Stihl MS461 chainsaw porting... START to FINISH... JCS
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- Опубліковано 13 лис 2021
- This is by far the most requested video I've had so here it is guys I hope you like it... literally from teardown to start up with everything I can possibly show you in-between... the last video I had to pull and edit to avoid issues... what a process that is for a 1.5 hr video lol...
Big thanks to Elijah for letting me post his saw and he's another Hotshot wildfire guy and they dont get much more legit than that... the 461s I do all go to wildfire crews and im honored to do it...
If you are interested in the actual numbers and details on the build just email me johnscustomsaws@gmail.com and I can explain... I have no problem sharing... the way I do the piston and machining is different so I can't give out the details of that build of you don't have the ability to machine everything... but im happy to help you out... Like I said there is no "secret sauce" bit it does depend on how you go about it... certain numbers will work for certain builds and I would need to know the details...
@johnscustomsaws on Instagram
Thanks for watching!!!
EVERYTHING YOU ARE DOING TO THIS SAW IS COMPLETELY STUPID....I HAVE A 391 UNTOUCHED THAT WILL RUN CIRCLES AROUND THE 461
hahaha you've got a good sense of humor there Craig
Tell me you have a Intellectual Disability with out telling me !! 🤣🤣🤣
"This channel doesn't have any content"
The only thing your "untouched" 391 will run circles around is the shitter there bud
Please just sell the poor saw and get a cheap husqvarna... you dont deserve a stihl if you talk absolute bullshit
Recently discovered your channel through your ms200t port for treeson. Thank you for creating these videos. You obviously know what you are doing and you present the material in a way most anyone can understand it. I have always wanted to get into porting. I have an ms461 so this video is a huge help. Honestly just from watching the ms200t porting video several times I was confident enough in porting my ms461 but this is one better. I have done quite a bit of research but nothing compares to the quality and value of information you present. Thank you
If I fall asleep I'm still helping a great guy!!!
GOOD TO SEE SOMEONE WITH A CLEAN ORGANIZED WORKSPACE AND A EXCELLANT WORK ETHIC,2THUMBS UP.
Thanks man... it might ge take a little hectic but I do clean the shop every night when I am done and get reorganized after every saw... I can't stand a messy workplace.. my dream shop would look like an operating room mixed with a log cabin lol
@@johnscustomsaws 1:33 oil mix is ok ?
Awesome video man. Thank you for taking the time to make it!
friggin awesome. new arborist in training right now. dont have a stihl but dang, your knowledge and connection with the people out there risking their lives to save others.. honor. God bless your ability. thanks for the post up!
WOW, the throttle response is Awesome!!!
Great Job for the Great people out there putting their lives on the line fighting fires!!
i couldnt agree more my friend... thanks
@@johnscustomsaws
Hey John I really enjoy your content and NO B.S. approach to what you do.
Anyhow, quick question. Do you ever cut the piston skirt on the 461s?
@@jad2484 glad u can appreciate that I don't sugarcoat things lol... I don't cut the skirts tho on any pistons really... not saying I never have but I don't on any standard builds... some hybrids I have to but thats only to get the intake in check usually... 461s love big intakes you almost can't go too big ... I have a few videos on the channel of a 461 cylinder I went to the extreme... to the point of comical and it is one of the best running 461s I have ever ran... until I blew it up with nitrous 😬... twice 🤦♂️.... okay 3 times if I am honest 🤷♂️
@@johnscustomsaws
I've watched those videos. AWESOME!
Keep on keeping on dude.
And as Donny Walker says...
Keep it in the wood!
You alive John?
I appreciate the long video, my knowledge of the 2 stroke is minimal but this is interesting and informative.
This was an awesome video, loved every minute of it. Thanks very much!!!!
Awesome video, Love the 461. I bet its a beast when ported. Thanks John
That’s how ya run a work bench! Nice and clean and organized!
Excellent work. Thanks for showing it.
Greetings from Spain.
Always learn alot from your videos John. Great knowledge you got! Watching you all the way from Nairobi, Kenya.
Watched this whole because of the love of two stroke engines. Thanks John.
Love your work John, was a great video!
I didn't get to comment when you did the build on Ms 500i for your buddy I think it's an awesome thing you did man you're one of the best at doing what you do keep it up I like watching your man God bless you need more people like you in this world.
Thank you for your time in posting this. I learned a lot.
Hey thanks for the advice on the break in of a saw. I see so many people idle their saws for a full tank and never thought it was a good idea but now I know .... Thanks!
I will be honest i even wondered myself because people were being told by the dealership to do so... i didnt agree but was open to hearing out the theory... but after i opened up a couple that customers shipped to me... (new saws with a tank ran thru at idle)... i will never be convinced its a good method... they had tons of build up and they were running hot... they even had that "hot metal" smell... heat cycles are what i have always done since the early 90s and its always worked great
I used to be a certified Mercury Marine mechanic and one of the first things they told us to ask about if an outboard came in with a dead cylinder and an excessive amount of smoke was "Do you use it for trolling (more important on the 65 horsepower and up engines) and then check the boat for an oil container to see if they were using a oil for air cooled engines or for marine use. Most people never seem to understand that the oil for an outboard engine is formulated to burn cleaner at a lower engine temperature than an air cooled one but I found one engine that was used more for low speed trolling or as a shuttle service for taking people from the dock to their private houseboat moorage that when we pulled the bottom piston out of an 85 horsepower four cylinder you couldn't see where any of the piston rings were at because of the oil fouling. But it also served to cut down on the lubrication of the piston itself and it had beat the skirt up so bad that you could almost put the thing back into the bore sideways because of the skirt shape.
Awesome work and great job on the video. I’m still learning UA-cam myself. I sure hope I can get a 661 done by you someday.
Love your sense of humour! Happy to watch start to finish
Goodluck with the Lambo mate
A SUPERB VIDEO ,OF A VERY GIFTED ENGINEER , WHO LOVES HIS WORK KEEP IT UP
I’ve ported three Stihl’s so far, and I loved every minute of this video. Good shit, John. Happy to give you another 90 minutes of watch time.
I think you can run it together from different browser and it counts ;)
@@Mtematiks nah it works off the IP address say ya stream it from UA-cam and go through your browser google chrome or what ever it’s the same up addy but what ya can do is stream it on your smart tv and your phone or tablet and phone but if you use your phone for a hot spot to run the tablet it won’t count as double watch time bc it’s coming from the same IP address
This is by far my favorite chainsaw porting video I’ve seen to date. This is my second time watching it! Love the channel & wishing you the best. Keep up the great work.
Thanks John.
Awesome content 👊
I love the way the piston casting dust flys around and helps break in the main bearings
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
I love 2 strokes and been tinkering with them since I was a little boy with my cox 0.49 baby bees ,good stuff I'm loving every minute of it
I remember the baby bees, right on ,haven't heard those two words for a long time. Still have finger scars
@@davidvaneck4856 it was the most dangerous and fun time to be a kid we had toys that would light your room on fire if you didn't watch out or put an eye out or the yard darts you know chemistry sets.lol
"For display purpose only" love west coast muscle saws too, good shit, old school!
I enjoyed that, quality work. 👍
Stick it out… you’ll grow… your build’s kick ass!!!
I dome pistons in my CNC too. You are not alone. I also do a full combustion chamber shape to match the dome and resize to get the compression ratio I want.
Great job mate,I have been running saws for 30 years,Walkers saw shop,west coast saw shop, and your self,thanks for who you are and what you give too people like me. Koala Bob
Followed through on watching this video all the way through for ya, learned a lot in the process since I own a 461 and wish I would have watched this first hand. You probably hear this all the time but I'm a self-taught chainsaw mechanic and I've only ported three saws so far my 026, 036 pros and 461. Just would like to say thank you very much for everything that you do and for taking the time to make these videos that are very informative and unique. I'm a fourth generation logger that lives in Washington Pacific Northwest Forks to be specific and I've learned a lot of neat tips from different Legend timber fallers on how to squeeze as much power as you can from your saw and I'm with you for not wanting to just give away all your secrets you've been taught, some of them tricks are worth more than gold in my book. If you're ever in my neck of the woods would love to take you on a tour of the company I work for Dahlgren Log Co. and the shop I work at.We're in the process of restoring one of the world's largest yarders,Berger Mk6 and they own both quite impressive if I do say so myself. There's actually a video we recorded some years back that's on UA-cam I believe it's called flying the cats lol we shot a couple 527 cat grapple skidders over a quarter mile across a valley. I'm proud to say I was the one that made the spreader bar that supported carrying those suckers across. Sorry for writing a short novel but I have to say you are the man when it comes to Saw mods hands down and I believe you are going to make it big it's just a matter of time my friend just keep staying positive and keep up the hard work it all pays off in the end at least it always has for me most of the time with some learning curves along the way LOL.
God bless and be safe out there, JH P.S. Let me know if you what you think of that short logging video
Awesome detailed work dude!!!
That looks like fun! I ported many 2 strokes in the past. Kart racing reed and rotary valve engines. Breaking exhaust at 90 degrees!
Dude I want to try a rotary engine soooooo bad... I think it would be epic for a saw... they hit some serious RPMs ... thats awesome man
they sure do. When Mazda first brought out the RX-7 a fellow racer here in Northern California bought one new and on one of the service checks he said it was a real monster and when he took it in for the next thing he told the service writer that he really appreciated the tune up, that it would really come alive when it turned over 10,000 rpm's. The service writer turned white and checked who the tech was that left the rpm limiter disabled on the last service.
I love the snoring!!
Seriously though, an absolutely awesome video. Thank you!
dog?
This is my first video of yours that I’ve watched, I’m sure there will be more. I enjoyed the theory on port shaping and positioning, I’ll be going down the rabbit hole of understanding those concepts more.
I love the blatant honesty 😄😄😄 making videos is A LOT OF WORK for very little reward. I feel your pain 💯
Very well done video, you are very conscientious!
Love this video. You kinda broke my heart when you said you wouldn't build one for milling. But, gotta respect your honesty. I'm a hotrodder at heart. I have no need for a hotrodded saw, but I have a want. I just think it's cool that you show all, or most of your tricks. You're one bad dude. Keep up the great work. Your work ethic will keep you busy!
Ported saws generate more heat. Milling is already the most heat-intensive thing that someone can do with a saw. It’s a proven bad combination, regardless of who builds the saw. Sadly.
Keep up the good work!!! Keep the videos coming!!
here's what you need is one of those adjustable illuminated big magnifying glasses that hang over your workbench, it ended a lot of my frustration with soldering.
That’s just a beautiful saw…man!!! Wrap looks perfect!!! Man O man!!! I need to be dropping trees with one of them there saw’s!!! Boy howdy!!! I absolutely love it!!!
Appreciate it my man
Looks good, this is sick
Never leave the oil pump dry… I use a couple big black Home Depot trash bags with a little tape between layers… you could actually ship it with fuel and it’s never letting out any odor…
That’s a badass saw and I want one!!! Everything that you’ve said and done is absolutely spot on… don’t ever change your ways because someone says different… you’re on the money!!!
I actually just had a shit show shipping issue over bar oil... surprise inspection and it didn't go well 😬
@@johnscustomsaws I use trash bags…three layers with a little tape on each layer…then toss it in a box!!
You can leave the gas in them and you can’t smell shit!!! Drain and leave caps off sitting cap side down for a couple days and it’ll dry…rinse out both tanks with 70% dollar store rubbing alcohol… then stick a couple dryer sheets into both Reservoirs …
For 🔥 Fire Fighter crews. Thats Awesome! Kudos contracts. God Bless Them. Great Job!
I miss working on STIHL equipment
Video, video, youtube star, Ford Pinto, staycation? Happy to watch it all for you.
I found out about you through the rebuild on Treeson’s 200. Glad I did but now I have gone down the rabbit hole watching all your videos and lost track of my Saturday! When the video started I heard a machine running and couldn’t figure it out, after listening more it was Bella snoring 😂
Lol that dog is always snoring man... dude I am glad you like the content and I appreciate you watching 💯 definitely more to come and better content hopefully lol
Thank you for your expert instruction. You rock
Awesome build!
For sure
@@Johncustomsaws1 scammer!
Great job specially for a younger guy he made that saw run perfect and last longer congrats my friend keep up the great work
thanks man... the baby face throws people off sometimes just being honest i have been wrenching and modding 2 strokes for 25 years basically... its pretty much all i have ever done just because i love it... sadly i am over 40 tho lol... i still think thats young... kid at heart for sure!!! appreciate the kind words!!!
Definitely more in depth than my 461 builds. Looks like you are really squeezing some extra power from them. I’m happy cutting my bands flat. But I can see your logic in the way you cut your pistons and the benefits from it. Nothing but support from me brother. Glad to see a real saw builder finally catch on in this UA-cam crowd. Some of them tell me my doing machine work is pointless🙄
Oh they would be wrong... it definitely makes a difference... to the point that if I run a stock saw even the best pro saw they feel incredibly tame...
@@johnscustomsaws exactly my thoughts on my builds vs stock. but yours I would imagine you would run mine and think mine feel tamed lol
oh hell no man... ported is ported and i have always said there is no secret sauce so your saws and mine are neck and neck i imagine... if anyone built a saw that blew other ported saws out of the water then maybe its a discussion worth having but the truth is that we all build good saws and its just how you treat customers and quality... i saw your 461 build it is legit my man 100%
@@johnscustomsaws wow thanks for that. Keep up the great work! I admire your honesty. I’m not a professional saw builder. I just build for my friends but I always try to do the best quality I can. As long as it’s my best every time my conscience is clear! 🍻
@@fabzacres-blackcat i actually have my own design for combustion chambers and pistons which I don't share publicly and I get the performance without super high compression... my saws run 185 psi cold and last for years... thats how I landed the wildfire contracts is because they are still easy to start and run like mad... longevity and reliability is what they are after... so I do have a few tricks up my sleeve 😉
Very nice job! Great video
I subbed and liked this video first 3 mins and Im committing to the ENTIRETY of it.
There is always one who is jealous don’t let the haters get to you bro .you do amazing work .
I feel ya, it sure takes forever lol. Looks like your getting there now, awesome videos
Great video! I love saws, but I don’t use one very much. I do ride and work on dirt bikes and your video illustrates porting truly well. I’m watching all. Good luck on the Lambo!
Realy enjoyed this john
I love the look of your muffler you should do a side by side stock to custom pipe! I want to see Thanks!
Watched the whole vide John, it was great info
Another good video, I’ve never been into this kind of stuff but after watching Guilty of treeson video he did with you with his 200t and the NOS saw it got me hooked.
Gave you a subscribe. Enjoyed the couple videos I’ve watched so far. Keep after it. You’ll be surprised how fast it’ll run once it starts rolling for you.
Nice video, plus it was especially sweet because it was done left-handed!
Awesome video. Watched the whole video! Nice
Great stuff! Keep beefin' these saws up man!
John take it easy pulling those starters Man!! That's what they told me 30+ years ago but did I listen? Hell no and now at 64 I'm paying for it big time. Going for more neck and shoulder X-rays tomorrow, bummer
Great video Bud!
Ha ha you had me cracking up! Video, video, youtube star, lamborghini! I appreciate the honesty so i liked and subscribed! Great video
known and used chainsaws all my adult life and just by hearing the sound of your saws I can tell they are wailing, there's nothing like a good running sharp Stihl farm Boss don't really know what number that is and don't care, my personal preference anyway , thanks for something good and new to watch
Great vid, Hi from New Zealand
Good vid John.
I learned a couple of things.
Thats awesome... I learn something every day my friend... problem is I forgot at least 2 things 😆
@@johnscustomsaws Oh, I know the feeling, but doing is learning.
When I started studying porting and I got to the point where I though I knew a little something, I had a rude awaking when I started on my first build.
I had a great saw builder step in and answered a lot of questions about why some saw builders were doing things that went against my common sense. My common sense was right.
Success was a really great reward.
Very good attention to detail
Don't know what other guys you talk about, I watch happy people who know what there talking about.
great vid mate good to see how to do it we dont seem to have anyone in the uk how does chainsaw porting
Watched it all the way.... cool vid dude. Cheers
I cant believe you grind and file parts directly over top of a open crankcase
Pretty cool video man!! Never would of thought of having that done. Lookin to get our my first chainsaw for the property.
💪💪 great video John
Thanks boss... second time is always a charm lol
Just want to say John you got a great Channel and you're going to go places with it for sure I still have a small amount of Subs and have been at it for a few years but I'm not very active for different reasons. The biggest break I got was when aVe mentioned a saying that I use in my videos from while back when I was way more active for a bunch of different reasons. My channel will be back up and running but I'm having some spinal cord issues so I'll still be out of the loop for a little while. Keep doing what you doing man!
I would love to see an MS one on your channel
So I just finally finished this. Didn't pick up on you till after Christmas though I think.
Thanks Guy
I put the chain catch on the saw side too. That way if it gets stolen it's easier to identify.
John, good info.
Amazing video ripper bad ass job
That’s a 14.4 snapper driver??? I really like how that works!!! Very awesome tool, right there buddy!!! Very Sharp Operation!!!!
Thanks man... After getting used to it I literally go nuts if I don't have it... The new ones Also have the quick attach like the new Milwaukee is Milwaukee 12v fuels so the bit just slides right in... love em
Really nice job .
Good to see ya and I’ll definitely watch them because are interesting also hang in there all it takes is one viral video I would try UA-cam shorts and make friends hopeful shoutouts I believe in it 👍
thanks my man... Im not epecting to get rich i just joke around... mostly after a good amount of views so people at least get something out of it that would be awesome
What does one of those cost done like this?
I Liked, Subscribed, Watched the video and now Commenting. Sawing for a better tomorrow!
New subscriber. Used Stihl and jonsered to cut pulp for Brown Paper Co in the 70s. Best Regards
Great video sir, the dog snoring in the background has me cracking up 😂
Can't quite believe I watched all that, but reckon you deserve it 😀 You have some mad skills and knowledge. Respect.
UA-cam ain't easy. Can't tell you how many times I've thought of getting into it and failed for one reason or another. Content and camera work. It's multiple skills at once. Keep on keeping on and, yup, people are 100% goofy! 😂
Peace from Scotland
Nice work
John it'll come around you have to remember there's so many people making chainsaw videos , build a saw and send it to someone like Donny Walker , or tinman something like that you'll be famous bud .
Or you can send it to me via: the flying squirrel 😜😜😜
Buckin’ Billy has got to be like “ What about me🤷🏻♂️” Good people. .. Great channels. .. All hrs. of my day😎 Subscriber here sir👍
Good work John. I would encourage you to talk to Buckin' Billy Ray Smith for a test run. His endorsement would be seen by thousands overnight. Great exposure for your channel. I'm a first time viewer myself and a retired auto tech so appreciate a little old-school custom porting. Takes me back to my track days. Good luck Pal
What does it cost to do a 661?
While others may not, I would recommend caution with the buckin billy crowd.. Sure, it will be a lot of overnight exposure, and possibly a serious boost in your endeavors.. but it will come at a cost.
O M G dude you Handel a chain saw with out a glove on your like a coved rebell.
Sporty rick here from WLS... The original Saw Nazi 23 years.. hanging it up in 2 months, yes baby retiring!
Just wishing you good luck... Like what your doin, but if doin production speed up the process, slapin the pin back in flip saw on starter side look down into the piston to align pin, also polish the baffle and sharpen the top edge of it.. stay away from raising the exhaust port too high, you want the pop to give as it will give.......................... cutters will be very thankful for the next gen of power hungry saw guru's
Tomorrow have 5-500i's a 881 and a 460 in new condition Monday's not going to miss them!
Smooth runnin
Nice job💪🏾👏🏾
Thanks man
The parts of stihl saws that retain the fasteners do so so that they don't end up lost in the duff. If changing a plug on your tailgate or a stump people tend to drop stuff
You crack me up dude. you are a real talent but you are funny as ***** too with your sarcasm
First time viewer but you did just pop up after a reg coats video I was watching, so your coming along and I'm going to start following you but I get the Lamborghini the third weekend of the month every month not just one month every month
its been 2 years since you made this i hope youre out there driving that new lambo