THIS will change how YOU RECORD GUITARS! Never DOUBLE TRACK again!
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2024
- Tired of double tracking all your rhythm guitars? 😕 Better watch this!
Today German producer Kristian Kohle combines several techniques to create a convincing sounding artificial double track! You play once and create the double track automatically. Sounds too good to be true, right?
The pedal used in the video:
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The guy who showed me the polarity trick @hoborec and the course where does that and a lot more
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#guitaramp #guitarrecording #metalguitar
00:00 Intro
02:56 The Guitar Rig
07:46 The Task
08:39 The Polarity Trick
10:20 The Magic Pedal
12:32 The Combination
13:29 Additional Tweaks
15:55 Replacing both Amp and Cab
18:43 The Final Result
22:29 ABCD Comparison
Convincing enough for you guys? Let me know!
Super convincing indeed, but you know how much of us laptop shredders you would amaze actually trying to achieve the same only with plugins. A video on that would be awesome. Hats off for your work sir!
@@FlyingMachete take you're DI and spectrum match it to another guitar. I found free multi tracks online and used those , I have the spectrum of a bare knuckle aftermath and a Seymour duncan nazgul . Anyways spectrum match then flip the phase, into a new amp and IR that are close in character. print you're amp tone then flip youre phase again. Use two different amps and IRs but make sure they are close enough to compliment each other rectifier and 6505 are great combos as well as driftwood purp nightmare and a 6534+ ,all amp sims . But this method works well I've tested on two tracks already
If you "un-delay" the Mimiq double tracked emulation signal a few miliseconds, you'll get a more realistic/balanced double track effect.
Mimiq's algorythm adds random pitch and delay changes to a copy of the original signal (higher "tighness" values add longer ms delays and wider pitch differences), but it will never add a negative delay (as that is "scientifically" impossible).
So the idea is that you "record" that processed signal into a track and then zoom in untill you can compare peaks against the original signal side by side and move the audio clip back a few ms manually until they are aligned somehow (some peaks will happen before the original, and some will be after, that's the sweet spot!). This way you won't get the typical "unbalanced" volume effect that results from our ears perceiving the "sooner" signal (original DI) louder.
When you do this, the double track effect is undistinguishable from a real double tracked recording. You can't do this live, but it can easily be done when recording with this quick post-processing trick!
Try it out and let me know what you think! 😉
I'm not a big fan of polarity switching, as it can cause phase and/or mono compatibility issues.
I also recommend to repeat this process 1 track at a time with the same settings. You will always get a totally different resulting double tracked signal from the same original track, as the MIMIQ pedal's algorythm is constantly applying random changes. That's why it works so great when used live!
you said one track and I hear bass ;)
The riffing and some of the drums bass all mixed in sounds a lot like 'Bloodbath - Eaten'! That is a compliment!! 22:15 - both my grandmothers are dead, so are my grandfathers...lol Although, my great grandmother was around until my 16th bday and I just barely remember my great great grandmother when I was 4!
Ahhh Metal. The never ending journey to the unobtainable perfect guitar tone. When you think you’ve found it, you hear someone else’s guitar tone you want more.
The Sisyphos part of every metal guitarist‘s life 🤪
True! That's why I gave up metal guitar. I unwittingly witnessed Dimebag/Pantera in a tiny bar with only 3 patrons,counting myself. Afterwards,I could never get a bigger,better monster tone. My guitar sighed like an un-fulfilled woman. So now I just play blues or country🤣
especially when you fuck around with your settings and forgot to save them...
I fell for it for so long too. As an amateur everything… (musician / audio engineer / everything like everyone else these days) … it was ridiculously grueling. Because trying to get an engle sound on zero money will basically just ruin your soul. Lol.
Everything is pretty different now… we can afford at least some of the best stuff even pros use these days so better sounds can be achieved easier at home now. But chasing tones like Danny Carey’s drums from Lateralus and guitar tones from super expensive studios and meshuggah and all that… yea. Not so easy in garageband in your parents basement on like, the worlds cheapest shit.
Anyway, moral of the story is now when I listen back to my old recordings… literally the only music that still stands was the stuff I recorded that was just all me, and using whatever tone was quickly inspiring and worked.
Most of anything i worked on back then in which I tried super hard to get super modern “great” amp sounds and such all sound like a kid exploring shit he doesn’t know… and not so musically compelling.
The songs I thought were so cool that it didn’t matter much how i recorded it, but rather needed to get down the flood of ideas I had… those are some of the only ones that still stand. The song is just too cool to remotely care i didn’t shave off the top end sizzle-slush in the distortion. It literally doesn’t matter in so many cases.
And honestly some of the absolute best tones i got, were just totally me and almost haphazardly. I would obviously try to record pretty well no matter what but yea. I really really recommend people just being themselves. Don’t chase anything too much. Your creative self will get lost. It really will.
There’s nothing wrong with making sure you have a great sound but do it in chunks or something. Work with others who will help. Get feedback. And stick to it for a while and only change shit if you actually hear a change or it genuinely sounds bad. Let others bother with the super microscopic stuff.
Never DOUBLE TRACK again!??? ..... Glenn Fricker will be Furious.....
Isn't he always? 😂
Never double track guitar again on your songs with drum samples.
I’ll let him know!
@@KohleAudioKultTell him that preamp tubes color the sound and see if he pops 😂
I don’t really think Fricker is running a recording/studio channel anymore. It’s more of personality show.
I come here to actually learn how to record/do it better.
Not a dig against Fricker. It just feels less and less recording focused these days.
One of the oldest tricks they used to do stereo reissue of mono records back in the day was to just filter the LH & RH channels differently, and usually complimentary. Like scooping the mids in one channel a bit and boosting them in the other. Or if you have a graphic EQ, boost one band and then cut the next, doing the opposite on the bands on the other channel. That kind of forms a comb filter and you get a pretty wide effect without even any time domain stuff.
Well, you just made my fucking day. Do you know how long I have been trying to do this?!
Years. Goddamn years. Over 15 fucking years. And now you just saved me hours.
Same here man! You’re welcome! 🤘❤️
22:29 Reference
22:35 Polarity trick
22:41 Mimiq pedal
22:47 Mimiq + Polarity
22:53 Mimiq + Polarity + different amp settings
22:59 Mimiq + Polarity + different amp settings + different mic position
23:05 Mimiq + Polarity + different AMP
23:11 Mimiq + Polarity + different AMP + different CAB
The Mimiq (even alone without the different amp/cab/settings/polarity) sounds a tiny bit looser than the reference but that makes the sound a little more open. For less technical/fast stuff I think it's even better than double tracking.
My only issue with that is I prefer the old school sound where both guitars don't play exactly the same way, ala 90's Slayer where you clearly hear it's not the same guitarist on each side. Plus you can add depth to your song with harmonizing or playing a different version of the chord etc. Not the actual standard, but I hate the modern sound.
Yes Bro ! I love the real sound of two guitars playing two different things. But this maybe Will be an alternative to records guitar alone sometime. Sorry my english
@@Chiavenatto Anyway Mimiq + different amp is a perfect solution for live one guitarist bands 👍
Shouldn't your Dry knob be completely to the left for a unity gain signal?
What you do is still record a left and a right track, but use this to make sure you've got two takes of the left and the right for every single real take.
My takeaway is even if I didn't use the mimiq, the "added chaos" techniques are still valid for widening the stereo field of the regular doubled guitar tracks.
Sure!
I not only appreciate you showing us this technique, but just how many ideas/steps you've showcased! Amazing!
This is awesome! Thanks so much for the shoutout and huge kudos for taking it so much further 😍
I forgot to add the link to you and the Kourse! 🫣 will do now
@@KohleAudioKult damn youuuuu
While I like the idea, I think recording doubles is essential for a good perfomance. I think this is a technique that works well for emergencies, but the stereo image on a real double track is just better and more natural.
I tracked with the Mimic pedal once that was going into 2 different Orange amps/cabs. I remember we kept the tightness at zero because we couldnt find a setting that worked as we wanted. However, the 2 amp setups already did enough. This was on leads though. We double tracked the rhythms.
I enjoyed the periodic updates on what was going on with the back of your chair.
I just want to say I really appreciate the amount of time and effort you put into doing videos like these -- you're a really great teacher. I think I liked the the results with the Black Star reamp the best -- at least to me ears. Once again, thanks Kohle!
Thanks for the kind words!
Interesting idea: with the polarity trick an SD-1 might have more effect because it's clipping asymmetrically.
Keeley also makes the 30ms pedal which is an automatic double tracker and could be used to do the same and also comes with standard chorus and reverb for about $80 more. It's only got one output jack, but I think it can work in stereo and will split the wet and dry signals with a splitter cable
This seems very useful when putting out livevideos of a band with just one guitarist!
I use a Mimiq live and have recorded demos with it. You can definitely hear the phasing and lose some bottom end. I’ll try a couple of these ideas and see if it makes a difference live!
I love that pedal! I've never stopped using it since I got it! It's fantastic! I run the output from the MIMIQ into a MOOER CAB X2.
Also, you should try putting two different OD's, and EQ's through the MIMIQ. Follow that with different speakers for each track.
Very cool! To add-revoice apt works pretty good, if you have it. My favorite thing to do is set up loop points and play the part till I’ve nailed it at least 2x, and do the protools magic from there. I’ll have to check out the polarity thing. 👍
Great to see you taking this further. I don't mind recording doubles, but quads not so much, especially on fast picky riffs! I would certainly appreciate a time/effort saver like this! 😎
For Quads this should be even easier! I don't think I will record quads anymore unless someone forces me to.
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Congratulations, your the first person I've ever seen or heard to obtain a truly convincing double. In fact I think your final result was even better than the true double .
Amazing and bewildering 😁👍
This is so dope you got one! I’m so glad you tried one out when I suggested it on the phase video. I love mine live, guess it does work for recording as well.
I forgot to mention I was actually inspired by the comments. So thanks for that!
@@KohleAudioKult I've mentioned this pedal as well. I'm glad you heard us!
The Mimiq is great. I use mine as a signal splitter going into the front of a Victory Super Kraken and a Mesa Badlander in a stereo setup. I set dubs to 1 because in stereo you don't need to fake it. Tightness is set around the middle somewhere. One amp gets the dry signal and the other gets the Mimiq'd signal. If you turn down the dry volume so you only hear the Mimiq'd amp, you can hear what the effect is doing. It feels like it's almost adding a couple milliseconds delay. It doesn't hinder your playing, but you can very subtly feel it. Of course, the whole point is to have dry and wet both up and running into two separate amps. It sounds colossal. And it's not just great for metal sounds. It adds a bit of width to a clean sound before it even gets to reverbs and delays.
I have a mimiq on my board and I use it in a two amp set up. Love that little pedal!
Sounds pretty damn good. Sounds a bit like most of the note information is on left, on headphones at least. Would love to see a Driftwood cab vid.
I actually tried recording one side of the mimi (mono) into my daw, and running the other output (stereo) into another amp pedal ( Horizon Devices Apex Preamp) and recording that on another track to boost the volume. It sounded huge!
Fantastic! I get something similar with Dimension Expander by Xfer Recrods, haas effect and a little M/S eqing (Aplly DX and use a HPF on the side , then use haas to recreate the feeil of double track, especially in the low end area) I use this approach specially to practice with headphones
I do this when playing live (I’m the only guitar player in the band). Dual amp setup, stereo out with Helix LT and at the beginning of one side I use the Double Take (which is pretty much the same as Mimiq). I haven’t tried the phase switch tho, that can be fun. Thx and cheers! 🍻
i´ve been using the mimiq direct to my interface, running the same amp in both channels BUT with different settings and different but close enough IRs. I´ve been doing that in the past 3 months and it is a great way to streamline pre production and composing new stuff. the final product is really close to the final product, but half the workload.
Amazing vidéo ! Thanks !
Awesome video, thank you for sharing this idea!
I went to the store today after watching this and checked out the Keeley Electronics 30MS Double Tracker pedal (only thing close they had).
It lets you do this (minus polarity trick) in real time while you do your original take, using a TRS output cable. Sounds equally good, very flexible options for dialing it in!
I didn’t even know it existed. Thanks!
AMAAAAAZING VIDEO. You rock man, thanks!
Amazing result! Excellent if you have only one track to work with. It does beg the question whether or not it is faster than just playing it twice, what with all the experimentation. Gtreat Vid!
I’ve been trying to do this for a while too. I had some luck with the mimiq after my drive pedals into two different amp heads. 1 solid state, the other tube. I read somewhere that one produces even order harmonics and the other odd. Definitely going to add the polarity trick and see how that works.
Done almost all of that, cept for the phase flip in and out. Never heard of that before. I've done it most of the time the super old school way. Where you can't get the guitarist back into the studio so you use the guitar sound, come out of your monitors, mic your monitors, use a different preamp, and Bob's Your Uncle!
it sounds awesome! and it's also great for mixing live sessions in my opinion.Thank you so much! I can't personally try this because I don't have the gear, but it would be awesome to try this on a guitar solo (I've just listened to "i'm broken" by Pantera, that's why I'm saying this :P )
This is quite amazing!
John Browne (as the only guitar player in Monuments) uses the Mimiq model in the Helix for quad tracked guitars live.
Rabea Massad also used the Mimiq for his Toska project, but since got rid of it, because he thought it sounded phasey.
I'm also the only guitarist in my band and I'd say I have a pretty good stereo setup going in my modeller (Quad Cortex, always running two different amps and cabs).
It seems to be more than just a sample delay.
So... should I try the Mimiq?
How big is the difference between different rigs with and without the pedal?
I'd love to see that.
Also I think I might update all my patches to make use of the polarity trick.
These videos are gold, especially for one guitarist live bands, danke!
Game changer!!!! KILLER JOB, F... AMAZING!!!!!
I absolutely love this approach, but one thing I've wanted is to do a similar thing with vocals, and I learned a trick doing it with vocals that I was able to back-port to guitar with similarly good effects. With vocals you don't have a guitar amp and cab/IR, but what I found is you can also do the vocal doubling trick using a VERY short reverb IR, and doing the phase flip trick before and after the IR. And then all the normal slight EQ/compression moves to create space between the original and duplicate track. And you can also use the IR reverb trick with one of the guitar tracks too, you just have to make sure the reverb IR you use is VERY VERY short.
Super! I personally use the twin tracker on the torpedo captor x and works great! I use this technique when I want a big mono sound you know. I always do real double tracking anyway because it sounds more natural in my opinion. Many times I play differently between left and right guitars. I record alternative rock by the way. Cheers
Used Mimiq Doubler in live settings with Tonex direct and the on-stage amp, panned left and right. No complains… 😬
I use the mimiq as my signal splitter from the guitar, then one signal goes into an amp and the other into the headrush. 2 different amps varied by the mimiq. I also use the double track option on the Captor x.
I have a similar approach to faking double tracks, except i use a shallow water set on 100% wet with no gate and extremely subtle modulation. I reamp the signal with only that pedal going through whatever amp and it gets me where i need to be.
I use this pedal in live and recording. Being part of 1 guitarist band it's awesome. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
Great hack!! This one is a keeper 🤘🤘
i often use some tricks with the mono to stereo plug in on cubase and i obtain a convincing result. but this pedal and tricks are absolutely a step forward to perfection and is very very usable :)
You provide the most useful tips and you've really helped me man. Thank you. We need to get you on some new riffs though because I've heard this same riff for years 🤣
Haha! Maybe it’s time for a new riff, I agree!
@@KohleAudioKult and you're clearly capable of writing good riffs, tho a new one won't hurt hehe
Awesome vid. ❤
I loved the guitar tone, but, man, your bass tones are sick!!!
🤘❤️
Man, the final result is very convincing!
I use the Eventide Deco to split my signal in two with a reversed phase on one side and then I go into the Mimiq. That way, I can record or play live with two different preamp (Friedman pedal et Carvin VLD1) into a stereo power amp and 2 different cabs with greenback and JBL, and different mics (57 and 421). Sometimes I can ear phase shifting with the Mimiq but it does a good job. Even better with a very small pitch shift using the H9 at the input (up and down).
Hey, this gave me some ideas, thanks! So I did an experiment and managed to make really convincing stereo guitar tracks from a mono DI totally in the box with amp sims with no audible phasing or artifacts.
Here’s how:
1: Flip phase on mono DI.
2. Drop the pitch 2 semitones (in Ableton I used the “Complex Pro” algorithm, but I think most DAWs use the same algorithm)
3. Resample or bounce your phase flipped, pitch-shifted DI.
4. Raise the pitch back up 2 semitones.
5. Resample or bounce it.
6. Add amp sim, flip phase again and pan.
I even used the exact same preset and cabinet settings on the amp sim on both the left and right tracks and it still worked, I am guessing because the re-pitching algorithm somehow adds enough variations that it eliminates audible phase issues. I also tried putting the LFO tool on Voxengo’s free Sound Delay plugin to randomly sweep the delay settings on the new DI by between 0 and around 40 samples, and it also works but is very subtle.
I'd like to hear if anyone else can get similar results.
So you detune then retune your di before the amp sim ? What about after the amp sim ? I will try that.
@@AndJesusSayWTF I just detuned it and re-tuned the DI before adding the amp sim, but I did leave it out of phase, re-reversing phase after the sim. It appears that the pitch algorithm is not able to perfectly reverse whatever micro-changes it originally made to the waveform when pitching it down, and those subtle differences seem to be why it works. The reason I didn't do it after the sim is because I assumed the distortion would sound weird. But maybe not! Let me know how that works out.
@@nikht0 No, you're definitely correct. I've done the same thing; it works. I found that even one semitone either way works fine. Mind you, the problem is that pitch-shifting plug-ins have unfortunately gotten too much more accurate over the years and the 'micro-changes' you mention are getting ironed out. I just use an ancient BOSS Pitch-shifter pedal and the result is exactly how you describe.
@@maxduncan4473 I didn't use a plugin, I used the re-pitching/time-stretching tool that comes with Ableton Live, which is actually licensed from Elastique. (I used Ableton Live 11 and for now at least, it still works). Other DAWs that have the exact same Elastique tools built into them are Logic Pro, Cubase, FL Studio, Reaper, Bitwig, Tracktion and Cakewalk. It's pretty cool that this works so well, eh?
Sounds even wider than the actual doubling guitars omg. Good stuff!
Great video! I was thinking on gettin a TC Mimiq doubler, or a Boss Metalizer. In the meantime, i've achieved a good double tracking sound using a Line6 POD HD Desktop, very good results, but the thing is i depend on using the parallel preamp modeler and the cab sims for now, maybe if i use 2 separate IR loader it will get a little bit better. I think it's possible use only the effects and getting good results, i'm using a Pitch vibrato in one of the amps. On the past, I've done this with the POD X3 too, it's possible, but takes you on a path to frustration for various reasons.
Oh man, this might be a game changer! Thanks for all you do to share this awesome information!
I HAVE ONE OF THOSE! Amazing for recoding Guitar.
Nailed it man! Anyways different L & R tones are desirable for mixing. Im gona try it, thank you!!
Scooping and boosting your mids using two amps and cabs with an A/B pedal and then reversing which ones are scooped and reversed and re-recording another signal path and then blending those with everything else that you're already doing
If you have the cabs, amps, mics, inputs you could just track it with mimic pedal and save yourself the reamping. Or just record the mimic DI and run it through an amp sim plug-in.
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Love this pedal!
Sounds f-N killer with your combination
Cool, will look into Mimiq! Thanx!
I have the Mimiq pedal and is awesome, live is a godsend when you have only one guitar. But I strongly recommend to check out the DOUBLER plugin by Nembrini Audio. It blows the Mimiq out of the water, you have more control and the slight timing and pitch changes happen on both channels (on the mimiq is just the right channel affected, the left is the dry signal).
If you set it to 2 dubs, and turn the dry all the way down you can make the Mimiq affect both the left and the right signal simultaneously
Ehhh it looks like the Nembrini doesn't really do the exact same thing the Mimiq does when its in stereo... another UA-camr did a deep dive into the specifics and the Mimiq does some real crazy shit with the outputs left and right, not merely just delaying one track or another. Unless you'd wanna show that the nembrini can do the exact same thing then idk.
Very cool ! I'm very curious about trying this pedal since I heard about it. What about mimiq with two differents amps and two differents speaker but whithout polarity trick, for a live situation ?
I've always panned hard left hard right. Off set them slightly with timing, detune a few cents in melodyne and change the IRs. It seems to work unless I'm missing something.
That was absolutely amazing!! I wonder if we use amp Sims, with different cabinets, and maybe even different styles of overdrive Sims, we could maybe get a similar result?!! 🤔🤔🤔
nice now please give us Brunetti profile for Neural amp modeler so we could try it lol. I might buy it actually. No one modeled that amp yet
This pedals been out for yonks. I was going to get one years ago. I generally use 2 different guitars for tacking, One thing extra you could do is used a chorus on one but set at a level you don’t really hear. That really changes up the waveform for extra width. 💪🏻🤘🏻
UNREAL 😎Cant argue with them end results🍻🤘
When you did the back to back at the end, I actually liked the fake double with the different cab better than the reference!
You’re not the first to say this!
I’ve had a really cool idea involving the Mimiq where another guitar player and I would both play through a two amplifier setup to get a quad-tracked sound in a live situation. I feel like it would be a really cool setup for a live situation in order to create a massive live sound.
I’m sure I’ll run into issues here and there but I feel that it will be a really interesting way to make a live set sound even bigger than from just playing through one amplifier. 🤔 blending different amplifiers, different speaker types, etc.
I attempted something similar with an aby pedal when i used to play live. On my side i ran path A into a Marshall head and a peavy cab. Path B went into an engl head and a Frankenstein cab.
Our other guitarist ran his into a bogner head and a Marshall cab and his other path into a peavy head and blackstar cab.
Not sure if it really sounded quad tracked but you couldn't help but grin uncontrollably when playing through either rig lol
I bought a Mimiq pedal when they first came out for my stereo setup. I have never used it for recording though so this is exciting.
Same here
Do you run two different amps/cabs as well?
How much of a difference does the pedal make in addition to that?
I might get one for live shows as well, I'm the only guitarist in my band, already running a stereo setup.
@@josuastangl7140 Yeah I use two different amps/cabs, One a little brighter and one a little darker. I used to split it through a stereo chorus pedal until the Mimiq came out. Made a huge difference sounding like two separate guitars.
@@jgmopar damn maybe I have to get one.
John Browne of Monuments uses the Mimiq model in the Helix live for essentially quad tracked guitars.
Interestingly enough yesterday I tried some stuff with the Mimiq and a Digitech HM2 (intelligent harmonizer).
Basically you can plug your guitar into an HM2 and get harmonized guitars in stereo, you can put a Mimiq after that to slightly offset the original guitar and the harmonized one.
It does an ok job, specially if you're in a live situation and don't have a second guitar player.
The HM2.
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He made that last video and I commented about using the tc electronic mimiq in a pinch and for scratch tracks and how well it works, I feel so validated 🤣 I only use it with emulation plug in and I’m super interested in getting a re amp box to mic my actual rig to see if I can get it that extra 10 percent, great video!!
Thanks!
The comments about Mimiq under the last video inspired me to check it out! 🤘
I mixed a live show (and then the recording of it) in which the guitar player was using a Mimiq to drive a second amp (so different amps, cabs and mics). During the show it was not perceptible, but in the recording the guitar sounds like there's a flanger on it, all the time. It impressed me, but not in a good way. Next time I'll check his settings, maybe it just needs a better set up.
can i thank you for the nudging trick for the 2 mics !!! its awesome !!! completly changes the sound
You’re welcome! Next week there will be another video about this. Stay tuned!
Revolution happening! Great as always
Sounds damn good and convincing. This seems like it’ll make life a lot easier with recording not so experienced people in the studio. Getting like takes without editing it to all hell just doesn’t happen. Also for those who really want quad tracked guitars this seems like a better route to go.
Also, people complaining about phase… literally one of the “best” mixed albums of all time the black album has phasey guitars all over it so….
" literally one of the “best” mixed albums of all time the black album has phasey guitars all over it so…."
That doesn't invalidate their concern though. What if they hate exactly that sound from the best mixed black album?
What I do to do this is have 4 stems, 2 are high pass filtered and inverted/flipped opposite to the 2 un-high pass filtered stems. I then on all 4 of them zoom right in and move the right speaker guitar stems slightly to the right to technically be ever so slightly out of sync to the left ones. No panning or phasing required. It sounds like 2 guitar recordings plus goes from left to right and sometimes (due to the quieter inverted high passed stems) right to left on occasions. No fancy plug ins or anything. Just trial and error on my own to work out a way!
Uh, I‘m excited to check this out later today.
Been chasing this fake double/stereo sound for years and Mimiq finally got me there. I use it in the loop of the Axe-Fx, placed before two different amps and cabs and it’s awesome. I have a short sample on my channel (sorry for the shameless plug
When i discovered the mimiq i wasn't able to afford it so i tried stuff and figured out that a panned delay (with supershort time and low feedback) on mono guitars sounds insanely good! dry gtr on one side, fake double on the other, no need for fancy plug ins, any delay can do the job!
It is called Haas trick and it will sound phasey in mono, as you don't change the source signal, only shift it a bit
I have this pedal. It’s really great!
Also using the a b pedal scooping and boosting your mids
Interesting, I never knew about this polarity trick! Also, I have the Mimiq Doubler, I do wonder if it works best post or pre stereo effects?
Well done mate. Great job. Just have to work out how to do it with only software now lol
Next level! 😜
Very cool. Thanks for sharing, sir. Grandma says hi back!
So i tried to mix some of the last videos. :) I slaved my 6505+ into a Engl Artist Edition poweramp on 2 tracks with Mesa cabs. Then by using the flip phase and Mimic i created track 3-4 with a Marshall amp/cab. This is the first time i really liked blending amps from one di. Its like quad tracking but without loosing attack. Then i took di 1-2 again and re amped through a new amp/cab with Digitech D drop in octave to blend in slightly. So all in all 6 tracks and 4 amps from 2 di tacks. This was more of a test but the cool thing is that it works without the normal phaseproblems.
I feel the Mimic works even better like this from 2 to 4 tracks since it seems to add up to like 20 ms delay.
Sounds like you’re having fun! 🤘🖤
I had this idea of a pedal that does exactly what the mimic does 5 years ago.
Seems like I was on the right track. glad that it's out. :)
The driftwood Cab/speakers sounds good. Interesting.
If often helps to think about the MiniMoog Model D, 1 oscillator = sound source = good, 2 oscillators = good yet with some phase, 3 oscillators? Excellent. Matt Pike may have discovered something similar with his 3x amp stack setup.
would be nice to have the wav files of the guitars to compare in our daw and do some tests. That pedal sounds like using micropitch from eventide with subtle settings
Question Here when you revamped with the mimic did use it in stereo on pedal or did you reamp them separately through the mimi
This seems like it's worth it if you only have a single track to work with. But considering the time spent dialing in amps, reamping, moving mic positions, etc., it seems like in many situations it might be easier just to play the part multiple times. Of course, that's not always an option. And for quad tracking, I think it's definitely justified. I'm going to order that pedal.
It usually takes days to do a proper rhythm guitar session, to play all the doubles perfectly.
Moving a mic and twisting some knobs takes me three minutes.
Absolutely mind blowing!! 💀🤘 Also, great to see a company like Driftwood using Celestion G12V-60's in their cabinets! 🤘 I have an ENGL 4X12 loaded with those speakers factory installed and they are great! - Not too common even for Celestion, but I first heard about them back when Silenoz of Dimmu Borgir played them, coupled with an ENGL Savage SE. 🤘💀🤘
Thanks man! 🤘❤️
But I think the Engl V60s are very different speakers! They just share a part of the name.
@@KohleAudioKult Hold up, are you saying that there are 2 types of Celestion V12-60 guitar speakers?! 🤯🤯 Comparison video!! 😆🤘
Yeah it’s pretty close. The copied side has less low end and the real take sounds more pronounced still but this is a great mix idea for a single guitar band when playing live. Petrucci uses the Mimiq with two heads and speakers live
See Kohle's experience as always priceless! Thanks 2 you a lot, Man!
But I don't think I'll ever would rid of doubling my guitar tracks naturally - this is the only way to learn my songs properly and tight 😂😂😂
Fair enough! It’s e good exercise 🤩
I can well imagine that the stage will be a little more open with the "Toneforge DI Match" plugin.
Cool, you play a Fernandes. I have 2. A Retro rocket and I think a old version Dragonfly from the 90's