Namco probably released Clive in a deliberately broken state to draw in Final Fantasy fans who just want to play the game casually and mash buttons. Then when these fans leave the game again in 2-3 months, it will be just in time for Season 2 and the new balance adjustments, at which Clive will get toned down along with all the other S tiers who needed nerfs anyway. It's basically a win-win for Namco. They get to enjoy the revenue of new casuals flocking to the game, and then they get to satisfy the old heads with a balance patch once those casuals peace out.
Love your honest assessment. Nothing irks me more than tapping into one of these big creators' videos and watching them be neutral and say things everyone knows to avoid upsetting the tekken d-riders. if you explain to someone who's never played fighting games before what + frames are, even they would tell you that the fact this character can spam a running move from halfway across the screen with homing like tracking to chip away at your health and get a free 50/50 is a joke. Safe heat engagers and all his attacks connect from full screen. I've never seen a character so easy to play in my life, and it's no coincidence it's the DLC one. He's this accessible so people don't feel like they wasted their money on a character that is difficult to play and doesn't give them free wins and so the final fantasy fans who've never played tekken can easily win with him after learning 1 combo and his 10 frame. Just stand at 4 distance and spam random attacks. It works - you get a heat engager, full combo, or 50/50. It doesn't; you can just try again. Everything is safe, and no one can punish from the distance of his attacks. It's just sad what this series has come to.
Just imagine, anna is most likely the next DLC character, she gonna be doing heat engagers into her infamous 50/50 into oki mixup and that's a wrap. Can't wait.
and on the season 2 trailer they showed azucena going into full crouch after a heat engager, so anna mixup after this will be way more cancer and easier to setup, this game is trying hard to appeal to the r*tarded fanbase of strive and sf6
Not being able to parry 70% of his moves if you're not Jin or Leroy fucking sucks. Some of his lows are weapon lows too so lo parries aren't an option either. I really wish his tracking wasn't so cracked you can't even step him you HAVE to hold a 50/50 it's so annoying.
any character with this property, should have ZERO PARRIES, simple as that, dude can parry 100% of techniques, but we can barely parry 10% of his moves? braindead game design
Another reason why i cant endorse buying this game. Been playing the old Tekkens (5:DR and 6) and honestly yeah you gotta learn and lab shit but the tracking and homing shit is reduced compared to this. Bring back non stiff Tekken and not this dont move around and space correctly bullshit. Make it make sense!
Character is top 5. I thought his weakness would be bad lows, linear moves and bad movement.Turns out, he has safe mid heat engagers, PLUS frame lows, amazing heat enhanced safe strings that do massive chip, Victor level wall carry, above average damage, best range in the game(WITH PUSHBACK) Making punishing him inconsistent. Top it off with easy to play(You’ll never drop his combos) and great movement(thought he would be a bigger body character). He is the pinnacle of DLC privilege.
Thank you for your no nonsense explanations and reviews on these characters. Playing against Clive right now my brain can’t keep up with the processing speed. I’m in the orange ranks and I just feel like I’m getting out mashed lol. Nevermind King, Hwoarang, Paul…etc
Just subscribed after hearing your response bro. Not only you my generation peer but you aren’t a bandwagon ass fanboy. Listening to you talk reminds me of when I used to play tekken 4 at green acres mall back in the day when the arcade was the competition. I’m no pro and just wanna hit tekken king with Lee. Fuck Clive 😂
lol I remember that. There was also an arcade at the south shore mall many years back with T5 and later dark resurrection. There were people always lined up to play. Also I keep sliding up and down Bushin w Lee I be mad close to rank up 😅
I dont want to sound like im complaining because im nowhere close to decent skill level but i think clives animations rly blend together when hes swinging the sword, his phoenix shift is insane mixup (hate the powercrush option) and his damage? Its not even hard to get, dudes easy to play .. idk man people downplay him hard
Honestly, I’ve just been side walking literally everything and hoping to the tekken gods he whiffs. I decided I’d rather get clipped while side walking then repeatedly eating 50/50s. It’s just not fun and at least if I do side walk, that’s the round
Hilarious video man I believe Clive's 2 option from his dash stance is hit confirmable so technically safe too When he's +6 doing his stance you can SSR all his options except that broken ass slide that on CH gives 1+2 free Oh and the two homing moves he has out of the stance also beat steppers, his stance 1+2 should be -15 or something because that's way too easy to throw out Stupid thing is shit like his wr2 that gives him +14 and then you're stuck in the mix-up Devs gotta nerf all his BS because I honestly think he's cool if they'd make him more centered around defense (his overall punishment, 3+4 low parry, CH b1, etc)
Big respect to see you’re not playing this cheap ass character. Dlc strikes again… not looking forward to watching tournaments where half of top 32 is just playing Clive.
I literally felt soulless playing this last night as things like clive is ruining the game as well as one and done. Im done playing this until season 2 where i hope they fix the bs on here
I stopped by, and gm said he was kinda mid xD, yeah, i think this guy is cheap, spam safe heat engagers, parry, and hellsweep. Another stance mix character
I was thinking the same about Clive man. You’re FORCED to stand in front of dude and just block accordingly 90% of the match. You gotta know the exact space to place yourself on the map in order to step him safely. He definitely cracked as fuck; he’s the epitome of DLC power.
The downplay ive seen with this character is crazy. "Oh hes only mid tier he isnt that good" "he doesn't have the best moves they're slow and you can step them". Nah hes DLC he's gonna be hella good
TMM gotta be paid by bamco at this point. Said this dude was broken from day 1 buts dudes downplaying😂 this dude can raw stance teleport and mix u from half screen they need to stop
@@speedtricker I love TMM, but yeah it's obviously he is also trying to sell this character too. But let's be just honest with ourselves and know Clive is a guest DLC, so he has to be good to appeal to new players coming to buy this.
after playing with a lot clive players who actually knows how to play him his 1+2 and f1+2 should be punishable the talk that it is sidesteppable is dumb
15:30 i personally love clive cuz of the game but this shit is so funny like bro we all know the game finna collect dust when you realize your 4444444 is interruptable
to all the people complaining about the game's direction now, a year into the game's release, i am not sorry for you. youve been hating on this game and subjecting yourself to it all the same. can't under why youd even follow tekken at this point. move on. wait for another game.
I can’t in good conscience call shaheen’s guard break unseeable. Not when even ppl in my ranks reacting to it They do gotta nerf that f2,3. That shit is silly I also don’t think your sub really meant to say Lee is top 3. Pretty sure he just salty. We all say crazy stuff when we’re salty lol
People in your rank are reacting to it cause u are not doing it instantly. There is no way that they are reacting to it instantly when even pros raw guess it
@ I think I agree with you here in the context when ppl get hit by the f2,3 since when it’s buffered after that string it’s a forced 50/50 since shaheen is like +20 on hit. I don’t use that tho cuz it’s kinda messed up how it is right now lol But even during heat engage i buffer it immediately & they react on time when they guess right. It’s like 40 frames of charge start up maybe that’s why?
the first thing i noticed with this character is that he doesnt follow some basic rules, like he has a df2 mid mid only -13 ws2 with kazuya stun on hit only -13, stance slide not launch punihsble, really weird design
Tekken 8 is not going to be the competitive game that all the pro top tier players want. Its unfortunate, but that's how it is. Virtua fighter is coming so, everyone who isn't happy with tekken 8 will have a platform to jump to soon enough.
They need to stop with new characters and fix whats there. I hit someone with feng f1+2 engager, and i hit the dude when he sude stepped and he qas litterally beside me. I turned tge game off on tgat one.
GM you’re right, I played a Clive and got launched once only over 3 games. But I launched him every round easy. He won one game by me just having to guess the whole time 🤦♂️ as well as that prominence nonsense
He has like 4 or 5 buttons that are STUPID stupid. F1+2, b2, power crush, wr2 on block, I think ff2 is kinda crazy too Rest of the kit seems pretty mid but he’s getting hard carried by a couple super OD moves atm.
I need to check out more streams the video was dope being able to just vibe out and lab (also appreciate the anti Clive I don’t have to buy him now 😭🫡)
Namco probably released Clive in a deliberately broken state to draw in Final Fantasy fans who just want to play the game casually and mash buttons. Then when these fans leave the game again in 2-3 months, it will be just in time for Season 2 and the new balance adjustments, at which Clive will get toned down along with all the other S tiers who needed nerfs anyway.
It's basically a win-win for Namco. They get to enjoy the revenue of new casuals flocking to the game, and then they get to satisfy the old heads with a balance patch once those casuals peace out.
Namco releasing a dlc guest thats broken is pretty much just an unblockable move
What's your rank since u are so good at the game and win ratio lol? U obviously don't know anything about the game if u think clives bad
@@Space_Pirate97Mr. Fujin has spoken
Love your honest assessment. Nothing irks me more than tapping into one of these big creators' videos and watching them be neutral and say things everyone knows to avoid upsetting the tekken d-riders.
if you explain to someone who's never played fighting games before what + frames are, even they would tell you that the fact this character can spam a running move from halfway across the screen with homing like tracking to chip away at your health and get a free 50/50 is a joke. Safe heat engagers and all his attacks connect from full screen. I've never seen a character so easy to play in my life, and it's no coincidence it's the DLC one. He's this accessible so people don't feel like they wasted their money on a character that is difficult to play and doesn't give them free wins and so the final fantasy fans who've never played tekken can easily win with him after learning 1 combo and his 10 frame. Just stand at 4 distance and spam random attacks. It works - you get a heat engager, full combo, or 50/50. It doesn't; you can just try again. Everything is safe, and no one can punish from the distance of his attacks. It's just sad what this series has come to.
Thanks for watching!!
I can't believe how difficult Clive it is to Whiff Punish.
Okay, it's Safe on Block, cool but on Whiff!? GTFO
And some people keep saying he is mid tier😂
He’s corny tier
He's top 5
They crazy
Harada's brain is mid tier.
The down playing has begun
going back to playing Tekken 5 the other day felt like a a breath of fresh air
Those games had more character identity compared to tekken 8
Amen to that
Just imagine, anna is most likely the next DLC character, she gonna be doing heat engagers into her infamous 50/50 into oki mixup and that's a wrap. Can't wait.
and on the season 2 trailer they showed azucena going into full crouch after a heat engager, so anna mixup after this will be way more cancer and easier to setup, this game is trying hard to appeal to the r*tarded fanbase of strive and sf6
Maybe they’ll nerf her 50/50 damage like they did with other casino characters i.e Eddy
Not being able to parry 70% of his moves if you're not Jin or Leroy fucking sucks. Some of his lows are weapon lows too so lo parries aren't an option either. I really wish his tracking wasn't so cracked you can't even step him you HAVE to hold a 50/50 it's so annoying.
his best lows are not weapons
Hes ham
@@Onuardoyou don’t want parry his best lows,you want to block and launch
any character with this property, should have ZERO PARRIES, simple as that, dude can parry 100% of techniques, but we can barely parry 10% of his moves? braindead game design
@@ЕлисейСуворов-т8р his stance 4 cant be launched, is better to parry this option, or his d1
Another reason why i cant endorse buying this game. Been playing the old Tekkens (5:DR and 6) and honestly yeah you gotta learn and lab shit but the tracking and homing shit is reduced compared to this. Bring back non stiff Tekken and not this dont move around and space correctly bullshit. Make it make sense!
yes this game feels so stiff compared to tekken 5.. i don't know why.. that doesn't make no sense .. how a old game feels more free than the new one
Character is top 5. I thought his weakness would be bad lows, linear moves and bad movement.Turns out, he has safe mid heat engagers, PLUS frame lows, amazing heat enhanced safe strings that do massive chip, Victor level wall carry, above average damage, best range in the game(WITH PUSHBACK) Making punishing him inconsistent.
Top it off with easy to play(You’ll never drop his combos) and great movement(thought he would be a bigger body character). He is the pinnacle of DLC privilege.
This is all facts
I honestly hope next tournament is just clive everywhere and they nerf him into the ground :D
No
Lmao like leroy japan
Thank you for your no nonsense explanations and reviews on these characters. Playing against Clive right now my brain can’t keep up with the processing speed. I’m in the orange ranks and I just feel like I’m getting out mashed lol. Nevermind King, Hwoarang, Paul…etc
Np man thanks for watching
I wish they would take all the Demon paw and demon paw-like moves out the game especially of they get a followup
Just subscribed after hearing your response bro. Not only you my generation peer but you aren’t a bandwagon ass fanboy. Listening to you talk reminds me of when I used to play tekken 4 at green acres mall back in the day when the arcade was the competition. I’m no pro and just wanna hit tekken king with Lee. Fuck Clive 😂
lol I remember that. There was also an arcade at the south shore mall many years back with T5 and later dark resurrection. There were people always lined up to play. Also I keep sliding up and down Bushin w Lee I be mad close to rank up 😅
The green acre mall lmaooooooooooooooooooooooo
23:46 😆Blind Tekken. That sums up Tekken 8 pretty well
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
Yeah some of his moves have crazy range especially that armor fist
I dont want to sound like im complaining because im nowhere close to decent skill level but i think clives animations rly blend together when hes swinging the sword, his phoenix shift is insane mixup (hate the powercrush option) and his damage? Its not even hard to get, dudes easy to play .. idk man people downplay him hard
This is why my tekken 8 is gonna stay at 154 hours played. Meanwhile my Tekken 7 is approaching 1300 hours.
wasnt the mechanic where you trad with a powercrush it becomes safe, also in tekken 7?
Yea and it dont belong in tekken
shout out to fightingGM always a pleasure bumping into you. Maybe you can train me one day to become a Tekken God rank with NIna
That would be cool
Honestly, I’ve just been side walking literally everything and hoping to the tekken gods he whiffs. I decided I’d rather get clipped while side walking then repeatedly eating 50/50s.
It’s just not fun and at least if I do side walk, that’s the round
Hilarious video man
I believe Clive's 2 option from his dash stance is hit confirmable so technically safe too
When he's +6 doing his stance you can SSR all his options except that broken ass slide that on CH gives 1+2 free
Oh and the two homing moves he has out of the stance also beat steppers, his stance 1+2 should be -15 or something because that's way too easy to throw out
Stupid thing is shit like his wr2 that gives him +14 and then you're stuck in the mix-up
Devs gotta nerf all his BS because I honestly think he's cool if they'd make him more centered around defense (his overall punishment, 3+4 low parry, CH b1, etc)
Yea but u can't after running 2 that's the point
I love Makers Mark, having it this 25th!
Big respect to see you’re not playing this cheap ass character. Dlc strikes again… not looking forward to watching tournaments where half of top 32 is just playing Clive.
I'm a lee player always bro
tekken 8 is way too aggressive,, i end up with headaches a lot of the times at the end of my play sessions
Stop playing then
That sounds more like senility than a game issue lol
Doesn't give me headaches bur T8 is by far the most stressful game in the series
I literally felt soulless playing this last night as things like clive is ruining the game as well as one and done. Im done playing this until season 2 where i hope they fix the bs on here
I thought I would play T8 more after Clive but I haven't touched ranked since he dropped, I can tell from replays that he's mad easy to play
Man, this game got too many fucking particle effects and teleporting -- I feel like I can't see whats a mid/high, etc.
I stopped by, and gm said he was kinda mid xD, yeah, i think this guy is cheap, spam safe heat engagers, parry, and hellsweep. Another stance mix character
really disappointed in this game. Will continue to play but I'm not putting a dime into this game any further.
Don't blame you
I was thinking the same about Clive man. You’re FORCED to stand in front of dude and just block accordingly 90% of the match. You gotta know the exact space to place yourself on the map in order to step him safely. He definitely cracked as fuck; he’s the epitome of DLC power.
Kinda scares me bro. That DLC characters are gonna turn into pay to wins.
The downplay ive seen with this character is crazy. "Oh hes only mid tier he isnt that good" "he doesn't have the best moves they're slow and you can step them". Nah hes DLC he's gonna be hella good
Yea they def downplaying od
TMM gotta be paid by bamco at this point. Said this dude was broken from day 1 buts dudes downplaying😂 this dude can raw stance teleport and mix u from half screen they need to stop
@@speedtricker I love TMM, but yeah it's obviously he is also trying to sell this character too. But let's be just honest with ourselves and know Clive is a guest DLC, so he has to be good to appeal to new players coming to buy this.
i ran into a 30 win clive this morning. I had to be the one to take him and i didn't even lab him yet. p.s. Keep it real GM tell em like it is
Good job bro
after playing with a lot clive players who actually knows how to play him his 1+2 and f1+2 should be punishable the talk that it is sidesteppable is dumb
Those moves are madd good
15:30 i personally love clive cuz of the game but this shit is so funny like bro we all know the game finna collect dust when you realize your 4444444 is interruptable
to all the people complaining about the game's direction now, a year into the game's release, i am not sorry for you. youve been hating on this game and subjecting yourself to it all the same. can't under why youd even follow tekken at this point. move on. wait for another game.
Audio cuts out for about 1 min around the 22:00 min mark, great vid otherwise
Yea cause i got a copyright strike for the music part of the clive level so I had to take it out
Love the way you think about the game ,every dude on Twitch oh look my new main 😂😂 Clive cheese mfkr .
What are your thoughts on Leo? It's hard to find good streamers that share any opinion on her other than she's rare to come across.
Character is underwhelming 😂 Leo free rank keep it a buck
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Leo sucks
Watch ayorichie if u want good leo content
The fact that his ws launcher is only -14 is insane to me
Word thats joint crazy
Jin’s is -12 and have 14f startup😌
Most characters ws launchers are less than -14 so idk why that’s crazy
@@WeMissDimebagRight LOL like his ws2 ain't that serious.
@@ЕлисейСуворов-т8р I hate it here LOL
I can’t in good conscience call shaheen’s guard break unseeable. Not when even ppl in my ranks reacting to it
They do gotta nerf that f2,3. That shit is silly
I also don’t think your sub really meant to say Lee is top 3. Pretty sure he just salty. We all say crazy stuff when we’re salty lol
People in your rank are reacting to it cause u are not doing it instantly. There is no way that they are reacting to it instantly when even pros raw guess it
@ I think I agree with you here in the context when ppl get hit by the f2,3 since when it’s buffered after that string it’s a forced 50/50 since shaheen is like +20 on hit. I don’t use that tho cuz it’s kinda messed up how it is right now lol
But even during heat engage i buffer it immediately & they react on time when they guess right. It’s like 40 frames of charge start up maybe that’s why?
15:10 Took a whole new character to drop for people to find their “main”
this is just pure salt, dragunov yoshi and jin still exist.
They not better then Clive smh
I hate this game
Honestly, if u watched the very first tekken 8 announcement trailer and expected anything else from it ,I don’t know what to tell you
@@finnmarr-heenan2397 big facts, you could tell from the first trailer this game was going down a dirt road. 😂
@@finnmarr-heenan2397facts bro, knew it was BS when Nina pulled out the guns. All I could do is smh
30:30 this whole rant got me weak
Clive gotta get the Azu treatment in the next month lmao
Don't think so. They take mad long to nerf a character like this.
I want season 2 already
the first thing i noticed with this character is that he doesnt follow some basic rules, like he has a df2 mid mid only -13 ws2 with kazuya stun on hit only -13, stance slide not launch punihsble, really weird design
Clive needs to be nerfed and they need to start listening to the community
Hes prolly get nerfed next patch
Dude, take a vitamin tonite after a big dinner, and drink extra water.
This was days ago I'm good now 😆
@ 👍
I'm sure he knows how to deal with a hangover, man. Relax.
Tekken 8 is not going to be the competitive game that all the pro top tier players want. Its unfortunate, but that's how it is. Virtua fighter is coming so, everyone who isn't happy with tekken 8 will have a platform to jump to soon enough.
Haha you have no idea how much people will not like VF
@@GrownManPatfr people have no idea what vf is
@@GrownManPatpeople like the idea of VF, they don’t actually like playing ut
Lots of bum Clives nowadays
Too many
Clive is stinking up this game
Heat also
@@finnmarr-heenan2397nah Heat is manageable, after they toned it down…. Clive could be manageable when they tone him down
Y'know what harada...don't put any more characters in the mfer if you can't balance them lol
Can’t stand that mf Paul with a passion😂
He was madd annoying bro
Exactly why i stopped playin this garbage
Clive is cheese and annoying asf ,i don't like the way Tekken 8 as come 🤮
They need to stop with new characters and fix whats there. I hit someone with feng f1+2 engager, and i hit the dude when he sude stepped and he qas litterally beside me. I turned tge game off on tgat one.
GM you’re right, I played a Clive and got launched once only over 3 games. But I launched him every round easy. He won one game by me just having to guess the whole time 🤦♂️ as well as that prominence nonsense
Word joint is straight a 5050 guess the whole game it's crazy
He has like 4 or 5 buttons that are STUPID stupid.
F1+2, b2, power crush, wr2 on block, I think ff2 is kinda crazy too
Rest of the kit seems pretty mid but he’s getting hard carried by a couple super OD moves atm.
Introducing a character this OP with dated mobility and defensive tools lol 😂 Maula Ken 8
I need to check out more streams the video was dope being able to just vibe out and lab (also appreciate the anti Clive I don’t have to buy him now 😭🫡)
Sometimes I dual stream but my twitch stream is www.twitch.tv/fightinggm_tk