Facts! I'm so excited!!! I hope I don't buy one though. I've got a trident and tiger 800 that are both damn near perfect. Every time I push my bikes to the limit I am always surprised at how well they perform. I've never been surprised by any action that my bike makes while pushing hard. I've been a Triumph fan boy since I was 15 in 1999. But, for good reason. They make awesome, reliable, high build quality bikes. You'd have to be crazy not to like triumph.
One thing I can say about triumph. Good luck finding parts for it. I get bikes front 2017 that I can’t even find a footpeg for let alone a top end or anything else. Hopefully they get it together if they are making dirtbikes.
I was thinking the same thing but hoping that this could be different. They both had a successful 2 wheel presence in their own respective markets and did well. The current off road motorcycle market has years of experience and presents stiff competition. Don’t forget BMW as well…..
@@mxgryanyup. Those early versions where they went from the steel frame with the oil tank in the frame to that first gen aluminum frame with the separate oil tank.
My honest opinion is Triumph have been producing some great bikes in the recent years. I mean really great bikes, meaning I'm pretty confident they'll produce a top notch product. The only thing that will determine most people's opinion more than anything else, will be the it's price point. I'm confident they'll be building a great bike, it's how much they can build it for that will be the biggest factor. It's alright really wanting a bike it's another thing being able to afford it as well. Hopefully it's reasonably priced.
I think amateur contingency payouts are going to be the key to the future of mx more than over the top development. In a retail market the bikes are almost $10,000 and plenty fast for 95% of us. Leaving a balance or adding into the budget for essential safety items like proper suspension setup is key. People will pay for it one way or the other, injuries or money. I want to see this sport hold on to the grass roots and cultivate the talent without going Nascar/formula 1. A
I remember this being a huge deal back in the eighties when I started racing. Suzuki's contingency program kept me on the track when my sixteen year old wallet went belly up.
This is amazing news ML. Triumph coming into the DB arena will only breath new life into the sport, which it needs. They have a chance to do amazing things! Don't leave out the 2 strokes!
Triumph has great quality control. I liked the 06-09 YZ250/450F, especially 08/09... Predictable and still decent turning. Love the new bike roll out as well... Always keep em wanting more.
I hope the frame is like the old YZ450F 2006. I liked that bike, it was slim with a flat seat, 1st Gen KYB SSS fork, titanium shock spring, that bike handled great!
It has to be sub 11,000 to have a chance. For me to buy it, I'd have to see versions such as trail and mx. With their street bike heritage, a dual sport would compliment very nicely and possibly bring others into the sport. Ultimately, i need a 350 from them to be really interested. We need the euro bike to push the agenda on the middle motor class🤙cant wait to see what the Japanese come back with to rival them. Possibly a revival of the xr350? Im loving all the competition now the more manufacturers the better! Maybe someday Cannondale or another u.s based brand will try their hand and give us something to be proud of. That would be massive for the sport and innovation!
They need to bring out something to compete with the Austrian 350s. A 350 with chassis comfort & KYB suspension. They would have vet riders running to it.
I am hyped about the bike as it’s a unique though I don’t trust buying first generation of any bike especially as I’ve always leaned more towards Japanese due to dealer network being much more accessible compared to the euros where I’m from. If triumph wants to win over customers, it starts at customer interactions with the dealer network.
I worked at a triump dealer back in the late 90s. Their street and "adventure" bikes were always fun to ride. I dont think ill be trading in my KTMs on a triumph 250 anytime soon but excited to see them
I really like Triumph designs for the street but have always been a dirt guy. If they release a nice looking bike that isn’t a billion dollars and it turns out to be pretty reliable I’d buy Def gonna need that dealer support though especially with parts that will be breaking
I think with the crew they have on board they will have a bike like the sought after years of other OEM's. Dave Arnold has seen the best chassis designs in the history of the sport and with out the Japanese pressure on the final say this thing might just be amazing. I would definitely buy one. I hope they succeed and introduce Enduro and D.S. models.
Remember Triumphs being sold in the sixties, with a piece of carpet to absorb the leaking oil. Actually had a "T" on it. Hope they have improved their quality control department.🤣
Dirt bikes leaking oil not big deal have to check every ride anyway if u want to not be stranded. Unless you a greenie, then wouldn't be polluting forest anyway
God Save the King - I hope the Frame comes out Good - Japanese & German Ignition systems are flawless and super tuneable - (Yamaha comes to mind ) - Ohlins sounds good, but stock KYB stuff is flawless with endless tuning capability - We Would All Love a Bloke 2Stroke for Moto and especially Off-Road - Please include a Real Open Class 2stroke engine for both - - Go Triumph
I think they should stick to their British racing green/vintage vibe and they'll sell a lot of bikes. If it can hang with a YZ250f in terms of weight and performance, it'll have some additional flair/heritage that I think a lot of people would be into.
It's good to see that they're doing something a little bit different than everyone else I don't think the there was room in the marketplace to have something that was just another colour
Triumph build excellent products. Triumph will need great winning riders, ditto mechanics, & tuners on their machines to short cycle the trip to the podiums ! This will be great for the industry. Now, if they will jus get back on Flattrack racing 😍❤. Thx
@@frankweathersbee2553 😊 l am not down for all the wrenching needed 🙈. Would like to see the parallel twins turning left,on dirt, at high speed again….Matchless , BSA…..all of them 🥳🤩 👍🏻
I stopped giving a shit about this bike when they rented out a baseball stadium and invited a bunch of media out, and still didn't show anyone the bike.
Great video. Very exciting to hear Triump is taking the leap to dirt….but wonder why it’s happening honestly. And why are they so late to the game? Are street market shares falling? Either way, they’ve assembled some heavy hitters (especially Dave) to ensure all this effort isn’t for naught. Good luck to them. Looking forward to seeing the final product. Another factory effort is always a good thing.
Honestly, the only thing that will really sell me on a Triumph is good results at the professional level. That might be a tall order with Yamaha being such a king right now in the 250 class, but that's what it would take.
Triumph makes incredible street bikes. Their R&D is only enhanced by their support group; RC et al. Ohlin suspension on dirt bikes? Has that ever been done?
Na, just too young to have redden them. I was on a 1980 YZ 80 when the older dudes were riding Huskies. Just didn't know much about suspension back then.😂@@rogerdodrill4733
I think they are going to have a very tough time in a crowded and extremely competitive space where their competitors have been at this for decades. How they think they are competitively compete is beyond me. We don't need another manufacturer. Having RC as a spokesperson isn't going to make that bike sell and worst of all for them is we are headed into a major recession in the next few quarters and good luck with that.
Spot on analysis. They are on a hiding to nothing, coming in so late with no chance of beating the Japanese and Austrians. I also detest this drip feed of info. This happened with the T7, it went on for years and the so called revolutionary bike was just a modified road bike.
Haters will always hate. I just bought a YZ, so I have no need for another motocross bike. But being a Triumph owner (2nd gen. Speed Twin) I have the utmost faith they are about to release a serious machine, that's gonna be right in the mix from day one. Even the new 400's they released in India are top quality motorcycles. I'm wondering about the prices now? Might we see $10k 250's?
That frame shown, those long welds running to the neck do not look pretty. I guess they must be strong, embarrassing having welds looking like that. Maybe the Robots are not into visuals and uniform laying in the runs. Being familiar with precision custom welding jobs, they have superior finish to Triumph's welds. The old school Bronzes welds done with inline fluxes look superior. My friend associate Ken McKintosh Racing NZ welds are stunning to look at and superb strength. To be honest Triumph's welds they are the worst appearing welds I have seen, maybe production will be better ?. Well hope their MX bike is a success.
To me, Triumph has botched this so bad from a PR standpoint. I was excited at the initial announcement. I couldn't even tell you approximately when that was because it has been far too long. Now they come out and show us the bare frame!? Keep your mouth shut until you have a bike to show!
I enjoy these updates, new manufacturers that have a chance are fun to watch grow
Triumph has been since 1930 I think
I think this is great because a new brand will give more riders the opportunity to become factory riders, could be great for Masterpool 🔥💯
Jalek swoll is contracted for this bike I believe as well as Evan ferry.
No factory is picking up Masterpool. IDC if they have a spot open. It won’t happen
@@GeoPolKT37 hmmm you willing to put money on that?
Masterpool won’t get a ride he needs to be better at supercross then maybe
@@gabrielgibson4355 no team is going to hire a guy in US dirt bike competition based off his outdoor results 😂 dude I guarantee it
The bike has a chance of being pretty good from day one. They have the right people on the project.
It’s gonna be a ktm
Facts! I'm so excited!!! I hope I don't buy one though. I've got a trident and tiger 800 that are both damn near perfect. Every time I push my bikes to the limit I am always surprised at how well they perform. I've never been surprised by any action that my bike makes while pushing hard. I've been a Triumph fan boy since I was 15 in 1999. But, for good reason. They make awesome, reliable, high build quality bikes. You'd have to be crazy not to like triumph.
I just sold my CRF250R I really wish triumph would gift me with one of these new bikes for my loyalty and patronage.
One thing I can say about triumph. Good luck finding parts for it. I get bikes front 2017 that I can’t even find a footpeg for let alone a top end or anything else. Hopefully they get it together if they are making dirtbikes.
your looking in the wrong places, triumphs have just a big aftermarket as any crap jap bike, almost as much as harleys
Dirt bikes tend to wear out & break things w crash more often than street so shi definitely sell more parts
50/50 chance this things going to be a Cannondale.
I was thinking the same thing but hoping that this could be different. They both had a successful 2 wheel presence in their own respective markets and did well. The current off road motorcycle market has years of experience and presents stiff competition. Don’t forget BMW as well…..
Great idea..see what they can come up with...👍👍👍
I like it they are going in a different direction with the frame and it's not just another Japanese clone--as good as they are.
05 Yamaha 450 was steel frame, 05 yz250 and yz125 was Yamahas first aluminum frames
06-09 was what he meant.
@@mxgryanyup. Those early versions where they went from the steel frame with the oil tank in the frame to that first gen aluminum frame with the separate oil tank.
Ohlins front and rear, standard or option would be a great choice.
Always dream I will own a dirt bike soon ❤️💪🏼
i got one for sale, 2500 bucks , bring it
You will one day 😊
quality controll is top shelf.
RC is the man for the PR aspect.
race on Sunday, sell on Monday
Two things to reeeeealllyyy have me interested would be a two stroke line at some point & a Factory Edition bike
Waiting this long for the "debut", it better look like the space shuttle!
My honest opinion is Triumph have been producing some great bikes in the recent years. I mean really great bikes, meaning I'm pretty confident they'll produce a top notch product. The only thing that will determine most people's opinion more than anything else, will be the it's price point. I'm confident they'll be building a great bike, it's how much they can build it for that will be the biggest factor. It's alright really wanting a bike it's another thing being able to afford it as well. Hopefully it's reasonably priced.
I think amateur contingency payouts are going to be the key to the future of mx more than over the top development. In a retail market the bikes are almost $10,000 and plenty fast for 95% of us. Leaving a balance or adding into the budget for essential safety items like proper suspension setup is key. People will pay for it one way or the other, injuries or money. I want to see this sport hold on to the grass roots and cultivate the talent without going Nascar/formula 1. A
I remember this being a huge deal back in the eighties when I started racing. Suzuki's contingency program kept me on the track when my sixteen year old wallet went belly up.
That YZ from 05 to 09 is 1 of the best bikes ever made. So good on them for that design.
LET'S GO TRIUMPH!!! Want to see this bike!!!!!
I’m waiting for the Hodaka combat wombat m 4 and Greeves m5 the competition won’t know what hit um
How about some AJS !
This is amazing news ML. Triumph coming into the DB arena will only breath new life into the sport, which it needs. They have a chance to do amazing things! Don't leave out the 2 strokes!
sick to see them in the game! Great for all the Triumph dealers....
Triumph has great quality control. I liked the 06-09 YZ250/450F, especially 08/09... Predictable and still decent turning. Love the new bike roll out as well... Always keep em wanting more.
Look very nice in bk of my '22 F150 Tremor. Can't wait! 💯 Competition improves the breed. #KTM #F150
I hope the frame is like the old YZ450F 2006. I liked that bike, it was slim with a flat seat, 1st Gen KYB SSS fork, titanium shock spring, that bike handled great!
Hell yes I’ve been waiting to see this!
That’s the updated rm250 frame that we never got, praying they make a 2 stroke because this bike is going to handle impeccably ❤
i have three Triumphs...just bought a '23 Tiger 900 Rally and it is an awesome bike. I am sure the mx'er will be good
It’s nice that they could offer more of a factory team bike
I think it looks like the last two stoke RM chassis but aluminum
Good-looking reliable & affordable
Signing Carmichael was a genius move by Triumph. Instant credibility goes a long way for a brand new venture like this.
It has to be sub 11,000 to have a chance. For me to buy it, I'd have to see versions such as trail and mx. With their street bike heritage, a dual sport would compliment very nicely and possibly bring others into the sport. Ultimately, i need a 350 from them to be really interested. We need the euro bike to push the agenda on the middle motor class🤙cant wait to see what the Japanese come back with to rival them. Possibly a revival of the xr350? Im loving all the competition now the more manufacturers the better! Maybe someday Cannondale or another u.s based brand will try their hand and give us something to be proud of. That would be massive for the sport and innovation!
They need to bring out something to compete with the Austrian 350s. A 350 with chassis comfort & KYB suspension. They would have vet riders running to it.
You just described the 2023 Beta 350 Race Edition.
I am hyped about the bike as it’s a unique though I don’t trust buying first generation of any bike especially as I’ve always leaned more towards Japanese due to dealer network being much more accessible compared to the euros where I’m from. If triumph wants to win over customers, it starts at customer interactions with the dealer network.
Where do you live that KTM has no dealership presence? Even in northern Canada parts are easy to source now…probably even quicker than the big four.
Go KTM you will not be disappointed. Better design, engineering & components. -NY
I worked at a triump dealer back in the late 90s. Their street and "adventure" bikes were always fun to ride. I dont think ill be trading in my KTMs on a triumph 250 anytime soon but excited to see them
I’m very interested in getting one
My late father was into late 60’s Triumphs
It all sounds good. When I think Triumph,I see the old school green they used to have . Lord I hope it's not green.
Will take one if launched in India for sure 👍
ricky looks like he just left a TRIUMPH concert in the 80s
I really like Triumph designs for the street but have always been a dirt guy. If they release a nice looking bike that isn’t a billion dollars and it turns out to be pretty reliable I’d buy
Def gonna need that dealer support though especially with parts that will be breaking
Word of full reveal and complete product on public display @ LL Amateur Nationals.
I am expecting Cannondale level performance
or ATK. But I expect the same...
And Cannondale backup service n parts
I think with the crew they have on board they will have a bike like the sought after years of other OEM's. Dave Arnold has seen the best chassis designs in the history of the sport and with out the Japanese pressure on the final say this thing might just be amazing. I would definitely buy one. I hope they succeed and introduce Enduro and D.S. models.
This is awesome.
Remember Triumphs being sold in the sixties, with a piece of carpet to absorb the leaking oil. Actually had a "T" on it. Hope they have improved their quality control department.🤣
Dirt bikes leaking oil not big deal have to check every ride anyway if u want to not be stranded. Unless you a greenie, then wouldn't be polluting forest anyway
Very exciting!
God Save the King - I hope the Frame comes out Good - Japanese & German Ignition systems are flawless and super tuneable - (Yamaha comes to mind ) - Ohlins sounds good, but stock KYB stuff is flawless with endless tuning capability - We Would All Love a Bloke 2Stroke for Moto and especially Off-Road - Please include a Real Open Class 2stroke engine for both - - Go Triumph
Mmm... British racing green and black plastics with a brown or tan seat and gold öhlins suspension 🤤
*Said in Homer voice*
Okay that’s a sick color way especially with the dark grey and white triumph logo on the radiator shroud
I think they should stick to their British racing green/vintage vibe and they'll sell a lot of bikes. If it can hang with a YZ250f in terms of weight and performance, it'll have some additional flair/heritage that I think a lot of people would be into.
Can’t wait
With the backgrounds and experience this team of people have it should be competitive right off.
They should make a 350 because that seems to be the sweet spot. It also needs to be great because no one will just take a chance on this
It's good to see that they're doing something a little bit different than everyone else I don't think the there was room in the marketplace to have something that was just another colour
Triumph build excellent products. Triumph will need great winning riders, ditto mechanics, & tuners on their machines to short cycle the trip to the podiums ! This will be great for the industry. Now, if they will jus get back on Flattrack racing 😍❤. Thx
Lol, I have a 70 Bonnie I could sell you.
@@frankweathersbee2553 😊 l am not down for all the wrenching needed 🙈. Would like to see the parallel twins turning left,on dirt, at high speed again….Matchless , BSA…..all of them 🥳🤩 👍🏻
As long as it doesn't leak oil.......................
It’s British, does it come with a head gasket replacement kit directly from the manufacturer?
I hope they saw the Yamaha’s paint at washougal and go with purple
Great update... Do you know what colors or an idea or what's your guess?
I stopped giving a shit about this bike when they rented out a baseball stadium and invited a bunch of media out, and still didn't show anyone the bike.
Yet here you are.. 😁
Wonder who they will choose for their riders?
Great video. Very exciting to hear Triump is taking the leap to dirt….but wonder why it’s happening honestly. And why are they so late to the game? Are street market shares falling? Either way, they’ve assembled some heavy hitters (especially Dave) to ensure all this effort isn’t for naught. Good luck to them. Looking forward to seeing the final product. Another factory effort is always a good thing.
So far all HYPE😮
If this is an unveil, then I am the King of England
i won't believe it until i can touch it
Bring it Bobby Hewitt 🏁✊🏼
Now I can sit here and watch someone out a trophy 900triple into this chassis🤞🤞
Honestly, the only thing that will really sell me on a Triumph is good results at the professional level. That might be a tall order with Yamaha being such a king right now in the 250 class, but that's what it would take.
Time for a Giga-Press!!!!
They need to make the best power and handling bikes they can and if they can put some comfortability in thatix even better
Don't think a comfortable dirt bike is a top priority for any hardcore dirt pilot, performance is the primary primary criteria
The best possible!!!
I would definitely consider if it had 3 pipes and sounded like it wanted to kill everything in sight...
Triumph makes incredible street bikes. Their R&D is only enhanced by their support group; RC et al. Ohlin suspension on dirt bikes? Has that ever been done?
Ohlins were on mid 80's Huskys
Too young to know husky dirt bikes?
Na, just too young to have redden them. I was on a 1980 YZ 80 when the older dudes were riding Huskies. Just didn't know much about suspension back then.😂@@rogerdodrill4733
I think they are taking their time
In analysis of all the OEM brands is the correct direction.
It will probably take a couple of years to get everything right on the bike, but good luck Triumph.
How are they going to make it sound as good as their triple engine format
You would think we would have full bike right they need to be testing it for 2024 supercross hmm
badass
I saw Carmichael at ponca I was on a cr250. He lapped me on a beat up kx80. Dam he's fast
Will they produce a street version?
I think they are going to have a very tough time in a crowded and extremely competitive space where their competitors have been at this for decades. How they think they are competitively compete is beyond me. We don't need another manufacturer. Having RC as a spokesperson isn't going to make that bike sell and worst of all for them is we are headed into a major recession in the next few quarters and good luck with that.
Spot on analysis. They are on a hiding to nothing, coming in so late with no chance of beating the Japanese and Austrians. I also detest this drip feed of info. This happened with the T7, it went on for years and the so called revolutionary bike was just a modified road bike.
Would be cool to see an enduro bike too…
Haters will always hate. I just bought a YZ, so I have no need for another motocross bike. But being a Triumph owner (2nd gen. Speed Twin) I have the utmost faith they are about to release a serious machine, that's gonna be right in the mix from day one. Even the new 400's they released in India are top quality motorcycles. I'm wondering about the prices now? Might we see $10k 250's?
Finally. A none ktm euro bike!
As long as the plastics arnt red! Too many brands are using it
I’m hoping they’ll be black and green, or British racing green with a brown seat.
I used to work at an old Triumph dealer selling parts. I hope they aren't like they were back then, just horrible compared to Japanese.
Cannondale pt2
The frame is made from ALUMINIUM not ALUMINUM, der!! 🙄..... Scoop!! It will also have an external piston & watercooled footpegs
It must win a race atleast unless you're triumph fan
lets start making predictions on the color eh... what do ya say?!...
Done holding my breath... 😅
A one year warranty with no exclusions for competition use.
They need 2 strokes too
Who's racing it in pro- am ?
That frame shown, those long welds running to the neck do not look pretty. I guess they must be strong, embarrassing having welds looking like that. Maybe the Robots are not into visuals and uniform laying in the runs. Being familiar with precision custom welding jobs, they have superior finish to Triumph's welds. The old school Bronzes welds done with inline fluxes look superior. My friend associate Ken McKintosh Racing NZ welds are stunning to look at and superb strength. To be honest Triumph's welds they are the worst appearing welds I have seen, maybe production will be better ?. Well hope their MX bike is a success.
All we get to see is the frame? I thought they were unveiling the whole bike today. Lame
They need to put Deagan on it !
Hey Triumph would you like some cookies with that milk?🤦♂️ I’m excited & looking forward to a new competitor but dang talk about milking this🥴
Skinny Mike over here... lookin shvelt man!
Loll more Torx head screws 🤦🏻♂️ might as well add some wood screws on the thing and call it a ktm/husky/gasgas.
So... wheres the two stroke?
Frame looks pretty similar to the yz250.
KYB suspension is an odd choice for an English motorcycle. I'm interested to see how this turns out.
To me, Triumph has botched this so bad from a PR standpoint. I was excited at the initial announcement. I couldn't even tell you approximately when that was because it has been far too long. Now they come out and show us the bare frame!? Keep your mouth shut until you have a bike to show!