"Open Source bad because IT'S GOOD!" according to the president of stupid town
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godot also released the godot robot as a makeship plushie
I know, I want one
if something has a mascot, you know it's good
Go Dot
One guy. ONE GUY. Made photopea for a fucking browser.
Yet nobody can implement the same tools as well into other open source applications with much more performance that can use your computer fully.
I'm just ashamed I've spent 10 years programming C# in Unity, shading, HLSL, front end web development etc and I'm zero at doing what he accomplished at a younger age than me.
He's a real master.
tru
There's a reason so many apps use electron nowadays, it's genuinely easier to do shit in the browser than using native GUI frameworks
Remember 1 advice in programming about "dont reinvent the wheel"?
Hell, I (and maybe you too) could probably be able to make a custom compiler for our own programming language within 1 to 3 years of learning or maybe making a fully working game engine that without openGL and fully run on terminal using ASCII art for visual if given enough money, and the keyword is " If given enough money"
Because in the end of the day nobody, and i mean NOBODY, could pay me ENOUGH for me to make any of those thing. And even if they did then they're stupid cuz i know for a fact that theres at the very least some deprecated library that can do just that out there on github.
It's not about the craziest inovation or the futurest technology, its about the utilisation of the tool. The guy you mentioned maybe know how to do 1 things but cant do other things just like how web developers most of the times struggles with some of the easiest tools like python or how python users -sometimes- most of the times cant comprehend OOP as simple as inheritance or enums
Also, he's a master from a young age cuz he already has a resources at a young age. When i was a kid my parents dont even allow me near computer until high School. If i were to not only allowed but even encouraged back then I'll probably code kernel with my eyes closed right now. All masters starts somewhere and your progress to become a grandmaster is not about them it's about you, you need to start to make something for yourself and master it to the fullest to become a master of something
That guy made content aware fill and it works great, correct me if im wrong but photopea is not open source yet, i remember someone asked him and he said he wanted to but for now he said he thinks it will lower his paycheck if he does, its understandable for now, as long as he doesnt vanish and dont post the code im totally fine with his approach, Photopea is so good i dont feel the need to even touch photoshop anymore
“Open source bad cuz it makes it so bigger companies can’t capitalize on those softwares”
OH NO WHAT WILL THE CEO OF ADOBE DO NOW THAT HE CAN ONLY BUY 2 GIANT YACHTS INSTEAD OF 3
@@AlexMikula I thought underthemayo immediately lol
@@the_cloaker lmao
They do. UA-cam uses the open source image encoding software.
I think "Source First" is also a fun way to go forward. Idea is to be better than close source paid alternatives with free trial forever. But there is a buy button. You can fork unless you change where the pay button goes, e.i. you can delete it but cannot redirect to yourself. I guess FUTO foundation still plans to change license so that there is a legal way to replace them if FUTO goes bankrupt.
@@AlexMikula ITs nOt DoOm so iTs TRasH
3:02 I've used GIMP for years before switching to Krita, and I say with full confidence that you CAN outline text and make unique shapes with the tools available. Hell you can even add your own assets and tools if you want straight from the Internet. So, yeah, definitely debunking that statement right off the bat.
Edit: The text tutorial Alex did is just way too perfect. XD
pretty much he's complaining about how small open source projects are "bad" cause they're not the same as a multibillonary company project, yea sounds fair LMAO
Wasnt the point more about how the projects are less coordinated and how open source is more focused on beeing designed for and by developers, rather than beeing designed for everyone?
I agree with the message, but the arguments are terrible
The person reacting to the video complains about the video not addressing points that are addressed in the video later, missrepresents the points in the reacted video, completely forgets the start of the video(saying that open source can be great at the start and then the person reacting being confused about them saying that again near the end), says arguments that contradict each other and complain about something the video never said(i dont think the video ever said that closed source software is superior, sorry if i missed it)
There are still problems with the video that is being reacted to, but, please, dont missrepresent a video, complaining that it is missrepresenting something
1:35 We can tell lol. Anyways, I'm not sure if the video is a joke, but Eric is right about open-source programs often having worse UIs (Gimp, Inkscape, LibreOffice, etc.).Though I think he exaggerates the issue. Most of them are good enough alternatives (except Photoshop and DaVinci Resolve for professionals). The real problem in my opinion is that since everyone tries doing their own thing, there's a lack of consistency sometimes (e.g. Libadwaita apps looking out of place on anything other than Gnome).
tru bro
Anything using qt looks good pretty much universally. Gtk, not as much. But on linux qt looks times better because wow actually good customization at system level? Couldn't be windows. I'd agree with you about gimp maybe 10 years ago when it had the 10 separate windows but modern gimp has a purely functional interface. Libreoffice has literally a perfectly comprehensive UI so idk what your problem with that is. Plus you can customize it, imagine that. (You can make it ribboned like in MS office wow more clicks to do the same yippee). Inkscape though I can agree with. It's unintuitive in a lot of ways, some options are overly obfuscated for no good reason and etc. I've used the whatever adobe app for vector drawing and I must say it's much better. Except for the fact that it takes 8 cores running at 100% of 12 gen i5 CPU to MOVE A RECTANGLE TO THE LEFT IN AN OTHERWISE EMPTY SCENE. But function wise it's definitely ahead by a ton. Sad that there isn't a good open source vector drawing alternative. There's one by KDE but it's incredibly basic.
@@mikediz7353 I still find GIMP to be unintuitive and prefer Krita. As for LibreOffice, Writer and Calc are pretty decent. It's mostly Impress that's lacking in my opinion. There are better alternatives like revealjs, but I was speaking from the POV of a regular end user.
Gimp interface is better than Photoshop
@@Rmobylera bro are you high
Just pirate Adobe products
It's basically legal now
I’d rather not risk getting 10 million stds on my pc
@@AlexMikula womp womp this landlubber doesn’t know how to virustotal
@@AlexMikula r/GenP. It is INSANE
@@AlexMikula
Lmao real
this video is just so bad, i feel like im watching a 13 year old trying to make a opinion channel
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@@fgclue 👍
Bad response video starter pack:
- Shouting every sentence
- Making voices like a 5 year old
- The worst tf2 spy gameplay i have ever seen holy shit
- Basically missing the point of the video
like bro the brainrot levels get so crazy at some points its actually insane
- 12:08 my brother in christ you just showed the same identical ui but scaled up
- 16:21 isnt that what you have been doing the whole video? he just brought up how lots of open source software are generally agreed upon to be worse than paid counterparts, yet you make it seem like hes saying every single open source software is automatically bad???
- 18:28 translation using different words: "Dude, if you are gonna compare open source software to closed off software, of course its gonna lose! its an unfair match up" basically proving the guys point
- 20:14 ah yes because saying the good about open source is "not stupid" but saying the bad is "stupid". its always 2 sides of a coin man you just portray open source like it was fucking sent from god while he showed both good and bad while saying how we can improve it
Being unable to realize that something has good and bad sides and hating on people that point them out to focus on them and help fix those issues might be the most delusional thing i have seen all week
Bad comment starter pack
- saying I missed the point without fucking explaining the point like EVERYBODY ELSE like a robot
- 16:21 that's exactly what he was saying cause he wants to suck off adobe
- 18:28 cry harder that's what you get for having high asf expectations
- 20:14 no he just whined like a toddler about how "IT'S BAAAAAAAAAD!"
yes there are flaws with the programs but he just hyperfocused on those problems without seeing the good
@@AlexMikula he does see the good, he does talk about it while you scream like a toddler because loud = funny about blender. The point of the video is to focus on those issues to GET THEM FIXED. Making a video meatriding open source does not help make it better in any way and the same goes for hating on people pointing out those flaws. Of course he does hyper focus on the problems he talks about, you don’t see issue reports on GitHub talking about good things since those have no need to be fixed.
He does not want to “suck off” adobe (unlike you with gimp), he wants to list why photoshop is the vastly agreed upon superior software so gimp can get better, but you were to busy justifying having to make a new layer to outline text so you probably missed that
Sad thing is both of y’all are on open source team and while you are out here trying to shoot down criticism he is trying to make an improvement
@@ginnogianni1980 I don't suck off gimp lol, and if his video was to say to fix the issues with the software it sure as shit didn't come off like that and that title and thumbnail of his isn't helping his case either
@@AlexMikulahonestly i saw the video pretty quickly after it was released and hadnt really seen it since then but that was literally the only take away I had when watching the video. He had a long part about how open source software is often designed by and for developers and thusly lacks some of the finer parts of UX design, that would have been gained if focused on.
@@AlexMikuladont judge a book by its cover
Most annoying UA-camr fr.
Now tell me how could we improve something if we don't criticize it and admit that it has its flaws and there is a room for improvement? Eric has solid points, a lot of open source software miss one critical part which is UX. Listen, we are all enthusiasts and we pursue the FOSS movement to replace proprietary software and escape from the mass surveillance imposed by the big tech companies backed by govs. I can't convince a normie to switch, not at this state, we don't even possess a good open source *nix desktop env that can match windows. So yeah, the criticism is valid. You're just missing the point Eric was trying to make.
if you say something has flaws you better show me how or you look like a total retard like Eric, and you all need to stop telling me about Eric's non existent point because none of yall have told me what his actual point is
3:02 congrats, you are technically correct that you can in fact outline text or whatever. You missed the wider point he was making though that he did all that text transformation in about 5 seconds in Photoshop, whereas it took you who even know exactly what you're doing much, much longer in GIMP, you had to create two additional layers and fuck around in submenus, etc. The point isn't whether or not it's possible, the point is whether or not it's a pain in the ass, and that many of these open-source programs don't put anywhere near as much emphasis on UX as they should.
That being said I think GIMP is probably the best/worst example of an open-source program with a godawful UI. LibreOffice is up there too. So for someone who just wants to focus on the actual thing they're doing and not spend 15 minutes buried in Google search results to do something in GIMP that take a few obvious buttons in Photoshop, they're probably just going to buy (or pirate) photoshop.
1. ok yeah gimp is annoying at times, but you can just use another software instead of bitching about it
2. LibreOffice has the same UI as Google doc why aren't yall yapping about that?
3. Gimp's layout is the exact same as photoshop
@@AlexMikula 1. and you could have just left his video alone instead of bitching about it, but that's why we're all here innit?
2-3. are you fucking high? Gdocs/LO and Gimp/PS have very noticably different UX. Just because they have some of the same buttons doesn't mean one isn't way more organized and intuitive than the other
@@AlexMikula 1. yeah, people tend to use other software when they arent satisfied with the one they didnt like, but people also tend to give out opinions (like you did in this video)
2. Libreoffice does not have the same ui as google doc
3. you surely never used photoshop. it looks alike when you just look at a screenshot of it, but its not exactly the same
well... that's surely a way to outline text.... too bad cause having to remember all the steps to outline a text are just... nope
Alzheimers
You can outline text in Photopea 1000 times and if you ever need to do it without a idiot proof option to do so you are not gonna be able to do it, because you dont remember that in order to outline something you just need to select said thing grow the selection by x amount and fill a layer behind it
7:19 - 7:31 "If you have any questions, just remember what I said in slow motion"
Glados: 1BillionX speed
"Test on your own recognizance, I'll be right back."
I'm pretty sure you got fooled by the rage bait title, the video is more about his grievances with free open-source software not being as good as paid closed-source software and him trying to find a way to explain just why it sucks like that
The issue is he didn't just come to the simple conclusion of: THESE SOFTWARE ARE USUALLY HOBBYIST PROJECTS THEMSELVES and all the good ones he named are software that's run by moderatly sized teams with company money.
TL;DR you got rage-baited and that guys a moron.
Epic video tho, mostly commenting to give more engagement to the video ❤
to be fair, outlining text in gimp is far from ideal. having to select, grow, and fill a new layer every time u want to outline some text is ridiculous. if you wanted to alter that text, you're out of luck. you have to redo the process all over again. you cant copy paste a text layer and alter the text either. the author of the video you're reacting to makes a good point: open source projects lack many of the niceties of closed source paid programs. this isnt hard to believe when you realize that closed source paid programs are commercially viable while most open source projects are written by a very few developers who make nothing from the project. the open source projects that dont suffer from the problem (linux, blender, firefox, etc.) usually have lots of funding and have foundations set up to pay developers.
@@swanTM Imagine using some stupid cope to defend Mr. President of Stupid Town 💀
1. ok yeah gimp sucks ass with outlining
2. yes some open source programs are missing some shit big whoop, but like I said cause it’s open source you could program the thing you want, like for example there’s a minecraft pokemon mod called cobblemon that’s open source and people have added they’re own features and stuff i they’re own mods you can download with cobblemon, and have you thought about that some programs people make they’re not doing it for money but for a hobby or just be cause they love making stuff?
Just saying you can program the thing you watch isn't the catch 22 you think it is man... That is often a huge time investment which requires a huge amount of time researching how everything was put together and then trying to expand upon it to create your own idea. Also if you aren't a developer good fucking luck. I'm saying this as somebody who does use open source programs for almost everything btw (including my OS). Ive just had these experiences with open source programs, specifically in the realm of music production, to where I've had to abandon the open source alternative and pay for the proprietary program because it was just... A better program. (For context I switched from using LMMS to Reaper because LMMS was missing so much functionality it made my job just too tedious and painful).
Also, expanding on what I said above. Many closed source programs are actually closed source for LEGAL reasons. With what I was talking about with reaper, most of the program is actually open source, but there are large proprietary blobs as the reaper developers needed to work with companies like Steinberg to add proper vst functionality to it, as such they were required to make stuff like that proprietary as it belongs to Steinberg. This is the same reason why you cannot make console games for Godot as far as I'm aware. Doing that would require the Godot developers to add proprietary blobs into their program as it would require them adding the SDKs for PlayStation and Xbox which are both owned by Sony and Microsoft.
@@bladonski choo choo charles was made by one guy who learned off of youtube tutorials so yes you can easily learn how to program
@@AlexMikula Sure dude, great argument there. I am a programmer, but if I was instead a graphics designer for example and needed software to do specific things for work I wouldn't waste my fucking time learning to code just so I can contribute to inkscape or gimp LMFAO.
Heres a question, have you contributed to open source projects which you like to add functionality you feel is missing? If so thats great, but if you tell me it wasn't a time investment that took away from the time you would spend actually using the program to finish a project then you are lying.
why do people forget vlc,blender,krita and firefox exist and all of them are floss and popular
Yea... Imagine try to make something and use open source engine only to end up fixing their stupid bugs and set the sht of the engine instead of.. I don't know.. ACTUALLY MAKE SOMETHING?!?!
Edit: 15:17 also arent the developer of grapheneOS (or something) goes on a rampage and threatened the investors of their OS on discord just because of someone dare to criticize him?
Edit: you, replying with mockery is all i need to prove my point + ratio
1. I'm having a stroke reading your first part
2. idk about the developer of grapheneOS I'm only hearing this from you
@@AlexMikula jesus, did you just seriously mock someone's grammar cuz lemme tell you, english is not my first language. Gausah pamer gegara lu cuman bisa bahasa Inggris, orang yang punya bad grammar tu berati dia bisa lebih banyak bahasa ketimbang elu.
Also.. You replying with mockery is all i need to prove my point. This is how all open source mfs ALWAYS act. It happened with graphene OS devs, it happened with godot and how they shoves godot down everyone's throat but then complain that people complaining that their engine being sucks, it happened to you like... Literally right now
@@AlexMikula then keep having it cuz you dying is not much of a gain to society even on it's decaying state.
Also, you replying with mockery is all i need to prove my point. It's happened with grapheneOS dev, it's happened with godot and how they shoves godot to everyone throats but then complain that we're complaining that the engine's sucks, and it happened to you literally right now.
All open source developers especially the solo one will going to have a superiority complex and act highly of their products. Hell, it doesn't even need to be their products at all like this entire video and how you have a superiority complex over half-baked barely-functioning programs you yourself don't even develop and think that the ONLY selling point they have is that "company don't own them" And that "it's open source" As if it makes sense at all
Open Source is NOT BAD for the reasons that were brought up here.
Open Source IS BAD because it's an inefficient governance model that ensures either slow pace OR giant bureaucracy.
You HAVE TO listen John Blow's arguments against open source if you want actual debate.
Tbf that's not a open source issue and more just a management issue. And open source is a lot better then many tech corporations when it comes to inefficiencies and useless bureaucracy.
0:42 I feel like this isn't gonna age well in a couple of years
it already did just look at adobe and Maya, and Unity tried to butt fuck us with that per install fee bs, and they'res this game named Spooky Men that's 259.99 on steam (it was 1 Million dollars at one time)
I'm not ashamed to admit I'm too dumb to know how to use any of these programs, but yeah open source is awesome!
When people mock open source software they forget a good amount of them came before mainstream proprietary software and basically without them those programs wouldnt exist
I’ve been playing & developing a ton of FNF mods (cuz, FNF is an open-source game), & I can say with full confidence, mods & shit don’t take away from the creators. In fact, a lot of the devs have also shown their interest in the modding scene. Hell, there are even Roblox clones of the game freely monetizing it’s ingame transactions. So it’s not “so bad it’s good” or just “so bad it steals from the big company” according to this would-be Mr. Biden, it’s still ok. & I’ve used shit like IbisPaint X, Flipaclip & CapCut
So open source is bad if you cherry pick a few ones he doesn't personally like and ignore all the rest. Yeah working on open source stuff can be hobby but also any indie game developer or startup that isn't making money off their game/product they are working on is technically a hobby. That being said it open source work isn't always a hobby paid google devs can work on open source software.
That's why the video's title says open source ALTERNATIVES. Because he's talking about the alternatives to the big tech stuff that (unfortunately) everybody uses, and not all open source software.
He even makes a point saying that not all open source is bad, that is mocked here as an inconsistency, when it really isn't.
You (and the guy making this vid) are areguing with something that no one said.
I mean, the ones he listed were specifically the ones that people often like to recommend as alternatives to popular proprietary applications, it was never about every single open source application ever.
Open source is good because I can see if there's any info getting shoveled to the Spyware of a company that owns them
I use a lot of open source CLI tools but besides blender most gui open source tools are kinda trash. Like there's not a single open source video editor that don't choke itself if you add more than like 3 effects, or 5 videos (even with proxy clips) meanwhile Sony Vegas running inside of a VM with 2 cpu cores and like 4gb ram handels it without any issue...
why cant you just talk normally? you talking like that made the video unwatchable
explain how, I just like this normally
@@AlexMikula its annoying
@@krank3869 explain how
@@AlexMikula you just keep yelling like a toddler and it never lands as funny just as annoying
@@krank3869 ok how do I yell like an adult?
you can always use python plugins to edit some of the functionality, but users are stupid and don't want to learn or think hard. its a significant cost
//Open Source is the Future, Case Closed...//
People who still use the r slur tend to be the most regarded. Dude can’t even pronounce Godot.
I think bro just wanted free adobe [insert program] . And wants it exactly like it. he said he doesn't follow the mindset. but his actions reveal his the contrary.
most open source creative software are bad tbh, especially gimp.
a simple one-click task can turn into multiple steps to do in gimp.
Open source doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it. It means you can view it. The rest is regulated by the license.
Although most of open source project have very permissive license, so you indeed can do whatever you want with it.
Hey I also want to make this clear with what buddy said, he said that Kdenlives time consumption is long and takes hours uh no it doesn’t, at the most it takes like 3-4 minutes if you do make a 10 to 20 minute video so it really doesn’t take that long at all, also he’s says open source bad because the options are different wow we are really making ground breaking news aren’t we with this one, right fellas? lol
People on their way to complain Linux is hard to use instead of realizing they're maybe just not used to it and it doesn't have to be identical to Windows (which isn't easy to use either, you have just grown using it)
Eric Murphy is a strong FOSS advocate actually, pretty sure this is ironic, he makes loads of videos on Linux and other FOSS software.
this video completely misses the point of the original video. the original videos main point was that open source software is great, but without backing by a organization the projects can seem aimless
Finally someone dunks on that video
16:20 way to prove him right
DAWs love to crash all the time
Still wouldn't dream of switching from Ardour
A lot of commonly used wrong talking points right at the start.
"They can't hide anything malicious" - wrong. They absolutely can. The binaries you install that someone else made aren't guaranteed to be made from the source code you find online. Most people aren't compiling themselves. And even if it matches, there can still be malicious code in it. It has happened before. It takes time until someone eventually notices. On top of that, the open source code might be using external libraries that in some cases are not open source themselves. You'd have to look through every single dependency as well.
"You can just make a free community version if they jack up the prices" - this is wrong. Open Source comes with a wide variety of different flavours of licenses. Not every license just allows you to do this. The problem isn't just this statement, it is that you claim you'd be well in your rights to do it. You can do it. But in some cases it might be illegal.
ok I was wrong a bout the virus part, but it's not like the license is gonna stop people anyway if anything it might maker them wanna do it even more did you see how gmod players reacted to Nintendo striking the workshop? someone posted an addon literally called "Fuck nintendo"
I am autism and i support the word, of course in good humor though, not for mean humor
Microsoft in the 2000s/90s:
I would preach to the choir but every comment I see here basically echoes my mind so I'll just add a question. Why aren't you linking to the original video you are reacting so that people can form their own opinion? The video is 13 minutes long, it's not that long, then they can come back and back up your views.
idk linking the og videos that I'm RESPONDING (not reacting) to is something that never crossed my mind I mean if you wanna watch the original video be my guest you can just type the title out I showed it in the video
As far as I can tell:
Its to stop possible harrassment for disagreements. Trust me, happens a lot more than you think, so usually if a video is critical of another, it generally doesnt let linked lest it sends hate unintentiomally to them.
ohh... btw if a opensource project copys/replicate certain functionality's it can possibly create legal problems. among other reasons open source projects are shaped by these kind of things. the dude that is complaining doesn't seem to understand this tho.
Alex decided to rant about a well made video because he didn't like the title💀
I read this as me making a rant about a well so I'm gonna do that for the funny
@@AlexMikula Good content NGL
@@AlexMikula that sounds hilarious, I'm expecting a half an hour well rant real soon
Am i the only one who finds it funny that the person who is making this video is completely oblivious to the point that the person he is responding to is making. And before you blindly call me a Wintoddler or whatever inane insult that hard core OpenSource fanboys like to throw out, I am typing out this comment on a laptop running Alpine Linux.
what the batakanta doing
based stance on the r-word situation. Don't cave in to chronically online twittertards (I identified them because of their sentence structures). You're not targeting a disabled guy with the word, you're just using it like any other insult, so it's fine.
GIMP is garbage, GIMP ≠ Photoshop, its not even close. I tried GIMP, and I regret it. I needed a software to cut some images, like cut a part of it, move it around and maybe resize, simple stuff. Why does it takes 4 extra steps to resize cropped part? I have to select part of the image, Ctrl+X Ctrl+V, select a separate tool to resize it, drag corners and then go back to moving tool to move it. Like wtf is that? Why can't I just drag cropped stuff by dragging it from the middle and resize by dragging corners!? I may say the same about LibreOffice, but hadn't much experience with it. Inkscape looks fine, Godot is lacking... a lot, compared to Unity and UE, but it can be excused as Godot released not so long ago and didn't have as much time to improve as Unity and UE. Things like Blender that are industry standard and are open-source are a rare exception, if there is even any other open-source industry standard applications except for Blender.
honestly, for an image editing software i go for paint[dot]net. it doesn’t have vector compatability, as far as im aware, but it works fine for most scenarios. heck, ive gotten more used to it than photoshop at this point
Just because gimp isn't the same as photoshop does not mean it's autamtically bad. Yeah, there are some problems with gimp, but considering that you get it for free and you can do whatever you want with it it's not such an big issue. The beauty of open source is not in quality of apps, but in freedom, if you have some programming skills you can make your own version of gimp without any legal troubles, i never heard that thing about any of Adobe software tho. Adobe would rather fuck up paid users rather than make working drm system, or just remove it entirely. Their shitty drm detects "pirated" software only when you're paid user. When you buy subscription it says or at least said "you can cancel subscription at any time" and then show you massive cancellation fee when you want to cancel it. Like bruh, 300 dollars to cancel subscription of DIGITAL SOFTWARE is absurd. It's not like they suffer any losses like for example restaurant, or shipping company would when you cancel something midway. They just want more money from you without making any effort towards making their product better. The fact that they just nullified existing lifetime licenses just so you'll have more motivation to pay them for rest of your life. Adobe in general is shitty company that will make you pay them money for you to deepthroat them just like you did with your comment. If adobe found out about your comment they would charge you for usage of their name not caring even slightly about how good you're defending them.
@@diablense that's not "not the same" that's objectively worse and totally garbage design. If you add unreasonable extra steps to a simple task it doesn't make it (only) "different" it makes it WORSE. Believe it or not.
If you don't want to pay Adobe - there is Affinity. I don't think that Adobe with their products are good. But if the "competition" is objectively worse - its objectively worse. If I don't want to pay Adobe - I'll go pirate their programs or buy Affinity. I don't want to cope in objectively worse program just for the sake of open-source and not paying Adobe, as well as many other people.
And going hiring a dev to rewrite something is not an option for many people, thats so bs. I love idea of open-source, but sometimes closed source is just easier, because its saves time, not because its familiar, its just better. Doesn't mean that every open-source software is bad, just GIMP
For example I use Firefox. In base its worse than Arc and Vivaldi, but by putting into it some effort it's now not only comparable to Arc and Vivaldi, but in some cases even better, in some worse, but its still worth to use, because it provides functionality that is impossible to achieve in other browsers, its different, but it's also good in it's own ways and is not noticeably worse in others, I can't say the same about GIMP.
@@diablense being open is a nice bonus, but if it's not good, it won't save the program for most users. A lot of people want just a working program, they don't want spending days downloading and setting up plugins, in the best case and in the worst case creating their own, being able to do that is definitely a good bonus, but if base experience is terrible...
Wasn't there more alternatives over GIMP and Photoshop?
Although piracy could give you a hand if you wanted, since you don't lose anything from running a sandboxed windows...
no offense but why are you shouting every sentence
*AS SOMEONE WHO SHOUTS EVERY SENTENCE, I CAN RELATE.*
@@fybson1068 ME TOO! I CAN'T EVEN TELL SOMETIMES LMAO!
The ‘tism
@@randomyoutuber4189 i don't see how it correlates
@@kab43 You could say it's a sort of quirk some of us tend to have. For me, it's mainly from my family having naturally loud voices, but also from autism so I end up inadvertently being too loud without noticing until someone brings it up. (I struggle to filter out background noises from voices or sounds closer to me, so this sort of quirk happens to me a lot.)
Both guys are mad annoying. Open source is good that's it.
Beeing so snarky and down right insulting just makes you seem immature and diminishes your points value. What value do comments like "thanks captain obvious" or simular bring? I made pretty similar content like that when I was 14 and thats the stuff that keeps me up at night because i cringe at the memory of it. Save yourself, dont act immature and make that your whole youtube personality.
If only you could attack the video on substance rather than form! (Hint: it would be so much more interesting). Insulting and shouting doesn't equal being right, but maybe it's too complex for your superior intellect. Yes, the guy's video is clickbait but that's just how youtube works today. And in the end, maybe it's even more interesting because he's nuancing what he's saying about open source. Go tell the KDE or GIMP devs that they make more money than Adobe from donations with the same conviction you have in this video lol. And it's a fact that the average person finds Gimp's interface just plain bad and poorly thought-out. And your tutorial on outlining letters proves it, it absolutely shouldn't be this complex to do just that.
Lol imagine thinking that you can say the entirety of Open source is bad just cus people don't like gimp and that's like a nuanced take. Fun fact no amount of what you claim is "nuance" can excuse the incorrect statements in the og video. ex most broswers work on open source software but the browser itself is closed source typically. Working on open source isn't a hobby for college kids, as many devs get payed a good amount to make changes to open source software to fix issues with their close sourced software. Saying that you can't do outlining on a software when it can easily be googled is different then saying it's unjustly complex. The prettiness of the UI doesn't matter if it has good functionality this is true for open and closed source software. I don't think anyone has had issues using audacity. The list goes on.
Tl:dr Let me quote you real quick "If only you could attack the video on substance rather than form!" Giving backhanded insults doesn't make you right either.
@@404maxnotfound I absolutely did not say that open source as a whole is bad and on the contrary! I've contributed a lot to projects on Linux distributions, for example, reporting bugs, translating apps into French and donating etc., but that's not the point. And I too agree with some of the points in this guy's video, because in the end the problem isn't whether it's open source or not, it's just that there's a lack of funding from devs, since it's generally a hobby on the side. Some are sponsored, of course, but that's an extremely small proportion of devs, and they're the only projects that manage to compete with proprietary projects like blender, godot or linux.
I've taken Gimp as an example because he talks about it a lot and it's very representative, and let's face it, saying you can switch from Photoshop to Gimp has become a joke on the Internet. And let's face it, in terms of functionalities, gimp lacks a lot, and in terms of ergonomics, it's not great. The problem isn't the interface itself, it's the user experience, the UX, and that's what counts, and gimp does it very badly... And that's why Audacity is so widely used and why nobody gives a damn about its interface, and that's a point I also disagree with in the og video.
So in the end, my last word is that this guy's video is bad because, apart from yelling, he doesn't raise any interesting arguments that are absolutely valid, like what you said, and that we should help open source projects as much as possible by contributing!
@@404maxnotfound TLDR : I don't see how that's an insult, it's just a fact. He responds to the video by taking personal examples and yelling.
@@Fire_Blaim " Insulting and shouting doesn't equal being right, but maybe it's too complex for your superior intellect" The superiror intellect part isn't an insult? Come on really?
Jason Hahn
I though people liked the Open Source vs Closed Source video.
They do, this guy just missed the entire point of the video and thinks that it’s saying “open source sucks” when that was never once what was said in the slightest
bruh people who thing saying slurs in a video is dumb. i dont personaly swear in my videos. but people be treating youtube like youtube kids.
it’s think not thing
@@AlexMikula opps my bad lol
@@AlexMikula sorry i gave off the wrong message. i relized i spelled my message wrong im not good with english. what i meant to say was "people who think swearing in videos is bad are dumb" sorry for the miscommunation
I love seeing someone rant about a Video he didn't understand... And I love how stupid people can be.
He did not shoot against Open Source and he is not against Open Source. If you saw one other Video of him you would know it. It feels like you misunderstood the video on purpose so you can hate on him.
A major point that you brought up was that he could code a feature himself when he wanted it. What do you think would a normal person do that just wants to get things done
A: Just use Photoshop for his work because it is easier
B: Learn pure C to Code Photoshop into Gimp and then wait for one of the Project Maintainers to review it and pray that they accept your request. (Or make a Fork).
I think even you know what the answer is.
He did not say that Open Source is bad, he even uses Open Source Software most of the Times (such as Linux). He only said that they are often not a good alternative (Like Gimp is not a easy and good alternative for Photoshop, many Professionals can not use Gimp for their Work because of the Complicity and missing/hard to find Tools. (And if you have to search up where a basic feature is than your Software is bad designed (AND NO THEY CANNOT LEARN C AND CODE THE FEATURE IN THEMSELVES JUST QUICK LIKE YOU SAID)))
19:02 - 19:26
Say this to someone who has to use this Software at Work.
SO IS THE ALTERNATIVE BETTER OR NOT??? YOU JUST SAID THAT THE ALTERNATIVE IS GOOD NOW YOU SAY IT IS BAD ON WHAT SIDE ARE YOU?
Please never make a Video ever again. You just too dumb to understand the point he made.
1. yes he did shoot against Open Source the idiot is you
2. if you want something done right you should do it yourself you lazy ass bum
3. either send them feedback or use something else
4. if gimp is not too your needs use something else (yes you can learn C and code the feature in yourself you're just lazy)
5. I never said open source is better you retard I said you shouldn't be suprised if a free software isn't as good as a paid one
6. I will make as many videos as I want you basement dweller and you can't stop me
Where are the proprietary competitors to Photoshop though ? I wonder what happens to the closed source alternatives that don't quite match up to the top software it's almost as if they completely disappear. Oh and I also wonder why products without competitors end up getting worse and worse because they have no incentive to get better
Surprised vscode wasn't mentioned, it's open source, and pretty much the standard for coding, like blender is for modelling
vs code is mainly developed by Microsoft, it's not pure open-source
its not entirely open source. VSCodium however, is.
Vim my beloved (GVim, to be spesific)! I tried to go mod Vintage Story but I'm too stubborn to install VSCode and dependencies required to mod Vintage Story (which required Dotnet if I recall. And as others mention, is developed my MS. And I know VSCodium exists, but that may be ruined if MS ruins the open-source binaries) :D
Austictic here. We're the same.
P.D: The dislikes are sponsoreds
what?
This argument he brings up is basically “its bad because its not exactly like the paid competitor” without realizing that obviously not everything has to be the same when I made a transition from adobe premiere pro to kdenlive I obviously didn’t know how to do certain stuff because different programs are gonna be different and it took me around 15 minutes to learn everything in kdenlive by just looking everything up
People can and will be stupid at the worst times always. Open source stuff are absolute life savers.
Ngl, Open Source licenses let likes of UA-cam make millions but contribute like 5$ to things they depend on.
I feel like you're not even listening to him during this whole video. You just took the title as his full opinion.
12:10 oh please, even if audacity is updated, the UI still looks like garbage
"erm actually audacity looks like ass" 🤓
Only reason why you think its bad (Which is not exactly true) is way too many are unwilling to learn how to use CLI. It's even on Windows BTW (Powershell) and again, the same applies. Alot of us do prefer POSIX compliant Linux/UNIX way. And for alot of us too, we can only handle one way, and for me UNIX was 1st and came along UNIX-like like Linux way of it. We can only handle so much information to use in our heads.
what?
@@AlexMikula Your What is meaningless. What I stated still stands.
@@Matt2010 no like what are you talking about I have no idea
@@AlexMikula I don't really care I know you're younger and I don't waste time with ppl like you any more. But here, Learn, 2 and learn from today's examples too. From ppl that are older than you. That's it. Don't fall for that crap like it being handed to you and you just expecting it to work like with many Windows users and what Microsoft does, to say this it just works, only to later find out their ripping you off is the mistake way too many make. Linux works too, but you have to be more hands on with it. Apple uses too UNIX with OS X. That's where I come from. And guess what runs the internet infrastructure, Yes both UNIX and Linux, not MS Windows.
I like how bro mentioned projects "living" off of github and then proceeds to show a project which does not live in github but is read-only mirrored to github
me or him?
@@AlexMikula him
Personally I would have added an outline in gimp using the "Drop Shadow" Filter setting X and Y to 0, setting the blur radius to 0, setting the opacity to 1, and setting the grow radius to my liking.
You are funny as hell lmao
Bro my brother is constantly thrash talking about every piece of software that isn't from the App Store or the Microsoft Store, especially open-source stuff because it is "much easier to hack people using open-source software as you can just go into the source code and search for vulnerabilities". And also he says every OS is insecure just because it is not made by Apple or Microsoft.
@@MrFrog222 Where? I've seen a lot of his videos, and I don't remember him saying any of that. Could you provide links to where he says that?
EDIT: Sorry, I thought you meant brother not literally, and it was meant to address Eric Murphy as "brother" 😁.
@@b.h.8137 his brother is a youtuber?
@@apersoniguess_ Oh, sorry I thought he meant to call Eric Murphy (the youtuber being reacted to) his brother (not literally).
3:24 Absolute comedy gold also I don't want to sound like those five-year-olds who just say skill issue to everything, but seriously, this is a skill Issue 3:11
3:11 is literally a skill isue
P*nis funny lol
I can't tell if this is supposed to be a satire of some sort or not
this video reaks of you shadow boxing talking points that you barely have a surface level understanding of
1:35
yeah, i could tell
14:10 I like how this argument is so pervasive a ton of open source alternatives, like DaVinci resolve, on their first install straight up ask you "Ok, which of the big tech's proprietary programs' workflow do you want us to emulate for you?" And it actually does a decent job at copying it over!
(Or so I'm told, since I used these from the start, I was told about an experience of switching from proprietary programs to open source alternatives by my friend)
I'm not sure but Davinci Resolve is not opensouce
davinci resolve is indeed proprietary
@@kab43 Still the point stands look at blender for example asking if you want to copy maya or cinema 4d keybindings.
except Resolve is not open source
21:26 I guess the bad part is that there isn't much open source software outcompeting the big expensive close source ones in quality. And yes I agree. If we need the people to not be spied on and abused, sadly need to just have FOSS or Source First programs to outcompete in quality. With righ to repair can't do that sadly, as factories and cars and phones are A LOT more expensive than google photo alternatives for example
im autistic and i think you should not call people the r slur
OK retard
Awesome video. Although the example of the text outline thing was... Too much for something simple but hey, maybe i just need to get used to it to be more confortable 🙂. 10/10
ye I've done it a lot of times so it just becomes second nature
Sonic Colors: Ultimate was "made" on godot , i quoted made because it was an remaster of an old game, the old game was made on... i dont know what engine they used, maybe something made in-house, then when they wanted to relase an remake they ported it to godot, probably they didnt want to make an render by thenselves, but the code of physics and stuff like that was probably kept from the original using gdextension or c++ modules.
either way it was made in godot
I find it interesting that he thinks Photoshop is easier... I can not find my way around Photoshop, at all... Tools and menues are just all over the place and do not make sense.
Thats because you arent used to photoshop
Blockbench MENTIONED!
@AlexMikula I got a cool video idea for you so basically it's about this person online called mushroom girl who is known for getting in a lot of drama and in this particular one she's recently in is about her newest pro shipping video and how she believes pro shipping is base if you don't know what pro shipping is it's basically the belief that you're allowed to ship anything with anyone or anything as long as it is fictional or is in a fictional setting
You know you don't have to @ me I get a notification every time someone comments, also I might see what's going on with this person no promises I'll make a video tho, btw I saw the fanart you did for me and I loved it I wanted to tell you but the comments were turned off
The thing with open soruce software, particulary with creative ones is the UX (user experience). UX design has usually been a big oversight and when you don't have a proper team, then it can be hard to convey what the best design philisophies are.
But for softwares such as OBS and Blender for example they're great. They're not reallly needed to have an amazing UX design because of the way they operate. With blender, the majority of tools you're going to use are shortcuts so it doesn't matter as much (as well as being developed for over 20+ years helps too).
My point is it depends on the software. 80% of the time, open source is the best and i personally love it but for more creative uses they can be faulty at a user level.
1. that's why feedback exists you can ask your community what they want to see improved appon
2. yes blender and OBS are peak I use them all the time
3. I love how anyone can make their own stuff with open source programs and modify it to fit their needs, it's kinda like lego's in a sort of way
@@AlexMikula yeah, i love the whole atmosphere of open source. I'm just saying that closed source stuff usually have a better UX design since the people behind those projects will hire the best of the best whereas if someone gave feedback to improve an app, it might not be better since they may not have the experience. Of course someone with experience could come in and request a change but that doesn't happen too much since its a smaller percentage of people.
There can also be a bit of toxicity in open source. Like in Godot where someone made changes to functions and made it better but it never got merged into the main software because one of the admins didn't want to (even though the community thought it was better).
Basically there are good points and bad points about both closed and open source. One isn't better then the other. They're just different to each other. I personally prefer using open source over closed source for the majority of the programmes I use but I like to address some of the problems that persist with open source software.
I wonder how good FUTO Source First license is?
dude i can explain why should ppl drink jarate and mad "milk" from tf2 and it be more valid than this guys opinion(edit: i dont mean alex)
me or the other guy?
@@AlexMikula the other guy
@@sundowner92848 k thanks for clarifying I was confused
@@AlexMikula yeah sorry abt that
8:11 He never said open source was bad…? He said that often the open source alternatives simply aren’t as good as the proprietary programs that users try to replace, because while they are decent tools, other programs just do what they do better and more efficiently.
18:27 Oh so you DO admit that the open source alternatives are worse than the closed source programs. So… what’s the point of this entire video then?
19:09 Honestly you should take your own advice because that was not at all what he was saying. Saying that proprietary software does the same thing but better is NOT the same as saying that open source software is garbage.
Also you keep going “Or just PROGRAM IT YOURSELF”, yeah because everybody knows how to program and can just easily do that, sure
To be honest some rebuttals do make sense, but ultimately you’re trying to make it seem like he said something that he did not, in fact, say; you missed the entire point of the video and then complain that “he’s sending mixed signals” when it’s really just you not at all paying attention to what’s being said
@@AlexMikula >no arguments
@@AlexMikulaSad, this guy raised nice points. Most glaring one is the arguement that it's unfair to compare those open source softwares to closed source software built by teams. But the reason it's compared is that it's often listed or said to be an alternative to another software and the vid is literally about how they don't compare to them which you agreed with. except for ones handled by an organisation which you also agree with.
I'm responding to it in the next angry comments video
@@AlexMikula thanks for the heads up at least
@@apersoniguess_ I just wanted to let you know so can see me demolish your comment lol
I hate it when I get stuck in the edgy children section of youtube.
@@slugbones I actually love it how its not bland and too sanitised as big channels
Bro, your not gonna make it like this, you interpret his points in the most literal and disingenuous way possible, and then snarkily ramble into the mic with seemingly no overall point or message, the editing is overstimulating, you act like the decibel meter is your score counter and the edgy humor is very clearly forced.
Overall: yet another Leafy try-hard, 3/10.
it's you're not your
@@AlexMikula I could not not give less of a shit.
@@mactep1 mememememememememememmemememmememememmem
@@AlexMikula Did you have a stroke on the keyboard?
@@mactep1nah hes role-playing you yapping abt nothing
Trans rights :3
Чел с шляпой в шкафу бугуртит на другой видос в течение 22х минут при условии что в этом же видео на все и ответили. Фш всегда был кучей кала но при этом что то лучше что удовлетворит запросы пользователей ещё не сделали.
You're hella annoying but i agree with everything that you said. I remember seeing that video in my reccomended and havung pretty much all the same thoughts. Good vid bro
can you tell me how to not be annoying
Gohdot
I admit, I love the point and spirit, but that also did psychic damage 😂
what are you a fighting/poison type?
@@AlexMikula Yes, I am. I fight bad pronounciation with poisonous sarcasm and support just before I faint in bat--
**faints**
10:49 game engine in a game engine! then what next? game engine in a game engine in another game engine?
I watche only 2 seconds of it just to pause and realize it's coming from Team Fortress 2 player. No ty
so let me get this straight: I used a game I casually play for fun as b-roll and you automatically disregard my opinion because of it? wow you're a retard
Is the thick Pyro mod open-source?
idfk maybe
1:30 im eating good on god on god
so toxic
lmms is like fl studio but free
@@PotatoCrash bruh lmms can't even record audio
Wow first time you use crab game as one of the gameplay
tf2 or crab game?
@@AlexMikula tf2 is a game i have not played before but i have played crab game
U also watch Batakanta?
maybe
This mf is wild but the good type
like not use that please. hahahahahhah