- I think the person who paid for it created the value, not the artist or the piece itself. People don't care about a banana and a piece of duct tape, they care about what other did with 120k. - Banana, duct tape, and 120k are actually an interesting combination tho. If you put something like a pencil and 120k together, they would make much less shocking effect on the news. - I feel we've created more and more purposes for the art nowadays. Art was for religious purposes, then we painted people around us, then art was for advertisement and magazines and now art is an investment form. - And the pressure of finding new ideas, doing something that never done before, plus the existence of photography and photoshop which make better-than-real-life images, are pushing artists away from visual presentation into philosophy realm, I think. Modern art is so much about the idea, the meaning, the statement, they should be put in museum of philosophy, not museum of fine art. And thank you Dr. Lieu and Lauryn for the food for thought. :)
Thank you for your insightful comment, really appreciate hearing your point of view. Regardless of whether someone likes this piece or not, we can't deny the conversations it has stirred up! -Prof Lieu
I completely disagree I’m sorry. Modern art has separated from philosophy more than ever before. Modern art is a try at creating new ideas. But new ideas cannot be created as we are not godlike only imitations can be made. But it depends on how good that imitation is that your art is recognized for. In the medival times, Renaissance and the baroque, the artists recognized they were imitating but now modern artists try and deny it and claim their art is new and innovative. Idk what art is but the best explanation I can come to is Art is mans attempt at imitating nature.
I’m not an art student nor someone affiliated with art, but I can’t help watching your videos. You are such an amazing person with a true expertise and a good personality. Thank you for the work you do and thank you UA-cam for recommending me this channel
I personally do not understand why people go to art school, seriously Why?. You buy a banana, you tape it. People will do the rest: create a deep meaning behind the creation and will applause. If you do not accept or understand the brilliant idea, or simply put, not courageous enough to voice your opinion you will be labeled as not artsy, not intelligent enough to understand the modern conceptual art, you are not the millennium, or not pro sustainable environment and so on. Till somebody will call things as is. The whole “ Banana” story reminds me “ The emperor new clothes” by Hanc Christian Andersen.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, it's all so complicated! Brings up lots of questions about artistic intent vs. public opinion, and more. Glad to have you contribute to our dialogue here! -Prof Lieu
@@artprof I really appreciate you find time to comment on everybody's thoughts. Amazing, knowing how busy you are. Thinking aloud, continue the topic, would be interesting to know what people think about " Black Square" by Malevich.
Glad to hear it! I love reading the comments, we have such an amazing audience here and it's great to hear everyone's thoughts. Noted on Malevich, thanks for the suggestion! -Prof Lieu
Couldnt agree more. People dont want to acknowledhe there is a definite good and definite bad. I wish i could do that as a chef. Make som burnt half effort dishes and claim any critic isnt smart enough to comprehend the taste.
The explanation of certification being of greater value than the art itself was sickening for me. This is a statement about society in general. It's sad for most artists who have to push themselves through whatever means to become "popular" in order to get paid. I'm guessing everyone pretty much sees this banana and duct tape as a spectacle rather than a work of art. Thank you guys for the great video! I always learn so much from you!
That's such a great way of putting it-- seeing it as a spectacle over a work of art. You're right, nowadays if you're not mainstream and popular, it's a LOT harder to freelance and become successful! It can definitely be disheartening sometimes, but hopefully everyone remembers it doesn't make or break an artist :) - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
I think the piece simply rehashes ideas that have already been expressed in pieces like Duchamp’s fountain, and doesn’t bring anything new to the discussion. If not for the fact that someone ate the banana, “The Comedian” wouldn’t have stirred up so much conversation concerning the value of art, and would fail in its didactic purpose on its own. It is not more shocking or effective than any of its readymade predecessors
I think the primary difference is the historical context; "Comedian" has several predecessors whereas Duchamp's urinal did not, and the whole landscape of social media really transforms the impact of the piece to make it a completely different experience. Good food for thought! -Prof Lieu
I have fallen in love with this channel, been binging different episodes and videos, good to see your face finally Lauryn, thank you for your responses haha
The average person doesn't even have the language or eye for art. The banana being considered art is an inarguably controversial thing and as Lauryn said, people love to hate watch. It's an opportunity for people outside of the art world to have an opinion of art. It didn't only make people talk about art but what they consider art to be, and I think that's why it memed.
I enjoyed this crit clash - a lot of food for thought. The "Comedian" is one of my favorite art pieces. The art is not in the banana or the duct tape, but in the outrage, which it evokes so masterfully.
from a total pedestrian's point view, i feel the conversation around the piece and actual banana duct tape itself constitute the whole piece of work. I think the artist sure has the impact and possible viral outcome of social media in mind when creating the piece. The exhibition, audience queuing to take photo with it, buyers of the piece, ridiculously simple physical form and expensive price of the piece, and the trending and heated discussion around the world about it, all of these together create the actual piece. For me, it is just such a great commentary of modern society and there are so many different aspects to dig deeper into around it in terms of social, psychology and economic study.
In our "Crit Clash" videos, we assign a point of view to each artist for the purposes of this debate. Our intent with these debates is to provide a broader look at how artists and artworks are perceived. The arguments that you hear our staff artists present within this video are not necessarily what their true opinions are on the artist/artworks in real life. In many cases our staff artists may well be presenting arguments that are the opposite of their true opinion. After the live stream ends, we meet in the #crit-clash-reveals channel in the Art Prof Discord server (invite link: discord.gg/g5XQRpT) so that our staff can reveal what their true opinions are, so please join us there! Watch more Crit Clash videos in this playlist: ua-cam.com/video/sHhuSCt_cac/v-deo.html
This is my second time on this chat. I like to listen to you guys talk while I paint. Something struck me on this second go around. When I was a kid (I'm 73) it was common for adults to exclaim, "that's bananas!" in response to a wild idea or sight. Is it possible that the choice of a banana was meant as a commentary on art, art pricing, the art world in general, or possibly, the world we're living in?
That's such an interesting thought, thank you so much for sharing!! I haven't ever heard that connection before, but I think you might be onto something... - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Share
idk i feel like it's meaningful talking about whether it has meaning or not. though this does reminds me of something my English teacher said. He said "there are 2 characteristics to literature. 1 is that it holds up a mirror to reflect on a society's culture. 2 is that it must be a theme that prevails time." listening to this discussion made me feel that. I feel like your guys' and the world's discussions is ultimately a mirror to re-examine us as a whole. idk if banana will prevails through time though
Thank you! We use OBS and Skype, so that 1 person Skypes into OBS and we create a video window in OBS. Took a while to figure out, but I think it was worth it! -Prof Lieu
I must admit that I have not watched more than a couple of minutes of random snippets of this video before making this comment. The artwork titled "Comedian" became famous for what it says about the art world, and, I would like to think, because many in the artworld didn't get it immediately, or if they did, couldn't do anything about it - they took a bite and couldn't spit it out without embarrassing themselves - quite an uncomfortable situation being stuck with this particular banana. While this combination of sticky adhesive material and found object, which will undergo a metamorphosis by spoiling and eventually rotting, speaks way more than a thousand words about the artworld, it will probably also put smile on Marcel Duchamp's face, just like a certain experiment Duchamp called Dust Breeding - in my opinion a much more immersive artistic expression than drawing facial hair on a print of an overrated but priceless painting of an unknown woman on display in the Louvre Museum. The irony would certainly not be lost on Duchamp. I will spend the next 64 minutes and 47 seconds making art or simply living creatively.
I purposefully don’t take photos in the infinity rooms I’ve been too so that I can experience the art. I think those installations are awe-inspiring if you look and absorb rather than just get a Instagram photo
This banana makes me feel really anxious because in my mind I just see it decaying going black and kind of leaking or oozing out. Intellectually I know it will be replaced every two days but my mind is doing somethings else. I would not btw take a camera in for that two minutes in the infinity room. I would just be in it for the two minutes. Or else I would pay double and get double time and maybe take a friend. Ci love Yayoi’s work. I do not understand art as investment, I come from a group of people who believed in aft as gift. That means process as well, so teaching others to make is also art. So I took art to the most marginal of people who had been told they could not do art and utterly rejected doing hand prints because every art teacher thought that was all they could do. So we did other stuff. I will never be a part of art as spectacle or even in a gallery, but I got that group into a real aft gallery, the first ever group of people with profound disability to exhibit in my country. But that banana still makes me queasy, just thinking about it.
That's so interesting, I love hearing about how pieces like this affect different people! Thank you for sharing your experience with us :) - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
I see it more as performance art. If everyone at the fair had said "I am not buying a stupid banana for a hundred thousand times it's retail price." That would also have been a result and said something about the audience, and would likely have been the result in a setting with fewer people who were filthy rich. "Normal" people are not necessarily much different though, the banana is just a more "sophisticated" and more expensive version of spraying champagne with your brat friends.
That's a good point, and I agree about it being more of a performance art piece. Context changes everything! If you liked this video, you might also enjoy this one about Jackson Pollock: ua-cam.com/video/HZp3PBnSaA8/v-deo.html - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
I guess anything can be art, but then not all art requires skill (or sanity). I like seeing things like "The Slavic Epic" with a significant story behind it. If I think, "I could do that in five minutes," I'm not impressed.
@@artprof I appreciate the response! I'm not an art connoisseur, but I travel a lot, particularly in Eastern Europe. My taste in art is similar to my taste in poetry, or classical music. Attending a Chopin performance in Poland, or seeing The Nutcracker at the Marinskiy where it was first performed in St Petersburg are both real treats. Reading Cyprian Norwid to help understand Poland, and in my case being able to read and understand Dostoevsky and Pushkin in Russian is delightful. And oh to go to a live orchestral performance in Salzburg, Switzerland, or to the Estonian song festival after having learned about the Singing Revolution!!!!! And then to see the change in artistic styles over the centuries, and through and after the Soviet period! I adore it. I can appreciate any art if I know the story and see the effort. The more avant-garde and freestyle art was very meaningful in Eastern Europe as protest to the Soviet and censorship. I get excited about it.
The artwork revealed so many underlying problems with the society and the art investment world. I think the artwork is extremely meaningful because of it. I’d be proud if I have something that can stir up so much crap. And I do think the location of an artwork can be very important to the art piece. One example js land art. The timing of the piece can also be important. Duchamp’s fountain wouldn’t make much sense today.
I don’t love the artwork. But I will say that it is an excellent parody of the art fair and contemporary art market. I think conceptual art is art and I don’t deny that it’s Art. I think that there’s something Brilliant about this piece even as I also find it deeply problematic. I think we reap what we sow and what the art fair commercial art world has sown is this very kind of gimmicky surface level parody of itself
Banana/Duct Tape reminds me of that artwork with one dot on a canvas. Don't know who that is. My middle school teacher told us about that saying that people focus on the imperfections, hence, the dot. Whatever. Without her explanation, I would have thought "Why is this here. Oh, they made a mistake." This is probably why some people don't want to pay artists, besides being a cheapskate. Haha.
It seems like the people talking about the banana are more of the focal point than the artist who taped it to the wall. It's not much different than from what Duchamp did. It seems old hat to me.
Warhol, Ono and Fluxus are all really fabulous associations, thanks for bringing those up. When I first saw this piece it reminded me of the film "Doxology" by Michael Langan. Mostly because of the strange way it inhabits space but is also so unapologetic about it. How both pieces seem like they live in the uncanny valley. I love hearing the various connections people make when looking at art. It opens up so much dialogue and is a great way of expanding our knowledge of the art world. -Deepti Menon, Art Prof Teaching Artist
Cattelan absolutely brilliant. A lot of folks didn't like it but then again most of them lack the humor or contextualization to understand the banana. (Poor Woody Allen)
I’m definitely not into modern/ conceptual art, it would be the equivalent of the NBA suddenly awarding points to rookies for standing still on the court
I think it's dumb but I do like that the banana is impermanent and duck tape seems will be here eons after us. I'd be laughing my way to the bank if I was this artist. Also reminds me of the joke of slipping on a banana and we are all part of the artist's joke.
I don’t think compare and Rockwell to conceptual artist in the falcon carousel at all it’s very much apples and oranges . They don’t exist in the same world and therefore I don’t think it’s a really intelligent comparison. I think that conceptual art is definitely art. I think The banana piece is better but I will not deny that it is art. Also about Rockwell he did have some iconic pieces like the problem we all live with and the Rosie the riveter images but I think a lot of his work is very kitschy and overly sentimental and not that interesting visually so frankly I think you have an overly positive estimation of Rockwell based on his top 1% work.
I think that everyone has differing opinions when it comes to artists like Rockwell, and we love hearing your input! Thanks for watching :) - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
I think there's no way to win this on the con side, even though this piece is absurd. Because ultimately anything can be called art. You could point at something and call it Art. (In fact, has that been done? I won't be surprised.) It's just that most people don't have the market cache to price something like that at $120K. I think this says a lot about spectacle, gate-keeping, and wealth in the art world.
There's a photo of someone who put a pair of reading glasses on the floor of an art museum as a joke, and spectators actually stopped to take photos of it as if it were a real piece! Goes to show that it also depends on context, as well as individual viewers. I still think that's such a funny story. Thank you so much for watching! - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
@@artprof omg - that's hilarious! I love this channel SO much - the devotion and joy you all share about your mission truly shows and it's just so much fun to watch AND learn
- I think the person who paid for it created the value, not the artist or the piece itself. People don't care about a banana and a piece of duct tape, they care about what other did with 120k.
- Banana, duct tape, and 120k are actually an interesting combination tho. If you put something like a pencil and 120k together, they would make much less shocking effect on the news.
- I feel we've created more and more purposes for the art nowadays. Art was for religious purposes, then we painted people around us, then art was for advertisement and magazines and now art is an investment form.
- And the pressure of finding new ideas, doing something that never done before, plus the existence of photography and photoshop which make better-than-real-life images, are pushing artists away from visual presentation into philosophy realm, I think. Modern art is so much about the idea, the meaning, the statement, they should be put in museum of philosophy, not museum of fine art.
And thank you Dr. Lieu and Lauryn for the food for thought. :)
Thank you for your insightful comment, really appreciate hearing your point of view. Regardless of whether someone likes this piece or not, we can't deny the conversations it has stirred up! -Prof Lieu
I completely disagree I’m sorry. Modern art has separated from philosophy more than ever before. Modern art is a try at creating new ideas. But new ideas cannot be created as we are not godlike only imitations can be made. But it depends on how good that imitation is that your art is recognized for. In the medival times, Renaissance and the baroque, the artists recognized they were imitating but now modern artists try and deny it and claim their art is new and innovative. Idk what art is but the best explanation I can come to is Art is mans attempt at imitating nature.
I’m not an art student nor someone affiliated with art, but I can’t help watching your videos. You are such an amazing person with a true expertise and a good personality. Thank you for the work you do and thank you UA-cam for recommending me this channel
To me that is a huge compliment, thank you! -Prof Lori
I personally do not understand why people go to art school, seriously Why?. You buy a banana, you tape it. People will do the rest: create a deep meaning behind the creation and will applause. If you do not accept or understand the brilliant idea, or simply put, not courageous enough to voice your opinion you will be labeled as not artsy, not intelligent enough to understand the modern conceptual art, you are not the millennium, or not pro sustainable environment and so on. Till somebody will call things as is. The whole “ Banana” story reminds me “ The emperor new clothes” by Hanc Christian Andersen.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, it's all so complicated! Brings up lots of questions about artistic intent vs. public opinion, and more. Glad to have you contribute to our dialogue here! -Prof Lieu
@@artprof I really appreciate you find time to comment on everybody's thoughts. Amazing, knowing how busy you are. Thinking aloud, continue the topic, would be interesting to know what people think about " Black Square" by Malevich.
Glad to hear it! I love reading the comments, we have such an amazing audience here and it's great to hear everyone's thoughts. Noted on Malevich, thanks for the suggestion! -Prof Lieu
Couldnt agree more. People dont want to acknowledhe there is a definite good and definite bad. I wish i could do that as a chef. Make som burnt half effort dishes and claim any critic isnt smart enough to comprehend the taste.
The banana does have "a peel."
The explanation of certification being of greater value than the art itself was sickening for me. This is a statement about society in general. It's sad for most artists who have to push themselves through whatever means to become "popular" in order to get paid. I'm guessing everyone pretty much sees this banana and duct tape as a spectacle rather than a work of art. Thank you guys for the great video! I always learn so much from you!
That's such a great way of putting it-- seeing it as a spectacle over a work of art. You're right, nowadays if you're not mainstream and popular, it's a LOT harder to freelance and become successful! It can definitely be disheartening sometimes, but hopefully everyone remembers it doesn't make or break an artist :) - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
I would like to see more of these Crit Clashes!
Yay, more coming this month! -Prof Lieu
I think the piece simply rehashes ideas that have already been expressed in pieces like Duchamp’s fountain, and doesn’t bring anything new to the discussion. If not for the fact that someone ate the banana, “The Comedian” wouldn’t have stirred up so much conversation concerning the value of art, and would fail in its didactic purpose on its own. It is not more shocking or effective than any of its readymade predecessors
I think the primary difference is the historical context; "Comedian" has several predecessors whereas Duchamp's urinal did not, and the whole landscape of social media really transforms the impact of the piece to make it a completely different experience. Good food for thought! -Prof Lieu
I have fallen in love with this channel, been binging different episodes and videos, good to see your face finally Lauryn, thank you for your responses haha
Lauryn is the best!! - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
The average person doesn't even have the language or eye for art. The banana being considered art is an inarguably controversial thing and as Lauryn said, people love to hate watch. It's an opportunity for people outside of the art world to have an opinion of art. It didn't only make people talk about art but what they consider art to be, and I think that's why it memed.
I enjoyed this crit clash - a lot of food for thought. The "Comedian" is one of my favorite art pieces. The art is not in the banana or the duct tape, but in the outrage, which it evokes so masterfully.
That's a great way of looking at it! - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
from a total pedestrian's point view, i feel the conversation around the piece and actual banana duct tape itself constitute the whole piece of work. I think the artist sure has the impact and possible viral outcome of social media in mind when creating the piece. The exhibition, audience queuing to take photo with it, buyers of the piece, ridiculously simple physical form and expensive price of the piece, and the trending and heated discussion around the world about it, all of these together create the actual piece. For me, it is just such a great commentary of modern society and there are so many different aspects to dig deeper into around it in terms of social, psychology and economic study.
In our "Crit Clash" videos, we assign a point of view to each artist for the purposes of this debate. Our intent with these debates is to provide a broader look at how artists and artworks are perceived. The arguments that you hear our staff artists present within this video are not necessarily what their true opinions are on the artist/artworks in real life. In many cases our staff artists may well be presenting arguments that are the opposite of their true opinion. After the live stream ends, we meet in the #crit-clash-reveals channel in the Art Prof Discord server (invite link: discord.gg/g5XQRpT) so that our staff can reveal what their true opinions are, so please join us there! Watch more Crit Clash videos in this playlist: ua-cam.com/video/sHhuSCt_cac/v-deo.html
I love these, i wish there was an entire channel dedicated to it.
There is a playlist on Crit Clashes though! ua-cam.com/video/sHhuSCt_cac/v-deo.html -Prof Lieu
A valuable look at the definitions of art. These Crit Clashes really stimulate thought.
I think so too! - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
This is my second time on this chat. I like to listen to you guys talk while I paint.
Something struck me on this second go around. When I was a kid (I'm 73) it was common for adults to exclaim, "that's bananas!" in response to a wild idea or sight. Is it possible that the choice of a banana was meant as a commentary on art, art pricing, the art world in general, or possibly, the world we're living in?
That's such an interesting thought, thank you so much for sharing!! I haven't ever heard that connection before, but I think you might be onto something... - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Share
rich people and prestige
Yup, that about sums it up. 😂
Ha ha ha this was a lot of fun to watch. I am pro-banana. Art needs jokesters in order to prevent it from becoming too elitist, rigid or codified.
That's such a great way of looking at it! I love that, haha - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
idk i feel like it's meaningful talking about whether it has meaning or not.
though this does reminds me of something my English teacher said. He said "there are 2 characteristics to literature. 1 is that it holds up a mirror to reflect on a society's culture. 2 is that it must be a theme that prevails time."
listening to this discussion made me feel that.
I feel like your guys' and the world's discussions is ultimately a mirror to re-examine us as a whole. idk if banana will prevails through time though
Love your videos! What do you use to record a split screen while displaying a graphic?!
Thank you! We use OBS and Skype, so that 1 person Skypes into OBS and we create a video window in OBS. Took a while to figure out, but I think it was worth it! -Prof Lieu
I must admit that I have not watched more than a couple of minutes of random snippets of this video before making this comment. The artwork titled "Comedian" became famous for what it says about the art world, and, I would like to think, because many in the artworld didn't get it immediately, or if they did, couldn't do anything about it - they took a bite and couldn't spit it out without embarrassing themselves - quite an uncomfortable situation being stuck with this particular banana. While this combination of sticky adhesive material and found object, which will undergo a metamorphosis by spoiling and eventually rotting, speaks way more than a thousand words about the artworld, it will probably also put smile on Marcel Duchamp's face, just like a certain experiment Duchamp called Dust Breeding - in my opinion a much more immersive artistic expression than drawing facial hair on a print of an overrated but priceless painting of an unknown woman on display in the Louvre Museum. The irony would certainly not be lost on Duchamp. I will spend the next 64 minutes and 47 seconds making art or simply living creatively.
I loved reading this! This is definitely a piece where audience engagement/reaction is HUGELY responsible for it's fame :) - Mia, Art Prof Staff
43:06 Lauryn is right. I'm not from the USA and the first time I've seen that image without knowing the background history it had no meaning to me.
I purposefully don’t take photos in the infinity rooms I’ve been too so that I can experience the art. I think those installations are awe-inspiring if you look and absorb rather than just get a Instagram photo
Very true! It's always best to experience it truly in the moment - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
This banana makes me feel really anxious because in my mind I just see it decaying going black and kind of leaking or oozing out. Intellectually I know it will be replaced every two days but my mind is doing somethings else. I would not btw take a camera in for that two minutes in the infinity room. I would just be in it for the two minutes. Or else
I would pay double and get double time and maybe take a friend. Ci love Yayoi’s work. I do not understand art as investment, I come from a group of people who believed in aft as gift. That means process as well, so teaching others to make is also art. So I took art to the most marginal of people who had been told they could not do art and utterly rejected doing hand prints because every art teacher thought that was all they could do. So we did other stuff. I will never be a part of art as spectacle or even in a gallery, but I got that group into a real aft gallery, the first ever group of people with profound disability to exhibit in my country.
But that banana still makes me queasy, just thinking about it.
That's so interesting, I love hearing about how pieces like this affect different people! Thank you for sharing your experience with us :) - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
I think the banana art and hype reflects society…
I see it more as performance art. If everyone at the fair had said "I am not buying a stupid banana for a hundred thousand times it's retail price." That would also have been a result and said something about the audience, and would likely have been the result in a setting with fewer people who were filthy rich. "Normal" people are not necessarily much different though, the banana is just a more "sophisticated" and more expensive version of spraying champagne with your brat friends.
That's a good point, and I agree about it being more of a performance art piece. Context changes everything! If you liked this video, you might also enjoy this one about Jackson Pollock: ua-cam.com/video/HZp3PBnSaA8/v-deo.html - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
I guess anything can be art, but then not all art requires skill (or sanity). I like seeing things like "The Slavic Epic" with a significant story behind it. If I think, "I could do that in five minutes," I'm not impressed.
I totally get where you're coming from, sometimes it's hard for me to wrap my head around too! - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
@@artprof I appreciate the response! I'm not an art connoisseur, but I travel a lot, particularly in Eastern Europe. My taste in art is similar to my taste in poetry, or classical music. Attending a Chopin performance in Poland, or seeing The Nutcracker at the Marinskiy where it was first performed in St Petersburg are both real treats. Reading Cyprian Norwid to help understand Poland, and in my case being able to read and understand Dostoevsky and Pushkin in Russian is delightful. And oh to go to a live orchestral performance in Salzburg, Switzerland, or to the Estonian song festival after having learned about the Singing Revolution!!!!! And then to see the change in artistic styles over the centuries, and through and after the Soviet period! I adore it. I can appreciate any art if I know the story and see the effort. The more avant-garde and freestyle art was very meaningful in Eastern Europe as protest to the Soviet and censorship. I get excited about it.
The artwork revealed so many underlying problems with the society and the art investment world. I think the artwork is extremely meaningful because of it. I’d be proud if I have something that can stir up so much crap. And I do think the location of an artwork can be very important to the art piece. One example js land art. The timing of the piece can also be important. Duchamp’s fountain wouldn’t make much sense today.
Good point!! The context of a piece is so influential of how it's received & the deeper meanings behind it - Mia, Art Prof Staff
this piece makes me remember the movie idiocracy, the dumbing down of a society lol, that movie is a documentary, "welcome to Costco, I love you"
Omg, I totally get it! That movie was so wild - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
This is exactly what’s wrong with humanity. In the mean while kids are suffering from starvation.
Wow I love those crit clashes..
Thanks for watching! :D - Mia, Art Prof Staff
Are you mad about the banana or the lack of something BETTER than the banana?
I don’t love the artwork. But I will say that it is an excellent parody of the art fair and contemporary art market. I think conceptual art is art and I don’t deny that it’s Art. I think that there’s something Brilliant about this piece even as I also find it deeply problematic. I think we reap what we sow and what the art fair commercial art world has sown is this very kind of gimmicky surface level parody of itself
That's such a great point, I completely agree! - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
Banana/Duct Tape reminds me of that artwork with one dot on a canvas. Don't know who that is. My middle school teacher told us about that saying that people focus on the imperfections, hence, the dot. Whatever. Without her explanation, I would have thought "Why is this here. Oh, they made a mistake." This is probably why some people don't want to pay artists, besides being a cheapskate. Haha.
Thank you banana for being the first crit clash.
😂 I laughed so much when I read this. -Prof Lieu
It seems like the people talking about the banana are more of the focal point than the artist who taped it to the wall. It's not much different than from what Duchamp did. It seems old hat to me.
That's a very good point! - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
money laundry in art
The banana reminds me of Andy Warhol and Yoko Ono art. Especially Fluxus. I'm surprised that hasn't been mentioned yet (45 minutes in).
Warhol, Ono and Fluxus are all really fabulous associations, thanks for bringing those up. When I first saw this piece it reminded me of the film "Doxology" by Michael Langan. Mostly because of the strange way it inhabits space but is also so unapologetic about it. How both pieces seem like they live in the uncanny valley. I love hearing the various connections people make when looking at art. It opens up so much dialogue and is a great way of expanding our knowledge of the art world. -Deepti Menon, Art Prof Teaching Artist
Cattelan absolutely brilliant. A lot of folks didn't like it but then again most of them lack the humor or contextualization to understand the banana. (Poor Woody Allen)
I’m definitely not into modern/ conceptual art, it would be the equivalent of the NBA suddenly awarding points to rookies for standing still on the court
HAHAHA now that would be a funny performance art piece - Mia, Art Prof Staff
Look at Tilda Swinton's pose - she is being an odalisque!
The banana/DT is a good representation of the current Trumpian era: a negation of knowledge, hard work, method, the University, education.
I think it's dumb but I do like that the banana is impermanent and duck tape seems will be here eons after us. I'd be laughing my way to the bank if I was this artist. Also reminds me of the joke of slipping on a banana and we are all part of the artist's joke.
39:04 is my favourite part
banana on the wall shows how stupid modern art has become. I hate it. and that's why I love it.
HAHA, understandable - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
I don’t think compare and Rockwell to conceptual artist in the falcon carousel at all it’s very much apples and oranges . They don’t exist in the same world and therefore I don’t think it’s a really intelligent comparison. I think that conceptual art is definitely art. I think The banana piece is better but I will not deny that it is art. Also about Rockwell he did have some iconic pieces like the problem we all live with and the Rosie the riveter images but I think a lot of his work is very kitschy and overly sentimental and not that interesting visually so frankly I think you have an overly positive estimation of Rockwell based on his top 1% work.
I think that everyone has differing opinions when it comes to artists like Rockwell, and we love hearing your input! Thanks for watching :) - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
This video from the Art Assignment is an awesome overview of "Comedian" if anyone's interested: ua-cam.com/video/so8sB25IL4o/v-deo.html
The good old Question again;
What Is art?
A loaded question for sure! - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
Did they renew the banana as well as the tape, why aren’t there fruit flies present
Haha, that's a great question! - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
Cannot believe but Lauryn won! XD
Lauren is lying. She actually likes this work.
Proof of the dumbing down of the next generation, imo.
Think Warhol
Yeah it's smart, but what for? He used his intelligence to trick us and earn money. That's not a super cool way of using wits imo.
I think there's no way to win this on the con side, even though this piece is absurd. Because ultimately anything can be called art. You could point at something and call it Art. (In fact, has that been done? I won't be surprised.) It's just that most people don't have the market cache to price something like that at $120K. I think this says a lot about spectacle, gate-keeping, and wealth in the art world.
There's a photo of someone who put a pair of reading glasses on the floor of an art museum as a joke, and spectators actually stopped to take photos of it as if it were a real piece! Goes to show that it also depends on context, as well as individual viewers. I still think that's such a funny story. Thank you so much for watching! - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
@@artprof omg - that's hilarious! I love this channel SO much - the devotion and joy you all share about your mission truly shows and it's just so much fun to watch AND learn
Despite my expectation coming into this I think Lauryn won.