Will AI Art Ruin Artists? Should Artists Be Afraid?
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2022
- AI art has the potential to dramatically change the art world, but will AI's impact be destructive for artists and their careers? Or will AI simply be another tool employed by artists? Discussion led by Art Prof Clara Lieu and Teaching Artist Lauryn Welch.
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Clara Lieu was an Adjunct Professor at the Rhode Island School of Design from 2007-2020. Her artwork has been exhibited at the International Print Center NY, the Currier Museum, Childs Gallery, the Davis Museum, and more. Lieu received an artist fellowship from the MA Cultural Council, has written for the NY Times, and lectured at Brown University, the NAEA conference, and in Vancouver & China. She has been profiled in Artsy, Hyperallergic, KPCC, & WBUR.
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Dunno, if you ask an AI to keep painting stuff for you in a repeating cycle of randomly changing directives, then you’re not an artist, you’re a client
That process is more similar to shaping and directing an algorithm for sure. -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
I think AI generated art will work as great references especially for people with aphantasia like me, who are unable to form vivid images mentally. I can create a great concept for an art piece but cannot imagine how it would look mentally so having AI that can provide multiple references with a similar concept would definitely be very helpful.
So I'm interested - Shashank are you planning to start working with the software? Just recently I have seen AI generated work that people posted. I think a lot of people will be able to create work with the program that makes them happy.
That's wonderful! Yes, who knows how this technology will make creating art more accessible for more people! -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
@@treemerryweather indeed, it will definitely encourage a lot more people. And for now, I don't think I'll actually be trying out the software anytime soon as I am a full time college student and don't have much time 😅
Hello fellow aphantasia Haver :)
I think another interesting question with AI is who will get the credit when it becomes more widespread? Will AI artists of the future be the CODERS? Or will it be the people who use the tools to make images? Or both?
When someone fills a bucket with paint, hangs it from the ceiling from a rope, pokes some holes in it and then gives it a push so it swings over a canvas draining paint onto the surface like a pendulum….
….is the bucket manufacturing company the artist? Or a “co-artist”?
Great question! I imagine it might divide into two groups, similar to frontend and backend programmers. -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
Great question. There must be a contract when you use AI that spells this out - if not there should be. Better to know up front than to find out later.
Guys I think your really underestimating AI. This thing is advancing and becoming smarter.
Oh for sure, it's only going to get better and more complex. -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
Almost a 45 minute video and no mention of Marcel Duchamp? I'm surprised no one else is mentioning it. This whole AI thing reminds me of the arguments back in the day with Marcel Duchamp's "Fountain." Same problem, different day.
Ahhhh, no we didn't, but you're absolutely right!!! We could do a whole pt 2 about AI's relationship with the uproar over Marcel Duchamp! -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
Using A.I art from an online app and telling people that you created it is like ordering food from online and telling people that you cooked it.
Maybe like ordering a Blue Apron food kit! -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
@@artprof Ok I get it 🧐
I think it does count as plagiarism and I think part of it has to do with how easy it can be because like if I take a photograph of someone else's artwork (like just the artwork and nothing else) and call it my original piece and say you can't be mad cause it's photography like.....that's kind of what the ai thing feels like where people essentially recreate someone else's art and say it's not plagiarism because it's a different medium. If it's identical or nearly identical that is plagiarism to me. I've seen people do this with other mediums and it always feels bad to me and it always feels like plagiarism to me. Like someine will copy someone else's work completely but change one tiny tiny thing like the color of the subject's hair or something and to me personally that is not enough. That is plagiariam to me
The thing about the AI, is that it's scraping from millions of images that are compiled to make one image. So while it can look similar to an existing image, is it enough the same to warrant plagiarism? Or to put it another way, how is this different than people who draw a very realistic eye and call that an artwork? Are they all plagiarizing off of each other because they all made a very similar picture of a realistic eye? -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
They can put in images of 1 artist and completely copy that artist. Is that ok? If I copy 1 artwork of yours and post it online and claim it's mine and profit off it would that bother you? What is the eye reference we're talking about? Is it someone's painting of an eye? Or a photograph of a real eye? Is it royalty free? If we have a royalty free photograph of a real eye and 10 artists paint it you'll get 10 different paintings and I don't see a problem here. If it's a painting of an eye with certain composition and lighting colors and style etc. And 10 artists copy it completely and the original artist didn't opt in to having their painting copied and then the 10 copiers post them online and all claim it's their original painting....yeah that's plagiarism to me.
@@artprof Midjorney, Dalle or Stablediffusion are programs that uses artists works without their permission. You will get best results if you write artist names in the promt. Without works of other artists nothing will work. It's like using Spotify database and create music AI generators without any permissions. It's called stealing. If an artist somehow will delete his works from AI database, no one will ever imitate his style with AI picture generators
@@bonlynx if an artist uses ai art and claims that it was hand drawn, then I think its plagiarism. But if it was explicitly stated that it was ai art, then its different.
@@artprof it's not really using million of images except as training data otherwise I wouldn't be able to run Stable Diffusion locally without internet connection using only a few gigabytes.
It's taken me a while to come to terms with how I feel about AI art. Ultimately, I think we don't need to be afraid of it as artists. I believe it will become just another medium of art, like photography became. I'm sure that AI will become more and more advanced, and be able to create images that are out of this world realistic! Things will change, and perhaps digital artists in commercial work will have to adapt the way they work somehow. But that's nothing new. Artists have always had to adapt to the changing world in commercial work. That being said, I truly believe that there will always be a place for hand made artwork, like real life paintings instead of digital. So for that reason, I'm not worried.
Perhaps Bob Dylan said it best:
"Your old road is rapidly aging,
Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand,
For the times, they are a changin'! "
Very true-- my friends and I have deep conversations about this, and always reach the same sentiment. It is scary and frustrating to think about, but technology has always been moving fast! - Mia, Art Prof Staff
stella -Carol I am a artist in learning, this is scary for humanity the creativity that comes from deep within oneself , the love the passion of creation holding a brush , connecting with light and darkness the artists of old be it painting, music, poetry etcetera bought out something deep within their soul and spirit to create,
I think all artists around the world should set up a website or whatever to authenticate their art as their own and not Ai,
More control and agendas to control humanity.
love to all you artists out there
That humanity and drive to create is yours and yours alone, and no matter how good AI gets, it can't take that away from you. ❤️ -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
I think at the end of the day, art will always be viewed and apreciated by indavidual people and what speaks to them. Ai being able to do art is amazing.
Yeah, I agree with you, there's room enough for both! -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
What are the thoughts of art ptof folks on the app dream by wombo. I am a self taught hobbyist. Personally, that app gives me a inspiration to create my own work based on the prompt generated ai image
I don't think any of us have tried it yet, we'll look it up! -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
7:20 I do work in that kind of environment in previs and pitchvis. It's far more common than you think!
I have a friend that worked in that kind of environment as well, and ended up quitting because it just ruined her body trying to keep up with those expectations. It's just totally unsustainable. -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
I enjoyed the stream. 🙂. I thought the arguments presented were well balanced.
Thank you so much, glad you enjoyed it! -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
The only thing I've found is createing a source image a 3d pose like blender, a photo, or a sketch. If I dont create an image to start with the quality is horrible. Even with not direct input i need to text2image to create a concept that then gets used image2image to refine and destroy artifacts before having to edit it further or use aspects to photobash
Yes, this is the kind of function I thought AI programs would be helpful for as well. -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
But do you think it will oversaturate it's own market the more it advances due to the little effort it takes to make it and end up devaluing the industry as a whole as AI art becomes increasingly harder to distinguish from hand done art?
My own unqualified speculation is that it could oversupply some portions or industries of the art world, but not the entire art world. -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
💗💓💖 Excellent and timely discussion. I’m not threatened or worried. I second Lauryn for a Beyoncé stream.
Hahaha, lets convince Clara! 😈 -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
Love your channel!
Thanks for watching! ❤️
Creativity is all about the process of getting there, not the end result. The AI Art is only as good as the images they stole from hard working artists to make the model.
Good point!!!!! I agree - Mia, Art Prof Staff
I feel like AI art has no place in a traditional (or digital that mimics traditional) art setting and that it should not be used or advertised as a final traditional product.
A lot of people feel the same way, myself included... There's something off about it to me! - Mia, Art Prof Staff
I've been seeing plenty ofy AI arts this past few months and I'm starting to see it's repetetive paterns. It will probably end up as one of those trendy art phase in the community, but who knows what the future AI program will bring, five or ten years later It will be over for aspiring artists like us. 😭
Good point-- to me it really does feel like just another trend! Hopefully it won't spiral too far out of control, you never know with things like this....- Mia, Art Prof Staff
AI isn't painting anything. The programmer is using a sophisticated computer program to make a painting.
Like a tool! - Mia, Art Prof Staff
ai art existentially terrifies me, because i think creating art, learning to create art, learning to see and think wrt art are important parts of humanity, and fundamental important to me as a person who's learned to create over many years using my flawed human brain, and ai is going to undermine how people value artists and learning. There will absolutely be an art dark age because of a lack of opportunity for artists. If a computer can create something with a click, why spend a decade learning to create the same level of thing, why learn what composition is, what color theory is, what line weight is and anatomy and negative space and art history and gesture, why learn any of it. I think there's so much value in learning to create art and in creating art, i think it's the most valuable thing in the world, but unfortunately it seems most of the rest of the world doesn't realize that value. I suspect that if this was ai science or ai anthropology or something potentially eliminating human scientists and anthropologists people would be more concerned because they know the weight of humanity collectively forgetting important knowledge.
I think that the excitement over new technologies & discoveries is overshadowing what this actually means for artists themselves, as if the artist itself is just a means to an end. It is very scary for me to think about! Thank you for watching :) - Mia, Art Prof Staff
Although I acknowledge the fact that AI would be a helpful tool, I don't agree with the way that there's no way to stop it from stealing from artists; that is, using their art as a component without crediting the artist or compensating them. Someone can just take an image that you created and run it through AI a few times and claim that it's theirs.
Yes-- that's absolutely the problem, in my opinion! - Mia, Art Prof Staff
Funny example of AI check out: "Enter Sandman - Metallica - but the lyrics are Ai generated images" Daara on UA-cam. Ai cannot draw hands!
OMGGGGG when it reached the hands, I burst out laughing! 🤣 🤣 🤣 -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
@@artprof Another video: James Gurney -Should I burn this painting? Towards the end of the video he plays around with DALL-E software. Then he finds art that Ai has ripped off from him directly. I didn't really care for any of the generated outcomes. And that Metallica one was just terrible!
Yet.
I tell ya what I’d like to see next, an AI that can handle accounting/ admin
Omg, that would rock - Mia, Art Prof Staff
How can you really say you won art competition if you didn’t actually do any art and you just put in prompts to a computer?
People are using AI to do things quickly and to make money and for no other reason so they’re going to throw 1000 images together from so many different artists this image looks like everything that you’ve ever seen in a video game or sci-fi movie.
There’s no originality so I don’t think it will make Artists obsolete however to the non-artist out there this would be considered beautiful and you wouldn’t know the difference.
It's such a loaded topic, but I agree with you-- even if the ideas behind the prompt are original, the creation is completely hands off :( - Mia, Art Prof Staff
@@artprof Exactly
Imo this piece just as an image is so hollow and vapid. I get anything but a deep emotional response to the forms or even the “story” of the piece, and every time I see it my eyes glaze over. Looks like any other sci-fi/fantasy themed piece, but far more muddy and unfocused
To be a little more positive, why not take this generated ai image and push it further with more drawing over top of it, maybe a physical painting rendition. Why stop with just the ai image?
@@a_fallen_temple Exactly!
Adding to that, the real power of AI image generators isn’t in text-to-image, it’s in _image-to-image!_
_Image-to-image_ (img2img) basically takes whatever you have drawn/sketched/painted and makes more iterations on it according to a prompt.
While with txt2img, the results are pretty much a gamble, with img2img, you at least have some control over the output, and after that, you can continue painting on top so it matches your style.
This is where I think the true power lies, allowing you to see iterations on what you’ve drawn and where to go from there and what you want to do; to make it a true _tool_ for artists
Loving these comments. I see artists in my program at Hunter who go back and forth within one project between technological and traditional drawing methods. I love the creativity! -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
I only watched the beginning of the video so far, but here is my comment. A lot of criticism of ai looking the same is directed specifically at what Midjourney had been doing and thru specific look and aesthetics. I have been making AI art for a year and got to say there is infinite variety and possibilities that it's capable of even within Midjourney itself. Currently Stable Diffusion is the best in the market and it will make artists lose the job. The reality and society we live in is about to change drastically on the same level as industrial revolution, AI will change the way we operate. Current AI models already are easy ahead this winning piece btw (typical Midjourney output, not very creative at all imo). If you see what it's made now with AI you won't think it's stiff or looks odd because it looks exactly like real human art looks.
Is Stable Diffusion available to try out? I only got to try the DALL*E mini and would be interested in exploring further. -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
I disagree if everyone can type in a few words what use does it have and what is the novelty in that? I think it will become so boring and automated that people will be interested in seeing artists work in real time and more interest in traditional art/seeing humans do things in a way that ai can't. We also connect more with artists due to their experiences and artistic journeys.
OOh they didnt even use Stable Diffusion...
Noooo, we missed that one. Apparently Stable Diffusion is the game changer. 😅 -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
@@artprof dreamstudio has stable diffusion 1.5 but I can't link it without UA-cam tagging it as spam and deleting it.
i guess the thing abt ai art is that the images used in the ai databases are stolen from artists without credit. in that way it's definitely plagiarism imo. one can claim its akin to an artist taking inspiration from others, but really it's a direct combination that i think qualifies as art theft.
Yes absolutely, I agree! It's unethical - Mia, Art Prof Staff
Love letter that is handwritten is better to read than a love letter that is typewritten. Same goes to hand created art is better than AI generated art. Anything hand painted work is personalized, lively and has a genuine human touch
I would have to agree with you on that one! - Mia, Art Prof Staff
For artists, photography killed painting. then photoshop and Illustrator killed graphic design. AI will kill both. It doesn’t matter if we think it’s “ good”-that it won a juried fine art competition has already proved that. And by posting your work, guess what? you’ve helped it for free.
It would be interesting to get some graphic designers both young and old on here to see how they feel about technology changing their medium. Painting is forever dying and resurrecting. 🫠 -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
So in art history impressionism came about due to the first cameras no longer could humans replicate reality to the same capacity so artists shifted to more subjective representations of the world rather than attempting realistic depiction that was outmatched by cameras
uhm photography didn't kill painting and illustrator didn't kill graphic design
I expect AI generated art will make fine art artists even more valuable and may open up the art world further to women and minorities.
Humans will always look for a connection with others and for human perspectives, stories, etc.
AI generated art stands to help create a New Renaissance of the arts. No longer strictly confined to the use of art mannequins or live models and exhaustive physical settings, this is going to be awesome for instigating compositions whether one is a digital artist, uses traditional art mediums, or creates hybrid art using combinations thereof.
Sure, there will be some companies looking for cheap AI art for advertising, but there will be those illustrators that make their art more meaningful, catchy, & impactful to the intended audience. They will find ways to get audiences to really respond and they'll continue to be sought after. There's always a learning curve, there are always monumental changes in the art world now and then. They'll just pick up steam now is all.
Artists finding a way to stay relevant creates art movements.
One of my hopes is that AI generated art as a tool will create multiple new forefronts in the art world that will welcome and celebrate all sorts of artists through avenues, platforms, and events that will blow past the confines of the art world as defined by big name art galleries, art museums, and auction houses. I don't think those will be replaced, I just think technology like this will inevitably open up the art world even more than digital art and online direct sales have.
And of course, there will be ways to combine AI generated art, photoshop, photography, the artists own input, 3-D printing, tech assisted cutting & etching of various materials (Glowforge is 1 tool for that)...
This is going to be awesome!
It's going to affect crafts to sell, making all sorts of objects for personal wear or for the home, cosplayers, others, mixed media art, & fine art.
It's going to make the original arts and crafts movement look very tame.
This is such a hopeful and thought out vision for AI and the art world! I really hope this future comes to pass, and that AI will help digital artists become more versatile, not hurt them. Your point about models and physical settings is especially exciting! -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
A real creative person rather artwork, photography,music,writing or whatever is in danger to themselves.in the future we will see that using a.i.stagnates the creative mind. Using a.i.will eventually make us even more dumbeddown than we are at the moment.its taking the easy way out.we are quickly taking ourselves to the movies " idiocracy " and the movie about the people who never get out of their moving chairs and now they are all fat while that little robot cleans the planet earth as they voyage thru space.kids are no longer use their imagination while playing.if i had a child right now i will give them coloring books,creative toys and even tell them bedtime stories for them to imagine how the characters might appear.adults also need to hold on to their imagination and not rely on a.i.
I’m trying to overcome my fear of AI art, probably because it can produce better pieces than I’m able to create. I think it boarders on plagiarism because it’s taking already produced images out in the ether.
That's what I think, too..... it's such a loaded topic these days! - Mia, Art Prof Staff
It's not plagiarism and its not taking images. It trains on a image set yes but it doesn't save any of the images their not part of the code when you run it locally. This is the software equivalent of it looking at the images without ever having had the data it's self if that makes sense. Like a human looking through a photo book and learning to replicate and draw what they see by looking at reference. This is one reason they haven't been swamped with copyright claims yet.
Plus for me it's greatest use case is creating royalty free assets I can use to photobash. This way I'm not stealing someone's photos or paying for graphics. I can create and photobash what ever I want to my hearts content and even sell my designs without any copyright fears. It's nice I label it all as AI even if I do edit it but just to be above board.
From the BBC article, Stable Diffusion founder is kind of an ass; calling us human being artists as tools. Well, the ai art is a machine tool, so the question is, can that tool be capable of expressing art by applying from human emotions and life experiences to paper or canvas? The answer is no; the founder has a lack of understanding of what art is.
This ai art craze scares the heck out of me. (Sorry, if I sound rude and frustrated.)
It's okay to be scared! The relationship between humans and AI has always been really fraught, challenging, and unfamiliar. I wish artists and programmers could be more used to learning and working together, I think it could relieve at least a few of these feelings of uncertainty. -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
The person crafting the prompts has all those feelings and emotions. His work crafting the prompts is just as valid as someone who is just slapping paint on the canvas and creating an “abstract” painting. Denigrating the work of one and blessing the work of the other is classic art snobbery and gatekeeping.
@@BrianReplies A person "crafting" the prompts seems like real snobbery to me.
@@BrianReplies I don't do abstract work, I use oil paint and sculpt but I have to be honest even though I don't like abstract personally I respect it more than ai stealing the works of real artists (without their consent by the way) and entering it in a competition with people who did real work. Typing words is crafting? Let's be serious.....
Prepare to become a "prompt engineer"
Honestly, I think these jobs already exist. 👀 -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist
More creation more better.
I predict that A.I will become the new "brush." 🖌️ In the future, instead of shopping for new brushes to help us make our art, we will be shopping for new- A.Is!!
Very interesting prediction! I could see it happening. 🤔 -Lauryn, Art Prof Teaching Artist