The Dukes Of September - Kid Charlemagne (REACTION)

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  • @JennLynnTarot
    @JennLynnTarot 3 місяці тому +4

    I love how the audience sings back to him "Yes there's gas in the carrrrrr" 🤣🔥💓

  • @salmuscles
    @salmuscles Рік тому +16

    John Herrington on lead guitar...he plays with steely Dan when they tour ..

  • @jwoodard29
    @jwoodard29 Рік тому +22

    The entire concert is superb, with very high quality video and audio.

  • @kerrycronin3581
    @kerrycronin3581 Рік тому +11

    Boz Scaggs is my favorite artist. I saw these guys in Boston a few years ago. It was an amazing show. Loved it and had an absolutely fantastic time.

  • @paullacroix527
    @paullacroix527 Рік тому +4

    Saw The Dukes about 10yrs ago in Toronto. I'll never forget it.

  • @827dusty
    @827dusty Рік тому +12

    These guys are in their mid 70s, and so I give them a ton of credit for still having really good vocals at their age. The voice is the first to go, but they sound damn good considering their age.
    Thanks guys

  • @nickrizzi4927
    @nickrizzi4927 Рік тому +5

    Every soul on that stage is world class talent!

  • @jml-rj5re
    @jml-rj5re Рік тому +3

    35 years later and still GREAT!

  • @billschafer9668
    @billschafer9668 Рік тому +4

    The guitarist other than Boz is Jon Herington who has been with Steely Dan since 2000 on tour as well as in studio. Also check VH1 Storytellers video from 2000. Really good live with Donald Fagen, Walter Becker, Jon Herington, a variety of additional musicians and some hot backup singers.

  • @brandonboucher7090
    @brandonboucher7090 7 місяців тому +2

    The originals on leads are everything about it…amazing how they captured it perfectly on record

  • @1carlakf
    @1carlakf Рік тому +3

    Saw them live twice in this era and both shows were absolutely amazing. MM was in one show. They added one more background singer in the other. Donald Fagen is a work horse. I predict they tour again in the near future. Be sure and go see them because it might be your last opportunity. They pick super cool venues too.

  • @jenniferandrews1917
    @jenniferandrews1917 Рік тому +2

    What a supernatural show! ❤️

  • @Allright21
    @Allright21 Рік тому +3

    Love watching your reactions to Steely Dan!

  • @hypno59
    @hypno59 Рік тому +4

    Modern day Mozart at the piano....Donald... singing like he were 30

  • @1957PLATO
    @1957PLATO Рік тому +2

    Legends of the late seventies. All 3 of them.

  • @metaphoria3
    @metaphoria3 Рік тому +1

    The every A frame had your # , the gas in the car, technicolor motorhome , still an outlaw in their eyes so many memorable lines

  • @joelliebler5690
    @joelliebler5690 Рік тому +4

    So great hearing these legends playing live together!

  • @TheDivayenta
    @TheDivayenta Рік тому +8

    Great taste as always, fellas!!! This was a PBS concert- the whole show is great! They also do Michael and Boz songs.
    Mike’s doing that bouncy , jive piano thing and Don’s doing the lead riffs.

  • @lisarainbow9703
    @lisarainbow9703 Рік тому +10

    Highly recommend checking out "FM" by Steely Dan, for another great funk groove..
    It was never on an album, it was used for a movie, but it's easy to find on UA-cam. Insane chord progressions...

  • @mikebozik
    @mikebozik Рік тому +9

    One could say, listening to Steely Dan is like taking a Master Class... and paying attention. I think you are! Enjoying music is one thing, appreciating it is another. This is some deep s***.

  • @markcosenza3274
    @markcosenza3274 Рік тому +4

    That's a stage full of amazing talent.

  • @steved525
    @steved525 Рік тому +5

    I glad that you checked out The Dukes of September and that you enjoyed this version...35 years after Kid C was originally recorded and the song sounds amazing. The Dukes toured for about 2 years (circa 2010-2012) so many great songs to check out as they performed each other's hits during these shows. Fantastic!

  • @MrDirty-if7gc
    @MrDirty-if7gc Рік тому +6

    It has been so much fun watching you guys and your genuine enthusiasm for exploring good music has me checking my notification daily for more uploads.

  • @jimcole9751
    @jimcole9751 Рік тому +1

    A lot of the Dan band is in this video and in the Dukes of September

  • @metaphoria3
    @metaphoria3 Рік тому +2

    That lyric ‘just by chance u crossed the diamond with the pearl you turned it on the world thats when you turned the world around’ is up there

  • @kbrewski1
    @kbrewski1 Рік тому +2

    I saw a Dukes show in person.
    The minute I heard they were doing this 3 headed monster with a full backing band (most of which were the Steely Dan band), I was in and made sure I got a good close seat. Fantastic show. I thought I had never seen Boz Scaggs live, but later I remembered that I had seen Skaggs at the 1992 New York Rock and Soul Revue Tour, which not only led to the live rebirth of Steely Dan in 1993, but was really the precursor to the Dukes of September, since McDonald also was on the Soul Revue! It was very cool to see Boz again and hear his tunes done live after about 25 yesrs!
    I have seen SD over 20 times, and saw Fagen and the Nightflyers Band twice, have seen the Doobie Brothers several times, including the tour Steely Dan and the Doobies did w McDonald, so already had seen them play together. Amazing how well all the music sounded, just a great tight jazzy funky rock show. I have the Blu Ray too, a great souvenir of the show.
    Oh, and Micheal McDonald is from my hometown, ol St Lou! (Home of Chuck Berry, the REAL KING 🤴 OF ROCK AND ROLL!)

  • @jonnygaruda
    @jonnygaruda Рік тому +12

    Hey You Guys! I love how you are discovering and appreciating Steely Dan. That music was all coming out in my high school years and pretty much formed my expectations of what good music should sound like. I've never stopped listening to them for over 40 years! I also love how you are so into the production side of things. That whole "Making of Aja" video is worth going through song by song. You'll even hear Donald Fagan do his "Uptown baby, uptown baby!" when they are talking about Black Cow! The Dukes of September project was a great way to feature Fagan, MacDonald and Skaggs all playing on and appreciating each others' songs. Their live version of "Pretzel Logic" is to die for! Especially, Michael MacDonald's verse.
    There are a couple other great UA-cam videos talking giving background into Steely Dan and their music. You might really like listening and reacting to them. "Steely Dan: More than Just Band" gives a great history of the project from the beginning until the Gaucho Album. ua-cam.com/video/SjXB894CZnM/v-deo.html "How Steely Dan Composes a Song," gives a great breakdown of how Deacon Blues was put together. ua-cam.com/video/vSDD8rgUiNc/v-deo.html And, Rick Beato's "What Makes This Song Great" series goes into the ins and outs of Kid Charlemagne: ua-cam.com/video/xKIC9zbSJoE/v-deo.html All 3 vids are worth the time of anyone who loves Steely Dan and wants to keep digging deeper and deeper down their never ending rabbit hole.
    One more thing, I remember when they finally released the album "Two Against Nature" after a 20 year hiatus. I was so nervous that it just wouldn't live up to the perfection of their previous albums. But, they came back without skipping a beat and won another Grammy for the song "Cousin Dupree." And Donald Fagan's 3 solo albums are also perfection, especilly "The Nightfly," in my opinion. So, there's no end of music for you guys to delve into.
    It's fun to watch you hearing it for the first time. It's like taking a friend sight seeing, you notice new things as you watch someone else discover it for the first time. Even though I've heard these songs thousands of times, I hear new things listening through your ears. So, keep it up!

    • @kbrewski1
      @kbrewski1 Рік тому +2

      There are certain bands I never get tired of listening to or get burned out on, and Steely Dan is one of them since I first heard Reelin and Do it Again in the early 70s on the radio, and by 75 I had all the albums to that point. Aja came out my senior year in HS and I played it to death in college.
      When I saw Fagen, Becker, McDonald and Scaggs at the 92 Rock and Soul Revue show, I couldn't believe I was hearing SD songs live. And then the 93 tour, went with a big group of old HS buddies who were all SD fans. Then I became spoiled for the next almost 30 years!......

  • @andreweng1569
    @andreweng1569 Рік тому +1

    The background singers and some horn players are also in Steely Dan touring band

  • @BonniePicc
    @BonniePicc 3 місяці тому +1

    Omg. What a treat!!

  • @Michael-Philip
    @Michael-Philip Рік тому +4

    Steely Dan didn't play live back in the 70s they were just a studio band.

  • @jenniferbabros1985
    @jenniferbabros1985 Рік тому +1

    I've never seen this..thanks

  • @markharbin9945
    @markharbin9945 2 місяці тому +1

    Love it I've watched this reaction at least 3 times 😮

  • @maine420grow
    @maine420grow Рік тому +2

    One thing you guys should know about SD is that their albums were amazing partly because they spent so much time in the studio they didn't tour much. Good luck finding tons of stuff from them live from the 70s.

  • @TheRenniesantiago
    @TheRenniesantiago Рік тому +1

    Santana soul sacrifice live at Woodstock 1969 crazy crazy percussion and drums will blow your mind!!!!

  • @hypno59
    @hypno59 Рік тому +2

    Please check out "Nightfly" by Donald Fagen... the other great Album of the time. I'd love you to respond.

  • @SD-it9ne
    @SD-it9ne Рік тому +1

    You said "I don't know what's happening right now" 😄 That's what happens when more than one great is on the stage at the same time. I love your reactions. Steeley Dan is one of my favorites too. And Michael McDonald is blue-eyed soul royalty!

  • @babylonsister118
    @babylonsister118 Рік тому +2

    So glad you have gotten to see them live on this video, tho'!

  • @danielmccann8325
    @danielmccann8325 Рік тому +2

    Can you believe Donald at one time did not want tour because they were not sure how things would sound live. Sounds pretty darn great to me!

    • @kbrewski1
      @kbrewski1 Рік тому +1

      That was because back in the early 70s when the original band toured, the sound systems at arenas and old halls were still pretty lousy, and he's a perfectionist. Their studio sound as it grew to incorporate more brass etc was way ahead of their live sound. That's why they stopped live touring after 1974. They couldn't duplicate that sound like he wanted back then with musicians beyond the 5 of them.

  • @ronaldelliott4373
    @ronaldelliott4373 Рік тому +3

    This concert was Top Shelf. All of “the usual suspects” were on fire that night. Checkout the whole show. Takes me back to when contemporary music was worth the time.

  • @gernblanston5697
    @gernblanston5697 Рік тому +2

    Since Steely Dan started touring a lot in the early 2000s, I have seen them twenty or so times. Go get the videos of the live performances. The band will blow you away every time, every time.

  • @masapell
    @masapell Рік тому +2

    That drummer smacked the crap out of those drums! Man did he lay it down!

    • @AirplayBeats
      @AirplayBeats  Рік тому +2

      He sure did

    • @kbrewski1
      @kbrewski1 Рік тому +1

      Keith Carlock. Probably the best live drummer the Dan has had since the 70s album days. Although they've never had a mediocre drummer.

  • @cindyp1033
    @cindyp1033 Рік тому +1

    Excellent 🔥

  • @olly8
    @olly8 Рік тому +1

    WOW!! What a line up of TALENT!! Never saw this, THANKS FOR POSTING such a VARIETY and Educating some of us to wider range of music. I love my Era but appreciate hearing MORE+MORE of what I can ENJOY besides mainly one groove.👏👏👏👏😉

    • @TheDivayenta
      @TheDivayenta 2 місяці тому +1

      Watch the whole show!

    • @olly8
      @olly8 2 місяці тому

      @@TheDivayentaI will! Just added it to my playlist 👍🏼

  • @metaphoria3
    @metaphoria3 Рік тому +2

    The fact he expanded on maybe the greatest solo of all time is absurdly dope

  • @metaphoria3
    @metaphoria3 Рік тому

    That guitar performance is there too dayyyumn

  • @leec5170
    @leec5170 Рік тому +1

    You guys are cool. I love this, too. And Katie Lied, and My Old School. Steely Dan was the soundtrack of my youth.

  • @zwieseler
    @zwieseler Рік тому

    Never heard of the Dukes. Fantastic.

  • @joejoesguitarinventions
    @joejoesguitarinventions Рік тому

    the day.... the day... 🎹🎹💥💥

  • @chudwickmt
    @chudwickmt 11 місяців тому +1

    Dream Team.

  • @janishaldeman3339
    @janishaldeman3339 Рік тому +1

    Enjoying your discovery process. Falling in love with Steely Dan all over again. Have you researched the name of the band yet? :) Don't forget Pretzel Logic, and then take a dive into the Night Fly - Donald Fagan less Walter Becker. That album should be in every music lover's catalogue.

  • @realbser1956
    @realbser1956 Рік тому +3

    New sub here. Love your discovery of SD and other great music. These same three guys, Donald, Michael, Boz together with Phoebe Snow performed together as the New York Rock and Soul Review for a live show at the Beacon Theater in NY. That was a great show with everyone’s music being performed as well as other music. It should be on YT. Great job guys.

    • @kbrewski1
      @kbrewski1 Рік тому

      They did a whole Tour 2 years in a row, not just 1 show. Saw them in the Lou.

  • @Spazzmatazzz
    @Spazzmatazzz Рік тому +1

    New subscriber and the only way I found you was I searched for Steely Dan reactions and there you were!
    Watching you go through their catalog has been a lot of fun and I can't wait for more.
    Awesome video. Awesome reaction.

  • @briangray00
    @briangray00 Рік тому +1

    This is ace of course. It's a great concert; you'll love Lowdown a lot too.

  • @dylanholzhauer8290
    @dylanholzhauer8290 10 місяців тому

    Steely Dans live album “Alive in America” is a must listen

  • @marrk369
    @marrk369 Рік тому +1

    So good. Just saw Steely Dan in June in Houston. Always great live. You should also check out DF’s solo work. I think you would like.

  • @tonyfleck3029
    @tonyfleck3029 Рік тому

    Just gotta be my Favourite song about dropping Acid, What can I possibly say?
    Great times!!!..

  • @seangoodbody1693
    @seangoodbody1693 Рік тому

    I don't know if this is already in the comments somewhere but y'all and I are about the same age and I absolutely love that this song is about the guy who invented acid.

  • @markburnham7512
    @markburnham7512 Рік тому

    Jon Herrington on lead guitar for these sessions. I recall seeing an early version of the touring band back in the 90s featuring Drew Zingg on guitar. Some great solos for these songs, notably the best solo on Pretzel Logic, bar none. Drew also toured with Boz Scaggs around that time, always ripping Lend Me a Dime to shreds. Worthwhile to check Drew out.

  • @paulpochan9631
    @paulpochan9631 11 місяців тому

    John Herrington on guitar with Becker and Boz....

  • @bobburroughs6241
    @bobburroughs6241 Рік тому

    The voices on the wane, but brilliant! Guitarist Jon Herrington been with Steely for many years.

  • @Flips77Coupe
    @Flips77Coupe Рік тому +2

    The way they did the Isley’s “Who’s that Lady” to start the show!!! Epic just stumbled on to you guys and I’m From OC. It’s funny I’m 53 and have 3 older brothers who all Lowrided but music was huge and this always reminds me of my childhood. I go on deep Steely Dan trips, I drive a truck and I always hear something different lol didn’t notice. So hard to choose but even though Deacon Blues is my favorite I thin Royal Scam barely noses out Aja

    • @AirplayBeats
      @AirplayBeats  Рік тому +3

      They did the Isleys?!?!? Wow. We have to react to that one. I’m actually uploading a new Dukes Of September video right now. Thank you so much for checking us out

    • @AirplayBeats
      @AirplayBeats  Рік тому +2

      Oh and I agree with you. Royal Scam barely ahead of Aja. I just like the grittiness of the Royal scam. Aja is a little more polished.

    • @AirplayBeats
      @AirplayBeats  Рік тому +4

      Another thing lol. I wake up every morning with deacon blues in my head. So I’m right there with you on everything you said!!

    • @Flips77Coupe
      @Flips77Coupe Рік тому +2

      @@AirplayBeats the very first song of the concert!! Not trying to give away too much but the beginning solo ends...Donald nods and tells him do another one cuz it was so good!!!! Love that!!!!

  • @esdel1955
    @esdel1955 Рік тому

  • @joelliebler5690
    @joelliebler5690 Рік тому

    Steely Dan after touring very little when they first started the band then stopped touring completely and did not play live until their comeback in the early 1990’s.

  • @alphaomega6062
    @alphaomega6062 Рік тому

    Jon Herington plays a guitar solo that is both really unique and true to Larry Carlton's original.

  • @mamaflush9945
    @mamaflush9945 Рік тому

    I'd suggest going back to some of Michael McDonald's earlier stuff, he's got an extensive collection to explore, in case you're interested. This is a live performance "The Doobie Brothers - China Grove (From Rockin' Down The Highway: The Wildlife Concert)" Michael McDonald has so much soul in his voice, and it's very distinctive, very recognizable... just like Boz Scaggs's voice is quite unique as well. I tend to gravitate towards blues and jazz, whether it be traditional or southern rock. Thanks for the memory's fellas, Thanks for sharing🎶🎷🎸

  • @TheRenniesantiago
    @TheRenniesantiago Рік тому

    I feel music just like you guys. You should also see Stieve Ray Vaughn doing Superstition and Voodoo child. The man was in the stratosphere of blues rock!!!!

  • @babylonsister118
    @babylonsister118 Рік тому

    It's very similar to how The Allman Brothers truly and completely mastered the art of playing dual synchronized lead guitars, which is a very distinctive sound. Check this out to see what I mean, (at some point, anyway), which is a request i promise enriches BOTH of us! There are surely better audios, (and definitely better video, cause this camera guy must have been on crack, lol) of this out there but I chose this one because it has both, my man, Derek Trucks, who is easily in my top two favorite guitarists on the planet PLUS the incredible Mr. Warren Haynes, who BTW is playing with the Dave Matthews Band in the Central Park concert i have asked you guys to do, but it IS a long song, so if you don't do it, I get it but I promise it's worth every minute! Best Dave scat ever!! Here is the link to the Allman Bros, though1 Hope you enjoy!!ua-cam.com/video/_W25lPno3FE/v-deo.html.

  • @baird5776mullet
    @baird5776mullet Рік тому

    Steely Dan did very few live performance's in their early days, they preferred staying in the studio for creation with different highly creative studio musicians, i was born in 57 and grew up listening to the greatest music ever created, thanks for the memory's and reactions.

    • @AirplayBeats
      @AirplayBeats  Рік тому +1

      Thank you for watching!!

    • @kbrewski1
      @kbrewski1 Рік тому

      They regularly toured from 1972 to 1974. Some good radio show recordings around.

    • @baird5776mullet
      @baird5776mullet Рік тому

      @@kbrewski1 Compared to other bands it was very few.

    • @kbrewski1
      @kbrewski1 Рік тому

      @@baird5776mullet
      Well, I guess it depends on what other bands you're talking about, and what you consider a lot, but according to a source I found called the Steely Dan Database, between Oct 1972 to July 1974, Steely Dan played at least 171 concerts. I don't know how accurate the site is, but it looks pretty detailed. Basically nonstop typical touring for the end of 72, most of 73 and the first half of 74. I would guess the first concerts in 72 may be incomplete when they weren't yet known, so its likely more.
      But in any event, 171 in that relatively small time frame is quite a lot. Sure, maybe not Grateful Dead numbers, but that's a pretty busy schedule over roughly close to almost 2 years.

  • @richkurl
    @richkurl Рік тому +1

    The lead guitarist is Jon Herington, who's been touring with Steely Dan since 2000. He's a flat out assassin. Seen SD 19 times since they started touring again in 1993, most recently at Woodstock NY in July '22. Dukes were great, but the 13 member Steely Dan touring band is as good as it gets.

    • @6debbie12
      @6debbie12 Рік тому +1

      Saw him play with Steely Dan back to back nights in NYC in the fall of 2019. Was so good

    • @richkurl
      @richkurl Рік тому

      @@6debbie12 Nice! Beacon Theater in Manhattan?

  • @Thomas-aka-TomD
    @Thomas-aka-TomD Рік тому +1

    I second another comment about checking them out LIVE while in their prime. Donald isn't near peak here with his singing. I know you're going down by LP's, but there are some quality performances out there you'd really enjoy. PLEASE check "Babylon Sisters" (Goucho LP) LIVE at Sony Music Center 2000. You'll see some of the studio guys they used

  • @metaphoria3
    @metaphoria3 Рік тому

    Bepop players like Charlie Parker, Art Tatum and Thelonious Monk had allot to do with this .. I played in a funk &groove class at Shoreline CC here in Seattle with a special needs dude that learned this entire song on keyboard after one listen .. blew me away ofc he had like 3 dif boards he’d use also sings like Fagen kinda looks like him too wore shades cuz he was blind like Ray and Stevie we’d help him walk in n outta class. What a guy wish I could remember his name I’ll track it down

  • @johnhaley5593
    @johnhaley5593 Рік тому +1

    Larry Carlton played the solo on the record.

  • @kevinfitzpatrick2743
    @kevinfitzpatrick2743 2 місяці тому

    That dude on the SG is one bad m effer

  • @annbeguity5932
    @annbeguity5932 Рік тому

    The 3 Dukes intended (and advertised) their shows to be an homage to some great blues, R&B, and soul classics of their youth. But they “got in trouble” ‘cause audiences still expected/wanted to hear the hits of the three. So the set list changed a little to include a few more of those. BUT IMHO there are *much* better live performances of all three playing their own shows with their own full stage bands, giving a truer picture of their individual strengths (and most with a less-stilted vibe than this made-for-DVD performance). I’m sure this community can point you to good clips for each

  • @amjrpain919
    @amjrpain919 2 місяці тому

    Michael, without his beard reminds me of Jay Leno ...

  • @RedSinter
    @RedSinter Рік тому +1

    You should check out their aperience on David Letterman

  • @kevinaldridge
    @kevinaldridge Рік тому

    Check out Fagens solo album Kamakiriad, it is superb. You won’t be disappointed.⭐️😁

  • @alphaomega6062
    @alphaomega6062 Рік тому

    Who is playing what? Don is doing the Ray Charles part!

  • @rosemarypugliese2984
    @rosemarypugliese2984 Рік тому

    I think Jon Herington is lead guitar

  • @cliffordlowerre1381
    @cliffordlowerre1381 Рік тому

    Love it but it's hard to match Larry Carlton's guitar solo. Interesting backdrop.

  • @artimusbranesample9072
    @artimusbranesample9072 Рік тому

    So long as you're up for some ironic white bands, Bruce Hornsby has about 4 sheets of acid and a 10th as many UA-cam live shows for you to peruse.

  • @kenwhelan3003
    @kenwhelan3003 Рік тому

    There's a third keyboard player left upstage

  • @beanchilada
    @beanchilada Рік тому

    Prime steely Dan live is around 1994-1996. This was around 2011 I believe. This group also did a version of Peg I’m pretty sure.

  • @danielabatabogdanov8586
    @danielabatabogdanov8586 Рік тому

    You guys dont love guitar players :( hehe .. its ok. Just seems like you give more love too keys and drums.

    • @AirplayBeats
      @AirplayBeats  Рік тому

      😂 We love the guitar players. I’m a drummer so I tend to listen/watch the drums.

    • @danielabatabogdanov8586
      @danielabatabogdanov8586 Рік тому

      @@AirplayBeats haha get it. Im a guitar player. Guess thats why.

  • @antarcticorb9197
    @antarcticorb9197 Рік тому +1

    I love your channel, but the excessive pausing is becoming annoying. Perhaps you could let it play, then go back to specific parts?

    • @AirplayBeats
      @AirplayBeats  Рік тому +1

      If we wait until the end, we will forget everything we had to say about a specific spot and we will start to feel like the other reaction pages where they wait until the end and barely have anything to say.

    • @AirplayBeats
      @AirplayBeats  Рік тому +1

      We will try to stop pausing so much

    • @antarcticorb9197
      @antarcticorb9197 Рік тому +1

      @@AirplayBeats you could take notes. Watch the time code. I hear you, I'm the same way with much to say when I hear something that tickles my fancy. But your subscribers might want to hear the song as well . Some may not be familiar with the song, and they'll lose the impact of what you guys are saying. Just my thoughts.

    • @AirplayBeats
      @AirplayBeats  Рік тому +2

      That makes sense. Thank you so much for your input. We will simmer down with the pausing.

    • @antarcticorb9197
      @antarcticorb9197 Рік тому +2

      @@AirplayBeats Thanks guys, don't worry, either way I'll continue to watch!

  • @MrRabbit43
    @MrRabbit43 Рік тому

    Swagger not swag lol

    • @AirplayBeats
      @AirplayBeats  Рік тому

      That’s our slang for swagger. That’s just how we say it out here

    • @MrRabbit43
      @MrRabbit43 Рік тому +1

      @@AirplayBeats SWAG meant Sold Without A Guarantee. Meaning it was HOT stuff like 5 finger discount !