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- Опубліковано 9 сер 2022
- Lectric XPremium (Part 2) - This video will a more focused discussion on the components and how the mid drive motor works. I love the Lectric but it may not be for everyone. Make sure you watch the section on the motor discussion.
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What I like about my hub-drive XP is that the motor engages by sensing the mere _motion_ of the pedals, but not the torque that I'm applying. As a result, in higher pedal assist levels (say 3 and above) I can get a good dose of power just by casually spinning the pedals without having to put any "oomph" into it. I like that. 😊
yes, the cadence sensors make the ride more effortless. I have both types of motors, it just kind of depends on the type of riding I feel like at the moment. My XC00 has a cadence sensor...bike is fun and fast.
wow, first Lectric i would consider buying, very impressive!
Thank you for explaining the differences between a mid drive motor versus the hub motor. All who are considering buying this E-Bike or any mid drive Ebike, please test hub drive versus mid drive before purchasing. I tested a three or $4000 dollar mid drive Pedago and could not wait to get back home to my $1500 Rad City (hub drive). I have had many E-bikes but they were all hub drive and will continue to be.
That's really the best way, do test rides. It's definitely not for everyone. I have grown to love it but my wife hates it. Only suggestion would be for you to test a cadence mid drive. XPremium is a torque sensing mid drive. The cadence mid drives are more like hub drive but with a lot of power. I don't know who makes one but I converted one with (Bafang BBSHD) and it will go fast without me working too hard. Thank you for taking the time to comment...happy riding!
@@tai.randomthings Isn't there are hand throttle for just riding off motor, without pedaling? So you could PAS up to your top speed and then just use the hand throttle to maintain?
I had ordered this bike and I am so glad I canceled my order. If you are like me and you are older with knee issues or maybe not in the best of shape, you will have trouble peddling this bike. It is not like the XP 2.0 which you can just turn the hand throttle and go. It has a throttle but that throttle is different on this bike. It does not receive as much power as the XP 2.0. If you want power, you have to peddle and peddle hard like this video has so eloquently described it. The XPremium is a great bike but it is not for everyone. Great video with a great explanation of the differences. Thanks!
Thank you for your kind words and I didn't realize how the bike rode until I got it. I will put it through it's paces so that I can share my experience with others (hopefully before people order) and then I will need to decide what I am going to do. Thanks again!
@ Photography, etc.: Yeah, I generally prefer an easy ride without too much effort, so this torque-sensing design would not be right for me. Here's what I wrote a few moments ago in a separate comment:
What I like about my hub-drive XP is that the motor engages by sensing the mere _motion_ of the pedals, but not the torque that I'm applying. As a result, in higher pedal assist levels (say 3 and above) I can get a good dose of power just by casually spinning the pedals without having to put any "oomph" (at all) into it. I like that. 😊 👍
I cancel my order 5 day on the liberty trike…I might reorder next year 😂😂😂😂😂
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Just bought one a few days ago..arrives tomorrow!
Nice, happy riding!
Great breakdown!
thanks, hope it helped. Happy riding!
Hi great video, I have had my Xpreium since late August. I have 300 + miles now. it's a great bike. I can say from personal expense the following.
1. had my 1st flat at 210 miles. The Slime they pre-installed did not work well at all. 15 miles away from home stranded.
2. recommend getting a new set of tires, the tires that come with it are thin.
3. Please Please Please Lectric provide a charger that can charge both batters at the same time. I have sent a request that they do this but more requests may make them take note.
The Good parts.
1. I agree, you have put some effort into getting up to high speeds. I love that about this bike effort not strain.
2. It has excellent maneuverability, despite being so big. I find it great getting around off road.
3. It has the best utility of use I can go to Aldi's get a week of food, go home and then go out with my younger friends on the off-road bike trails. and still have charge.
I agree with you. I had an XP that was stolen so I still have the charger. So I have two chargers so I am able to charge both batteries at the same time but I agree. it would be a lot more convenient if Lectric has a charger that has two charge cords.
I have over 1500 miles now on my XPremium and I have been lucky so far. But I will be putting in a "tannus armour" tire insert to prevent flats. I have them on my other ebikes and they have worked for me so far.
Thanks for taking the time to provide the detailed feedback...happy riding!
Great video…very informative!
Thank you for taking time to explain in detail about the operation of the motor and torque sensor.
You just made up my mind not to order the Premium model.
people either love the bike or hate it. I have grown to love it but by wife doesn't like the torque sensing and hates how much work she has to put into it. I've seen a lot of people try to sell their XPremium because it wasn't what they expected. Glad this video gave you the necessary insight before you bought. Happy riding...whatever you decide!
Very informative video, thank you!
Thank you for your kind words, happy riding!
Thank You for explaining the mid-drive and hub-drive. I was looking into this bike to take my two toddlers on a daily evening cruise but it seem to make more sense and get the Xpedition model instead. Only reason I looked into the Xpremium because people keep saying mid-drive is way better.
XPremium isn't for everyone and sounds like the type of riding, the XPedition is a better choice. Glad the video helped. Happy riding with the kiddos!
Great review! Thank you!
Thank you for your kind words. Happy riding!
The best review, of any ebike, I’ve ever seen! I wonder if Lectric make a 250W version for the UK market. Thanks.
Thank you for your kind words. Lectric has an XP Lite, but I think that is a 350W hub motor.
good information, well presented. I went for a test drive of this bike and the 3.0, and I really wanted a mid drive motor, mainly because the engineering and stability made more sense to me. But the snappy response of the hub drive was a much more enjoyable ride for me. Anyone choosing one of these Lectrics should, as you say, think about how they want to use it and under what conditions. And I would also say, get a test in and feel how they move.
Totally agree with your suggestion...thank you for your kind comments. I have come to love it but my wife prefers the hub drive. It all depends on what each rider is looking for. Happy riding!
Thanks for sharing that. I'm going to try them both out next week and see which I prefer.
On the middrive, could you go electric only and have a slow start and run? I am old and handicapped, I need something to just help me get around when I might not be able to walk or pedal.
I do apologize I know you'll telling us about the Lectric but I've got to say something about your wall I just love how the wall behind you is painted. If that's your home you've got a cheap beach front home.❤
LOL...appreciate the feedback. We had a mural painted to add depth to the small backyard and it lets me imagine I'm at the beach.
@@tai.randomthings But don't you live just a few miles from the beach? lol
@@specagent999 LOL, yes!
Thank you that was very helpful. I was a little intimidated when I purchased the bike even though I did my research but afraid to actually ride it for fear of breaking something on it.
The XPremium rides different but it's a solid bike. I don't have the video done yet but with mid drive, you do have to pay attention to shifting to prolong the life of the chain and rear gears. But for average riding, just regularily oil the chain. Happy riding!
How do you like it now that you've had it for a while?
Great overview explanation. I’m looking forward to putting my XPremium to a test in hills on a longer ride away from flat Sacramento. I haven’t had a chance to practice folding and loading the bike in a car in case that may be something you plan to cover.
Thanks for the feedback. I do plan on covering folding. I have a 09' corolla so that will be a good trunk test. Let me know what you think of the bike on the hills outside of Sac. Happy riding!
I’m in RSVL I really like the exercise I get with this bike. It’s not too much effort but I stay out for hours and enjoy myself. I’m really surprised how small it folds because it’s a big bike.
@@SCPVIDEOPRODUCTION I agree and regardless which model, the best thing about these bikes is that it lets you put in as much effort as you want and enjoy the outdoors. Happy riding!
How did it do on hills?
@@jbrown4137 I've mainly been doing longer day rides around the flats where I live. I have to come up with a transport solution or take a longer ride to the hills for a good hill test. Looking forward to that.
This bike is just what I'm looking for. Doing National parks trails near DC with a speed limit of 15 mph. I want the torque sensor so I feel like I am biking. Don't need speed, but distance. Ordered one this morning.
I think the XPremium will work well for you.
I liked your video. I’m thinking of buying this bike, but I’m afraid of the mid motor. Could you explain shifting in more detail?
@gail gebhard. The shifting is kind of like a manual transmission car, start in lower gears and high speed sustained riding in higher gears. I have new video that may help. It's title is about range for the XPremium but I do show shifting and how that changes speed and the effort you have to put in. Check it out and we can chat more if you have more questions.
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Very helpful, the XPREMIUM isn’t for everyone and thank you for explaining why 👍
Hope it was helpful. Yes, my wife is complaining to me that it's not as fun as the XP 2.0 because it does require work. Happy riding.
@@tai.randomthings she is complaining because she got use to the hub drive
Premium 2.0 is coming out this summer with longer ranger, 4 inch longer handlebars, 145mm short pedal cranks, welded back rack like the 3.0 and upgraded midengine with more top end speed like the 2.0... In my dreams at least.
Wait, are you teasing?
@@tai.randomthings Yes, but its gonna happen at some point but those are the things on the wishlist. They make updates to the other models so sure they will have a premium 2.0 soon.
Yeah, I just ordered one today, knowing the 2.0 is coming eventually and the one thing I really wanted was the XP3.0 welded rack, it just makes sense. Worst case I'll have someone weld one for me.
@@jackblah5842 2.0 is great, i have both and find the 2.0 grips more comfortable since i has the thumb rest, and the cruise kicks on faster. Also feel like it goes faster on throttle only. Only odd thing is my hub motor has some coil whine but that helps people hear me on the trail.
After a lot of research...I bought this sucker. The combination of torque sensor and mid drive makes driving it a dream...so responsive...smooth.
For a fat tire bike...this is the only way to go...if you actually are going to need the fat tire. If you stay on firm trails...meh.
I have access to miles of private trails...and pastures...some of it can be ...considered 'off road'.
If I put it into P2 and gear 2 ... I can literally walk the bike over any terrain...slow and stable...at a walking pace. 2.5 mph ... like a WW1 tank...it just rolls over everything...ruts...holes...anything...just cranks right through...smooth as silk.
This is where the hub motors fail miserably...
Hub bikes always market the top speed and watts...but for a fat bike...hub is not great at all...unless you can ride over smooth surfaces. Get into rough terrain...and the hub motor will get jerky at slow speeds. It won't feel as if you are riding a bicycle...you aren't actually...not really.
The mid drive solves that by linking power to the gear...and most importantly...to your foot pressure on the pedal.
Torque sensor is where it is at...not cadence sensors.
It also has a payload of like 330 lbs. It's as big a beast as you will need. I carry 50 lbs of photo gear with me...bike doesn't even notice it.
No way would I go over rough terrain with a hub motor with 30k of camera gear...but this bike...no worries...fast on the smooth trails...lock out the forks...zippy. Go off road...open the forks...get into low...and off you go...through just about anything.
For the price they sell this bike at...it's a bloody steal.
I agree, the mid drive puts in into a different class. On flat paved bike trails, the hub motors do just fine. In fact, that's the kind of trails my wife prefers, and she is lazy and wants the bike to pedal for her. For me, I have grow to love the XPremium. I actually took it on a Mountain Bike trail. Like you said, this is where the mid drive really shines. I will have a video out soon on that "off road" ride (if I can find the time to edit). Thanks for your detailed feedback and happy riding!
Great writeup. This is exactly the type of occasional riding I want to do; dinking and dunking around off piste and also around town when it snows where I'll need predictable control.
@@jackblah5842 I live in the south...and encounter sand all the time...which sort of mimics snow. Different snow conditions can be adjusted by gear and power lvl.
I keep the large basket up front...so anything I am carrying gets the benefit of the front fork.
Between the weight...tire and torque sensor...this should be a 2 wheel snowmobile...up to a point...😀
Thank you for this overview. I think I've got a better understanding of what I can expect when I use my XPremium bike.
I'm glad it helped...happy riding
Thanks for the video mate. Think I will stick with my Defiant with my 2 batteries. Keep up the great vids. Also you need to go try a bottle of the Alberfeldy 12 year smooth and good.
Alright...I will look for the Alberfeldy. Thanks for the tip! When I get it, I will slaute MrMacGyver.
I have the Defiant too and I think I want to add a second battery so that I can that distance.
I was at Costco and saw it so I grabbed a bottle. It's sweet and smooth. Thanks for the recommendation. Cheers!
@@tai.randomthings cheers Ty glad you liked it. And yes it is nice and smooth
Great Video. That does not look like the factory mirror that Lectric has advertised on their website as an accessory. I brought my XPremium on the 4th of July 2023 and I'm suppose to get a free Bike lock, pair of mirrors and phone mount...but I don't think my mirrors are going to look as cool as yours.
thank you for your kind words...happy riding!
Seriously considering this but not sure. My brother has three hub drivr and while its nice sometimes is Seriously feels like I am doing nothing half the time. I want to have fun but still feel like I did something so it seems like this is a great option
The torque sensing mid drive is designed to give you that real bike feel. Seems counter intuitative that it cost more for you to work harder but that is exactly what happens here. So I can get it to 28 mph but it will make me work for it. If that is what you are looking for, then XPremium is good for you. But if you just what to throttle around at top speed everywhere, then XP 2.0 is a better choice. I do have this initial video, that may help you understand how it works.
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Nice review, what about the throttle though? What is unclear is if the throttle allows for max current to 20mph? I have an XPremium arriving in a few days and other reviews suggested that the throttle will accelerate to 20mph. I do not plan on riding this hard but want the torque from the motor to assist me across a street or up to speed when I find it necessary. I understand that I am responsible for having the bike set up for this (be in a mid or lower gear & have the correct PAS setting selected). I owned a big bad 750/1100w hub drive and was always hard into the throttle, it was fun until I started burning stuff up and I believe that virtually all $1000-$2000 hub drive bikes are optimized for a rider who is 180lbs or less who actually pedals a hub drive bike. I weigh over 250LBS and think that this will be a better fit for longevity because the torque sensor and gearing allow for optimization of power to the rear wheel. One thing I appreciate is the Class II eBike sticker, lots of laws are in the books now stating that this sticker must be in place and I will be in compliance with local law.
Yes, the trottle will ramp you up to 20 mph but it's more gradual compared to a hub drive. However, because of Class 2 requirements, it will not go faster than 20 mph on throttle only, even if you unlock it. The torque sensor will give you a "real bike" feel but you do need to do little more regular maintenance than a hub drive. Happy riding!
I've tried both mid drive and hub drive bikes and currently own a mid drive mountain bike because hub drive is useless for hills and for people who actually want to ride an ebike for both the enjoyment and exercise. I rode a hub drive Super 73 and hated it. Couldn't climb most of the hills around here and when you do peddle to get up a hill, it's a pain in arse because the ergonomics are all wrong. The particular Super 73 that I rode had a 7 speed rear derailleur but as with all hub drives, did nothing to help the motor get up a hill. The power response on hub motor bikes is also hurky jerky and not very smooth. My mid drive, on the other hand, make use of the front and rear gearing and the torque sensor makes power delivery nice and smooth. The ergonomics of my bike is normal bicycle ergonomics so peddling is a pleasure and allows me to go up hills that I'd have to push the Super 73 up even though the Super 73 motor is rated for twice the Watts as my mid drive.
I've been looking for a foldable mid drive bike but the cheapest one I could find was around $4,500, about $1,000 more than my mountain bike. This Lectric Premium pushes most of the right buttons for me so I'll seriously look into buying one. I only wish it had a bigger front brake rotor to handle the weight, better quality derailleur, nicer grips and seat. But I understand why they chose the cheaper components in order to keep the price so low at $1,600. I just wonder if the 1000W Bafang mid drive can bolt in place of the stock 500W drive...
I totally get what you are saying...I have a friend that has super and it's so uncomfortable in my opinion. The hub drive vs torque sensing mid drive are historically two completely different worlds but this bike does try to bridge it at an affordable price. I did take this bike on a green level mountain trail to see how it will handle climbing and it did decent. I have a video on that if you are still interested in the research. The other thing is you could pick up this bike second hand around $1100 and it may be worth a try. Happy riding!
Thanks for video, just but it only problem I think I have is a heavy weight, what you recommend to carry th8s heavy ebike
Hollywood bike racks makes an ebike rack "Destination E Bike Rack" for $699 and it will fit the XPremium. I think it is recommended to remove one of the batteries. I have used a "blackwidow" motorcycle carrier, which is about $200 for a single bike version and $400 for a two bike version. I have a video on the single version. ua-cam.com/video/ry_SwbwdG8s/v-deo.html
@@tai.randomthings I bought a Hollywood Destination E for our two XPremiums and had to return it as it only fits up to a 50 inch wheelbase. The XPremium actually has a 51 inch wheelbase and while I could have possibly used it, it sure didnt seem safe. I took it back and got the Hollywood Sport Rack that is rated for 80lbs per bike, 60 inch wheelbase and up to 5 inch wide tires. It is a beast of a rack and was $200 cheaper than the Destination E. I did need to buy a couple add on top bars for the clamps to ride on and those were $40 each. The wheels sit down in cradles and there are included adaptors for 20 inch wheels to keep the derailleur clear of the cradle. Do NOT buy the Destination E for the XPremium! I know it comes with a ramp included but I have no problem loading our bikes by holding the rear brake and popping the front up in a wheelie and dropping it in the cradle then lift the rear up. I'm 66 and do it no problem.
The mid drive is all about the gearing. Always, down shift when you come to a complete stop. If you ever driven a standard shift car treat the bike like that.
yes and for those that are used to twist and go with a hub motor, it's definitely a bit of getting used to.
What is the best gear to be in when just wanting to ride around with rhe throttle. Ive noticed sometimes just riding the throttle without pedling my gear will still slip or jump
I shift the gears like a car. As I approach a stop light, I will change the gear to either 2nd or 3rd. If it's an incline, I will go all the way to 1st. After I start up and get monentum, I will then upshift to 4th, then 5th if it's pretty flat. If you start on 7th gear and stay there all the time, chances are you have worn out the freewheel, that's why it's slipping on you. Good news is if you use a different gear that you typically don't use, you probably won't get the slipping as bad. If I'm just riding around and don't want to worry about shifting, then I would keep it in 2nd or 3rd gear. But that won't get you very fast. Sorry for the long answer and hope it helps. Let me know if I didn't answer you. Good luck.
Would like to buy one but would like to try it first
If you are not familiar with mid drives, I think it would be a good idea for you to try it out. Unfortunately, I don't know where you can try it out other than in Phoenix, where Lectric is located. Where are you located? You can try to post on XPremium blog post to see if anyone is near you and willing to let you try their bike.
Can it run on one battery at a time, that way only have to charge one battery for shorter rides?
You can remove the battery under the seat and just run on the primary. However, you cannot remove the primary and run on the secondary. Let me know if that makes sense.
Note: there are mod drive systems that don't use torque sensors.
Yes, although Lectric uses a torque sensing mid drive motor, there are others mid drives motors that use cadence sensors.
How do you lock at the store. Because even when you lock the bicycle with chain or other lock still power on and damage the wheel. I pulling one battery to disconnect still working with others battery. Pulling two batteries and carrying is too heavy. Any solutions
Unfortunantly, I do not have a good solution at this point. I have a kryptonite chain but that I only good for short time away. Definitely not overnight. I think if you are intent on removing power, you can disconnect the primary battery. Even though the auxillary battery is still connected, it will not work without the primary battery. An easier alternative would be to remove the controller plug, which may be harder to figure out. Lastly, I saw someone with removable pedals. So they cannot pedal and not battery, they would have to push.
@@tai.randomthings thank you.
I noticed that they have removed the X premium from their website
Wonder if there will be a 2.0 soon, maybe with 1000 watt motor he he
I noticed that too but I fear the opposite. I don't think people like pedal assist and prefer pedal for you. This would make me sad because I love my XPremium.
What’s the actual max range on level 3 pedal assist? 80 miles?
I got 62 miles with probably 15-20% battery left. I have a video on it but the terraine I ride on is pretty flat. I have a video on PAS3 ua-cam.com/video/OP6Mcy4kX-A/v-deo.html
Check your state and local laws before you set your bike to class three. Because some laws do not allow class three bikes on multi use trails or roads. And experiment with your PAS and gear settings. PAS 3 and gear 3 has always worked fine for me starting off. And you want to be able to use you throttle to start off if you are on a hill or off road or on gravel. So you get some forward travel before you have to peddle. And if you need to shift gears. Tap lightly on either brake lever and it will shut power to your motor immediately so you can shift. And not lose momentum like waiting for your sensors to shut power to the motor. It is like using a clutch on a sports car. It may take some practice to get the feel without engaging the brakes any. I have been riding mid drives since 2002 with thousands of miles. This bike is underpowered from what I am used too. But at 70 maybe it is time to slow down a little.
Agree...and ride on at 70 years young!
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thanks for your kind feedback.
The the x2 and x3 same size as the premium?
No, the XPremium is about 6" inches longer
10:13 cat rooolllllllll 🐱🍥
LOL...that's my "splat". He was a ferral that I rescued. He has become a very sweet boy, especially when he wants a treat. Happy riding!
Dear Random Things, I am old with health problems and I do not want to go fast, I prefer to go slow, where I want to go is flat, but I might to be able to pedal at times, thus I need electric only drive. Can this Lectric XPremium do that?
I would not recommend XPremium for you. XPremium heavy and it meant to assist your pedaling. It's not worth the money if you are looking for an ebike that will essentially pedal for you. Based on what you describe on how you want to ride (slowish and basically motor only), I would say "XP Lite", which goes around 16 mph but it's very easy to ride. The big negative about the XP Lite is ride distance. If you want distance, then XP 3.0, maybe even with the long range battery. Hope this helps.
@@tai.randomthingsThank you. That is helpful.
Does is have cruise control like the XP lite
Yes i does have cruise control, I just verified it. Happy riding!
@@tai.randomthings this bike is really the goat for cargo with Cruise control at this price point
We bought the 3.0 and wanted to return it but there is a NO RETURN POLICY if you have ridden it at all ! The peddles are directly under the seat not a comfortable ride. Before you buy read the return policy at the bottom of the page.
I'm sorry that has happened to you. Yes, unfortuately, the return policy is basically, you can't return it unless it's defective and/or you haven't ridden it. Plus, you have to pay for shipping and restocking costs.
Where are you at, maybe someone would be willing to buy it from you since it's practically new. However, the warranty on the XP is non-transferrable so aftermarket buyers would likely expect some discount to take on that risk.
I am sorry you don't like your 3.0. I don't have that bike so I can't confirm if the downtube angle is different. From the picture, it looks the same as the 2.0, which is a sitting straight up angle that a lot of people like. There are seats and seat posts out there that may allow you to sit back more to make the ride more comfortable. May be an althernative to consider if you are indeed stuck with the bike. Best of luck to you.
Is this bike worth it and hill climbing no problem I’m only going to 15-20 mph
I love my XPremium because it gives me a real bike feel. Meaning it helps me but makes me pedal hard if I want to go really fast. For 15 mph, no problems at all for minor hills. Steep inclines are fine but just not going to be at 20 mph.
Where were you before I ordered one?
Oh shoots...it's still a good bike but more if you are interested in getting in a little exercise with the ride as well as for hilly terrain.
I bought the 2.0 last year and rode it for 200 miles and loved it. Unfortunately it was stolen (my fault for forgetting to lock it), I just ordered the premium. Looking forward to getting thus bike!
My 2.0 got stolen too and that's also how I ended up with this bike. I have some videos on how this bike performs if you are interested...check out the library. Happy riding.
It's a shame that there are despicable bastards out there who have no regard for other people. I'm sorry that happened to you.
@@Milesco Thanks...so disappointing that the theft is getting out of control.
I put both a samsung tag and apple airtag inside the base with the controller is at, took 5 minutes and now I can track it all over. I sort of want it to get stolen so I have the COPs ruin their life forever.
@@FriarPop would you like post a video about setting up those tags? Really appreciate it
Can you hit 28 on throttle only
No, you can only reach 20 mph on throttle only.
Lectric said my bike would be here today. Its 6pm and no bike. This is over 2 months waiting after paying them for the cargo bike. So frustrating and pisses me off. Ive called 5 times at least. They said it was coming 2 weeks ago between a friday and sunday so i stayed home all weekend but no ebike arrived.
I'm so sorry for your experience. I'm hearing that for a lot of other people too. Hope you get your bike soon.
How do you unlock it? To make it class 3
You go into setting, it's the P08, change it from 32 to 100. Here is a link to a video where I discuss it for a XP 2.0 a year ago but it's the same computer program. ua-cam.com/video/JHt1rIEBh3M/v-deo.html
Hi, it's a beautiful machine, but I will keep riding my 2.0 XP.
Mid drive is very different than rear hub drive. If I am looking for easy ride, I prefer the hub drive (XP 2.0). I may buy a XP 2.0 ST again. Happy riding!
I have the 2.0, 3.0 and Premium, and the 2.0 is by far the best performance. 3.0 is slow as a dog, they went more torque and less speed, premium is a slow dog also, but has some nice upgrade, but i dont like the middrive.
I just bought one and the slime is free but you can delete it from the cart as I did.
good to know but I usually add slime to my tubes so the factory saves me a step. Do you not like using slime?
@@tai.randomthings I carry a patch kit, usually a spare tube etc in all my other cycling. A 4 in tire with 20 25 psi should roll nice and I can’t imagine a flat. So I personally just don’t think it’s needed. Not a bad thing, just passing on that in the cart we had a choice. Great Vid btw. Thank you
@@tksleeper you can't imagine a flat?? Don't worry its only flat on the bottom! My daughter says "I don't plan on having an accident Dad!" I tell her, "who does?"
Can we believe anything from 'LECTRIC"? Their XP3.0 is 1000W 55nm...? My G-Force is 750W 80nm...! How can a motor that's 25% smaller have 40% more torque?
I believe it's how the torqure is applied. In a hub drive, the torque is transferred to the wheel through the spokes so there are some limitation in how much energy can be transferred. The mid drive transfers the power through the chain so it's able to deliver more torque. At least this is what I beleive is happening. I will say from my riding experience, I cannot feel the torque difference typically because the terraine I ride is mostly flat. I working on a new video that showcases the torque. Hope you watch that when i comes out in the next week or so. Happy riding!
@@tai.randomthings I was referring to the XP3.0 and not the XPremium when making my comparison. The difference comes from 'Lectric' calling a 500W motor by it's claimed 1000W peak. My 750W peaks at 1100W but comparing hub to hub, 100W difference in claimed peak pwr doesn't account for the 55nm to 80nm difference in torque...
Why don't they make all these e-bikes w/ alternators ..where the batteries get charged automatically jst like in your car(by the alternator )!. alleviating any down time waiting for your 1 or 2 batteries u might have to charge !.??
I have heard that the industry is coming out with something like that but I have not personally seen or tested.
What is "walk" mode?
If you hold the minus "-" button down and hold it down, the bike will enter into "walk" mode, where it will power along at about 2 mph. This allows you to walk the heavy bike through a section, say the boardwalk at the beach where you have to get off and walk your bike, and not have to push it. Espectially if there is a slight incline. I've attached a link to "walk" mode video if you are interested. I will say that since the video, Lectric has changed the program. You now have to hold down the button. Happy riding!
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If you wanna go fast without peddling just use the throttle!
In my experience for this bike, you can go about 20 mph but if you want to go faster than that, you'll need to pedal.
I thought all hub motor bikes have torque sensor
Unfortunately no. That’s one of the reasons why hub motor riders often experience ghost pedaling
Why does the seat come up to your chest??? In the first scene?
Plus it gives “seat to ground” measurements as 32” at the lowest, and for riders 5’2”-6’5”?
That’s a FIFTEEN INCH DIFFERENCE….
MY inseam is 32(jeans/pants) but I AM NOT 5’2”!
This makes no sense please help….
In the operning scenes, I was sitting on a chair. I'm 5'7 with a 30" inseam and the bike fits me fine. But I'm not sure what exactly you are asking? Let me know and I can get out the measuring tape for you. Thanks
@@tai.randomthings 39 seconds in….wrist on handlebar hand on seat. That seat goes up to your belly button.
@@alexsherel3344 Yes, I typically have the seat between my weist and belly button. Then when I sit on the bike, my leg is about 90% extended to maximize pedal force. My wife likes to ride with her feet on the ground but with this bike, to maximize your speed, you need to be able to pedal hard(ish).
@@tai.randomthings That's the way to do it. It's all in the knee bend when the pedal is at 6 o'clock. Belly buttons aside... 😄
I have the XPremium. I’m 6’3” 210 and I’m great shape. There is NO way I can get this bike to go faster than 25mph unless I’m going down hill. I am peddling my butt off and my wife blows by me on her XP 2.0. Lectric needs to reprogram the motor to allow more assist at lower peddling pressure. Bike is very underwhelming.
It also took me quite a bit of effort to get up above 25 mph. That's a good question about reprograming the motor. I wonder how that would work. On my other "home built" bikes, I can actually plug an USB into the controllor and mess with the firmware (if I knew how), but the Lectric is closed. Hmmm....anyone anyone?
My experience EXACTLY! I'm about your size and just made it to 24 mph. VERY disappointing! I didn't get much sympathy from Lectric either. I wish reprogramming was possible. Otherwise I'm seriously thinking of selling the bike after only one month.
@@allenwhitehead7246 I’m thinking the same thing myself. I paid nearly twice as much and I can’t keep up with my wife on the 2.0. I had a somewhat heated argument with the tech at Lectric. I know it can be reprogrammed but they refused to tell me how to unlock P11 and P12 on the bike. Another disappointment I have with Lectric is how long it takes to ship something. I needed a part. Spoke with Service and ordered the part. After a week I get an email stating tracking number created. Another still not shipped. I read the email closely. It may take up to 10 days before they actually ship the part. Now I wait for USPS about a week. We are pushing 3/4 of a month to get the damn part. That is ridiculous!
@@tai.randomthings if Lectric can’t solve this problem I’m selling the bike and moving on to another bike. I will NEVER preorder another product until I’ve read reviews. So disappointed in a bike with twice the torque. It’s only beneficial in gears 1 and 2 going up a steep hill at 8 mph. My wife still blows by me up the hills.
@@georgeharvey3062 If it's actually possible to reprogram the XPremium I'm confident that SOMEONE out there will figure it out. They're probably working on it right now, lol!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that if you're the type of biker that uses the throttle a lot, this is not the bike for you, save the $$ and get a hub motor instead.
Hey Pedro! Yes, although I have not had a chance to put a lot of miles on this bike yet. Also, I have other mid drive bikes that has a cadence sensor instead of torque sensor and they are very fast and easy to operate like the hub motors. Mid drives are more $$ though so if you do need to consider if it is worth the extra $ to you.
@@tai.randomthings mid-drive motors are generally known to last longer than geared hub motors, ftw, I dont think it makes much if any difference riding on flat ground,
but extensive riding up steep hills or daily hauling a trailer of groceries, anything requiring sustained torque, the mid-drive generates less heat by controlling the amp load better.
@@johnfilmore7638 I agree...I think the new XPremium isn't for everyone but certainly can be better fit for some, like in the situations you described. I like the mid drive but I am still trying to get use to the torque sensor. Thanks for taking the time to provide feedback. Much appreciated!
My previous Ebike was a hub drive that wasn’t geared properly. Consequently the torque sensor didn’t seem to make the experience of increasing speed smooth as you had to change the PAS & gear setting through the app. Very cumbersome. The Xpremium makes you want to peddle harder. It’s like having your legs produce super powers that result in going faster based on your effort. It’s a very rewarding experience. Once you’ve mastered the combination of smoothly using the shifter and PAS you’ve reached a biking mode that’s incredibly pleasurable. The learning curve is shallow. It seems to happen like learning to drive a manual car. (Only faster) It’s a WOW factor of bike riding pleasure.
@@aubreyj.tennant1123 Good to know, I haven't had a chance to put the bike on that kind of run but will definitely be soon and reporting back. Thanks for sharing and happy riding.
Riders with a need for speed, beware!! OH SO TRUE about the need to pedal HARD! I'm a fit (for my age) 60+ 200 lb male. I pedaled so hard on this bike that my legs burned, and I still couldn't do better than 24 mph on level ground. Who buys a bike like this to pedal like an elite cyclist on a training run?? THANK YOU for getting the word out with this video! I can see a lot of guys out there thinking, "that doesn't apply to me..." Believe me, it applies to almost everyone! The XPremium is great for cruising around at 15 mph or so, but if you enjoy riding fast, get something else.
Agree, and throttle is a little underwhelming. Definitely not for everyone but to be fair, I’ve heard positives from others as well so it just depends on what you are looking for. I’m hoping I provide enough information for people like me to make an informed decision. Thanks for your feedback!
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Like motor ??
here is a link to Lectric's website. That will have all the specification information you are looking. Best of luck and happy riding!
i prefer gas powered over any crappy electric bike these bikes are a rip off
Bet you drink petro too?😅