If Enigma/Dominion has to travel between universes within Marvel, how could it possibly be above TOAA, an omniscient, omnipotent being that exists simultaneously within and without every Marvel storyline. The Enigma only exists because TOAA (ie the writers) wants it to. My money is on Enigma getting retconned out of existence during the inevitable reboot at the end of this storyline.
Exactly, this is what I was saying last week and the reason the video is not accurate. You can't be all powerful (omnipotent) if you are not all knowing (omniscient). The enigma/dominion is not omniscient.
You're right, if this GOD is truly boundless, why travel from one universe to another when it could just whim all of existence into whatever it wishes or just erase everything altogether? You know one of the heroes will factor that and brainstorm with the rest of the heroes, eventually leading to another L for Sinister!
I like the one above all. He visited Spider-Man at his lowest and most terrible time. The one above all showed Peter that being Spider-Man saved thousands of lives and that he should not give up. That was so endearing to me.
It is also responsible for giving Peter some of the worst events you can ever experience. The One Above All enjoys watching Peter suffer in all multiverse.
@@mrdude88nah that was all on Marvel at that point, they could’ve made him go through so much better and it didn’t have to mean the end of his story just yet. It could’ve hinted at things to come and with miles being there it could’ve transitioned into miles time and give him his own enemies if they wanted to write better
@@josyahbryant8719you can't have a fictional character surpass the writers themselves. TOAA was written to be the writers, stan lee himself someone being stronger is bad writting
This is rare, but a surprisingly accurate video about the dominion from Comics Explained, kudos man. Though i don't agree about it being more powerful than TOAA
TOAA is the supreme being. Just because someone new is holding the pen now, doesn’t mean they can change the status quo of the original authors. This Enigma being is made from creation. TOAA was there to create creation. Nothing would have existed (including the knowledge) to create the Enigma. This is just stupid writing. What a time to be alive.
Actually in a way I agree with the possibility of GODS far greater than TOAA, however with greater power comes even greater responsibility, absolute power if not checked properly corrupts absolutely! That being said, if any of the heroes reach the center of the Enigma, with TOAA's assistance, the Enigma can be shut down and destroyed. This is like the infinity gems, but on a boundless scale! Picture one of the x-men reach the brain of the Enigma and absorb it's programming, then figures how to stop it? I know one mutant who has the ability to absorb by touch and according to a premonition that came to me in 1981, nobody would think could be the savior, but I discovered this character in Avengers! At first I wasn't thinking about it, then I dreamt that character would become one of Marvel's greatest icons, then I woke up and that vision showed me it was one of the future x-men at the time. I started reading x-men ever since and I wanted to shout to the universe thatI knew that this x-men member would defeat the strongest entity in all the Multiverse and save all lives in the process! Had I started telling people then, everybody would have said I've gone insane because at the time this new x-men member was just a mutant in a green hooded onesie and she wasn't anything special! They won't say that after she does the greatest heroic deed since X-men and Avengers started! I call her the mutant icon,but Marvel and all comics fans know who I'm talking about, watch what happens and if we though she is popular now, wait until she single handedly outsmart and conquer and bring Sinister to justice! Of corse Captain America and Deadpool will ask her to rejoin the Avengers after this! Of course just remember, I was always behind this particular character, so when Marvel starts calling this character the mutant icon,I was the first to call her that even before they thought of it, but Marvel will take the credit for it!
@@y_strikes2770killing you and and destroying you from creation are two very different things just as creation and building something from already created existence are two very different things. You can create a robot but you used already existing substance that was simply rearranged. That robot can kill you but not remove you from existence. Death and removal from existence are two different things.
The Dominion Concept feels almost DC like reminds me about the convoluted plots for Perpetua return and the Batman who laughs plan to achieve Dr Manhattan powers.
At some point they'll just retcon Enigma and he won't be the highest. It does get boring that when it feels like writers can't stay within a defined hierarchy. They can only write about constantly being stronger than the strongest.
Maybe i'm too old school, but i feel The One Above All should always be that, it's in his name even. Wondering if this will tie in with G.O.D.S. at all. Also, why am i getting the feeling of a company wide reboot event coming from all this?
The rest of the Cosmic Entities can be replaced if someone becomes powerful enough to challenge and overthrow then. We even had the story where Thanos took TOAA's place for a bit. Why not another? Better yet, they've sorta been hinting at being technically sitting above him for a while. It's just an expanded hierarchy that we haven't been fully introduced to., just like we didn't know about the old faithfuls from the start eother.
@@Tracks2008 Agreed. TOAA is a metatextual stand-in. I guess you could say something like "Enigma is Hickman" and "TOAA is Kirby" but I'd much rather it stay the IRL writers as a whole
Bro sinister /dominion / enigma is not above the one above all. When the concept of dominion first gets introduced in xmen it explicitly states the only threats to dominions besides abstract entities would be galactus and the phoenix force . That alone shows you the one above all is above it . And in defenders beyond the one above all just says he’s intrigued by the crown not that is actually above him . The crown is a threat to multiversal eternity Not toaa . I would say the enigma is close to what the mother of horrors is to the toaa . Something he didnt create/forsee that intrigues him . Doesnt mean he isnt stronger than both but he wants to see what they do being outside of his plan
You know what I realized just today why trying to explain to my 6 year old son who the green goblin. Norman actually did recreate the super soldier formula. The thing he didn’t know about is how the formula amplifies everything, even that beyond the physical, which is why they had to do mental screening to find Steve, because it would also amplify his self righteousness. When Norman took it, his Greed, narcissistic attitude were amplified to such a degree that it split his personality, why because Norman needed to think of other people, his son and etc, and the green goblin does care about his son, but not to the level of Norman.
I love your idea. It's interesting and makes sense in the existing canon everyone knows. I'd much rather read your story than any of Al Ewing's recent Marvel work.
@@kurtlindner I would LOVE to write for marvel and/or DC. They could give me any character, say…Maggot from the x-men, I think I could raise his popularity if I was just given a chance to prove it.
Addendum: I feel like a lot of people misunderstood Defenders beyond #5. What Al Ewing was saying through Blue Marvel was that does the one above all know he's the comic book avatar for the creators of the creator? He was reinforcing the idea that TOAA was the avatar of Marvel's writers (as it as been since the characters came to be). He also said they came to look at the face of Eternity's enemy, the Enigma. Who as explained in the recent X-Men crossover is an AI god. If you've been paying close attention to what Kieron Gillen is trying to say, you'd know that the Enigma is a meta character pointing towards Ai writing. Put your cognitive abilities to use and you'd understand what the comic or the entire Enigma dominion storyline is all about
@@ayomthe17th Exactly plus that is insulting to Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, and everyone else who were personified as TOAA. Which pretty much covers all of the older writers and artists of Marvel.
This is one of the things that makes Marvel not so interesting. DC as well. Because there's always a new MOST POWERFUL. There's always a new reality warping person. It's kind of old hate at this point. But I like Rob so I listen to him.
@@chriss.249True, but none are on the same scale as marvel. There are gods, gods of gods, gods of those gods, even gods of those gods💀💀 it’s never ending. How are there so many “all powerful” beings that can literally do anything… it’s just goofy
If the Dominion exists outside of both space and time then technically Xavier's plan to go back in time and kill Moira won't work in stopping the Dominion.
Personally i like the enigma been a multiversal thread outside of space and time but to me that shouldn't make him above the one above all. To me TOAA is outside of everything, is like the source on DC, is suppose to be over everything. I like the fact that they want to rework the cosmic hirarchy but something to me should not change and is where you place TOAA
You know.. this whole thing Kinda Reminds me of how in Bleach Aizen was trying to achieve power Beyond Gods by mastering and consolidating every discipline and source of mystical energy at first through experimentation of the creation of shinigami hollow hybrids and later through the hogyoku.
@comics explained one of the coolest things about this new paradigm is that it finally explains how one of Essex's students Herbert Wyndham (High Evolutionary) had attained so much more knowledge and power than Essex did. The answer is he didn't he only achieved more than his famous clone. Very cool (and probably accidental) touch.
Considering that the celestials are essentially, machines there is a part of me wondering why one of them didn't achieve this level of power. It almost feels like the one above all (god) is now meant to hand over it's power to the one above all ( celestial) . If I am missing something please let me know.
Between defenders beyond and the fall of x saga being incredible stories, the connection between the two with the crown has been one of the absolute coolest things to watch happen in marvel for some time! It’s almost Hickman-esque in its execution
I have a feeling they'd just retcon this like what they did to Heart of the Universe storyline, that it was part of TOAA's plan all along and he's still the big guy, i'm still waiting for G.O.D.S. to finish, to my knowledge it's what will establish the current hierarchy
I love all the people saying enigma isn’t more power than TOAA just because they don’t want him to be. TOAA himself said he was so how exactly are you arguing your pointb
i liked that the symbol dominion/enigma used was a crown, and he supposedly being more powerful than TOAA. I mean, the only thing above the king is the crown his wearing
First it’s the one above all, then it was oblivion, and now it’s Enigma. At this point there isn’t any consistency, just whatever the writers decide for their specific story.
Great video Rob! Love the content and how lore accurate you are. I would kinda disagree though I would say the Enigma is more akin to cancer can be deadly powerful if left unattended but relatively easy once you catch it early . Nonetheless it’s a great way to introduce an upper echelon of power in the marvel universe and shake up the status quo
Say man, thank you so much for clearing this up. I started getting heavy into comics via your channel a few months ago and I just knew there was a reason I've always liked Sinister aside from his dope-ass design.
The One above all still to me should've been left alone as the strongest and most powerful, the Creator of the marvel universe. Marvel should've made that set in stone.. disappointing how they didn't make sure all these authors and new one that come in know that can't be changed. I'm hoping a better writer then myself will recorrect the hierarchy in marvel.
This is my first time seeing your face in a video and holy sh*t your handsome. Your YT profile does not do you justice you gotta update that thing my guy. Love the content btw keep it up~
the dominion is more powerful than TOOA, but in order for the dominion to have come to existence it would’ve had to have happened in the multiverse by gathering all information and knowledge in the multi/universe and it gets more powerful eating multiverses? So how are they more powerful than TOOA maybe on par but how are they more powerful exactly?
Been kind of a shadow viewer watching without really commenting honestly glad you continue to tell us about comics and explain them in a way thats not to convoluted or confusing I appreciate that.
I wouldn't be opposed to an "enigma crown" situation where the crown/ enigma consolidates itself into a celestial artifact that's divided and can be assembled back together becoming the "host" of enigma based on who wears it
Hey Rob, looking good brother. I can tell you're getting fit! As a fellow big boy, I love that you every now and then you'll mention that you're trying to get fit, and it helps me when I see ya making those goals! You can do it brother, we both can!!
Let me try to explain, atleast from my understanding. The Enigma (The Crown Above All Things) is basically the anti-thesis to what TOAA stands for. TOAA as it is established in Defenders Beyond #5 embodies the highest creative force in the known existence, which makes him basically the stand-in for the writers themselves. On the other hand, The Enigma is the stand-in for the threat of AI-Consumptive, regurgitation of stories, and the end of creative writing which the writers themselves embody in TOAA. This is why Essex said that “The only good story is a story that has been entirely and totally consumed and exploited.” The Enigma is basically some sort of Roko’s Basilisk that signals the advent of the end of God. It is also probably why they would need the Phoenix to fight this force as the Phoenix is born of the void (read: nothingness) between states of being (read: existence/creation) and the sum total of psionic energy (read: thought), it is being used as a stand-in for organic creativity springing from human thought.
Granted knowledge of all 4 subjects the essex clones were created for is required. What is stopping a character such as Doom from trying to achieve a domminion?
My question is, how the freak is all the knowledge getting stored, across multiple different timelines, into a single hidden location, that's always there, and always has enough space, and never runs out of power, and then definitely has the resources present and ready that will be necessary for it to utilize all this knowledge, and the speed at which all this information is transferred, and -who Marvel thought would swallow so many ad hoc plot points.
@@kurtlindner the machine that was made copying mora McTaggart's power. She remembers everything when she dies in a universe, it's the same but in a machine.
One above all = One below all = destroyer of all existence. Plz explain how a being who can destroy everything in existence, including presumably enigma, is weaker than enigma.
1) I thought there was a multiversal Eternity. Is that not cannon? 2) SS also escaped the collapse, not sure where he went to but he definitely made it out. Where did he go?
Getting knowledge from 1 single universe. Shouldn't make you stronger than the one above all. It still makes no sense. The one above all literally has all of that knowledge it made that knowledge
Dude youve been doing some great videos, i look forward tk every video.... Love ya for it buddy, the love of comics is a strong force . Great vocation and purpose in life you have here
From the literal Source material it's literally saying that the Enigma is above one above all so is the crown that's because you like the one above all more doesn't mean anything
@@Keppie6 Exactly. People really lack reading comprehension. If anything, Defenders beyond#5 reinforces the idea that TOAA is the avatar of the creators, i.e marvel's writers
I still fail to see how Dominion is more powerful than The One Above All (TOAA) . It is certainly a transcendental being. I feel this whole idea of a being more powerful than TOAA is just a spillover effect of Thanos: The Infinity Conflict Storyline by Jim Starlin
Most frustrating thing is everyone or close there of, is trying to unseat the creator of the Marvel Universe lately. It's like that dang song, "everything You can do everything, but i can do better", and with this new generation of writers it's like that.
You still haven't explained what makes the Enigma Dominion more powerful than the One Above All. What actually indicates that is the case? Also what indicates the limitations of the One Above All that could make it conceivably less powerful than other entities? As far as I'm aware, Enigma being more powerful is just speculation.
AFAIK the only time they do allude to this being the case, is in the Defenders run Rob mentions. They say it very clearly there that TOAA has some degree of limitations or is bound to act within certain ways -it's ridiculous, and not very compelling. The whole story was super hack-y anyway.
No complaints if they can actually stick to it. If it’s as fickle a structure as all other quick grabs for cash that I see nowadays then I’ll just take what’s on the menu. I’m not the pickiest. I just won’t be able to remember any food for thought provided. Good to see you behind the desk. The structure of this channel is top notch.
6:30 I think that if Dominion is achievable in ANY way, it would only have to be achieved with whatever combination of powers and skills *needed presently.* Remember, the Nathaniel Essex A.I. gathered all information on powers and skills and only picked out all the little details needed to achieve god-hood/divinity, which was exactly how the A.I. became the *Enigma Dominion.* The clue to all of this would seem to be that whatever the A.I. picked out that was of such necessity would have to be the most primary resort *for the present.* Also, keep in mind the etymological definition of the term "enigma", which means *mystery.* This implies to me that the Enigma Dominion is literally *the highest rank of power throughout the Marvel Universe (Multiverse?),* actually having managed to exceed beyond the One Above All.... ...but then this begs the question of exactly what category of the "All" the One is actually "Above"...?
I love this channel so much but am gonna be honest I don't like the idea of something being more powerful than one above all that just render the name useless😢 and am not a fan of it
This video is not accurate. You can't all powerful (omnipotent) if you are not omniscient (all knowing). Enigma/dominion is clearly not omniscient. It doesn't even know Charles Xavier has done (just one example of many).
My question in all of this is where are the other powerful "gods" when one of the other gods or unimaginably powerful beings threatens all existence or wipes out everything?
So now the question is did the Dominion allow the Beyonder to escape the physical concept of being in a comic book in Defenders Beyond or is the Beyonder as whatever form it is in now even more powerful than the Dominion itself?
If the 1 above all really did exist outside of space n time then how is the dominion even able to be more powerful or gain that lvl of power without the 1 above alls permission?? 🤔🤔🤔
If Enigma/Dominion has to travel between universes within Marvel, how could it possibly be above TOAA, an omniscient, omnipotent being that exists simultaneously within and without every Marvel storyline. The Enigma only exists because TOAA (ie the writers) wants it to. My money is on Enigma getting retconned out of existence during the inevitable reboot at the end of this storyline.
Exactly, this is what I was saying last week and the reason the video is not accurate. You can't be all powerful (omnipotent) if you are not all knowing (omniscient). The enigma/dominion is not omniscient.
It's not above TOAA you're right.
I'm with you there.
You're right, if this GOD is truly boundless, why travel from one universe to another when it could just whim all of existence into whatever it wishes or just erase everything altogether? You know one of the heroes will factor that and brainstorm with the rest of the heroes, eventually leading to another L for Sinister!
Yeah I think the Enigma story was a step in the wrong direction.
I like the one above all. He visited Spider-Man at his lowest and most terrible time. The one above all showed Peter that being Spider-Man saved thousands of lives and that he should not give up. That was so endearing to me.
It is also responsible for giving Peter some of the worst events you can ever experience. The One Above All enjoys watching Peter suffer in all multiverse.
@@mrdude88Captain America considers Spiderman the greatest hero, that suffering is necessary
@@mrdude88nah that was all on Marvel at that point, they could’ve made him go through so much better and it didn’t have to mean the end of his story just yet. It could’ve hinted at things to come and with miles being there it could’ve transitioned into miles time and give him his own enemies if they wanted to write better
@@mrdude88 that is so not true. 🤣😂
@@mrdude88 Pretty sure he showed up solely to try and stop Peter from making the dumbest decision of his life. Can't put that on him lol
OK I’m fine with all of this except for a being more powerful than the one above all and I’m pretty sure I’m not alone in this
Yeah people don't want to accept the fact that the one above all has been surpassed a long time ago
@@josyahbryant8719you can't have a fictional character surpass the writers themselves. TOAA was written to be the writers, stan lee himself someone being stronger is bad writting
@@josyahbryant8719its stated absolutely no where that OAA has been surpassed
@@TheGamingShogun that doesn't even make sense I guess perpetua doesn't even exist
@@TheGamingShogun and yes you can the writers aren't the end all be all look at Mr Mexia and Bat-Mite
Everyone is the most powerful being now
This is rare, but a surprisingly accurate video about the dominion from Comics Explained, kudos man. Though i don't agree about it being more powerful than TOAA
TOAA is the supreme being.
Just because someone new is holding the pen now, doesn’t mean they can change the status quo of the original authors.
This Enigma being is made from creation. TOAA was there to create creation.
Nothing would have existed (including the knowledge) to create the Enigma.
This is just stupid writing.
What a time to be alive.
Actually in a way I agree with the possibility of GODS far greater than TOAA, however with greater power comes even greater responsibility, absolute power if not checked properly corrupts absolutely! That being said, if any of the heroes reach the center of the Enigma, with TOAA's assistance, the Enigma can be shut down and destroyed. This is like the infinity gems, but on a boundless scale! Picture one of the x-men reach the brain of the Enigma and absorb it's programming, then figures how to stop it? I know one mutant who has the ability to absorb by touch and according to a premonition that came to me in 1981, nobody would think could be the savior, but I discovered this character in Avengers! At first I wasn't thinking about it, then I dreamt that character would become one of Marvel's greatest icons, then I woke up and that vision showed me it was one of the future x-men at the time. I started reading x-men ever since and I wanted to shout to the universe thatI knew that this x-men member would defeat the strongest entity in all the Multiverse and save all lives in the process! Had I started telling people then, everybody would have said I've gone insane because at the time this new x-men member was just a mutant in a green hooded onesie and she wasn't anything special! They won't say that after she does the greatest heroic deed since X-men and Avengers started! I call her the mutant icon,but Marvel and all comics fans know who I'm talking about, watch what happens and if we though she is popular now, wait until she single handedly outsmart and conquer and bring Sinister to justice! Of corse Captain America and Deadpool will ask her to rejoin the Avengers after this! Of course just remember, I was always behind this particular character, so when Marvel starts calling this character the mutant icon,I was the first to call her that even before they thought of it, but Marvel will take the credit for it!
@@CharlieDarkon I could create a 10foot tall robot that stomps me out of existence, just because I created it doesn't mean it can't kill me.
@@y_strikes2770killing you and and destroying you from creation are two very different things just as creation and building something from already created existence are two very different things.
You can create a robot but you used already existing substance that was simply rearranged. That robot can kill you but not remove you from existence. Death and removal from existence are two different things.
@@CharlieDarkon Defenders Beyond #5
The Dominion Concept feels almost DC like reminds me about the convoluted plots for Perpetua return and the Batman who laughs plan to achieve Dr Manhattan powers.
100% agree
That story s**ked.
I mean, i liked it overall. But the part of Dr manhattan power stole lame way was very very disappointing.
At some point they'll just retcon Enigma and he won't be the highest. It does get boring that when it feels like writers can't stay within a defined hierarchy. They can only write about constantly being stronger than the strongest.
yeah, talking about the enigma feels worthless
It's inevitable, they've been making comics for 80+ years. Kinda the nature of the thing, even if it does get boring after a while
marvel rn is lacking creativity, I don't know whats hapenning in the writers department but they need to get more creative
@@Loriliwhy would they do that, everyone goes to watch the movies and shows regardless. they still make money, so why put more effort into it
Lmao u were right bruh
Maybe i'm too old school, but i feel The One Above All should always be that, it's in his name even.
Wondering if this will tie in with G.O.D.S. at all. Also, why am i getting the feeling of a company wide reboot event coming from all this?
TOAA is the most powerful as it IS the writers and artists in-universe.
One above all is very human. The Dominion isn't so its understandable that a machine would be able to achieve such a high level of power
The rest of the Cosmic Entities can be replaced if someone becomes powerful enough to challenge and overthrow then.
We even had the story where Thanos took TOAA's place for a bit.
Why not another?
Better yet, they've sorta been hinting at being technically sitting above him for a while.
It's just an expanded hierarchy that we haven't been fully introduced to., just like we didn't know about the old faithfuls from the start eother.
@@Tracks2008 Agreed. TOAA is a metatextual stand-in. I guess you could say something like "Enigma is Hickman" and "TOAA is Kirby" but I'd much rather it stay the IRL writers as a whole
It most likely will if we know Marvel!
Bro sinister /dominion / enigma is not above the one above all. When the concept of dominion first gets introduced in xmen it explicitly states the only threats to dominions besides abstract entities would be galactus and the phoenix force . That alone shows you the one above all is above it . And in defenders beyond the one above all just says he’s intrigued by the crown not that is actually above him . The crown is a threat to multiversal eternity Not toaa . I would say the enigma is close to what the mother of horrors is to the toaa . Something he didnt create/forsee that intrigues him . Doesnt mean he isnt stronger than both but he wants to see what they do being outside of his plan
You know what I realized just today why trying to explain to my 6 year old son who the green goblin. Norman actually did recreate the super soldier formula. The thing he didn’t know about is how the formula amplifies everything, even that beyond the physical, which is why they had to do mental screening to find Steve, because it would also amplify his self righteousness. When Norman took it, his Greed, narcissistic attitude were amplified to such a degree that it split his personality, why because Norman needed to think of other people, his son and etc, and the green goblin does care about his son, but not to the level of Norman.
I love your idea. It's interesting and makes sense in the existing canon everyone knows.
I'd much rather read your story than any of Al Ewing's recent Marvel work.
@@kurtlindner I would LOVE to write for marvel and/or DC. They could give me any character, say…Maggot from the x-men, I think I could raise his popularity if I was just given a chance to prove it.
okay but why are you talking about this in this video lmao
That’s an mcu only thing, no basis in comics.
Except that norman is also posessed by some weird goblin demon
The One above all is the most powerful being. If you actually read Defenders #5 and read to understand, you would understand
Exactly and Oblivion is the second most powerful.
Addendum:
I feel like a lot of people misunderstood Defenders beyond #5.
What Al Ewing was saying through Blue Marvel was that does the one above all know he's the comic book avatar for the creators of the creator? He was reinforcing the idea that TOAA was the avatar of Marvel's writers (as it as been since the characters came to be).
He also said they came to look at the face of Eternity's enemy, the Enigma. Who as explained in the recent X-Men crossover is an AI god. If you've been paying close attention to what Kieron Gillen is trying to say, you'd know that the Enigma is a meta character pointing towards Ai writing.
Put your cognitive abilities to use and you'd understand what the comic or the entire Enigma dominion storyline is all about
@@ayomthe17th That makes sense.
@@Tracks2008 Yup, so saying the Enigma is more powerful than TOAA is like saying an Ai is a better writer than the best writers
@@ayomthe17th Exactly plus that is insulting to Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, and everyone else who were personified as TOAA. Which pretty much covers all of the older writers and artists of Marvel.
There’s a new “most powerful being” every other week😒
That's how it goes almost every series
Dragonball
Naruto
Sonic
DC
The list goes on
This is one of the things that makes Marvel not so interesting. DC as well. Because there's always a new MOST POWERFUL. There's always a new reality warping person. It's kind of old hate at this point. But I like Rob so I listen to him.
That's what happens when you can't write a good story.. give the guy a lvl up. So bullshit
Isn’t that kinda how life works? 🤔
@@chriss.249True, but none are on the same scale as marvel. There are gods, gods of gods, gods of those gods, even gods of those gods💀💀 it’s never ending. How are there so many “all powerful” beings that can literally do anything… it’s just goofy
If the Dominion exists outside of both space and time then technically Xavier's plan to go back in time and kill Moira won't work in stopping the Dominion.
Dr. Doom is going to be pissed. Now we have a new Smartest there is.
He is a more successful Brainiac...currently.
So, basically you're saying that the writers saw Star Trek the Motion Picture, thought V'ger was a great idea and Enjgma was born?
Give Enigma a stupid space ship already and get it over with!
Wait, wrong Star Trek movie.
Personally i like the enigma been a multiversal thread outside of space and time but to me that shouldn't make him above the one above all. To me TOAA is outside of everything, is like the source on DC, is suppose to be over everything.
I like the fact that they want to rework the cosmic hirarchy but something to me should not change and is where you place TOAA
Which begs the Question, where was the Source during the Perpetua run?
You know.. this whole thing Kinda Reminds me of how in Bleach Aizen was trying to achieve power Beyond Gods by mastering and consolidating every discipline and source of mystical energy at first through experimentation of the creation of shinigami hollow hybrids and later through the hogyoku.
I think we're all going to get our turn at being "Marvel's Most Powerful God" the way it's going...
My theory is that the enigma is preparing for some threat that’s even further beyond the multiverse on an Omniversal scale
@comics explained one of the coolest things about this new paradigm is that it finally explains how one of Essex's students Herbert Wyndham (High Evolutionary) had attained so much more knowledge and power than Essex did. The answer is he didn't he only achieved more than his famous clone. Very cool (and probably accidental) touch.
Considering that the celestials are essentially, machines there is a part of me wondering why one of them didn't achieve this level of power. It almost feels like the one above all (god) is now meant to hand over it's power to the one above all ( celestial) . If I am missing something please let me know.
Tiamat escaped his programming and became something more but they never said exactly what he became.
i love this kinda explained videos. thank you.
i want more of this please.
Between defenders beyond and the fall of x saga being incredible stories, the connection between the two with the crown has been one of the absolute coolest things to watch happen in marvel for some time! It’s almost Hickman-esque in its execution
I have a feeling they'd just retcon this like what they did to Heart of the Universe storyline, that it was part of TOAA's plan all along and he's still the big guy, i'm still waiting for G.O.D.S. to finish, to my knowledge it's what will establish the current hierarchy
Always good to see you Rob ❤
If i had a nickel for every time rob said ‘God’
I love all the people saying enigma isn’t more power than TOAA just because they don’t want him to be. TOAA himself said he was so how exactly are you arguing your pointb
i liked that the symbol dominion/enigma used was a crown, and he
supposedly being more powerful than TOAA. I mean, the only thing above the king is the crown his wearing
Great new video setup man.
Love the in person explanations rob. Excited to hear more from you. Please keep it up!!
First it’s the one above all, then it was oblivion, and now it’s Enigma. At this point there isn’t any consistency, just whatever the writers decide for their specific story.
Great video Rob! Love the content and how lore accurate you are. I would kinda disagree though I would say the Enigma is more akin to cancer can be deadly powerful if left unattended but relatively easy once you catch it early . Nonetheless it’s a great way to introduce an upper echelon of power in the marvel universe and shake up the status quo
Say man, thank you so much for clearing this up. I started getting heavy into comics via your channel a few months ago and I just knew there was a reason I've always liked Sinister aside from his dope-ass design.
Especially with the summary here, I really DIG this run !
Great video. Love this style too where it's not just your voice. Also, great hook idea on the wall for bags, I'm definitely getting one!
knowledge is power
THANK YOU for explaining this!
The One above all still to me should've been left alone as the strongest and most powerful, the Creator of the marvel universe.
Marvel should've made that set in stone.. disappointing how they didn't make sure all these authors and new one that come in know that can't be changed.
I'm hoping a better writer then myself will recorrect the hierarchy in marvel.
I'm working on being a God myself...
Beyond Omega Level: Kulan Gath!👿
I love it when you talk about marvel's cosmic entity, one above all, etc. like those who's info are so limited.
This is my first time seeing your face in a video and holy sh*t your handsome. Your YT profile does not do you justice you gotta update that thing my guy. Love the content btw keep it up~
Beyond omega level: The Divine Creator
the dominion is more powerful than TOOA, but in order for the dominion to have come to existence it would’ve had to have happened in the multiverse by gathering all information and knowledge in the multi/universe and it gets more powerful eating multiverses? So how are they more powerful than TOOA maybe on par but how are they more powerful exactly?
Been kind of a shadow viewer watching without really commenting honestly glad you continue to tell us about comics and explain them in a way thats not to convoluted or confusing I appreciate that.
Can’t wait for the God above every above all infinitive plus one!!
I wouldn't be opposed to an "enigma crown" situation where the crown/ enigma consolidates itself into a celestial artifact that's divided and can be assembled back together becoming the "host" of enigma based on who wears it
Enigma Oblivion and the Mother of Horrors exist outside the TOAA so far could be more being in the future.
I loved the presentation this video 👍
I never knew this show existed. CC is the best comictube channel
"Where there are four...look for the fifth business" -Defenders Beyond in reference to Enigma.
Hey Rob, looking good brother. I can tell you're getting fit! As a fellow big boy, I love that you every now and then you'll mention that you're trying to get fit, and it helps me when I see ya making those goals!
You can do it brother, we both can!!
Apologies if it went over my head, but I don’t think it was clearly explained as to why Enigma is more powerful than TOAA
Let me try to explain, atleast from my understanding. The Enigma (The Crown Above All Things) is basically the anti-thesis to what TOAA stands for. TOAA as it is established in Defenders Beyond #5 embodies the highest creative force in the known existence, which makes him basically the stand-in for the writers themselves. On the other hand, The Enigma is the stand-in for the threat of AI-Consumptive, regurgitation of stories, and the end of creative writing which the writers themselves embody in TOAA. This is why Essex said that “The only good story is a story that has been entirely and totally consumed and exploited.” The Enigma is basically some sort of Roko’s Basilisk that signals the advent of the end of God. It is also probably why they would need the Phoenix to fight this force as the Phoenix is born of the void (read: nothingness) between states of being (read: existence/creation) and the sum total of psionic energy (read: thought), it is being used as a stand-in for organic creativity springing from human thought.
Granted knowledge of all 4 subjects the essex clones were created for is required.
What is stopping a character such as Doom from trying to achieve a domminion?
My question is, how the freak is all the knowledge getting stored, across multiple different timelines, into a single hidden location, that's always there, and always has enough space, and never runs out of power, and then definitely has the resources present and ready that will be necessary for it to utilize all this knowledge, and the speed at which all this information is transferred, and -who Marvel thought would swallow so many ad hoc plot points.
@@kurtlindner the machine that was made copying mora McTaggart's power. She remembers everything when she dies in a universe, it's the same but in a machine.
One above all = One below all = destroyer of all existence. Plz explain how a being who can destroy everything in existence, including presumably enigma, is weaker than enigma.
Comics Explained, please cover Maestro World War M.
1) I thought there was a multiversal Eternity. Is that not cannon?
2) SS also escaped the collapse, not sure where he went to but he definitely made it out. Where did he go?
One above wall is the writers , Enigma is the corporate guy who kills of unpopular universes 😂
Getting knowledge from 1 single universe. Shouldn't make you stronger than the one above all. It still makes no sense. The one above all literally has all of that knowledge it made that knowledge
Refreshing to see "on-Camera" Rob.
I like this explanation thanks rob like the fit👍🏼
Dude youve been doing some great videos, i look forward tk every video.... Love ya for it buddy, the love of comics is a strong force . Great vocation and purpose in life you have here
Nothing in the comic suggests that Enigma is above the One Above All though. Where are you drawing this conclusion from?
From the literal Source material it's literally saying that the Enigma is above one above all so is the crown that's because you like the one above all more doesn't mean anything
@@josyahbryant8719no its not saying that. The OAA just tells the defenders that there is a coming threat
@@Keppie6 Exactly. People really lack reading comprehension.
If anything, Defenders beyond#5 reinforces the idea that TOAA is the avatar of the creators, i.e marvel's writers
I need the haters to stop messing up the comment section. Rob does great work that I appreciate immensely.
I still fail to see how Dominion is more powerful than The One Above All (TOAA) . It is certainly a transcendental being. I feel this whole idea of a being more powerful than TOAA is just a spillover effect of Thanos: The Infinity Conflict Storyline by Jim Starlin
This style of storytelling is on par Rob
Most frustrating thing is everyone or close there of, is trying to unseat the creator of the Marvel Universe lately. It's like that dang song, "everything You can do everything, but i can do better", and with this new generation of writers it's like that.
Anything you can do I can do better! I can do anything better than you!
No you can't....Yes I can, yes I can, YES I CAAAANNN!🤣
There is nothing beyond THE ONE ABOVE ALL, i think you might be misinterpreting the comic.
The Enigma is like the lost one. They jacking the One Above All's style🤣🤣
Yay, more powerful tools and Gods.
thanks for the video
Am I losing my mind, when did the video colors start being reflected in the UI of UA-cam?
Well explained rob
I wish you explained more about loki's first encounter with enigma because I can't find that anywhere
Will this event clash with Thor’s ongoing event. The foreshadowed future of Thor where thanos becomes a god. God Thanos vs Enigma
lookin good rob!
You still haven't explained what makes the Enigma Dominion more powerful than the One Above All. What actually indicates that is the case? Also what indicates the limitations of the One Above All that could make it conceivably less powerful than other entities?
As far as I'm aware, Enigma being more powerful is just speculation.
AFAIK the only time they do allude to this being the case, is in the Defenders run Rob mentions. They say it very clearly there that TOAA has some degree of limitations or is bound to act within certain ways -it's ridiculous, and not very compelling. The whole story was super hack-y anyway.
No complaints if they can actually stick to it.
If it’s as fickle a structure as all other quick grabs for cash that I see nowadays then I’ll just take what’s on the menu. I’m not the pickiest. I just won’t be able to remember any food for thought provided.
Good to see you behind the desk. The structure of this channel is top notch.
Hickman's Time Runs out Avengers story is the greatest story ever told in comics.
Sinister is getting way more than he deserves.
How is it now that I have made the connection between enigma and the crown
Pfft, if the Enigma Dominion is so powerful, where are his hands?
They way you explained the Enigma Dominion sounds like Dr. Manhattan to me, which I refer to him as "Schrodinger's cat".
If it's all about knowledge shouldn't the One above all be just as powerful or are there comics that explain he has gaps in knowledge?
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I think that if Dominion is achievable in ANY way, it would only have to be achieved with whatever combination of powers and skills *needed presently.* Remember, the Nathaniel Essex A.I. gathered all information on powers and skills and only picked out all the little details needed to achieve god-hood/divinity, which was exactly how the A.I. became the *Enigma Dominion.* The clue to all of this would seem to be that whatever the A.I. picked out that was of such necessity would have to be the most primary resort *for the present.* Also, keep in mind the etymological definition of the term "enigma", which means *mystery.* This implies to me that the Enigma Dominion is literally *the highest rank of power throughout the Marvel Universe (Multiverse?),* actually having managed to exceed beyond the One Above All....
...but then this begs the question of exactly what category of the "All" the One is actually "Above"...?
Does The Crown remind anyone of the lead up to Doomsday clock
The Crown stole Jack Kirbys pen, that's why he's so powerful. Plot=finished
I love this channel so much but am gonna be honest I don't like the idea of something being more powerful than one above all that just render the name useless😢 and am not a fan of it
Nathaniel Essex: Made In Heaven
Interesting concept
This video is not accurate. You can't all powerful (omnipotent) if you are not omniscient (all knowing). Enigma/dominion is clearly not omniscient. It doesn't even know Charles Xavier has done (just one example of many).
Love this video. Should totally do more Martian Manhunter 😂
My question in all of this is where are the other powerful "gods" when one of the other gods or unimaginably powerful beings threatens all existence or wipes out everything?
If I recall correctly, isn’t Carnage doing the same thing (trying to achieve a level of dominion/godhood)?
Yeah he is basically. So is Eddie even if he’s more on a set path that tries to prevent another Knull coming along
Definitely not feeling this Dominion deal
So now the question is did the Dominion allow the Beyonder to escape the physical concept of being in a comic book in Defenders Beyond or is the Beyonder as whatever form it is in now even more powerful than the Dominion itself?
Enigma Force in Micronauts was dope AF.
Oh... I have ALL the questions. But I'll wait to see how things play out in the story.
If the 1 above all really did exist outside of space n time then how is the dominion even able to be more powerful or gain that lvl of power without the 1 above alls permission?? 🤔🤔🤔
He also said that Oblivion is the most powerful being.
Which one is it?
Happy new year Rib... curious as to how new G.O.D.S series interplays with this new narrative?