Top 10 Black Sheep JRPGs -Part 2-
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- Опубліковано 6 тра 2019
- 10 more JRPGs that are considered as black sheep in their families. Do they deserve the title? Let's find out.
Intro theme by The Legendary Zoltan.
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"... they loved to grind their asses on it" got a hearty laugh out of me :D
Exactly what I was going to post. ;)
Same
Me too kkkkk
I love your channel, and I think it is because of your genuine enthusiasm. Even when you talk about games that are terrible, you are still excited and interested in discussing the genre and games. You are never lazy, you don't phone it in. Keep up the good work!
A great video, as always.
Tales of Zestiria was actually the first Tales Of game I played. Didn't like it back then, but, strangely enough, after playing other games in the series I somehow feel better about it
Thanks. Yeah, it's nothing special but it's still a decent game.
@@ErickLandonRPG i dissapoint tale of zetria why ! because isn't story and character problem. the big problem that's games is gameplay clumsy. i explain if not CS you can't combo but worst it's camera is piece of shi** in few place in building or narrow place camera is misplaced. and plus l'ia ally is stupid because her die easely whatever boss or ennemy because he put too much time long to heal or to attack or to defend therselves. that's doing is worst tale of in term of gameplay while tale of symphonia instead good gameplay, ia camera.
Zestiria was my first Tales game as well and I loved it! Put over 50 hours into it, blissfully unaware of the criticism and controversy. My thought is if that's the worst game in the franchise, the rest will be life-changing.
Man, I miss the Ar tonelico series. AT2 is easily one of my favorite RPGs on the PS2 because of its unique active/tactical battle system. They should remaster the original trilogy for modern consoles and PC, but I doubt it'll ever happen
Shadow Hearts music through the first 30 seconds
I loved Zestiria hahaha I didn't even understood the critiques people made when it launched, I was happily playing it
Another great video. Love the use of Covenant’s battle theme at the start.
Thank you.
I Loved Dragon Quarter, there were a few hiccups that made it less enjoyable some times but the concept, the lore and the battle system were enjoyable.
Great job on that video! I couldn't choose better myself! I played Dragon Warrior 2 last year (the SNES version, though) and I had to grind about 10 levels (20 to 30) to survive the last area of the game!
Definitely the next video in this series you have to include Unlimited SaGa.
1st. Good job. Keep it up.
I loved playing Koudelka. I just beat it December of last year.
Thanks
I was hoping this list would be coming out sometime soon :) was a nice surprise to see the list uploaded for viewing today nice treat thank you for the upload. Question: @Erick L Obviously we are all here as we share your love of rpg's and jrpg's :), however Is there another genre you really love and adore? aka fps or open world or platformer? All the best as usual and thank you for the time these quality videos take.
Thank you. I love fighting games and enviornmental puzzles. Also some old platformers and hack n slash.
@@ErickLandonRPG Neat to know thank you for sharing :)
Xenosaga 2 was really fun. I think it the learning curve that put people off. It not simple. I learned the game's mechanic after getting stuck to a boss. You have to do some kind of air or ground combo to the enemy to get big damage.
Great call on that shadow hearts music
The thing with Xenosaga 2 is I think the difficulty was designed around doing all side quests. It’s still fairly challenging then, but the quests give you very important skills that help in defeating enemies, or good ethers to help you survive. It doesn’t exactly recommend you do the side quests though, and there are people who don’t like side questing at all. And finding the quests and how to do them is very hard without a guide. I love it, and I’m kind of a completionist, but I can see why people dislike it... except for the battle system, people complain about it only because they can’t understand it. Like I said, the quests give you abilities to hit weaknesses a lot easier, or obtain skills faster, but the game doesn’t tell you how beneficial they are. A lot of them are very tedious too, so it can really turn people off.
Just found your channel. Love the content. Would love to see you do a top 10 action rpgs for ps2 (can also include ps1 and ps3 games). Basically all the non-turn based ones that are good. Thanks!
It's old, but I hope it helps:
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Man you are incredible, it seems you are inside my head when making these lists, I´m currently playing Ar Tonelico Qoga and I´m loving it, albeit I prefer it turn based like the 2 first titles (especially the second one which the turn based system is great and very original), Shadow Hearts From The New World, aside from the story everything else is far above average, especially the battle system, by far one of the best I´ve ever played and I played a LOT of turn based RPGs.
Sweet!!
Have you played the Agarest series??
Thought to maybe give the PC version a try but some find these games way to grindy.
Yeah, I've played them and yes, they're total grindfests, haha.
@@ErickLandonRPG Fun gind or a job bending paperclips kind of grind?
Disgea post story content is all grind and its pretty fun up to a point.
Also that might be a new list for you to make.
10 of the grindiest jRPGs.
Or maybe two lists, one for fun grind and one for boring grind.
Loved this. New subscriber here
Before I begin the video, you know it's going to be a good video when Shadow Hearts battle music plays
Tales of Legendia is the REAL black sheep of the Tales series!
Exactly, and you beat me to it!
A series this big has a bunch of games some people (like you) consider a black sheep. I chose Zestiria, that's all.
Legendia is my favourite Tales game.
Interesting list! Regarding Xenosaga II, I honestly feel it is only on a list like this because of how *outstanding* Episodes I & III were. I really think that I & III are all-time greats (both are easily "S" tier IMO) so naturally, any drop off was going to hurt a game like II. I'd give it a solid "B" ranking though. The story is still superb and I loved how it focused on Jr. (one of the best characters in the series for sure). It's still solid enough.
15:30 - idk, Edna always had me laughing at some scenes
I'm currently playing through Xenosaga Episode II for the first time and so far (just beat Ornus Stronghold), I cannot get why people consider it a step back from Saga I and not a step forward.
The combat is complex, dynamic and fun, the art style aged MUCH better, the sidequests are a great addition, it has actual in-game music and the cinematic score has the blessing of Yuki Kajiura and seeing characters further fleshed out is always nice.
Realy, the only issue I see is some new VAs feeling a bit miscast, but that's nothing to split hairs over.
I only had an issue with late/end game pacing. I can't quite explain it but the game itself felt like it turned into a turtle that went back into the shell. Felt like all the grinding in the world couldn't get your team ready for that last dungeon.
Combat was terrible... and each battle took forever witch the obligatory combo and break system ...
From a big fan of the Xenosaga series and Xenogears.
It wasn't the art style, even if I like the first one better. I never hated it, also I never found it as difficult as people say. The only thing I can't beat was the third optional boss.
Now, what I hate about it was the changes to the combat system.
They got rid of the deathblow system. That was the iconic fighting system for the series.
I found the letter system to be boring.
Also the level system wasn't my favorite. I have nothing against using a system of buying abilities. It was just every character was the same. So it made them all blend together.
¡Excelente video, como siempre! Una pregunta: ¿igual recomendarías jugar Tales of Zestiria? Me llama la atención, pero he escuchado muchas críticas negativas. ¡Gracias de antemano por tu respuesta!
Lo bueno de jugar juegos que ya tienen críticas negativas, es que siempre los juegas esperando lo peor. Y sucede que el juego no era tan malo a como te lo esperabas. Así que ya vas preparado, por lo tanto yo digo que lo juegues ;)
Grandia Xtreme! I played it a lot when i was a child, i really loved it! it has unique battle system and interesting skills
Lufia from DS is too my favorite one!!!! It has great graphics and gameplay!! I had to bought it one day, because I once dreamed that I was playing it with my brother and enjoying THE HECK OUT OF IT!! I was so happy in my dreams!!
I just beat the xenosaga trilogy, literally yesterday. I did feel the second was the weakest in of the three. My only issues were how long the battles were while grinding. I love farming for skill points and exp in jrpgs but this one was a bit tedious. Other than that I thought the game was pretty great, difficulty felt just right.
Zestiria has a LOT of design flaws but on your 2nd run when you can use the special gear and the normin to do characters builds it becomes really fun.
I would love to see a top 5/10 digital only RPG's
I gave up on Xenosaga 2 after that first impossible boss battle. It was some kind of large robot, mech, or tank i think (fuzzy memory). I felt stuck there and couldn't even grind to level up.
Ha, I'm playing Tales of Zesteria right now! Its not the best tales game, but I don't have any complaints about it.
I agree with you on Xenosaga II: it should not be considered a black sheep of the franchise based on difficulty spikes and minute changes. Also, I would love for you to do an entire review of the series.
Now I remember the name of that brutally hard and frustrating game on ps2 "Breath Of Fire Dragon Quarter". I never played breath of fire before, however this game threw me for a loop as a kid. Usually I could figure things out, but this game was unforgiving and tedious.
It wasnt neccicarily bad, however being limited on Saves, and the Boss fights requiring insane grinding to survive kept me from playing more than 3-5 hours.
Yeah, not a bad game, just hard to get into.
I actually think breath of fire was one of the most fun games I played when I was younger. The story was good and I didn't mind the challenge of using your dragon gauge sparingly. Mainly saving it for the final boss and for when you really really get cornered. It brings a different sense of suspense knowing you don't have an unlimited supply of power you can just spam and beat the game. High risk high reward and lots of planning and strategy has to go into the game and that's what I enjoyed about it
Lover of Dragons Quarter over here.
I agree with you 100% on the Shadow hearts series and the last game. I stayed away from "From the New World" for a long time. Then I finally played it and it was a good game, though not as good as the previous two.
I wanna see a hardest/longest sidequests video 🙂
If they ever make a new Breath of Fire game for console, they should call it Breath of Fire 6.
Xenosaga II... Battles were not too bad but maan, those boring sidequests killed my fun...
Erick how far did u get on dragon quarter? And what do you like and dislike about BOF 5?
Any chance of you doing a video about games you'd like to see remastered/remade?
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I loved Zestiria,
Despite it's many flaws
I'v just about completed all the Dragon Quest games and have been a fan for a long time but imo, I gotta give the black sheep to Dragon Quest IX. Yes, I get I know this is a favorite for a lot of people, I actually played it not too long ago to see if it ages well, this was the last DQ I played too in order to complete the series. If you say this is your favorite DQ, IT'S MOST LIKELY your first DQ and nostalgia is part of it or it's the only DQ you have played. (Again, not saying everyone but in general that's what it seems) but here is why.
Pros:
The music is nice and a little on te mellow side like DQ7.
The story is was kinda interesting, the best thing about the game imo.
The final boss has the most backstory compared to the other bosses that are just evil demon lords.
It keeps the traditional open world exploration.
Cons:
Your party has no personality, they took the old style of Dragon Quest III where you would hire recruits. (and that was THE ONLY problem I had with DQ3) So the fact that they brought it back was kinda disappointing especially how they made much better characters in the Zenethian trilogy (DQ4-6) along with 7 and 8. See it was more acceptable when DQ3 did this because of the time it came out and the series was trying new things and when it didn't work out, they made better games but since they went back to it, it ruined the experience of going around with real people.
The character building is so poorly done. Firstly when you swap vocations your base level restarts back to 1, making the game more grindy than it already is. I understand DQ is suppose to be a grindy series but this just makes it tedious.
Speaking of grinding being tedious in the game. The amount of XP you gain is based off level. Usually in the DQ series a Liquid Metal Slime would give about 10K XP on kill, if you try to kill a LMS on level 1 from your other party members aiding you, the other party members would get the 10K and the one that is level 1 would get about 2-3K, which is RIDICULOUS.
In DQ6-7, in order to get intermediate classes, you would have to master 2 beginner classes, which is fine because it's a consistent way of building a character you max 2 classes and you get a hybrid class. In DQ9 in order to get an intermediate class you have to do a quest in order to unlock them and they feel like chores to do. Why not just give us the class in the first place? Why can't I earn it like in DQ6 and 7? It's horrible.
You don't get skill points on every level up so you hardly even feel like your characters bare progressing that much.
The skill abilities that you could learn like Kazing and Multiheal take way too long to learn.
DQ2 is not so bad if you play it on the Super Famicom translated or on the Gameboy Color, english NES is an outdated port.
Also RIP to the Lunar series, Dragon Song was horrible.
Can someone please tell me the name of the game that appear at 0:44?
I played not even an hour of Xenosaga 2; the battle system was so needlessly complicated, I just didn't want to bother with it. I do like the art style, though.
But it's so much _FUN_ once you get a hang of it!
My favorite black sheep game is Phantasy Star III for the Genesis. Incomplete (usual tale of development woes) but fantastic setting and premise.
I remember the days before Zestiria when the black sheep was Tales of Legendia.
For me the main problem with zestiria was how equipment work it was like a mini game on its own
i really like shadow hearts new world. i think they are right about so much changes atmosphere vise but some charactors lack the presents that alle the other games charators had. i do think it could be dark like in the Chicago story
Did you play Crossbell games? trails from zero and trails to azure with fan translation, all 7 previous trails games are needed to start trails of cold steel 3, so do not be in a hurry when launching, more if you hurry already in the prologue you will understand why they are necessary .. .. or not understand? Why is it strange and confusing?
As far as I'm aware the real black sheep of the Tales series is Legendia.
honestly ar tonelico not appearing again is not because the series is dead because of qoga. but because the series closing with 3rd game and they decided to wrap up the world story at novel released only in japan. and it's bandai namco copyrighted title too not gust sole project.
that's why ciel/ar no surge tell the story at separate planet. and it wrap up at ar no surge too with ion accomplishes her purpose.
i can see it become new ip again but if they decide to do that. but they will make lot of world setting again. and it wouldn't come anytime soon with how it sells.
People are to wind up in "direct sequels" I for one regard Shadow Hears 3 as the same level as the second one, and in fact I preffer the third than the first one! I think the change of pace was a much needed breath of fresh air!! And the story has it's dark moments sometimes too. And to tell the truth It was the first one I've played in the series, so It's probably the reaseon a receive it with more open arms!!!
I love Dragon Warrior 2; I got up at 3 am before school to play it
My only problem with Dragon Quarter is that they removed the most cool gameplay feature: turning into a dragon. I could stand anything else, that's what killed it for me
You could still turn into a dragon but bad things happened if you did and that's what killed the game.
@@ErickLandonRPG exactly :(
Is it bad that, with the exception of Grandia Xtreme, I own all of these? XD
Actually, From the New World is the game that got me into to Shadow Hearts, and Lunar DS aside, I say most of these are either good or even great games :D
I think what most lufia fan base see as the black sheep on the series is the gba lufia, i forgot the name though, and as for the ds remake of lufia 2 i think it isnt much known to the world and most gamers didnt know that such a remake.
If you'd like to give Dragon Quest 2 another try, play the SNES remake. It's redesigned to be easier, and you get way more EXP and gold for each monster. It really makes it feel less tedious. Of course, it's still a classic JRPG, but it's a lot more bearable than the NES version. I think the GB version is the same as the SNES version, if you insist on playing an officially localized version, as opposed to a fan-translation.
I kinda dread playing some of them... Zestiria is at the very least passable, though. Tempest, however (which you can play with a patch on an emulator) I find completely horrendous, but it might be the emulator. I tend to play DS games physically whenever possible.
On Xenosaga 2 i don´t forgive them for taking Xion glasses of and the sidequests
It took you a while to understand the hate for Xenosaga Episode II? It's called, "Winnie the Pooh voice acting in the English dub." That's pretty much it. Well, maybe that and the game's main plot is only about 20 hours long and the game was still full price when it released. The first episode was closer to 50-60 hours, by comparison. You're right--it's a great game otherwise.
Also glad to see Shadow Hearts on this list. I own all of that series and they're legitimately pretty awesome games.
P.S. Zestiria is fine. Skills/equipment are too hard to optimize, but even if someone otherwise hates the game, Lailah is bae and that alone saves it.
Episode I is only around 30 hours long, what are you talking about?
Plus, the voice acting is not even bad. Sure, some VA changed were unnecessary, but so far for me (just beat Ormus Stronghold), I haven't encountered any obviously bad performances (heck, I feel chaos was better-cast in ep. II) and the returing actors are as good as in ep. I.
@@Skallva You know what, I was going off my times for my first playthrough of each game back when they originally came out in the early 2000s, and I'll admit I play through RPGs more slowly than average. Even still, web sites that track statistics like time to beat have episode 1 at 40 hours average and 60 for completionists.
They list episode 2 at 29 hours average and 51 completionist, so it's still ten hours shorter than episode 1 by aggregate data regardless.
chaos is better in ep 2 and 3, yes. Momo is not, and it's mostly a function of the VA not realizing that Xenosaga was not a Saturday morning cartoon for episode 2 (or that Momo is not actually mentally a small child). By episode 3 pretty much everything is fine again, even with the new VAs.
I'm not saying I don't like episode 2, but Namco sent me a trailer on a demo disc way back in the day that gave me high expectations for the story and I was let down by the delivery in some parts. I'm definitely not a "subtitles purist," type, but just watch this trailer and tell me it's not on another level compared to the English dub:
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@@Nyonics It's still much less time than you made it out to be. Plus, Saga II takes on average 55.5 hours for a completionist playthrough, going from the same site you used your statistics from. That category includes stuff like level grinding, anyway, so it's not even worth discussing. What IS worth discussing is that doing all side stuff adds extra 8 hours to the game so the main story may be shorter, but the game still has Saga I's longevity (which only had one real sidequest that wasn't segment addresses and 2 hidden bosses).
And honestly, I hear very little difference between Saga I and II MOMO. If she sounds more childish, then good - she *IS* a child and was one in Saga I as well (don't try telling me giving Ziggy his cutesy nickname wasn't childish, or wanting to see 'mommy' or 'daddy').
I mean, I get Shion and KOS-MOS (those two definitely feel at least a bit miscast), but c'mon. MOMO is far from the worst offender.
@@Skallva You're right that completionist categories aren't worth discussing, since the bulk of the time it takes to play episode II is sidequests and optional stuff, which you wouldn't know yet since you haven't finished it. I hope you have fun with Mikumari and the e-mail contest bosses. In fact, maybe the best way to illustrate the difference in plot length here is not even average time to beat, but just compressing the game into plot-advancement and cut-scenes:
Episode 1 comes in at 7 hours, 9 minutes.
Episode 2 comes in at 4 hours, 28 minutes, 10 seconds
Episode 3 comes in at 8 hours, 42 minutes, 32 seconds
...all by the same guy on youtube. It's a pretty obvious difference. Episode 2 is simply not as long as the other two games in the series are. Some people also consider it kind of a black sheep because the story focuses more on Jr. and Albedo and treats KOS-MOS & the Gnosis like an afterthought, whereas the first and third game focus heavily on KOS-MOS and the Gnosis. I actually liked where they end up going with Albedo in episode 2, but I won't spoil it for you. If I was going to criticize any game's story elements, I'd pick on some of the stuff that happens near the end of episode 3, which again I'll kindly not spoil for you.
Also, yes, Momo is nails on chalkboard in episode 2. Yes, she's sort of a child, but she's also an information library. In the first game, she acts like an information library with childish qualities. In the second game, she acts like she doesn't belong in the Xenosaga universe, and can't be bothered to take anything seriously. But this is only true for the English dub.
We may have to agree to disagree, which is fine, 'cause when I made my initial comment, I didn't know you existed, and wasn't talking to you anyway.
@@Nyonics
Sidequests are still a part of the game, no matter if you like them or not. Sure, Saga II may be shorter in terms of the main story, but it's still a fact that if you plan on expriencing as much of each game as possible, the playthroughs of Saga I and II should be about similar in length.
And nope, still not seeing what you mean. If anything, it seems more like a writing issue, but even with that in mind, MOMO's character was not established strongly enough in Saga I that she couldn't get a bit more childish later on.
I guess let's agree to disagree, though... ouch. That last sentence hurt a bit.
i hope you finish off dragon warrior 2 some time. though play the ps4 remake, it has some important quality of life upgrades. the main issue with dw2 is that it's actually pretty open world, so it becomes a "what do i do now" fest. however, if you look at an faq for a couple milestone points to give you a little direction, it's fun to be able to do areas in different orders.
Im one of the few people who like xenosaga 2... but I think its definitely a black sheep, and i think the changes made were mostly stupid, and Im PISSED that monolithsoft cut the series from 6/7 games down to 3 because they expected better sales for 2... but with the changes WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?!?!. AAARRRRGHHH MONOLITHSOFFFTTTTTTT!!!
I think that was Namco's decision not Monolith's.
@@bladeofmird ehh. Well yeah probably. I still think it was caused by silly decisions made regarding 2 though.
They really should reattempt the series now that anime-inspired RPGs have a much larger audience now.
@@Ghalion666 There was a rumor sometime ago that they were remastering the trilogy but we haven't heard anything since.
@@bladeofmird not really a rumor. One of the big names behind xenosaga said he was interested in it and there was a petition for it. But like all petitions it was useless.
@@Ghalion666 Ah you're right there was a petition!I totally forgot about it!
I played Tales of Zestiria and it was my first game in tales of franchise. I don't hate it. But I don't like some things in this game. 1. Gigantism. It was really uncomfortable to explore caves and dungeons, because they was huge and identical sometimes. 2. Story. After playing some other games tales of, I realized, that main feature of this franchise is story. Plot is just changed version of story: Hero Demon King. You can find some unexpected twists, but they can't change my opinion of story. 3. Main character. Well, He is ordinary guy. I didn't find anything interesting in him. Yes, he grew up in village of seraphim, have some hobbies and interests, but he isn't shy, troublemaker or cool guy, he is average. I didn't find something similar to pesonality grow in game. 4.
The main villain. After defeating secret bosses who was abnormally strong and pretty ridiculous,(Turtle man, Phoenix, and Rose) I was disappointed in him and his 2nd form (Maybe because i played normal difficult). But in the end i liked this game for acquaintance with Tales of
Xenosaga 2 was my first turned based rpg
Somone who also loved Ar tonelico 3 i am happy to see that
I do prefer FTNW for Shadow Hearts because the battle system was perfected. I want a Shadow Hearts game that has lore from SH1 and gameplay that's FTNW.
Let me guess you got stuck against that Schizophrenic chick with blue hair on the second disc in Xenosaga2? Or was it against Margulis?
fanservice is life soooooo of course no-one complain about that, it is one of the best and most incredible qualities of Japanese rpgs, and everyone in japan cries for fanservice WORKS OF ART
Dragon quest has multiple black sheep, and people argue which one is the main one. Some say 2, some say 6 and others say 9 and I’ve even heard 7. Each of these games have their own problems which can kill the experience for the player
nothing wrong with 7 just never came out in europe and ps1 was dead when it made to NA isn't 9 the MMO that is awful
Well I don’t know what exactly is the main problem of 7, but I know the 3ds version has a game breaking bug in the end game. As for 9 it’s not the mmo, it’s the ds game that has a major focus with multiplayer, you can play the game without other people but the entire game your entire party is all silent. They used the old party system from 2 and 3 where you recruit people but they have no plot relevance. Some people have a problem with that. Others don’t... so it more comes to opinion 😂
I've heard 7 is just a 100-ish hour game stretched to about 180 hours somehow. You don't encounter enemies until 3 hours in, don't level up until 10 hours in, etc.
Erick looks a lot like Lin Manuel Miranda.
The lufia games on snes were great
*Sigh.* Dragon Warrior II was released in the days when RPGs were designed to last months before you beat them, so it works if you assume you're meant to put it down for a while. A number of NES/SNES RPGs are like that (several SNES RPGs seem to have taken inspiration from DW II or III) but this is the most extreme example.
I'm surprised Legendia got beat by Zestiria. Because in my opinion it was far more of a black sheep than Zestiria.
dragon quarter is a great game!
I liked everything in Zestiria except for the story. It was pretty cookie cutter if you ask me. Other than that, I loved the battle and even the world.
i would say dq2 is one of the best but yes i have the same problems with it you had
I love Tales of Zesteria. It was getting so much hate. Tales of Zesteria is a great game.
I liked frandia 3 as well for some reason i liked the battle system
I have all 3 xenosaga games and all the ar tonelico games and ar no surge and yes certain ones are different than others and i can see how some people wouldn't like that but i think theyre all great unique games. I can respect that they may wanted to try and change things up so you don't get the same exact game over and over and sometimes when developers do that it works and others it doesn't or is so-so. But i still think these 2 series of games are amazing
How are the Xenosaga games?
Well, hope you like 20 to 30 or minute long cutscenes for one and each game is very very long and hes right about the difficulty spikes. Theyre in all 3 games actually. I haven't beaten any of them yet but they do have really deep story lines which can seem weird and have a lot of religious elements to them at times. The 3rd one is the most sought after and the most expensive now sadly but totally worth getting at least in my opinion.
@@glynnedwards1776 Is there a single definitive ending to each one?
I honestly haven't beaten any of them yet unfortunately. I tend to get to a certain boss or area and get stuck cause either im not leveled up enough or prepared right and get my ass handed to me and after a while i just save it and cut it off for a while. Im better at some rpgs than others i guess. But i keep wanting to go back to them cause they are fun and have great stories.
@@bustergundo516 some of the greatest jrpg known to man
4:42 wow
If I may, on its own, xenosaga 2 was a technically very good game, the extremely frustrating part for xenosaga fan was more the lenght and how little the main narrative advanced. The narrative was excellent, it has some of the best moments in jrpg history, the problem is it completed episode 1 rather than add substantially to it.
The simplest way I can put it is they took the climax out of xenosaga 1 episode and sold it as a sequel.
The thing is, I'm not using hyperbole, that's litterally what the developper did, they realised xenosaga 1 was too long so they separated it into 2. Once I realized that (wow 14 years ago, time sure flies) everything made sense and I couldnt unsee it afterward in all the gameplay mechanics
Why is it a black sheep? well, try to find 1 person who finished xenogears from start to finish, appreciating the deep story and characters for a good 45-60 hours, who then finished the main storyline of xenosaga 2 and said (It's over after 15 hours cool? color me satisfied.)
It doesn't suck by any means, that's what so frustrating, its that it could have been so much better, man in a perfect world, xenosaga 1 and 2 would have been 1 satisfying complete introduction to xenosaga and then who knows, we would have seen 5 other epic instalments.
Xenosaga 2 focused more on albedo and rubedo
Its disappointing that the "Xeno" games have lay dormant for so long. The atmosphere and blend of challenge and interstellar space spectacle made it quite a unique set of games. They were as gripping as Star Ocean and had gameplay mechanics unlike any other.
@@sherrdreamz7232 yup episode 1/ and 3 have the best system
@@demetriuspowell29 Yeah, if only they had done that developpment in Xenosaga 1 like they were originally supposed to.
I friggin' loved Xenosaga Ep. I and III, and basically can't stand II. The battle system is so stupid in II for no reason. They changed so much of what made Episode I great. I basically forced myself to do a boss fight for over 3 hours so I could get Jin's swimsuit, because I knew I wouldn't play it again. So much of that game disappointed me. I guess it was the same for others, that's why there are only III.
The series deserved so many more games. There was an amazing story, great characters (chaos is one of my all time favorites,) and amazing graphics. So sad that it had to end early.
Xenosaga 2 wasn't a bad game by any means but I didn't like that the character art changed an the battle system. Oddly enough I only beat the game once an moved on while the 1st an 3rd I played an beat a few times when they first came out.
im gonna like the vid first.. then watch it later.... cause im sure its gonna be good anyway...
A new Shadow Hearts. Bring it.
Have to agree with Zestiria...I rented the PS4 version from Gamefly once ( I occasionally get to use one of the PS4s my sister & her husband have ), but I just couldn't get into it for some reason. I honestly can't put my finger on why either....but I didn't make it too terribly far before I sent it back, maybe 10 hours give or take.
also why do people keep saying Xeno franchise like gears, saga & blade are all the same thing? Xenoblade is it's own franchise altogether with only a few similar themes & concepts and the occasional cameo ( like KOS-MOS & T-ELOS being Blades in Xenoblade 2, or the same game having costumes & such referencing the saga trilogy & gears out of respect for Monolith's prior work )....gears & saga do share a LOT of plot details & characters though, so I can get how those are seen as 1 series but Xenoblade Chronicles it's completely separate. Unless somebody at MonolithSoft makes some very official statement saying otherwise, I simply can't see them a 1 single franchise ( especially since Xenoblade is a Nintendo franchise, Xenosaga is a Namco-Bandai franchise and Xenogears is owned by Square Enix.... )....
I was glad they never used Xenosaga II characters designs again.
Unpopular opinion: Tales of zestiria makes it's prequel tales of berseria a masterpiece for pate's sake!
Lunar Dragon Song, to add insult to injury it was not only the first JRPGs on the system but a very early DS game. And we all remember how terrible the early days of the DS we're. Lunar Dragon Song was sooo bad I spent more time with Ping Pals and Feel the Magic XY/XX. When it comes to bad first JRPGs on a system I'd rather play Beyond the Beyond and Orphen Scion of Sorcery over the turd that is Lunar Dragon Song.
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I kind of have a soft-spot for these maligned games! Especially the PS2 JRPGs where the main criticisms were either "It's different!" or "It's not Final Fantasy X/XII!"
in my list Suikoden IV would be there, Dragon Quest IX instead of II, Dark Souls II and Kings Field 1
Hmm i like suikoden IV
What part the game you didnt like bro?
I hear its the lowest rated but i kinda enjoy it
Suiko 4 is on part one.
@@andishiddiq5076 Its not a bad game by any means, its just that the Suikoden series is a really strong one, at least the main series, but on second thought I pick the DS one instead of IV even if it is a spin off
@@ErickLandonRPG Will check it out
The Nintendo DS has quite a good number of black sheeps.
There is a good thing to say about Persona 1: If the worst game in a series is the first one it is a good sign. It means that things got much better over time instead of decaying.
Exactly.
I really thought you would put Tales of Legendia on this list, I loved Zestiria to death and never saw anything wrong with it, I guess that's what happens when I stay away from the fan base and just enjoy the game for what it is.
Well, I loved Legendia to death and saw nothing wrong with it :)
@@ErickLandonRPG I guess I'll give Legendia another chance, the only reason I didn't keep playing might have been the Oresoren, they made me cringe. :(
Ahhh, moe characters. They're always there in JRPGs even in the form of weird-ass animals.
@@ErickLandonRPG Right, and I am usually okay with them, but the Oresoren were special.
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i belong to a minorati who likes the breath of fire dragon quarters. but i think also it gets some ekstra points from be because. at the time i played a lot RPGs but very often stopped toke a longe break and then when i got back had to start over. in Breath of fire DQ that was more often then not a good thing because you unlocked more storyclips you could keep 3 pieces of weapons accesories and cloths from where you ende, you had 2 kinds of XP one directly going in too your charactors and one in sort of a reserverbank you could use at your on convinens. yes that you had the damn counter that you could not do anything about except hope you reached the end before 100%. and you only and had one dragon to transform in to was bad. but the rest. i got to say i dont get the hate it gets for it
I didn't like Zestiria because when it came out I was playing Tales of games multiplayer with my wife and son. When you fuse to 2 characters it gets boring to play with 3 people. Never beat it.
So me, never having played a persona game (despite having a copy of the 4 and 5) listening to him tell us its trash and how bad it is, and all I'm thinking is "man this music is BUMPING!!!"
DQ2 sure is the black ship on the series.