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If you're still confused about some of the terms used in videos like MAR or 1 Circle 2 Circle Please watch this earlier video where we explain these Concepts: ua-cam.com/video/Biphq8Bqe7I/v-deo.html&ab_channel=GrowlingSidewinder
Hey GS, please zoom in more on text in the tack view (parameters likes g, speed turn rate, mach num). It's pretty much illegible on mobile screen.
The 7’s seem to perform better than the 120s for the hornet.
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Rule No 1 in a dogfight. Never fight someone with a better paint job on their jet.
Definitely right
“Im safe, splash 1 bandit” GS
nothing beats the Nagase paint job on the F-2A from Ace Combat Assault Horizon
Word
Lesson learned from the Flying Tigers.
0:33 "off the nose aboot" Definitely Canadian.
Lol damn it I hate when I say aboot
That CF-188 sesquicentennial livery is beautiful!
Agreed, it is amazing, looks like the russian knights
Ok listen boys I saw the real cf18 with that livery it was amazing and I need to know were I can get it for my hornet in dcs
@@lancer1686 Its stock
Although BVR definitely isn't nearly as exciting as BFM/dogfighting IMHO, I think its a lot more important. As someone relatively new to DCS world, I really appreciate you making these videos going over the tactics of a BVR. Its a massive help!
Personally I disagree. Having a missle flying at your face and having to fly directly towards it to get a good solution is scary and exciting af
@@ImperiumLibertas very true, I watched his f-15 vs f-16 bvr video recently and it was so fun to watch
2v2 or 4v4 BVR fight would be awesome.
I think he has a 4vs4 the f15 vs the Chinese j10 I think.
@@Robert53area yes, 2 Japanese F-15 vs 4 Chinese J-10
He also did 2 Raptors vs 2 Flanker D's
GS your tach view was very important especially in these BVR fights thanks.
3:27 GS : "I can see him visually"
Me : I can't even see where he is....
Same. I haven't a clue what's going on but I'm enthralled nonetheless.
He has a huge monitor and better resolution than we see in the video
The weird part is that the AIM-120 like other big missiles uses a proximity fuze. It doesn't have to physically it the target and the explosive cone will shred the target rather than relying on an impact. Despite it being a few feet behind the enemy aircraft it should have detonated.
Thank you for BVR again
Hi Mike, do you mind telling me what is BVR? Am new to DCS and am still catching up the terms used here..😀 thanks
@@Elicver Sure no problem my friend. BVR stands for "beyond visual range" and describes the long range air to air combat beyond 15 nautical miles
@@Mike_Romeo thank you for taking time to reply. That’s cool..👍😊
I discovered your channel about 6 months ago.
Been watching almost every jet fighter video.
Love the content and keep it up!
Damn, the hornet looks incredible in red!
I guess I never really thought about just keeping them in gimbal limit on the deck to reduce the turn time, of course I never really have done many bvr engagements
I usually base my cranking amount by looking at my radar and positioning the target on the very edge of the radar cone. That way you know exactly how much your limit is and drag the incoming missile the most you can.
It's like you guys have read my mind. I have spent the past few days researching this, but you guys do a great job at this. BVR is something i have been trying to work on recently. Much appreciated!
glad you found it useful man.
@@GrowlingSidewinder i find it useful* lol
@@justinthomas85 lol I'm going to blame that on auto correct. edited it tho lol sorry about that .
Thanks for the BVR vid. I would like it if you explained more where you are reading the sensor information from the displays in the fight. ie - where is it showing the range to target. The target high. Etc
These training and explanation engagements are great. Going through past videos and saving the ones that really explain things. :)
Another tip would be to reduce your throttle when cranking and then increase when skating, my time in the Tomcat has taught me merging is never really a good idea, reduce throttle, reduce closure, stick to your BVR timeline of sanitize -> meld -> engage -> crank -> skate -> recommit and repeat and youll avoid a merge very well.
Another note would be to not crank in one direction, if he launches again while you crank, that missile is gonna cut you off and kill you easy, crank left and right before skating
Just won my first BVR fight with this video, thanks bro
I love that Canadian F18 Demo Skin! Great breakdown.
LOL, GS is so badass he is in a BVR fight and still has his nav lights on :)
Just wanna say I love the hornet livery on the thumbnail!
I've watched all your BVR videos, know all the terms and tactics. I still watch these 'beginner' videos, though.
Loving the absolute barrage of content lately i really like the IL2 stuff
OMG I was watching a video of two Tom cats shooting down some mig-23 and I found where you got your intro from, I came straight here to share my incredible findings. 🙃
Thanks for making this. It is very detailed and informative!
🔥 Hornet of the North!
As a new player, like the one who gets hit in the face trying to do this.. I try and use your awesome information to avoid said situations, so thank you. Unfortunetly, I get TWS locked, and can't pick him up outisde of 40km where he already has an 120 in the air, I figure this out just based off distance, and half way into my turn im getting blasted, also I'm not getting IFF info as it comes back as unknown l lot of the time, and it doesn't help at all that they are using ECM so it's really hard to keep trying to lock them, keeping them at gimble limits, figuring out how close the missle is and when it was fired as even pitbul warning goes off later than I know what to do with it, if I do I'm usually too far away for a fox 2 and stuggling between keeping him locked if I even get a chance to lock him, and do missle calculations based off of what I've already learned, Hope this becomes second nature. I, as welll as a lot of newer players still really have issues with how far the radar can actually spot contacts painted by awacs, much less lock them up past 60km.. that and i've seen you guys at 40/50km going over 300knts.. the highest I could get in the hornet was 40 and the f16 43 was it's ceiling. before losing all it's speed and manuverability, making it pretty much useless in any type of real engagement.
Hope we will see more BVR and dynamics fight later on this channel, love your vids bud !
Best tactical wiew I ever seen
I feel like those last 2 amraams that he launched at you should of track even if it can't hit you.
Hope they fix it.
Thanks for sharing with us your experience...
Him:dont worry i know he is lockin
The guy:how did i miss
Only addition I have: Slow down in the crank. No need to go 1.05M or 700kts. You want to preserve range by the crank angle and also the speed.
Also, a speed this high is not a tactical airspeed.
Thank you So much for this video! U R the man ;) Cheers
Great video! Love to see the BVR lessons. Keep them coming, please.
😂🤣😂 you just had to draw the balls @ 16:54
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@@GrowlingSidewinder Cheers GS its going to be my gaming jumper!
Using half the Canadian AMRAAM inventory in this video.
hornet is such a beautiful aircraft
That S-turn GS's second-to-last AMRAAM did was a result of P/N guidance in the terminal phase and the turn reversal that the other Hornet did. I think the miss was a result of the missile going at ~1.2 mach just not quite having the G available for the intercept, maybe combined with DCS's goofy implementation of proximity fusing.
Hornet vs Hornet: It’s not the plane, it’s the pilot
GreaT video.. wud like more on notching missles.. when to turn when you are safe from it.. etc..
I don’t presume to speak for all but, I’d much rather you “get into the weeds” in TacView. You began talking about aspect and how you arrived in that position. The fact that you basically have half the threat due to positioning is very interesting…to me. I’m an analytical, math nerd so forgive the request for more in depth analysis. That much info may not be for all and that’s no good for the channel, so there’s that…lol! Keep ‘em coming bud! Great stuff!
Thanks man, but ya with some of these older videos I do go into the details I just stopped doing it in later videos because I didn’t want to keep repeating myself I’m sure that would get annoying for people just seeing repetitive tacviews. But ya these older videos have all that information in their tacviews
Brilliant content. Subscribed.
This needs to be two on two or four on four. That would be exciting.
"A skill you will lose over time" *remembers video uploaded on the second channel*
Burning syrup at a ferocious pace and flinging flapjacks.
The Red Baron of digital sky.
Drinking game: Take a shot everytime he says MAR.
Crank is not aggressive enough, although sufficient in this simulation. -pull gs, change the manœuvre plane while supporting the missile
this livery is awesome
Nice LO paint job :P
i love bvr dude is so awesome
I'm glad BVR fights are back. Dogfights are exciting but the long range duels are tense.
Nice colours!
With the amount of videos I’ve watched, I’d I could afford to play DCS I’m sure I could be half decent at it ! 🤣
I can say the same. The only thing I dont know is working the bottoms on the plane.
great video...thank you !
Awesome video, I learned a lot, thanks for it. If I may have a question, it is regarding decisions, In the cockpit you do not have much of an idea of where are missiles coming from, just the RWR siren and its display. Unlike the Tacview analysis where it is quite clear that those missiles are not gonna hit you for all the reasons you have explained so well, so Is this result of experience or you actually can guess where are they coming from?
Cheers! Thanks
The hornet is the sexiest looking plane ever made. Before the su57…
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS you should do one where you can only use fly by wire mode
i had no idea missiles ran out of juice I thought the engine would be on the whole time till impact, I guess it makes sense they coast the final part of there range instead of instantly stopping duh.
at least back in the 2.0 days..... the aim7 was WAY better when chasing someone down that was running away
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it would EASILY out range the aim 120 when the target is cold
the 120 kinda relies on your own speed.... and the targets speed (aka, closure rate)
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while the 7 is like "lol, my motor burns long as fuck boi"
like.... if he shot an aim7 VS that very last 120 (and lived to give it tracking)........ that aim7 probably could have chased you down and got ya
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i kinda remember like 5 mile 120 cold shots doing nothing...... but the aim7 would be JUST coming off motor about 1 or 2 seconds before impact
Hi GS, am new to DCS and its obvious am still catching up knowing the terms used here and apreciate all of the youtubers for sharing your experties, this motivates and help me a lot to emerse this kind of gaming. Do you mind telling me how do you do the tactical view? Is there separate software for this or is it within the DCS system? Thanks
HI there, glad to hear you're finding the videos useful, tacview is a 3rd party application that plugs into DCS (and other flight sims) you can find it here: www.tacview.net/product/about/en/
@@GrowlingSidewinder thank you so much for your quick reply. Yes I do find your videos helpful and I enjoy watching them. I really want to learn and feel the hype of flying those planes. I only have FA-18 C Hornet for now and being a novice I still have a lot of things to learn. Am already your subscriber and your videos gets me excited to play DCS. Do you have tutorial videos for the Hornet? Please send me the links and I will really appreciate it. Am your avid fan and am hoping to join you someday on a mission.🙏🙏🙏😊😊😊
Love the CF188 Tiger Meet colours.
Or is that the display team colours?
Canada 150 demo
Nice video!! I have two questions:
1) When you fired the missile at 14:22 you turned instantly cold. How did you know that the missile didn't need any more guidance? Was it pitbull instantly because of the 6.7nm distance?
2) Do you have a video where you explain all the terminology (like MAR etc.), too?
Best regards.
yes, at those ranges the missiles comes off the rail active, and yes the video you are looking for is linked in the pinned comment.
0:59 missile LOST.
That's exactly what happens to me all the time. But how does he keep it tracking after it's already lost?!
Can we see some bvr action with you in a Sukhoi vs the f35?
CF-18 skins = 🔥
Great video, but where did you get the Canadian F18 skin from? , As its pretty cool 😎
How wide is the radar beam cone of Aim120? I assume it is fixed antenna and not gimbal? To me it seems this missile in 15:15 just started tracking, turned at the target and then corrected for lead but could not pull that tight anymore. I wonder how quickly Aim120s guidance computer can actually calculate correct lead after it's radar locks target?
At least 120s are not fixed array or antenna,
The missile knows where it is...
Nice livery. Never seen it before.
It was the demonstration livery to celebrate the sesquicentennial in 2017. Stunning in person!
@@mr_cleaner_upper8645 That was a joke, I've seen this jet many times. Even know the pilot.
Could you do a video on BVR in the Tomcat? I think alot of people would find that useful
Modern Dogfighting Enthusiasts: There's no skill in contemporary combat, it's all computer guided fire and forget missiles!
GS: . . . and this is how you outrun missiles while still firing off your own.
I expect those 120c's to be better, but its all good fun :)
Latest update really nerfed them. Check out Trickers latest video showing a tomcat dodging 11 in a row from two f16s within the MAR
Thanks for putting together the content, always enjoy them! I was wondering what happens when the bandit has radar jamming on and you can’t get a lock on it until BFM range, can you still execute BVR?
My pleasure, glad you find the videos helpful. To answer your question, You need to achieve burn thru, in DCS that’s always at 22 miles so you need to reduce your altitude to 18k feet (ish) because you don’t want to get burn thru at 40k and he burns thru on you and he fires and you’re deep inside the MAR at 40k. Hope that makes sense.
@@GrowlingSidewinder I’m not really understand what burn thru is and what that’s got to do with how high I am? Do we still want to engage BVR after 22 miles or do we want to switch to BFM?
Hey sidewinder, you seem to really like DC'S, have you ever tried the game simple planes? If not id love for you to go in and test some of the planes and even build your own fighter
He has a lot videos with the simpler FC-3 planes. All you have to do is going through his video list.
excellent videos friend, it would be interesting a video fighting an F-18 superhornet with some of the current rivals, whether European or Russian, I have not seen you in a single superhornet, is it not that it is not so good a plane for dogfighting? I've only seen you in Hornets 🤔
Whats A-Pole range on AMRAAMs in DCS?
Also going out inside MAR is a good way to take a missile up the butt. Why are you so confident doing that so many times? Just curious the DCS numbers and what you're using for a lowalt AIM-120 MAR.
Edit: oh youre offsetting, making it harder for him to put you on CATA and get a full WEZ.
GS, could you maybe let us know what the acronyms (mar, stt, et al.) mean the first time you use them in the Tac View? If you say it at the beginning then use the acronym going forward it would be easier to understand the briefing. I know you have explained them before but the newbies or those of us with less then great memories would appreciate it. thx.
Hi man, these terms are often used in all my videos I think it gets annoying for people if in every video I explain the same thing over and over again that is why I have a video in the pinned comment where all of those terms and more are explained, I hope you will find that video useful.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Thanks for the quick response. To clarify, I'm not asking for a description but what the acronym stands for. Ex: instead of saying MAR, say minimum abort range the first time then MAR from then on out. Most of the Acronyms are self explanatory if the viewer knows what they stand for. Make sense? 😁
BTW, I re-watched the vids explaining terms but still don't know what stt means. Maybe I missed it?
@@myplane150 single target track
GS how similar are these tactics to real live tactics? Do these principals all apply roughly the same?
Do a video showing how many jets it takes to kill a Raptor… like 8 F-16’s v 1 Raptor BVR
I miss the TacViews for BVR fights..
Very informative! Thanks.
So what is the pitbull range of an AIM120 near the deck? I'm asking because, if you destroyed the aircraft that was painting you for that Fox 3, would it immediately go pitbull, or would it not track if it, say, had a predetermined distance to target before pitbull(ing).
Do you find BVR more or less intense than a traditional dogfight?
Dogfights but lets just say a BVR fight get intsenser as closer you get to the enemy.
BVR, especially if the bandit has FOX 3s on its side, since those only give warnings when the seeker activates.
So can we look off with the HMD and then fire? I have trouble deciding exactly when to fire with the HMD.
At 2:33 you can see the first missile fired at GS impact the ground, just as the camera changes focus from GS's missile to GS's jet.
correct and we can see the replay in tacview also.
I've been watching your videos for a while now and I understand the concept behind BVR strategy, but I'm curious to know if there is a different approach when engaging multiple targets. Most of your videos are 1v1, but most of the missions in DCS (especially the campaigns) have you fighting a bunch of enemies with your wingman. Do the concepts for 1v1 BVR still apply in that situation, or is there a different tactic to be used?
Did You try to run from missile by shutting engines off and coast ?
I would appreciate it if you make a BVR video where you don't crank in the same direction as your opponent. If you don't crank in the same direction (in the first salve), you would have to fly roughly straight ahead to avoid reaching the gimbel limit. That would mean that you cannot defend the opponent properly if you want to eliminate him.
its not that big of a deal as you think lol. just establish the best angle off you can and continue to reduce altitude as you crank, you not being able to crank also means he can't crank as much either just means you will both have to go cold sooner. the only time this really becomes a problem is when the guy you're fighting is an F-15 or F-16 in which case the tactics are pretty different anyway.
I know that this is an old video but what did you fire there as your first missile (fox 3) I'm learning the f-18c just now. Was it an AMRAAM?
Which are the radar settings .... azimuth ....in this video? You do very big manoovres without lose the lock
I guess the DCS pilots you shot down gave this video a thumbs down? Lol. Great video and breakdown.
How Can you keep the radar lock? My radar always loses lock even when im just flying straight and level.
Hey gs, just got the winwing Libra and Taurus hotas, could you post your control profiles somewhere?
Is it smart to go into a BVR fight when your aircraft is painted bright red?
well, it IS "beyond visual range" lol so technically you should be fine.
@@GrowlingSidewinder but his visibility was less than you. Since that you saw him at one point during the engagement, he must have seen you way earlier.
I guess you are so good that you can afford to fight in ridiculous colors.
@@bastadimasta The Radar is what sees for you not your eyes in BVR
BVR GANG!
Can you do missle pov from your wing to the other jet?
I miss these vids...