you have made me remembered when i was young. i used to delv. newspapers to Stoeger. Stoeger also made guns in another plant in NEW JERSEY. aah the good old days in N.J. now a non-free state. sad :(
@@jdhreiss , can't beat them slugs .. I bought a house in NC and can now buy ammo in gas stations and hunt with an AR or what ever I want with a can .. be well ..
Sir, what a great little film thanks. I used to fire these years ago in th uk, but i must confess i learned more from your short film than from anyone else . thanks again.
I believe you should revisit your idea that rifling on the slug is just to allow it to get squashed through a choke. Taofledermaus, is a reputable channel on UA-cam where the showed clearly in super slow motion how the rifled slug spins while exiting a smooth bore shotgun barrel. They concluded that the spin isn’t nearly as great as what a rifled barrel would give, but did contribute the the slug’s stability at longer ranges and its effects were definitely not negligible, it is explained very carefully there, I suggest you go see the video for yourself.
Very interesting as I used brenneke rounds in Poland hunting wild boar in the 70's. The rounds I used had a nylon seat/ tail which upon recovery ( from a wild boar ) showed considerable compression. We had to stalk them down wind at night as they foraged in wheat fields so 25 meters max and with a 3 cell torch taped on a side by side. All heart thumpingly good fun for a 15 year old!
Pretty cool. Thanks for the vid. The wood screw is an interesting touch that I'm sure is not included on the new ones. Most of the new style ones have a plastic wad, but I do think they sell a "classic" version which used the fiber wads rather tan a snap-in plastic tailwad. I think you are right about them not being available as a component in the USA, but I wouldn't be surprised if you could get some breneke slugs in Europe.
Got them at Cabela's. $12.99 for a box of 5 plus shipping. Bought 5 boxes but I really don't expect to be doing any plinking with them. The ballistics are very impressive with the 3" mag. 600 grn slug. MV is 1502 fps. Don't know why I bought them, probably just because I wanted some BA slugs for whatever comes around. Significantly more power than your everyday slug!
well I'm a few Years Late to the Party! But I Just Wanted to Say Thanks For Posting & What a Wonderful Video!.. I Hope You Are Doing Well! & Have A Great Day!.
I really like brennek slugs they are much more accurate from what I have experienced much better than foster slugs and they have some cool history in regards to the Berlin wall no joke. I wish I had a link but the story as to why they where on the side they were. Thanks for the video.
I think they would be more popular except for the rather high price compared to the common Foster type slug. They certainly out penetrate the Foster slug and are favored by many for bears.
Yeah they are a bit more expensive but I can't put a price on actually hitting your target. Plus the SF slugs and black magic are spectacular if you can find them.
Absolutely! But I heard that many modern double-barrelled shotguns generally have certain shortcomings with slugs regarding accuracy, being designed mostly for shot-loads. Should be different with modern pump-action or semi-auto shotguns, being kinda multi-purpose weapons.
I know this is a really old video but I just came across it. I found several boxes of loaded cartridges with these in them. New from the factory they came with a roll crimp from Germany
I like them, but few places carry them, though check out gander mountain near where you live we got tones of them at the one around here, or buy online. They are the best slugs I have found in a mossberg 500 gun. and the lightest shooting of the one ounce slugs, plus they hold their shape the best when hitting a hard target and get real wide, but the downside is that they dont go as far due to the wider shape but they will put an animal down real fast
I always have some Brenneke-shells handy for my 16ga (2 3/4") Merkel over/under or my Simson side-by-side when we do driven-hunts over here, just in case there are some boar in the area. Both guns shoot really accurate with slugs. In fact accurate enough to kill roe-deer (1/2 the size of a good.sized white-tail) at 50-60m with the only bead as a sight.
Ive seen a few slo mo videos on the subject. It appears the slugs do come out with a mild rotation from a smooth bore. Would like to see an exhaustive video on it though.
Technically any rotation of the slug will count as spin, however I was not referring to incidental levels of spin but significant levels of spin that would induce gyroscopic stability in the projectile. Any spin that shotgun slugs attain is the result of microscopic imperfections in the barrel caused by the barrel finishing process, it is not caused by the "rifling" on the slugs. Yes, even completely smooth sided slugs will spin a little. The misconception is that the rifling works like the fetching on an arrow, however the dynamics are not the same, every slug load I am aware of is supersonic, and the "rifling" on them sits in a pocket of air behind the shock wave and essentially has no air moving over them, as a result they cannot contribute in a meaningful way to projectile rotation.
I guess testing would make sense, although it may be a bit inconvenient to use only one barrel. I think the fact that especially older shotguns hit quite well with slugs is that shotguns had often to act as multi-purpose-weapons, rifles/rifled firearms being to unaffordable or prohibited (as in the GDR or other dictatorships).
In 2012 when the video was done all these powders were available. Sadly it appears that most of them have been recently discontinued, except for Herco.
The last season I killed 12 deers with rottweil magnum brenneke and all the shots went through the body making a really big hole! The longest shot was at 120 meters and it was absolutely exact and for just a few inches the brenneke did not penetrate the neck of a deer
It was my understanding that the rifling on the slug was to cause the spin as it goes down the barrel and all the was spin was achieved as during barrel travel and no more was created by air. are you saying that mo spin is created during barrel travel
No, rifling on a shotgun slug cannot cause not cause rotation as there is no mechanical lock between the lead and the smooth barrel, the only force acting on the slug is the powder gas pushing it ahead. In a rifled barrel the bullet is physically captured by the rifling , the bullet is locked into the groves and the spiral of the lands and grooves converts the forward motion into rotation. Any spin of a "rifled" slug coming out of a smooth bore is caused by honing marks in the bore and is just as likely to spin the slug in a direction opposite to the groves on the slug.
Hay buddy. How does the ribs make it safe for shooting threw a chock? See I was looking for help/info... I'm trying to find info on shooting rifled slugs out my 12 ga. 28" vented barrel with a mod chock. Any advice???
What is the diameter and thickness of the wading compared to the slug itself ? and is the slug .731 thousands at the base of the slug as well ? please and ty. I need to know for casting reasons
Hi, i have some question about european slug's weight (or every slug that has a plastic tail lock (wad) stabilizer attached to the projectile) when it's say 1oz. (28.3gr) , 1 1/8oz. (32gr) etc, are these weight including a plastic tail lock + lead "OR" only lead's weight??? Thank you sir. P.S >>> sorry for my english
PEET SAYUMPOO Any part attached to the slug should be counted towards the slugs weight. The weights of slugs are, however, a bit approximate. Rarely will a 1 oz slug weigh exactly 473.5 grains, and the difference in weight can be more than the attached tail/wad.
@314299 the rtv ive not wore one out yet for my lures that have lead in the core i just wish i cloud find some of there loaded ammo here thay would be great for moose
Yes, they do rotate a little, but they dont rotate fast enough to give sufficient gyroscopic rotation to ensure stability and accuracy. The rotation these slugs attain is not as a result of the ridges or "rifling" on the surface of the slug - even smooth "unrifled" slugs will rotate when fired from a smooth barrel. Rotation of this sort of projectile is caused by fine rotary honing marks on the surface of the barrel. Perhaps those smooth sided slugs "self identify as rifled"?
That would be illegal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol, No mostly targets at the range where the range officer would allow.they make bloody big holes in their targets you see! The ones we loaded were held in with melted wax as i remember.
why not roll crimp? all factory (I know of ) slugs are roll crimped. Brenneke and foster. I know it's manufacturer's. instruction but it makes no.sense
Oh I did not know you were from the north, but all in all try the internet, its your best bet, like ammo to go, or email the brenneke usa website for distributers of the ammo I did and found several. But yea the max penetration will go through lots of stuff, even body armor, but then again at 25 yards really any hardcast slug from dangerous game will do the same thing, or even a rifle round that can take down a thick skin animal like cape buffalo or bear, I know in canada they have bear.
you have made me remembered when i was young. i used to delv. newspapers to Stoeger. Stoeger also made guns in another plant in NEW JERSEY. aah the good old days in N.J. now a non-free state. sad :(
I hunted NJ deer since I was legal - 56 yrs ago. Brenneke's were the best and still are!
@@jdhreiss , can't beat them slugs .. I bought a house in NC and can now buy ammo in gas stations and hunt with an AR or what ever I want with a can .. be well ..
Sir, what a great little film thanks. I used to fire these years ago in th uk, but i must confess i learned more from your short film than from anyone else . thanks again.
The brenneke,slugs are by far the est on the market for accuracy and deep penatrionn made the same way today love this slug
They certainly have a good reputation.
I think brenneke slugs are the best
I believe you should revisit your idea that rifling on the slug is just to allow it to get squashed through a choke. Taofledermaus, is a reputable channel on UA-cam where the showed clearly in super slow motion how the rifled slug spins while exiting a smooth bore shotgun barrel.
They concluded that the spin isn’t nearly as great as what a rifled barrel would give, but did contribute the the slug’s stability at longer ranges and its effects were definitely not negligible, it is explained very carefully there, I suggest you go see the video for yourself.
Very interesting as I used brenneke rounds in Poland hunting wild boar in the 70's.
The rounds I used had a nylon seat/ tail which upon recovery ( from a wild boar ) showed considerable compression.
We had to stalk them down wind at night as they foraged in wheat fields so 25 meters max and with a 3 cell torch taped on a side by side.
All heart thumpingly good fun for a 15 year old!
Pretty cool. Thanks for the vid.
The wood screw is an interesting touch that I'm sure is not included on the new ones. Most of the new style ones have a plastic wad, but I do think they sell a "classic" version which used the fiber wads rather tan a snap-in plastic tailwad. I think you are right about them not being available as a component in the USA, but I wouldn't be surprised if you could get some breneke slugs in Europe.
hey thanks for sharing this, love the old reloading stuff.
Got them at Cabela's. $12.99 for a box of 5 plus shipping. Bought 5 boxes but I really don't expect to be doing any plinking with them. The ballistics are very impressive with the 3" mag. 600 grn slug. MV is 1502 fps.
Don't know why I bought them, probably just because I wanted some BA slugs for whatever comes around. Significantly more power than your everyday slug!
Trade you slugs for a haircut! Sweet looking round, I never knew that the ribs didn't cause spinning. I guess you learn something everyday!
well I'm a few Years Late to the Party! But I Just Wanted to Say Thanks For Posting & What a Wonderful Video!.. I Hope You Are Doing Well! & Have A Great Day!.
Thanks, glad to hear this video is still getting some views even after four years.
I really like brennek slugs they are much more accurate from what I have experienced much better than foster slugs and they have some cool history in regards to the Berlin wall no joke. I wish I had a link but the story as to why they where on the side they were. Thanks for the video.
I think they would be more popular except for the rather high price compared to the common Foster type slug. They certainly out penetrate the Foster slug and are favored by many for bears.
Yeah they are a bit more expensive but I can't put a price on actually hitting your target. Plus the SF slugs and black magic are spectacular if you can find them.
you know how I love slugs!!!!!
Absolutely! But I heard that many modern double-barrelled shotguns generally have certain shortcomings with slugs regarding accuracy, being designed mostly for shot-loads. Should be different with modern pump-action or semi-auto shotguns, being kinda multi-purpose weapons.
yes i used to fire quite a few...but not any for about three years now haha! i found them v ery accurate and devastating.....
I know this is a really old video but I just came across it. I found several boxes of loaded cartridges with these in them. New from the factory they came with a roll crimp from Germany
Cool, I expect they would work just as well as new stuff.
That hard wad is a lot bigger than .731", and must seal the bore fairly well. Nice video.
Yes, it's a good deal bigger than the slug, and the bore.
Brenneke slugs! Expensive but worth the money. I have some of the Black Magic Magnum 3". Phew!!
Great information here. Much appreciate it.
Glad you liked it, thanks for the comment.
I like them, but few places carry them, though check out gander mountain near where you live we got tones of them at the one around here, or buy online.
They are the best slugs I have found in a mossberg 500 gun. and the lightest shooting of the one ounce slugs, plus they hold their shape the best when hitting a hard target and get real wide, but the downside is that they dont go as far due to the wider shape but they will put an animal down real fast
I always have some Brenneke-shells handy for my 16ga (2 3/4") Merkel over/under or my Simson side-by-side when we do driven-hunts over here, just in case there are some boar in the area. Both guns shoot really accurate with slugs. In fact accurate enough to kill roe-deer (1/2 the size of a good.sized white-tail) at 50-60m with the only bead as a sight.
Ive seen a few slo mo videos on the subject. It appears the slugs do come out with a mild rotation from a smooth bore. Would like to see an exhaustive video on it though.
Technically any rotation of the slug will count as spin, however I was not referring to incidental levels of spin but significant levels of spin that would induce gyroscopic stability in the projectile. Any spin that shotgun slugs attain is the result of microscopic imperfections in the barrel caused by the barrel finishing process, it is not caused by the "rifling" on the slugs. Yes, even completely smooth sided slugs will spin a little. The misconception is that the rifling works like the fetching on an arrow, however the dynamics are not the same, every slug load I am aware of is supersonic, and the "rifling" on them sits in a pocket of air behind the shock wave and essentially has no air moving over them, as a result they cannot contribute in a meaningful way to projectile rotation.
I guess testing would make sense, although it may be a bit inconvenient to use only one barrel.
I think the fact that especially older shotguns hit quite well with slugs is that shotguns had often to act as multi-purpose-weapons, rifles/rifled firearms being to unaffordable or prohibited (as in the GDR or other dictatorships).
Just bought a box of these in 20 ga from ebay. Funny, because a lot of the powders mentioned don't exist now.
In 2012 when the video was done all these powders were available. Sadly it appears that most of them have been recently discontinued, except for Herco.
Yeah, Herco is still around. I bought 9 lbs of 4756 old stock last summer at my gun range.
Interesting,thanks for the video keep shootin
hey.... loved the vid as usual...just save 'em for the just in case times....
Nice video i just picked up some green lightning slugs, thanks for the info
Best slug ever made and so of course they dont offer them anymore,hell if its good lets discontinue it!
The last season I killed 12 deers with rottweil magnum brenneke and all the shots went through the body making a really big hole! The longest shot was at 120 meters and it was absolutely exact and for just a few inches the brenneke did not penetrate the neck of a deer
It was my understanding that the rifling on the slug was to cause the spin as it goes down the barrel and all the was spin was achieved as during barrel travel and no more was created by air. are you saying that mo spin is created during barrel travel
No, rifling on a shotgun slug cannot cause not cause rotation as there is no mechanical lock between the lead and the smooth barrel, the only force acting on the slug is the powder gas pushing it ahead. In a rifled barrel the bullet is physically captured by the rifling , the bullet is locked into the groves and the spiral of the lands and grooves converts the forward motion into rotation. Any spin of a "rifled" slug coming out of a smooth bore is caused by honing marks in the bore and is just as likely to spin the slug in a direction opposite to the groves on the slug.
Nice vid buddy!
thanks again
a slug like that wouldn't over-penetrate, would it?
All of these brenneke slugs are about 30 years old
Hay buddy. How does the ribs make it safe for shooting threw a chock? See I was looking for help/info... I'm trying to find info on shooting rifled slugs out my 12 ga. 28" vented barrel with a mod chock. Any advice???
man id love to find one to copy them
What is the diameter and thickness of the wading compared to the slug itself ? and is the slug .731 thousands at the base of the slug as well ? please and ty. I need to know for casting reasons
Hi, i have some question about european slug's weight (or every slug that has a plastic tail lock (wad) stabilizer attached to the projectile)
when it's say 1oz. (28.3gr) , 1 1/8oz. (32gr) etc, are these weight including a plastic tail lock + lead "OR" only lead's weight???
Thank you sir.
P.S >>> sorry for my english
PEET SAYUMPOO Any part attached to the slug should be counted towards the slugs weight. The weights of slugs are, however, a bit approximate. Rarely will a 1 oz slug weigh exactly 473.5 grains, and the difference in weight can be more than the attached tail/wad.
314299 Shooting Channel Your answer helps a lot, Thank you for your answer, sir
sorry for my english again, I'm from Thailand.
PEET SAYUMPOO You are welcome.
Royal Star slugs look just like those slugs sold for $3.99 for 5 slugs.
Do you do the voice for Ray Romano?
All I have is a full choke 12 gauge would these be fine?
@314299 the rtv ive not wore one out yet for my lures that have lead in the core
i just wish i cloud find some of there loaded ammo here thay would be great for moose
They spin. They're on you tube.
Yes, they do rotate a little, but they dont rotate fast enough to give sufficient gyroscopic rotation to ensure stability and accuracy. The rotation these slugs attain is not as a result of the ridges or "rifling" on the surface of the slug - even smooth "unrifled" slugs will rotate when fired from a smooth barrel. Rotation of this sort of projectile is caused by fine rotary honing marks on the surface of the barrel. Perhaps those smooth sided slugs "self identify as rifled"?
@314299 yes ive ued it to make sinker molds before i but i could use some of my old tackle making gear to make up a mold out of some RTV silicone
Cool thanks..
I cant find these or order these online where I`m located where is everyone buying brenneke slugs from?
Chris potts.i think they are not selling them anymore beacuse they are quite old
there is newer versions of them my local gun stores don't carry them, cheaperthandirt.com wont ship them to me
Ok
Is 12/70????
These can be loaded in either 2-3/4" of 3" hulls.
That would be illegal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol, No mostly targets at the range where the range officer would allow.they make bloody big holes in their targets you see! The ones
we loaded were held in with melted wax as i remember.
$8 for a box of five in Oklahoma
no no i don't have slugs but my name is Brenneke so i thougt it was funny to react on this video (srry for bad english I am dutch)
why not roll crimp? all factory (I know of ) slugs are roll crimped. Brenneke and foster. I know it's manufacturer's. instruction but it makes no.sense
you got a good point there. But no.
Oh I did not know you were from the north, but all in all try the internet, its your best bet, like ammo to go, or email the brenneke usa website for distributers of the ammo I did and found several. But yea the max penetration will go through lots of stuff, even body armor, but then again at 25 yards really any hardcast slug from dangerous game will do the same thing, or even a rifle round that can take down a thick skin animal like cape buffalo or bear, I know in canada they have bear.
@314299 I know =)
LOL somone in the factory must have threaded the srews in the slugs, because its flathead,
N1
@314299 JB weld mold :P
And there's plenty of marketing bullshit these days. Lol
My NAME is Brenneke :-|
Get aa-12 and make a video =P
I hate my name srsly i am dutch in Holland they have the weirdest names but anyways i have a cute video on my channel check it out :)