I can't tell you how happy I am for the mathematic approach you and the mage discord brought into Wrath. All we had on private servers was word of mouth and damage meters and It's so nice to actually see it all condensed into a beautiful equation. Thank you Crateria, I watched the video twice already!
Thanks! Sorry the fire mage is out, life is a whirlwind as usual. It is next on the docket of video making so sometime soon here the fire guide will be out. Cheers!
Update 3 - Mirror Images are bugged af. Recommend saving them and using them during movement on fights with movement, and for fights without movement, use after first Arcane Blast. If they're ever fixed though, pre-casting them is way better as it saves you a GCD. Pre-casting them still provides the threat drop benefit. Update 2: tl;dr - YOU CAN NOW USE ENGR GLOVES AND ACTIVE TRINKET AT THE SAME TIME (lol). Basiclaly, Blizzard hotfixed Engr glove weaving (not going to explain this) which also unintentionally broke using gloves in macros. To fix what they broke they implemented a second hotfix, and their hotfix now also allows using Engr gloves and active trinkets at the same time, and they said will leave that as is (for now at least), so enjoy using the macro as I show it in the video now! Nice little buff for us twitter.com/AggrendWoW/status/1579664462843633664 Update: YOU CANNOT USE ENGR GLOVES AT THE SAME TIME AS AN ACTIVE TRINKET. It's not a bug and it's intended. Move the "/use 10" in the macro I show to the line above the "/use 14" so that the macro first activates gloves before your trinkets. Then 10s later after the buff from gloves has worn off, use your active trinkets. Utilizing gloves during burst window as opposed to active trinket during burst window is typically going to be more DPS, so do them in that order. I apologize that I didn't think of it when making the macro, as I didn't have engineering leveled on the beta (hardly anyone did) because blizzard doesn't give you Engineering skill with template characters and thus you would have to farm it up the mats and level it all yourself, which almost no one did. Thus I hadn't been using the engr gloves enchant and wasn't thinking about the fact that the "/use 10" needs to come before trinkets since they can't be activated at the same time.
Also for those asking about AB spam, it isnt much more DPS but is way more intensive. See graph in my discord at following message link discord.com/channels/246157273011847168/930324909551407115/1016925151209717850 (also pinned in my discord).
question, a lot of guides tell ENGR hands are best for mages or shadow priest, does that change because you cant use it with trinket? or still the best? And THANKS a lot for this video. I LOVE videos detailed like this and complete min maxing.
Thanks for the guide bro, I'm from latam and I play wow in Faerlina, I was looking for a guide in my language and I couldn't find any, however when I searched in English I got yours and it's super complete thank you very much
great video. lots of good info here. my casual brain can only retain so much but a few pointers ill remember for doing better. i thought arcane was super simple but today i learned there is a lot more nuance to it than i ever imagined. at least now i have some new macros to use and i know to use molten armor over mage armor.
Such a great video, just came back to check your section on haste caps and completely forgot to swap potion after getting Embrace of the Spider. Thanks for such a detailed guide it's really helped me a lot so far, I've been really enjoying playing Wrath classic fairly casually however there's so much good info here I've been able to get orange/pink logs consistently.
Hey dude, I've decided to run with an arcane mage for classic wrath and was looking for some good content to get me on par and found this gem. I have to give you a lot of credit for the effort put into this. I understand that a lot of this is fairly simple. But I know I will be coming back to this video a bunch of times to review these things. Thank you!
Just found your channel and got drawn into watching a 50 minute video at 3 am lol. Great info, hope to not be utter garbage and have a respectable parse one day thanks to you!
This is shared best guide i have seen so far! Other than Macro's and mods and such that you covered upon at the end there, the only thing i would request you clarify upon, is when you would rather be fire instead of Arcane. Either on specific bosses, or niche situations, or because you get too good gear. or anything like that
Check my phase 1 BIS guide for a little more insight on when to go fire vs arcane in Ulduar but the bottomline is that we just won't know until it comes out on PTR for testing. At this point everyone's thoughts are just speculation.
@@Crateria Alright! thanks i will do that; sorry, im not a regular viewer, first video i saw, youtube recommended it. i will check some of your other videos out
Not sure if Im youtube dumb or not but I can't find the pinned comment regarding engineering gloves with the CD macro... Also, LOVING your videos! You present them in a clear and thorough manner!
Quick reminder for all the pve/p hybrids like me. if you are about to play frost pvp and arcane pve which is nice cause of shared stats, human still is above gnome for its racial just because in most arenas you could spare the trinket
I went out of my comfort zone for wotlk by going mage, and I gotta say your content has been so helpful in teaching me how to optimize my play. I’m still working out the kinks, but I wanted to say thank you for this video as well as alll your others! Also, Gratz on realm first I watched the video yesterday morning before work!
So never played arcane mage in wrath specifically but after watching all your videos and getting into the flow I got a huge parse on Maex 25 last night #1 mage server on Skyfury and #24 world name is Souperball. Worth every minute of analyzing your vids. Once my guild stops screwing up pull timers I look forward to many more giga parses thank you!
An Incanter build as you are leveling can make things go much faster in my experience. Since questing, dungeons and open world farming are usually quick fights it is very cost effective while leveling.
Arcane barrage is super niche there's only been a couple of times throughout many private servers where I was playing arcane and was like damn barrage could be useful here. Heigan is def one of them; the other circumstances are really just based on weird positioning or timings. A vast majority of the time I don't bother with the threat reduction either its never seemed to be a problem for me with the exception of like Malygos and then some future phase content if anything my cookie cutter spec will have like 1 point into it. You can generally get away with like 2 points into the pushback in the first row because with improved conq its like what 10% missing 3 points over caps you can generally get away with putting a point elsewhere to squeeze out a little more dps, kind of a double edged sword there on some fights though. The range talent is for sure useful on a lot of fights; the other 2 options more so for longer fights like KT are magic absorption or swapping some points in frost for the warding talent to get some mana back. Overall really good stuff there, just some food for thought.
Also interesting bit in the missile gambling section is it not better to just reset stacks with the first tic and then go right into more AB's? never actually been something I've simmed
I was quite surprised to fire this up and suddenly hear PSO music. Ironically, the game I was big into that kinda kept me from Wrath the first time around.
Hello Crateria, great video well and simply explained! I was wondering if you could upload a video explaining all your display? Looks clean and really useful. 😊
In all the times I've played as mage in WoW, I always went with arcane because it just did better damage when soloing. When I was in a group, a fire mage was top dps, though I chose frost/arcane because I felt fire was boring. Yes I did less dps but I wasn't doing hard raids where dps mattered. Edit: I've always disliked stat differences when choosing a race/sex. It means people are going to flock to whatever is more powerful instead of what they like. I usually role human, because I also don't like gnomes. When I play on Horde, I usually role a Tauran because I don't like trolls (nor most of the races on Horde lol).
This was very well put together, thanks. I just wish "Arcane Barrage" would have been somehow ingrained into the spec/rotation, a "little" bad design for a last talent point :/. Also the spec would feel more complete, but thats just my opinion.
@@Crateria If only it wouldnt reset stacks it would be so worth just for fights in wich you have to move, I tested on hodir, parsed at 60 being first dps of my raid, just because I lost so many dammages reseting my stacks (i was casting arcane barrage when moving for frost stacks or because you have to move 80% of the time in this fight). The gain on dammage on the move is lost by the lack of dammages on the stacks
@@Draakoo27 Yeah I no longer talent for abarr (haven't for months) because you really only want to use it during movement when you don't have stacks which is kind of niche
@@Crateria I have a question, in my guild there is only 1 pal so it's pretty rare that we get the aura of concentration, would you consider putting point of talent not to get spellpushback instead of hit in the case you have way to much hit (I have like 20% without druid xD)
Really appreciate the guide, but no deep dive on Incanter's Absorption? If you pop a Fire Ward + Mana Shield before a pull then Sapper you can get a shit ton of spell power on pull and stack it on top of all other cooldowns on your opener, I feel like there's not enough people discussing how important this could be on shorter fights like in Naxx. We tested this on the Mage Discord and confirmed this is working as intended, so I feel like this should get a mention. Cheers for the video, really enjoyed the watch!
I mean I do have a section on IA where I speak to it. The mage discord consensus is that we couldn't get it to sim better for fights greater than between 40-60 seconds depending on the person's sim. The reason IA was so prevalent on private servers was because you could keep the buff rolling through sulfuron slammers, which doesn't work on live. It could have uses for parsing on certain fights like sapphiron but that's all it's looking like atm, and thus you would only use it as an offspec, which I explain in the IA section at end of spec discussion. For most semi-HC and HC guilds that don't stop while plowing through Naxx, you won't have the downtime to swap specs for certain fights like that so it really doesn't have that much applicability for us.
@@Crateria Interesting take - I didn't realize slammers weren't working on live even if Incanter's Absorbstion is working from Sapper damage. Thanks for clarifying, this is gonna save me a lot of gold in the long run haha!
Absolutely great video! Just started playing WoW for the first time on the new classic server and this is what I was looking for! Still leveling, do you have tipps on when Arcane becomes viable? Is lvl 50 too low? Keep it up man!
You can go any spec for leveling although typically players like being frost for soloing because it has great CC, survivability, mana efficiency for dmg, and AOE potential for the times you can AOE mobs. I wouldn't worry about going arcane (or whatever raid spec you like) until you hit max level and are raiding. Cheers!
Great video. I am really trying to get serious about the game. This is so helpful. I will be digging into your guides and provided/linked resources. One ask, if you don’t already have it, is for a guide to properly planning key bindings and mouse with add-on recommendations. I love the game, but am starting to shift from a casual gamer perspective to really wanting to optimize and understand the class. Been soloing and trying to get achievements, but torgast really chews me up at the higher levels. Additionally, it is difficult to feel comfortable joining a raid group when you KNOW that there is SO MUCH information and optimization techniques that you either don’t have access to or of which you have zero awareness. Icy veins and wowhead only get you so far. 😑
For clarification, been playing for well over a year.. just hit a wall with my current level of knowledge. I am trying to figure out how to find what the gaps even are. You literally cannot know, what you do not know. It is difficult to get those answers without resources like this video explanation. I need to get in that mage group (will rewatch, but I believe it was in discord).
Great Video Crat! I might missed this part, but what is the consensus on using Mana Gem with 2pc T7? Should we pop it together with the other CD's during burst or is it wise to wait so we don't waste Mana? Also do we not meed /cqs anymore in the new nonchanneling Arcane Blast Macro? Thank you!
im probably late to the party to ask this, but whats the efficient way to deal with an Mbar drought, for example with AP up would i keep casting AB until i get one or still reset on 4 stacks regardless?
Pretty good video, i think you didn't talk (or i missed it) about using evocation in fight. Is it better if i spam ABs on opener with BL and all CDs and use evocation on last second of BL or i rather never use evocation at all? Pretty sure it's better but maybe you tested it.
better to not use, AB spam is only slightly more dps but costs way more mana, check description and pinned comment for graph. If you'll have to evo for the fight then do it on last tick of heroism/lust
It does more but I wouldn't say way more. The problem with FS is that it 1) has a smaller AOE radius so if the mobs aren't tightly packed then it won't hit as many as blizzard; 2) requires aiming in addition to point #1 so if you precast it while the tank is still positioning mobs, then you just lost a lot of DPS that blizzard could have provided; 3) the mobs need to tick from the FS dot at least some so if the pack dies in less than 8 seconds, blizzard probably would have done as well. The best DPS is rank 9->rank 8->blizzard but again, this assumes the mobs are positioned in place and not moving around, not spread out, and that they will last long enough for the FS ranks to tick. A lot of times, especially in fast pulling guilds, blizzard will just be more consistent and thus more dps on average. It's also much more mana efficient.
For me my mirror images won't work unless I've already casted a damaging spell. they just stand there and do nothing if I start with them. Looks like that happened in the video as well . Shouldn't we put it somehwere else in our opener then so it works ?
@crateria What kind of addons are you using. I'm specifically looking for something that can help me visualize procs of all kind, in this build especially "Missile Barrage". Think you have a very sleek and nice setup for that.
@30:59 you mention ending the fight with 0 mana. does that mean its more damage to spam arcane blast past 4 stacks and ignore missiles until we need to be in conserve mode?
no because AB spam isn't that much more dps than a rotation that uses missile barrage cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/930324909551407115/1016925151000010802/unknown.png
One more question :) For the Raidsetup is it important to be in the same group as the Shadowpriest? In TBC you get the manareg only if you are in the same group from Vampiric Touch. I´m actually in a group with 4 Warlocks and for me it doesn´t feel good.
I am trying to figure out what "just talents/raid buffs" in the haste table is. 150% haste to push 2.5s AB down to 1s is 4918.5 haste rating. - Netherwind presence is 6% (196.74 HR) - Wrath of air is 5% (163.8 HR) - Improved Moonkin Form is 3% (98.37) These are only 14% (459 HR), which would take 4918 down to 4459.4, not the 3872 listed in the table. What other "base" haste modifiers am I missing?
Hey Crateria if my arcane power runs out while my missiles are in the air do they still benefit from arcane power? This is assuming I finished the full missiles cast with arcane power up.
Hi :) I just started playing as Arcane mage. I'm curious to know, which addons and macros you are using. If it's already listed I apologies thanks in advance
thanks for this video, i don't really understand so we have to continue AB (more 4 stacks) until arcane missile proc or launch arcane missile without arcane missile proc in 4 stacks AB? the point is don't use arcane barrage to reset AB debuff right? Sry i don't really understand coz my english really bad
Why are we not using PoM to fit in one more arcane blast into arcane power? I remember from later retail arcane playstyles that was often the play. If Arcanepower time
With all the rage about fire mages these days and TTW being the best, do you think arcane still stands a chance? I was at least 2nd in damage and DPS after a DK, who respectfully has 500 more GS than I do, on damage meters in 10 man ICC last night on the first four boss encounters. We then went to Onyxia after that, where I was 2nd again and then VoA killing two bosses, where I finally arrived at the top. Would you say your info is as viable and useful for great arcane damage as it was when you released this video? I need to know cause my gear and stats aren't fire ready just yet.
Not sure if anyone has commented on this yet, but it seems that mirror images don't attack anything unless you cast on a target BEFORE popping the ability. Is this anyone else's experience? If so, starting the opener with mirror image is not ideal.
I can't tell you how happy I am for the mathematic approach you and the mage discord brought into Wrath. All we had on private servers was word of mouth and damage meters and It's so nice to actually see it all condensed into a beautiful equation. Thank you Crateria, I watched the video twice already!
I went from 11th to 2nd top dps(same guild group and only 20 GS higher than last week) after watching your video, such a great guide, thanks a lot!
I'm so happy to have discovered your channel!! you've given me the chance to enjoy how fun fire mage during pre patch!
Thanks! Sorry the fire mage is out, life is a whirlwind as usual. It is next on the docket of video making so sometime soon here the fire guide will be out. Cheers!
I changed my mind on what to main about 50 times and you’ve convinced me to play mage.
Amazing video!
Update 3 - Mirror Images are bugged af. Recommend saving them and using them during movement on fights with movement, and for fights without movement, use after first Arcane Blast. If they're ever fixed though, pre-casting them is way better as it saves you a GCD. Pre-casting them still provides the threat drop benefit.
Update 2: tl;dr - YOU CAN NOW USE ENGR GLOVES AND ACTIVE TRINKET AT THE SAME TIME (lol). Basiclaly, Blizzard hotfixed Engr glove weaving (not going to explain this) which also unintentionally broke using gloves in macros. To fix what they broke they implemented a second hotfix, and their hotfix now also allows using Engr gloves and active trinkets at the same time, and they said will leave that as is (for now at least), so enjoy using the macro as I show it in the video now! Nice little buff for us twitter.com/AggrendWoW/status/1579664462843633664
Update: YOU CANNOT USE ENGR GLOVES AT THE SAME TIME AS AN ACTIVE TRINKET. It's not a bug and it's intended. Move the "/use 10" in the macro I show to the line above the "/use 14" so that the macro first activates gloves before your trinkets. Then 10s later after the buff from gloves has worn off, use your active trinkets. Utilizing gloves during burst window as opposed to active trinket during burst window is typically going to be more DPS, so do them in that order.
I apologize that I didn't think of it when making the macro, as I didn't have engineering leveled on the beta (hardly anyone did) because blizzard doesn't give you Engineering skill with template characters and thus you would have to farm it up the mats and level it all yourself, which almost no one did. Thus I hadn't been using the engr gloves enchant and wasn't thinking about the fact that the "/use 10" needs to come before trinkets since they can't be activated at the same time.
u the goat @crat
Also for those asking about AB spam, it isnt much more DPS but is way more intensive. See graph in my discord at following message link discord.com/channels/246157273011847168/930324909551407115/1016925151209717850 (also pinned in my discord).
is 320 haste on the opener with BL really better than 346SP?
question, a lot of guides tell ENGR hands are best for mages or shadow priest, does that change because you cant use it with trinket? or still the best?
And THANKS a lot for this video. I LOVE videos detailed like this and complete min maxing.
@@followVadda no its still the best, sims follow the rules and dont allow glove and active use trinket at same time
This is such a high value video, I will come back to this over and over the next weeks. Thanks!
I can't thank you enough for all this precise and perfectly condensed information - absolutely priceless! Very appreciated mate
That PSO character creation music brought back the feels. DC V1 & V2, and GC
Such an informative video into getting into arcane mage. Keep up the good work, and looking forward to your future videos!
so true, sadly there no content about icc phase on channel
Awesome video, mage just hit 70 didn't think I would need an hour video but this helped a lot
Omg this has all been very helpful thank you for making this!
Also mad respect for your music choices especially from Metroid Prime & PSO 1/2 👌
Thanks for the guide bro, I'm from latam and I play wow in Faerlina, I was looking for a guide in my language and I couldn't find any, however when I searched in English I got yours and it's super complete thank you very much
Such a good guide dude. Thanks a lot. I have watched it like 3 times and still picking up new things.
Thanks so much for this guide. Decided to swap to mage and this helps a ton! So much in depth knowledge
The PSO music in the background hit me with huge nostalgia.
Was thinking the same thing
Incredible guide with alot of information that covered all my questions ! Thanks for this great guide !
Dude, Phantasy Star Online Ep 1&2 music? What a legend. Thanks for this absolute treasure of a video Crateria.
great video. lots of good info here. my casual brain can only retain so much but a few pointers ill remember for doing better. i thought arcane was super simple but today i learned there is a lot more nuance to it than i ever imagined. at least now i have some new macros to use and i know to use molten armor over mage armor.
I have a warlock and a mage and I found this guide infinitely alot simpler than the warlock guide 🤣
Such a great video, just came back to check your section on haste caps and completely forgot to swap potion after getting Embrace of the Spider. Thanks for such a detailed guide it's really helped me a lot so far, I've been really enjoying playing Wrath classic fairly casually however there's so much good info here I've been able to get orange/pink logs consistently.
how much base haste do we need?
Hey dude, I've decided to run with an arcane mage for classic wrath and was looking for some good content to get me on par and found this gem. I have to give you a lot of credit for the effort put into this. I understand that a lot of this is fairly simple. But I know I will be coming back to this video a bunch of times to review these things. Thank you!
Your videos are superb. Thank you for the great tips. Excited for the fire mage guide.
Just found your channel and got drawn into watching a 50 minute video at 3 am lol. Great info, hope to not be utter garbage and have a respectable parse one day thanks to you!
For the first moment it thought Bear Grylls was playing WoW now :D Great Video, tvm!!
Sick information, thanks so much. As an aside - absolutely did not expect to hear PSO music in a WoW video, lol!
I feel like I've just sat through a university lecture on arcane mage pve lmao!
Amazing video.
incredible amount of info, thank you
always pleasure learning with you
This is shared best guide i have seen so far! Other than Macro's and mods and such that you covered upon at the end there, the only thing i would request you clarify upon, is when you would rather be fire instead of Arcane. Either on specific bosses, or niche situations, or because you get too good gear. or anything like that
Check my phase 1 BIS guide for a little more insight on when to go fire vs arcane in Ulduar but the bottomline is that we just won't know until it comes out on PTR for testing. At this point everyone's thoughts are just speculation.
@@Crateria Alright! thanks i will do that; sorry, im not a regular viewer, first video i saw, youtube recommended it. i will check some of your other videos out
@@lek1223 all good, thx for watchin and enjoy
I Love the PSO Background music
Ty for the high Q content bro we needed this so much ♥
Not sure if Im youtube dumb or not but I can't find the pinned comment regarding engineering gloves with the CD macro...
Also, LOVING your videos! You present them in a clear and thorough manner!
Great video, thanks for helping a new 70 mage figure out what the hell is going on!
Thank you for all these awesome works. Really appreciate it!!!
BRO THIS CHANNEL IS CRACK LOVE THE MAGE CONTENT, ALL I NEED! THANK YOU
Quick reminder for all the pve/p hybrids like me. if you are about to play frost pvp and arcane pve which is nice cause of shared stats, human still is above gnome for its racial just because in most arenas you could spare the trinket
With mirror images, I’ve found you have to get into combat, cast your first spell, and then pop images, then they’ll never bug and not attack :)
thanks a lot for this. Used this to prep myself for raid. Also a big fan of pure pwnage haha. Saw your other vid
I went out of my comfort zone for wotlk by going mage, and I gotta say your content has been so helpful in teaching me how to optimize my play. I’m still working out the kinks, but I wanted to say thank you for this video as well as alll your others! Also, Gratz on realm first I watched the video yesterday morning before work!
I don't even play mage, but mad props for the Metroid Prime OST.
Some of the best VG music out there!
i just randomly stumbled upon your channel, seems like really good content, subbed and followed twitch :)
So never played arcane mage in wrath specifically but after watching all your videos and getting into the flow I got a huge parse on Maex 25 last night #1 mage server on Skyfury and #24 world name is Souperball. Worth every minute of analyzing your vids. Once my guild stops screwing up pull timers I look forward to many more giga parses thank you!
you ignored web wraps, gj
An Incanter build as you are leveling can make things go much faster in my experience. Since questing, dungeons and open world farming are usually quick fights it is very cost effective while leveling.
Subbed because of the timestamps out the gate. love it
Arcane barrage is super niche there's only been a couple of times throughout many private servers where I was playing arcane and was like damn barrage could be useful here. Heigan is def one of them; the other circumstances are really just based on weird positioning or timings. A vast majority of the time I don't bother with the threat reduction either its never seemed to be a problem for me with the exception of like Malygos and then some future phase content if anything my cookie cutter spec will have like 1 point into it. You can generally get away with like 2 points into the pushback in the first row because with improved conq its like what 10% missing 3 points over caps you can generally get away with putting a point elsewhere to squeeze out a little more dps, kind of a double edged sword there on some fights though. The range talent is for sure useful on a lot of fights; the other 2 options more so for longer fights like KT are magic absorption or swapping some points in frost for the warding talent to get some mana back. Overall really good stuff there, just some food for thought.
Also interesting bit in the missile gambling section is it not better to just reset stacks with the first tic and then go right into more AB's? never actually been something I've simmed
here for the phantasy star online music at the beginning
Hey man thx for the vid.. was here for the professions before I went into Northrend but learned a lot of other stuff.
FINALLY... a guide that can turn us scrubs into gamers! The DEFINITIVE guide! :)
im already at the top of the dps boards, this is going to help me stay there thanks
I was quite surprised to fire this up and suddenly hear PSO music. Ironically, the game I was big into that kinda kept me from Wrath the first time around.
Hello Crateria, great video well and simply explained! I was wondering if you could upload a video explaining all your display? Looks clean and really useful. 😊
yo i vastly appreciated the PSO music holy shit.
In all the times I've played as mage in WoW, I always went with arcane because it just did better damage when soloing. When I was in a group, a fire mage was top dps, though I chose frost/arcane because I felt fire was boring. Yes I did less dps but I wasn't doing hard raids where dps mattered.
Edit: I've always disliked stat differences when choosing a race/sex. It means people are going to flock to whatever is more powerful instead of what they like. I usually role human, because I also don't like gnomes. When I play on Horde, I usually role a Tauran because I don't like trolls (nor most of the races on Horde lol).
This was very well put together, thanks. I just wish "Arcane Barrage" would have been somehow ingrained into the spec/rotation, a "little" bad design for a last talent point :/. Also the spec would feel more complete, but thats just my opinion.
Yeah I hear ya, Blizz needed to buff arcane barrage more
@@Crateria If only it wouldnt reset stacks it would be so worth just for fights in wich you have to move, I tested on hodir, parsed at 60 being first dps of my raid, just because I lost so many dammages reseting my stacks (i was casting arcane barrage when moving for frost stacks or because you have to move 80% of the time in this fight).
The gain on dammage on the move is lost by the lack of dammages on the stacks
@@Draakoo27 Yeah I no longer talent for abarr (haven't for months) because you really only want to use it during movement when you don't have stacks which is kind of niche
@@Crateria I have a question, in my guild there is only 1 pal so it's pretty rare that we get the aura of concentration, would you consider putting point of talent not to get spellpushback instead of hit in the case you have way to much hit (I have like 20% without druid xD)
With the recent change we are able to use glove cd with an on use trinket. I assume this makes mark of the war prisoner way better than before for us.
yes
Is that the phantasy star online soundtrack? Great guide btw!
Yessir! And thank you!
Really appreciate the guide, but no deep dive on Incanter's Absorption? If you pop a Fire Ward + Mana Shield before a pull then Sapper you can get a shit ton of spell power on pull and stack it on top of all other cooldowns on your opener, I feel like there's not enough people discussing how important this could be on shorter fights like in Naxx. We tested this on the Mage Discord and confirmed this is working as intended, so I feel like this should get a mention. Cheers for the video, really enjoyed the watch!
I mean I do have a section on IA where I speak to it. The mage discord consensus is that we couldn't get it to sim better for fights greater than between 40-60 seconds depending on the person's sim. The reason IA was so prevalent on private servers was because you could keep the buff rolling through sulfuron slammers, which doesn't work on live. It could have uses for parsing on certain fights like sapphiron but that's all it's looking like atm, and thus you would only use it as an offspec, which I explain in the IA section at end of spec discussion. For most semi-HC and HC guilds that don't stop while plowing through Naxx, you won't have the downtime to swap specs for certain fights like that so it really doesn't have that much applicability for us.
@@Crateria Interesting take - I didn't realize slammers weren't working on live even if Incanter's Absorbstion is working from Sapper damage. Thanks for clarifying, this is gonna save me a lot of gold in the long run haha!
Absolutely great video! Just started playing WoW for the first time on the new classic server and this is what I was looking for! Still leveling, do you have tipps on when Arcane becomes viable? Is lvl 50 too low? Keep it up man!
You can go any spec for leveling although typically players like being frost for soloing because it has great CC, survivability, mana efficiency for dmg, and AOE potential for the times you can AOE mobs. I wouldn't worry about going arcane (or whatever raid spec you like) until you hit max level and are raiding. Cheers!
Is that phantasy star online music in the background??
yup!
Great video. I am really trying to get serious about the game. This is so helpful. I will be digging into your guides and provided/linked resources. One ask, if you don’t already have it, is for a guide to properly planning key bindings and mouse with add-on recommendations. I love the game, but am starting to shift from a casual gamer perspective to really wanting to optimize and understand the class. Been soloing and trying to get achievements, but torgast really chews me up at the higher levels. Additionally, it is difficult to feel comfortable joining a raid group when you KNOW that there is SO MUCH information and optimization techniques that you either don’t have access to or of which you have zero awareness. Icy veins and wowhead only get you so far. 😑
For clarification, been playing for well over a year.. just hit a wall with my current level of knowledge. I am trying to figure out how to find what the gaps even are. You literally cannot know, what you do not know. It is difficult to get those answers without resources like this video explanation.
I need to get in that mage group (will rewatch, but I believe it was in discord).
thanks for an awesome video! incredibly helpful c:
Such a great video, I learned ALOT!!!!!
You earned a sub, Thank you so much.
Great guide, insanely detailed. ty
Im gonna crush them on wednesday. Got embrace today. Thx for All the Infos for minmaxing.
i would use pom on the 4 stacked instead of the 3 stacked for larging crittings
Brilliant. Thank you!!!
The nostalgia of the Metroid Prime music...
Great guide thanks Crat
Great video and at 2:40 is that Phantasy Star Online’s theme??
Yup! I used tracks from PSO and Metroid Prime for the music in this video.
Thanks for the video, it's a great guide
Thank you vm for this guide. Help me a lot. one question... which add-ons do you recommend? to show procs and stuff.
Weakauras addon with Fojji's mage weakaura, google both and you should be able to find them. Cheers
great vid got everything i needed appreciated
Great Video Crat!
I might missed this part, but what is the consensus on using Mana Gem with 2pc T7? Should we pop it together with the other CD's during burst or is it wise to wait so we don't waste Mana?
Also do we not meed /cqs anymore in the new nonchanneling Arcane Blast Macro?
Thank you!
u only need cqs for cd macros. I think its better to delay cds until mana gems once u have t7 2pc but not exactly sure, havent simmed it yet
Love the video amazing info !! , just one question is it normal that you can’t use all cds in one macro it make your hands enchant on a 20 sec cd ?
see pinned comment
Awesome video man thank you
im probably late to the party to ask this, but whats the efficient way to deal with an Mbar drought, for example with AP up would i keep casting AB until i get one or still reset on 4 stacks regardless?
Loving the PSO music
Great guide - would love to know best times to use evocation like in the intermission on gothik
Pretty good video, i think you didn't talk (or i missed it) about using evocation in fight.
Is it better if i spam ABs on opener with BL and all CDs and use evocation on last second of BL or i rather never use evocation at all?
Pretty sure it's better but maybe you tested it.
better to not use, AB spam is only slightly more dps but costs way more mana, check description and pinned comment for graph. If you'll have to evo for the fight then do it on last tick of heroism/lust
the phantasy star universe music is fire
Do you have a video or an article showing how to set up the sim?
Cool video, do u ever use alter time? I can’t seem to see any use for that…or I just don’t know how to use it.
I did back in the day when i played MoP but couldn't tell you optimal retail strats nowadays, only playing classic atm
Hi. Thanks for the video. What WA or UI are you using that shows your Mbarr proc and trinket/lightweave proc?
check discord, pins in weakauras channel
this might be wrong but i figured out flamestrike spamming in aoe pulls does way more dps than just normal blizzarding :)
It does more but I wouldn't say way more. The problem with FS is that it 1) has a smaller AOE radius so if the mobs aren't tightly packed then it won't hit as many as blizzard; 2) requires aiming in addition to point #1 so if you precast it while the tank is still positioning mobs, then you just lost a lot of DPS that blizzard could have provided; 3) the mobs need to tick from the FS dot at least some so if the pack dies in less than 8 seconds, blizzard probably would have done as well.
The best DPS is rank 9->rank 8->blizzard but again, this assumes the mobs are positioned in place and not moving around, not spread out, and that they will last long enough for the FS ranks to tick. A lot of times, especially in fast pulling guilds, blizzard will just be more consistent and thus more dps on average. It's also much more mana efficient.
For me my mirror images won't work unless I've already casted a damaging spell. they just stand there and do nothing if I start with them. Looks like that happened in the video as well . Shouldn't we put it somehwere else in our opener then so it works ?
head to my discord and type !mirrorimage in the nightbots channel for an update
@crateria What kind of addons are you using. I'm specifically looking for something that can help me visualize procs of all kind, in this build especially "Missile Barrage".
Think you have a very sleek and nice setup for that.
check the discord weakauras channel and the pins there, my WA's as well as fojji's is pinned there which can help
@30:59 you mention ending the fight with 0 mana. does that mean its more damage to spam arcane blast past 4 stacks and ignore missiles until we need to be in conserve mode?
no because AB spam isn't that much more dps than a rotation that uses missile barrage cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/930324909551407115/1016925151000010802/unknown.png
Can stack hyper speed accelerators with on use trinkets again!
Very helpful, thank you.
One more question :)
For the Raidsetup is it important to be in the same group as the Shadowpriest? In TBC you get the manareg only if you are in the same group from Vampiric Touch. I´m actually in a group with 4 Warlocks and for me it doesn´t feel good.
watch the raid buffs section of my wotlk pve changes video to learn about that
I am trying to figure out what "just talents/raid buffs" in the haste table is. 150% haste to push 2.5s AB down to 1s is 4918.5 haste rating.
- Netherwind presence is 6% (196.74 HR)
- Wrath of air is 5% (163.8 HR)
- Improved Moonkin Form is 3% (98.37)
These are only 14% (459 HR), which would take 4918 down to 4459.4, not the 3872 listed in the table. What other "base" haste modifiers am I missing?
Just wondering what the optimal use of the 2 set bonus mana gem is? Is it just added to the burst macro? Great content!
use after you've depleted enough mana, only hold cd's for it if your shammies are asleep at the wheel and pop hero/lust late
Hey Crateria if my arcane power runs out while my missiles are in the air do they still benefit from arcane power? This is assuming I finished the full missiles cast with arcane power up.
Hi :) I just started playing as Arcane mage. I'm curious to know, which addons and macros you are using. If it's already listed I apologies
thanks in advance
Hi, great guide thanks. Whats the addon that shows the stacks counting up 1-4 just above your character?
its a WA, check the pins in my weakauras channel in my discord
thanks for this video,
i don't really understand so we have to continue AB (more 4 stacks) until arcane missile proc or launch arcane missile without arcane missile proc in 4 stacks AB?
the point is don't use arcane barrage to reset AB debuff right?
Sry i don't really understand coz my english really bad
yes, that is the gist of missile barrage gambling
Bruh.
At 31:24 Is that the Perfect Dark music from N64 playing?
Loved seeing you on Crix mage podcast and also love this guide. So much good information. When will we see the fire version? 😊
soon i swear!
What's your target macro? Somewhere in the video you talk about it but I can't find it again.
Why are we not using PoM to fit in one more arcane blast into arcane power? I remember from later retail arcane playstyles that was often the play. If Arcanepower time
you can't use PoM during AP
@@Crateria ohhh
With all the rage about fire mages these days and TTW being the best, do you think arcane still stands a chance? I was at least 2nd in damage and DPS after a DK, who respectfully has 500 more GS than I do, on damage meters in 10 man ICC last night on the first four boss encounters. We then went to Onyxia after that, where I was 2nd again and then VoA killing two bosses, where I finally arrived at the top. Would you say your info is as viable and useful for great arcane damage as it was when you released this video? I need to know cause my gear and stats aren't fire ready just yet.
Not sure if anyone has commented on this yet, but it seems that mirror images don't attack anything unless you cast on a target BEFORE popping the ability. Is this anyone else's experience? If so, starting the opener with mirror image is not ideal.
yeah they're bugged, unless fixed you could pop them elsewhere in the fight, outside of cds and preferably during movement and while close to boss