current day job (not art related) is taking up all my mental and emotional energy. I have to work full time to pay the bills. Doesn't leave much time at the end of the day to have energy to do what I love most. I have no idea how to balance that energy right now. I also have sleep apnea so I'm always chronically fatigued so that harms my creativity too. If I don't work full time 50 plus hours a week I wont have enough money to pay bills or to save in the bank. So I had to sacrifice a few hobbies just so I can make ends meet. I do diamond art now because it doesn't take a whole lot of mental power for me to think about what type of art I want to do. If I try to do art or writing or any of the other hobbies I loved doing before, my mind goes blank and I go into a panic attack at the thought that I'm losing what makes me me again. D:
I've been burnt out on many things for years now.
I started dreaming about making the cool stuff I saw on tv as a preteen. I worked toward it despite discouragement from family, friend, and career artists alike. I went to school for it, and realized I'd never keep up. I lowered my expectations to a side gig. I couldn't keep up. I lowered my expectations to a hobby. I couldn't keep up, and broke down on various "main" jobs I worked because of the standard industry work ethic of "overwork, underpay, and cut loose when they complain."
I struggled to do ANYTHING I loved for years after that. There are rifts in relationships that went 10+ years strong due to the efforts I expended to get... nowhere... broken... and possibly permanently disabled. I can't say I don't dream anymore, but I've been keeping it to myself more these days. I don't really participate in art culture in public much anymore (outside of critiques, breakdowns, and fandom "flag-waving"), because the act of creating is rife with trauma in and of itself for me. Some days are better than others, but I can hardly look at my old art or ideas without a deep, knowing sigh, or just looking away. I'm that deeply HURT.
I don't want to say I *can't* make art. I struggle at so many points in the process that it makes starting ANYTHING (let *alone* COMPLETION) a herculean task... And Heracles, I am NOOOOT... 😔
Used to be like this, but I got to a point where I'm drawing fast enough to make enough so I can have a 15 day work month and the rest is spent doing my own stuff. Kinda nice once you get to that stage. Ignore the social media game, it's the paying clients you want to keep good rapport with, not the masses.
It's because of those darned gatekeeping algorithms, and death of organic reach. Bring back organic reach and creators won't have the need to constantly create and get exhausted.
Oh, that’s why I get stressed whenever I’m not constantly creating more 💀