What Colleges and Graduate Schools Don't Want You to Know
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- Опубліковано 18 тра 2011
- Why you should not automatically assume college or grad school is as wise as conventional wisdom would have you believe. Also, why govt should require each college to prominently post on its website an externally audited report card on itself. This and many other practical but not obvious ideas are in my book, HOW TO DO LIFE: amzn.to/3z6X63v
"I never let schooling get in the way of my education" - Mark Twain
trent sohnle that just means you should always try to learn more
Newyork - no dumbass, it means that don't let the bullshit brainwashing of school system prevent you from educating yourself about real things.
sure the conspiracists can twist and turn the meaning however they like and the simplistic kinds can look at it in a very literal way
it means wherever you are you should always ALWAYS long for MORE knowledge and never be a "know it all" bc you will never get better like that- even if a school system is inaccessible or your school days are over you should never let that stop you from continuing your education
newyorks516 If that were the case, the quote should be "I never let schooling be the end of my education." But rather, he means that in stead of being only book smart, get some actual experience with things that matter. Self-education is far more powerful than schooling.
"We do live in a society that values designer labels"
Don’t let that make you feel better
We live in a society
@@gonosol BOTTOM TEXT
The hardest hurdle to getting an Ivy league degree, is getting accepted, and being able to afford it. If you can get accepted, and can afford it, having a diploma from a top rated university will open doors.
Sad, but true.
If only I saw this video when it came out.
Cody'sLab Hey Cody, your channel is great! :)
Helped me figure to be satisfied with my Master's degree.
right!
I feel you faith! I am sooo torn because as I submit apps for a PsyD or DBA.....I guess (as candid) as can be....I really want to the 'Doctor' title. that way I can say I have really completed education and can move onto something else LMAO AHAHHAHAHA petty i know but honest....soooo
Lmao
he looks like the teacher from the incredibles.
Omg he does😌
Coincidence I think not!
XD OMG
DUUUUUUDE I LITERALLY JUST LOOKEC HIM UP ON GOOGLE AND DID A COMPARISON
talks like it too
I think every high school student needs to see this before they apply to college.
+cxa011500 I don't. They shouldn't be lied to and told 30% of them are special ed when they're not.
Krish Nathan
Right, cause the people at the auto mechanic school, barber college, beautician school, and HVAC training center don't want to make money. Somehow making money makes what's provided for the money not valuable. Yeah...that makes a lot of sense.
+cxa011500 Trade schools are for the incompetent.
Reactor Matrix Lol. There are scores of incompetent people in universities. Some of them are even the professors.
+Reactor Matrix I'll tell that to my well payed mechanic, roofer and plumber. I've needed their services this last year. And I am pleased with their competence.
I was starting to question college as a whole in my senior year but everyone acts like it's literally the only option. Now I'm dorming at a college, I have no idea what I want to do with my life & don't feel as if I'm getting any closer. These classes are JUST like in high school, it doesn't broaden your horizons, it's just more shit to check off to get to the end.
If you aren't studying science, medicine, law, or engineering then you are likely wasting your money and time. Unless your life's passion is academics. Nearly everything else can be learned for free online or at the library and demonstrated to a potential employer without a degree.
sirachman everyone is telling me that even tho it's useless employers still want to see a degree in something to hire you. i was thinking of being an electrician my mom was like no lol
Devin Menge I work in automation and let tell you there is quite alot of money to be made in trade skills I'm 24 and I made 65,000 this last year and 57,000 the year before. Working in a trade skill is honest hard work but at the end of the day I have full benefits and am paid 27 bucks a hour for it with a cap of 65-85/hour if I contract myself out under my own employment. I'm a college dropout making twice what my peers in high school that got dagrees are making because of demand in the workplace. Don't look for a job that is perfect, look for a job you can do that's vacant and you think you can handle that other people can't and that's were you can make a niche.
I graduated and have been working for two years and am just about to quit and do something completely different because I never took a break to discover myself and what I want to do. I wish I could go back to where you are now and postpone school. Please do yourself a favor and explore your interests. Community college is cheap and has an intro class to anything.
abagOmoney I think I'd enjoy something like that more that whatever regular office job anyway. As an electrician you can make around that, the average electrician salary in NYC is apparently 80k a year. I've wanted to live there, my real passion is art shit so I figured I could do that in my spare time & use being an electrician or something to pay the bills. & it would not be hard to move bc I already live in CT. My mom told me that 50k is "nothing," & that I need at least 100k to live. Apparently my dad has been making 200k, even though we live in a crappy 2 story house that's falling apart & is filled with junk bc she hoards. I mean I know CT is expensive but I don't know what to believe with them.
I've been a licensed flight instructor for three years, passed many students. My local university will not allow me teach certain aeronautic/aviation classes part time because I only have a 4-year degree and not a PhD. I know more about teaching than people with PhDs and it is infuriating.
Daytona Sixty-Eight --- I think having someone with a PHD teach undergraduate classes (especially lower division classes) is a bad idea. Why? 1. A lot of the people with PHD's are more concerned about their research than teaching college classes and helping students. 2. They are overqualified to teach lower division classes. I prefer someone with a master's degree or someone who is in graduate school teaching a undergraduate class. Also, if I was in a accounting class, I would prefer a CPA accountant or an EA (enrolled agent) accountant teach an undergraduate accounting class over a person with a PHD or Masters in Accounting. Why? Because the former kind of accountants probably had years of work experience in prestigious companies or organizations like the BIG 4 and the IRS so they can give you the inside knowledge on what it takes to become an accountant. 3. A lot of the PHD professors do not even speak good English. You can tell by their accents. To be fair though, a few graduate students at my university did not speak good English too but it was worse with the PHD professors than with the graduate students. 4. PHD professors are probably more strict in their grading standards than people with masters degrees or who are graduate student TA's. 5. Finally, some of the people with PHD's are some of the most arrogant people I have ever met. For example, some of them are disrespectful to the students. I remember taking a higher level Calculus class (it was either Calculus 3 or Differential Equations) class in university and the class average on a midterm was low (average score was in the mid 60's in terms of percentage). When a student asked the professor, if the class is going to be curved, the professor literally laughed and said, "Hell no, I am not going to curve this class! Heck, if you think the midterm was tough, wait until you get a load of the final exam. And if you think this class is tough, wait until you get a load of your upper division math and/or upper division engineering or physics classes. If you are struggling with this class, don't bother taking any more difficult classes like this one because you obviously can't handle the work." Luckily for me, I withdrew from the class because I was below the average on the midterm even though I did well on the homework and was average on the quizzes. Plus, it turns out the professor did fail many people after the final exam so at least he wasn't kidding. Also, he did not help students solve difficult math problems because he wants the students to solve the problems on their own. My point is there are some professors who have no interest in helping students. In fact, some of them want to find ways to fail students.
Bottom line, those are my reasons why I do not want people with PHD's teaching undergraduate classes. I prefer people with masters degrees (preferably for advanced lower and upper division classes) or people who are graduate students (preferably for lower division) teaching those classes while PHD's teach grad-level classes.
Are you talking about Riddle?
@@samitjaiswal No. This is a public university.
I have Chemistry Piled Higher and Deeper, and it has been my observation that very few PhD's are willing to serve their time in the trenches. The business where I spent my last 18 years of work recruited a PhD and offered him a real sweet deal--it didn't work out, evidently because the idea that he might have something to learn from people who had been doing the work since before he was born, as well as the concept that he should earn his keep, seemed completely novel to him. Survival is the best revenge.
I have a master's degree. I also have a pretty good job. A friend of mine has a high school education. He bought swimming pool business a few years ago. He makes more money than I do.
How come you didn't go half with him and buy into the business?
@@itsmecaseyle it’s a family business and he didn’t ask me. It’s his business.
@@MrWilly2204 why didn't you ask him for you to join? Stop beating around the bush and just say laziness took your part. It's fine. Not everyone should be Business people
"If you can get into Harvard or Stanford you should go. We live in a society which values designer labels" hooo, so true, Harvard is a brand. You're paying for the entry on your resume, and you're *not* paying for the privilege to learn; there is not much to learn at Universities that you can't learn on your own.
yep i've been considering going back to uni but ONLY to get that 'qualification,' because I know that given the time I could learn any of it on my own
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Does it mean that people with high enough intelligence do understand it already, therefore should not care about those labels, and people with low intelligence are all about labels? In this case, if you go to Harvard your future employer has to be dumber than you are, which is kinda ironic.
You attend Harvard for the networking too. Like you roommate's well connected parents.
Steve, i think that would be the main reason to attend Harvard and such. And i am not saying that the quality of education there is bad, just saying that networking there would be the best justification for the tuitions.
I went to a community college and walked out with two associate degrees and $2,000 in debt. My good friend who went to a university and only went one year and didn't even get their associates degree, is $15,000 in debt. I was blown away and felt bad for her. I want her to finish at a community college so she can at least say she got a degree for her efforts. He's completely right, colleges are companies looking for money, not the nice "nonprofit" feeling they make you think they are.
I have a master's degree and it was apparent from the beginning that colleges are just in it for the money and for the power and control they have over gullible young people.
TheAndeegail Im a senior in highschool with decent grades and test scores, but I am iffy on going to an actual uni now.. Isnt going to a CC bad for most peoplr because they cannot transfer out sometimes after the 2 years because of the lack of credits, or how harsh the system is? (This is pure speculation, I am not sure how viable and truthful that is).
I'm 23 and what this man says is what I've always thought. Don't go to college unless you are going to study engineering, medical school, law, or if you want to do research.
@DDrummer Takes guts to do what you did, wish your the best man :)
So your 27 now and how's life going for you?
@@chillyman7340 I became a cryptocurrency multi millionaire, pretty good, lol.
@@zxcasdqwe33 Hahaha yeah right lol but I'm glad your still alive and well after 4 years lol
@@chillyman7340 i'm not lying xD
This man does speak the truth. Colleges are a money grab. I have professors that are not qualified to teach, can not even speak English, let alone explain abstract concepts that are very complicated to begin with. Unfair examinations that sometimes will get most of the class shocked. After a couple semesters, you start to realize that the system does not want you to succeed, the system wants you to fail the course so that you can pay another 800 dollars to do it again. I've been in school for 2 years in Computer Science and have honestly learned more in a 4 month job placement than in all of my time in school. Most of the material you are taught in school is out-dated by 20 to 30 years and is no longer being used in the real world.
Very true. Some people who claim to be over qualified are not good lecturers at all. As an educator studying for a masters degree, I see that most of our students appreciate not the higher titles but delivery from graduates who are in touch with reality.
bUt iT t3AChEs U h0w tO ThInk!
@@christophermwandu7359 It's funny how a "higher title" actually used to mean great delivery to students, it used to mean that a person was skilled, capable, literate and a well spoken educator. Now the meaning has diluted and titles no longer hold importance. I've worked with Masters students, undergraduates and Phds and from experience I see that a deep interest in the subject, genuine curiosity and work-ethic beats any title you have.
@@CitizenLou3For my field, and other scientific/math fields, yes college will teach you how to think abstractly using logic and predicates. It doesn't necessarily encourage creativity or new ways of thinking, at least in the maths. Arts faculty have gone a completely different route. They don't have models of rational thought, they don't use propositional logic or statistical inference, and so they teach indoctrination, kind of what priests do in a Church.
The issue is not being taught by teachers who can’t speak good English unless u are in an English class. If your English was that important you would be the one teaching and those bad English speaking teachers would be the ones being taught. U sound like classmates in one of my classes where the teacher has a bit of an accent and students always say they have a hard time understanding him while he speaks very clear and understandable English. Accent means nothing,there are different accents of the English language. Again some people are multilingual and you can’t expect them to speak the way you speak because their other languages influence how they speak English. I assume you speak one language like a cow.
A lot of young people believe that trades for example are for people who are not intelligent. Funny thing is they get paid more than a lot of college grads. I went to Uni and now I have debt and I don't even make as much as my bro in construction who's already getting 30+/hr and has a down payment for an apartment.
I know what you mean... I use to believe the BS propaganda too... IMHO, ANY EDUCATION should be priced according to it's MARKET VALUE.
A BS art history degree should be priced at 1/2 the value of a local trade school etc.
Trades are good if you just "want a quick job" and make a decent salary. I think the reason they are looked down upon is because they do not require as much rigorous or sophisticated thinking that is needed for a college degree. College can really open up your mind and provide you will an excellent skill set, that is only if you choose the right major and put in the large amount of work required that is needed in college, which sadly today many people fail to do. In college you tend to "work with your brain" rather than "work with your body" i.e construction, plumbing, electrician etc.
Oh yes they do! You have to think "So how do I deal with this spill?" Well, at least I am always thinking of the process on how to do stuff.
EvaSlash...I will take COMMON SENSE over book smarts any day of the year.
You are also trading years of life, apprenticeships often accompany labor, and labor in any form will lower your health when you are older. But who wants to be in a wheelchair for 10 years? Just destroy your body with your labor job and enjoy the money you make, then jump out of a plane when most people "retire" now that sounds cool.
Why are people attacking? Try and step outside your old school mentality! American is all about business and profit and it is clear that colleges and universities take the reign. It is disturbing to realize but all the more true. Think, many countries have universities free, not because their education is less valuable, but because they are all around more ethical.
Every day has become an effort to focus on the positive while the negative creeps in by way of business mandates and reliance upon others' presumed at least amicable nature~ I was so proud to have served in the USAF, but entering capitalist society after medical discharge was a rude re-awakening. The CONUS houses legitimately concerned and benevolent people, but also is far less restrained than others countries in ability to *literally* lie and do business and get by with loophole technicalities, at the expense of millions, at what seems a bad joke to consider ethical.
I realize it may be just echoing a portion of what you stated, but I wanted to add upon it in agreement. My college experience has been useful spread between private and community locations, and major changing for different reasons, but ultimately resulting to serve the community itself. Others might wish to enrapture in big business and possible loss of soul, figuratively stating, but the underlying truth in it all seeming that whatever path/method is chosen will take initiative rather than rely on an older formula of college + dedication = stability/satisfaction.
If it was all about profit, why didn't MIT admit me even though I'm paying 100% for everything but admitted others with funding?
MilitanT07 Are you in your mom's basements also? Your own logic applied...definitely not college material...
He's not "attacking" miss defensive (why is this always invoked? wanting victim status?). He's telling people to rethink why they are going to college, what they think they will gain etc. The value the market for college graduates has dropped, you give no reasons why this is not true? The fact is if you speak to employers college graduates are not valued anymore, at all. As everyone applying will have a degree, it now has to be very specific masters etc., along with industry experience etc etc.
It's not ethical to convince people to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a degree that will not help employment prospects. Free college would be a disaster, if you do not understand why. I can't help you... (PS- no such thing as free university in any nation.) Do you even know what ethical means? It's not just what you personally think is moral...you know that right?
It's clear you didn't really watch the video nor understand it, you should not go to college either. As it would be a waste of yours and everyone else's time. If you cannot understand why without invoking "race"or something pathetically insipid like that it just adds to the evidence doesn't it. As I'm guessing that's what you're gunna do, going by the idiotic duck face your avatar is pulling...
Christopholaes That how a loser looks when he can't defend his point.
Yep, I used to be really jealous of my friends who went to fancy far away university while I worked full time going to community college while living with my parents, but now I'm a 4th year student with 0 debt and most of my friends that graduated are back home sitting on their ass working at restaurants wondering why the hell they wasted all that money for. I'm grateful that my parents were able to see through the BS and talk me into it.
That being said, my degree is kinda useless, but if I'm gonna get a useless degree I'll be damned if I go into debt for it.
you dodged a bullet. btw what did you major in?
Lol now you feel better?
@@smagee7548 I mean, yeah I do. I'm not hyper-focused on fairness. If other people get to experience being debt-free good for them.
I am the same way! 0 debt and working as a therapist assistant to save up for graduate school 🥰
I'm a graphic designer and I'm making 16 hr , and I have friends who have done online affordable course without degrees and are earning up to 30 hr easily, it makes me cuestion I should've not gone to college, a degree doesn't make you superior than anyone. great video.
its the people with 'degrees' who have screwed it all up
THIS NEEDS TO BE SHOWN AT EVERY HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION
This video is just as relevant today. I have a learning disability, so it took me eight years to graduate. I'm twenty-seven now. I may not have any debt, but it was one of the biggest mistakes of my life going to college. Life is not a Disney movie; don't go, and listen to this man.
Plus, community college was vastly superior to my university.
UA-cam Peter Schiff College
@@user-lu6yg3vk9z I watched that too
My professor of Principles of Engineering Economic Analysis was from China. He didn't EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH. The only way I passed with a 4.0 in the course was b/c I treated it like an independent study and devoured the textbooks. The professor was useless to me but he was a great researcher....and owned a Chinese restaurant - for real.
don't go to a low-ranking college lol
This video was posted in 2011
Even though I haven't seen it until now in 2019
It's become even more relevant
I spent my entire 20's high every day and playing world of warcraft, collected like 5 ei claims, didn't work at all for years, then at 29 I was like ok I think I need to start trying at life. I got a job in waste water and I am making $70k a year since.
+rustyscrapper Hey I am a mirror image of you hehe but damn its hard to get through the pre interview exam screen. You give me hope that one day I can get there, I'm only 27 so I'll keep pushing it.
+rustyscrapper lol you the man!
+rustyscrapper This man right here people......what a fucking boss...
lucky you
+Logos Ops Dude you still need 2 more years of weed experience before you can work in that lucrative waste water industry.
I actually think going to College opened my mind up to entrepreneurship. I do agree with the fact that a lot of schools do raise workers and not leaders, but I think a lot of factors come into play. For example what advisers do you have, are you spending more time partying than learning, Do you have a passion or hobby when you are out of class, etc etc. Great video, but I strongly feel Discipline will help you have a successful career. Having a degree or not having a degree has nothing to do with that in my opinion. I currently have a BA and I am working side jobs composing for games. I feel college helped me get to this point with all of the connections I have made. I hope this helps someone.
Schematist how do you find the games you compose for? Composing for games is the career I want but I'm having trouble with where to start
Nice opinion
I got a Bachelor of Science in Information Technology and I knew when I started that it was all about having it on my resume because at least half the jobs required it. I learned far more valuable skills studying programming on my own than I did from the college courses because of how theoretical they tended to be. Most of the stuff I studied was stuff I already knew or stuff I'll never use in my career and it was still worth it to double my chances of employment when I'm out of a job.
Bert Stir to bad employers don't accept your own personal education on your resume today
Jackson Nielsen
Actually with web development about half of the employers are willing to accept someone with a really good portfolio or an extremely high rating on Stack Overflow even if they have no degree beyond high school.
Bert Stir that's good
I totally get where you are coming from. I went back to school and did a multiple degrees just to have them on my cv. It was just to satisfy the system. I remember calling a place about an IT job that I could have done hands down because I knew how to code in C\C++ but they said they wanted someone with the degree. That was when I realised the folly of it all it. I knew people in my comp sci classes who couldn't code and couldn't wrap their minds around the concepts. They confessed that they just looked for certain keywords in the questions and regurgitated algorithms they had memorised and passed. Having a degree means nothing skills wise. I taught myself every programming language I know.
That's why I got a business administration with MIS degree
SUMMARY:
1) Some fields like doctor, lawyer, accountant, chemist, engineering, etc REQUIRE A DEGREE. Go to a public college and get a degree.
2) Some fields do not require a degree. Plumber, welder, mechanic, office tech, police, firemen, etc. Do NOT go to college for these fields. It's a waste of money.
3) Do NOT go to college for useless degrees where there is little demand. Sociology, psych, art, theatre, etc. 500 applicants per job opening. It's a waste.
Even in accounting the Big 4 accounting firms say nothing you learned in college matters, you'll learn it on the job.
People who go to college usually go because they want to learn...more philosophical reasons as opposed to financial reasons.
Too late...
College is for STEM majors, and they need to only teach THE CORE SUBJECTS... the first 2 years are fluff... expensive fluff. The whole system has to change or collapse under it's weight.
Trade schools can teach plumbing etc, and those people make the same income as the average College grade.
Also, community college can educate you to become a dental hygienist, Radiation treatment therapist etc, these fields make almost as much as a veterinary doctor.
The value of a degree is not based on the school, but the job market.
Top comment. The credit requirements to get degrees are insane. It really is a rigged system to siphon money from you in the thin veil of claiming to make well-rounded graduates.
cramsa would you say pharmacy is a valuable degree?
cramsa Not based on the school, are you sure?
In Florida, I got my first two years of college completely payed for during high school. I graduated high school with my AA degree but I have no idea what to do next.
cramsa in engineering some of my core subjects were absolutely useless at the workplace. Whereas, some very required and important subjects were untouched so I have to learn them on my own. In trade schools technologists study a great program that teaches them all the skills needed exactly for the job they will be doing. So firms will hire technologists rather than fresh graduates.
Thank you for saying this. I'm a former college administrator and I believe the same.
Meredith Dickenson Hi Meredith.. You deserve a house, for free.
I have a master's degree and I'm shocked at how little administrators actually care for the students.
Yeah after 6+ years "going to college" I have an associates and looking at trades with a huge debt on my back and wondering why I was so stubborn forcing myself to keep hammering away.
You were lied to that is all. Don't worry, it's not entirely your fault. At least you know the truth now.
Your not the only one man. I've been at community college for 8 years and only have three classes left to get my associates of science degree. Now I'm trying to learn a trade in automotive instead since I like working with my hands.
Mark Breidenbaugh, it took you 6+ yrs to get an associates degree?
@@binzsta86 , you had no business going to college, you just were not cut out for it.
@@chickendogful I got pretty good grades actually. However, I don't like having thoughts of "what if" going through my mind spending all this time and money and not knowing if I will find a job after I'm done, that's why I'm going with my intuition by dropping out.
My concern is, we now use bachelor's degrees, like we once required a high school diploma, as a "gateway", to employment. We use lazy screening now, because it's safer from a legal standpoint, to just weed out those candidates that don't at least have a 4 year degree. Not everyone has what it takes to be a successful entrepreneur. Most people just aren't cut out for it. So they need employment, and for the best employment opportunities, they need degrees.
But I do agree with you. I wish it weren't the way it is.
This guy is spot on... young adults please listen to him. He is telling you what your parents and college advisors will fail to address.
I started at community college and eventually went all the way to a Ph.D. Four schools in all. My best teachers in mathematics and science were at the community college. My best teachers in the humanities were at a small liberal arts college. The two research institutions I attended were profit machines without souls. I refuse to adjunct because I consider it scab labor. I wound up working in the military, where daily I see kids taking a wiser course than mine. They're performing a service to their nation, for which they can be proud the rest of their lives. They're getting credentials that in many cases allow them to step into $60K jobs after four years (caveat: heavily dependent upon the specialty they pursue). And at the moment, they're tapping into the best G.I. Bill since WWII, so that when they do pursue college (with a lot more maturity and self-awareness than the average high school graduate), they finish debt-free.
Yes, volumes spoken there about the relative "quality" of education at various institutions. Knowledge can be gained at a library. Instruction can be gained on UA-cam. A designer label? Ivy League opens doors.
+Rick Rose My best math teachers were definitely in college. Take the time to find the right classes, and spend time outside of class talking to your professors. It makes a difference.
I went to community college while in the reserves (specialized in IT and signal) and later majored in Physics at a research university. Even though it's a tough major that falls under the STEM category, it's a pure science, so there are not a lot of job opportunities with just a bachelor's in this field. I could go in the IT direction, but I often feel Physics is more high tech and hip, while my experience at an IT shop doing tech support wasn't very fulfilling.
I also felt a little old attending a research university as a 25 year old among traditional 18-22 year olds. This was especially true in student organizations where the president and officers are younger than you, yet outrank you because of they spent more time at the school and the organization -- and so you are stuck having to associate with the even younger members, but you have a difficult time identifying with them because of the age difference. However, the upside was that I was able to better connect with graduate students. So I've decided to pursue a Ph.D., while hopefully do some side projects (programming, electronics, data analytics) that might lead to money on the side or better job prospects in the future.
I wish you luck. Please try to do it without taking on debt!
I agree with this guy 100% I went to a 4 year university and earned a degree in operations management that didn't do me jack shit for good. Had I not went and earned an airframe and powerplant license to work on aircraft as a backup plan I'd probably be saying "welcome to Walmart" at this very moment. Best thing I ever did!! Sure, I might get my hands dirty at times and smell like jet fuel but at least I'm able to put groceries on the table, a roof over my family's head and clothes on our backs! The college bubble is going to burst someday, its only a matter of time. Unless you get a degree in law, medicine, nursing, teaching, computer science or engineering you're just pissing in the wind. Still yet even some of those jobs don't pay so great anymore; engineers used to make $150 or more year but that field has become so glutted if you can find a an engineering job making about $60K to $70K consider yourself damn lucky!
When it comes to law, many of those jobs are in short supply. In fact several years ago there was a lawsuit being filed by law graduates against their law schools because the schools had misleading advertisements. Some law schools would claim that 90% of their graduates would find work within one year of graduating. The truth is that most of their graduates who found work would be working in jobs that had nothing to do with the legal field. Some would work at Starbucks, others at Walmart, some would be hired to work in the law school's admissions office to make their statistics on employment look better. This is clearly very unethical for law schools to advertise with false and misleading statistics.
Absolutely bro, I know a lawyer friend that is now a grant writer and researcher and is making pretty decent money doing it. He almost had me talked into going to law school instead of nursing school. I'm glad I didn't. I make double what he did as a lawyer just starting out. and it took him 2yrs to find a position in a firm. They paid him 48K a yr to start when he left, he was making 52K. I make over a 100K with a nursing degree working 5 days a week. 3, 12hrs shifts at the hospital that employees me and 2 days a week per diem at another hospital. Bam. I don't live a baller life, yes i have a few nice things but I pay my debt. and soon it's gonna be all gone. Law is BS, Medical field MD, DO, BSN, NP, PA that's job security and great pay. college is still worth it if the right profession is chosen.
BallinNQnz Absolutely it is! Yeah, they found work alright but it was work where they were saying things like "welcome to Walmart!" Any idea as to the outcome of that lawsuit?
Nunya Buzinezz That's music to my ears! My daughter is planning on going to nursing school to be a pediatric nurse and when I show her what she'll potentially be making I know she'll be pleased to hear that!
Like engineers lawyers are also fast becoming a dime a dozen. A buddy of mine went into law and he makes about $65K now but hell, even without my degree I make more than that! Of course I don't live a baller life either but I live comfortably and my debt is almost gone as well. You can drive down (for example) some streets in Pensacola, Florida where I spent time working at the Naval Air Base and what to you see? A several mile stretch of houses with "attorney at law"....."attorney at law"....."attorney at law" written on them! Pensacola isn't even classified as a medium sized city; how many damn lawyers do you need?
Phayzyre105 I did not look up the results of that lawsuit. Another thing is certain jobs that paid very well and where jobs were plentiful was pharmacy. Here in NYC pharmacists always earned well and outside of NYC usually earned a lot more. Nowadays there are a lot of pharmacy schools in the NYC area and the job opportunities are not out there like they used to be. Also, it is now very difficult to open up ur own pharmacy.
There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.
so you can't count
AJman14 apparently my reading ability is the real problem
What is the third kind of person?
Why should people go to college anymore when anything you can learn about the humanities is online?
+Brandon Routt A necessary evil? Poor word choice... I haven't even graduated yet and if I had the time to work full time I'd make $50,000 a year. Once I graduate, I am going to make AT LEAST $70,000 in my first year.
I am providing a service to society that someone without a college education is not capable of providing. To call it evil is ignorant.
A person with a degree in humanities is practically useless to society.
Reactor Matrix
That's if you can find a job with the huge influx of STEM majors. Also, people with degrees in the humanities are not useless to society, hahah. Without them all collectively, the world would be way less efficient and a lot of humanitarian-type jobs wouldn't exist.
+Brandon Routt You have a really shitty major. You're going to need at least a masters to even get a job,and it's not going to have that much flexibility. If you want real money with flexibility, you're going to need a PHd.
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Enjoy your 50,000 a year and 140,000 of debt. Did they mention it takes 4 years of internships and shit positions before you even get that 50,000?
madasylum1
I've got a friend with a psych degree making decent money with minimal debt and no Masters... So you're pretty wrong there. Bio and chem don't have as much potential without additional education.
I do not want to dump any cold water on anyone's dreams. What the poster stated about the changing economic times causing concomitant changes in perceptions and demand for college graduates (especially higher degree holders with Master's and PhDs) is actually quite true. White-collar jobs are gradually reducing in numbers because of the austerity that is now pervading in the west. When I lived in Australia, a friend who had a Master's in Architecture told me very blatantly that he got his current job only by virtue of sleeping with someone who knew his boss as a friend! It is very warped as a way of thinking but the underlying basis is that connections and people who can help you probably are more important than college degrees per se. That said, a college degree is supposed to train you in critical thinking skills, and often serves as a signalling mechanism for the person's assimilation of knowledge and critical thinking.
+Kevin Jang
It truly depends on what jobs you want to look at. The discussion should be about what types of degrees and fields of study not the relevance of a degree.
+Kevin Jang I agree. Anyone I know who is making money at their white-collar job is doing so because they know someone. It's so hard for first-generation college students who are the first in their families to try to make something of themselves.
+Ashley Dufault Um yea... I work in a corporate office and got my job without a connection. It's possible... You just need to know how to write a resume and have interview skills. This is the part where most people fail. I've seen some resumes that just make me laugh...
+Reactor Matrix Are you getting paid decently? I've seen some pretty unbelievable resumes myself, haha.
+Ashley Dufault Current internship pays $25 and I work whenever I want. Full time job pays around $80,000 first year. Nuclear Engineering is awesome. Most people in the industry are old and retiring, so demand for new graduates is huge. Research is never ending for people that want graduate degrees.
A college degree is to our generation what a high school diploma was to our parents for getting hired. It's a minimum bar. No degree? Don't even try.
Most jobs now are even asks for masters.. bachelor isn't an advantage it's the "basic" thing to have .. I have a bachelor in electrical engineering and soon a master's ..most decent jobs asks for masters or PhD.
My college dorm room first year experience: First roommate was a drunk who frequently sought hook ups, no courtesy of the sock on the door or if I was sleeping. The second, a druggie who wet himself when he was dragged in by friends after a night of partying. That dorm experience imo is a load of nonsense.
Well it was non sense for you my form experience was pretty nice
@@Coolguy-mk7hg you must of been his drunk room mate hooking up a lot lol X D
@@amazinglats6020 No I was the straight A physics student. My roommate was also pretty cool he was a computer science major and respectful. And everyone we meet was very cool.
What he says about community colleges is very true: you will find smaller classes that are not being taught by TAs (actual PhDs teaching freshman-level classes, for example), and your classes will be MUCH cheaper.
I believe everyone should at least attend community college, and not necessarily right out of high school. Live some life first and then go to school. The general ed classes help to teach critical thinking and analysis, and since a community college is teaching-focused rather than research-focused, you will have a greater chance of being taught by a good teacher. Community colleges also offer technical and vocational training for those students who are not going into higher academia. They are also much more in touch with the needs of the community and serve the needs of the general public.
Tom Hanks likes community colleges too: www.nytimes.com/2015/01/14/opinion/tom-hanks-on-his-two-years-at-chabot-college.html?_r=0
jeff hollie The prez will ruin it.
jeff hollie Only issue that would pop up is if Community College is a gateway into a 4 year. Expect something like half your credits to not be counted as they are not on the same level. Also employers never seem to see 2 year degree's compared to 4 year.
I watched this vid a few years back. But this is what I have been telling people since I was in HS. I graduated in 04, didnt spend a day in college, now I won my own business and its lucrative.
SO, how does one "WIN" their business?
M.Night207 what's your business? I am 17 yrs old (high-school )senior and I want to be an entrepreneur
Ok, That was supposed to say 'OWN' now won. Anyway, I own an online clothing line, a handyman service and just recently a commercial and residential property maintenance business.
Gumer, you can own what ever youd like. You are at a perfect age to start something up. What would you like to do?
M.Night207 How did your transition work?
Josh B What transition?
North is spot-on with this piece, as proved by the stunning number of college grads still living at home at the age of 28-32 because they're unemployed and unemployable. They know nothing of value to a potential employer, have no salable skills, and can't even express themselves coherently, let alone precisely. So-called higher education is now the foremost criminal enterprise in this nation, annually swindling millions of parents and their offspring, collectively, out of trillions of dollars in wildly inflated tuition fees in exchange for worthless degrees. Many, perhaps most, new graduates cannot even spell or write a coherent or grammatically correct sentence, can't do simple arithmetic, calculate correct change, and perhaps are the educational equivalent of a high-school freshman of forty years ago. This is not a looming crisis - it's a crisis that's fully arrived and is sitting on our doorstep.
Problem is - businesses now require a college degree for almost all jobs. As if they were in cahoots with the college industry.
Yes.. as if. "As if" doesn't mean it isn't true. "If" doesn't mean it's not true.
It’s a monopoly
He said it won't differentiate you much, as 70% go to college. That means the ones that don't have it really bad.
INCORRECT ASSUMPTION
VoteScientist. no, it is just that business people realize that a 4 yr. college degree today is like having a high school diploma.
I wish community college offered bachelors degree.
Some of them do but I've had very horrible experiences with community colleges. The instructors are usually worthless and disgruntled.
Activism of Care I had a great time in community college. All the instructors were either retired or currently working in the fields they taught. Some were a bit cranky, but once they find out you are really interested, they were amazing sources of real world info.
I live in Europe Eric, and it doesn't work the same way here. Getting into college is significantly more difficult. Like he said in the video, in America even the bottom 40 % go to college. It's not like that here. The top 20 % go. The rest go into other types of labor, trainee programs etc. If America wants a European style university system it needs to abolish the idiotic idea that every kid needs to go to college.
I'm doing it in IT
Ive had an amazing experience in community college. I attended uni for a bit and profs were terrible
I'm going to college (a university) next year and, in my opinion, If you feel that you are ambitious enough to not go to college, then go right ahead. But just make sure that you know what you're doing with your time, and use it wisely! College gives you the tools you need to be successful, but some people can find those tools by themselves.
If you are thinking about not going to college, you must first think of what can go wrong. What will you do when your small business collapses?
My advice: GO TO COLLEGE! Do not let anyone tell you that "college is a scam" because that is simply ridiculous. No matter community college or university, just do what you can afford! You won't regret it when you have a degree and a job right out of college.
And never use the "Bill Gates dropped out, so can I" excuse. Remember... Bill Gates dropped out of HARVARD!
I worked for a major Petro/Chemical company for 30 years. They hire only the top 1 percent of college grads in Engineering from Major colleges, and 10 percent wash out, and more of those jobs are now being contract workers who aren't getting any stability from working .
wow watching this video while i myself am attending university in denmark makes me realise how lucky i am! It's free, you get a special student welfare check and i am guaranteed a job when im done.
@Winchestah Life is far easier when your demographically homogeneous country can coast by on lavish social programs supported by massive oil reserves, German bureaucracy, and the United States' military protection. Hearing about how countries like Denmark "have it all figured out" because "MUH SOCIALISM" is some of the most socially unaware shit. The social-democratic "utopias" of northern Europe would collapse into Venezuelan-tier chaos within 40 years if they weren't held up by actually successful countries.
@@SentryDog22 us military doesnt protect denmark from shit
@@SentryDog22 "demographically homogenous". somebody should wonder why that is there
This is the depressing the hell out of me. I'm going into my 9th year of college for my undergraduate in biochemistry and mathematics. It took me so long because I was very immature out of high school.
Suggestion to high school seniors. Take 4 years off after high school and get a job or two, live at home and save your money. While you are doing this, learn about whatever you want, read anything you want and take the time to mature. After 4 years you'll need very little loans and you'll be done with your undergraduate when you're 26. A very respectable age to be done with college and no debt.
Or just dont go to college at all. Tired of the "labeling" people do. Think like an entrepreneur, grow off your capital, start a business, STAY DEBT FREE!
I’d say 5 years working 5 different jobs in any city or town is adequate for figuring out if college is worth your time. (Plus saving a nest egg that will get you in debt free).
Going to Europe and backpacking will do shit. People come back from that and say it changed them because they know only by saying that would anyone notice.
MrSweatyPants Well said from someone with a similar story to MrSweatyPants
You spent nine years at college and you didn’t think that was a bad life choice???
@@jasondavisjr you really think starting a business comes without the same debt you would get as a student? You're a little out of touch.
This is so incredibly accurate, If a bit jaded. Berkeley and Yale grad here. I wouldn't trade it but I sure as hell wish I knew these things 10 years ago. So often the people that know this won't tell you because their egos won't let them and the people that don't know believe the hype because our society is obsessed with artifice and branding.
@Lh Lh hell no. He went to Berkeley and yale
One: This video was uploaded on my birthday and while I was in High School and I am so glad I went to a community college. Cheaper, amazing education, and many have straight to work programs.
Thank you
This makes me feel so much at ease about going into entrepreneurship.
I have asked admissions most of the questions you proposed. They are met with combativeness, and resentment. That should have been my first tip off right there.
I went to college thinking it would put me in a better economic position, when in reality, it made me worse off. This video captures the true problem of education in America. Thank you Marty!
Business Administration with a minor in communications
***** Sucks for both of us man. The real litmus test if you got what you paid for in terms of your education is go to Craigslist.com and see how many "gigs" or jobs you could be hired to do on a contractual basis. If the answer is not many, sorry you got ripped off (that's me!). I'm going to write a book that will highlight all the pitfalls, scams, and outright lies of going to college that the media, corporations, guidance councilors never talk about. This video described some of the myths SO WELL!
Jake Rosser i think its not only in America, its Global.
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I think I have to agree with you!
Jake Rosser So you don't have a job in Accounting?
I am a psychologist with a PhD and lots of business experience prior to my grad school. I am now a Network Marketing Entrepreneur. You are right that the entrepreneurial skills are the key! And they do not teach it in school! I replaced my full time income in about 4 years. I teach it.
Nobody wants to hear about it. Don't try to scam vulnerable people.
Very disheartening....we have been told all our lives that colleges/universities are SO great!
merc340sr Hope you realize this is one perspective on why school is bad, same goes for videos that state that school is good, binary oppositions, you have to make the choice yourself by looking at both sides; not just one and freaking out.
That was just another lie!
merc340sr I think John Greens video is the gray area on this. There are more efficient ways of going straight into the job market such as apprenticeships, but there are other reasons to attend college such as the immense networks that they tend to be connected to
@@Dreamsai_ so, it's a gamble whatever I choose, hmmm I see...
It's more of a reflection of our society if you even try to go against the grain or challenge the status quo in any form, they attack you instead of attacking a possible flawed ideology.
I'm self educated, have been working in my field since I was 15, I'm 26 now. I've never been to college/university. That's why, whenever anyone has told me to go to college or fail, I laugh in their faces.
Derek Thomas Lirio Self educated???? Im going to try typing this without laughing. How do you teach yourself new things? Do you ask and answer your own questions? LOL. College allows more than you can understand. Even trying to get you to understand wont help. Best of luck to you. Ill say this though, when you speak to someone that is educated and someone that is not educated, you know the difference in the two.
raggttop91
You, apparently don't know the difference. I'm very knowledgeable, and have proven myself to be thoroughly competent in the fields of technology, as well as the development of marketing. I learned it all, sitting at home. I've been performing the jobs, since the age of 16. You, have been conditioned to believe you need a teacher to learn anything. That's why, with you, it doesn't matter if you have a degree or not, you'll be working menial labor, or unemployed anyway.
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Basically, if the information needed, is out there for you, and you're capable of learning on your own, there's nothing to stop you from doing so.
Derek Thomas Lirio you are right. College teaches you virtually nothing that you can't simply learn from the Internet or books on your own. I know you are an expert at computers even though you don't have a computer science degree. You know how to write computer programs and design websites because the information for these skills is available online. You do not need to waste tens of thousands of dollars or go deeply in debt obtaining a computer science degree these days because everything you need to know about computers can be learned on your own using the Internet and books. 90-95% of everything you need to know about computers can be learned online for free to be honest. And for the 5 to 10% of computer knowledge you can't learn online, you can learn them from books at the library or bookstore. You can search online almost anything you want to know about computers, and learn it for free.
The same logic applies to everything else they teach you in college. Want to learn psychology? Search it online and read some articles about it. And boom you have the same knowledge as someone who paid thousands of dollars to obtain the same information from college. But you, on the other hand, aren't deeply in debt whereas the college student paying for this exact same knowledge is.
College is not some magical place where you must attend it to learn its knowledge. Virtually everything they teach you in college can be learned online or through books on your own. The only subjects that you can't learn on your own is how to become a surgeon, doctor, engineer or any profession that require specialized training equipment that only colleges and other similar institutions provide. I admit you can't be certified and trustworthy neurosurgeon without the training and equipment they provide you at school. But if you want to learn how to design a video game or website, don't waste your money learning that stuff from college. You can learn that stuff online or through books for the fraction of the price. And companies that hire you for game or website design don't care if you have a degree in computer science. What they care about is your portfolio aka what projects you've designed. If you show them the websites and games you've designed, then they will hire you. That's the little secret many people don't know about the hi-tech IT industry. IT companies, like Google, care less if you have college degree. What they want to know is if you have the computer knowledge to be competent at the job.
AmandaNerdBot Actually, they do teach you alot that you can't learn on your own. Psychology, like medicine, is one of those fields that should require it. But, for example, Political Science, Marketing, Business, Web development, Networking. These are all things you can learn sitting at home, or on your phone even.
I graduated in the bottom 40% of my class in HS. I worked for 2 years as a rebar draftsman - then went to community college for two years where I did very well. Then I transferred to a California State University and majored in Mathematics. Again did very well. Total 8 years. Then I worked for six years - and on the side studied Actuarial Examinations. Then returned to school and spent 4 years studying Actuarial Exams and I picked up a second bachelors in BSCS. Looking back on it - I got the most valuable experience in the Math tutoring room - while getting the 1st degree - and studying for Actuarial Exams and in the Computer Lab - while getting the 2nd degree. I didn't get that much from attending lectures and preparing for midterms. I've never been good at writing - but I got a lot out of the English sequence.
The problem is, if you don't go to college you are not even eligible to apply for most lucrative job opportunities, and the government jobs are all passed down to next of kin as if the position were property! You can not win, the only way to be successful today is to do it the same way it was done by literally every successful person there ever was, make your own way.
No, federal jobs are not!
Seems like most master programs just teach jargon so graduates sound smart (and unintelligible) while over complicating simple problems. They create added costs while not providing added value, particularly in public school teaching--which is collapsing under the cost of paying for masters degrees that add nothing to the educational experience of the students.
Um...I'd say that my master in nanotechnology isn't a tool for me to sound intelligent but rather taught me valuable skills...
@Lynx eww People can strive for excellence in anything and everything they do, if they thought there was some value and reward in excellence. My last job was washing dishes and I was the best damn dishwasher that restaurant ever had (according to the owner). I cleaned and organized and streamlined the process and came up with a hot water saving system, I even opened up a panel in the floor and created a natural air conditioning system that sucked down the hot and blew up the cool. In a genuine capitalist system those traits of ingenuity, creativity, and gumption would have been rewarded. It's not boring jobs or capitalism that's the problem these days, it the lack of rewards that are supposed to accompany business enhancing energy and the piling on pointless non-business enhancing elements that celebrate bureaucracy while not furthering the goals of the organization. I think we are reaching the breaking point where the public sector is tired on paying the private sector exorbitant fees to create mountains administrative red tape and an endless obstacle course of expensive self-perpetuating nonsense. School administrators whose job it is to come up with six ways to Sunday to measure the academic failure of a school should be the first on the chopping block. As Bill Maher said, 'we've become a society of consultants. Doesn't anyone know how to do anything anymore?' I'm paraphrasing.
As a recent engineering graduate I absolutely agree on the stingy corporate mindset that rules most universities.
+spookanide but did you find a job?
So I'm graduating out of high school a week from now and people look at me crazy when they ask me what are my plans after high school and I say, "I don't know". It's not because I'm completely lost and have no idea what I want to do in the future, it's because I want to do a lot of things and I'm not sure if majoring in one thing for four years in a university will get me to where I want to go. Watching this video has confirmed my doubts. I do not want to pay a lot of money for education, because I literally don't have a single penny to my name right now, but still, I am going to community college and get work experience at the same time. I think for now, since I haven't figured everything out, that's the best thing I should do for now. Thanks for the video Marty Nemko.
+TJ Trix
talk to a career counselor first, work in area's that pay well if you had a degree to see which interests you then get a degree. If you want to make money you have to work hard.
2+2 programs are the best and community colleges are extremely underrated. After I graduated university I had a coworker who graduated the same year as me but she went to a CC and condensed 4 semesters of University into 2 semesters and a summer at the CC.
Ryan H
That's what I'm doing!
Almost all 4 year colleges in the final year will screw you around with class availability so you can stay longer and pay more , I know of two highly rated colleges near me that only offer this 400 level math class once every two years , so for a math major if you don’t time it right you are screwed
I’m sure I am an anomaly, but I graduated high school at the bottom of my class. I graduated undergrad at the top of my class. I found graduate school an even better fit. I found I thrived in the least restrictive learning environments.
"quick, I don't have much time b4 they come after me, i have valuable info to leak to you...."
this video should have millions of views
My brother in law had to work at a young age (14) because his dad was killed in an accident. He then went in the Navy and was put in the printing dept. He got a job at a print shop when he got out and noticed that the print shop refused some jobs because they were too small. He and another guy bought a small printing press and put it in the garage and did those jobs after work. Soon he had to quit his job and rent a bigger place and buy more equipment. Later he had to build a place and eventually had to equip it with a million dollar press. When he gave up the printing business, he sold his presses and all the other stuff and retired a multi-millionaire. He never had time to go to college, just think how rich he could have been had he gone!
I assume your being sarcastic!
As an undergraduate senior student, I found college is not how my college friends felt: "noble" education institution. Materials taught at school are kinda outdated as far as I can see. My major is computer engineering. At school the materials they are teaching that I worry I won't be using at all in the future, or the instructors just pure a bunch of knowledge without explaining a deeper sense of them(like how can I be able to mess with them). It was hard for me to tackle for a very long time. Now I spend equal time on exploring coding info by reading materials to interpret the keywords and its programming "philosophy" , or doing my "side" project. I rather taking a lower GPA cause if I merely stuck my head into textbooks I'm pretty sure I won't make it before graduation. I don't understand why job interviewer need to stress on the "3.0" GPA when most of those knowledge are testing your memory but not explaining how to use them in a practical way(most of the case, like equations for circuits... programming stuff...). Honestly, I'm almost done with school and I'm merely crossing my fingers and hope I can find related jobs in the future..... hopefully not at mcdonalds flipping burgers and tell people I used to code and stuff.
Only reason I came across this video was because I'm struggling so much in college. People say "college isn't for everyone" and it's def. true. I'm not a book smart person. I have trouble concentrating in class. I'm working part-time at a crappy restaurant every day of the week to pay for an education that I feel so much resentment for. I went to a high school that didn't prepare me at all for college and now that I'm in it (not a prestigious one at that... State college) I feel completely lost! My classes take a toll on my mind and body and the stress has caused me to go into a mild depression. And I'm only taking general education courses right now! This worries me so much because I get heat from my friends and family that I HAVE to get a higher education because if I don't I'd amount to nothing in society. I'm at such a low point at the moment I don't know what to do.
I can't tell you what to do but I was in the same situation & I did better in my classes & enjoyed them more after I got into my major. I struggled in HS & was more or less forced into college so I didn't even consider myself college material. I am also mildly dyslexic & struggled with simple papers so I was miserable until I fell in love with criminology & psychology. My grades came up,I enjoyed going to school and it got better & better as I went. I went to grad school (you pretty much have to with psych) and, academically, I found it easy & I eventually became a forensic psychologist. I make a good living & I love it. Don't get discouraged. Look for something you love & consider all your options realistically. While you are in college you have more options as far as where your life will go than you ever will again so use that to your advantage & explore the possibilities. General education classes suck so don't drop out based on that. It gets better once you find a major. You will be taking classes you like & it's easier to get good grades in things you have an interest in. True,college isn't for everyone but it does open up lots of possibilities so take the time to really think about things before you make any big decision. Good Luck!! Ms. Shannon
Find a passion,find something you like and pursue it.
Try being a hair stylist or a nurse or a model or a waitor or learn how to cook.
Just look a proffesion,go take a 2 week class see if you enjoy,watch some videos,and that's it.Remember ITS YOUR LIFE! FUCK EVERYONE ELSE.
update on how you're doing?
you sound like a wise man. what do u think about trying to get colleges to lower the credit requirements? i want colleges to get rid of all those useless general ed classes. if they get rid of useless classes and lower the requirements, then students can finish college faster and spends less time/money. i believe it is those useless requirements that is the problem. forcing students to take secondary language when they will be working in the USA, and when the world is adapting to English. forcing students to study about History that will not benefit their future careers. waste of time and money.
and then we would be less educated, less motivated in most fields of study and less capable of using a variety of skills to solve dynamic problems. lowering the standards is not the solution it's the problem as he stated with regards to those professor teaching requisites. The world has already adapted to English; it is us who have not adapted to the world. If minorities will soon make the majority in the U.S. what do you think there first language will be? Not English. Though I agree the teaching methods are flawed the subjects and fields themselves are not. They are all critical to every piece of product, innovation and invention known to mankind.
Bryan Bill yea there's that possibility. but I'm referring to only some GE classes that most people hate, and i feel that those classes doesnt help at all. and my hopes is to take out these classes so students can reach higher level learning, which might actually be the opposite of lowering standards and might be more motivated. it will still be the same term, your typical 4 year college deal. my hope is not to take them out completely. those that need it for their degree can take it online. but for most students, quite a few of these GE is pointless. just imagine students reaching graduate/masters studies within their bachelors degree.
I wish I had seen this before going to college.
spend the 4 yrs mastering how to be a con artist and learning how to successfully fake that you graduated with honours from Harvard or Yale. much much cheaper and will look better than an actual degree from a lesser university that the average person might have actually gone to
Damn.
The problem with that is it's easier now to root out conmen thanks to the internet. Sometimes even a simple internet search works wonders.
It’s all fun and games until they do a background check on you. Computers these days, ya know.
Thanks for the advise. Why can't there be more honest and noble people like you..
thank you for this, i'm still going, but this is still good to know.
Thank you Marty, this is good advice and I can tell that you really feel passionate about this issue. Though I feel college and grad school has helped my career I have many college friends who have not had the same experience. They end up in debt and 4 years behind in the talent pool.
Very valuable advice. Muchas gracias!
This gentleman is right and exact. I used to be a primary school teacher in the process of getting my certification only to make $60k per year even with a masters degree in ten or twenty years of service as a teacher. I decided to get a two-year technical degree from a local community college now I'm making six figures plus as a industrial plant technician. 4-year institutions are grossly overrated for MOST career choices...
Yup procrss technology at a local community college
Duh your previous portfolio helped
@@dannycrover8710 actually it had nothing to do with my current job other than helping me finish the two year program on schedule as a part-time student.
What he's saying about bringing in teachers who are great researchers but lousy teachers is so true...
The teachers themselves don't devote their time devising ways to make classes productive, teaching may even not be their primary job/activity.
No matter how brilliant they are or their schooling history is, they don't really care about the students as a whole, maybe they will care for a handful of students but that's it.
Excellent stuff & well-presented specific points. Especially the community/local college experience and raising the point of some buyer-beware and pro-active management of the college experience.
I heard from one of my friends who went the top university that top university professors are by no means good teachers. They believe students can learn things well by themselves and do not pay attention to students' needs. I think the comment that community college is a good choice is a true statement.
This video was hard to watch. I felt this all along and am glad that this information is out and about. It's seriously fucked up how much we've "businessed up" every field of job/study. I'm currently in my junior year of college at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in Manhatten, NYC.
Don't major in something which doesn't have a good market return.
Go to school if you want to become a researcher (Masters & PhD), Doctor and Lawyer.
College overall is a ripoff.
Too many kids coming out of school are headed straight for college and don't even understand what they've signed themselves up for.
I'm so tired of this bs.
Lmao, this video is taking me into existential crisis mode.
college IS a fucking scam
Dude. Liberal arts degrees are fine if you have practical minors and/or graduate degrees in practical areas. When aimed at a specific job which is not degree picky with not too high competition. Or if you went to Harvard it can be fine as well. Beyond being an engineering or MIS major it is the ability to think, adapt, and having an educated mind that matters.
Look, it's not just "going to college" that makes you more valuable, it's the learning, the application of the education package, and the ability to to differentiate what knowledge is suitable for the task and when. If a student chooses not to apply themselves in college then yes this is an indicator that if graduated this student wasted time and money in the pursuit of a college degree. If a similar student did very much apply themselves in college, did the work, learned as much as possible then I think their chances of earning that extra million dollars over a lifetime is quite valid, not guaranteed but valid. You are right about community colleges, I have been associated with 4 of them over 40 years (student, community presenter, & teacher) and all of them had students in a better learning frame of mind...as opposed to better partying with several 4 year colleges/universities. The CC faculty is not bothered about research (unless they wish) and most students are more task oriented, all great qualities.
Thank you for this video, good stuff!
Just sharing, high school drop out..
Im at a good place at 28, got a ged at 22 just because. Its all about mentors. Find a trade, befriend and emulate the most skilled/knowledgeable. Do your best.
Eventually you will have learnt enough that you are worth much more than you are being paid.
Go somewhere else and start again.
I barely started giving a shit at 22, it was tough for a good while, all is well now.
What a great video. I have a doctorate level education, but I did not go about it as counselors suggested. I took community college classes up to the number of credits that my professional school would accept. I took additional classes each semester as well--that saves money AND allowed me to graduate a year early. In some cases college is the only means to the end you seek, but you never have to do what the counselors tell you to do. You can forge your own path
I agree with you. I'm an outlier. Did poorly in high school but am a good college student(4.0 GPA). Haha, don't worry I know that doesn't mean shit. I am only doing it for the status. My college takes in a lot of those students at the bottom but has a high graduate rate -- over 90 percent. I've noticed the curriculum being sub par, and it is. I know it's bullshit.
yup, majority of the best teachers I had was in community colleges! Not to say that there weren't any good teachers at uni, but they were few and far in between.
Excellent. Words of wisdom for sure. Community college is a great way to get rid of required courses for undergraduates, then on to a four year school (maybe).
Thanks for the truth! I've seen this clip several times over the years, both before and after college. Every time I review this topic, I can see more truth to your claims.
I rarely comment on videos, but I came back to do it on this one. I dropped out at 18, and for the sake of my situation and disregarding modesty, I consider myself a bright student. It has now been two years since I dropped out, and I have been struggling hard to get into a career. Despite dipping into careers and jobs, it is tough making it out there, and my peers are in college having a great time with better job prospects.
Frederick E Malcom That's true. I could have gone to college for relatively cheap but decided not to go. The only thing is, I cannot seem to find a good paying job at all, I have studied a variety of fields and it's just not happening. Any suggestions on career fields?
You will find that your current struggles will pay off greatly if you stay the course. See if you can get low paying jobs in a field you're very interested in just to gain the experience.
A college degree is the new HS Diplomat, period.
DUH you can't do whatever you want, so do something that has a market. And not everyone is in debt after graduation. Here in Georgia just keep good grades and HOPE pays your tuition for in state, UGA has a awesome business school, and GA Tech is the 5th best engineering school in the nation. So I have friends with degrees, no debt and jobs out the gate making 50K - 66K starting OFF from GA Tech. Job offers from everywhere. And my business friends either went to grad school or was happy with their 35K - 45K job.
College isn't all bad , just gotta think smarter and strategize. These guys in these comments are such negative nancys.
Frederick E Malcom why did you pursue a degree in Music? Probably even then, it was one of the most worthless / least profitable degrees (along with philosophy and lib arts)
Collage campuses have also been hijacked by extreme liberalism to the point that everything revolves around it. These agendas have little to do with getting a degree or succeeding in the work place. When you get into the workplace having a openly political or overly sensitive mindset will be viewed as being nothing but immature. You will also be seen as a liability to the company. This doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't have political discussions when its relevant. However when it starts interfering with the learning processes such as shouting down guest speakers or intimidating people to follow a political belief then it becomes a problem.
billybassman21 Silly liberals on "collage" campuses...
Thank you so much, I've been contemplating this.
great talk - i remember one of my professors not even showing up (to give what little instruction he did) until 4 or 5 weeks into the quarter
Thank you. I worked in higher ed and totally agree!
People in the comments here are taking what he is saying too far... This is not a video about why you shouldn't go to college. Everything he says is spot on, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't or don't need to go to college. Furthermore, the description is spot on: "Why you should not automatically assume college or grad school is as wise as conventional wisdom would have you believe."
That is all he is saying; it is not the best course of action for a lot of people, but for people that are truly driven to achieve something, it is practically impossible to do so without at least an undergrad.
If you truly want to add to the knowledge base of the world, a Masters or even a PhD is the way to do it.
Personally, I have grown to hate school, and am happy with my undergrad and the job that has come out of it.
Can't you still add to the knowledge base of the world without an MS or PhD?
Mr. Nemko, you have very good insight into how colleges and graduates schools operate. I have experienced some of the things you shared in your UA-cam presentation in both my undergraduate and graduate school experiences.
Thank you Mr. Nemko for the great information.
AMAZING!! Well said! The 'life well lived' is not what we are being marketed. I wish every high school student could see this...and my husband works at a top research university. Thanks for this!
Too true, this is what I connected most with to. "There are many paths to the life well lived", everyone's unique.
This is great advice in general. Your video has risen a lot of questions in my mind. I am a 58 year old musician who never finished my bachelor degree because I had gigs; however, I always wanted to have a regular conversation about history or politics with someone, and I couldn't because I did not know anything. I knew how to play bass, and I knew how to pick up girls etc., but I needed a little "butt kicking" to really learn. We are living different times, and I do agree about learning a quick money -making skill, but the student should keep learning either through youtube or the library or someway. When I was growing up there was no UA-cam. The problem now is that we have too much entertainment and a little education on UA-cam. How is a student going to know what's an ethical person is if they have not taken a philosophy class? I am going to say something that might upset you, sorry. Please don't take personal, but I could argue that you could have benefited by taking some recording classes because your video is distorting and in music colleges they teach you how to avoid that. You might argue that you are not a sound engineer and so on, but my point is that sometimes colleges help. I think the secret is to have great grades so you can get scholarships and not pay the ridiculous amount of money that they ask for.. Even at unknown schools you can get the information you need for success. I agree with you in a way and disagree in another because some people like me need a "dead line" to be able to push and finish projects. I was lucky to get a scholarship for music and thank God I am about to graduate. I just want to say that, if a young person is motivated, they might not need college, but if they are lazy like me, they might need to go to college and do their job on time. After college...that's another story. Just my opinion. Thanks.
This is one of the best commentaries on college education I have heard in many years; or ever. I worked my way thru college and became an entrepreneur. Over my career of building and owning an insurance agency some of my best employees and sales people did not have a college degree. My college graduates did well, but my 3 top sellers did not have a college degree and my most organized employee did not attend college at all. . I have 4 children with two having college degrees, one a graduate degree. The other two do not have college degrees but do very well with their careers. These two both went to college a year or so at a community college but decided to learn a skill so they quit college (I said bravo) and they have good careers. You are also correct about community colleges. My first two years I attended a local community college where I learned more than I did at the well known, large university in my state, where I graduated . Bravo on your video. Colleges/universities run a business and are less interested in teaching critical thinking skills. Now universities are incubation centers for snowflakes and leftists. God help you have conservative values and dare express them. All ideas are not welcome on college campuses. There is a myth that universities teach you to think critically or evaluate ideas...they lean so left they crucify ideas that they do not endorse.
Thank you for this. Hope you still make informational videos like this.
More true today than when posted six years ago. Debt loads for most students have increased and graduate school is a swamp of debt and false promises.
Man, give this guy a global peace prize
Infinite amens! Such an informed & logical presentation.
Dude, you're a genius. So well put. Thanks so much for sharing your honest take on things.