Former Scientologist Exposes Inside Secrets | Honesty Box
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- Опубліковано 8 тра 2024
- In this episode of Honesty Box, we delve into the world of Scientology with Jon Atack, a former member turned authoritarian cult expert and author. Jon provides invaluable insights into his personal experiences within Scientology, shedding light on the hypnotic techniques used, the hierarchy, leadership and origins story of the organisation. He reveals details about celebrity involvement, and explores the daunting commitment of the Sea Organisation, where members sign a billion year pledge upon joining.
Thank you to Jon for taking part. You can find out more about the work he does below:
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00:00 - 02:07 - What is a Scientologist and what do they believe?
02:07 - 02:41 - How did you join?
02:42 - 04:53 - How is Scientology structured and how do you progress through the ranks?
04:54 - 05:05 - Will you be in danger from making this video?
05:06 - 05:42 - Would you say you're an easily manipulated person?
05:43 - 06:21 - What is the Sea Org and why do you sign a billion year pledge?
06:21 - 06:40 - How many Scientologists are there?
06:40 - 07:02 - Is Scientology a cult?
07:02 - 07:52 - What is auditing?
07:52 - 08:49 - What is an e-meter?
08:50 - 10:14 - What are the OT levels?
10:15 - 10:48 - Should scientology be classed as a religion?
10:48 - 12:50 - How does Scientology handle criticism?
12:51 - 13:34 - What is the Celebrity Centre?
13:35 - 14:26 - What happens to children?
14:27 - 15:17 - What is a silent birth?
15:17 - 16:52 - Do you have to pay to be a member?
16:52 - 17:15 - What do you know about Shelley Miscavige?
17:16 - 17:42 - Is there a uniform?
17:43 - 18:34 - Can you be a christian?
18:35 - 19:30 - Do they record sessions and blackmail you?
19:31 - 21:25 - What do you know about the hole?
21:26 -22:37 - Are you ashamed of your past?
22:37 - 24:04 - How do they recruit?
22:05 - 24:24 - Do they keep people against their will?
24:25 - 25:04 Do they prey on the vulnerable?
25:06 - 25:27 - Who did you believe you were in a part life?
25:27 - 25:53 - Is there anything you miss?
25:54 - 26:30 Do Scientologists believe in the afterlife?
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“Before there was the net, and before there was safety in numbers, there was Jon Atack.”
This is a brave man. If you doubt his word, do yourself a favor and the 1987 book "Bare Faced Messiah". It's free on the web.
Everyday is a good day not to be in a cult.
Society is a cult
Hey Jon Atack, you clearly have stale ethics cycles that piled up and your overts are eating you up alive. Complete effect of you to turn against a religion because of your own out-ethics. That is YOU cutting your own throat AND YOU KNOW IT. Do your damn liability condition, handle your out-ethics and get with the effing program!! And for those hating on Scientology, you are missing out on spiritual freedom that God so graciously gave to you. But eternal life ain't for everyone I guess, so continue listening to that reactive mind of yours you call 'The Devil'. It's really YOU JUSTIFYING BAD DECISION AND EVADING RESPONSIBILITY. Ain't no devil but YOU. By God, may he show you the light and expose the TRUTH about Scientology and why he created it, maybe you'll develop gratitude to replace your ignorance and stupidity
Its a cult as every religion is a cult!
Hi Dave@@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307
I don’t know if IBLP qualifies, but words can’t express how grateful I am to have gotten out
I am both relieved and weirdly insulted that as a wheelchair user, Scientology won't ever try to recruit me! 😂
Hey Jon Atack, you clearly have stale ethics cycles that piled up and your overts are eating you up alive. Complete effect of you to turn against a religion because of your own out-ethics. That is YOU cutting your own throat AND YOU KNOW IT. Do your damn liability condition, handle your out-ethics and get with the effing program!! And for those hating on Scientology, you are missing out on spiritual freedom that God so graciously gave to you. But eternal life ain't for everyone I guess, so continue listening to that reactive mind of yours you call 'The Devil'. It's really YOU JUSTIFYING BAD DECISION AND EVADING RESPONSIBILITY. Ain't no devil but YOU. By God, may he show you the light and expose the TRUTH about Scientology and why he created it, maybe you'll develop gratitude to replace your ignorance and stupidity
@@nicolevazquez9664erm
@nicolevazquez9664 nope...their GAIN. 😂
😂😂😂😂
I’m sure that if you were super rich they would find some kind of hypocritical BS to allow you to join.
Thanks to the gentleman for speaking out.
Thanks for watching and commenting!🙂
@@jonatack7693mr. Atack i have doubts about ur ascertions re Jolly West, but i thank you for pointing out the role that hypnotism plays in scntlgy.. i had not heard anyone from the ex crowd spesk on this except Doug Kramer on Dazed & Confused,
& i wonder why it isn't brought up more as it seems an effective tool,&
potentially devastating when used for ill..
How did you survive the smear campaign and fair game tactics?@@jonatack7693
How Scientology isn’t classified as a criminal enterprise I’ll never understand. Their assets should be frozen for a start.
Like any "religious" organization I'm sure they just line the pockets of anyone that has the capability to do just that. and like many things in the US legal system, laws are only laws if you're in a certain tax bracket, once you have enough financial clout you can get away with fucking anything.
How much do you know about society?
there using a legal loophole that can never be changed cuz the constitution
@@nah9510 I was talking more about in the UK. No rigid protections like in the US.
@@nah9510 not 100% true, constitutional amendments have happened in the past.
2 friends and I had the Scientologists in Amsterdam call the cops on us because we went in a little drunk and stoned and demanded to talk to the big man Xenu. They got rather cross and called the police so we left. The police stopped us a few streets away and they just laughed and told us not to go back.
Haha I love this. This is such a Dutch thing to do, I respect it. My partner and I did something similar. I'm not generally a disrespectful person but saying shit like "may the force be with you" in an equally serious voice to crazy cult people trying to convince you of their bs hits differently lmao
@@Aszura314 I’m not Dutch I’m English
"A technique abandoned by Freud." - that gives you an idea how bad that technique must be.
This needs to be shared far and wide, how heartbreaking.
I stumbled into a Scientology office in the early 80s when living in Las Vegas. I took some of the tests and listened to their rhetoric. Of course, they were down with the psychological pablam of the 70s. ( you are trying to find meaning in life. there is a road to happiness) the whole spiel. I was probably 23 and they were creepy. I didn't go back but they followed me across country as I had moved to multiple states. I often wondered how they kept up with my locations. This went on for 30+ years. Since then, I have learned about their tactics and techniques. And I found the "clear" on my own.
This man must be protected at all costs. He has essentially given his life to tell people the truth. Thank you Sir, for your invaluable contribution to our society. May god bless you deeply ❤
Jon is really good at explaining the nuances of Scientology.
I went to Narconon in Monterey Cali. For drug treatment, NOT knowing it was a Scientology front. Their websites spoke nothing of the culture, until you get there and you're surrounded by hanging portraits of L.Ron. I was lost and broken, but stayed because it was so expensive, that I didn't want to disappoint my family. It was basically a ground level introduction to Scientology...I was at the center for 9 months. I did finish the program but was adamantly defiant towards the end. I think they didn't like me because I started asking a lot of questions and calling staff out for being brainwashing robots. They tried to mentally break me down. The activities you are required to participate are nothing but brainwashing techniques. I did try an E.meter. I was audited many times, and felt like I was going crazy, which they refuse to acknowledge. They had an answer for every question, and an excuse for every defiant question or speaking out. If Narconon still exists DO NOT GO THERE, or send your loved ones there....
Wait… you can’t be talking about Nar-Anon right? That must be a different organization
I've heard many many stories like this. It's insane. They've gotten away from audits so many times, same in the UK. Everyone tells the same story. They don't acknowledge anything.
@@TheGeenat Narconon is different, a "rehab" facility
What’s scary is that we are all vulnerable to some extent
You are so right. At the wrong moment anyone but a psychopath can be recruited.🙂
to the extent that you remain ignorant and listen to what everyone says instead of looking for yourself and experiencing it for yourself. But no, apparently you enjoy being effect of life and im willing to bet that you arent a facat checker, just a noise maker with no brain
Your honesty is refreshing. I hope you are safe now ❤
Hey Jon Atack, you clearly have stale ethics cycles that piled up and your overts are eating you up alive. Complete effect of you to turn against a religion because of your own out-ethics. That is YOU cutting your own throat AND YOU KNOW IT. Do your damn liability condition, handle your out-ethics and get with the effing program!! And for those hating on Scientology, you are missing out on spiritual freedom that God so graciously gave to you. But eternal life ain't for everyone I guess, so continue listening to that reactive mind of yours you call 'The Devil'. It's really YOU JUSTIFYING BAD DECISION AND EVADING RESPONSIBILITY. Ain't no devil but YOU. By God, may he show you the light and expose the TRUTH about Scientology and why he created it, maybe you'll develop gratitude to replace your ignorance and stupidity
I cannot fathom the courage of this man. Thank you for educating us, despite the risk to yourself.
I like that he had to point out none of the 1000 people he interviewed had achieved super powers to blow up planets 😅
they're keeping it on the downlow 🤫
waiting for the right time to take on the XZenopod
hatchlings..
Reminds of that Buddhist cult from Community
Amazing and disgusting at the same time. Thank you for speaking out. More people need to hear about this
The part with ‘Shelly Midcavige is ONE of the disappeared’…
NO she just has better things to do than entertain a bunch of idiots
Thank you for speaking out, your perseverance in the path of honesty is a perfect example that they are weak and resort to £2million tactics to silence or ridicule you is evident of that.
It is incredible how incompetent they are. Good to know that the cult is shrinking but we do need to help the slaves find their way back into the world.🙂
Hey Jon Atack, you clearly have stale ethics cycles that piled up and your overts are eating you up alive. Complete effect of you to turn against a religion because of your own out-ethics. That is YOU cutting your own throat AND YOU KNOW IT. Do your damn liability condition, handle your out-ethics and get with the effing program!! And for those hating on Scientology, you are missing out on spiritual freedom that God so graciously gave to you. But eternal life ain't for everyone I guess, so continue listening to that reactive mind of yours you call 'The Devil'. It's really YOU JUSTIFYING BAD DECISION AND EVADING RESPONSIBILITY. Ain't no devil but YOU. By God, may he show you the light and expose the TRUTH about Scientology and why he created it, maybe you'll develop gratitude to replace your ignorance and stupidity
How intelligent, often professional people can be duped like this is beyond me. I wish you all the best with the rest of your life.
He said it himself. He was 19 and heartbroken and looking for something to connect to.
So some kind person took advantage and introduced him to a cult where he felt accepted...at first
Intelligence isn't the same as common sense. Some people are just gullible and will believe anything to escape depression.
just simple mind control and indoctrination, the same way normal people can become indoctrinated to think like a Marine.
it's nice to know that they won't prey on disabled people. That means I'm safe!
I hadn't thought of it that way🙂
I wonder why they wont?
@@latinaalma1947 Hubbard said that Scientology is to 'make the able more able'. I never saw this as a proscription on the disabled, but it seems that current view is that it is. I'm guessing that lack of money is the only actual disability from the cult's point of view.🙂
@@jonatack7693would you say that Scientology believes in eugenics? It seems to me like they want the "perfect" human beings and disregard the rest.
Me, too! Fixing to go out and protest here! They consider us degraded beings. Never been so happy to be called such! Take care 🙂!
Thankyou for speaking out, you have my respect 🙏👊
Thanks for watching and commenting. You have mine 🙂
@@jonatack7693 have a good day 😎
Loved your book, John! Read it many years ago! Keep on exposing!
This guys has been freed from the creepy "religion" for many years, has the choice to remain silent and he can just move on peacefully with his life but rather, choose to speak up and bring awareness about this dangerous and exploitative cult while being all aware that it will be a hell to deal with the harassments and threats.
Now that's one hell of a badass. Salute!
all religions are creepy just some more than others
Thank You Jon 🙏🏽💕
If Jon “happens” to pass away, we know WHO did it. AND the PUBLIC will come after YOU “ scientologist “.
Love listening to Jon. He is so knowledgeable about everything Scientology and so many other things. It's crazy how so many people have suffered from this crazy "religion ".
Thank you for answering all those questions, Mr Atack. Fascinating and chilling!
Great speaker. ❤
This is so cruel. How could anyone do this to another human being?
I could listen to this man talk for hours.
The best of the best is Jon Atack!!!
How extraordinarily kind. Bless you.😊😇
@@jonatack7693 Credit where it is due
"I've been sued many times, but hey, what the heck" is an absolutely wild statement
Funnily enough, my next door neighbour is currently the no.1 target for the UK Scientology branch. He's also an ex-cult member who's recently completed his book on the experience. They've been harassing him for the last few years. We've even had knocks on the door by what we believed to be members of the cult trying to bad mouth my neighbour (luckily we were warned beforehand).
He's got a UA-cam channel, Apostate Alex where he talks all things Scientology.
Very intelligent, articulate and beautiful soul.
No such thing as a soul.
@@uriituw each their own
Been following Jon on You Tube for years. What a great and wonderful surprise 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤
Jon is great at explaining things and getting to the most important stuff.
Thank you for speaking out the amount of time and money they put into destroying defectors is terrifying. When this shit happens for so long we know the law enforcement around them are corrupt.
Part corruption, part ignorance and part having corrupt lawyers, but most of all the complete failure of our educational systems. Most of my work for the last decade has been about prevention - my book Opening Our Minds has all the basic material about human predators and authoritarian groups. Thanks so much for commenting!🙂
Certain law enforcers sadly are biddable and do pervert the course of justice. In the end they do get noticed. However it can take years to weed them out.
I hope he won his family back at least. I can only imagine the struggle to clear his name for one.
My mum joined Scientology to make sure I'd be okay and ended up spending eight years involved. She left on the day it was suggested I might be 'declared Suppressive'. I refused to 'disconnect' from anyone while in the group, so my family remained whole. Thanks so much for your concern🙂
@@nicolevazquez9664 As you say, my family is fine. When my mum was told she'd have to disconnect from me if I spoke out against Scientology, she left. Outside of years of vile harassment, I've suffered no harm by leaving Scientology. I am healthy, happy, surrounded by good friends (none of whom would accept an order to 'disconnect' from me). I have a good life. The threat that people pay heavily for 'bashing' Scientology indicates your state of mind. Read my work and then we can have a reasoned discussion. I wish you the best, just as you wish me the worst...
@@nicolevazquez9664 oh goodness… your a part of the cult aren’t you. I’m sorry for you.
That's a pleasant surprise to see Jon!
And a pleasant surprise to be seen - thanks!
Thank you Jon for your invaluable insight into the cult of Scientology 😊
Thank you for honesty , Jon, and for being concise and clear in your explanations.
"THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them."
-L. Ron Hubbard
FALSE QUOTE, he never said this. Been in it all my life! Wonderful religion, keeps you responsible for your own actions and helps you enhance your spiritual abilities. Ron is a good man. You are just what we like to call 'AN SP"
@@nicolevazquez9664 Nope, it's not a false quote and even if it were some BS quote somebody made up, it's not far off from how Blubbard ran the cult. A good man? Please. Blubbard was a drug abusing, two-bit, racist, greedy, pathologically dishonest, paranoid, evil, third-rate sci-fi author turned criminal. If you honestly think he was a "good man", you'd be the sort that would likely look up to Jim Jones, Charles Manson and Shoko Asahara.
Get out of scientology before it kills you.
One time I had a recruiter convince me to see a movie and it was boring blah blah blah how scientology can make you great but at the end tried to sell me courses/books to keep learning but I told them I had no money
No money - that would do it!😊
Why did you agree to watch it? Just curious
@@ems4884 I was walking home from school and the recruiter phrased the question asking if I wanted to see a movie, didn’t really want to but because their was also a group of people they gathered from the street, I sort of just went along.
I had a similar experience
Expose Scientology at all cost
Thank you for your honesty
Love Jon's work and his channel. Thanks for this.
Hope you are happy and well Jon! ❤
Very clearly explained.
Thankyou for making this video. So important , especially for us who have escaped from cults x
Top bloke 👍
What can be done to help guys like this who are victims of their harassment
@nicolevazquez9664 Hi Sebastian, hope you are well.
Thank you Jon for your first hand insights. Objective, honest and informative
Wow this was incredibly insightful!
Just reading Jons book and its a real insight into the con man that brought about Scientology, of only its followers knew the true story
I'd heard of Jon but never seen/heard him speak. What an articulate and fascinating man. Godspeed to you Jon for speaking out and standing up to the cult.
He has a good youtube channel covering cults.
Thank you for speaking out. God bless you.
Thanks for taking the time to watch and to comment. Lots more on my channel and bless you too 🙂
@jonatack7693 may I ask how you feel about the recent protests against Scientology with the 2nd, 3rd etc Gens in the US? I'd love to hear your point of view. Thank you 🙂
More superstition.
17 years to recover 😮 Bless this man ❤ incredible strength and resilience
How very kind. You make the journey worthwhile🙂
Poor guy. Well done for speaking out.
This is such a fascinating and informative video, thank you so much for speaking out
You are most kind.🙂
The amount of therapy and deprogramming he had to go through to get to this point to speak about scientology like he did in this is amazing. He really is resilient and brave for speaking out. I hope the end of scientology comes soon.
You have to love Mr Atack
I like this guy
Bless u. Our religion shouldn't make us lose our marriages, money. Let alone mental health. ❤
Shell Miiscavige was found! A-Aron found her and apparently she wasn't actually hiding. She just keeps to herself and has a couple of bodyguards that go with her whenever she leaves her compound. She goes out but not often. She is registered to vote in California. That's where she is at.
I hope she votes for T R U M P
Thank you for doing the cults work and spreading their propaganda. I hope someday you'll get control of your brain back.😂😂😂😂😂😂
Not true.
@@wagherbert OK you got me. She's actually defected to the Dark Side. She lives and works with Lord Xenu on his battle cruiser in space.
A-Aron😂😂😂
The beliefs in common with Mormonism are so fascinating!
I love Jon.
a scientology rep talking to me for 5 minutes on a sidewalk was enough to turn my back and walk away at 20. how on earth do intelligent people join?
A crisis. Everyone has uncomfortable moments in life where you seek out community or help. Medical care and education are available and yet there harder to access and expensive. Neither of those things will come with a social group, and that is the foundation of cults. The lower members are nice people they are usually lovely and mean well when they are recruiting on the street. They believe most parts of what they are teaching is valuable and that people are helpful and lovely and would thus, NEED whatever they're selling.
24:49, "They prey upon people who are emotionally vulnerable ". Everyone no matter how rich or intelligent has parts of the human experience that make them more receptive to dishonest cult members and salespeople (if we're really being honest). Recruiting and profiliatizing are adverting for the masses; convincing someone the product is better serves a function or does something that you need. Emotional needs thus, are part of our makeup and, therefore, the universal window where most people can be suckered in, under the right circumstances. It has very little to do with intelligence and everything to do with needs and, at times, our ability to be convinced that maybe although we're the happiest we've ever been that dome small part of ourselves could be helped. They get you in for a penny but don't show you the hard stuff or prevent you from leaving until later when mental and physical and financial ruin has been put in your way. This is why Scientology and so many other groups are classed as destructive cults.
8:20 This was one of the most imp questions, the e-meter (galvanometer), which is the instrument used by Scientology to create the illusion that they’re a combination of religion + science&technology.
Although the E-meter could help in detecting mental distress, it can’t detect truth. Simply imagining an elephant crushing you will make its needle fall and give a read, thus you are auditing your imagination…and that…is endless.
Ideas like an oppressive Xenu galactic overlord, implants and being possessed by ‘body thetans’ are deeply disturbing and expectedly give E-meter reads or show “charge” that needs to be handled…but it’s just not real…again, all imagined and put in your heads as the problem to overcome.
It’s pure placebo.
The E-meter was one of LRH’s best pseudo-science tricks. People need to talk more about the E-meter because it’s one of the elements that ‘sell’ Scientology the most and what they use as ‘proof’ of their veracity and technological angle…all bs.
It's amazing what people will believe.
If you liked this, then I couldn't recommend the jon atack and friends channel enough, such broad topics too.
Thank you. Watching from Alaska.
Can we get an update on how this guy is after speaking out about this? Id love to know if they actually would do anything after he spoke out about them?
fight cult thinking by keeping rational doubt alive
Soooo wild 🤯
You should look into the LAPD/Scientology relationship. Been catching up on live streams for the past couple of weeks, and it's absolutely wild.
Unreal, the whole SPTV community is working hard to shut this cult down. D.O.A and STREETS LA, are the cornerstone.
Glad ur out !! It needs to be shut down
The people involved in this cult should be on the FBIs most wanted list.
Thanks for that video! 🙏🙏
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Much appreciated!🙂
Pure ASMR
Brave man!
My parents put us in Catholic elementary and high school even though we are an atheist family. When I asked why they told me “hopefully this experience will prevent you from running off to Costa Rica and joining a cult.” I’m middle aged and have still never joined a cult. I went to a NXVIM class through my company and I didn’t stay more than 10 minutes because a woman walked in the room with sashes and we were told to call her by some word. I was there under the request of my employer but I told them why I left and told them I don’t do this self help bs and that I wouldn’t do Landmark (the second course they suggested after that executive course I walked out of). Turns out over a decade later NXVIM was exposed as a cult and its leader is in prison now. Put your kid in Catholic school and they will be able to sniff out weird groupthink in a hot second. It works. If you are thinking this company that sent me sounds like the most famous Vancouver Canada company ever- you are correct. They themselves are also cult-like although they don’t do anything criminal, a lot of brainwashing groupthink though. I only lasted working there 4 months it was so culty. Lulus are delulu.
I will never forgive Scientology for Chef’s death in South Park 😡
Silly.
Of all the bad things Scientology has done. You will never forgive them because of an animated characters death.
@@Pseedholmcause that's the only think affecting me or him
@@Pseedholm take a joke
It is unforgivable, childrens.🙂
It's crazy how I survived this because they tried recruiting means I was sold.
They gave me two metal balls which read on some meter then they asked all these emotional questions that made the needle to spike up, showed me all these positive reviews from celebrities and random successful people who all said that they owed their successes to scientology,etc ..
Now I understand why they were based near one of the top South African universities 😳😳
Should be totally illegal.
One of Scientology's main books, 'The seven year old girl who shudders because a man kisses her is not computing; she is reacting to an engram since at seven she should see nothing wrong with a kiss, not even a passionate one.
Ref: Dianetics, The Modern Science Of Mental Health - LRon Hubbard. Chapter 9, Part 2, Differences (page 409 in Oct 1979 edition).'
Hero
It''s very fascinating to hear about the concept of cults and the psychology behind it. The fact that they feel the need to harras people who left, speaks volumes about the organisation.
I think they ruined a lot of peoples lives.
God bless you … gentle soul I can tell you are out to help people to avoid falling into this 👿 cult. That Unfortunately you did.
Scientology is literally the simpsons episode “the joy of sect”
Yes
Best LadBible video EVER! Thanks so much Jon for standing up to those pieces of shit and teaching us all just how nasty, greedy and pathetic scientologists really are. I'm sorry you had to go through so much to get to this point. you are as brave and strong as any soldier.
It's because of people like this man that me and other children knew to stay far away from anything scientology. I'm so sorry you had to put yourself at risk for speaking out but me and many others thank you.
He's right about being unconscious and not knowing what's going on otherwise you would remember everything during surgery
I wish they would leave me alone . The harassment is daily and has ruined my life . I will never conform or "join" .
I joined over a broken heart also just insane now when I think back
imagine harassing someone for 16 years... wow these people are nuts and must not even have lives of their own. how do you have that much time? absolute madness. It's a cult for sure.
WHERE IS SHELLY MISCAVIGE!!?!?!?!?! The more and more I research about Scientology the more crazy it gets. I've listened to a lot of Ex scientologists speak out and talk about the systems and processes in pace. It's all just absolutely ridiculous.
It's like a mad militia😮
@@user-ym3xf6xp4c 100% madness that's for sure. If you haven't seen going clear I'd recommend it. Mike rinder has a podcast as well.
Funny part is, most current members don't even know who she is. Don't know he ever had a wife. He's playing slap and tickle with Lou, his assistant. And nobody thinks it's suspicious because they never knew Shelly or saw her. It's before their time. Ex members think they are divorced now and she's doing what she thinks is her job. She was indoctrinated by being 'given ' to LRH and Mary Sue at age 12. She's drank ALL the Kool-aid and doesn't think it's inhumane the way she's living. She's protecting LRH works in RTC
@@BattleCreekSquirrelSquad yea I've heard she's not missing. That she's just doing another job and she's safe. I know Leah Remini had a meeting with the cops which didn't go very well. It's all madness but shelly probably is just brainwashed at this point and doesn't realise what going on.
Shelly drank the kool-aid because she wasn't offered anything else. Kool-aid is all she knows. Many people are raised in scientology, as Shelly was. It was a harsh cult 30ish years ago but when Dave took over it got much worse. The 2nd generation has been threatened with huge debts, loss of their entire family and friends, and they were not educated. Anyone would be afraid to leave.
How did you escape ST? I listened to some horrific stories.
So if Scientology is tax exempt we paid for him to be harassed?
Tax exempt means do don't pay taxes, not that you have the use of taxpayers' money
How is this not illegal???
It should be... the damage is unconscionable. But... freedom of religion allows it. 🤷♀️
money has power over democracy, I guess
Nothing is illegal if you're rich enough. Hell of a fucking world to be living in huh?
The reason L Ron Hubbard took the season and Scientology lived in the waters for almost 10 years is because they had been declared illegal and then couldn't find a country to house them. I may be wrong but this is how I remember it
L Ron Hubbard himself in 1966 said "Somebody some day will say this is 'illegal'. By then be sure the orgs say what is legal or not."
👀
The fact that Charles Manson also deemed it “too crazy” for him is enough for me
It truly amazes me that such an obviously evil and dangerous cult is allowed to continue in the modern world.....that said we still have the major religions don't we. And I'm sure they'd argue they're just another and frankly it's hard to argue that they're that different.
No matter how bad this Scientology is, the main religions of the world right now have done far far worse, in recent decades too.
Well, it's all a matter of degree. Depending on the level of control, if you're a non-believing Catholic or Jew, your family can still talk to you (not so with Jehovah's Witnesses or Scientologists). IMO, this is what marks a cult apart from a "regular" religion - will your family talk to you if you don't believe?
A Christian, Jew, or Muslim will happily tell you all about what they believe for free, whereas you can't even find out about what's in the OT levels without either paying LOTS of money, working for the church for 80+hours a week at lower than minimum wage, or, of course, looking it up online (and being declared suppressive for doing so).
It's very easy to say "all religions are just as bad," but really, how many religions force their workers to have abortions? forbid their clerics from having even a day off without a massive guilt trip? have armies of lawyers to harass and sue the people speaking out?
Yes, the major religions have much to answer for. But I argue that it's on a scale, and while Mainstream Religion might be anywhere from a 3-9 on the 1-10 scale of Horrible Stuff Done, Scientology scores an eleven.
@@kiragoe I would say that's more because of their strength in numbers. With their militant practices, I'm pretty sure if Scientology had 2.4 billion members like Christianity, 1.9 billion like Islam or 1.2 billion like Hinduism, as opposed to 1/10000th the amount, they would be a real fucking force
@@kiragoethat’s not even remotely true. Please educate yourself.
@@LudiCrust. Well someone doesn't know about what's been happening in the middle east in the past twenty years. Or the treatment of women and gays in these countries due to a certain religion.