You might be asking yourself what's the difference between a standard romantic waltz theme of 16 bars and a standard classical minuet theme of 8 x 2 bars (16 in total with the repetition). The difference is that those 16 bars of the romantic waltz are considered the minimum, as they are usually repeated, up to 32 bars. Hence, romantic waltzes can easily double the number of measures of a classical minuet, but since waltz is usually a much faster dance, the average duration is about the same for both (2-3 minutes aprox. depending on the type).
Firstly, I just wanted to tell you this is a great video, and your piece is by no means bad. However, I don't think it is quite "Chopinesque". I think the reason it doesn't sound quite like Chopin is mainly because of the cadences. When he utilizes a half cadence, he (most of the times) hangs on the dominant and accentuates it, for example Op. 64 No. 1. And for the authentic cadences, if is a weak one, he usually uses a progression like ii(IV)-V7(V)-I, and for strong cadences something like I64-V13(V7)-I. He rarely (although sometimes he does) uses a simple V chord, he instead uses V7 or V13, and the V13 is quite a characteristic one, more so if you accentuate the mediant in the melody. I think if your work around with these cadential concepts, everything sounds much more "Chopinesque", even withoyt utilizing turns and grace notes. These are just some of my observations though!!! I really liked your piece.
@@esprit-critique Apparently he was, or at least, according to the contemporary polish writer Kazimierz Wójcicki, he enjoyed dancing the waltz as much as he enjoyed playing it. We can't know for sure how good he was as dancer though, but given that the waltz wasn't considered a hard dance at that time, it didn't take much for an average person to master it. This is the source from where I took that information: McKee, Eric. 2012. Decorum of the Minuet, Delirium of the Waltz : A Study of Dance-Music Relations in 3/4 Time. Bloomington: Indiana University Press.
Whoops, that's actually B.133 not B.131, my bad. It's usually referred to as Waltz no. 18 in E flat major, B. 133 or KK IVb/10, depending on the catalogue. It's often omitted from Chopin's waltzes lists as not everyone consider it an actual waltz (the original manuscript only says "sostenuto"). The work was composed in 1840 and dedicated to Émile Gaillard, but it wasn't published until 1955.
Isn't the "Minute Waltz" "minute" as in small, rather than 60 seconds? The suggested tempo is "molto vivace" as "very lively". I think it's supposed to be a short, lively waltz.
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You might be asking yourself what's the difference between a standard romantic waltz theme of 16 bars and a standard classical minuet theme of 8 x 2 bars (16 in total with the repetition). The difference is that those 16 bars of the romantic waltz are considered the minimum, as they are usually repeated, up to 32 bars.
Hence, romantic waltzes can easily double the number of measures of a classical minuet, but since waltz is usually a much faster dance, the average duration is about the same for both (2-3 minutes aprox. depending on the type).
Great, thanks a lot!!!
You forgot the part about becoming an amazing piano player.
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Thank you for the video. It is packed with a lot of information. Your waltz example sounds very nice.
I'm glad it was useful!
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Love it!
Firstly, I just wanted to tell you this is a great video, and your piece is by no means bad. However, I don't think it is quite "Chopinesque". I think the reason it doesn't sound quite like Chopin is mainly because of the cadences. When he utilizes a half cadence, he (most of the times) hangs on the dominant and accentuates it, for example Op. 64 No. 1. And for the authentic cadences, if is a weak one, he usually uses a progression like ii(IV)-V7(V)-I, and for strong cadences something like I64-V13(V7)-I. He rarely (although sometimes he does) uses a simple V chord, he instead uses V7 or V13, and the V13 is quite a characteristic one, more so if you accentuate the mediant in the melody. I think if your work around with these cadential concepts, everything sounds much more "Chopinesque", even withoyt utilizing turns and grace notes. These are just some of my observations though!!! I really liked your piece.
@@d_rivadeneyra Thank you for the feedback, there are always new things to learn!
Chopin an accomplished dancer??? I never read that mentioned in the many books or papers on Chopin I read. That explains my three ???.
@@esprit-critique Apparently he was, or at least, according to the contemporary polish writer Kazimierz Wójcicki, he enjoyed dancing the waltz as much as he enjoyed playing it. We can't know for sure how good he was as dancer though, but given that the waltz wasn't considered a hard dance at that time, it didn't take much for an average person to master it.
This is the source from where I took that information: McKee, Eric. 2012. Decorum of the Minuet, Delirium of the Waltz : A Study of Dance-Music Relations in 3/4 Time. Bloomington: Indiana University Press.
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Muito bem. Obrigado por compartilhar seu conhecimento.
Great video.
What is the complete title of the piece starting at 1:42?
I Used to play it in my Highschool days.
I've been searching for it over 20 + years
Whoops, that's actually B.133 not B.131, my bad. It's usually referred to as Waltz no. 18 in E flat major, B. 133 or KK IVb/10, depending on the catalogue.
It's often omitted from Chopin's waltzes lists as not everyone consider it an actual waltz (the original manuscript only says "sostenuto").
The work was composed in 1840 and dedicated to Émile Gaillard, but it wasn't published until 1955.
Hello. I would like to ask if you have ever heard Johann Strauss waltzes?
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Very useful. Thank you
Isn't the "Minute Waltz" "minute" as in small, rather than 60 seconds? The suggested tempo is "molto vivace" as "very lively". I think it's supposed to be a short, lively waltz.
Yeah, that's it. Anyhow, the nickname wasn't given by Chopin but the publisher.
I'd liked a more serious composition than a waltz
That's alright, I'll explore other types of compositions in the future as well.
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