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Hand Trap Loli's have been tier 0 for literally a decade they see 100% representation in every cut because of their first archetype release card Ash Blossom and Winter Cherries and most people tend to side Ghost Ogre or some of the other HTL's (based on not just tournaments but online data for Master Duel, ygopro, and Dueling Book)
@@samw9906 tier 0 does not apply to staples but to decks. The usage rates can't be compared like that. Besides, hand traps seeing a lot of play is a good thing Also neither Ash nor Cherries was the first one released (and Cherries sees Limited play), the first was Ogre
It's kind of funny how branded Fusion was balanced by locking you into Fusions for the entire turn then Along come tearalaments that just allow you to fuse with no restriction.
Yeah I agree I always thought it was funny that tears have insanely powerful fusions (almost moreso than Branded) and then just go ahead and summon abyss dweller or bahamut shark
the not as generic as you think 90% of fusion monsters can't be summoned via tearlaments card due to the fact a dark or water monster isn't in the requirement
65-70%* TOSS format saw Orcust hit 60% representation with how many variants existed thanks to Knightmare Mermaid and it still never hit Tier Zero status as a deck because Thunder and Striker made up all but the last 5% of the pie chart back then.
funny thing is, both Dragon Rulers and Spellbooks were considered Tier 0 during their time, despite neither reaching 60% of the top cut, because they both kept each other in check
@@naughter3674 Red rose dragon was good, the problem is that it can't be too good or else other archetypes will abuse it and then it'll get banned because of an indirect hit to an unrelated archetype.
It really doesn't work like that though. The metas and ban lists are completely different. For all you know the answer cards could get banned or limited to one on MD to make the new cards better and therefore more desirable. MD banlist is wack and nonsensical. How do you have Rhongo? Why is crossout at 1? Why is conq at 1? You can get sort of a read on what to do, but just the fact that max C exists in MD and not tcg wildly changes the decks power.
With the easy access to a wide variety of cards and decks in MD, it's only going to be a matter of time before someone finds a strat to shut them down. Plus, they struck the Adventure Engine upon its release, so they might hit a Tear card or two to keep it in check. I will agree though, the ban list is wild in MD. I hate infinite negate boards more than anything. Hence why I've started running the Fiend Kaiju in my Live-Twin Unchained deck just in case I run into it.
Thank god Dinomorphia is okay at best this format. I can't wait for them to hit Kashtira though. Like, Ishizu Tears is bad, but Kashtira is gonna be fucking aids as well after Photon Hypernova.
I played wave 1 kashtira atlocals against tear ishizu and other stuff the match upa weren't as bad as I thought still lost to tear ishizu but the sides mattered I lost to droll and ash in the side if handtraps voe. back jash is easy to stop I know since those are the games I lost to especially droll
I think the main problem is that it makes going first or second irrelevent. Oh, you are going first? Does not matter since I can do all kinds of things in your first turn and even force you to surrender in YOUR first turn. Even those birds need to wait until turn 3 to do whatever in the opponent's turn. This is the most distinct difference that tearalaments have from other top tier decks.
Also the biggert problem are the Ishizu cards you can ban Kitkallos and Teras would stop being so good, but the Ishizu cards works with everything that wants to mill, thos cards limit the card design to the point that Konami would need to think before releasing new cards that bennefit from Milling, so yeah i can see thet pretty much the whole archettye gets on the banlist like the Dragon Rulers.
@@matthewbrady1562 Nah Kitkallos isn't goign to be ban next banlist maybe a limit i think is goign to be similar than in the OCG limit the Ishizu stuff, Perlereino or Kitakallos limit, also Tear without Kitkallos but whiot Ishizu still works fine, i mean you don't need top summon he rif you can mill like 15.
i think the tears are kind the issue, since bystal and kashtira were supposed to help beat tear and now tears are running them. tear just seems to be a stupidly adaptable type that kinda needs to be hit.
One of the games problems is that it constantly keeps making the graveyard a viable resource to play from. This is like giving those decks a bunch of pot of greeds while letting you stab your dueling neighbor.
the problem is that with ishizu tears it is easy to play through interruption, the gy isn't the problem itself as there are many ways to stop cards in the gy nowadays
The problem with yugioh is they keep making new cards far more powerful than necessary to out do the previous cards which makes power creep ridiculous because Konami knows people will spend huge amount of money for the meta to play them competitively.
I feel like you spend so much time learning a deck and investing in it, and it’s got a respectable spot on the tier list and by the time you finish the deck, it’s been crept out already 🙄
@@newhumanoldbrain I don’t necessarily think that’s true, but I do think dracopal/Pepe was a real turning point, it was the first time a deck could consistently pump out multiple Omni-negates with a lot of firepower still ready, full power Pepe would get smacked today, but before that the most powerful pen decks were qli and metalfoes, one makes a fusion on the opponent’s turn for 1 disruption that takes multiple cards, the other goes search get big monster flip floodgate, nothing like today, duelist alliance was the last slower era
I really have the feeling that since the release of Spright and Tear, Konami do not know what they are doing, they do not know how their game works and they are totally unaware of the actual game state. In less than a year, the powercreep of the game has just gone so wild it makes no sense...
Yeah yeah the same old story: “we have the outs”. Let’s be clear, in a format where called by and crossout are a thing they even outnumber (x4) the chances to see shifter (x3). And if you are forced to play cards as mannequin cat and the Egyptian statue as floodgates in order to slowdown tear - ishizu, I’d say it’s bad news (and do not forget, the mannequin cat exploit works going first and tear could have the HTs to shut it down nonetheless). Let’s see how YCS Dortmund plays out, I see an emergency banlist dropping in a month.
I've been playing since 2003 and have always sat out the tier zero formats. Looks like I get to take a break again lol. Ah well, I'll have a lot more fun playing goat and Edison with my buddies at the shop who are also sick of the format
I think you're missing an "only" in there somewhere, every deck can be beaten by itself but very, very few decks had the mirror match as their worst matchup.
I remember when people complained that games only took 2 turns and the player going first was often able to put 5+ negates and/or floodgates. We now have a format that has back and forth, few negates and both players get to play, and people still complain.
I think it's because people don't like they don't own their own turn. The funny thing is, we haven't owned our turn since as far back as around 2017 or 2018. Even rogue going first decks could combo off on the going second player's turn, and going second players had handtraps, which while not as impactful as being allowed to combo on your opponent's turn, still made it so going first players no longer had _full_ authority going first, only most of it. I honestly don't know why people are so surprised, we were headed this way for a looooong while now.
@@aliesterus1.023 realistically speaking the best offence is a good def- ahem sorry the best offence is preventing your opponent from playing and whoever cockblocks there opponent the best wins and if it's a near close match. both parties end up feeling satisfied but if it's smthn like, idkkkk full power dragon links vs pure mayakashis yeaaaaaaah overwhelming defeat is tragic
A full set of Dark Ruler No More and Cosmic Cyclone, that deals with the problems you mentioned, would cost around 15 dollars. The Tear field spell is 80. I would rather have a format I can solve for 15 than a format where I need three 80 dollar field spells.
Ishizu tear mirrors are long and contain more decisions than any other matchup in yugioh which is mentally exhausting, which will make players perform worse as swiss progresses. I suspect we will we a lot more comfort picks in top cut than people expect simply for this reason, it doesn't matter if your deck is better on paper if you negate at the wrong time or call your chain links wrong after a weird mill.
I'm so glad that Yu-Gi-Oh is literally killing off all the fun in the game by constantly making cards ever more broken. The worst part is the power creep isn't even gradual. There are so many archetypes that are becoming absolutely unplayable even from just a few years ago.
personally for me mostly knowing about Tier 0 from videos rather then Dragon Rulers it's TeleDAD and Zoodiac which I think of when it comes to Tier 0 as well as Gladiator Beasts with Guyzarus.
@@sirspookybones1118 Spyral format gets mentioned but not quite as much as TeleDAD and Zoodiacs. I only started really paying attention to Yugioh's competitive scene in April 2020 so while some of the videos showed the craziness that was enabled by Master Plan with Magician's Soul for whatever reason the Double Helix tier 0 stuff wasn't talked about as much.
@@sirspookybones1118 Spyral format didn't last anywhere near as long as TeleDAD or Zoodiacs. I still think Drident should be unbanned, but that's just me. Zoodiac Tri-Brigade would only be tier 2 at best. Although, if we did get a nuclear banlist in the future, that would cause issues. Its just that right now I think Drident wouldn't do shit to the format (even pre-Ishizu).
@@four-en-tee Master Duel has Drident at 1 and it isnt overbearing at all. It could perfectly go to 1 in the TCG and it wouldn't make that much of a difference since the real power cards of Zoodiacs are Ratpier and Broadbull
Ok, part of the problem is that Konami didn't hit any Tear cards in the last ban-list, and the next ban-list is probably a while away (if Tear is bad enough we might get an emergency ban-list, but there's no guarantee). THIS is going to be a problem until probably mid January, and its not going to be fun. Not only that but there are no other sets or cards on the horizon that look like they can stop Tear. Crystal Revenge doesn't have any new meta cards, Structure Deck Dark World doesn't have any new meta cards, Amazing Defenders doesn't have any new meta cards. The next three releases, do not have anything that can stop Tear. The next big TCG release is Photon Hypernova in February. Waiting 4 months for the meta to change isn't good enough. Ironically the only thing that might, MIGHT save us is the possibility of a Master Rule 6 announcement in December thus completely reshaping the meta. Until then, November is going to suck.
not to mention that the singular deck capable of standing up to post PHHY tears are kashtira, an arguably even more annoying deck to fight against. also not to mention that kashtira existing is what will make post PHHY tears even worse since a handful of the kashtira cards other than the obvious tearalaments kashtira can be played in a tear strategy, like ariseheart (which is a fucking macro cosmos on legs).
Adam going goblin mode about tearlaments and ishizu cards like Charlie from IASIP talking about the mail And with good reason this is a fucking conspiracy Love you Adam hope to keep you in my feed
Cool, i'm just gonna keep playing Thunder Dragon Shaddoll Tears like the based gamer I am. Although, Dino Burning Abyss is more of my jam. Cicada King + Rexterm is a pretty good turn 1 board.
Konami: makes broken boss monsters Konami: sells those broken cards in blind packs so more people buy cards Konami: has to ban/limit broken boss monsters because too many people use them It's a loop that has existed since the first forbidden/limited list. This will happen as long as you play Yugioh. Power creep will be a thing. How do you beat hand-traps? Deck-traps? A card that allows itself to be searched if it even exists in your deck?
@@darkdave1998 something that reads "if you normal or special summon summon '[archetype]', special summon this card from your hand, deck, or GY. Then do some other nonsense."
I feel like people tend to not understand that Mystic Mine is a very key card in holding back decks like this. While the OCG has Maxx C, we're maintaining Mystic Mine. I'm firmly of the belief that without Mine, we're going to be in for a run of Tier 0 Formats, just like the OCG was.
How about banning broken cards instead of keeping Mine around, which will only promote stalling in tournaments? At the end of the day Mine is just another floodgate, which we don't need more of. I'd rather have Maxx C than this trash
@@davemarinas3259 Yep, its amazing how theres a format where mystic mine isnt even broken anymore. Tells us how fast things have gone, although tbf, last format it wasnt great anyways
Its worth noting as well that Mine is banned in the OCG. As much as I hate Mystic Mine, we kinda need it this format until a nuclear sized ban list is able to drop. It won't change the fact that this deck is gonna be tier 0, but it does mean that the counter play this format is going to be aids. It kinda has to be, remember that people thought Magical Scientist FTK back in the day was the only deck that could keep up with Chaos Control.
So they made new cards that revolve around manipulating graveyard...... In a format where the best deck 's main gimmick is milling and activating said effects........ I know they wanna sell new cards but seriously wtf Konami 😑😑😑
I think initially they wanted to turn unplayable gimmicky pseudo ftk card (exchange of the spirit) into a cohesive strategy. That's why they gave new retrains all these crazy mill effects, but they either forgot forgot what year we live in or had poor communication with other design teams and didn't put any restrictions on those cards.
@@kindlingking You give two possible reasons that does not suggest any possibility that they knew what they were doing. They plan these Cards ahead. Their knew what they were doing. There was no miscommunication or lapse in memory Come on now. It's one thing when you have cards over a decade old. But the ishizu cards came out after tear. Don't give them a pass
i love how the consensus in diviner and herald of orange should go to keep these cards my belief screw there money if there become an issue the next list needs to hit them.
If this is coming down the road, they should allow powerful cards of other archetypes to return to see if it can compete eg Protos in Swordsoul, Block Dragon in Adamancipator etc. They won't however as it earns them nothing.
If they were smart, they'd unban them and then reprint them in high rarities. That would feel like a win for them and a win for the community. Pay me, Konami
Itll be pretty interesting to see, but block dragon might not be as strong as it was before. Ishizu can just shuffle it back into the deck before you get a chance to even use block dragon.
Fun fact for all people calling for ishizu's cards ban or limitation, they are limited/ban in OCG, and Tear still a tier 0 without using ishizu's cards, and even against a deck purposely made to counter them named Kashtira, and with it's full power. Tear is just the biggest horror of game design that I saw in YEARS, still wondering how someone came up with this archetype idea and thought "Hey that will be a great addition to our game !".
It will never come back as long as substitutoad and sprite exists to create very easy FTK shenanigans plus your roadintoadin isn't a hard once per turn either. So for that reason it's staying in ban jail forever
Tear got finally a shutdown and it’s still good even after the heavy nerfs. Now we have to face kashtira and let’s hope we are all winning the dice match to go first!
Ishizu Tear is oppressive. Just had a local (because they allowed us to play with them) with Tear Ishizu, results: Flunder opens Shifter, you open Orange light. Pure Tenyi somehow got 2-2 in the event, but your not the reason. Spright can give them a head ache when going first….when going first. Sky Striker has a bad time if your opponent can just quick effect your Kagari target alongside your Raye into the Deck. Yeah……good luck with anything not Tears.
personally i think the tear cards themselves are fine it's just like spright. the ishizu cards and elf and sprind are the issues. ronin and toad banned in respect formats one in the tcg one in the ocg due to the sins of elf and the future release of sprind
It looks like I might need to consider looking into building a different variant to my destiny hero deck that includes guys like dark law. I guess a dark hero turbo? No GY, no on-field monster effects, a OPT targeted pop, and more. Sounds like I can make tear shed tears. Hehe lol.
And also to add on archetypal combo handtraps since bystial and one of the Tear mons Harvis(?) Can quick effect on opponents turn. Wonder how that affect future game play. Would playing 2nd be better now or is going 1st still better.
I remember when Yu-Gi-Oh first started. Ah, those were simpler times. I’ve always wanted to get back into it but seeing this makes me not even want to do it.
As a Red Eyes player, this hurts me very badly Considering how almost every new yugioh card destroys my deck as it is because of how heavy everything is on negating or targeting graveyards these days😒 I think Red Eyes needs support to protect our graveyards and effects, Something Like this.... Red-Eyes Black kuriboh- (Dragon- dark- 1 star- effect) Atk 300 def 200 During your main or battle phase, if your opponent activates a monster effect (quick effect): you can discard this card from your hand to the GY, negate the monsters effect and if you do banish it. If a face up "Red Eyes" monster is destroyed by battle or card effect You can add this card from your graveyard to your hand. You can only use the effect of "Red Eyes Black Kuriboh" once per turn. Potential of the Red-Eyes (Continuous Spell) All "Red-Eyes" monsters special summoned from the GY gain 600atk/def. Once per turn; during your turn, you can target up to 2 monsters in your hand, deck, and/or banished zone with "Red-Eyes" in their name, send them to the GY; then gain 600 Lp for each monster sent to the GY this way. Red-Eyes Volcano -( kind of like Mausolem of white) new field spell (with artwork of a castle within a volcano environment)- Effect- "Red-Eyes" monsters in your graveyard are unaffected by your opponents card effects. As long as a "Red-Eyes" monster is face up on your field you can draw 1 card during your main phase 1. Increase the atk of all dark dragon monsters with "Red Eyes" in its title or card description by 300 and decrease the atk of all light dragon monsters with "Blue Eyes" in its title or card description by 300. You can banish this card from your GY: add 1 "inferno fire blast" from your deck or GY to your hand.
Jesus, we need a list asap. Konami, hurry up on this or you'll lose players. Also, let's not forgot how TELE DAD was one of the first tier zero formats
with tripple tactic tasking, all floodgates are gonna reach sky high in price. Flowandereeze? mask of restrict/summon limit. tearalements? non-fusion area. non-rank 1 decks? stygian dirge. Synchro-based? discord. Even eldlich? royal degree.
I think the deck could definitely be tier 0 but I do think that there are enough decks that can out it so I don't see it being anywhere near as bad as say spyral format and the format could still end up being fun
I don't know for you but something I do not like now is how new archetypes since maibe 3 years like tear, brigade, branded, bystial, dogma ... Can too easily be mix with a lot of decks even just in small engine. Lile the cards, the new spell who let you with near useless monsters on board, verte, union carrier and Halqifibrax who needed to be ban just because all decks can do too good combos/negates with 2 monsters... Because they are too generic and easy to use
Tier 0 does not start at 50%. It starts at roughly 65%-70%+ representation. Formats where a deck has 50% representation can still have the deck be considered tier 1 because there can still be multiple other decks that fit comparable representation. Think og 2019's TOSS format: Thunder Orcust Sky Striker Where Orcust had 50% ish representation consistently because of its ever-splashable engine via Knightmare Mermaid for the longest time, yet it was never a Tier 0 deck because Thunder Dragon and Sky Striker always represented anywhere 35%-40% each while tier2/rogue strats were roughly 5%-10% and on another note, no Dragon Rulers was not the last time players remembered Tier Zero. ZOODIAC was the most recent Tier Zero that people remember and the echoes of that format are STILL felt to this day seeing as how we still can't unban Broadbull or Drident. Also I don't think this needs to really be said since it's BLARINGLY obvious to ANYBODY who plays ompetitively, but Maxx C should NEVER be legal EVER. It overcentralizes deckbuilding FAR too much. In OCG it basically forces you to dedicate (at current) a MINIMUM of NINE deck slots to playing around it. 3 Ash, 3 Maxx C, 2 Called by the Grave, and 1 Crossout Designator. This leaves VERY little room for flex spots for MANY decks whose engines cannot afford that many spots.
Tear 0 = Broken Game. Konami does not care if the game is playable or not. They know card simps will by all the broken stuff and who cares about anything else
I find it crazy that you all expect and emergency banlist that bans cards that came out one or two sets ago. I could see limits but that's realistically it. I wish people were more excited for good cards and the other insane archetypes that are beginning to come out
Me and my friends trying every shitty Ishizu Variant because we can: Ishizu Infernoid (pls Konami bring back Monster Gate to 3) Ishizu Chaossworn (after Dragon Bann it's the best Mill okay?) Ishizu BA PK (believe me it works)
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**Also side note, when I'm talking about Floowandereeze, I mention using Rite of Aramesir with N'tss.
This is a mistake, I meant Ultimate Slayer.
Hand Trap Loli's have been tier 0 for literally a decade they see 100% representation in every cut because of their first archetype release card Ash Blossom and Winter Cherries and most people tend to side Ghost Ogre or some of the other HTL's (based on not just tournaments but online data for Master Duel, ygopro, and Dueling Book)
@@samw9906 tier 0 does not apply to staples but to decks. The usage rates can't be compared like that. Besides, hand traps seeing a lot of play is a good thing
Also neither Ash nor Cherries was the first one released (and Cherries sees Limited play), the first was Ogre
It's kind of funny how branded Fusion was balanced by locking you into Fusions for the entire turn then Along come tearalaments that just allow you to fuse with no restriction.
tear need gy setup and can lose to a lot of cards like shifter, dweller, crow, bystials...
@@VORTEX___ still better than branded that lose to single ash blossom
Yeah I agree I always thought it was funny that tears have insanely powerful fusions (almost moreso than Branded) and then just go ahead and summon abyss dweller or bahamut shark
the not as generic as you think 90% of fusion monsters can't be summoned via tearlaments card due to the fact a dark or water monster isn't in the requirement
@@VORTEX___ shifter is the only one that actually mattered from the ones you mentioned
50-60% of top cut is required for the deck to become tier zero
This deck went the step further and took 86%
65-70%*
TOSS format saw Orcust hit 60% representation with how many variants existed thanks to Knightmare Mermaid and it still never hit Tier Zero status as a deck because Thunder and Striker made up all but the last 5% of the pie chart back then.
People really acting like this is the first tier 0 deck ever. It's not the end times, all tier 0 decks get slapped down eventually.
I left the game in 2015 and so glad I did, I saved so much money 🤣. Game lost all its fun
funny thing is, both Dragon Rulers and Spellbooks were considered Tier 0 during their time, despite neither reaching 60% of the top cut, because they both kept each other in check
I feel like Ishizu finally got the respect she deserved 😂😂😂
People literally only "respect" her cause she's bae. Story and personality wise, very lackluster.
Pog, now release new Akiza support
@@four-en-tee Some actual good support
@@naughter3674 I respect her for scaring the shit out of kaiba lol
@@naughter3674 Red rose dragon was good, the problem is that it can't be too good or else other archetypes will abuse it and then it'll get banned because of an indirect hit to an unrelated archetype.
Great thing about being Master Duel player is that I learn about the OP decks and their counters way before they come out.
We TCG players feel the same way about the OCG 😀
- Adam
@@CardmarketYGO I'm sorry but nihongo muzukashii
It really doesn't work like that though. The metas and ban lists are completely different. For all you know the answer cards could get banned or limited to one on MD to make the new cards better and therefore more desirable. MD banlist is wack and nonsensical. How do you have Rhongo? Why is crossout at 1? Why is conq at 1? You can get sort of a read on what to do, but just the fact that max C exists in MD and not tcg wildly changes the decks power.
With the easy access to a wide variety of cards and decks in MD, it's only going to be a matter of time before someone finds a strat to shut them down. Plus, they struck the Adventure Engine upon its release, so they might hit a Tear card or two to keep it in check.
I will agree though, the ban list is wild in MD. I hate infinite negate boards more than anything. Hence why I've started running the Fiend Kaiju in my Live-Twin Unchained deck just in case I run into it.
@@Jessevibes crossout at 1 is because 5 handtrap negates is a bit much in a Bo1
at some point we're gonna get another huge list like at the end of toss format where they just hit EVERYTHING
Thank god Dinomorphia is okay at best this format.
I can't wait for them to hit Kashtira though. Like, Ishizu Tears is bad, but Kashtira is gonna be fucking aids as well after Photon Hypernova.
I played wave 1 kashtira atlocals against tear ishizu and other stuff the match upa weren't as bad as I thought still lost to tear ishizu but the sides mattered I lost to droll and ash in the side if handtraps voe. back jash is easy to stop I know since those are the games I lost to especially droll
I think the main problem is that it makes going first or second irrelevent. Oh, you are going first? Does not matter since I can do all kinds of things in your first turn and even force you to surrender in YOUR first turn. Even those birds need to wait until turn 3 to do whatever in the opponent's turn. This is the most distinct difference that tearalaments have from other top tier decks.
I remember OCG players saying they can do turn 0 winda but people don't even do that now because they can make stronger board lol
Also the biggert problem are the Ishizu cards you can ban Kitkallos and Teras would stop being so good, but the Ishizu cards works with everything that wants to mill, thos cards limit the card design to the point that Konami would need to think before releasing new cards that bennefit from Milling, so yeah i can see thet pretty much the whole archettye gets on the banlist like the Dragon Rulers.
To summon Rukallos they can use King of the Swamp to substitute the name. Kitkalos would be a good ban next list.
@@matthewbrady1562 Nah Kitkallos isn't goign to be ban next banlist maybe a limit i think is goign to be similar than in the OCG limit the Ishizu stuff, Perlereino or Kitakallos limit, also Tear without Kitkallos but whiot Ishizu still works fine, i mean you don't need top summon he rif you can mill like 15.
i think the tears are kind the issue, since bystal and kashtira were supposed to help beat tear and now tears are running them. tear just seems to be a stupidly adaptable type that kinda needs to be hit.
@@mikem0ke tear is not the issue. The issue is the ishuzu cards.
@@Andychiu845 how about BOTH?
One of the games problems is that it constantly keeps making the graveyard a viable resource to play from. This is like giving those decks a bunch of pot of greeds while letting you stab your dueling neighbor.
right and they aren't even zombie type which would at the very least make a bit of sense to use the GY
the problem is that with ishizu tears it is easy to play through interruption, the gy isn't the problem itself as there are many ways to stop cards in the gy nowadays
At this point every competitive yugioh deck is the mtg equivalent of a grixis deck with all mana costs removed.
@@sanninjiraiya MTG is irrelevant, Bad comparison.
@@itzYonko really rubbing those brain cells
I don’t play competitive yugioh but ishizu was always one of my favorite characters from the anime. Happy to see her getting some love!
Well, everybody hates her now.
@@doughbag2951 Just draw the out bro
Unfortunately, her archetype isn't really benefiting alot from this, it's just being abused by another more broken archetype.
@@realpatriot1769 like almost everything else released in the past just this time is a lot more clear cut.
@@doughbag2951 Why would anyone hate the character now?
if Ishizu can rock my world, she can rock the meta
In the end Maxx C was the hero we need but the one we dont deserve.
Ishizu Tears were tier 0 in the OCG too
We have mystic mine here though 🤣🤣🤣🤣......... 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Just no
@@sammydray5919 this is why we need mystic mine
@@ghetoknight7801 Mine doesn't do shit to tear, if anything they'll play it.
The problem with yugioh is they keep making new cards far more powerful than necessary to out do the previous cards which makes power creep ridiculous because Konami knows people will spend huge amount of money for the meta to play them competitively.
Everything after the release of Pendulum was ridiculous
I feel like you spend so much time learning a deck and investing in it, and it’s got a respectable spot on the tier list and by the time you finish the deck, it’s been crept out already 🙄
@@Shinde425 yet you keep buying product. The only clown here is you
@@masterflamewing234 hey, here’s a question, if I’m the only clown, then why are you watching this video?
@@newhumanoldbrain I don’t necessarily think that’s true, but I do think dracopal/Pepe was a real turning point, it was the first time a deck could consistently pump out multiple Omni-negates with a lot of firepower still ready, full power Pepe would get smacked today, but before that the most powerful pen decks were qli and metalfoes, one makes a fusion on the opponent’s turn for 1 disruption that takes multiple cards, the other goes search get big monster flip floodgate, nothing like today, duelist alliance was the last slower era
I really have the feeling that since the release of Spright and Tear, Konami do not know what they are doing, they do not know how their game works and they are totally unaware of the actual game state. In less than a year, the powercreep of the game has just gone so wild it makes no sense...
they want the powercreep, all of the new decks have it starting with spright and tear
@@zachjohnson3137 purery?
Do you guys think this might have something to do with the passing of Kazuki Takahashi? It seems that decks since then have been way too powerful
Well Konami is learning to less the amount of negates a archtype have
pot of greed will be unlimited in 2024 cause of powercreep lmaooo
As a Blue Eyes player I can play against Spright, Adventure, Branded, Crystal Beast, Eldich but with Tearalaments I LITERALLY can’t do anything
A fellow blue eyes player I salute thee
I still can't believe they banned Chaos Ruler only to release this shit next month...bruh
It would have only added to the clown show that is this new format.
ill never forgive them for getting CR banned
I think the number tears shed this format are going to be a lot more then zero
Yeah yeah the same old story: “we have the outs”.
Let’s be clear, in a format where called by and crossout are a thing they even outnumber (x4) the chances to see shifter (x3).
And if you are forced to play cards as mannequin cat and the Egyptian statue as floodgates in order to slowdown tear - ishizu, I’d say it’s bad news (and do not forget, the mannequin cat exploit works going first and tear could have the HTs to shut it down nonetheless).
Let’s see how YCS Dortmund plays out, I see an emergency banlist dropping in a month.
Me, and the other Tear players all swore to our locals that we would only playtest it, but not play ishizu tear in locals.
I would too if the Shifter players swore not to shifter anymore :D
@@quadraticeqasians5362 you'll have to pry these shifters out of my cold, dead hands
@@kanetsugu21 Jokes on you, i just play Lancea. My BA deck needs it.
I've been playing since 2003 and have always sat out the tier zero formats. Looks like I get to take a break again lol. Ah well, I'll have a lot more fun playing goat and Edison with my buddies at the shop who are also sick of the format
For me, Tier 0 is always referred to as a strategy/deck that can be beaten by the same strategy/deck
I think you're missing an "only" in there somewhere, every deck can be beaten by itself but very, very few decks had the mirror match as their worst matchup.
@@so0meone ah, you're not wrong here!
Fast forward to present day. YCS, turn one happened, and we got our first witness for a long time of "Chain Link 10" getting used.
I remember when people complained that games only took 2 turns and the player going first was often able to put 5+ negates and/or floodgates. We now have a format that has back and forth, few negates and both players get to play, and people still complain.
I think it's because people don't like they don't own their own turn.
The funny thing is, we haven't owned our turn since as far back as around 2017 or 2018. Even rogue going first decks could combo off on the going second player's turn, and going second players had handtraps, which while not as impactful as being allowed to combo on your opponent's turn, still made it so going first players no longer had _full_ authority going first, only most of it.
I honestly don't know why people are so surprised, we were headed this way for a looooong while now.
@@aliesterus1.023 realistically speaking the best offence is a good def-
ahem sorry
the best offence is preventing your opponent from playing
and whoever cockblocks there opponent the best wins
and if it's a near close match. both parties end up feeling satisfied
but if it's smthn like, idkkkk full power dragon links vs pure mayakashis
yeaaaaaaah overwhelming defeat is tragic
I'm just tired of tearlaments, bro...
They're so boring to play and play against :(
I would rather have a game with floodgates than a game with only one viable archetype for winning.
A full set of Dark Ruler No More and Cosmic Cyclone, that deals with the problems you mentioned, would cost around 15 dollars. The Tear field spell is 80. I would rather have a format I can solve for 15 than a format where I need three 80 dollar field spells.
Ishizu tear mirrors are long and contain more decisions than any other matchup in yugioh which is mentally exhausting, which will make players perform worse as swiss progresses. I suspect we will we a lot more comfort picks in top cut than people expect simply for this reason, it doesn't matter if your deck is better on paper if you negate at the wrong time or call your chain links wrong after a weird mill.
good luck in non-doing X-3 drop playing a non-tear deck.
Anything below tears Turbo is going to either barely make it so that only it or the same speed x power can match it otherwise yours good as dead.
Nah good opponents will call judges on people who resolve chains slow
Tell me you haven't played any other card game that lasts more than 3 turns without tell me you haven't played them.
i love Powercreep... this game is getting betteer and better at every extension....
New to the channel Yu gi oh, man just brings so much memories of my childhood, and seeing this back made my day tq
Commander looks fun. I should try to find a group to play with.
I'm so glad that Yu-Gi-Oh is literally killing off all the fun in the game by constantly making cards ever more broken. The worst part is the power creep isn't even gradual. There are so many archetypes that are becoming absolutely unplayable even from just a few years ago.
Literally from even a few sets before. Archetypes from a few sets before POTE became powercrept in less than a year, wild.
You could say that this news leave me in.... TEARS.
“These Ishizu cards will break the game!”
Implying the game wasn’t broken beyond repair at this point to begin with….
Tear will be nothing by the summer
personally for me mostly knowing about Tier 0 from videos rather then Dragon Rulers it's TeleDAD and Zoodiac which I think of when it comes to Tier 0 as well as Gladiator Beasts with Guyzarus.
TeleDAD had horror stories made about it
What about Spyral format?
@@sirspookybones1118 Spyral format gets mentioned but not quite as much as TeleDAD and Zoodiacs. I only started really paying attention to Yugioh's competitive scene in April 2020 so while some of the videos showed the craziness that was enabled by Master Plan with Magician's Soul for whatever reason the Double Helix tier 0 stuff wasn't talked about as much.
@@sirspookybones1118 Spyral format didn't last anywhere near as long as TeleDAD or Zoodiacs.
I still think Drident should be unbanned, but that's just me. Zoodiac Tri-Brigade would only be tier 2 at best. Although, if we did get a nuclear banlist in the future, that would cause issues. Its just that right now I think Drident wouldn't do shit to the format (even pre-Ishizu).
@@four-en-tee Master Duel has Drident at 1 and it isnt overbearing at all. It could perfectly go to 1 in the TCG and it wouldn't make that much of a difference since the real power cards of Zoodiacs are Ratpier and Broadbull
As an ABC player, it saddens me that Union Carrier is banned
I'm just hyped for the Witchcrafter cards ngl
Ishizu is the best Yugi-waifu, fight me
Those banish shuffles are game breaking. I'm thinking of so many tasty ways to use them.
They are GY shuffles, I misspoke unfortunately.
- Adam
Nice video, thank you a lot for the information, and greetings from México
Ok, part of the problem is that Konami didn't hit any Tear cards in the last ban-list, and the next ban-list is probably a while away (if Tear is bad enough we might get an emergency ban-list, but there's no guarantee).
THIS is going to be a problem until probably mid January, and its not going to be fun.
Not only that but there are no other sets or cards on the horizon that look like they can stop Tear. Crystal Revenge doesn't have any new meta cards, Structure Deck Dark World doesn't have any new meta cards, Amazing Defenders doesn't have any new meta cards. The next three releases, do not have anything that can stop Tear. The next big TCG release is Photon Hypernova in February.
Waiting 4 months for the meta to change isn't good enough. Ironically the only thing that might, MIGHT save us is the possibility of a Master Rule 6 announcement in December thus completely reshaping the meta. Until then, November is going to suck.
not to mention that the singular deck capable of standing up to post PHHY tears are kashtira, an arguably even more annoying deck to fight against.
also not to mention that kashtira existing is what will make post PHHY tears even worse since a handful of the kashtira cards other than the obvious tearalaments kashtira can be played in a tear strategy, like ariseheart (which is a fucking macro cosmos on legs).
Adam going goblin mode about tearlaments and ishizu cards like Charlie from IASIP talking about the mail
And with good reason this is a fucking conspiracy
Love you Adam hope to keep you in my feed
I miss when LS was the only good self mill deck. It made the deck so unique.
And it fit their lore so well
Dimension Shifter will be a lovely card to run.
Orange light, called by, crossout…
do I have to keep going?
I'm glad I slinked away to digimon even if we have to deal with our own power creep, even if any good deck has tools to fight back against the meta.
Plus they hit problem cards VERY FAST.
@@RinaShinomiyaVal I'm honestly surprised how quick Shoutmon X4 was hit
Cool, i'm just gonna keep playing Thunder Dragon Shaddoll Tears like the based gamer I am.
Although, Dino Burning Abyss is more of my jam. Cicada King + Rexterm is a pretty good turn 1 board.
Konami: makes broken boss monsters
Konami: sells those broken cards in blind packs so more people buy cards
Konami: has to ban/limit broken boss monsters because too many people use them
It's a loop that has existed since the first forbidden/limited list. This will happen as long as you play Yugioh. Power creep will be a thing. How do you beat hand-traps? Deck-traps? A card that allows itself to be searched if it even exists in your deck?
So, charmers but better?
@@darkdave1998 something that reads "if you normal or special summon summon '[archetype]', special summon this card from your hand, deck, or GY. Then do some other nonsense."
Believe it or not but I think crystal beast x necrovaly might be pretty good against tearalaments
i belive you :) its a decent counter ^^
I can understand necrovalley but how does crystal beast fit in? Did they get new support? Or some unique interaction?
never have I EVER even imagined the words "crystal beasts x necrovalley is a counter to [tier 0 anything]
@@sammydray5919 bridge of salvation lets them search any field spell
@@ritviktrehan_ygo3536 ohhhhhh......
This reminds me of the Nekroz T0 era, Im scared for this game now
I feel like people tend to not understand that Mystic Mine is a very key card in holding back decks like this. While the OCG has Maxx C, we're maintaining Mystic Mine. I'm firmly of the belief that without Mine, we're going to be in for a run of Tier 0 Formats, just like the OCG was.
Yeah Tier field spell will just destroy mine
How about banning broken cards instead of keeping Mine around, which will only promote stalling in tournaments?
At the end of the day Mine is just another floodgate, which we don't need more of. I'd rather have Maxx C than this trash
@@davemarinas3259 Yep, its amazing how theres a format where mystic mine isnt even broken anymore. Tells us how fast things have gone, although tbf, last format it wasnt great anyways
Tearelaments outs mystic mine consistently though
Oh no! Anyway...
Its worth noting as well that Mine is banned in the OCG. As much as I hate Mystic Mine, we kinda need it this format until a nuclear sized ban list is able to drop.
It won't change the fact that this deck is gonna be tier 0, but it does mean that the counter play this format is going to be aids. It kinda has to be, remember that people thought Magical Scientist FTK back in the day was the only deck that could keep up with Chaos Control.
Poor zolga the prothet is part of the ishizu deck but is forgotten by everyone
So they made new cards that revolve around manipulating graveyard...... In a format where the best deck 's main gimmick is milling and activating said effects........ I know they wanna sell new cards but seriously wtf Konami 😑😑😑
I think initially they wanted to turn unplayable gimmicky pseudo ftk card (exchange of the spirit) into a cohesive strategy. That's why they gave new retrains all these crazy mill effects, but they either forgot forgot what year we live in or had poor communication with other design teams and didn't put any restrictions on those cards.
@@kindlingking You give two possible reasons that does not suggest any possibility that they knew what they were doing.
They plan these Cards ahead. Their knew what they were doing. There was no miscommunication or lapse in memory
Come on now. It's one thing when you have cards over a decade old. But the ishizu cards came out after tear.
Don't give them a pass
Appreciate the Fog King cameo
I fog-king love Fog King!
- Adam
@@CardmarketYGO
I always side it when playing at regionals.
The spectators to these games are gonna be bored to Tears.
i love how the consensus in diviner and herald of orange should go to keep these cards my belief screw there money if there become an issue the next list needs to hit them.
And they did. And broke Master Duel since they came out before Tearlaments. Even Ishizu would fear what these cards have become.
Guess it's time for 40 card Banish the GY pile Gren Maju beats. Now, where did I put my Mask 5 Mask Change cards, I'm gonna really need Dark Law.
If this is coming down the road, they should allow powerful cards of other archetypes to return to see if it can compete eg Protos in Swordsoul, Block Dragon in Adamancipator etc. They won't however as it earns them nothing.
If they were smart, they'd unban them and then reprint them in high rarities. That would feel like a win for them and a win for the community. Pay me, Konami
unban VFD hehe
@@cipherwing4211 Unlock the Shock you cowards lol
Itll be pretty interesting to see, but block dragon might not be as strong as it was before. Ishizu can just shuffle it back into the deck before you get a chance to even use block dragon.
Oh nice ....I apperantly seem to have lived in an other era of tier 0
"in another"
btw what was the last tier 0 deck? I can't recall anything recent being considered tier 0, like what, spyrals? dragon links with pesty?
@@ghetoknight7801 SPYRAL and PePe
Great video to watch.. hopefully we will get a rematch from the ncg event and I don’t eradicator you for 5..
Heres hoping, first time getting Eradicated for my whole hand! 😅
- Adam
@@CardmarketYGO eradicator cherries is a good combo vs sprightly haha
Didn’t realise it was yourself until after the event
Fun fact for all people calling for ishizu's cards ban or limitation, they are limited/ban in OCG, and Tear still a tier 0 without using ishizu's cards, and even against a deck purposely made to counter them named Kashtira, and with it's full power. Tear is just the biggest horror of game design that I saw in YEARS, still wondering how someone came up with this archetype idea and thought "Hey that will be a great addition to our game !".
They released these to spite the players who didn't play dragoon when it flopped in the tcg lol
That might be the case lol
Ima prob take a vacation to duel links until this blows over😂
Ronin toadin died for nothing, hopefully it will come back.
no, fuck toads.
🐸➡❌❌💩❌❌
It will never come back as long as substitutoad and sprite exists to create very easy FTK shenanigans plus your roadintoadin isn't a hard once per turn either. So for that reason it's staying in ban jail forever
Let me tell ya your more energetic movements in this video makes it much more fun to watch I'll tell ya that
Imagine a reboot anime with all this retrains...
This highlights the need for Yugioh to have set rotation similar MTG
Tear got finally a shutdown and it’s still good even after the heavy nerfs. Now we have to face kashtira and let’s hope we are all winning the dice match to go first!
My turn taking 15 minutes because my opponent is still playing their turn during it sure is fun....love going to time 90% of the time.
They need to do emergency banlist
Me, with my Cyber Dragon deck focused on beating down shit till it cannot get up: **Chuckles** I'm in danger!
Teir Teir 0 here we goooooo
Shifter *laughs a heroic laugh*
Ishizu Tear is oppressive.
Just had a local (because they allowed us to play with them) with Tear Ishizu, results:
Flunder opens Shifter, you open Orange light.
Pure Tenyi somehow got 2-2 in the event, but your not the reason.
Spright can give them a head ache when going first….when going first.
Sky Striker has a bad time if your opponent can just quick effect your Kagari target alongside your Raye into the Deck.
Yeah……good luck with anything not Tears.
personally i think the tear cards themselves are fine it's just like spright. the ishizu cards and elf and sprind are the issues. ronin and toad banned in respect formats one in the tcg one in the ocg due to the sins of elf and the future release of sprind
Honestly, the deck works fine by itself. Like it’s broken in a pure build.
I’d say Pepe was the most tier 0 deck for its time. Needed an emergency ban list. Was insane for its time.
Pepe was genuinely a joke, and I played back when teleDAD was ruining lives. Pepe was broken beyond belief.
@@bonjouritsready Yeah, I agree. Got to a 1300 rating with pepe on Dueling Network. Fourth highest DN rating I ever got.
Well no shit; this is what happens when you have to keep scaling up power wise for the game.
It looks like I might need to consider looking into building a different variant to my destiny hero deck that includes guys like dark law. I guess a dark hero turbo? No GY, no on-field monster effects, a OPT targeted pop, and more. Sounds like I can make tear shed tears. Hehe lol.
And also to add on archetypal combo handtraps since bystial and one of the Tear mons Harvis(?) Can quick effect on opponents turn. Wonder how that affect future game play. Would playing 2nd be better now or is going 1st still better.
So powercrept lightsworn... cool....
lightsworn on steroids
But could inshizu tearlaments call for an emergency banlist which hasn't been done since PEPE was at full power
This is a certified Mezuki classic
I remember when Yu-Gi-Oh first started. Ah, those were simpler times. I’ve always wanted to get back into it but seeing this makes me not even want to do it.
everything before pendel was simple imo
"But without Maxx C, how can the TCG keep this deck in check?"
[Brazilian National Anthem begins playing in the distance]
As a Red Eyes player, this hurts me very badly
Considering how almost every new yugioh card destroys my deck as it is because of how heavy everything is on negating or targeting graveyards these days😒
I think Red Eyes needs support to protect our graveyards and effects, Something Like this....
Red-Eyes Black kuriboh-
(Dragon- dark- 1 star- effect)
Atk 300 def 200
During your main or battle phase, if your opponent activates a monster effect (quick effect): you can discard this card from your hand to the GY, negate the monsters effect and if you do banish it. If a face up "Red Eyes" monster is destroyed by battle or card effect You can add this card from your graveyard to your hand. You can only use the effect of "Red Eyes Black Kuriboh" once per turn.
Potential of the Red-Eyes
(Continuous Spell)
All "Red-Eyes" monsters special summoned from the GY gain 600atk/def. Once per turn; during your turn, you can target up to 2 monsters in your hand, deck, and/or banished zone with "Red-Eyes" in their name, send them to the GY; then gain 600 Lp for each monster sent to the GY this way.
Red-Eyes Volcano -( kind of like Mausolem of white) new field spell (with artwork of a castle within a volcano environment)-
Effect- "Red-Eyes" monsters in your graveyard are unaffected by your opponents card effects. As long as a "Red-Eyes" monster is face up on your field you can draw 1 card during your main phase 1. Increase the atk of all dark dragon monsters with "Red Eyes" in its title or card description by 300 and decrease the atk of all light dragon monsters with "Blue Eyes" in its title or card description by 300. You can banish this card from your GY: add 1 "inferno fire blast" from your deck or GY to your hand.
Dice Rolls win games, amazing skillz
Jesus, we need a list asap. Konami, hurry up on this or you'll lose players. Also, let's not forgot how TELE DAD was one of the first tier zero formats
Ishizu Naturia best deck bayBEEEE 😎
That's cool, bro. Anyway, effect of Destroyer?
with tripple tactic tasking, all floodgates are gonna reach sky high in price. Flowandereeze? mask of restrict/summon limit. tearalements? non-fusion area. non-rank 1 decks? stygian dirge. Synchro-based? discord. Even eldlich? royal degree.
triple tactic tasking can't search any of those
@@tsukamesuccess7332 my bad, i thought it was for any spell/trap.
So they make cards like Tears and Ishizu cards yet Plushfire is still banned? Wtf
Well… its funny that in the OCG, theyre dropping the Ishizu engine and going straight to pure Kash/Tear build
Mans i just wanna use tears to try a new Skull Servant engine
I think the deck could definitely be tier 0 but I do think that there are enough decks that can out it so I don't see it being anywhere near as bad as say spyral format and the format could still end up being fun
I don't know for you but something I do not like now is how new archetypes since maibe 3 years like tear, brigade, branded, bystial, dogma ... Can too easily be mix with a lot of decks even just in small engine.
Lile the cards, the new spell who let you with near useless monsters on board, verte, union carrier and Halqifibrax who needed to be ban just because all decks can do too good combos/negates with 2 monsters... Because they are too generic and easy to use
ishizu is also tear 0 topic for yugitubers right now^^
Tier 0 does not start at 50%. It starts at roughly 65%-70%+ representation.
Formats where a deck has 50% representation can still have the deck be considered tier 1 because there can still be multiple other decks that fit comparable representation. Think og 2019's TOSS format:
Thunder
Orcust
Sky Striker
Where Orcust had 50% ish representation consistently because of its ever-splashable engine via Knightmare Mermaid for the longest time, yet it was never a Tier 0 deck because Thunder Dragon and Sky Striker always represented anywhere 35%-40% each while tier2/rogue strats were roughly 5%-10%
and on another note, no Dragon Rulers was not the last time players remembered Tier Zero. ZOODIAC was the most recent Tier Zero that people remember and the echoes of that format are STILL felt to this day seeing as how we still can't unban Broadbull or Drident.
Also I don't think this needs to really be said since it's BLARINGLY obvious to ANYBODY who plays ompetitively, but Maxx C should NEVER be legal EVER. It overcentralizes deckbuilding FAR too much. In OCG it basically forces you to dedicate (at current) a MINIMUM of NINE deck slots to playing around it. 3 Ash, 3 Maxx C, 2 Called by the Grave, and 1 Crossout Designator. This leaves VERY little room for flex spots for MANY decks whose engines cannot afford that many spots.
Tear 0 = Broken Game. Konami does not care if the game is playable or not. They know card simps will by all the broken stuff and who cares about anything else
Tears would not been able to abuse ishuzu cards if tear cards are ONLY triggered by a tear card, and locks to only summoning tears.
SHAMBLES YOU SAY?
And how is competitive holding up?
SHAMBLES YOU SAY?
I find it crazy that you all expect and emergency banlist that bans cards that came out one or two sets ago. I could see limits but that's realistically it. I wish people were more excited for good cards and the other insane archetypes that are beginning to come out
Me and my friends trying every shitty Ishizu Variant because we can:
Ishizu Infernoid (pls Konami bring back Monster Gate to 3)
Ishizu Chaossworn (after Dragon Bann it's the best Mill okay?)
Ishizu BA PK (believe me it works)
I forgot to mention Ishizu Fusion Pile... This is the most interactive one... Yay
try Ishizu vernuslpyh, they work together since they love earth monsters in the grave
@@DarkSymphony777 nah. we didnt liked the obvious choice so we went with those. and my personal favourite in Orcust Ishizu
@@arukorubasuke that's fine. i prefer creativity and fun. vernuslyph may not be meta, but they are fun to mess with
Counter fairies Ishuzu?