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Podium shuffle in the last week? Ft. Sir Bradley Wiggins | Tour De France 2024 Stage 15 | THEMOVE
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
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Jonas potentially has a better team (not just on the road, but in support and tactics), and if he and his team are at 100%, he's able to beat Pogi. But Pogacar is literally the best bike rider we've ever had the privilege of witnessing. I'm a Visma | LAB fan, but let's be real. Pogi was an absolute beast today.
He would definitely have had the better team if not for the crashes and sickness
i what world does jonas have a better team in this tour?
I disagree, pogi until this tdf was not as good as Jonas. But that is just how you weigh classics vs GTs. This year there is no denying pogi is the best in everything. GT classics sprints mountains TTs everything.
But Im just gonna say it, whats happening right now is really unlikely to be clean. This tour broke the doping era records for the first time. Lance would be around the time of Remco on his best days just to compare.
@@ninnak-ve5ko not this tour but the past tours yes. Wout, kuss,primoz i mean come on it really doesn’t get much better than that.
@@marcotromp2610 sure in the past 2 Tours definitely. Like they are quite a major reason why pogacar cracked.
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Yesterday George thought Jonas could still win. Today he says he is only getting beaten due to injury and would 100% be winning this tour if fully fit. Makes no sense. This is not a serious show. Just jokers smoking the good stuff and walking around in their pants. And wasn’t Jonas fully fit when he won the stage the other day? Why not congratulate Pog for the likely Giro - Tour double? Jonas isn’t even close to being able to claw a second back.
Just a few days ago you guys said Jonas is in the form of his life 😂 . Now he’s losing and suddenly he’s not in the form of his life. Come on make up your mind , which is it? The guy has been setting records all over France and beating his previous times over distance. Probably is there’s this other guy who is even quicker…
lol no they didn’t
Definitely these guys prefer Jonas over Tadej.... And they all predicted Jonas to win.
This yr yonas didn't have the best team to hide behind and it showed
He is not but he is in the race so he gets what he gets, no excuses.
It is becoming embarrasing and delusional how they don´t discuss the tour de france itself but just criticize the tactics and the attacking style of Tadej and just get on a funeral mood and get sad every time Pogacar does a perfomance of a lifetime beating an excelent Jonas, the guy they prefer. Tadej is already an absolute legend. Since 2020 he has won at least 2 stages on every tdf edition. He is a beast and he has been the best rider by far. Good joob by Jonas and Remco, and don´t forget Almeida, 4th place working for his leader, but Pogacar is above anyone else and it is a shame they don´t acknowledge a legendary athlete and history on the making and prefer to have a bias attitude. What about the momentum change they were euphorically talking about when Jonas won the stage? 1 minute of silence for that, it aged well
Exactly
I think armstrong is pissed that Pogacar can do anything a doped up armstrong could do and do it better, and . . . be a nice guy about it. Wow and Jonas is a nice guy as well. Maybe they hate that the riders don't hate each other.
Not sure where the anti Pogacar bias is coming from? Are you guys - the move hosts - doing this just to spice up the tour? I don't think it needs it.
Jealous washed out clowns
Well said
Agreed
They love Pogacar as well. You said Anti. They are on here to talk as you know.
They are commenting Cycling and not football.
Some of us love the sport. Part of the love is the suspense of not knowing who will win and what will happen.
Given todays events, GC is bar an accident or a bonk, settled. The RACE just got a lot less exciting.
I dont think it's bias, but wanting suspense and a an exciting race.
So there we have it. Ketone is involved with Visma and George thinks Jonas is GOD...😂
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Guys, you said days ago that Jonas would not come to the tour if he would not be 100% prepared. He would never start, if his numbers wouldnt be "tour winning". Now you are talking if Jonas was 100% he would win over Pogacar. Few days ago, you were all sure, Jonas will crack Tadej this weeked, now you suddenly talk, that it is normal that he couldnt keep with Pogačar, because Jonas is not 100%....Please I love your podcast, but dont make fools out of yourselfs.
Disagree with the Jonas wins this tour if he's 100%. I say he's very close to 100% in this tour anyways.
True, no Pogi today and he would have won by 2 minutes.
Like Pogi, Vingos form was significantly improving this year. His form is excellent but we will never know how far from optimum compared to what he would’ve been if wasn’t stuck in a hospital bed for 12 days and spend the following 3-4 weeks clawing his way back to a pre crash form.
He was in hospital about three month ago with a punctured lung, broken collarbone and several broken ribs from a crash where he literally thought he would die. And you think he is very close to 100%, how dense can you be lmao
Jonas did say it was his best numbers. Pog is just better and rode the wheel til seeing weakness
@@GermanBelgianwafflejust imagine what his numbers could’ve been without the trauma and severely disrupted training.
"There were crickets on WeDo today after Pog launched. The moment the gap increased to 40 seconds, they whipped out the injury excuse faster than you can say 'ouch.' But not a peep about Remco's injury. And to top it off, they boldly claimed that in a 100% fit Jonas vs. 100% fit Pog showdown, Jonas would take the cake. In an interview after the race, Jonas said that this was his greatest performance ever. This podcast has officially transformed from an objective analysis to the Jonas Fanboys' Chronicles. Next up, they'll probably be knitting Jonas-themed sweaters while singing his praises!"
Best post of the day. I love listening to these guys but wth it’s getting old! Pogo was amazing the last two days and is clearly the best riding. Shut up George !
This podcast is a joke.. prime example that retired riders are not always experts.
Hincapie is a pucnhable joke. Remind me of his palmares, aside the EPO blood bags
I think George and Bradley are stretching it with quite a reach, speculating that Jonas would have beaten Tadej on this climb had his prep been better. Glad/surprised to see Lance give that one the doubtful squint followed by “That’s big talk”. BOTH riders did their PB times up the mountain. Noone who’s underdone does an all time PB. He just happened to be beaten by a rider doing an even more monstrous PB.
George is really now looking ridiculous for undermining Pocagar every time he performs. Yesterday, George said he hopes Pogi has a bad day like last year (fingers crossed, he added), so biased is really getting out of control.
George wants a 3-way GC race. Now we know Pog is gonna win, which will make the last week less interesting...
He has zero credibility, always making excuses and not giving due. For example, rather than acknowledging Pogacar’s greatness (14 stage wins in the Tour at age 25) compared to 4 for JV. Add in Pogacar’s all-around ability & palmares, it’s disingenuous & annoying when George offers up excuses. Funny, I didn’t hear excuses for Pogacar last year when he had a less than ideal Tour prep.
Yeah george is smoking something. Losing by over a minute in last 4 kilometers is mind blowing. A 100% jonas could not beat pog today.
George has been a Pogi hater ever since. He is bitter.
George is from the US where you have the freedom to express yourself....if you don't like that move to another country...don't force your views on George....his views are his.
They forget to mention one sponsor.. Visma Least a Bike..
stop with this "if he wasn't injured" and give pogacar his flowers. jonas himself said he did one of the best performance of his life today. yes he had a serious crash but he has clearly recovered very well and is in great shape. as lance himself would say "men lie, women lie, but the numbers dont" and jonas did career best numbers today. so far, pogacar has simply been better this year.
Complain all you want, but poggy’s always going to have an asterisk next to this one, if he wins
Thank you for the "this year" bit. Sadly a lot of Pogi fans are now trying to rewrite 2022 and 2023.
@@5508Vanderdekken No, only Jonas fans will have it. Than let's say the same shit for 2023, shall we?
@@5508Vanderdekkenur actually so salty rn and it’s hilarious. Every comment you have to respond to and make excuses, it’s hilarious😂😂
@@5508Vanderdekken like Jonas had last year?
When did this show become JONAS show and not WEDU.......
George totally disrespecting Pogi. What Jonas has done is simply incredible and it shows how physically and mentally strong he is. However, George has not given Pogi credit for completely changing his program this year in preparation for this tour. He did more altitude camps, more and longer high mountain climbs and lost weight. Is it not possible that no matter the circumstance Pogi wins this day? Jonas said this is the best output he'd ever done! They both broke the climbing record. Haters can now hate on this comment
That's an absurd statement from George and Brad. Jonas just did the 2nd best climbing performance of all-time and the best climbing performance of HIS LIFE! He's absolutely in the best shape of his life and to say, "Well...he'd definitely win if he didn't crash an April" is just pure speculation. We get it, you guys either love Jonas or don't like Pogi. I'm not sure what the deal is, but the gaslighting by Visma about Jonas heading into this tour was pure bullshit. Jonas has never been this good. He just ran into a Pogacar who is on an absurd level. It's that simple.
Being in the ICU for 12 days is also simple. He destroyed Pogi last year with twice the time ge is down now.
And Jonas just did the best w/kg climbing performance of his life!!!!! He is in better shape than last year's tour. He's never done numbers like this in his career. @@nikosvault
@@nigelcarreiro6630he was better in the time trial last year.
@@nigelcarreiro6630 The time trial proved he is not himself. He looked like the greatest time rider of the last 20 years in 2023.
@@nikosvaultyou all acting like Pogacar wasn't able to up his level from the last years
Pogacar hate is very clear in this room
Now, that's a crazy statement. You don't have to give TP his due, he'll take it!
he can take it but tadejs tour win still has an asterisk. it is what it is.
*tadej’s 3rd tour win (if he wins it)
I think 100% Pog racing with tactics beats Jonas.
Racing doped to fxck he does. Climbs the Plateau 2 miles quicker than Pantani who was doped out of his skull? 🤣🤣
think
@@mayalman I think we need a 1v1 Everesting competition to settle this.
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Jonas put in his best climbing performance ever today, by the numbers. Sir Bradley and George are just wrong on this one. As far as the podium goes, Rodriguez or Almeida would have to be up on Remco by what? 2 mins to feel safe in the last TT? So Remco would have to lose 7 1/2 mins to Almeida and 8 1/2 to Rodriguez for the podium to be in play?
Love you guys, but...come on. What race are y'all watching?
Vingegaard is doing his record watts and performances
All perfectly clean... watts higher / faster than all the doped guys. Uh huh...
Doped out of their fucking minds.
@@w8stral cleaner than that doped up pogi
Bit of an unfair take as Pogačar wasn't fully fit last year.
2022?
Jonas tells us he is doing the best numbers of his life… Lance Brad and George “man what if he was 100%” dude that?
@@nikosvault tactically undone by the Roglic/Jonas duo.
That and also the fact that in both 22-23 he prepare flanders. This year he prepare only grand Tour not something tò underestimate in my opinion
@@nikosvaultroglic van arte kuss?
Is it just me or George is a little upset, because Jonas is not on Pogi’s level? You could at least try to think objectively and that is the reason why i like JB 2 more. Without Lance this would be Jonas Vingegaard fan zone.
Sorry George and Wiggo... Tadej on 100% is the GOAT. Hint of jealousy from you 2. Lance is only one who calls it fair.
Lance is calling it fair because they are all doping and it is obvious they are as all the doped records of the 90's are being broken by "clean" riders... The bikes are no more efficient. Climbing is climbing.
@@w8stral Bikes are definitely more efficient and also training and nutrition are more professionaly handled nowadays
@@arda5787 No, bikes are not more efficient, in fact they are heavier than the 90's bikes... not that this matters for this discussion as the doped TIMES being broken are for the climb portion where any better aerodynamics(they are better, but it is miniscule) do not matter one bit. Bike racing is nearly identical to marathon running. Marathon running times from 20 years ago are no different than today or at MOST have been broken by 3%. So, no, nutrition etc have not gotten better. The Biking records(non doped) today, assuming Pogy isn't doping(yea right they all are currently) he/they are beating by ~10%-->20%... ROFL. Not doping, sure... pull the other leg. Dude, TP, just beat Lance Armstrongs Doped record up this climb by 7 minutes.... 7!!! out of ~45. "Not doping" ... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Sure dude.
@@w8stral modern bikes are faster
@@w8stral deluded!
Why does this podcast sound like a Jonas fan video these days? Jonas is 100% and Pogi is simply better.
LMAOOOO no one touches Pogacar. He finally changed a coach from a bald clown. His weeknes was always high temperatures and altitude. Now it is sorted with the new coach. He now has as good training na nutrition as jonas had for years.
Oh, so he had to do everything Jonas was doing to finally beat him? Is that what you’re saying?
Zone 2 San Millan gone.
Also trained more exclusively for the long mountains
@@5508Vanderdekken in order to become better u have to address your week points. Something real champions do and this is what separates them from losers like u
Im usually in agreeance with the takes but definitely underselling Pog here. Pog was under prepared last year and had Roglic, Kuss and a demon WVA attacking him. That's why he cracked. Stage 15 was essentially 1 on 1 and Jonas even at 100% isn't staying with that beast in yellow
Guys you are wrong. Jonas actually said him self, that today performance was the best ever. He admitted that he is in best shape. What you see its his 100% shape. Except that, that Pogi is better. Pogi was in bad shape last year, thats why Jonas win so easy.
It may be his best shape so far, but he definitely would've been in better shape had he had a perfect build up.
At this point I’m going to wait till JB and Johan’s podcast, fewer ads and pundits. Johan’s analysis is objective and insightful. Lance is maybe the only guy in this show trying to show any objectivity.
I don’t get how these guys are such homers for Jonas. If, if, if…if my aunt has balls, she’d be my uncle.
I 100% lost faith in George when I saw him riding Ventum.
I don’t think you heard Jonas when he said he put in his best numbers and tadej was able to beat it
Zero credit to Pogacar and just hating is crazy
They never want to give Pogi his due. Probably because they don't want to admit he's better than Lance......
@@shanesturdivant8307 on better juice
Oh yeah, that’s it, for sure
Or they know something.
He is already better than lance
A LOT better.
Pogi had the greatest climbing performance in cycling history--Jonas the second best ever!
Monsters. Both of them.
Yeah, Pogi with a huge lead in UCI standings is absolutely always not better that Jonas 'if Jonas is 100%'. You really are a bunch of babblers 🤪
I always come here to watch this podcast before the next TDF stage… I think this was the last time.
Pogi is just better, period. Lance Armstrong without peds did 6.3watts/kg, 7watts/kg with peds.
Pogacar put 7.0watts/kg. Period. Simply the best
Try 7.2
So much hate toward The Greatest
C'mon
I want a video with johan and Chris Horner to talk about the actual race.
horner is a knucklehead for chasing George on his last tour down the champs d'elysées
Horner is a snivelly annoying little child
@@5508Vanderdekken Boy, did you make a comment and then like to comment yourself?
@@korisniktrenutnonijedostup4309no, people just agree with me, unlike your comments
Pogacar is better than Jonas, can spin it how you want. Tadej is once in a generation cyclist. He races every thing not just the Tour.
Who is just riding the Tour?
@@2200bronx Lance in his days
@@2200bronx Haven’t seen Jonas racing any of the spring classics. That’s who…
@@mohess1 But he is not a classicer rider, so why should he? But he is riding alot of week races and did this year untill the crash. You make it sounds like he is ONLY riding TDF🤦♂️ Btw, i love Pogi, but you canˋt say that Jonas only riding TDF
@@2200bronx Whatever, man! If Jonas can win stages at the Tour, he can win the classics Pog has won. Jonas only races for the Tour, and I didn’t say he did no other races this season. Please don’t put words in my mouth.
The question can't just be does 100% Jonas beat 100% Pogacar. Does a 100% Jonas beat a Pogacar who only prepares for the Tour and then rides tactically and uses his team more efficiently.
I see Pogačar is living in some ppl heads rent free lol
Jonas literally said in post interview that this was the best performance of his career and Pog was just better.
Yuck. Bad takes on this podcast. Give Pogi his flowers.
"100% jonas beats pogacar", what is 100%? jonas is doing record breaking numbers for himself so if another guy is better, is just better
Who was better guy for the last 24 months?
@@nikosvaultWho cares - we are no longer in 2022 and 2023. And Pogi has learnt from his mistakes.
@@sonckadstage 11 would suggest otherwise
Pogacar won giro alrdy, so we can say hes not 100%, cuz he have giro in his lags... stop the bs, pogi is just on another lvl, and visma cant do enethink about that@@nikosvault
@@nikosvault check out the pcs and UCI stats and let me know who is the best throughout last 4 years
I don't understand why they say Jonas at 100% beats Pogacar. Pogacar as the better team and last year, like Jonas this year, Pogacar also had an injury that derrailed his preparation. I don't think you can say stuff like that. Plus, Jonas said that this was one of his best performances ever, so... You never know what could have been, you can just talk about what it is. Last year Jonas was the strongest but this year, until now still 6 stages to go, Pogacar has been the strongest
Last year tadej has a broken wrist. This year, Jonas saw god at the bottom of a mountain in the Basque Country. It’s not the same thing
Jonas was better last year. He reigned supreme. This spring he was at an even higher level. Just like Pogi. Pogi also started doing altitude camps. Normally he would just ride Tour of Slovenia
Wiggins sum up of Pogacar is crap, give due credit !
Fuck the move not giving kudos to Pogi who is the greatest cyclist of all time who just set did the greatest cycling performance of ALL TIME. Making Lances all time best look like child’s numbers.
To say Jonas is not at his best is just wrong. His performance and numbers are all time. Maybe he’s fitter without to crash… maybe not. Pogacar has improved which is making the difference.
IMO Pogacar is untouchable this year even with Jonas perfect prep. Y’all just salty old men.
lol they’re “salty” but you’re the one throwing a tantrum in the comments. Every accusation a confession
@@5508Vanderdekken And you are under every comment saying anything positive about Pogacar.
@@5508Vanderdekkenand you are coping hard
And pogacar is in yellow , after he got giro in his legs, pogi just too good
Pogi is on drugs my boy
Hey George! What have you been smoking?
Need to get Wiggins on here permanently! A great combination the 3 of you.
If was 100% to 100%,Pogacar alwais win!
Its Slovenian!
They seem reluctant to give Pogacar his due!!
Maybe they know something!?!?!
He makes them look lesser riders. JV said at the end od the stage his numbers were the best he has ever done.
I think Pogacar is riding with the confidence he gained by the domination at the Giro d'Italia. Winning by 10 minutes is unheard of. I think Pogacar at 25 is maturing into his top condition, after winning riding and winning his first Tour de France at age 20.
@@user-gt1wr1vh3i "confidence" ?? Confidence does not increase power numbers by +10%. And hold it for 3-4 months.
Jealous..Jealous he can put on such a performance without "special juice".
Did Hincapie listen to Jonas post race interview? He said today was the race of his life. I think he's at 100%
Would be good to listen those interviews after the race before make those comments.
Race of his life could mean he survived a potential death blow to his tour win chances. Doesn’t absolutely mean he’s at his best.
@@buddymartin1982 he said one of his best performance.
Not sure he could beat this version of Pogacar but there’s no way his crash and lack of ideal prep hasn’t impacted Jonas somewhat. I hope both guys and Evanpol come in 100% next year. Would be awesome.
This tour is showing how valuable Sepp Kuss is. Tadej is the greatest rider of this generation and probably several before it. Tadej v Jonas mano a mano? I take Tadej every time. I'm convinced that Visma's tour success all these years is because of Sepp Kuss. Too bad they pulled that stunt on him last year at the Vuelta. His catching COVID was a blessing in disguise bc he would've never sat out the tour out of revenge, but now Jonas and Primoz see how much of a b***h karma can be.
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This is the first time Pogacar season is focused on GC. No, I do not think Jonas would have won today even if he was 100% (apparently, he's not with the second-best performance of all time). Give him some props ffs. This was the most outstanding performance ever by the numbers and every other metric.
Focused on GC? How about Strade Bianche? San Remo? LBL?
Seems if Jonas wins it will be a miracle because of his accident and everyone will be saying how amazing blah blah blah... if he loses its because of his accident blah blah blah....so once again he kinda doesn't lose.. Bit unfair on Pog. Jonas beat him last year because he had a much much stronger team around him, this year he doesn't.
Deffo Team Jonas on this podcast it seems.
For me Pog is a better rider, rides classics, monuments. Jonas generally doesn't.....
100% Pogi and 100% Vingegaard is always Pogi... vingegard would never win TDF without best team around him. Pogacar beat Jumbo Visma 2020 alone, with almost no help of team UAE.
i’m tired of the Pogi hate from George. Jonas pushed the 2nd best performance ever. stop with the nonsense that he isn’t in his top shape.
George D1 POGI HATER
Where's the momentum gone? Where's the credit, where credit's due?
Lance only alerts Mo’s address change when it switches to Jonas.
No chance for Jonas when Pog prepares for TDF like he did this year. Also this year Javier Sola became Pogacar trainer and you can see the results. Jonas in this stage had the record numbers for himself and Pog got 1min. on a stage that favours Jonas.
It was funny seeing Remco rushing to the spinning down area where Pogi is, making it not seem like he lost too many time haha
Lost me early on this one. Talking hypotheticals when one guy looks like he’s on a different planet than the other riders (including Jonas) is a wild take.
No way you could guarantee 100%Vingegard is better than 100%'Pogacar bcz Pog has improved a lot this year .......
1800 vam, 4 min better than Pantani's record on the last climb. All-time performance.
1864 on Strava. Crazy.
How is this possible?
@@Aeolos67it’s not
Doping so rampant in the tour now it’s like a comic book. Absolutely unwatchable for me.
@@swe223 See, that's what I'm saying. How can you accept this and then not accept LA?
Interresting, if Vinge would won, he is on 100%, so Pog looses anyway, BS, Hes was today on 100%, his own words. It is hard to admit that Pog is one class ahead. Question only remains: 6, 8 or 10 minutes Vinge will be behind. Giro story repeats !
Jonas said, “this was the best day in my life.”
Well we know he is wrong. He drove the greatest time trial of the last 20 years last year.
Exactly @@nikosvault
@@MeesterJif you’ve never come back from a crash you wouldn’t understand.
For Jonas to be 2nd place in this calibre of competition after what he has been through the kadt few months is phenomenal. I understand riders are used to crashing, but every single rider on this tour is a winner. To say he had a "bad" day coming in 2nd is not accurate.
It is. It was the second greatest climbing performance of all time !
Vingegård said in post race interview that this was his best climbing performance. So saying he would beat Pogcar without out the crash, I'm not so sure.
A thing to think about with that though is that if he’d had no crash he’d have been at an even higher level. It may be the best Jonas has performed up to this point, but it’s also the best Tadej has performed. Imagine if Jonas had also had an ideal season’s prep like Tadej has had. I think we’ve missed out on a truly insane battle this year because of Jonas’s injury. Tadej may still have won but it would be a lot closer.
@@ephraimluwemba1392 it would have been amazing battle for sure
Who's delusional now sir?!?
Jonas : That was my best performance of all time, Pogačar was better.
George : IF Jonas would 100% he would beat Pogačar
I think at this point the doping is too much, they either reinstate Lance as 7 time winner or they have a look at Tadej and the rest because destroying heavily doped records is impossible clean, impossible on a few, only a fully professional doping regime can give that performance or a motor in the bike but even Bjarne Riise 1996 time adjusted for an electric bike would STILL be slower than Pogacar..
Jonas said in an interview that he had one of his best days ever on a bike....pretty sure he's 100%.
I’m sure his strength is there but not his endurance.
Yes, his words "performance of his life"
"pretty sure he's 100%." pretty sure he is too classy to say almost dying might had have an effect.
I think he is stronger then last yr but Pogi is levels above
You guys are delusional if you think a near death crash with no time to train for this tour is vino at his best
The Tour de France with the most former winners racing in the same year was the 2013 edition. This race featured seven previous champions:
1. Alberto Contador
2. Cadel Evans
3. Bradley Wiggins
4. Andy Schleck
5. Chris Froome
6. Vincenzo Nibali
7. Alejandro Valverde
This high number of past winners made the 2013 Tour de France particularly notable for its competitive field (per GPT4o).
I hope these three rewatch this and then apologize on Tuesday’s show. They look ridiculous in not giving pogi his due. Almost sound cluelessly jealous. Just leave it a 100% jonas would make it closer, but he likely would not win the bonus at each sprint. And visma needs to find some new horses to beat pogi next year. Jonas cant do it himself he is also 2.5 years older and looks it. Much like columbian riders age early… jonas looks worn down. Kids and wife also change the equation… ask any professional athlete
In the imaginary universe where Jonas didn't crash and is now in yellow, they'd be talking about how difficult the Giro-Tour double is and wondering about Tadej's recovery from COVID.
Yeah, because that’s all valid
Pog is just better at this point. It’s a fact
100% Vingegaard beats 100% Pogačar? No way. No way. No way. C'mon guys.
Who are you trying to convince here?
@@5508Vanderdekken Hincappie and Wiggins.
@38:49 Someone should break it to Lance. The 2009 TDF had four PAST winners in the race (LA, Pereiro, Sastre, Contador). More important, a total of (8) TDF winners (past & future) were in the 2009 peloton. A total of 15 TDF titles between them. ⬇👇
Lance Armstrong 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005
Óscar Pereiro 2006
Alberto Contador 2007, 2009
Carlos Sastre 2008
Andy Schleck 2010
Cadel Evans 2011
Sir Bradley Wiggins 2012
Vincenzo Nibali 2014
In terms of talent in a single TDF peloton, no other year comes close to 2009! Clearly, the 37 year old LA chose the perfect time to start his comeback. 😆
Jonas is great but he has reached his ceiling as rider…he is no Pogacar. Pogi is just coming into his peak form at 25 years old. I think people forget that because he has had so much success at a super young age. Jonas is thin as a paper clip. His weight to power ratio can’t get any better unless he becomes invisible.😆
Jonas was also going into his best form ever before the crash. Look at his demolition expedition this spring. They could have both been in perfect form this summer
Pogacar looked very strong coming in! Body language says alot and most of the time Pogacar looked more fitter coming across the line everytime. Jonas got him on one occasion which was an epic battle. Visma didn't look like the Visma we've seen in 22 and 23. Jonas I think needs to build some explosive power so he can follow Pogacars wheel when he takes off up the mountain.
Hopefully Sir Bradley Will be back! He is a great addition.
I never thought I would say or think this in regard to Lance, but Sir Bradley is the coolest dude on this podcast...everything he says is like "if you know, you know"......unreal.
It was great having Sir Bradley on the show... still watching. 👍 The cycling technology, training styles, nutrition methods have developed over the years, so there is no doubt that these athletes are getting better and better each generation. As per Johan B, the top 3 riders of Stage 15 of this 2024 TDF were faster than Marco Pantani from 1998 and the top 10 were faster than Lance. Incredible.
Chris Horner’s Butterfly Effect is epically Awesome and doesn’t have three wankers.
Chris Horner is a snivelly b i t c h. Had to stop watching because of how annoying his voice is and he is
Add yourself for 4th!
@@peteravolio2695 it was such a good comment that I read it again and it needed a thumbs up. Add yourself to the wankers list Man.
Knuckleheads? 😂
I watch both. Chris BEffecr format can get really old at times just like this shows constant long adds get old. That being said still enjoy both lol
Pogi getting no respect from Wiggo and Hincapie is bollocks! Lance knows what greatness we are watching. Generational and possibly the greatest ever.
George says "100% Jonas and 100%Pogachar, Jonas comes out on top"...one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. How can you even seriously project that? George been banging on Tadej and pumping up Jonas every day now, and subsequently looking dumber and sillier, what gives??
Pogi 100% going for the tripple. There is no way in hell he doesn't ride the Vuelta if he keeps cruisin the tour like this after smashing the Giro.
. Let Jonas race every race that Pogie does then let's see what happens...
Pog wasnt at 100% last year. People are forgetting this fact...
Nonsens by BW and GH. Jonas bias at it’s best. Pogi is the GOAT, put some respect on Pogis Name!
I want tadej to lose specifically because it would annoy the s h i t out of people like you. Quit throwing a tantrum just because people aren’t falling head over heels for your special boy
Too much sponsor time now
While it’s true Jonas said it was one of his best days, no one knows where he would be with perfect preparation, strong enough to beat this version of Pog? I’m not sure, Pog is in beast mode atm
Dont hate. Just appreciate! 😂
George, people liked you more when you were not so cocky...proven wrong on every prediction...so now to the last resort....if jonas didnt crash 😂😂😂 youre a fool george. Tdf 2025: if jonas only didnt crash a year ago, he would 100% win 😂😂😂
How can we ever know people are 100% all the time. What does being 100% mean? This is nonsense coming from professional riders. I believe they both have a fair chance of beating each other any day without this nonsense of 100%.
Mr Armstrong, what kind of doping do you think they are using now ? Pogacar did 4 mn less than a full fueled Pantani today...
Slovenian Potato 😅
@@prekov ...with "Kranjska klobasa" (sausage) 🤣🤣🤣
Pogi was a beast earlier in the year in ways that he had never done before. Jonas wasn't tearing the world apart before his crash. Pogi's changes in training and on the bike made a big difference. 80km smashfest in Strade Bianchi and then dismantled MVdP in Liege with a 30km solo - when MVdP was on awesome form smashing everyone at Flanders and Roubaix.