Slavoj Zizek: God in Pain: Inversions of Apocalypse conversation with Jack Miller
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- Опубліковано 10 жов 2024
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Slavoj Zizek, renowned Slovenian critical theorist, dissects and reconstructs three major faith-based systems of belief in the world today, showing how each faith understands humanity and divinity-and how the differences between the faiths may be far stranger than they at first seem.
Jack Miles is Senior Fellow for Religious Affairs with the Pacific Council on International Policy and Distinguished Professor of English and Religious Studies, University of California, Irvine. A MacArthur Fellow (2003-2007), Miles won the Pulitzer Prize in 1996 for God: A Biography, which has since been translated into sixteen languages. He is currently general editor of the forthcoming Norton Anthology of World Religions.
Žižek was my fellow at Ljubljana University in the 70ties. I remeber that he was so "crazy" intelligent at that time. At the first Lacan's session I escaped because was too uncomprehensible that kind of mind dialectic. Now am sorry for that. He never smoked or even on drugs, his mind is so full of informations that his "tics" are simply a moderating gesture of his thoughts!
I saw Slavoj Zizek at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
@@boskopils4153 bruh i dont think he gets it
@@boskopils4153 I don't believe any of this
@@nukepizzaa i think its a copypasta
@@boskopils4153 i dunno why i have to read the whole thing everytime i come across this, but its so funny ahhahah
I like how it says "conversation" in the title
Jack Miles is one of the few people that I have actually seen have more of a conversation with Zizek than most other people - and while he lets Zizek talk, he actually prompts Zizek to talk, and elaborates greatly. Good man :)
Are we Watching Zizek so we dont need to think for ourselfs....? Is it like Friends where we watch people laugh and feel relived yourselfs, are we not pleases that there are people who think about those kinda things and we are able to watch them
Fuck
Shit mate
Hey man
zizek does that when he reads jaques lacan ...
I have an addiction
starts at 3:20
He is entertaining, and am drawn to genuinely listen. My mind feels alive and connected to many dimensions within conversation.
I am in man love with this man.
Sooooo.... gay? Men can love men in romantic platonic etc ways.
It took 6 year's but, we got him
@@lifepuddle3036 lol
love how the guy with the first question decides to just casually mention Finnegan’s Wake and Menippean satire to show everyone he’s very a smart and Intellectual™️
You think that Finnegan's wake is "intellectual", doesn't every high schooler read it?
@@sandworm9528er…no?
@@HkFinn83 lol, America I guess
What an amazing and delightful mix of philosopher and comedian is Zizek.
17:02: Zizek with a southern US accent
Hahahahahahahahahaha right on :)
That is the one of the best comments I ever read , why it has only 19 likes ?
Hahahahahahahahaha.... I just shit myself... Good thing I was sitting on the toilet...
That's exactly what I thought when I heard that bit.
You're spot on.
again at 1:01:22
"you are not a complete idiot." I love you Zizek.
1:00:00
"I'm a jesuit volunteer"
"JAMES BOND?"
LOL
axaxaaxaaxaxax
The fact that this video contains the most moving exegesis of Christianity I’ve read outside of Augustine, an anecdote about cybermice and also this exchange is why I stan Zizek.
So funny
The leader of Bosnian Serbs, Radovan Karadzic, wasn’t predominantly a poet, but a clinical psychiatrist. After earning his M.D. in Bosnia, he took a postgraduate course in clinical psychiatry at Columbia University in NY. Upon returning to Bosnia, he opened his own private practice, specialising in depression and neurosis. He was also the counselling psychiatrist in three sport clubs in the 1980. He wrote and published children’s books and poems, but in his native country, he was foremost known as a psychiatrist.
Zizek is on top form here! absolutely blazing!
What if laughter in this video is canned?
What if the laughter that comes from cans were just videos??? 😬
I like how he gestured to the audience to complete the joke by providing canned laughter, but nobody did.
42:35 "every ideology to be operative, shouldnt go to the end, it has to leave its true implications a little bit in shadow"
you could exchange the word ideology for neurosis here and it still makes sense.
SPARTANLIFECOACH considering his psychoanalytic background and the tension between conscious and unconscious elements of ideology in his work, I'd say that's a fair comparison.
SPARTANLIFECOACH but isn't it true that, my godt, ideology today IS just a neurosis. even fukuyama is not a fukuyamaist how should i put it
mlonyenioner brilliant
my got!
nice find, thank you for sharing. I am concerned about my parents and the new "wave" of christian movements that is heading (in my opinion) very far from the basic teaching of Christ...leading a new "prophetic movement" that is really dangereous toward the harsh judgement of "God." The final days and so forth. I would even go so far as to say, pretty narcissistic... masked as "false humility." But who am I to judge right? I just had to walk away years ago when I saw the "reality" and refused to make ammends with my own parents in denial (which was submitting to authority that was unaccountable) Talk about. Being humble, loving and non-judgmental. Silence of lambs...
Terrific introduction, by the way.
Last question was the most pertinent. SZ touching on the idea that the man who blows himself up does so as an act to convince himself that he believes. This is in contrast to Paul&Christ: JC telling believers "not to worry", and Paul said: "be anxious for nothing". Fear & worry serve as inactions, where relaxing into their words' truth reveal the truest acts of faith. Mary and Martha Lk10:38-42, for instance, tells the same story. Christian belief then:when one no longer acts to prove to self.
What is essentially Rene Girard's explanation of the crucifixion is something that I think Zizek should be made aware of, if he hasn't already encountered it. I recommend anyone interested in Zizek to read Girard. I would say don't read Girard without reading Hegel, but you shouldn't be reading Zizek without reading Hegel, either.
He does know about Girard. In his talk with Jean-Pierre Dupuy (day two, i.e. post-lecture) they talk out Girard's Christianity. Apparently they both agree but Girard, but Girard changed his mind later - so Girard is the only one of the three who doesn't believe Girard.
Unless reading Zizek leads you to reading Hegel.
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Wait....what changed Girard's mind?
@@Synodalian No idea. They didn't say anything besides that.
@@ethanthomas7372 Girard (who was a personal friend) didn’t “change his mind.” I surmise that they were expecting that Girard’s apparently paratheistic remapping of Christian theology should have resulted in his own atheism (as do most people when they first encounter his thought; as did I). It did not, because he viewed it as a genuine decoding, without presuming that a teleological examination is somehow equivalent to an alternative epistemology. Egotistical, perhaps, but it confirmed for him the social necessity of religion and the social advantage of functioning Christianity specifically. Zizek’s interesting move here is to locate that functional valence between persons rather than within.
"You know" My favorite thing to hear over and over in Zizek's lectures. And of course "I am about to finish. Don't worry". Every time.
Now that's entertainment.
Your comment makes me very happy! Of course in a pseudo-intellectual; "I-also-get-it!" kind of sense but this is only a break in the struggle. Keep well!
I love it when Miles is trying to be funny that Zizek asks him: "What is the connection between not trusting Mexicans and trusting you?"
10 years late but can we just talk about how he absolutely ruined the joke by answering? 😂
@@upalgangopadhyay7117Agreed.
Zizek is the one who knocks
"Thank you. I hope i was not too crazy..."
There's an ad before this video; I love it!
Does anyone know what the musical piece in the beginning is? Is it a fragment of some musical piece or just an intro for the show?
This guy throws ideas out so fast it's for me like running on a treadmill when I am out of condition.
The most exhausting is his conversation with Cornel West. Not only have they read everything, they can quote from them like rapid fire tennis balls flying out of one of those machines. It's absolutely terrifying. I love how Zizek prefers the minimalistic use of language in Beckett over the blah, blah, blah of Joyce, but has to make people not worry that he's Castro and will talk for 7 hours, which he could do without a 2nd thought. I absolutely love his fascination and openness to every aspect of culture and his liberating humour. He is pure joy.
zizek has that awesome element of insane genius, I'm just in a trance when I watch and listen to him...
I love hearing what Zizek has to say about Hitchens. Slavoj, I think, is much more human than Hitch, especially considering Hitch was fully endeared to human decency, whereas Slavoj seems to realize that religion is more of a social order than a gimmick for power.
Você escreveu isso há 12 anos... Pergunto-me pois agora se de lá para ca o que lhe parecia ser a religião -- mais uma expressão social do que um meio para o poder-- não mudou?
Os atuais populismos invadiram a politica anti-democratica...
I want 7 hours!
"I am a Jesuit volunteer."
Zizek: "Jamesss Bond?"
he really is - and I agree with him totally: they might be "right", but by god they are obnoxious about it
The Lewis Black of Philosophers. Genius.
at 60:20 did he say James Bond? "...Jesuit..." "James Bond!?!?" "...Jesuit..."
34:23 *Zizek’s Christian Atheism* “For me the message of Christianity is precisely the opposite of this need for transcendence.”
Acho que aqui está o ponto principal do pensamento "religioso" de Zizek: o ateísmo cristão!
Mas como ele diz e a opinião ou "crenca" dele. No que, aliás, repete seu filósofo Hegel que, aos 24 anos de idade, escreveu uma biografia de um Cristo kantiano, ou seja, escomaido de todos os aspectos irracionais conforme o Ilumunismo de sua juventude...
@@juvenalhahne7750 yes, do you know of Peter Rollins and his Church of Contradiction?
thanks for the upload :)
very classy ending
The "perverse God" is the God of Calvinism. Always the elephant in the room, Calvin is firmly behind the binary dualism of Decartes and Rousseau.
No, Calvin give stuff like the Man Devil not Rousseau.. Rousseau is all about virtue and happyness, Man Devil is all about vice = virtue
The image is both horrifying and extremely humorous in a reality enhancing way *sniffle* *sniffle*
What's the music at the beginning (jazz piano)? Sounds cool....
I would really love to hear Zizek's thoughts on Bataille.
The world is not about to begin, the world is _about_ to continue, actually it already is
the point about hyper-agreement with ideology is so true and so funny.
going up-in-smoke with this Indica strain I picked up from the Dispensary this week, just bored, reading Alain Badiou; wrapping the night studying philosophy @Zizek Studies...
16:25 What dies on the cross?
18:20 Chesterton's reading of 'Eli eli lama sabachthani?'
Excellent, especially after 1:00...great insights, very linkable to buddhism and vedanta
^ >> The first duty of philosophy is making You understand what deep shit You're in."
FYI: Hitchens and Zizek knew each other and were on friendly terms
You have to be polite with those who are dead inside.
well said, sir. tipping my hat towards you.
Zizek!! What a genius..
a very good introduction. Congratulations to the panel leader!
He actually makes a point from "thank you for smoking", twenty minutes in.
The jazzy opening tune is great, too!!! Any body knows the name?
yes you are spot on about that
That is a good point.
Haha I hold the same position when it comes to "a communist with reservations."
And thank you. Stirner is the shit, yo.
Can anyone please give me a link to the original text of the story he tells at 48:02
very interesting initial music. Does anyone know who is playing ?
Starting very nice and then again: Repetition Repetition Repetition... I guess he needs to, it's okay, but I think I'm done now!
Thank You SO much Slavoj!
Before you die:
Plz give as a whole theoretical Book which is it's own subject. Like the Phenomenology of spirit by Hegel, the Critique of pure Reason by Kant and the World as Will and Representation by Schopenhauer!
PLZ! Seriously! This one I would read!!!
Would be interesting to hear Zizek discuss Thomas Muntzer and the Anabaptists, he briefly mentions Muntzer in his introduction to "Trotsky: Terrorism & Communism."
I read somewhere that he calls them "tics". But yeah, I think it has to do with nervousness.
It's called subversive thought, what's all the fuss about? It's fun.
great stuff
Slavoj seems to miss the idea that a God's capability might only be achieved through specific paths. The idea is that God might be all-powerful, but to get what they want they have to follow recipes. Also, please fix the title, I believe you meant to type: "Jack Miles" not "Jack Miller"
I had that thought too!
56:15 disappointment in jurgen habermas; "it's dangerous to do it if we follow that path...so let's not do it...Some things be better left unknown."
Dawkins rests on the same absolutist premise as religious fundamentalists. Both camps think they know the truth. Zizek, like most thoughtful persons, doesn't claim to know the truth. He is therefore a rival to Dawkins in my opinion.
What do you mean by radical atheism in your reply? and where is it presented?
At 48:00, the death penalty story is very similar to how Jesus convinces people not to stone an adulterous woman. "Let he who is without sin cast the fist stone". Jesus never said that the death penalty was wrong.
summary:"Beliefs don’t have do be first person. You have a belief which is nobody’s belief. The children pretend to believe in Santa Clause for their parents… We need to believe that someone believes. The truly Christian gesture is to abandon this objectified belief. If in Life is Beautiful it would have turned out that the boy was aware of how the camp was not a game, this would be such a gesture: that the boy’s show of belief is there to protect his father from breakdown"
The only thing I disagree with is, that these phenomenon are new. I think it's always been this way but, we were at least connected to the cause and effect of our actions, no more.
Does anyone know if he has written more on this cascade from poetry to philosophy, … as a justification for bad things and so on?
2)
He holds that the Christian dialectic (as he describes it) is the path to that structural shift.
I hesitate to use this example, but there is a very obvious difference between the atheism of Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens and the atheism of Sartre and Camus. In the former, there is absolutely no radical change of subjectivity.
Yeah, if you go to some of his other talks on the subject, it might be clearer. Just google it or, if you like philosophy, check out the documentary "Examined Life." I think he talks about it in there....could be wrong, though. He is definitely in it, though.
CLOSE... it's Max Stirner.
40:30 what is this?
I love Zizek AND Hitchens!
1:16:16 "Thanks very much. I hope I was not too crazy." Classic.
Can you put subtitles in spanish? Please! Thank you
Zizek calls himself a charlatan and Zizek is a superb performer and enetertainer so long as people do not take him seriously.
Brilliant debate. The only thing I can confirm is Man made God.
The rest is brilliant insight into how we think
Wow, a fellow Steinman! 😃
I think he's actually doing it right.
rihanna @ 1:07:20?
I exploded with laughter.
This doesn't necessarily mean that You aren't a troll (I give you a pass, myself) but I think most viewers have to agree with your point about Zizek indeed looking the part of TROLL. He has that Under The Bridge look, all right.
time?
Slavoj is exactly right about the New Atheism.
why? do u have some prof?
Jung contended with this idea of God too- and I agree with Zizek and Jung- you have to contend with the God of the Book of Job and the response that he gives God.
Underneath the presentation which he likes to deploy (he recognises his clownishness & frivolousness, but he has never claimed to be a charlatan, liar or conman), is a guy that really does know his shit.
What kind of act does Zizek say it is (at 1:13:05 )? "It is much more a ( ) act."
I find it entertaining, but hard to defend when treated seriously. I have little idea of philosophy, so correct me if I miss the point completly. Zizek builds an alternative reading of the Christianity by taking arbitrary bits of the Bible. "It's not God what dies..." - well, whoever dies they return from hell two days later. It is not possible to omit this part and have viable reading. One could easily imagine a similar, "paradoxical" interpretation of any ancient text. Therefore, Dawkins would not be impressed, and a Christian would simply call it a heresy. However, it's true that there is a degree of materialism in Christianity and maybe some form of spiritualism is to be find in Dawkins etc. But when he starts explaining how Bible is really about how God does not exist, it's simply too much for my simple mind.
you're right there I believe the root in those declarations come from his psychoanalitical training,
Its not about what is "real", the point itself is as real as it can be. Its wrong question to the answer to ask if its canon or what prejudice toward the conclusion you might have.
how many times can you count him rub his nose?
+Kong zi It is rather strange and distracting.
05:10 my reading too.
I think his nose itches ♥
You don't need an argument, you just need thumbs up lol. *This doesn't make you wrong though
there's a small section on Bataille in The Parallax View saying that Bataille is the philosopher of "the passion for the Real" or something. What I don't get is why Zizek never mentions Baudrillard who is so close to Zizek own project.
Also, to everyone here, what is the point of the white haired guy making the comment about Mexicans? Was he serious or what?
Hahaha far out, this man is the world's best comic for the intellectual audience, given that their intent is to attend a comedy gala. If not, they will always likely be offended. Haha :) I want Zizek to be the officiale at my wedding ;)
Iknowrite!? Zizek is far, far funnier than almost all modern comedians .. Without even trying.
Yes: Zizek has that Under the Bridge Look. I actually admire Zizek but CC3GROUNDZERO does not understand that criticism is admiration as I am not indifferent to Zizek and I love some of Zizek's writing like his essay entitled: 'Hegel & Shitting'. Zizek is arguably one of the most important and interesting and entertaining philosophers alive today but not 'beyond' criticism'. CC3GROUNDZERO merely eulogizes and worships Zizek which Zizek would hate more than anything: Zizek thrives off criticism!