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Understanding Frame Fit: A Basic Guide
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- An overview of the basic concepts behind proper eyeglass frame fit.
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Most opticians I’ve visited spend more time selling you frames & lens upgrades/coatings than they do making sure you’ve got a good fit. Hence me watching this so I know what I’m asking about. Thanks for posting!
I get your point - but - for a good optician who knows how to make adjustments it does actually take more time to choose frames and lenses than it does to make those final adjustments for the individual wearer. I get ya, I do, point taken and a good message to be out there. John
Not at Costco :)
@@kaelinpierceful ah yes…that modern temple devoted to consumerism & mediocrity
@LaramyKOptical thank you. Now I can help my eye doctor pick the perfect frame. Definitely switching to metal frame. Pumpkin head with big snoz here😂
In my experience, finding an optician who knows how to fit and adjust glasses is like finding a hairdresser who knows how to cut hair, just about impossible!🤷🏻♀️ So educating myself with these informative videos is very helpful. I greatly appreciate the information!
Great comparison!
I actually took a screen grab of this comment. I keep going back to it. I think there is a video in it somewhere but I can't decide for sure. Your comparison goes far deeper than perhaps you imagine. In a way overlapping skills sets. An eye for symmetry. Attention to detail. Works with hand tools. Requires some training, etc...
So true! My optician just retired and I fear I can never replace her
I been working at an eyeglass place for like 3 months now. A new coworker just told me about your videos. I've watched 3-4 videos now and am working my way through your library. I've learned more already than all of my "training" thank you John
Try the full OpticianWorks.com program!
To the man that made this video: I can't put into words how much I wish you were an optician in my area. I have migraines and it is extremely, extremely difficult to find frames that don't give me a migraine. I feel like the only person in the world that has this problem. The opticians I have interacted with don't seem to understand or believe me. I appreciate your passion for the field and your knowledge.
No, the hundreds of emails and thousands of comments I get each year means that you are far from alone. But at least consumers like you have a place to go to self educate now.
Me too!
I get vertigo and dizziness from mine. Sensitive bridge and cranial nerves. It’s gotten much better since working to get the right fit. Also I found out Caffeine makes it exponentially worse.
Omg i thought I was the only one! The years I suffered and my opticians never seemed to understand and just think its the standard sinus issue.
I am an ABO certified optician and this guy right here is teaching me a lot of stuff I have been on the technician side and have never worked on the selling side so these videos are super helpful
I've worn glasses for 30 out of the 38 years I've been on this earth & these videos have been more helpful than any optician ever has. This knowledge is a game changer for myself & my daughter who just got her illfitted first pair
your videos have been super useful! most of my local eyewear shops are staffed by people who don't know much beyond how to fill the orders
This has been the overview/breakdown of how frames should fit on someone. So many other videos focus on head sizes/shapes etc but then you see that none of them take the time to truly explain the importance of the fit
I am a consumer and I am watching the full video without hesitation. Thank you for not making it boring. Loved the part about crooked eyebrows.
John - You are an role model for all opticians. You make the presentations enjoyable and educationally productive. I have learned more from you than any other individual. Teaching is your expertise and you have so much knowledge and wisdom
Wow, thank you!
Thanks so much for the great info! All these 37 years I hv never been advised on any of this by an optician! I got a bruising many years back that left a dent & an unsightly mark on my nose.
i find you to be one of the more sophisticated people on UA-cam explaining how well-fitting glasses frame should feel AND look like. Thank you! I imagine this is so helpful both for customers and salesmen.
I think that is the first time anyone has used the word sophisticated on this channel! ;-)
THis information is better than the assitants at my optometrist! Excellent video!
I have a diploma in dispensing but have not practiced for a while, these videos are soo helpful as I want to re-enter the field. Thank you for these videos.
I am in my fifties and never has my optometrist never explained the dos and don'ts of a nice fit frame. It's time to change opticians. Thank you Laramy-K! lots of kudos for your educational class.
Same here!
GREAT WORK!! I sincerely wish I didn't have to learn of the requirements as a consumer... I have literally thrown away several pairs of glasses! Keep up the good work, God bless!!
Your the best and by far the most informative eyewear and lens buying information person on the web. You have taught me so much about what goes into buying a set of frames and lens's, And I know what to look out for now when shopping. On a side note the last 2 purchases made me realize that there are a lot of very poor opticians that don't do there job but simply act as salespeople. the first optician sold me a frame that was far too small width wise and temple arms far too short, which made me go to another business to buy another set with only slightly better results. Then I discovered your channel and it changed my life! So thank you so much.
You are very welcome.
I’m getting discouraged with frame choice and the lack of knowledge the opticians have that have sold me frames. Just returned my glasses today that I was unable to wear, the width was too narrow, making ridges on the side of my head and the reading portion was too low where I had to tilt my head back too far to read. Trying on glasses for only 5 minutes in the store and wearing them full time is a different story!
This video should be mandatory for all opticians to watch. The specsavers I went too didn't check any of this and both glasses I went for are too large for me, wish I saw this video before I had issues!
Great video my friend, lots of things to look for on my next pair
Thank you! I just started training to be an optician on the job, and feel like it's sink or swim! I need many of these basic videos. Thank you again!!
Sink or swim..lol I hear that! That’s how it is at my work 🙈 . Optician works is a great resource! 🙌🏻🙌🏻
Thank you very much for sharing this knowledge! Everybody who uses glasses could benefit from it, specially if they're planning to buy a new pair online.
When I was a little kid, my optician kept giving me glasses way, way, way too big for my face. They were constantly falling off my face, sometimes flying across the room when they came off. Therefore, as an adult, I'd constantly worry about that, so I'd ask if the frames I was trying on were the frames I was getting. I was relieved when they'd say, "This is your frame. We are taking it and putting lenses in it." However, I did get a different lens shape in my most recent glasses than the one listed on the temple. It wasn't too different, just slightly sharper, squarer edges. This video is so helpful. Thank you. It is so nice to see an optician paying attention to detail. I wish there were more like you.
John your my bill Nye optics guys. I cant tell you how you video have helped me stay educated in the best playful way!
Thumbs up on this one. Very informative. My glasses aren't working quite right and now I think I understand why.
I learned a lot from this video, thank you!
Also, I have NEVER met an optician with all this info. Every single one I've met only pick frames based on looks. Now I realize why my glasses are not comfortable after wearing for a while.
i cannot tell you how enlightening this video was. A year ago I had to start wearing my first pair of progressives and while they have in a basic sense 'gotten the job done' they are far from what I wanted and I have been so frustrated with my cheeks and brows smudging my lenses. So much so that my friends think I have some kind of OCD about cleaning my lenses--but it is only because they are CONSTANTLY SMUDGING. I won't even get into what I paid for them... ugh. I realize now how absolutely incompetent most of the people are that work at the places to help one fit for frames; even in the optometrist office. I got a new Rx literally 3 months ago and have been on the hunt for frames that fit well, going into soooo many shops. I had a pair on hold at a place that I was considering purchasing and then I watched this video--took another look at the selfie I took with them on and was like nope, those fit horribly! But the workers were giving me all the praise about how "great" they were for me. LIES... I don't trust anyone at this point. Sorry, for the rant.... I am just so incredibly frustrated and have no idea what to do to get into a pair of appropriate glassess. Thank you for this video and making me feel like I'm not crazy.
You are welcome. Constant smudging may be a combination of poor fit (face touch) and a problem with the AR or non-glare coating. Sorry you can't find anyone to trust but kudos for learning how to do it right on your own. John
Been in Ophthalmology for many years, not Optometry & have a degree in Optics. Thank you John for the info & especially for your humor.
Thank you for watching, Catherine!
Very helpful, I recommend everyone to watch these videos before going to see an optician.
Very educational and informative with humor. I feel like I am in a class for opticians in college. Kudos.
I'm not an optician myself, yet still very clear and useful explanation. Thank you....
This was an amazing video, thank you soo much for this detailed explanation. Stay safe and god bless you sir for sharing this valuable information on glasses. I’m new to spectacles and I learned a lot. Wish I had found your video sooner.
Thank you! I'm about to try my first online order, and this will prevent some mistakes I was about to make!
Iam Sandy Stephen from India.Great Lesson Learned from My Beloved Teacher💖. My first Progressive lens (+1.25)for Long Sightness Age 45/Purchased from a Optical Shop. I have no knowledge about frame Selection but got a good one with the help of them, but I am afraid of choosing more styles of frame because of my ignorance. Now I am Confident to choose the frame of my likeness because of your Valuable information & Guidance in this Matter. Your Video Explained very well on this Subject. Heartful thankful for your Hard work for Helping in this Subject 💖🥰👍
I'm a consumer. And, this is a GREAT VIDEO. Thanks
This is out-of-world presentation skills!
Must watch for every optician and for every person who wants to buy glasses.
Wow this video is gold 🏅, extremely educative
You’re amazing I can’t believe this is free, subscribed!!
This video is insanely useful. Thank you so much!
I'm just watching this because it's entertaining!
Very good explanation of frame fit👌Ears are never exact symmetrical, some opticians think so. I adjusted the temples of my MIKLI using warm water : full match with eyebrows 👍😎
I love your videos, you remind me SO MUCH of an amazing trainer who used to work at "The Picture People" he had so much passion for his field it was infectious. He taught his craft with a touch of humor as well
Thanks!
Pefrct guide, thank you so much for this! Informative, in-depth and well illustrated
Wow. That was a terrific presentation. We learned a lot.
Thanks for watching, Oskar!
thanks. i appreciate you taking your time to make this video
LOVE YOUR VIDEO! and also your vibe! Keep making videos like this! They are super helpfull for new ODs !
Thanks! Our hope is to start the dispensing series in early 2021.
You explained things so clearly and well :) 😎My current eyeglasses are too small and are giving me pain so I'm going to pick out new ones, yor video will help me choose ones that fit my face. Thank you so much!
Thank you for your time
You are welcome.
Very informative, thank you.
I just like the technical aspects of glasses though I am not from optometry background. I am getting a new Eyezen lens and obsessed with oblique aberration, chromatic aberration and the tech behind it! Thanks for sharing.
You are great!!!! My live changing stuff from you! God bless you!!!
I am realizing just how badly my optician training sucked whenever i watch your videos 😣 soooo many great lessons (presented concisely and clearly) on optician BASICS. Love it 👍
I agree with you SO much that the very first thing you need to look at is FIT, not fashion. Funny enough, I found the ‘fashion’ and styling part of being an optician the HARDEST part of the job, as I hate sales, and I also have no eye for, or care about, fashion at all 🤣 you could say I was in the wrong career lol 🤣 anyway, I would have literally no idea how to answer women’s questions about their ‘colouring’ or ‘face shape’, so I would just over focus on the analytical& objective ‘does-it-fit’ mindset when picking out frames for patients. However I was ultimately so uncomfortable in sales and the frame styling part of it that I ultimately left the career after 7 yrs 🙃
Well maybe if someone had also taught you that frame shape-face shape and color matching was total bullshit you might still be in the game. Trying to do the impossible makes for hard work... (but yeah sounds like it really wasn't the job for you - since it is all about sales) John
Laramy-K Optical 🤣💯 omg I LOVE this answer 🤣 👏
Honestly though you have some mad optician skills and I love your teaching style. It’s so frustrating in retrospect how poorly my Optician program was run !!
@Laramy - I love your response!!
I've worn glasses for going on 64 years now, and I have a really out-there Rx with very high power for far-sightedness and mucho astigmatism - and now I'm in progressive trifocals. (No discount lenses for me - I can't tell u how many times I've had a lab screw up my lenses!) When I was a little kid, glasses were super ugly, and I hated mine til I got into college and could buy my own wirerims (thank God for John Lennon for shaking things up). Now I can afford several pairs at a time, ranging from normal to ironic or very funky.
I often find frames online that are edgy and inexpensive, but sometimes not exactly the right size. With a good optician who knows me, I can compensate for the low markup on my frames, fudge the frame size a bit, or even use antique frames. This video gave me a window into my opticians' brains, solved some mysteries, and helped me to know when I can push the limits on fit for fashion. Thanks! Maybe you could make a newer video covering some of the pitfalls of fitting the new big, heavier retro-fashion frames...
We have many, many videos on the pitfalls of the new "dinner plate specials" but fashion sometimes overrides common sense. Sounds like you are having a blast playing so keep doing it! Nothing wrong with the one-off pair for the party or the vintage pair for that one outfit. But - keep the oversized stuff for special occasions and keep the daily wear -"as small as you can get and still have a proper fit." Sounds like you found a great optician BTW.
I don’t look at eyebrows (FYI I do not work with prescription optics therefore it may be different, but my company originally trained us to take several considerations when fitting customers such as: fit, eye center, base curvature of frame/ lens, rake, etc (when fitting frames) I usually behind my placing frame (open temples) on table ensure they are “even” then I turn upside down to make sure or adjust to a level height. I then examine on my client and make sure eyes (pupils) are centered and explained I have made the needed adjustments in 15 years (off and on) I have had 2 people not satisfied and come back to see another employee for an adjustment (in my defense the 2nd one was bc I was out of the industry for 4 years before returning PT bc protecting everyone’s vision is literally my passion and hobby! I get paid to make people look good AND hopefully educate them on the importance of vision care at all times)
This is very helpful. From my personal experience, for quite some time, recently, I was given different glasses, with slightly different prescriptions and could not understand why they were "wrong" and have come to realize that it is as much getting the frame right as getting the prescription right. My personal bugbear is the nose bridge, with many opticians trying to tell me they can "alter" frames where the nose bridge width, of the frames they offer, is too small. On the other hand a too wide nose bridge width can be a real disaster. I was recently given frames with a large nosebridge. The frame, overall, fit nicely, mainly because the lens frames were a bit on the small side. The result was that the lenses were too far apart and everything looked like I was reading inside a bowl because, apparently, when the lenses are too far apart, there is a bit of a prismatic effect (according to a source online.) So trying to get the refund for those! Furthermore, only recently did I realize that my nose bridge is slightly high (in line with just above my eyebrows, compared to many whose bridge is more inline with their pupils). This seems to result in the need for a slightly larger bridge width, but, as importantly, it also requires consideration about the frame style. A nice large round frame, just doesn't work for me because it ends up with about a third of the glasses above my eyebrow (ok, a bit of an exaggeration) so I either end up with the glasses down my nose, or being pushed up too close to my face). I have yet to meet an optician who has given me any advice about a high nose bridge and how it affects frame shape choice as well as nosebridge width.
"...when the lenses are too far apart, there is a bit of a prismatic effect (according to a source online.)"
Not sure I agree with that --- Maybe --- but when made correctly the lenses are shifted within the frame when they are cut so that the lens should be in the proper place and not create any prismatic effect.
Sounds like you should look at Silhouette 3-piece frames. Customizable for bridge, temple length and the shape is entirely up to you. Find a place that does A LOT of them and the optician there working with you should be able to create something that addresses all those issues. Expect to spend A LOT but you are creating (almost) a tailor made pair.
@@LaramyKOptical Thanks for the response. So, it could have been an error when fitting the lens in the frames.
Laramy- K thank you, very good explained...
Great video, thank you. I realized I have never been to a great optician. Always had glasses not fitting properly and/or my eyelashes touching the lenses. At least now I know how properly fit glasses myself. Thank you for the educational video. 👍
You are very welcome. John
Amazing interpretation, hyper detailed
Thank you so much, best regards Mr LARAMY
Finally I'll get a frame that actually fits.
The opticians in India are not competent at all.
Great content. Enjoy your vacation!
Thanks so much!
thanks for the guide!
You are welcome. John
Thank you
Very informative! Thank you.
This guy is the first I've seen to mention eyelash touching lens. I was wondering what the solution is and seems like his recommendation for adjustable nose pads is one solution. I didn't know about having lens cut further out, so that is something I could mention.
Say it again for those louder in the back FIT not Fashion of course trends are important we all want you to look fabulous, but we want your eyewear to do their job as well! Sure ask a friend for an opinion, but listen to the advice of the EXPERTS as well! It’s about looking fabulous but most importantly a properly fitting frame with correct lens coverage!!! #Preach
Additionally do get STUCK on specific “size” aka width of glasses.. there are other factors AKA lens is one size, bridge width is another.. then you have rake, base curve, temple length AND materials bc some materials are able to be customized a bit more than others please allow the experts to fit you if the feel they are able.. if they keep suggesting other options- it is for a reason be open to listening and understanding the reasons they make alternative suggestions or suggest alternative materials. Example if I can get a great fit but an acetate (plastic) frame has temples that do not meet your needs we might suggest a combo or metal frame (IF it meets is functional for your lifestyle) but any frame with metal temples and a cover we have optical tools and are able to actually able to customize by using tools to trim the temple cover as well as the metal inside that cover! Please let us assist you in getting the perfect frame that works for your needs AND looks beacon YOUR face bc we make sure it is perfect for YOUR needs, eyes, lifestyle, and VISION needs!!!!
So informative! Thank you for the video.
Love this, I am going to share it with my class coming up!
Thank you 👍
Great information. Tomorrow I can confidently choose my new frames (and lenses) knowing what to look for. In fact, I could teach a class now with this new knowledge. jk
Man u are fabulous 👌 any one in ny u know is good
speaking of minimum seg height (18), i also require that the patient has at least 9 mm from the fitting cross / center to the top of the frame for distance viewing (10 or more is ideal, 9 still ok in my experience). whether or not the frame has nosepads makes a huge difference in deciding if these factors will cause me to reject the frame, due to adjustability or lack thereof.
NB (LDO)
love your videos, you are an expert !
This is very helpful video. Thanks a lot.
I'd love to get a new pair of Rx sunglasses made by this gentleman...
I appreciate your vote of confidence! Any good, experienced, optician should take care of you just as well.
Love this!! thank you for your effort on this videos
Thanks for watching!
Thanks, learned so much
Good stuff! Thank you so much for the great content!
I really enjoy the content you provide all the videos are really cool I am an optician and I want to enter high quality handmade glasses
thank you for such an informative video!
You are welcome.
All optical stores should show this video. Not just have their sales guy push sales for frames that don't fit worth a crap.
Good information. Thank you
So helpful Thank you!
Great lesson!
Great info..
Good afternoon. I added to bands to support the temples. Now the glasses do not slip but I feel this nervous-like sensation of having the frame against the space just over the nose. Might this be due to the fact that I am missing support on the nose (there is that space you mention in the video) and the pads are part of the frame. Not real pads, it is one pair of plastic ones. "Hugo Boss" they say lol Thanks in advance, love the content.
Hi, love the videos btw. If a pt has low sitting ears (and uneven ears!) how do you go about adjusting plastic frames to get the optimal pantascopic tilt? (When the frame is parallel to the ground there is already positive pantascopic tilt). Cheers!
Depends on the frame. * Heat at the chassis end. *Bend at the hinge. *File. *Massage the temple. With plastic you have to get creative. Sometimes it simply can't be done or you have to induce Xing at the bridge.
This seems so simple yet my Costco optometrist messed it up, then Costco sold me a 140 temple with a narrow nose because I was uneducated. Thank you for this video.
You are welcome. Sad that the changes needed in opticianry will be forced from consumers educating themselves. Oh well... John
Vertex distance should be part of this guide for high prescription customers.
No it shouldn't be. BUT - It will be part of the video titled Frame Fitting Advanced which we are developing now. 95% of day-to-day sales don't require any thought to vertex. And well eyelashes touching is another way of saying vertex so I guess it is in there. ;-)
I made a mistake and got my glasses one size to big . The optician did not bother to help me at all. I'm very mad . The glasses themselves are really well made in Italy . I can see great with them on . The lenses are 52 . I should have got a 50 or 49 .
Concerning your three graphics under the heading, "Width is easy YES or NO," can there be slight deviations from that "YES" graphic and yet still have a great fit?
As long as you don't have temple impressions left in the side of your head yes I suppose you have some wiggle room there. Lot's of big guys have to compromise a little sometimes.
Great video! Can you please make a video on how to take measurements (PD, Seg. height etc.)?
The dispensing series is set to begin recording early 2021. We have a great optician lined up to act as my assistant and role play optician/customer. Our hope is to see them start rolling out mid-2021. John
Thank you!
5:10 every one of my glasses bought at retail opticians are like this. At the age of 13, my head was significantly larger than almost all adults. When I started riding motorcycles, my helmet had to be special ordered.
It's weird that online stores HAD the larger frames I needed. I live in Southeast Asia. People here are small. I'm not big or tall. Only my head is. 😁
where in NYC can I find someone trained by you? I’m desperate to get a good fit. I’d be so grateful. Thanks.
NYC is one of the few places where you should be able to walk into just about any optical and get a good fit. NY still has some high standards for opticians and just sheer volume alone means the cream rises to the top. Look for a independent shop and now you know what to look for!
@@LaramyKOptical Thanks for the reply! I'll try out some of the independent shops, but I think you are overestimating many (though surely not all!) of them. Within each store, there is probably an expert or two but I feel like it's luck of the draw. In any case, thank you so much for making content so that I can now be informed. For the last few years, I've suspected that my progressives were fit terribly and now I know they were too narrow by A LOT. I so appreciate your work. All the best!
You didnt mention also where the eyes sit in the lens area. I know sometime the frame would be a perfect fit but the eyes would be too much near the "nose-side."
yeah this would be great
I have had over 80 pairs of glasses (regular and sun) over my lifetime. Before cataract surgery I was a -10 with about 2 diopters of astigmatism and a 2.50 add. I am Asian with a little bit bigger head and flat face with a very shallow nose bridge. I have only had one optician ever offer to special order a correct fitting frame. Everyone else just wants you to choose something “off the board “ or try to make something work that’s a compromise. I understand the pressure to move product and turn patients-like a waitress in a restaurant-but at times it feels like they are just trying to make a sale as fast as possible. Sadly my go to optician became a frame rep.
If Heisenberg was an optician, he would be this guy.
We need to get him a hat. ;)
Wow! What a fantastic and informative video!!!
I must admit that I was fortunate to have 20/20 vision or better most of my life ... well, until I hit my 40's!! Then my distance vision quickly began to get pretty blurry 😌 .
I am so very glad that I ran across your video!!
I always feel I have a difficult time finding glasses to fit well on my small face - many of them appear too large for my face (to me !) and a few pair I've gotten that I thought I really liked but simply were not comfortable for long periods and a few have even slid down off of my face if I bent my head Down. I'm
Getting ready to order a pair of glasses online but this will be a first for me - every single pair I've had thus far , I've always received from the Eye Doctor ! I do feel that some of the optometrists have certainly been helpful but after watching this and thinking about some of pretty imperfect fits of glasses I've had , I have to wonder if all of this criteria was considered .
Thank you so very much for sharing your knowledge on this important subject ! Now, We should all see 𝑒𝑦𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑒𝑦𝑒 on this matter ! 😁
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Don't overlook kids frames if you are a petite gal. Not all of them are kid colors, kid branded etc.
@@LaramyKOptical yes, thanks for the suggestion - I have definitely looked at the kids frames as well! Many of them do actually fit my face better . There is often a "petite" frame class now as well, at some places. Once again , thank you for all the great info ! 😉
Love all info
Thanks for your comment and thanks for watching!
Thank you
Also John should rock the aviator / Walter White style