Are you a fan of my training style, but can’t travel to Kentucky to see me in person? No worries! I offer an awesome online dog training course, which includes access to an array of exclusive videos and content, personalized coaching, journaling, and in-depth mentoring and evaluation by yours truly! Just need some an advice or have a couple questions you need answered? I also offer professional consulting by the hour. Both of these great services can be found here: kentuckycanine.com/onlinecoaching/online-basic-obedience-program Thank you all for your remarkable support over the years! I cannot express enough how grateful I am for your appreciation and patronage of this channel, my training style, and my kennel. Always remember, it’s a great day for a puppy-sized adventure! -Stonnie Dennis
Love the training with one exception…no name did so well sitting and staying and after Millie you cold heartedly put the bumper back in your vest. That poor boys heart must’ve sank for a moment thinking he wasn’t getting another retrieve. Lol In all seriousness I love your style on sensory introduction.
One of the reasons I love to watch your videos, Stonnie, is that you have a wonderful personality--honest, candid, just a *real* person. No wonder you've succeeded as a dog trainer.
Once again, Mr. Dennis, you have turned me on to a new thought. I lost my wonderful GSP in July. I will be 60 next year and I'm slowing down. I have been hesitant about getting another GSP because I am older and slowing down. I do love the WPG and didn't consider one as a new dog but now you have me thinking. You always get me thinking and I luv ya for that. Thank you most sincerely.
I have had griffons for 20 years now. As an aging hunter I can tell you their slower mythological hunting style is much appreciated and enjoyable. That being said they do not lack desire or prey drive. They love water and retrieving. And I'm 💯 truthful in that they are a much calmer sporting breed in the house and they turn it on when they are out in the field. I like to say they hunt and range like a lab but with a solid point.
I also lost my GSP this year...Im 47 and not sure I can give another GSP the highly active lifestyle they deserve...Best dog I've EVER had he is dearly missed and forever loved
I have had a WPG for more than 9 years. Here's my experience compared to a lab I owned 20 years before. Like the M. Dennis, I was very skeptical about all the praise the breed got. He's the first pointer I've owned. I read all the books I could buy. The first big difference is training. WPG's get bored easily. He'll retrieve 5-6 doubles then show me that's enough. A lab would retrieve all day. But the WPG loves it when I hide 5 dummies in the yard and make him find them. He'll do that all day. The lab would retrieve dead birds furiously. The WPG prefers looking for live birds but retrieves dead birds calmly. The lab would hang around after a retrieve where the WPG dumps the bird and takes off to find another. My lab was a much stronger swimmer and would leap in it anytime. The WPG doesn't like big waves but loves to swim even in pretty cold water. Where the lab would hang around me in the woods, the WPG even at 9 years old is just wild runner in the woods spending a lot of time out of gun range. He'll go through anything where the lab would go around the tough stuff. A lab always has to be near you but the griffon will be perfectly content to go sleep in another room. You can't leave any food out with a lab. With the griffon, he never takes any food we don't give him. I never taught him that. The lab was bolder and the WPG more cautious. I hunt in very rough east coast woods. The lab would alway cut a paw hunting. The WPG never cut a paw in yet. He'll cut his tongue, chest (have to buy a vest for him). WPG have amazing memories. The best compliment I've heard for a WPG was from a security officer that worked at an international airport in bomb detection. He said his griffon was the best dog he had in over 20 years. Would search all day and loved meeting all the people. That's pretty good.
@@karlmadsen3179 Not knowing what you'll be doing with it, I can't say if a WPG is the breed for you, but in my limited experience, you'd be hard pressed to find a pointing breed that would be a better pet or companion. Just imagine a hunting dog that will stay in the yard and watch dogs go by on a leash. They are not allowed to walk off the sidewalk onto our grass. Same goes for humans. Really laid back in the house and on fire in the woods. What more can you ask for.
I actually like your “random” breed descriptions. The club info on the internet is so biased. It’s always positive traits and the bad traits disguised behind euphemisms. Haters are just owners of that breed that takes things personal.
Thank you for another super educational video ! No substitute for a Korthall's Griffon😆 Mine is 3 yrs old, what a character, so much fun with him, biddable, loving,& adventurous we go hiking & sea swimming with him, such a powerful swimmer, he'll swim up to a mile & still not tire out😁thanks for featuring these wonderful dogs
Great video sir. I have two WPGs. I feel the description is pretty accurate. 90% of the time our dogs are house pets and we needed them to be great for that but also be able to take hunting. Here in the NW we hunt grouse in the woods, pheasants in the field and ducks in the winter. I liked the idea of having a pointer that could do it all but not drive the family crazy. Had a GSP growing up and she was an amazing hunter but always going 100mph. If you didnt work her daily she would get into trouble and didnt like being inside or loved on that much. She really only wanted to listen to our dad and tried to ignore everyone else. WPG are very sensitive though so you nailed that one. Anything that resembles scolding hurts their feelings. LOL We get a lot more production from baby talking them than commands.
We have two GSPs and I do think Stonnie nails it, and also kind of explains why so many people are sending them out to trainers. We do need to run ours every day or they find ways of getting into trouble, so you are right about that.
Great video and I think your summary is accurate. We have had two WPGs after 20 years of Goldens and Labs. We wanted an upland dog and chose the WPG to fit our "mission". We needed a great house dog that would fit my "old guy" hunting style. The WPG is perfect for that. They are lovers in the house and they have plenty of stamina and drive to outlast me. Plus they hunt close enough that I am not always on the run to get to a bird! One thing you have to be prepared for is the fact that every single time you leave the house with your dog you will have to answer the question, "What kind of dog is that?"
My kortholtz griffon adores the water , although I work him in the field as well. He is absolutely tireless and must be restrained when it’s below freezing. What a great guy!
This is just what I needed. I was very interested in the WPG, spoke with a few breeders and this totally solidified this is not the breed for me. I need to step back from bird dogs all together. The contrast with Mr. NoName really helps add perspective too. I would love to see more of these kinds of videos.
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My one goes through different tastes (I do NOT hunt) After flies, even bees, pidgeons, now it's the lizards 😂 That's just an interest The real problem to solve now is the garbage, as he was a stray, he looks for rubbish on the street, or cats food on the way, but we're working on it, as we did on birds, etc. He gets along with cats inside the property, while keeping away outside cats 😂
I'm a hunting dog guy and one thing not often mentioned (unless you're in the market) is prey drive. House pets usually want 0 on a 1-10 scale on prey drive. I want my dog to have a 6-7. DD and WPG have a notorious reputation for 8-10 on that scale from hunting breeders, meaning they'll bring dead things in the house they find or kill including skunks, squirrels, cats, raccoons, birds, etc. In the field, they'll get themselves pretty messed up from porcupines too.
Dude, I can’t get my Griff out of the water. He is a retrieving demon.When he hits the water you can hear it at the next farm. He does equally as well in the field. I let him go at it twice a day, and we always come back feeling great. My old yellow lab just takes a casual swim and stands beside me begging treats. And, it all comes naturally. That Dutch guy really knew what he was doing. Love your work!
I've got a 14yo gsp, (my first) and you hit the nail on the head in every description of the breed. She was an awesome bird dog but when confined to our property she spent her time hunting chipmunks or under my wife's butterfly bush hunting butterflies.
Hunted a griff for nearly 13 years. We hunted every where from Maine to South Dakota to Kansas for Grouse and pheasant. Wonderful breed that was easy to train and a clown in the house. RIP Magoo.
@@benjamingodinez4602 Stoneyridge Kennels in Brandon Wi. Picking up a pup next month. The grandfather of this new pup was a brother to my previous Griff, Magoo.
Fun video to watch.. My WPG/GSP cross (accidental) has been a wonderful dog. I lucked out and got the best of both worlds. Over 16 years old and hundreds of pheasants, ducks, geese, and grouse later she is still going. May not make another hunting season, but, she has been a great hunter and family dog too.
Most dogs are under exercised, under stimulated. Hunting dogs need even more exercise and stimulation than many others. Both of these breeds need regular play, fetch, their own toys, and good exercise. I've got a WPG who gets walked daily over 1,000 miles a year. He gets to visit his human and dog friends. He gets to chase birds, squirrels and rabbits. He's my personal trainer.
YES, I met a guy who was totally offended when I asked if he had a GWP. He corrected me and said angrily " Drahthaar". Give me a break on the attitude.... Excellent videos, Thank you
I have a German Wirehaired Pointer. He has been a fantastic gundog (now retired at 14) pheasants, ducks,s, and geese in deep fast water (salt) he never quit and always had more drive than I did at the end of the day. Very headstrong however and requires the same in a master.
Yep...I've got my first one. Having had excellent spaniels and a couple good wirehairs, the description is pretty accurate but a touch optimistic. Bohdie is a very well bred dog but we'll say that Bonehead is in a 15 dog history maybe tied for 14th in natural retrieving drive. But he's a great pet.
I love watching your videos because you have such a great attitude about working with each dog's personality. I learn so much - even though I don't (yet) have a dog. Thank you :)
I don't know much about them really. I have had a few here so I thought I would share my thoughts. I started to talk about the Korthal name, but I was not sure how to pronounce the name.
@@StonnieDennis I was out on the moors of England training my lab when I saw my first Korthals: I said to the handler ‘nice GWP’, he said ‘it’s not a German Wire-haired Pointer, it’s a Korthals Griffon!’ And that was my first ever education on the breed lol. I then met the same chap at a country fair which had rare breed hunting dogs like the Otter hound, Glen of Imaal terrier etc. The chap pronounced the name Korth all, but I’m Irish so I’m no linguist lol. Keep the great, educational videos coming Uncle Stonnie!
Excellent video! As a fellow trainer, I respect that key points in this video of which there are MANY. There is also a grooming aspect of the Griffon that is not part of the GSP. Coat maintenance in and out of the field is something folk should be aware of. Finding things like ticks on Griffons takes a bit more time too. Not a big deal but...
Stonnie, I love your videos partially because you are a lab guy and so am I. I did deviate for the first time in 30 years this spring and we got a WPG pup. He is amazing and he retrieves with my 3 yo American lab and has an amazing nose. We have not hunted him much because of his age and is super easy to train but gets board easily with too much repetition.
He reads the description of the griffon stating it is the ultimate hunting dog. As he says it (7:40) the GSP puppy is in the background scent tracking by himself. Great videos to observe unfamiliar hunting breeds.
I have a lab and a puppy that is a boarder collie heeler mix, we were out camping by a creek and it only took three trips down to the creek for the heeler mix to be swimming like a fish. The power of a confidant older dog is very useful.
Great Video - Patience and Persistence! Amen! I've done some things with NAVHDA and your breed comparison is spot on. Both are great dogs. Potential owners need to honestly look at their lifestyle (the reality, not the dream) and choose accordingly. Similar in personality to the WPG (to me anyway) is the Pudelpointer. A little larger, great in the water, and close working in the uplands. Perfect for me. Keep doing what you're doing Mr. Dennis!
THANK YOU so much for making such amazing videos! At the beginning of quarantine, I found your channel and binge watched all your videos! I watched so many other dog trainers but your training just makes sense! By far, you are the best dog trainer here on UA-cam! Thank you so, so much for making these videos. You are such a help to me! I still don't have a dog, but plan on getting a labrador retriever puppy someday! When the time comes, I will definitely revisit your labrador puppy training series. You're kids are so lucky to have a dad like you who even incorporates his work into their lives. I mean, they get to enjoy all the small adventures you take the dogs on too!
Korthal’s Griffon... thanks for talking about this wonderful breed. I have had GSPs for 30 years and my Friend breeds Korthal’s.. in fact her Last name is Korthal because some relative of hers created this hunting dog. I do think the GSP have more drive, but drive varies between individuals within both breeds, I find your can train a Field bred GSP for longer and with more repetitions... and you cannot a Korthal’s. Also be aware, The population of Korthal’s is smaller and as such the breed can suffer from some close line breedings.. think inheritable defects.
But I do think more Griffs belong to people who honestly use them to hunt. Labradors in this country have become a joke because to many people want them and the bloodline has suffered. I've seen Labs that need to be force trained to retrieve. And they look more like black Greyhounds then labs. I'll take the least popular breed any day of the week and choose my bloodlines carefully.
Great video on the Griffon! I don't own one yet but I belong to a Griffon group on facebook. These dogs do wonderfully with other pets in the home. Not just tolerant but loving if they are raised with them. I've seen griffons laying with cats and small dogs. But they were all raised from puppies. But then outdoors, they have crazy prey drive. They seem to work in non hunting families as well as a lab or golden. With their low shedding coat, I'm surprised they aren't more popular as pets.
I had a mini/standard schnauzer that was the best water retriever I have ever had. He was completely food motivated-we were feeding ducks as a family and he couldn't believe that we'd waste the bread. As a 4 month old he rocketed off the deck and swam after that floating bread and got every piece before the ducks could. We then started his training and he was a (fair weather) water retrieving pup by year 1! Who'd've thought?! Great vid! We are looking into getting a wpg as a new upland and duck dog. Thanks for sharing:)
We have two WPGs this is a great video and no name in mix is a great contrast between three great hunting breeds. I would add they are very vocal and while they maybe not as high energy as a GSP the puppy phase is intense so be prepared to be very active. The pool of WPGs is small so be on the lookout for inbreeding. Expect to pay north of 1k for a dog from a hunter breeder enthusiast... The show hunt real pro type breeders it can be several thousand dollars. Mine are not fancy but are great family hunt dogs. Good Facebook pages for both if you want to ask owners questions.
My wpg is an absolute genius in the field and water and also a good family dog. He is as intense in the field as any dog.. We all love him to death. Great dog!
Great video, very informative and entertaining. I love that green vest where you keep your water bottles with big front pockets. I need a vest like that!
anybody else see the dog dumping out in the backyard @ like 15:00 ? idk kinda funny. all these dogs are great right? all have such unique personalities. that little laberdoodle maybe? just running around messing with all the other dogs! funny! great video.
I wanted a griffon because I read a lot of good stuff about them but changed my mind when I met them in real life. Now I am on the waiting list for a german wirehaired pointer (deutsch drathaar)
Drahthaar are such amazing dogs, so strong and intelligent. I prefer them over the gsp, they are also nice dogs, but the gwp looks more polivalent to me, also good as a guard dog
Not sure why you changed your mind but I have had a griff for 12 years and am getting a puppy this December and they are amazing dogs, the best family dogs, most loyal dogs I've ever experienced, and work diligently with birds. We are part of a sportsman club and there will be 30 English setters that run by a bird and our dog is the only one to pick up on it. They are a truly a superior dog
Watching this was educational and hilarious just listening to your little tips like bending the knees when dogs run towards you and how you know each of the breeds personalities
Thank you! My husband has been looking for a puppy since i got my standard schnauzer but i told him i cant do another standard schnauzer so he found the wpg. I must admit i love my sofie girl but kinda wish i had found this breed before hand. Ss are a wee crazy
I am surprised the Griff didn’t jump right in. I’ve had five labs in my life, my Griffon is in the water just as fast if not faster then my labs were. He has swam down class rapids without hesitation.
Just as the words came out of your mouth I was also saying to myself "that doodle is aggravating" LOL. Fantastic video as always. I grew up with GSPs and English Pointers. But when it was time for a family dog the choice for us was a lab. I'd love one of each including a WPG!
Stonnie, I'd be interested on your thoughts about the differences in some of the behaviours regarding to the sex of the dog. Is Millie more cautious because she is female?
Sex has no determining factor on behavior. The truth is each dog personality is different even within the same litter. You'll have females that can be more independent, bold, and psychotic in a good way than their male siblings. There's two major differences between sexes males are usually bigger in size and weight; females will have heat cycles. Beyond, that each dog is unique to itself for personalities.
Good vid. Lays it all out. You can’t cut corners ,,, let em do their thing and it’ll all come together... btw. Bending your knees is a good tip,, don’t ask me how I know !
Shorthairs are so popular (#9 in ranking) and so many are pure pet-bred dogs that it is really difficult to describe them. High-registration breeds very widely due to multiple multiple breed splits, and a lot of trash breeding. Low-registration breeds are much more consistent.
@@vikingdogmanship comparing two different worlds would be comparing a hunting dog (Lab, GSP, or vizsla) to a LSG (Great Pyrenees, Tibetan mastiff, or Anatolian shepherd). To Compare the Lab to the Griffon is to compare the same category (bird dogs or retriever), but two different classes (upland bird to water foul). Both the Lab and Griffon can do both, but one excels at only one. Additionally, Stonnie was talking mostly/primarily about temperament not there job and how good they are at it.
That Griffon looks real cute, that polite and friendly temperament sure is a thing I like to see in a family dog. Stonnie, I was wondering, do you ever get dogs catching themselves a bunny, a bird, or some other wildlife? Is it something you try to prevent them from doing or is it more of a "**it happens" kind of thing?
Hi Stonnie! I've been loving all of your videos! I was wondering if you might ever consider making a video that focused on kennel work and things you have learned on the business side of things. I have been in the kennel and animal care industry for 10 years now and I love taking care of peoples pets and learning more about what I love. We do boarding and daycare, and off leash play and I am so curious to hear your thoughts on daycare programs. I know you work alot with puppies and are helping develop their social behaviors. What are some things you monitor and regulate to set them up for success? What are your thoughts on spay and neutering into adulthood? In my experience in tact animals tend to oftentimes not get along well with others in adult years. Is this something you find not to be the case with more socialization? One thing that truly takes me back is how you can throw treats around alot of dogs with no problem with guarding behaviors. Same with toys as well. Its so awesome to see! I know its kind of a niche video and maybe not one you would make but just thought I would try and throw it out there. I just love learning and always trying to improve my craft/business practices and its so great to see someone who is passionate about what they do. Thanks so much for everything, your awesome :D
I'm partial to wire haired dogs, since we had Wire haired fox terrier when I was a kid. I think they are cute. Also, your hair looks nice. Good haircut.
Hey Stonnie. Do you have any experience with Vizslas ? I assume they are similar to the GSPs but I feel a bit more “barky”. Any tips on how to prepare such a energetic breed to a new child baby? He will be 12 months at the time of our child’s birth. Thank you!
I have a mix of these two breeds. However, his father the Griffon, actually had rather short short hair and a minimal beard. The breeder explained this was more ideal for hunting and avoiding ticks. The result of the mix were pups that looked very much like a GSP, with wiry hair and a small goatee! Temperament & Size - GSP, I wish more Griffon traits were more evident.
Millie is a total opposite of any Griff i've ever been around, My GWP would've been in the water instantly, But my old Brittany was more of a water dog than any i ever saw
@@shilohm6558 vizslas are smaller more emotional, but faster and smaller bone structure. This means they’ll get colder faster and have a less forgiving training process but will also love you till the end of the earth. Gsp are also great and my preference because of bone structure and size. I could probably answer most questions you got if you have any!
@@Eliv537 Thanks for the response! I'm still torn between these 2 breeds. I have always had labs and now have a GS, but miss having a sporty water dog, since I live on the coast. I was set on a Vizsla, but recently I've been looking at GSPs, because I think they're gorgeous! But don't want to just get a dog, based on it's physical appearance only. Are GSPs really hyper? I know that all bird dogs are gonna require more work and exercise than a lab or my GS, but which do you think is more energetic, between a Vizsla and a GSP?
@@shilohm6558 GSPs are marginally stronger and have more endurance which makes them more energetic. Many people online tend to over state how crazy these dogs are, all though it’s true they could go all day at max speed they don’t need even close to that much exercise. For me 2-4 off leash walks a day is more than enough to tire my (3) dogs out. Another thing to take into consideration when people say this, is that they love this breed, and really want them to go to the best home so they make sure people are active. I have found that with well bred field and working lines (not show) you can get a true and reliable off switch (with proper mental stimulation that day). GSP are slightly more stubborn and less emotional out of the two velcro breeds. For me this was the second biggest reason I got them besides the bone structure/look. They are more forgiving during training due to the less “entitled/fragile” temperament. I mean those words in the best way because all dogs are like that. The final thing I will say is that any of the VHD (versatile hunting dogs) will do the same thing only with slight temperament disparities and coat length/weight. So I hate to say it but pick the one you think looks best. VHD can be found here on the “North American Versatile Hunting Dog Association” website, www.navhda.org/recognized-breeds/ *if you do plan on hunting a E/shock collar is necessary which can be a turn off for some people. But if not they make great family dogs
@@Eliv537 I can't thank you enough for taking the time to give me all that very informative and helpful information! ☺️ I think you provided more pertinent info than any video I've yet to see on YT. There seems to be a lack of informative GSP videos in general. Which is a real shame, considering how underated and beautiful I consider this breed to be. It is also good to know that they require about the same activity and exercise as the Vizsla, and that some of them are more specifically bred for the field, while the show lines might make for calmer house dogs. Just important to find the right breeders, who have a thorough understanding of the breed, like it sounds you do. Thanks again for the helpful info
Love your videos. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Do you have a design play for your small obstacle course? How long did is the green space? Asking for a puppy,😁
Are you a fan of my training style, but can’t travel to Kentucky to see me in person? No worries! I offer an awesome online dog training course, which includes access to an array of exclusive videos and content, personalized coaching, journaling, and in-depth mentoring and evaluation by yours truly! Just need some an advice or have a couple questions you need answered? I also offer professional consulting by the hour.
Both of these great services can be found here: kentuckycanine.com/onlinecoaching/online-basic-obedience-program
Thank you all for your remarkable support over the years! I cannot express enough how grateful I am for your appreciation and patronage of this channel, my training style, and my kennel. Always remember, it’s a great day for a puppy-sized adventure!
-Stonnie Dennis
Good to know that would be money well spent!
good to know looking to adopt a dog will keep posted
Love the training with one exception…no name did so well sitting and staying and after Millie you cold heartedly put the bumper back in your vest. That poor boys heart must’ve sank for a moment thinking he wasn’t getting another retrieve. Lol
In all seriousness I love your style on sensory introduction.
Where do I find more of these breed efficianatos ?
One of the reasons I love to watch your videos, Stonnie, is that you have a wonderful personality--honest, candid, just a *real* person. No wonder you've succeeded as a dog trainer.
Once again, Mr. Dennis, you have turned me on to a new thought. I lost my wonderful GSP in July. I will be 60 next year and I'm slowing down. I have been hesitant about getting another GSP because I am older and slowing down. I do love the WPG and didn't consider one as a new dog but now you have me thinking. You always get me thinking and I luv ya for that. Thank you most sincerely.
I have had griffons for 20 years now. As an aging hunter I can tell you their slower mythological hunting style is much appreciated and enjoyable. That being said they do not lack desire or prey drive. They love water and retrieving. And I'm 💯 truthful in that they are a much calmer sporting breed in the house and they turn it on when they are out in the field. I like to say they hunt and range like a lab but with a solid point.
I also lost my GSP this year...Im 47 and not sure I can give another GSP the highly active lifestyle they deserve...Best dog I've EVER had he is dearly missed and forever loved
I’ve own a wirehair griffon. They are exceptionally loyal family dogs, yet highly trainable and exceptional natural hunters.
I have had a WPG for more than 9 years. Here's my experience compared to a lab I owned 20 years before. Like the M. Dennis, I was very skeptical about all the praise the breed got. He's the first pointer I've owned. I read all the books I could buy. The first big difference is training. WPG's get bored easily. He'll retrieve 5-6 doubles then show me that's enough. A lab would retrieve all day. But the WPG loves it when I hide 5 dummies in the yard and make him find them. He'll do that all day. The lab would retrieve dead birds furiously. The WPG prefers looking for live birds but retrieves dead birds calmly. The lab would hang around after a retrieve where the WPG dumps the bird and takes off to find another. My lab was a much stronger swimmer and would leap in it anytime. The WPG doesn't like big waves but loves to swim even in pretty cold water. Where the lab would hang around me in the woods, the WPG even at 9 years old is just wild runner in the woods spending a lot of time out of gun range. He'll go through anything where the lab would go around the tough stuff. A lab always has to be near you but the griffon will be perfectly content to go sleep in another room. You can't leave any food out with a lab. With the griffon, he never takes any food we don't give him. I never taught him that. The lab was bolder and the WPG more cautious. I hunt in very rough east coast woods. The lab would alway cut a paw hunting. The WPG never cut a paw in yet. He'll cut his tongue, chest (have to buy a vest for him). WPG have amazing memories. The best compliment I've heard for a WPG was from a security officer that worked at an international airport in bomb detection. He said his griffon was the best dog he had in over 20 years. Would search all day and loved meeting all the people. That's pretty good.
Awesome info thanks for sharing
This is an excellent description/comparison. Very helpful...(I'm in dog shopping mode)....
@@karlmadsen3179 Not knowing what you'll be doing with it, I can't say if a WPG is the breed for you, but in my limited experience, you'd be hard pressed to find a pointing breed that would be a better pet or companion. Just imagine a hunting dog that will stay in the yard and watch dogs go by on a leash. They are not allowed to walk off the sidewalk onto our grass. Same goes for humans. Really laid back in the house and on fire in the woods. What more can you ask for.
That was the longest, kept short but insightful comparison I've read in my wormhole of WPG's.
Yes perfect comparison i own both breeds but its very hard for me to train my Griffon she is tooooo much! And she acts like a cat sometimes too 😂
I actually like your “random” breed descriptions. The club info on the internet is so biased. It’s always positive traits and the bad traits disguised behind euphemisms. Haters are just owners of that breed that takes things personal.
Yeah every single breed is described as loyal.
@@wholesome122 lol
Thank you for another super educational video ! No substitute for a Korthall's Griffon😆
Mine is 3 yrs old, what a character, so much fun with him, biddable, loving,& adventurous we go hiking & sea swimming with him, such a powerful swimmer, he'll swim up to a mile & still not tire out😁thanks for featuring these wonderful dogs
I love your humbleness. Thanks for making this video!
Thank you for watching!
This video contributed to our final decision on getting a Griff. Words cannot describe what an amazing breed this is.
Great video sir. I have two WPGs. I feel the description is pretty accurate. 90% of the time our dogs are house pets and we needed them to be great for that but also be able to take hunting. Here in the NW we hunt grouse in the woods, pheasants in the field and ducks in the winter. I liked the idea of having a pointer that could do it all but not drive the family crazy. Had a GSP growing up and she was an amazing hunter but always going 100mph. If you didnt work her daily she would get into trouble and didnt like being inside or loved on that much. She really only wanted to listen to our dad and tried to ignore everyone else. WPG are very sensitive though so you nailed that one. Anything that resembles scolding hurts their feelings. LOL We get a lot more production from baby talking them than commands.
We have two GSPs and I do think Stonnie nails it, and also kind of explains why so many people are sending them out to trainers. We do need to run ours every day or they find ways of getting into trouble, so you are right about that.
Great video and I think your summary is accurate. We have had two WPGs after 20 years of Goldens and Labs. We wanted an upland dog and chose the WPG to fit our "mission". We needed a great house dog that would fit my "old guy" hunting style. The WPG is perfect for that. They are lovers in the house and they have plenty of stamina and drive to outlast me. Plus they hunt close enough that I am not always on the run to get to a bird! One thing you have to be prepared for is the fact that every single time you leave the house with your dog you will have to answer the question, "What kind of dog is that?"
So true.
this video convinced us to get a WPG 3 years ago and now I'm addicted.
I absolutely love my Griff. She makes me smile everytime I see her cute face. She's always ready for adventure too.
My kortholtz griffon adores the water , although I work him in the field as well. He is absolutely tireless and must be restrained when it’s below freezing. What a great guy!
This is just what I needed. I was very interested in the WPG, spoke with a few breeders and this totally solidified this is not the breed for me. I need to step back from bird dogs all together. The contrast with Mr. NoName really helps add perspective too.
I would love to see more of these kinds of videos.
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Curious,... Which one did you went with?
My one goes through different tastes (I do NOT hunt)
After flies, even bees, pidgeons, now it's the lizards 😂
That's just an interest
The real problem to solve now is the garbage, as he was a stray, he looks for rubbish on the street, or cats food on the way, but we're working on it, as we did on birds, etc. He gets along with cats inside the property, while keeping away outside cats 😂
I'm a hunting dog guy and one thing not often mentioned (unless you're in the market) is prey drive. House pets usually want 0 on a 1-10 scale on prey drive. I want my dog to have a 6-7. DD and WPG have a notorious reputation for 8-10 on that scale from hunting breeders, meaning they'll bring dead things in the house they find or kill including skunks, squirrels, cats, raccoons, birds, etc. In the field, they'll get themselves pretty messed up from porcupines too.
Dude, I can’t get my Griff out of the water. He is a retrieving demon.When he hits the water you can hear it at the next farm. He does equally as well in the field. I let him go at it twice a day, and we always come back feeling great. My old yellow lab just takes a casual swim and stands beside me begging treats. And, it all comes naturally. That Dutch guy really knew what he was doing. Love your work!
I've got a 14yo gsp, (my first) and you hit the nail on the head in every description of the breed. She was an awesome bird dog but when confined to our property she spent her time hunting chipmunks or under my wife's butterfly bush hunting butterflies.
Finally an honest description of these dogs very accurate. Nice job with the video.
Love my WPGs. They are outstanding water retrievers. IMHO they are the smartest of upland hunting breeds. Super easy to train.
Hunted a griff for nearly 13 years. We hunted every where from Maine to South Dakota to Kansas for Grouse and pheasant. Wonderful breed that was easy to train and a clown in the house. RIP Magoo.
Any luck on finding a good beeeder
Breeder sorry
@@benjamingodinez4602 Stoneyridge Kennels in Brandon Wi. Picking up a pup next month. The grandfather of this new pup was a brother to my previous Griff, Magoo.
APPRECIATE YOUR HONESTY MR. STONNIE! MUCH LOVE FROM CALIFORNIA!
Fun video to watch.. My WPG/GSP cross (accidental) has been a wonderful dog. I lucked out and got the best of both worlds. Over 16 years old and hundreds of pheasants, ducks, geese, and grouse later she is still going. May not make another hunting season, but, she has been a great hunter and family dog too.
I just picked a 2 year old WPG/GSP cross a week ago he's been fantastic so far
@@MrBigdc111 finally had to have her put down in February 2022. Just a few weeks shy of 17. Her heart was giving out. Very sad.
Most dogs are under exercised, under stimulated. Hunting dogs need even more exercise and stimulation than many others. Both of these breeds need regular play, fetch, their own toys, and good exercise.
I've got a WPG who gets walked daily over 1,000 miles a year. He gets to visit his human and dog friends. He gets to chase birds, squirrels and rabbits. He's my personal trainer.
YES, I met a guy who was totally offended when I asked if he had a GWP. He corrected me and said angrily " Drahthaar". Give me a break on the attitude.... Excellent videos, Thank you
Drat. Now I want a WHPG! Great video. I like how you showed the dogs in various environments.
I have a German Wirehaired Pointer. He has been a fantastic gundog (now retired at 14) pheasants, ducks,s, and geese in deep fast water (salt) he never quit and always had more drive than I did at the end of the day. Very headstrong however and requires the same in a master.
What a wonderful, engaging glimpse into the similarities and differences of two outstanding dogs. Thank you.
Yep...I've got my first one. Having had excellent spaniels and a couple good wirehairs, the description is pretty accurate but a touch optimistic. Bohdie is a very well bred dog but we'll say that Bonehead is in a 15 dog history maybe tied for 14th in natural retrieving drive. But he's a great pet.
Thank you the non biased comparison video! Looking for a versatile hunting breed and this is exactly what I was looking for.
You are welcome!
Great video Ive got a Wirehaired Pointing Griffon on the way and this solidified my decision.
This was a big help. Thank you! We have a mixed breed pointer and wanted to learn more about the Griffon.
Thanks for watching!
I love watching your videos because you have such a great attitude about working with each dog's personality. I learn so much - even though I don't (yet) have a dog. Thank you :)
I know them as Korthals Griffon. However, whatever you want to call them, they are all grand! Great Vid Uncle Stonnie.
I don't know much about them really. I have had a few here so I thought I would share my thoughts. I started to talk about the Korthal name, but I was not sure how to pronounce the name.
@@StonnieDennis I was out on the moors of England training my lab when I saw my first Korthals: I said to the handler ‘nice GWP’, he said ‘it’s not a German Wire-haired Pointer, it’s a Korthals Griffon!’ And that was my first ever education on the breed lol. I then met the same chap at a country fair which had rare breed hunting dogs like the Otter hound, Glen of Imaal terrier etc. The chap pronounced the name Korth all, but I’m Irish so I’m no linguist lol. Keep the great, educational videos coming Uncle Stonnie!
Excellent video! As a fellow trainer, I respect that key points in this video of which there are MANY. There is also a grooming aspect of the Griffon that is not part of the GSP. Coat maintenance in and out of the field is something folk should be aware of. Finding things like ticks on Griffons takes a bit more time too. Not a big deal but...
Stonnie, I love your videos partially because you are a lab guy and so am I. I did deviate for the first time in 30 years this spring and we got a WPG pup. He is amazing and he retrieves with my 3 yo American lab and has an amazing nose. We have not hunted him much because of his age and is super easy to train but gets board easily with too much repetition.
He reads the description of the griffon stating it is the ultimate hunting dog. As he says it (7:40) the GSP puppy is in the background scent tracking by himself. Great videos to observe unfamiliar hunting breeds.
19:20Millie tosses her hair in the wind, she knows she’s beautiful.
I have a lab and a puppy that is a boarder collie heeler mix, we were out camping by a creek and it only took three trips down to the creek for the heeler mix to be swimming like a fish. The power of a confidant older dog is very useful.
Great Video - Patience and Persistence! Amen! I've done some things with NAVHDA and your breed comparison is spot on. Both are great dogs. Potential owners need to honestly look at their lifestyle (the reality, not the dream) and choose accordingly. Similar in personality to the WPG (to me anyway) is the Pudelpointer. A little larger, great in the water, and close working in the uplands. Perfect for me. Keep doing what you're doing Mr. Dennis!
I love them and i also love Blue Heelers.
THANK YOU so much for making such amazing videos! At the beginning of quarantine, I found your channel and binge watched all your videos! I watched so many other dog trainers but your training just makes sense! By far, you are the best dog trainer here on UA-cam! Thank you so, so much for making these videos. You are such a help to me! I still don't have a dog, but plan on getting a labrador retriever puppy someday! When the time comes, I will definitely revisit your labrador puppy training series. You're kids are so lucky to have a dad like you who even incorporates his work into their lives. I mean, they get to enjoy all the small adventures you take the dogs on too!
I just came across your videos...absolutely love the way you train. Your laidback approach and understanding the breeds. thanks!
Korthal’s Griffon... thanks for talking about this wonderful breed. I have had GSPs for 30 years and my Friend breeds Korthal’s.. in fact her Last name is Korthal because some relative of hers created this hunting dog. I do think the GSP have more drive, but drive varies between individuals within both breeds, I find your can train a Field bred GSP for longer and with more repetitions... and you cannot a Korthal’s. Also be aware, The population of Korthal’s is smaller and as such the breed can suffer from some close line breedings.. think inheritable defects.
But I do think more Griffs belong to people who honestly use them to hunt. Labradors in this country have become a joke because to many people want them and the bloodline has suffered. I've seen Labs that need to be force trained to retrieve. And they look more like black Greyhounds then labs. I'll take the least popular breed any day of the week and choose my bloodlines carefully.
Great video on the Griffon! I don't own one yet but I belong to a Griffon group on facebook. These dogs do wonderfully with other pets in the home. Not just tolerant but loving if they are raised with them. I've seen griffons laying with cats and small dogs. But they were all raised from puppies. But then outdoors, they have crazy prey drive. They seem to work in non hunting families as well as a lab or golden. With their low shedding coat, I'm surprised they aren't more popular as pets.
I had a mini/standard schnauzer that was the best water retriever I have ever had. He was completely food motivated-we were feeding ducks as a family and he couldn't believe that we'd waste the bread. As a 4 month old he rocketed off the deck and swam after that floating bread and got every piece before the ducks could. We then started his training and he was a (fair weather) water retrieving pup by year 1! Who'd've thought?! Great vid! We are looking into getting a wpg as a new upland and duck dog. Thanks for sharing:)
They have human eyes:)
My friends have one among their dogs and I was immediately drawn to him. He has a white Mohawk
We have two WPGs this is a great video and no name in mix is a great contrast between three great hunting breeds. I would add they are very vocal and while they maybe not as high energy as a GSP the puppy phase is intense so be prepared to be very active. The pool of WPGs is small so be on the lookout for inbreeding. Expect to pay north of 1k for a dog from a hunter breeder enthusiast... The show hunt real pro type breeders it can be several thousand dollars. Mine are not fancy but are great family hunt dogs. Good Facebook pages for both if you want to ask owners questions.
My wpg is an absolute genius in the field and water and also a good family dog. He is as intense in the field as any dog.. We all love him to death. Great dog!
Great video, very informative and entertaining. I love that green vest where you keep your water bottles with big front pockets. I need a vest like that!
Great video and side by side comparison opportunity. Happy dogs
Thank you!
My dog is half GSP and this video game me so much insight into her! Thanks, Stonnie!
anybody else see the dog dumping out in the backyard @ like 15:00 ? idk kinda funny. all these dogs are great right? all have such unique personalities. that little laberdoodle maybe? just running around messing with all the other dogs! funny! great video.
I wanted a griffon because I read a lot of good stuff about them but changed my mind when I met them in real life. Now I am on the waiting list for a german wirehaired pointer (deutsch drathaar)
Drahthaar are such amazing dogs, so strong and intelligent. I prefer them over the gsp, they are also nice dogs, but the gwp looks more polivalent to me, also good as a guard dog
Not sure why you changed your mind but I have had a griff for 12 years and am getting a puppy this December and they are amazing dogs, the best family dogs, most loyal dogs I've ever experienced, and work diligently with birds. We are part of a sportsman club and there will be 30 English setters that run by a bird and our dog is the only one to pick up on it. They are a truly a superior dog
My favorite video of yours yet! Good job brother
Thank you! I really appreciate the positive feedback!
Thanks for posting this we just got a GSP!
Watching this was educational and hilarious just listening to your little tips like bending the knees when dogs run towards you and how you know each of the breeds personalities
We love your videos!
Thank you!
We got one in the middle; German Wirehaired Pointer 💖
In Europe we have many wirehaired german pointers. It's a breed of their own. Bigger than griffon and with the mind of a short hair pointer.
Thank you for this video, really informative, looking at getting a WPG and you have really helped... THANK YOU!!!!
I have a WPG such an accurate description
Great description. I have a 5 month old WPG, amazing dog.
What a great video- so fun to watch!
Wonderful property- how many acres do you have for the dogs to learn on?
Great video. Really interesting seeing how different they are in the different situations.
Thank you! My husband has been looking for a puppy since i got my standard schnauzer but i told him i cant do another standard schnauzer so he found the wpg. I must admit i love my sofie girl but kinda wish i had found this breed before hand. Ss are a wee crazy
Great video. I really enjoy my WPG we are thinking about adding a Red Setter to the mix. Can you do a video on a Irish Setter.
I am surprised the Griff didn’t jump right in. I’ve had five labs in my life, my Griffon is in the water just as fast if not faster then my labs were. He has swam down class rapids without hesitation.
Same here. My Griff will dive into water along with the best labs. Guess it might depend on how they were introduced.
Thanks for the video. I wanted someone to make this.
Just as the words came out of your mouth I was also saying to myself "that doodle is aggravating" LOL. Fantastic video as always. I grew up with GSPs and English Pointers. But when it was time for a family dog the choice for us was a lab. I'd love one of each including a WPG!
Stonnie, I'd be interested on your thoughts about the differences in some of the behaviours regarding to the sex of the dog. Is Millie more cautious because she is female?
no
Sex has no determining factor on behavior. The truth is each dog personality is different even within the same litter. You'll have females that can be more independent, bold, and psychotic in a good way than their male siblings.
There's two major differences between sexes males are usually bigger in size and weight; females will have heat cycles. Beyond, that each dog is unique to itself for personalities.
@@USAFTACP completely wrong sex absolutely has an effect on there temperament and behaviour.
Good vid. Lays it all out. You can’t cut corners ,,, let em do their thing and it’ll all come together... btw. Bending your knees is a good tip,, don’t ask me how I know !
Shorthairs are so popular (#9 in ranking) and so many are pure pet-bred dogs that it is really difficult to describe them. High-registration breeds very widely due to multiple multiple breed splits, and a lot of trash breeding. Low-registration breeds are much more consistent.
Thank you Stonnie. I learned a lot from this video.
I have a question do u feed them in the morning and at night?
they make excellent ranch dogs as well
Thanks Stonnie!
Mr. No-Name should get assistant producer credits for wrangling those pointers!
Very informative videos. Do you have any content and/or experience with Pudelpointer's?
I liked comparison of breeds / would enjoy features on visla,gwp ,or weirmeraner also . I have 2 gsp's ,thought video was spot on ...
Absolutely love your videos!
Stonnie, What are you thoughts when comparing the Griffon to the labs?
two different worlds
@@vikingdogmanship comparing two different worlds would be comparing a hunting dog (Lab, GSP, or vizsla) to a LSG (Great Pyrenees, Tibetan mastiff, or Anatolian shepherd). To Compare the Lab to the Griffon is to compare the same category (bird dogs or retriever), but two different classes (upland bird to water foul). Both the Lab and Griffon can do both, but one excels at only one. Additionally, Stonnie was talking mostly/primarily about temperament not there job and how good they are at it.
@@joelparsons608 True
That Griffon looks real cute, that polite and friendly temperament sure is a thing I like to see in a family dog. Stonnie, I was wondering, do you ever get dogs catching themselves a bunny, a bird, or some other wildlife? Is it something you try to prevent them from doing or is it more of a "**it happens" kind of thing?
Great content. Love it.
A breed mix between the two is perfect...a gwp ! I’m biased tho lol
Hi Stonnie! I've been loving all of your videos! I was wondering if you might ever consider making a video that focused on kennel work and things you have learned on the business side of things. I have been in the kennel and animal care industry for 10 years now and I love taking care of peoples pets and learning more about what I love. We do boarding and daycare, and off leash play and I am so curious to hear your thoughts on daycare programs.
I know you work alot with puppies and are helping develop their social behaviors. What are some things you monitor and regulate to set them up for success? What are your thoughts on spay and neutering into adulthood? In my experience in tact animals tend to oftentimes not get along well with others in adult years. Is this something you find not to be the case with more socialization?
One thing that truly takes me back is how you can throw treats around alot of dogs with no problem with guarding behaviors. Same with toys as well. Its so awesome to see!
I know its kind of a niche video and maybe not one you would make but just thought I would try and throw it out there. I just love learning and always trying to improve my craft/business practices and its so great to see someone who is passionate about what they do. Thanks so much for everything, your awesome :D
Where does one pick up a "garden & gun" magazine?
The grocery store.
Love how no name is just out there swimming before you even threw the dummy lol
I had a griffon and they are actually like described. When I see Milly I recognize Toby.
Is Millie going back to her owner? Are you going to give her back? I’m pretty sure the doodle ate crack for breakfast.
Good analogy. Garden and gun dog!
When getting the dogs into the boat, you gave Milly zero vocal cues or whistles, yet gave the other two breeds both vocal cues and whistles. Why?
I'm partial to wire haired dogs, since we had Wire haired fox terrier when I was a kid. I think they are cute. Also, your hair looks nice. Good haircut.
Thank you!
Hey Stonnie. Do you have any experience with Vizslas ? I assume they are similar to the GSPs but I feel a bit more “barky”. Any tips on how to prepare such a energetic breed to a new child baby? He will be 12 months at the time of our child’s birth. Thank you!
Yes!! Please Stonnie, an informative video on Vizslas would be much appreciated!! 👍
I have a mix of these two breeds. However, his father the Griffon, actually had rather short short hair and a minimal beard. The breeder explained this was more ideal for hunting and avoiding ticks. The result of the mix were pups that looked very much like a GSP, with wiry hair and a small goatee! Temperament & Size - GSP, I wish more Griffon traits were more evident.
Millie is a total opposite of any Griff i've ever been around, My GWP would've been in the water instantly, But my old Brittany was more of a water dog than any i ever saw
Do you think it would be ok to own a WGP as a family pet and not hunt? Thank you.
Awesome video! Thanks!!
Stonnie... loving your stuff...
why they're so lovely
If you ever do a video on Vizslas I would love to see it! Trying to decide between the GSP and Vizsla 😊
Love your channel!
Wow, me too!! Been waiting for him to do a video on Vizslas.
Which did you end up getting? Am SUPER curious! ☺️😁
@@shilohm6558 vizslas are smaller more emotional, but faster and smaller bone structure. This means they’ll get colder faster and have a less forgiving training process but will also love you till the end of the earth. Gsp are also great and my preference because of bone structure and size. I could probably answer most questions you got if you have any!
@@Eliv537 Thanks for the response! I'm still torn between these 2 breeds. I have always had labs and now have a GS, but miss having a sporty water dog, since I live on the coast.
I was set on a Vizsla, but recently I've been looking at GSPs, because I think they're gorgeous! But don't want to just get a dog, based on it's physical appearance only. Are GSPs really hyper? I know that all bird dogs are gonna require more work and exercise than a lab or my GS, but which do you think is more energetic, between a Vizsla and a GSP?
@@shilohm6558 GSPs are marginally stronger and have more endurance which makes them more energetic. Many people online tend to over state how crazy these dogs are, all though it’s true they could go all day at max speed they don’t need even close to that much exercise. For me 2-4 off leash walks a day is more than enough to tire my (3) dogs out. Another thing to take into consideration when people say this, is that they love this breed, and really want them to go to the best home so they make sure people are active. I have found that with well bred field and working lines (not show) you can get a true and reliable off switch (with proper mental stimulation that day). GSP are slightly more stubborn and less emotional out of the two velcro breeds. For me this was the second biggest reason I got them besides the bone structure/look. They are more forgiving during training due to the less “entitled/fragile” temperament. I mean those words in the best way because all dogs are like that. The final thing I will say is that any of the VHD (versatile hunting dogs) will do the same thing only with slight temperament disparities and coat length/weight. So I hate to say it but pick the one you think looks best. VHD can be found here on the “North American Versatile Hunting Dog Association” website, www.navhda.org/recognized-breeds/
*if you do plan on hunting a E/shock collar is necessary which can be a turn off for some people. But if not they make great family dogs
@@Eliv537 I can't thank you enough for taking the time to give me all that very informative and helpful information! ☺️ I think you provided more pertinent info than any video I've yet to see on YT. There seems to be a lack of informative GSP videos in general. Which is a real shame, considering how underated and beautiful I consider this breed to be. It is also good to know that they require about the same activity and exercise as the Vizsla, and that some of them are more specifically bred for the field, while the show lines might make for calmer house dogs. Just important to find the right breeders, who have a thorough understanding of the breed, like it sounds you do.
Thanks again for the helpful info
Love your videos. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Do you have a design play for your small obstacle course? How long did is the green space? Asking for a puppy,😁