I've read _Vindication of the Rights of Woman_ several times and cherished it for years. Even as I've turned away from feminism I still love Mary Wollstonecraft. It's heartening to hear such a reminder of who she really was and what she really advocated for: virtue, reason, duty.
This is good because it's a more fully fleshed out version of the cultural genesis of some things LP brings up a lot, like women pressured to emulate male behavior, and the reduced emphasis on basic male restraint.
Thankyou, that was one of your best interviews. I especially like how she separated early feminism from abortion and sexual freedom. As these issues make modern feminism unpalatable to women outside the US.
Wussup Granny, gotta say, Louise doesn't agree with you on this, and I agree with her. I don't always agree with her, but this is one of the few dubious practices she doesn't want a government megalith to eradicate.
@@Jules-Is-a-Guy I know that. I don't have to agree with Louise, on this matter. I take it you are American. As I stated it is their attitude to abortion, among other things,that makes feminism unpalatable in other countries. 92% of British men and women do Not identify as feminists. I would say my country is similar. As may have been said in this program, I've heard it recently, the biggest demographic against abortion are mothers, women.
I'm only a third of the way in, but... am I understanding correctly that modern feminism is a total subversion of what Wollstonecraft advocated for? A complete 180, with its focus on absolving women of responsibility, regard of all kinds of virtue as archaic, stripping relations between men and women into simple power play, its odd, almost aspirational take on abortion.
Mary Wollstonecraft has too often been pigeon-holed according to the politics of the day, so the more complex picture Erika gives here is very welcome. Thank you
Whenevr u and Chris Tucker collaborate with David O'Russel to produce another sentimental auteur piece, I'm like, "I think I've already seen this one".
This was an amazing podcast. In my beginning of my thinking of what it might be like to be a woman I did have the thought of what might a religion be like had it been female created and maintained. Would it be virtuous like Christianity? I think feminism is just this thing. I don’t believe women can be as virtuous as men can be but I don’t believe they can be it more consistently and regardless they can be very admirable. I think it’s possible they have different virtues than men.
I've yet to attain deep virtue, but i always value chastity and restraint in myself as a man though im not perfect. I still believe that self control in this way is protective of women. I've never not felt at odds with the world in this. Its so hopeless that no women believe in chastity anymore. And its a matter of great honor and pride to be a popular fuck as a man. Trying to attain classical virtue puts you at odds with the world.
Funnily, in contrast to your sentiment, going into this latest podcast I was thinking that it's time for me to start paying for what feels like a privilege.
@@SJ-xg3rvLP got me with the teaser. How did Erika have her mind changed about liberal feminism in time to have seven kids?! I’m envious. Not maybe for the seven kids, but for having her mind changed in time for seven kids if one of wants.
the algorithm is on-fire tonight! @jul-vel@@alexandragrace8164 I hope Andy Ngo is actually a good guy, people have some super negative opinions of him.
Would really love to hear you Louise and Esther perel … half way through mating and captivity and realised you are both similar in how youse understand the tradeoffs of life
Good info but for some reason I'm finding this convo less interesting than I usually find your episodes, Louise. My favourite so far, or, rather, the one I keep thinking about, was the one about women in Roman culture.
I actually found this to be one of the better episodes. Especially the conversation about abortion. I'm not American, but the demands of American feminists for access to abortion makes decent people reject all feminism in many places. Helen Dales interview was good as well, I agree, as was Mary Harrington's. I like hearing a renewal of women's role as carer's.
I've read _Vindication of the Rights of Woman_ several times and cherished it for years. Even as I've turned away from feminism I still love Mary Wollstonecraft. It's heartening to hear such a reminder of who she really was and what she really advocated for: virtue, reason, duty.
This is good because it's a more fully fleshed out version of the cultural genesis of some things LP brings up a lot, like women pressured to emulate male behavior, and the reduced emphasis on basic male restraint.
The more it's like a free old school graduate seminar, giving me relevant info I might not already know, the more it's giving me exactly what I want.
This is fascinating, I have read Wollstonecraft in high school but I learned so much from this convo. Thank you! ❤❤
Thankyou, that was one of your best interviews. I especially like how she separated early feminism from abortion and sexual freedom. As these issues make modern feminism unpalatable to women outside the US.
Wussup Granny, gotta say, Louise doesn't agree with you on this, and I agree with her. I don't always agree with her, but this is one of the few dubious practices she doesn't want a government megalith to eradicate.
@@Jules-Is-a-Guy I know that. I don't have to agree with Louise, on this matter. I take it you are American. As I stated it is their attitude to abortion, among other things,that makes feminism unpalatable in other countries. 92% of British men and women do Not identify as feminists. I would say my country is similar. As may have been said in this program, I've heard it recently, the biggest demographic against abortion are mothers, women.
I'm only a third of the way in, but... am I understanding correctly that modern feminism is a total subversion of what Wollstonecraft advocated for? A complete 180, with its focus on absolving women of responsibility, regard of all kinds of virtue as archaic, stripping relations between men and women into simple power play, its odd, almost aspirational take on abortion.
Mary Wollstonecraft has too often been pigeon-holed according to the politics of the day, so the more complex picture Erika gives here is very welcome. Thank you
Excellent conversation. Thank you ❤
Interesting. I didn't know much about Wollstonecraft. Thanks.
Whenevr u and Chris Tucker collaborate with David O'Russel to produce another sentimental auteur piece, I'm like, "I think I've already seen this one".
Excellent. Thank you so much. 🌿
Excellent and informative talk
This was an amazing podcast. In my beginning of my thinking of what it might be like to be a woman I did have the thought of what might a religion be like had it been female created and maintained. Would it be virtuous like Christianity? I think feminism is just this thing. I don’t believe women can be as virtuous as men can be but I don’t believe they can be it more consistently and regardless they can be very admirable. I think it’s possible they have different virtues than men.
I've yet to attain deep virtue, but i always value chastity and restraint in myself as a man though im not perfect. I still believe that self control in this way is protective of women. I've never not felt at odds with the world in this. Its so hopeless that no women believe in chastity anymore. And its a matter of great honor and pride to be a popular fuck as a man. Trying to attain classical virtue puts you at odds with the world.
Looking forward to this! But I'm still not paying.
What a strange comment. You could have just stopped at something nice.
@@rebeccapenders5050 What if it were: "I'm still not paying, but looking forward to this!"
Funnily, in contrast to your sentiment, going into this latest podcast I was thinking that it's time for me to start paying for what feels like a privilege.
@@SJ-xg3rvLP got me with the teaser. How did Erika have her mind changed about liberal feminism in time to have seven kids?! I’m envious. Not maybe for the seven kids, but for having her mind changed in time for seven kids if one of wants.
@Jul-Vel Same backhanded meaning 🙃
Kindergarten rules, my dear.
Today's Peter Boghossian conversation with Andy Ngo is probably good enough for me to rndmly suggest in this comment section.
I just came to this episode of MMM after listening to Peter and Andy’s convo! I second your recommendation!
the algorithm is on-fire tonight! @jul-vel@@alexandragrace8164 I hope Andy Ngo is actually a good guy, people have some super negative opinions of him.
Would really love to hear you Louise and Esther perel … half way through mating and captivity and realised you are both similar in how youse understand the tradeoffs of life
Good info but for some reason I'm finding this convo less interesting than I usually find your episodes, Louise. My favourite so far, or, rather, the one I keep thinking about, was the one about women in Roman culture.
I actually found this to be one of the better episodes. Especially the conversation about abortion. I'm not American, but the demands of American feminists for access to abortion makes decent people reject all feminism in many places.
Helen Dales interview was good as well, I agree, as was Mary Harrington's. I like hearing a renewal of women's role as carer's.