THE SANDMAN 1x2 Reaction/Review! "Chapter 2: Imperfect Hosts"
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- Опубліковано 3 лис 2024
- I've always heard people speak high praise of THE SANDMAN comics but I'd never read them. As a novice, I'm excited to experience this world Neil Gaiman crafted with fresh eyes! #TheSandman #Sandman #Netflix
The Sandman is an American fantasy drama television series based on the 1989-1996 comic book written by Neil Gaiman and published by DC Comics. The series was developed by Gaiman, David S. Goyer, and Allan Heinberg for the streaming service Netflix, and is being produced by DC Entertainment and Warner Bros. Television. Like the comic, The Sandman tells the story of Dream, the titular Sandman. It stars Tom Sturridge as Dream, with Gwendoline Christie, Vivienne Acheampong, Boyd Holbrook, Charles Dance, Asim Chaudhry, and Sanjeev Bhaskar in supporting roles.
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About the name: his name is Dream, as well as his designation as one of the Endless. As the personification of dreams, he has different names from different mythology through history. Morpheus is the Roman god of dreams, so the name also applies to Dream. It’s all just different terms for the same being.
Yeah, he's called by many names during the comic's run depending on who's talking to him, usually the name of that character's culture's god of dreams.
Morpheus is not Roman, it's Greek.
@@Katwind No, Morpheus is Roman. Oneiros is the Greek equivalent.
@@ittyandpocky Actually, both terms are greek. In greek mythology, Hypnos and Nyx (or Palisteia) had many children called The Oneiros, who are the different personifications of the dreams. The most popular of The Oneiros, and to an extent their leader, is Morpheus.
I felt the same as you. Tom’s facial expression is so amazing, I felt the pain in his eyes too when he took Gregory back. I saw it when Jessamy got killed too.
Dream's reaction to Jessamy hurt. A lot.
Just to clarify - the brothers are the actual Cain and Abel. I won't spoil how exactly they ended up in the Dreaming, but they became Dreams after their deaths.
They are and aren't, because even they admit they weren't human.
John Constantine was changed to his ancestor Johanna (the character exists and is not a genderbend) because something was planned to be done with John on HBO, probably cancelled along with other DC projects in the last week like Zatanna
yes! I had to research what the heck was going on with John because of it was a gender swap it was so horribly done and was really disappointed at first. But then when I realized it was his ancestor Joanna and it made sense. At first I was pissed1 then I was like “ok”. 😂😏
@@priestessofwonderland7384 yeah they didn’t actually have the rights to John himself, so they fused him with his ancestor
@@fraelikkriil830 It's not really in line with the way it's portrayed (since DC properties tend to be much more self-contained than, for example, Marvel ones), but I kind of imagine that there's other Constantines out there, a whole sort of cursed family tree. Johanna, the John we all know... maybe even an American cousin who looks like Keanu Reeves.
An important detail in my opinion is the Library disappearing, as Lucian was the keeper of it, it shows just how loyal she is that the one place she was there to care for is gone and she still remained waiting
Dream is one of the Endless. He is also known as the Sandman, Morpheus, the Oneiromancer, K'aickul, the Prince of Stories, etcetera etcera. The other Endless are Destiny, Destruction, Death, Desire, Despair, and Delerium (formerlu Delight).
Boyd Holbrook is such a good villain. I remember repeatedly having to tell myself in "Logan," he's just some dude with a robot hand, calm down, that isn't scary compared to some X-Men. But I did have to keep reminding myself of that, because he was such a great villain anyways.
One of the things Neil Gaiman included was to mine old DC properties that they hadn't used for decades and didn't have any plans for. Cain was the host of the "House of Mystery" horror comic, Abel hosted "House of Secrets." Kind of how like the Crypt Keeper hosted "Tales from the Crypt," introducing and narrating each horror story in the anthology. Even the oldest of the Endless, Destiny, originally had a similar comic from way back when.
This show rules so hard. The next four episodes are ALL absolute PEAK. Can’t wait to watch your reactions to them
and on the topic of names...
"Dream of the Endless" is kind of his "real name", "Morpheus" is one name he's known as, as well as Kai'ckul, Oneiros, L'zoril, etc.
and "Constan-tyne" is the correct pronunciation of that name. John gets annoyed at people saying "Constan-teen" in the comics, and corrects them. there's pretty frequent pronunciation guides in the comics, in one form or another, actually
The disrespect of this show to make me sob over a gargoyle 5 minutes after meeting it
As a Sandman comic fan, I have to say im really enjoying the show. There are some changes that at first glance I might have been opposed to. But honestly the show is amazing so far. And I really feel like it deserves a second season after this. Great series. Looking forward to your reactions ☺️🙏
I am really interested to know how authentic the vortex story line is, because it feels so disjointed from the rest of the show in terms of competency I hardly doubt both are from the same mind
@@kirathekillernote2173 that's sorta the beauty of The Sandman, it's a very complex somewhat disjointed series of events that interconnect as the story unfolds
@@kirathekillernote2173 It's almost straight up from the comics with some changes to tied it a bit more with the continuity necessary for TV.
@@kirathekillernote2173 as Granddaddy Otaku said, it's actually part of the way Sandman was written originally.
You get different, seemingly unrelated stories, arcs, characters. But along the way, things start to make sense, link between events appears, it's quite the ride.
And as said by gregdesouza17, they actually made some changes to tie things together better in the first season and not give too much of that disjointed feeling to people who know nothing about the Sandman comic.
Yes, in the first saga of the comic series we had John Constantine instead Johanna (she appears in the past only). Also other characters as Martian Manhunter and Mister Miracle from the Justice League of that time (80´s). The "Villain"-the guy with the rubi- also a Justice League rogue.
This is the first and only show to make me fall in love with a gargoyle in 2 seconds flat and then cry 2 mins later when it was "killed". It has a way of making u care about characters immediately which I think is special
The casting is so perfect. Obviously Dream was the most important and I honestly can’t think of a better choice. I also love every single casting choice. I’m on episode 10 currently, and taking a break to eat and watch your reactions.
Morpheus is actually the Roman god of dreams (Morph: shape. Hence, the another title of Dream is "The Lord Shaper"). Oneiros is the Ancient Greek god of dreams. They are both names of Dream. Oneiros is also actually the Greek word for dream. The comic book character tends to go by the name Morpheus. But he's also referred to by other names occasionally.
His name is dream as well as his designation, as well as morpheus, he has different names for all the different groups of ppl who believe in him. I believe that is the Cain and Abel from the Bible and dream def was devastated having to take his power back from the gargoyle
If the first two episodes get you, just wait till episode 4 and 6 ( 5 is also excellent but extremely brutal .) For me, the moment when Morpheus tells Lucifer what power dreams have in Hell remains one of the most powerful moments in any comic ever. But nothing has ever been more beautiful than the Sound of Her Wings. Oh my God, how I cried. And then they went and brought in Hob and had me bawling again.
As someone who just lost a pet this past weekend, the scene with Gregory being unmade hit really hard, and I knew it was coming.
I'm so sorry man. I hope your pet is happy at pet heaven
your comment at the start..."makes me wonder what would happen if one of the other [Endless] tapped out" ...well, one of them did. they alluded to it in the first episode, i assume they'll talk about it more later, but maybe not this season...
His name is Dream, you meet a few siblings and they only call him that. Mortals or those that used to be mortals call him Morpheus or Lord Morpheus. He has had other names too just only for particular people. The Endless are technically just his family.
The house of mystery that cain has is the same one that Constantine ends up getting
Well he did kill his twin brother in utero. So I guess it's got a fitting. Oh wait, when DC absorbed his character from Vertigo, they changed that didn't they?
Good idea to wait to read the comics until after the show. If you start reading after the first season, be sure not to overshoot the parts covered by the season (and maybe do a UA-cam posting afterwards about what you find out -- that would be interesting).
Cain and Abel were existing comics characters before the Sandman series started. They were the hosts of the horror anthology series House of Mystery and House of Secrets (referred to in the dialogue).
"Awwwwww, it's so ugly!" *laughing * That was not where I expected that sentence to go, and I snorted my coffee. Accurate, but unexpected :D
Hey Omni! Long-time lurker, recent subscriber, fellow reactor here. I'm really digging your reactions to this series so far. I'm approaching it from a completely different angle, since I'm a long-term, hard-core fan of the Sandman comic - in fact, it was this comic that turned me onto comics in the first place. But I've been super curious to know how someone unfamiliar with the title would react to this show and I'm loving hearing your thoughts, commentary and speculations. I can't recommend the books highly enough, but I know how busy it can be as a reactor, so whether you check them out or not, I get it. Enjoy the rest of the ride!
I remember hearing the idea that Cain and Abel are one of the oldest stories, and Dream is also lord over Stories, as well as dreams and nightmares.
I heard the issue with John Constantine was a licencing problem. I wonder if the other places it fudged the DC associations are the same thing?
Definitely agree about the visuals, they were a BIG part of what made the original books so good, amazing to see this show expand upon them in such amazing ways... it really shows that Neil Gaiman was VERY involved in this show.
Dream's attitude was different because Gregory was a harmless dream that had done nothing wrong and needed to be sacrificed for the greater good, whereas the Corinthian is a nightmare who broke the rules by going into the real world and murdering people and had to be stopped.
RIP Gregory!
Johanna Constantine is actually in the comics as John’s ancestor fro 300 years prior.
He has many names. Every culture in the universe has a name for the endless. There is even a Morpheus that is a alien flower on "Sandman overture" (a prequel that tells what happened before he was captured. There was a planet where flowers have minds and dreams.
Despite the live action series being adapted in a way to distance it from other DC materials (and the potential resulting legal entanglements), Gaiman was given a lot to work with when he started the Sandman comic, which he went on to make his own. For example, The House of Mysteries and The House of Secrets were comic book horror anthology series started in the 1960's, in which Cain and Abel served as the respective narrators. Similarly, John Dee was the real name of DC villain Doctor Destiny, who used the Dreamstone as his weapon long before Gaiman wrote its origin as a tool created by Dream of the Endless.
Gregory broke my heart. Glad Dream gave them a new little gargoyle baby as consolation but still 😭
It says a lot about the quality of the characterization of that completely cgi creature that after only moments on the screen our hearts are breaking.
Yes! David Thewils will always be the evil Prince from Dragonheart for me. And I don't know if its how its filmed or being noted as chapters, but I feel like this blended well like it's a movie. Also Cain and Abel, I couldn't help but chuckle (dark humor) with how it's just a normal thing like drinking a cup of coffee in the morning that I gotta go kill my brother to start the day. Seeing the interpretation of the Fates here is just great. I haven't read the comics neither, though I just got a volume of short stories set in the Sandman verse from the library, so I'm going in blind as well. But this show is definitely a feast for the eyes and its only episode 2.
I am so glad you followed up your first episode viewing so fast. Thank you. Liked and shared.
I was pulled in and had to watch all the episodes in a day! It was creepy, scary and had heart at the same time!! Great quality, I had to finish it
Poor Gregory.....😞
"uuuuhhhh ohhhhhhe's got a little house" yep, I felt that
This show uses Alan Moore's pronunciation of Constantine (he created the character for Swamp Thing).
Dream is the Prince of Stories, and Cain and Abel are basically the first story (from a certain point of view). They are the "real" ones (even other biblical characters recognize this, at least in the comics) but that first story is older than Earth. It's...complicated.
But Lucien was a raven, once, hence her focus on that. The implication, as all ravens are former mortals, that Lucien (in the comics) was Adam. But the raven woman in the comics is Eve, and I am wondering if they have combined the two ideas into Lucienne
This is a spoiler but more of a meta esoteric one. The Lucien stuff is t overt it's actually based on Neil's explanation
I mean, if you think about it, Death came to help him, when the Roderick Burgess died. Wasn't enough, but it was something.
I just finished and I cannot wait foe you to progress in this series. You will love the hell episode and the one that follows.
Cain and Abel as these characters come from DC comics House of Mystery and House of Secrets horror comics. Master Gaiman incorporated them into his story of stories!
"They're competing" Yeah, that won't end well LOL
At first I wasn't a fan of this show but now I am cause I understand it. On episode 7 and I love it!!
I'm honestly loving this show and your reaction. Glad to see someone who appreciates the content 😂
Edit: LMAO not you calling the gargoyle ugly 😂 and I was kinda over the Cain & Able gag after the second death tbh but I'm a defiant person so I probably can't relate to Able. Also maybe the endless aren't so endless without his tools? Or maybe it's only Dream 😂 I'm only on ep 6 so idk
This episode gets me every time. 😭
in the Audio Book Johnny aka Dr Destiny Is in Arkham.
If you like audio books i recommend you to listen to the Sandman on audible. They converted originalComic into audio book in audio drama format(actors for each character, awesome music and sound effects in the background). It is so awesome, personalty even better experience than reading original.
There were some legal issues regarding the use of John Constantine’s character.
So that's why they had to change the Gender/name. This Johanna Girl is actually Meant to be the same John Constantine..from the Dc Universe.
Thank you for the clarification cause some ppl literally rush to the "woke agenda" without any further thought 😂
Honestly, I don't get the complains about genderbending and "woke agenda" they just just fucking Time bended him with his ancestor. It's not that big a deal.
@@nightwhelmed I think some people haven’t realised that this is the case. I can understand why they would make such assumptions considering how common it is
@@angrymidgetlord9447 No, but even if it was a genderbent Constantine. I genuinely don't see why it's such a big deal. They changed the gender, big woop. Why does it matter so much, especially if the creator is the one behind or approved those choices.
@@nightwhelmed because if the gender doesn’t matter, why change it in the first place? If you made the decision to do so then it obviously does to you. And it shouldn’t. They should be original characters that are special because of their compelling writing, not their gender. And wether you like it or not, if they made a female Constantine that’s all they would be seen as. “The female version.” Because that’s what they’ve drawn the audiences attention to. It tells women that they’re only valued as women, not as unique individuals. Even if you mean well, it’s still very harmful for it to be happening so much. It is certainly the opposite of empowering. Likewise if the reverse happened a lot, which strangely it doesn’t. Isn’t that weird? I wonder how many of you would be saying that it’s irrelevant then
Looking forward to watching the rest of your reactions. This show is SO well done. I was expecting it to be good but not THIS good. Speaking of Boyd Holbrook if you haven’t seen it you should watch In the Shadow of the Moon on Netflix - really great timey wimey thriller and he’s incredible in it.
Cain and Abel I'm having Bible flashbacks of them now it make sense how the other brother always kills the other brother
episode 2 down, big love!~ absolutely loved this series!~
There’s issues with the rights to Constantine which is why they couldn’t use him.
Yes they are the original and biblical Cain and Abel.
btw incase u didnt know david thewlis' character is the same guy who was the antagonist of the elseworlds crossover
Yeah you can call him Dream or Morphius or any of his other names technically lol
I’ve always thought Lord Shaper has a nice flair to it.
I cried so hard when I was watching this episode it's not even funny.
Can I get some Gs in the chat for Gregory?
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Another endless DiD leave there post he is called by many names such as the prodigal or destruction
I'm devastated at the sacrifice of Gregory. It feels like Morpheus took a shortcut to getting his power back. He didn't even try to find another way. This was nothing more than a plot device to elicit empathy from the viewer and to move the story forward. While I did feel sad about the gargoyle, the emotion that hit me harder was anger and disgust with Morpheus. If you choose to sacrifice an innocent for your own gain, you are not a good person. I lost all sympathy and respect for Morpheus when he did that. Leaving the egg for Cain and Abel was merely an attempt to assuage his own guilt because he knew that murdering Gregory was wrong. Morpheus may be the protagonist here, but he's not the hero.
In the comics morpheus has never been presented as a hero. He, like his siblings, is a force of nature. You wouldnt judge a hurricane if a house was in its path. What makes morpheus different is he can learn.
@@justarandomveryintelligent8934 A hurricane or other natural force isn't a creature capable of reason or emotion. The very fact that he left the egg indicates that he knew that he did something wrong and he felt guilty. A force of nature isn't going to build you a new house after it tears yours down. Regardless of the way The Endless may have been portrayed in the comics, I have seen no evidence of that quality in the show. Morpheus feels more like a neutral god who has a very questionable moral code. Even if the protagonist is not a hero, an audience needs to be able to identify with them. It's the reason stories are told from that perspective. The movie Joker is a good example of a story being told from the perspective of someone who has historically been portrayed as a villain. Despite his violent actions, you sympathize with him. You understand him. You might even condone what he does because it's his story that you followed so you understand the root of his psychopathy. In stories, the protagonist is the audience. If a protagonist is committing acts that most audiences would not commit, you risk alienating them. I'm still curious where this story goes, but right now I'm feeling alienated from the character I'm supposed to sympathize with. In the first episode I was very sympathetic. He had been imprisoned and his raven murdered. Those who did that were justly punished. Then in the second episode, Morpheus kills Gregory. Now he's no better than those who imprisoned him. I haven't watched further than this so hopefully I'll change my mind as the story progresses.
Well he was never a hero and neither are any of his siblings. They are omnipotent beings so obviously they're not the "good guys".