@00:30 Ellie's mom looks like Ellie because this is the actress who played Ellie in the video game. Nice tribute to her to have her play her mom here. Joel was ruthless. It was shocking. But, when it comes to Ellie, I love the fact that Joel is ruthless.
Yep, I think it was very touching that the Actress who literally brought the original Ellie character to life, does so again in a different meaning. A great choice for the role, much easier to act as a mother to the character when she figuratively is already.
I walk through the valley of the shadow of death And I fear no evil because I'm blind to it all And my mind and my gun they comfort me Because I know I'll kill my enemies when they come
It's kinda ironic though because Bella doesn't look very much like game Ellie, yet somehow a lot like Ashley Johnson, despite game Ellie being partly based on her face.
Marlene didn’t give Ellie a choice though if she wanted to go through with the surgery or forget about it. Also nobody even Marlene knew if the plan would work 100% so why would Joel just let them kill her over something that wasn’t 100% sure? I think Joel made the right choice
@@vincefavaro1267 Because even tho they don't have 100% sure if it would work they would have to try it with the only person they know is imune, one loss to possibly save many, it's a risk worth taking in their perspective even tho it's a hard decision, ofc in Joel's perspective the choice is obvious, he won't lose another child again and live with all that pain so he brings back the old him, kills everyone to save the only thing that he loves and is keeping him alive, Ellie. Then he lies to her because he knows he did a selfish decision for love and if he told her the truth she would probably want to have importance and meaning to all those peoples lives that could have been saved, the only way of getting out of there with her, was lying to her and hiding the truth from her.
@@vincefavaro1267 That's why I said both Marlene and Joel both took the choice away from Ellie. Marlene forced Ellie into the procedure without asking because she was unwilling to risk Ellie saying no, and Joel lied about slaughtering the Fireflies because he was unwilling to accept yes for an answer if he'd asked her.. and he knows she would have said yes. Marlene wanted to save the world, Joel wanted to save Ellie. In the end they both betrayed Ellie trying to achieve their goals.
@@vincefavaro1267Joel didn’t do it to save her, he did it to save himself. He’s not the hero of the story. Just a broken man in a broken world who thinks he did the right thing.
"What would you do for 'love'... specifically for the 'love' of a child?" These two wonderful reactors clearly gave their answer in their screams after learning the plan was to kill Ellie for the cure. GREAT REACT!
The way your reactions were every bit as fierce and protective as Joel's where Ellie's concerned - priceless! Really enjoyed hearing your thoughts on this show - THANK YOU!
i never played last of us but seen clips ,ellie was a cute looking girl, why in this series they choosen some girl who looks like greta thurnbergs sister lmao
@@girlsdrinkfeck u never played the games so why do you give a fuck?? I’ve played the games and yea she doesn’t look like Ellie but she’s done a really good job.
@@MaureenLongoriaTheOneAndOnly not doubting her talents ,but the casting isnt right ,ellie is a cute girl ... its the same as the ugly blue fairy in the new pinnochio movie ,why is it now a bald fat black woman ? i think hollyood is too woke and are just sympathy casting now
Let's just say they made Joel's choice a lot more ambiguous and morally gray than in the game. In the game, the Fireflies knocked him out when he was pumping out Ellie who had drowned in the water, they were not going to return his backpack to him (he found it himself) and even more so to pay him for delivering Ellie with weapons, it was not explained exactly how the vaccine would work and why they could not conduct experiments on Ellie's blood. In the series, Ellie is treated much more carefully, Joel was going to return his things and be paid, how the vaccine works, explained quite realistically. At the same time, Joel kills people who have already surrendered, and not just armed ones (although he spared the nurses). However, in both cases, Ellie was not allowed to make a choice and give consent or refusal. Despite the fact that she is a minor and has not reached the age of consent ... And most importantly, even if the vaccine is administered to all people (which is impossible), it still will not save the world. Millions of infected people who tear and devour people, thousands of cannibals and robbers will not go anywhere, and there will simply not be enough hands and heads to restore the energy grid, the economy and the social system. So summing up, I'm still on the side of Joel.
The actress who played Ellie's mom in the flashback was the voice actress and mocap of Ellie in the games - Ashley Johnson. So it was actually the other way around, they knew who Ellie's mom was going to be before they got Bella Ramsey to play Ellie and Ashley herself specifically requested and vetted Bella for the role.
top-quality television show with a strong narrative and very compelling characters. the best live-action recreation of a videogame. ❤🔥 Super excited for Season 2
ND: The original ending that for a long time we discussed is Ellie would believe the lie and you’d see them walking off to Tommy’s town and the camera would track up and you’d feel like, they’re going to be ok. It was about a week before we shot that scene and we thought, this isn’t honest, this doesn’t feel right, Ellie would know, I don’t buy it, we have to change this. This is an Ashley thing but no matter what the acting direction is, she’s going to nod her head and be like, ‘OK… OK’. And throughout shooting, a lot of her improvisation for Ellie involved saying, ‘ok’. And I thought, you have to end on that. Whatever it is Joel tells her, she has to just be like, ‘ok’. So Ashley, when you’d say that to Neil, you weren’t being glib, it really was a matter of trusting his direction. Is that the same feeling you wanted Ellie to communicate to Joel? AJ: That’s how I was playing it. Obviously she has a bullshit detector, she clearly knows he’s lying, but she says, alright, let’s see where this goes. ND: And it’s also like, how do you approach that? Would she start asking very detailed questions? Why would they release me before I woke up? Why wouldn’t I talk to someone before leaving? Was Marlene there? No, she would just ask the one obvious question: are you lying?
@@Сайтамен part 2 the game isnt exactly bad its actually quite good. the only reason people dont like it because of a certain event that happend that no one liked. ( keeping it spoiler free )
I believe trying to save what's left of humanity is priority one rather than keeping whatever sentimental promise Marlene made to her friend who's already dead. There are bigger issues to worry about.
I'm a big fan of the game part 1 and 2 and have spent long hours playing both and really loved the story, action sequences and surving, I loved the T.V series too and really hope they make another for the second part. What really intrigued me was the relationship that Ellie and Joel build and how they navigate through the series and games, just so thrilling, epic. Thank you both as I will get around to watching your reactions its so entertaining 🙂
”Why does he lie to her?” Because he knows that she would have wanted this and would hate him if she knew the truth of what he did! Marlene was literally right, they both know what Ellie would have wanted. This isn’t about letting her choose, this is about whether Joel can live without her and the answer is no. At the cost of the human race he will make sure he doesn’t lose her.
If Marlene “knew” what Ellie would have wanted she would’ve been honest and allowed her to say her goodbye to Joel. But she didn’t know. So she lied. And Ellie is 14 anyway. Who honestly believes a 14yr old is mature enough to make the right decision ?
@@zimvader25 The fact that you think Joel is mature enough to make that choice for her tells me enough about your perspective. As for your other disingenuous shit, Marlene explicitly told Joel that they put her under without telling her because she wouldn't be in pain or be afraid, and sure enough, when she wakes up, she has no idea what happened. If the Fireflies aim to maximize well being for mankind, then that applies similarly to Ellie's well being and the fact is, if she has to die, then putting her through the needless knowledge of her impending death will do nothing for her last moments alive. And funny you should make claims about not knowing, since Marlene clearly did know, because she was exactly right about what Ellie wanted and could easily tell in that very scene that Joel knew that's what she would have wanted by his reaction to her telling him it's what she would want. So you accusing Marlene of not knowing when even Joel knows exactly what she would have wanted (hence the lies) is like the mental gymnastics equivalent of watching a nerd with goose neck trying to do yoga. You try to tie yourself into knots defending falsehoods, yet you fail miserably to even come across like you're right.
The actress who plays Ellie's mother is Ashley Johnson, who did both the voice-acting and motion-capture performance for Ellie in both The Last of Us games. She is the original Ellie. And Joel lied to Ellie because he knew that she absolutely would have sacrificed herself for a chance to produce a cure, and she'd have been furious with him if she knew what he'd done. But she knew anyway. Ellie has an amazing nose for bullshit. I won't give you any spoilers for part 2, but the events in the hospital have consequences.
Joel lied, because unlike us, he is positive that she would have chosen to die a martyr. This is part of his villain arc. He lied so she wouldn't resent him and also so she would abandon the idea of being the cure. I love this game. I love Joel and Ellie. So dont get it twisted. I fully understand his feeling and justifications. The whole show/game is about how not everything is black or white. Its a giant thought experiment in a way. Its designed to make you question things that you felt sure of.
He's not a villain you know. The ethical choices have been presented every episode. Marlene is a villain. She didn't tell Ellie she would be killed in the process like a lab rat for a theory that they didn't even know would work.
@@gailseatonhumbert huh? Joel literally takes Ellie even though he knows that she would want to sacrifice herself. Even just for a chance of a cure. Joel is fully aware of that, but he can't lose another daughter, which is understandable. He is neither hero nor villain. But very flawed and decides to choose Ellie over the chance to save humanity. Same with Marlene. She is a great leader and willing to make tough decisions for the good of the many. Her mistake was to think that Joel hadn't changed since Boston QZ
@@gailseatonhumbert There is no way you are that blind and biased to think Joel isn't a villain. But Marlene is? Lmao okay. He's literally a mass murdered, but go off
@@gailseatonhumbert Joel murdered 30 people to stop what ellie would have wanted. He is absolutely the villain and I love him anyway. Thr show runners know what they are doing.
I had the same reaction as you guys when I played the game 10 years ago. The Fireflies was about to kill the only person they knew were immune to the virus. How did the doctor know this was the only solution? Joel and Ellie was not even in the hospital for more than a few hours. They would barely have time to run tests on her. It takes months for doctors today diagnose a tumor with todays technology. And what kind of doctor kills their patients without their consent? He even pulls a scalpel on Joel, he so desperate to start cutting up Ellie. He could've just stepped out of the way and defused the situation. He reminds me more a certain type of 'doctor' that ran experiments on humans a few decades ago. The Fireflies didn't see Ellie as anything other than a test subject, and they were about to make huge mistake. And they came between Mama Bear and his cub.
"The Fireflies was about to kill the only person they knew were immune to the virus. How did the doctor know this was the only solution?" And that is exactly what makes the Fireflies' approach utterly moronic. When you finally find an immune person you fucking properly study them before jumping into conclusions you can't back away from. Killing off this person who could have so many answers is just idiotic. Not to mention how they didn't ask Ellie anything and didn't even let Joel see her and talk with her so, gotta say, I'd probably have reacted exactly the same way as Joel in this situation. It would set all alarm bells off in my head.
The Fireflies weren't villains at all. One might have even considered them being the good guys. They were simply pragmatic and were thinking on a global scale. There might have been a chance for a cure, but your reaction LITERALLY mimics Joel's actions, ignoring the potential possibility of saving the human kind and instead acting only out of personal emotions. It's not wrong, just well.. Human :)
About the subject of Ellie being a cure the writer Neil Druckman has stated that the surgery would have resulted in a cure 100%. It would be the real deal for a vaccine. Before he stated this that is how I interpreted it when I played the game.
Whilst I knew a few tidbits from the first game, such as Sarah's death occurring on the night of the outbreak and that the story centred around Joel guiding Ellie across country and forming a father-daughter type bond along the way, I haven't actually played the games, so this series has been quite the journey. Ellie's birth scene was amazing... and tragic... and scary... and beautiful... and really interesting as the likely source of her immunity. What a devastating thing for Marlene though. They certainly were very different people, but like Joel, Marlene was someone hardened by this world. They also both made the same mistake at the end, taking the decision away from Ellie. I love that they then opened up with Ellie's trauma and the change in her personality, hard as it was to see. It is realistic, though, the experiences she has had over the previous months would undoubtedly damage a person. Especially a teenager, their hormone riddled bodies and brains being generally ill equipped to deal with their emotions as it is, haha. Some of the conversations in this episode were so well crafted. The one where Joel tells Ellie they can still turn around, go live a quiet life back at Tommie's, and she responds that they have to go all the way with their mission perfectly foreshadows Joel's conflict later in the episode. He knows Ellie would probably choose to die for a shot at saving humanity, but he just can't stand to lose her. I also loved the conversation where Joel discusses trying to kill himself. It was the most honest and vulnerable Joel has been with her throughout. I think he realised she needed that from him, but it was also something he wanted to give to her to show her just how much she meant to him. He was expressing to her that as dark and painful as it may get at times, you will find the light and the beauty again. You will find yourself again. That of course culminated in the moment where he indicates to Ellie that it was she that had healed him from the wound that was the loss of Sarah, she who had led him back to the light, the beauty, and himself again - such a touching moment. Seeing Joel come from being this person who was extremely closed-off and bitter to this moment of trust and hope was such a great representation of that healing and how far their relationship had come. The sound design on the hospital rescue scene (where Joel rescues Ellie from surgery) was amazing. The music was dominant, with the sounds of gunshots, shells pinging on the floor, the occasional agonised scream heard underneath it. That, and the music itself, created a great deal of tension and left a sombre sense in the air. This was no moment of triumph or joy and I think we got that same sombre sense from Joel in the car afterwards. Sure he saved Ellie, but he again had to kill to do it and he understands that he may have just resigned humanity to extinction. You can see in that moment that he's hugely conflicted and he knows that he acted somewhat selfishly. He also knows that Marlene was probably right in that Ellie would have given her life for a cure. Afterall, that's why he lies to her, right? But he still couldn't bring himself to let her go. Whilst we can all make the argument for why Joel should have acted for the greater good, I think we can all also understand why he didn't, so it's super hard to be highly critical of him. I think it's this that makes this ending such a compelling one. Joel and Ellie's final conversation was again brilliantly crafted. In opening up about Riley I think Ellie was essentially saying to Joel, "Hey, this is my deepest, most painful secret and I'm about to be totally honest with you about it, so I expect you to be the same when I ask you about what happened back at the hospital." She obviously has her doubts about Joel's story, but I think she so desperately wants it to be true, so desperately doesn't want to have been betrayed by the one person she trusts and loves in this world, that she's willing herself to accept it. Deep down, however, I think there's a part of her that knows he's lying. Please, no spoilers, but I can't help thinking that Joel's lie is going to come back to bite him in the second game/season. Through all this trauma and adversity they've slowly built a loving relationship on a foundation of openness and trust. This fact was really highlighted by the conversations they shared throughout this episode, so I suspect that trust will be broken when Ellie learns the truth about what happened at the hospital and that she still might hold the potential for a cure. Though it pains me to say, I think this will likely be a major source of conflict between the two next season. Anyway, this first season has been great. The writing, the music, the casting, the directing, the cinematography, the acting, etc, etc, etc has all been top notch. Special mention of course for Bella and Pedro, they've carried this story brilliantly. Thanks for your reactions, let's do it all again come season two.
Ashley Johnson played Ellie in the game and Ellie’s mom in the series and had Ellie’s knife. Marlene is best friends with Ellie’s mom. Giraffe is real. Damn drs and fireflies not telling Ellie she’s not going to survive the procedure. Joel had to lie to Ellie. They went back to Tommy’s town.
Marlene did not lie you could see clearly that it bothers her to let Ellie go in surgery when she said she understands you could see the pain in her face, Marlene was not a bad person actually she was just desperate to save the world yeah she has no right making that decision herself without talking to Ellie first, Joel also shouldn't have lied he should have said the truth but he did it to protect her because sometimes the truth hurt the most. So both Joel and Marlene is wrong here.
@@MurlocBerserker I was hoping they’d ditch the game at this point. The second game means actors having to be changed & to be fair the story is trash in part 2
@@ajclannachan Nah they won't, pretty sure of that. Also I only partially agree. I think that the execution of the story could've been better no doubt, but I like the general concept of the story. Thinking that these kind of actions don't bear consequences is incredibly naive. Especially since they are trying to make the characters believable. If I had the opportunity and the skill required I would've done the same thing in her situation.
Marlene wasn’t 100% sure if killing Ellie for a cure would work so Joel had every right to do what he did. Plus he wasn’t gonna see another kid die in the hands of people again especially since he sees Ellie as his daughter
Anna (Ashley Johnson), the mother of Ellie is the real Ellie from the Video Games (Games 1 and 2). Season 2 is supposed to be very different from Game 2.
I loved seeing Ashley playing Ellies mother what a lovely touch for the end of the season to connect both of them together like that. Ashleys voice, even when she is screaming in pain, is instantly recognisable as OG Ellie. So cool - bring on Season 2 please.
Ikr. At first I didn't recognize her because I've only seen her as a blonde, but her voice when she grunts and screams was a dead giveaway even before she said a word. I love that they found a way to tie her to Ellie while giving an explanation to Ellie's immunity at the same time. I wish they would have gave Troy something better than a badguy to play last episode, but I guess it was kind of cool to have new Ellie kill OG Joel. I'm dying to see who they find for season 2 that looks like Abby, because her physique is really difficult for women to obtain and it's an important part of her character. They'll pretty much need a female body builder that can act.
00:50 LOL technically that pregnant woman is Ellie because that actress was the voice for Ellie in the game. If anyone hasn't played the games I'd recommend doing so unless you don't want to be spoiled for season 2.
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I am sure many will disagree but the way I see it, Joel HAD to lie to Ellie. He felt he had to protect Ellie because if he would have told her the truth then one of 2 things were bound to happen. Either she accepted the lie and forgave Joel making her live with the guilt of withholding the cure to mankind in exchange for her life, or just the opposite, not forgiving Joel for what he did, breaking off their father, daughter relationship, and possibly losing another daughter as Ellie would try to return to Salt Lake City and sacrifice her life for the mere chance that the cure might be successful. Joel couldn't allow that to happen. In his mind he was protecting her from taking that chance. From again losing the one person that meant so much to him. Yes, Joel ultimately sacrificed himself for the sinns he committed, but at least he and Ellie got a chance to live those 4 to 5 years together in relative piece and enjoy a little happiness together. As a father that has lost my first child... I would have done the same!
Beautiful reaction. The debate you two had has been going on since the game was first introduced. It's a situation ethics question similar to those studied at university particularly in medical ethics classes. What is said there is it is unethical and not to be done particularly not on an underage child and not without clear consent. It was just one doctor's theory.
I’m glad you understood that they really don’t know what they’re doing. Any decent scientist would at least start with just taking a biopsy sample. People can have brain biopsies taken without being harmed, so if they just want to reproduce the fungus they should be able to do that. M. They should only do anything fatal as a last resort (and with Ellie’s informed consent). (Also, while in the fiction they may be trying to say she really did get the fungus at birth from that bite, that makes no sense. Maybe if the umbilical cord itself had been bitten, but the bite her Mom got was only minutes or less from the time she was born and separated, and blood does not flow from the mother to the child through the umbilical cord. The bloodstreams are kept separate (naturally) to prevent cross immune reaction and to prevent cross infection. So there’s no way the fungus could’ve traveled to the baby in that short time through the cord.)
Anna (Ashley Johnson), the mother of Ellie is the real Ellie from the Video Games (Games 1 and 2). Season 2 is supposed to be very different from Game 2.
At the end of the day, I would have done the same as Joel. Because I'm a human being.If I knew my daughter was about to be murdered, of course I'd go back in there and prevent that. I don't really think it's about what's "right" and "wrong", those concepts don't work here. Joel didn't even have a decision to make when he prevented Ellie from being murdered. It was set in stone.
Talk about a morally ambiguous ending. On one hand, I get it. Humanity took away what mattered most to Joel and after finding something that close in Ellie again, he wasn't going to let it happen again. I don't know what it's like to be a a father but I would like that someday and having to put myself in Joel's shoes, I'd probably do the same? Not to mention, the Fireflies weren’t giving her much of a choice in the matter. But then again, neither was Joel. It was still a…..selflessly selfish choice that not only doomed the entire world but robbed Ellie of whatever hope she had left for it as well as the choice to choose. It might be refreshing to some people, seeing them finally be together in this "new beginning" but keep this in mind: it's based on a lie. ALL OF IT.
You guys are really making no sense at all, with biased opinions from only Joel's perspective. Why would you assume doctors, surgeons and the leader of the fireflies don't know what they're doing? I'm not saying it would be a 100% guaranteed cure but it would certainly be the most likely to be successful option in the world, and they would have done a tone of research. What Joel did was wrong, selfish and fucked up, plain and simple. Yes, we understand why he did what he did, but it doesn't change his actions of directly murdering many innocent people. Not to mention the cost of potentially indirectly killing billions.
Loved it girls 🔥, hah I love that you said her mom looks like her because that is Ellie 😊, it’s her voice and Body MoCap actress Ashley Johnson she’s amazing. She also voices Pike in Vox Machina 🍻
For argument’s sake, let’s say you’re a doctor at a hospital. You have five patients who each need an organ transplant (kidneys, heart, liver spleen, lung), and they’ll die if you don’t transplant the organs that very night. Then, you have a perfectly healthy innocent patient in the waiting room. If you kill him and harvest his organs you save five lives, but you have to murder him. What do you do? Either way you’re gonna have to live with the guilt. That’s the ethical dilemma that this episode deals with.
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I've never played a game with an ending like this, it's a masterpiece.I think she chose well, if the cure didn't work... I'd stay with Ellie or at least they would have made her decide, but it wasn't like that, I chose Ellie, if you look, there were almost no infected in the last one, everything bad it was for uninfected humans so why save that by sacrificing ellie... to think about it
And realistically, you wouldn't give humanity's hope for a cure a choice anyway. A decision like that is too big for someone like Ellie to make, whether she was given a choice or not.
It's really funny how people empathize with Joel despite the fact that he's obviously insane and is taking the only hope that humanity has for survival.
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I love how 99% of viewers are rooting for our extinction. After 20 years of making absolutely no progress in fighting the outbreak scientists finally have an opportunity to find a cure and save what's left of our species and Joel kills them because he doesn't want to lose Ellie. In reality, that is incredibly selfish. He may have doomed everyone left for his own needs. Great episode though. ;-)
I side with Joel but he should have told Ellie the truth. I understand because he finally had a daughter again but Ellie deserves the truth. I never played the second game so season 2 will be a surprise. Love the reaction
I like Joel, but come on he was objectively wrong. He went against what he knew she’d want and cause the deaths are probably hundreds of thousands of other people, he’s perfectly fine with people dying indiscriminately for his family to live, but wouldn’t accept a person he loved dying to save the entire planet. That’s objectively wrong.
Look, I can understand people being happy cause Joel decided to save Ellie, but cheering with the death of people that were probably devastated knowing that there was no other choice but killing her in order to have a chance to save mankind... Focusing only on the main couple is the easy way of denying reality, the big picture is way more complicated. In my case I would probably have done the same as Joel, but I swear I never cheered while he was killing the fireflies because they got a point too... Otherwise I´m happy Ellie is alive, but only cause Joel had a selfish wish... I´m not sure how good it was...
Both Joel and Marlene made the same mistake, taking the decision away from Ellie and they both did it for selfish reasons. Marlene was scared Ellie would say no to the surgery, Joel was scared she'd say yes. Their motivations are understandable, but ultimately it should have been Ellie's call.
How would a vaccine save mankind? Who would control it or take it? Would cults like David's take it? How about FEDRA? They would take a Firefly vaccine? Infected isn't the biggest problem in the world. People are. A vaccine wouldn't solve that...
@@TrentRidley Morallly perhaps, but logically you're not going to leave the whole worlds fate up to the choice of one child. Maybe it's fucked up but millions of other daughter will continue to die now that the most likely solution is gone. At the end of the day Joel is a mass murderer. He murdered innocent people in the past and he did it again this episode. You can argue a lot of the people he killed was in defence to save Ellie but many were avoidable and unnecessary. He lied to Ellie because he know he did the wrong thing. Marlene could have killed Joel twice, but she gave Joel an opportunity to do the right thing, and he doubled down on his path. We know why Joel did what he did, but it was selfish.
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@00:30 Ellie's mom looks like Ellie because this is the actress who played Ellie in the video game. Nice tribute to her to have her play her mom here. Joel was ruthless. It was shocking. But, when it comes to Ellie, I love the fact that Joel is ruthless.
Yep, I think it was very touching that the Actress who literally brought the original Ellie character to life, does so again in a different meaning. A great choice for the role, much easier to act as a mother to the character when she figuratively is already.
I walk through the valley of the shadow of death
And I fear no evil because I'm blind to it all
And my mind and my gun they comfort me
Because I know I'll kill my enemies when they come
the secret cameo is that the actress who play abby in the second game appear as a nurse at the end
It's kinda ironic though because Bella doesn't look very much like game Ellie, yet somehow a lot like Ashley Johnson, despite game Ellie being partly based on her face.
and laura bailey(abby for the second game)she is one of the nurses(=
He lied to Ellie because he knew Marlene was right. Given the choice Ellie would have said yes. Joel and Marlene both took that choice from her.
Marlene didn’t give Ellie a choice though if she wanted to go through with the surgery or forget about it. Also nobody even Marlene knew if the plan would work 100% so why would Joel just let them kill her over something that wasn’t 100% sure? I think Joel made the right choice
@@vincefavaro1267 Because even tho they don't have 100% sure if it would work they would have to try it with the only person they know is imune, one loss to possibly save many, it's a risk worth taking in their perspective even tho it's a hard decision, ofc in Joel's perspective the choice is obvious, he won't lose another child again and live with all that pain so he brings back the old him, kills everyone to save the only thing that he loves and is keeping him alive, Ellie. Then he lies to her because he knows he did a selfish decision for love and if he told her the truth she would probably want to have importance and meaning to all those peoples lives that could have been saved, the only way of getting out of there with her, was lying to her and hiding the truth from her.
@@vincefavaro1267 That's why I said both Marlene and Joel both took the choice away from Ellie. Marlene forced Ellie into the procedure without asking because she was unwilling to risk Ellie saying no, and Joel lied about slaughtering the Fireflies because he was unwilling to accept yes for an answer if he'd asked her.. and he knows she would have said yes. Marlene wanted to save the world, Joel wanted to save Ellie. In the end they both betrayed Ellie trying to achieve their goals.
@@vincefavaro1267Joel didn’t do it to save her, he did it to save himself. He’s not the hero of the story. Just a broken man in a broken world who thinks he did the right thing.
No way that you shur about Ellie opinion
You have to give her the choice.
You ask her, thats it. You dont know for shur if its gonna works
"What would you do for 'love'... specifically for the 'love' of a child?"
These two wonderful reactors clearly gave their answer in their screams after learning the plan was to kill Ellie for the cure. GREAT REACT!
The way your reactions were every bit as fierce and protective as Joel's where Ellie's concerned - priceless! Really enjoyed hearing your thoughts on this show - THANK YOU!
i never played last of us but seen clips ,ellie was a cute looking girl, why in this series they choosen some girl who looks like greta thurnbergs sister lmao
@@girlsdrinkfeck u never played the games so why do you give a fuck?? I’ve played the games and yea she doesn’t look like Ellie but she’s done a really good job.
@@girlsdrinkfeck because she’s an amazing actor? thought her performance last episode proved that 🤨
@@MaureenLongoriaTheOneAndOnly not doubting her talents ,but the casting isnt right ,ellie is a cute girl ... its the same as the ugly blue fairy in the new pinnochio movie ,why is it now a bald fat black woman ? i think hollyood is too woke and are just sympathy casting now
@@girlsdrinkfeck Get over yourself. Bella Ramsey is adorable.
Let's just say they made Joel's choice a lot more ambiguous and morally gray than in the game. In the game, the Fireflies knocked him out when he was pumping out Ellie who had drowned in the water, they were not going to return his backpack to him (he found it himself) and even more so to pay him for delivering Ellie with weapons, it was not explained exactly how the vaccine would work and why they could not conduct experiments on Ellie's blood. In the series, Ellie is treated much more carefully, Joel was going to return his things and be paid, how the vaccine works, explained quite realistically. At the same time, Joel kills people who have already surrendered, and not just armed ones (although he spared the nurses).
However, in both cases, Ellie was not allowed to make a choice and give consent or refusal. Despite the fact that she is a minor and has not reached the age of consent ... And most importantly, even if the vaccine is administered to all people (which is impossible), it still will not save the world. Millions of infected people who tear and devour people, thousands of cannibals and robbers will not go anywhere, and there will simply not be enough hands and heads to restore the energy grid, the economy and the social system. So summing up, I'm still on the side of Joel.
Yep me too
Ellie's little laugh and smile warmed my heart. She's so adorable. She's rough and tough but she's still just a little girl underneath it all.
The actress who played Ellie's mom in the flashback was the voice actress and mocap of Ellie in the games - Ashley Johnson. So it was actually the other way around, they knew who Ellie's mom was going to be before they got Bella Ramsey to play Ellie and Ashley herself specifically requested and vetted Bella for the role.
The lights in the back made me think I had water droplets on my phone 😂😂😂 kept trying to wipe them up lmao
Me tooo 😂😂😂
top-quality television show with a strong narrative and very compelling characters. the best live-action recreation of a videogame. ❤🔥
Super excited for Season 2
If Ellie is only 14, there's no way that he should have told her. Joe is just trying to keep her alive as long as possible
Well, true, but if he said the truth, she wouldn’t stay with him for sure. So, he was protecting her and their relationship aswell
Ellie is 14 in a zombie apocalypse, I don't think you should flat out lie to kids of any age, but Ellie in this situation is way more adult than kid.
I love when Ellie (the UA-camr) has that look of panic on her face. 🥰❤️ It’s funny and cute all at the same time.
ND: The original ending that for a long time we discussed is Ellie would believe the lie and you’d see them walking off to Tommy’s town and the camera would track up and you’d feel like, they’re going to be ok. It was about a week before we shot that scene and we thought, this isn’t honest, this doesn’t feel right, Ellie would know, I don’t buy it, we have to change this.
This is an Ashley thing but no matter what the acting direction is, she’s going to nod her head and be like, ‘OK… OK’. And throughout shooting, a lot of her improvisation for Ellie involved saying, ‘ok’. And I thought, you have to end on that. Whatever it is Joel tells her, she has to just be like, ‘ok’.
So Ashley, when you’d say that to Neil, you weren’t being glib, it really was a matter of trusting his direction. Is that the same feeling you wanted Ellie to communicate to Joel?
AJ: That’s how I was playing it. Obviously she has a bullshit detector, she clearly knows he’s lying, but she says, alright, let’s see where this goes.
ND: And it’s also like, how do you approach that? Would she start asking very detailed questions? Why would they release me before I woke up? Why wouldn’t I talk to someone before leaving? Was Marlene there? No, she would just ask the one obvious question: are you lying?
The woman who plays Ellie's mom is the actual voice actor for Ellie in the game
the actress looks like she got downs lol, whoever did the casting needs shooting , ellie is suppose to be cute not have a condition
At least you know there is a season 2 … imagine playing this game for the first time and it ended like that ?? 😂
It's better than knowing what's actually coming....
It was a far better ending than 2.
Yeah, I'm glad for season 2, it's gonna be awesome as an adaptation stg
@@Сайтамен part 2 the game isnt exactly bad its actually quite good. the only reason people dont like it because of a certain event that happend that no one liked. ( keeping it spoiler free )
@@Сайтамен part 2 is a Masterpiece
Marlene betrayed her friend. When you promise your best friend to protect the child and kind of be a parent, she sealed her fate.
Betray a friend or betray humand Kindle. Mmmhhhhh
I believe trying to save what's left of humanity is priority one rather than keeping whatever sentimental promise Marlene made to her friend who's already dead. There are bigger issues to worry about.
I'm a big fan of the game part 1 and 2 and have spent long hours playing both and really loved the story, action sequences and surving, I loved the T.V series too and really hope they make another for the second part.
What really intrigued me was the relationship that Ellie and Joel build and how they navigate through the series and games, just so thrilling, epic.
Thank you both as I will get around to watching your reactions its so entertaining 🙂
So great to experience this story anew through your eyes! Great reaction series, Homies! The long wait begins!
You girls reaction at 11:21 was exactly how I reacted when I first played the game back in 2013 😂
”Why does he lie to her?”
Because he knows that she would have wanted this and would hate him if she knew the truth of what he did!
Marlene was literally right, they both know what Ellie would have wanted. This isn’t about letting her choose, this is about whether Joel can live without her and the answer is no. At the cost of the human race he will make sure he doesn’t lose her.
If Marlene “knew” what Ellie would have wanted she would’ve been honest and allowed her to say her goodbye to Joel. But she didn’t know. So she lied. And Ellie is 14 anyway. Who honestly believes a 14yr old is mature enough to make the right decision ?
@@zimvader25 The fact that you think Joel is mature enough to make that choice for her tells me enough about your perspective. As for your other disingenuous shit, Marlene explicitly told Joel that they put her under without telling her because she wouldn't be in pain or be afraid, and sure enough, when she wakes up, she has no idea what happened.
If the Fireflies aim to maximize well being for mankind, then that applies similarly to Ellie's well being and the fact is, if she has to die, then putting her through the needless knowledge of her impending death will do nothing for her last moments alive.
And funny you should make claims about not knowing, since Marlene clearly did know, because she was exactly right about what Ellie wanted and could easily tell in that very scene that Joel knew that's what she would have wanted by his reaction to her telling him it's what she would want.
So you accusing Marlene of not knowing when even Joel knows exactly what she would have wanted (hence the lies) is like the mental gymnastics equivalent of watching a nerd with goose neck trying to do yoga. You try to tie yourself into knots defending falsehoods, yet you fail miserably to even come across like you're right.
I think when she said "okay" at the end, she knows he's hiding something, but she's alright with it.
I think she's afraid to think that he's lying because the truth is something horrible, so she chooses to believe him.
The actress who plays Ellie's mother is Ashley Johnson, who did both the voice-acting and motion-capture performance for Ellie in both The Last of Us games. She is the original Ellie. And Joel lied to Ellie because he knew that she absolutely would have sacrificed herself for a chance to produce a cure, and she'd have been furious with him if she knew what he'd done. But she knew anyway. Ellie has an amazing nose for bullshit. I won't give you any spoilers for part 2, but the events in the hospital have consequences.
No, they didn't know Ellie was Immune till she get bite and move to Firefly, Marline send her to Fera just for safe
A lot of time went by that is why Joel looks so good
Joel lied, because unlike us, he is positive that she would have chosen to die a martyr. This is part of his villain arc. He lied so she wouldn't resent him and also so she would abandon the idea of being the cure. I love this game. I love Joel and Ellie. So dont get it twisted. I fully understand his feeling and justifications. The whole show/game is about how not everything is black or white. Its a giant thought experiment in a way. Its designed to make you question things that you felt sure of.
He's not a villain you know. The ethical choices have been presented every episode. Marlene is a villain. She didn't tell Ellie she would be killed in the process like a lab rat for a theory that they didn't even know would work.
Joel is not a villain the hell
@@gailseatonhumbert huh? Joel literally takes Ellie even though he knows that she would want to sacrifice herself. Even just for a chance of a cure.
Joel is fully aware of that, but he can't lose another daughter, which is understandable. He is neither hero nor villain. But very flawed and decides to choose Ellie over the chance to save humanity.
Same with Marlene. She is a great leader and willing to make tough decisions for the good of the many. Her mistake was to think that Joel hadn't changed since Boston QZ
@@gailseatonhumbert There is no way you are that blind and biased to think Joel isn't a villain. But Marlene is? Lmao okay. He's literally a mass murdered, but go off
@@gailseatonhumbert Joel murdered 30 people to stop what ellie would have wanted. He is absolutely the villain and I love him anyway. Thr show runners know what they are doing.
I had the same reaction as you guys when I played the game 10 years ago. The Fireflies was about to kill the only person they knew were immune to the virus. How did the doctor know this was the only solution? Joel and Ellie was not even in the hospital for more than a few hours. They would barely have time to run tests on her. It takes months for doctors today diagnose a tumor with todays technology. And what kind of doctor kills their patients without their consent? He even pulls a scalpel on Joel, he so desperate to start cutting up Ellie. He could've just stepped out of the way and defused the situation. He reminds me more a certain type of 'doctor' that ran experiments on humans a few decades ago. The Fireflies didn't see Ellie as anything other than a test subject, and they were about to make huge mistake.
And they came between Mama Bear and his cub.
"The Fireflies was about to kill the only person they knew were immune to the virus. How did the doctor know this was the only solution?" And that is exactly what makes the Fireflies' approach utterly moronic. When you finally find an immune person you fucking properly study them before jumping into conclusions you can't back away from. Killing off this person who could have so many answers is just idiotic. Not to mention how they didn't ask Ellie anything and didn't even let Joel see her and talk with her so, gotta say, I'd probably have reacted exactly the same way as Joel in this situation. It would set all alarm bells off in my head.
The Fireflies weren't villains at all. One might have even considered them being the good guys. They were simply pragmatic and were thinking on a global scale.
There might have been a chance for a cure, but your reaction LITERALLY mimics Joel's actions, ignoring the potential possibility of saving the human kind and instead acting only out of personal emotions.
It's not wrong, just well.. Human :)
About the subject of Ellie being a cure the writer Neil Druckman has stated that the surgery would have resulted in a cure 100%. It would be the real deal for a vaccine. Before he stated this that is how I interpreted it when I played the game.
Whilst I knew a few tidbits from the first game, such as Sarah's death occurring on the night of the outbreak and that the story centred around Joel guiding Ellie across country and forming a father-daughter type bond along the way, I haven't actually played the games, so this series has been quite the journey.
Ellie's birth scene was amazing... and tragic... and scary... and beautiful... and really interesting as the likely source of her immunity. What a devastating thing for Marlene though. They certainly were very different people, but like Joel, Marlene was someone hardened by this world. They also both made the same mistake at the end, taking the decision away from Ellie.
I love that they then opened up with Ellie's trauma and the change in her personality, hard as it was to see. It is realistic, though, the experiences she has had over the previous months would undoubtedly damage a person. Especially a teenager, their hormone riddled bodies and brains being generally ill equipped to deal with their emotions as it is, haha.
Some of the conversations in this episode were so well crafted. The one where Joel tells Ellie they can still turn around, go live a quiet life back at Tommie's, and she responds that they have to go all the way with their mission perfectly foreshadows Joel's conflict later in the episode. He knows Ellie would probably choose to die for a shot at saving humanity, but he just can't stand to lose her.
I also loved the conversation where Joel discusses trying to kill himself. It was the most honest and vulnerable Joel has been with her throughout. I think he realised she needed that from him, but it was also something he wanted to give to her to show her just how much she meant to him. He was expressing to her that as dark and painful as it may get at times, you will find the light and the beauty again. You will find yourself again. That of course culminated in the moment where he indicates to Ellie that it was she that had healed him from the wound that was the loss of Sarah, she who had led him back to the light, the beauty, and himself again - such a touching moment. Seeing Joel come from being this person who was extremely closed-off and bitter to this moment of trust and hope was such a great representation of that healing and how far their relationship had come.
The sound design on the hospital rescue scene (where Joel rescues Ellie from surgery) was amazing. The music was dominant, with the sounds of gunshots, shells pinging on the floor, the occasional agonised scream heard underneath it. That, and the music itself, created a great deal of tension and left a sombre sense in the air. This was no moment of triumph or joy and I think we got that same sombre sense from Joel in the car afterwards. Sure he saved Ellie, but he again had to kill to do it and he understands that he may have just resigned humanity to extinction. You can see in that moment that he's hugely conflicted and he knows that he acted somewhat selfishly. He also knows that Marlene was probably right in that Ellie would have given her life for a cure. Afterall, that's why he lies to her, right? But he still couldn't bring himself to let her go. Whilst we can all make the argument for why Joel should have acted for the greater good, I think we can all also understand why he didn't, so it's super hard to be highly critical of him. I think it's this that makes this ending such a compelling one.
Joel and Ellie's final conversation was again brilliantly crafted. In opening up about Riley I think Ellie was essentially saying to Joel, "Hey, this is my deepest, most painful secret and I'm about to be totally honest with you about it, so I expect you to be the same when I ask you about what happened back at the hospital." She obviously has her doubts about Joel's story, but I think she so desperately wants it to be true, so desperately doesn't want to have been betrayed by the one person she trusts and loves in this world, that she's willing herself to accept it. Deep down, however, I think there's a part of her that knows he's lying. Please, no spoilers, but I can't help thinking that Joel's lie is going to come back to bite him in the second game/season. Through all this trauma and adversity they've slowly built a loving relationship on a foundation of openness and trust. This fact was really highlighted by the conversations they shared throughout this episode, so I suspect that trust will be broken when Ellie learns the truth about what happened at the hospital and that she still might hold the potential for a cure. Though it pains me to say, I think this will likely be a major source of conflict between the two next season.
Anyway, this first season has been great. The writing, the music, the casting, the directing, the cinematography, the acting, etc, etc, etc has all been top notch. Special mention of course for Bella and Pedro, they've carried this story brilliantly.
Thanks for your reactions, let's do it all again come season two.
this is the best reaction i have seen you two are so cute you reacted so well
Ashley Johnson played Ellie in the game and Ellie’s mom in the series and had Ellie’s knife. Marlene is best friends with Ellie’s mom. Giraffe is real. Damn drs and fireflies not telling Ellie she’s not going to survive the procedure. Joel had to lie to Ellie. They went back to Tommy’s town.
"OH, it looks like Ellie".
That's because it is Ashley Johnson, Who played Ellie in the games.
u 2 are such great reactors, Ellie n Lia......
Love it. I hope they come back here in Alberta again to shoot the second series again. 🙏
Marlene did not lie you could see clearly that it bothers her to let Ellie go in surgery when she said she understands you could see the pain in her face, Marlene was not a bad person actually she was just desperate to save the world yeah she has no right making that decision herself without talking to Ellie first, Joel also shouldn't have lied he should have said the truth but he did it to protect her because sometimes the truth hurt the most. So both Joel and Marlene is wrong here.
They ended the episode just like the game exactly btw the actress who played Ellie mom it’s actually the OG ELLIE from the game .
Ellie’s mom is the actor and voice actor for Ellie in the game.
You girls made me laugh at how ruthless you both are 😂
Well I hope they are ready for Part II cause Joel was also ruthless. I don't want to spoil anything if you haven't played the game, but be prepared.
@@MurlocBerserker I was hoping they’d ditch the game at this point. The second game means actors having to be changed & to be fair the story is trash in part 2
@@ajclannachan Nah they won't, pretty sure of that. Also I only partially agree. I think that the execution of the story could've been better no doubt, but I like the general concept of the story. Thinking that these kind of actions don't bear consequences is incredibly naive. Especially since they are trying to make the characters believable. If I had the opportunity and the skill required I would've done the same thing in her situation.
@@ajclannachan I loved the story in the second game.
@@pinklefoo I’m glad. The game was very stiff and dated when I played. It was such a struggle.
"What would you do for your little girl?"
"Anything".
Joel just took away humanity's chance at a cure. I fail to see how that's something to be proud of.
Marlene wasn’t 100% sure if killing Ellie for a cure would work so Joel had every right to do what he did. Plus he wasn’t gonna see another kid die in the hands of people again especially since he sees Ellie as his daughter
L take.
W take
W take
I'm pretty sure Ellie doesn't believe him. She wants to be protected by Joel more than she wants the truth.
Save who you can save. He could save her, so he did.
13:40 technically it's life ! Not just a show but in IRAN there isn't any "Hope" we lost that thing many years ago
I'm already ready for season 2
No
@@RM-qj8cs 🤡cry louder
Anna (Ashley Johnson), the mother of Ellie is the real Ellie from the Video Games (Games 1 and 2).
Season 2 is supposed to be very different from Game 2.
@@Taubi81only a bit different because they’re making it longer and making it into a proper show but it’s still gonna follow a similar storyline.
Season 2 came out like 3 years ago lol.
amazing reaction ladies ❤
I loved seeing Ashley playing Ellies mother what a lovely touch for the end of the season to connect both of them together like that. Ashleys voice, even when she is screaming in pain, is instantly recognisable as OG Ellie. So cool - bring on Season 2 please.
Ikr. At first I didn't recognize her because I've only seen her as a blonde, but her voice when she grunts and screams was a dead giveaway even before she said a word. I love that they found a way to tie her to Ellie while giving an explanation to Ellie's immunity at the same time. I wish they would have gave Troy something better than a badguy to play last episode, but I guess it was kind of cool to have new Ellie kill OG Joel. I'm dying to see who they find for season 2 that looks like Abby, because her physique is really difficult for women to obtain and it's an important part of her character. They'll pretty much need a female body builder that can act.
The giraffes are part CGI part real giraffes from Calgary zoo here in Canada 😀
When all is said and done, Episode 3 is the happiest - ironically "feel good".
The actress who plays Ellie's mom is called Ashley Johnson and it's actually her who plays Ellie in the games 😉
00:50 LOL technically that pregnant woman is Ellie because that actress was the voice for Ellie in the game. If anyone hasn't played the games I'd recommend doing so unless you don't want to be spoiled for season 2.
Ashley Johnson playing Ellie's mom is the OG Ellie from the game 🥹
1:01 The woman is the voice actress who plays Ellie in the game.
Would love to see your reaction to the fantastic "new" WW1 movie "All Quiet on the Western Front". But if you should decide to watch it one day, please choose the great original german dub with english subtitles instead of the subpar english dub. It really adds to the atmosphere.
I am sure many will disagree but the way I see it, Joel HAD to lie to Ellie. He felt he had to protect Ellie because if he would have told her the truth then one of 2 things were bound to happen. Either she accepted the lie and forgave Joel making her live with the guilt of withholding the cure to mankind in exchange for her life, or just the opposite, not forgiving Joel for what he did, breaking off their father, daughter relationship, and possibly losing another daughter as Ellie would try to return to Salt Lake City and sacrifice her life for the mere chance that the cure might be successful. Joel couldn't allow that to happen. In his mind he was protecting her from taking that chance. From again losing the one person that meant so much to him. Yes, Joel ultimately sacrificed himself for the sinns he committed, but at least he and Ellie got a chance to live those 4 to 5 years together in relative piece and enjoy a little happiness together. As a father that has lost my first child... I would have done the same!
it's certain that with you two in charge, humanity would have no chance of recovery. No pragmatism.🙄
Beautiful reaction. The debate you two had has been going on since the game was first introduced. It's a situation ethics question similar to those studied at university particularly in medical ethics classes. What is said there is it is unethical and not to be done particularly not on an underage child and not without clear consent. It was just one doctor's theory.
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I’m glad you understood that they really don’t know what they’re doing. Any decent scientist would at least start with just taking a biopsy sample. People can have brain biopsies taken without being harmed, so if they just want to reproduce the fungus they should be able to do that. M. They should only do anything fatal as a last resort (and with Ellie’s informed consent).
(Also, while in the fiction they may be trying to say she really did get the fungus at birth from that bite, that makes no sense. Maybe if the umbilical cord itself had been bitten, but the bite her Mom got was only minutes or less from the time she was born and separated, and blood does not flow from the mother to the child through the umbilical cord. The bloodstreams are kept separate (naturally) to prevent cross immune reaction and to prevent cross infection. So there’s no way the fungus could’ve traveled to the baby in that short time through the cord.)
Anna (Ashley Johnson), the mother of Ellie is the real Ellie from the Video Games (Games 1 and 2).
Season 2 is supposed to be very different from Game 2.
At the end of the day, I would have done the same as Joel. Because I'm a human being.If I knew my daughter was about to be murdered, of course I'd go back in there and prevent that.
I don't really think it's about what's "right" and "wrong", those concepts don't work here. Joel didn't even have a decision to make when he prevented Ellie from being murdered. It was set in stone.
Talk about a morally ambiguous ending.
On one hand, I get it. Humanity took away what mattered most to Joel and after finding something that close in Ellie again, he wasn't going to let it happen again. I don't know what it's like to be a a father but I would like that someday and having to put myself in Joel's shoes, I'd probably do the same? Not to mention, the Fireflies weren’t giving her much of a choice in the matter.
But then again, neither was Joel. It was still a…..selflessly selfish choice that not only doomed the entire world but robbed Ellie of whatever hope she had left for it as well as the choice to choose. It might be refreshing to some people, seeing them finally be together in this "new beginning" but keep this in mind: it's based on a lie.
ALL OF IT.
Am I the only one who thinks Marlene was 100% right and Joel 100% wrong?
You guys are really making no sense at all, with biased opinions from only Joel's perspective. Why would you assume doctors, surgeons and the leader of the fireflies don't know what they're doing? I'm not saying it would be a 100% guaranteed cure but it would certainly be the most likely to be successful option in the world, and they would have done a tone of research. What Joel did was wrong, selfish and fucked up, plain and simple. Yes, we understand why he did what he did, but it doesn't change his actions of directly murdering many innocent people. Not to mention the cost of potentially indirectly killing billions.
After we played the first game we had to wait SEVEN YEARS for a sequel!
Would love to see all of you react to "Psycho" (1960). It's one of Alfred Hitchcock's masterpieces.
Had Joel told Ellie the truth, it would have made her unhappy and her happiness is his top priority.
Loved it girls 🔥, hah I love that you said her mom looks like her because that is Ellie 😊, it’s her voice and Body MoCap actress Ashley Johnson she’s amazing. She also voices Pike in Vox Machina 🍻
Marlene was right tho. Wouldn’t you save all of humanity if you had the chance?
That’s the point. The world or your daughter/son. Logically you are right but 100% of parents know the answer is not the world.
Crazy hearing Ellie's voice from the game.
For argument’s sake, let’s say you’re a doctor at a hospital. You have five patients who each need an organ transplant (kidneys, heart, liver spleen, lung), and they’ll die if you don’t transplant the organs that very night. Then, you have a perfectly healthy innocent patient in the waiting room. If you kill him and harvest his organs you save five lives, but you have to murder him. What do you do? Either way you’re gonna have to live with the guilt. That’s the ethical dilemma that this episode deals with.
He was trying to cheer Ellie up cause she was down after what happened in the last episode she is trumatized
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I've never played a game with an ending like this, it's a masterpiece.I think she chose well, if the cure didn't work... I'd stay with Ellie or at least they would have made her decide, but it wasn't like that, I chose Ellie, if you look, there were almost no infected in the last one, everything bad it was for uninfected humans so why save that by sacrificing ellie... to think about it
Carnival Row, I advise the series, you will not lose. The second season has just been released. It will be interesting. Enjoy watching.
Ellie was never given the choice, Marlene chose for her.
And realistically, you wouldn't give humanity's hope for a cure a choice anyway. A decision like that is too big for someone like Ellie to make, whether she was given a choice or not.
Joel still thinks of his daughter as the girl she was, but in reality if she was still alive she would be 30+ years old now...
I don’t know how people get to the end of this story and don’t think Joel is a nut job
Last episode of this movie 🍿 I enjoyed these episodes too much as I can, love this story. The last of us forever ♾ 🌌💯
Actually only Marlene understands
It's really funny how people empathize with Joel despite the fact that he's obviously insane and is taking the only hope that humanity has for survival.
Hell yeah, brother.
He deliver the kid to her death he cant live with that
12:08 -12:20
Didn’t understand a word she said 🤣🤣🤣
It's sad you are forced to pump out this content and told how to behave before watching every video I hope one day you can break free. Unsubbed, reported, extremely concerned
I suggestion you should watch bohemian Rhapsody it’s a good movie
I love how 99% of viewers are rooting for our extinction. After 20 years of making absolutely no progress in fighting the outbreak scientists finally have an opportunity to find a cure and save what's left of our species and Joel kills them because he doesn't want to lose Ellie. In reality, that is incredibly selfish. He may have doomed everyone left for his own needs. Great episode though. ;-)
I side with Joel but he should have told Ellie the truth. I understand because he finally had a daughter again but Ellie deserves the truth. I never played the second game so season 2 will be a surprise. Love the reaction
I like Joel, but come on he was objectively wrong. He went against what he knew she’d want and cause the deaths are probably hundreds of thousands of other people, he’s perfectly fine with people dying indiscriminately for his family to live, but wouldn’t accept a person he loved dying to save the entire planet. That’s objectively wrong.
Marlene- knew Ellie as a newborn for all of a week or so
Every UA-cam psychologist commentator- “mArLeNe KnEw wHat eLliE wOulDvE wAnTeD”.
Joel offing Dr Jerry Anderson is going to haunt him cause his daughter Abby Anderson is coming.
Shhhh
btw ellie and leah .... its so green cause its filmed in canada lol
Please watch We Were Soldiers
Didn’t Ellie say she played the game , like she doesn’t remember anything 😂
Look, I can understand people being happy cause Joel decided to save Ellie, but cheering with the death of people that were probably devastated knowing that there was no other choice but killing her in order to have a chance to save mankind... Focusing only on the main couple is the easy way of denying reality, the big picture is way more complicated. In my case I would probably have done the same as Joel, but I swear I never cheered while he was killing the fireflies because they got a point too... Otherwise I´m happy Ellie is alive, but only cause Joel had a selfish wish... I´m not sure how good it was...
Both Joel and Marlene made the same mistake, taking the decision away from Ellie and they both did it for selfish reasons. Marlene was scared Ellie would say no to the surgery, Joel was scared she'd say yes. Their motivations are understandable, but ultimately it should have been Ellie's call.
How would a vaccine save mankind? Who would control it or take it? Would cults like David's take it? How about FEDRA? They would take a Firefly vaccine? Infected isn't the biggest problem in the world. People are. A vaccine wouldn't solve that...
And so on to Season 2...
@@TrentRidley Morallly perhaps, but logically you're not going to leave the whole worlds fate up to the choice of one child. Maybe it's fucked up but millions of other daughter will continue to die now that the most likely solution is gone.
At the end of the day Joel is a mass murderer. He murdered innocent people in the past and he did it again this episode. You can argue a lot of the people he killed was in defence to save Ellie but many were avoidable and unnecessary. He lied to Ellie because he know he did the wrong thing. Marlene could have killed Joel twice, but she gave Joel an opportunity to do the right thing, and he doubled down on his path. We know why Joel did what he did, but it was selfish.
This season finale left me torn.
Exactly the aim.
@@gobsmack84 I know.
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They really used a new born in the show lol
Wait until they find out that Joel dies... In the most HORRIFIC way possible.
RRR reaction
Craig Mazin is the one behind CHERNOBYL and 2008s SUPERHERO MOVIE
Sadly, BORDERLANDS won't have the same level of quality because of AVI ARAD
He's gonna ruin it the same way he ruined TASM2 and MORBIUS
Bro shoulda said kobe cus that was a great flashbang through