The GoPro HERO12 won't have a 1-inch sensor

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  • Опубліковано 28 жов 2024

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  • @AnthonyJoh
    @AnthonyJoh Рік тому +17

    What I'd like to see from GoPro is a more reliable camera. My GoPro 9 will frequently freeze, stop recording, not record sound, not recognize the attached media mod, etc. All this focus on sensor size and fps means nothing if the camera doesn't work.

    • @rasmokey4
      @rasmokey4 Рік тому

      Mine too!!

    • @TimEckel
      @TimEckel Рік тому +1

      Exactly correct. Reliability is absolute crap with GoPro the last few revisions. They tease a 5k resolution, but you're forced to use 1080p or it overheats and shuts down. Maybe not a problem for people who take short takes. But I shoot for 60 to 90 minutes at a time and the GoPro just doesn't work for that long.

  • @secretsofthelake1966
    @secretsofthelake1966 Рік тому +5

    In my opinion, 1-inch sensor would make sense only in case of an option to change focus, either AF or manual focus with 3 options (close, medium, landscape)

  • @dougkelly8956
    @dougkelly8956 Рік тому +2

    Thank you! These are exactly the points I've been making with regards to these rumors. The only way a 1-inch sensor makes any sense is if they introduce TWO cameras - a conventional Hero 12 with a smaller sensor and high frame rates, and a separate Hero 12 One Inch for those that want the image quality and are willing to live with the expense and limitations of having to focus (and having lower frame rates)

  • @adhipatithosakaranggumenggeng

    what is the price now for black go pro Hero 12

  • @jasonlee4267
    @jasonlee4267 Рік тому +3

    Sony already built a 1" 20mp sensor for Smarphones IMX989, they also have 2 new sensors at 1/1.2 and 1/1.4, and there is also a next gen 1" sensor coming but I cant find the name of that or its release even though i saw the article just a few days ago.
    Is it possible they could uses any of these sensors in the GP12? with all the competition around now GoPro have to keep up to stay relevant or will get left behind by the competition, a 1" sensor is a step up for sure if they can get it to work

    • @simonwyndham
      @simonwyndham  Рік тому +1

      Hi Jason, the problem is that, as you rightly mentioned, it has a 1" 20MP sensor. But as I alluded to in the video, GoPro won't release a camera with less resolution than the previous one (24.7MP video and 27MP stills). Now, there are other smaller sensors, but remember that the rumours going around are showing a camera with not only a 1" sensor, but also 240fps 4K. Unfortunately Sony doesn't have a sensor in its range of action camera size that can do that. But the main reason why GoPro won't put a 1" sensor into the HERO12 is due to close focus problems that arise from optical physics.

    • @nathanvrvrt
      @nathanvrvrt Рік тому

      ​@@simonwyndham a 1inch will also bring more heat to the gopro because of larger files to render by the processor. But a 1inch with a crop would easily give 4k 240 frames. But yeah that's not ultrawide anymore

  • @Hiking-guide-and-scenery
    @Hiking-guide-and-scenery Рік тому +4

    Interesting! Could gopro use a 1 inch sensor but not expose it entirely when in panorama mode (a bit like in gopro 11), to give more room for vertical, 360 degree horizon steady, better photo, etc... Just wondering what they could gain there.

    • @simonwyndham
      @simonwyndham  Рік тому +2

      They could, but it would need to make sure the wide field of view could be kept, and it would be a case of giving with one hand and taking away with another. To be able to do that, the sensor would need to be giving 4K and above of real resolution after the crop, which would mean the full sensor area would need to have a very high number of tightly packed pixels, which then takes us back to low light problems again. Those pixels might well be larger than a smaller sensor still, but the question of whether it offers a meaningful advantage, given other disadvantages, needs to be asked. Using a larger sensor gives a shallower depth of field for any given aperture. So, if you have a larger sensor and you use the maximum area on it they could increase the depth of field by using a smaller aperture on the lens, say f/5.6 instead of f/2.8 for example. But by doing that you end up setting the low light performance back to where it would be on a smaller sensor with an f/2.8 aperture lens. In other words, having a larger sensor doesn't always give the advantages that a lot of people think that it does once you start asking particular things of it. Another problem is lens size. A larger sensor with an ultra-wide lens needs a larger piece of glass, which then takes up more internal space, which reduces space for things like a battery and also thermal management. There's a lot of swings and roundabouts!

  • @MarkusFinholt
    @MarkusFinholt Рік тому +2

    Hi. The wider a lens is, the less the minimum focus distance is. Gopro could potentially update the gopro with a wider lens than they currently have, and still have the minimum focus distance at a meter or so. For most things that require action cameras (mounted shots from helmets), you don't actually need a super close focus distance. The rumors are just rumors though, but the argument against increasing the sensor size are not actually that rooted in reality. You could for example release two cameras, one with a larger sensor, and the current one with a smaller one.

    • @simonwyndham
      @simonwyndham  Рік тому +2

      Hi Markus, it's not strictly true that a wider lens has less minimum focus. The optical physics stay the same, it's just that with a wide lens you are expanding the planar distance vs compressing it with a telephoto lens. There's a myth that telephoto lenses have shallower depth of field, but it's not technically true, because all that's happening is the lens is exaggerating the size of things on different focus planes in relation to one another so the difference in focus points becomes more obvious.
      Close focus is important to GoPro, and it wouldn't accept the argument that most uses are on helmets and therefore don't need close focus. In fact GoPro's are used with close focus in mind all the time, selfie shots for vlogging being a prime example. As was seen by Insta360's 1-inch mod, the focus distance issue was a real problem for self shooting. GoPro would never release two cameras like that. Regarding the arguments against the q-inch sensor not being rooted in reality, I can tell you that I was told directly by GoPro itself that they aren't pursuing 1-inch sensors as an option for the reasons I've mentioned. Aside from the fact that no sensor with with specs required from the rumours even exists from any sensor company right now.

    • @MarkusFinholt
      @MarkusFinholt Рік тому +2

      @@simonwyndham Your comment about the focus field shows me you've never used a camera in your life. Take any wide angle lens, put the aperture at f4, and everything between 1 meter and infinity will be perceptually in focus. Do the same with a 200mm lens and that is just not the case. Setting the focus to infinity will have objects even as close as 10 meters away way out of focus. Try any DOF calculator and insert a wide lens vs a shallow lens at the same aperture, and the wide lens will always have a larger focus area between minimum and maximum focus.
      To the second point;
      The niche of a gopro is a helmet / mount camera, not a selfie camera. If people need selfie camera they will use their phones that have 100 times better optics. If your camera fills a niche, you better be the best at that niche, or enjoy being overtaken by your competitors, in this case dji and insta360. And we're seeing a mass migration to other options, because they are willing to listen to their userbase, increase sensor size, work on their software, and release 360 cameras.
      The gopro explanation is simply not true, and is guaranteed to be made by someone that has no experience with what a gopro is used for.

    • @simonwyndham
      @simonwyndham  Рік тому +1

      @@MarkusFinholt Please try not to be insulting or rude to try and make a point. I can assure you, having taken many landscape shots with ultra-wides, that setting the camera to f/4 and getting everything from 1m to infinity in focus won't happen. Focussing with an ultra-wide for landscape is difficult, even at small apertures. Regardless, you pretty much illustrated what I just explained when you said "perceptually in focus". You can test this for yourself. Take a telephoto lens and frame a subject such as a coffee mug and get it into focus. Now put on an ultra-wide lens and use the same f/stop. To make it an equal test, and to prove the science, you need to move the camera closer to the mug to make it the same size in the frame as it was with the telephoto lens and focus on it. You'll find that the depth of field on the telephoto lens and the wide angle are the same for any given aperture setting. The only two things that directly affect depth of field is the aperture setting and the distance to the subject. But, sensor size is also a factor, because on a larger sensor the aperture opening at f/2.8 is larger than the aperture opening on a smaller sensor also at f/2.8. So, if you wanted the same deeper depth of field on a 1" sensor as a smaller one, you'd need to stop the aperture down so that the aperture opening was the same size. But then that reduces the light coming through, which then reduces any low light advantage of the larger sensor. These are just a few factors at play.
      As for my explanation not being true, or having no experience of what a GoPro is used for, well, for one thing I've been told by GoPro itself that it isn't interested in using 1-inch sensors for the reasons I've explained already. Secondly, dude, my channel is full of me using action cameras, so I have some inkling of how they are used!

    • @MarkusFinholt
      @MarkusFinholt Рік тому

      @@simonwyndham Clearly we are talking about the depth of field at infinity focus, not about "where does the DOF lay when framing a subject in so and what way". Do you disagree that an infinity focused wide lens and an infinity focused telephoto lens have wildly different miniumm focus distances?

  • @joseluisruiz3789
    @joseluisruiz3789 Рік тому +2

    All i want is for this version, not to overheat, i have a hero 10, and when i use the Media Mod, the media mod acts like a jacket for the Hero 10 whoch makes it overheat way faster in direct sunlight using a chesty mount on an E Scooter just ton use an External mic vs without the media mod. It still overheats without the media mod but its nowhere near as bad vs with it on. 😅 im gonna be smart this time and wait for all the reviews to come in vs pre ordering it before know about all its issues.

  • @ClarkDroneFilms
    @ClarkDroneFilms Рік тому +2

    All I ask more is a proper log profile on the next GoPro

    • @simonwyndham
      @simonwyndham  Рік тому +1

      Interestingly, the 'flat' profile on the HERO11 is in fact a logarithmic profile. You can actually configure the curve itself using the Labs firmware to mimic the curve on other cameras. However, something to bear in mind is that the flat profile on the HERO11 is designed to capture all of the dynamic range it can, which on a sensor that size isn't massive compared to, say, a full frame mirrorless camera. That's why it doesn't look that 'flat'. In fact the Natural colour profile captures a similar amount of DR to the flat one due to the tone mapping system the camera employs. But, if the purpose is to match cameras, I'd suggest playing around with the curves on the labs firmware. Also, there's the Cinelab plugin, which is sister software to FilmConvert, and will take footage shot with the GoPro's flat profile and perform a CST to match it to your camera of choice, eg a Panasonic S1, Arri etc.

  • @EternalMedia
    @EternalMedia Рік тому +2

    But the Sony RX0ii did have a one inch sensor in their 2018 model and it's pretty much the size of a GoPro. It seems they are discontinuing that RX0 series, so maybe they are salvaging their patent value by manufacturing the same sensor for GoPro? I'm just speculating.

    • @simonwyndham
      @simonwyndham  Рік тому +2

      You are correct. But there's a few things to consider with the RX0II. The first is that it had contrast-detection variable focus, so it could change focus. Anything mechanical like that is much more complex and expensive to produce. The second is that the RX0II was fixed at f/4.0, giving away some of the low light advantage of a larger sensor. Thirdly, the lens was an equivalent of a 24mm lens on a 35mm camera (84-degree FOV), which is nowhere near wide enough for a GoPro. So the lens would need to be much larger. Lastly, and more importantly, the RX0II used a 15.3MP sensor. This is important, because it is almost impossible to consider that GoPro would release a new camera with less resolution than its predecessor, given the heavy focus on 8x7 modes. The RX0II works because it has been designed with very specific uses in mind, and is quite a different beast to a GoPro, despite the outward similarities.

  • @chucknorris8704
    @chucknorris8704 Рік тому +25

    What a pointless video. I have a test unit of the Gopro 12 in front of me and can confirm it has a medium format sensor. Shoots 8K120 and 4K960P and also shoots lasers that kills ants.

    • @redapple2328
      @redapple2328 Рік тому +1

      Do you work in Go pro?

    • @CAMTechChris
      @CAMTechChris Рік тому +5

      and has a cryogenic chamber for cooling

    • @zaymax_7
      @zaymax_7 Рік тому +1

      @@redapple2328idk if you're joking but i hope that joke didn't just fly over you

    • @redapple2328
      @redapple2328 Рік тому

      @@zaymax_7 😂

    • @markshirley01
      @markshirley01 Рік тому

      If it could zap flies - Im in

  • @JegErAlan
    @JegErAlan Рік тому +4

    I’m glad that UA-cam suggested this video. Subscribed.
    BTW, do you think some of these rumors might be to intentionally get people to postpone purchasing the Action 4…and to take the wind out of the DJI Osmo Action 4’s sails? (They should be getting credit for their larger sensor.)

    • @simonwyndham
      @simonwyndham  Рік тому +3

      I think it's really just general wish listing. For several generations of GoPro I can remember rumours that they would put a large sensor into the new model. The trouble with a lot of these rumours, even from some well known online publications, is that they don't consider the practicalities of bringing these sorts of specs to reality. I do think, though, that whatever GoPro does come up with for the 12, there needs to be something more than just extra frame rates. But I'm really looking forward to seeing what they do with it, because at the end of the day, having competition in the form of DJI will spur GoPro on to do even better, and vice versa.

    • @JegErAlan
      @JegErAlan Рік тому +1

      @@simonwyndham Thanks. I am glad that GoPro, DJI, and Insta360 are all in the game. It’s a bit more expensive for me :-), but it’s like having a toolbox with different tools better suited for different tasks. (I am already a generation behind with the GoPro…we’ll see if that changes with the 12.)

    • @KentRoads
      @KentRoads Рік тому

      Hero 11 > OA4

  • @Rush-Media
    @Rush-Media Рік тому +2

    Really enjoyed your insight. Thanks for sharing

  • @markshirley01
    @markshirley01 Рік тому +1

    Theres a shot out there with 1" on the side of a GoPro case

    • @simonwyndham
      @simonwyndham  Рік тому +1

      I know, and this is why I made this video. I don't believe it's genuine. I'm perfectly open to be wrong, but I don't believe it. Not least because I've been told by GoPro directly that they aren't looking at 1-inch sensors as an option for many of the reasons I outlined in the video. But, there's always a chance they were putting us off the scent. But, if they have indeed made a 1-inch camera, they would still have to account for the issues I mentioned.

    • @TheDetourDuo
      @TheDetourDuo Рік тому +1

      I lean toward that being fake. None of the previous versions of GoPro have the sensor size that large on the side of the camera. It's always the number that's the largest text on the body.

  • @customledandfiberopticsinc2756

    We've got 2 GoPro cameras. After seeing the DJI 4 in action, we can't justify buying another one. The DJI shoots much better video.

  • @JeffSibelius
    @JeffSibelius Рік тому

    Doesn't sound like the Hero 12 will be much of an upgrade then.

    • @simonwyndham
      @simonwyndham  Рік тому

      There's way more to upgrades than just resolution and sensor size. Stuff like a wider, less distorted lens, better battery life, new user interface, and a much faster mounting system would all be big upgrades, and far more useful than a large sensor.

    • @JeffSibelius
      @JeffSibelius Рік тому

      @@simonwyndham those would all be nice, but the only thing you mentioned that would make me consider an upgrade would be less distortion at wide angle.

  • @MarianMoisii
    @MarianMoisii Рік тому

    If we'll don't have 1inch sensor probably DJI action would be better option.

  • @ScottsReviews
    @ScottsReviews Рік тому +1

    Greats points. !

  • @mike8748
    @mike8748 Рік тому

    this seems clearly a non logical reason unless they are not stated clearly. If they keep the camera size down and cost of lens down then there may be a problem, otherwise even larger sensor sized camera can have close focus and less distortion!

    • @simonwyndham
      @simonwyndham  Рік тому

      You might achieve close focus, but then your far focus will be out, as shown by the debacle DJI had with the Action 3 and mis-calibrated lenses. There's no free lunch with this. You can have a large sensor and deep depth of field by stopping the lens down, but this negates the low light advantage of having a larger sensor in the first place. Or, you can have a large sensor and a fast lens, but sacrifice the minimum distance subjects are in focus. GoPro won't do this because it understands that keeping objects in focus as close as possible is important for action camera use.

  • @RetroBusker
    @RetroBusker Рік тому +2

    Wen want them magnetic mounts its annoying cos so much quicker for a robber to take my gopro💩

    • @fromia1
      @fromia1 Рік тому

      There are physical clamps as well. Guess Gopro users wouldn't know about that though 😅

    • @anups7958
      @anups7958 Рік тому +1

      ULANZI has magnetic mounts second generation..just get those.

  • @JonniArmani
    @JonniArmani Рік тому

    👊👊

  • @omarrebuta4503
    @omarrebuta4503 Рік тому +1

    Nice review sir🫰

  • @Tallguysrc
    @Tallguysrc Рік тому +1

    I have a GoPro 13 so there

  • @pudsboi5203
    @pudsboi5203 Рік тому +1

    A GoPro 11 with a decent interface would be better than the dji 4

  • @giroincambogia
    @giroincambogia Рік тому

    My gopro is favorite .😍

  • @beppecosta6261
    @beppecosta6261 Рік тому

    esperienza con l’assistenza Go Pro.
    Ho fatto l’assicurazione quando comperato la 11 black , caduta in acqua purtroppo non funziona più e faccio tutta la trafila per avere la sostituzione prevista dalla assicurazione sottoscritta ,
    consegno la camera nel punto di ritiro ufficiale GoPro, la inseriamo dentro ad un pacco insieme parte con corriere da loro Mandato, dopo tre mesi quasi, unico periodo nella quale serviva, vengo a sapere che non mi fanno la sostituzione perché nel tragitto tra il loro punto di ritiro e il loro magazzino in Olanda la camera è stata rubata. Questa società composta di uomini di merda tiene in ostaggio un cliente
    Per dei delinquenti all’interno del loro filiera.
    cosa ne pensate di GoPro? Secondo voi cosa ne penso io dopo questa esperienza?
    AlLa risposta migliore regalerò una Insta360 X3

    • @simonwyndham
      @simonwyndham  Рік тому

      I think if you'd have pushed it, they would have replaced it. If the camera was stolen, then you should push them to get the courier to investigate.

  • @nyrubin
    @nyrubin Рік тому

    Lmao damn GoPro needs to step it ip

  • @baballe
    @baballe Рік тому

    Gopro hero 12 : 999,10 € in french 😂

    • @d3lt4X
      @d3lt4X Рік тому

      Y'a jamais eu aucune gopro à ce prix, c'est juste un placeholder, elle coûtera 500€

  • @CoreQ
    @CoreQ Рік тому

    not really,it can have 1 inch sensor. but doesn't have to use it all in all the modes.
    Because if gopro changes nothing, everyone going for action 4. it it's inevitable dji gonna be better in the future. action camera or the whole company.