but its obvious that the plate is really well handled by airy and bessel points :). otherwise the coffee cup is not level and that causes marriage stress ;) . at least from my perspective. I am getting grumpy if my coffee is out of level : ) , so I am out of flex and level , my wife gets into physical stress and out of level , at the end we both are totally out of level , and stressed, and I have to pay the bill.
Not me, I couldn't watch the whole thing because of his accent, I don't know why, but it's just grating to my brain. Especially when he says "bearing" a thousand times in the span of 2 minutes, over and over and over again, air bearing air bearing. Sounds like he has a razor in his throat everytime he pronounces an R. I do have pretty severe misophonia though. Although I can't say it's even been triggered by an accent, I think it's the accent plus repeating annoyingly pronounced words every 2 seconds.
@@rosewhite--- No it isn't. Look up what misophonia actually is. To compare that to whatever you're talking about is just wrong. It's different form of synesthesia. Where sense have extra pathways and create different experiences. Instead of sight being linked to taste, sound is linked to the emotional centre of the brain
That must mean I'm still using rock and copper chisel....~¿@ Thank You Dan Gelbart for sharing this great build!! The compression bolt was quite brilliant! Curious what material you used for it? ~PJ
Dan Gelbart Thanks very much! I'm quite sure you took all of this into account but I would have thought maybe something closer to the granite for thermal expansion...Tungsten maybe? Curious if this unit is used in a controlled environment and the mild steel expanding by maybe ~.0001/2ºC around room temp. When I think of all the materials & mechanisms working in harmony to achieve these tolerances for
pjsalchemy because od the air gap matching the expansion is not critical, will just change the air bearing gap. Where steel has to be bonded to the granite (headstock and cross-slide parallels) attention has to be paid to allow some differential expansion without bending.
A chance to see this level of precision demonstrated by the man who built the machine is a rare treat. Thank you for letting us look over your shoulder. I was impressed with the machinists that could hit less than 1/2 thou but this so much more precise. 👍
Dr. Gelbart you are truly a role model, our society could desperately use more like yourself for children instead of the common celebrity who is famous simply for being famous.
Many thanks Dan for sharing this beautiful creation. There is a serious problem with it however - it is way too short! Please please make this just Part 1 of many. We need to see the headstock and the carriage in detail, and more turning operations and more... well just MORE!
+Mathew Copeland I think what he means is that nothing about this machine is really revolutionary. Other than the chuck , all the components are just the best parts for this use, bearings? use the most precise bearings, use the most precise bed and make the assembly ultra stiff. not saying that is isn't impressive, but it's just many little things done very well
It's not everyday that someone as successful as Dan shows his inner sanctum (home workshop) on youtube.. even his life story and philosophy of Creo is interesting.. I've been developing tech and machines in my basement for years now (since I was 23) and i'm close to finally go commercial soon so hopefully I can make money to buy bigger machines because the chattering and weak mini mills and lathes will soon be the death of me.. can't take in anymore to be honest!.. anyway cheers Dan, you're an inspiraton to us!
Totally transfixed on the video. Man this has got to be the best video i've seen all month! Beautiful machine, masterfully manufactured, excellent explanation of the workings. This is what true craftmanship is all about! Thank you so much for uploading!
Hey Dan loved working on projects for you at Creo! My first engineering co-op was there & did several more. Loved getting around people like yourself & others. My favorite time of the day was around the lunch tables listening in on rediculous engineering debates where each party was deeply intrenched on their hypothesis and would defend it to the bitted end 😂. The results in the labs were the only way to settle it!
Truly a testimony to what mankind can achieve when focused on high levels of order. You have made an amazing machine, which is certainly a reflection of your character, sir, refined, humble, talented, skillful, courageous, inventive and a host of qualities yet out of reach of my understanding. Thank you very much for taking the time to make this wonderful machine and to produce the very well done video for all to enjoy. Kudos!
Dan, one of the biggest inspirations on this subject! In all your series i never heard you mention the use of metal filled epoxy for casting precision surfaces (on metals, ultra high performance concrete, epoxy granite or any other reasonably stiff and stable material). As someone else mentioned, a "perfect" flat, parallel or square surface could easily be formed by using special epoxy like Moglice or DHT, a surface plate and standard measuring equipment. Or to match a bore to a shaft and so on. For mating or bearing surfaces , but especially for air bearings, as there is no contact between surfaces, so the bearing properties between the materials are mostly irrelevant. Also you can mold in pockets, orifices, restrictors with dissolvable materials like wax or even 3d printed plastics. For example, experiments were made for mating a nut including all the air channels to a precision acme screw with Moglice, which were lapped to each other afterwards for a defined clearance, with some promising results. I'm just pondering what you could achieve with this method, with reduced or even without the hassle of scraping, lapping, grinding or machining surfaces. Also your choice of materials and methods of forming structures would greatly improve. I plan to make a couple of experiments, so i would love to hear your experience or opinion about it. Thank you so much for your content, saved me many years of unnecessary try and error, but also gives me even more inspiration for years of experimentation! much love from switzerland :)
You raised a good point, but epoxy granite can only be used where there is no wear, such as air bearings or non moving parts. It scratches too easily for all other applications. I considered it for the lathe, but the way wipers collect grinding dust and chips and would have worn out the ways. Even is the ways are air bearings you need to wipe them. BTW, it is a Swiss invention, introduced by the Studer AG grinder maker under the name Granitan.
Don't you just love it when an engineering/design/machining/electronic/fabricating genius tells you, "It's actually not that difficult to build a machine like this" ?????
I'm just imagining what kind of thoughts can be put into reality with such a tool just in a few minutes. Dan, please, keep posting a videos about your work. I even urge you to put a camera in your shop and make it live streaming without even thinging about how it will look like))))
It´s great that you are back. Your videos are brilliant. Please keep them coming. BTW: I can't believe that some of your videos only have one or two thousand views. It is very important that you enter lots of tags and keywords to your videos so that UA-cam can find them and suggest them to the viewers of videos with a similar subject. Thank you so much for sharing yor incredible knowledge.
Thank you for your videos Dan! You have a great deal of knowledge and the fact that you are willing to share that with others on a ‘not for profit’ basis is very inspiring! Only thing I regret is that didn’t find your videos about 4 years ago when I started on my prototype/manufacturing journey!! Well done my friend and please keep uploading these very informative videos if you can manage to fit them into your busy schedule. Thank you 🙏
I can't even believe you built this yourself. I've been building mills and lathes for about a year now, trying to get my own design worked out; never thought to use granite as surface material..... you've given me some inspiration. I ran an od grinder years ago, and I always loved how precise it was. I even considered building a grindef instead. I'm definitely building a grinder now, and I'll be using granite thanks to you!
I have a picture in my designs folder of an enormous machine made primarily out of granite... likely no less than 4 tonnes of stone in that machine... the parts appear to be both epoxy bound and stud retained with anchors of some sort... quite akin to the classic 4way split concrete anchors, but i cant say for sure from a single picture... Its a great material, hard, stable, durable, great for air bearings especially, but yeah, its not such an uncommon thing... it is rare in general, but not in the industry and specialized worksites...
This man's work is so beautiful I tend to hold my breath when looking at it. As an amateur machinist, I have never hold any tolerance tighter than a thousandth. This has been good enough for small o-ring grooves, heat-shrink fits, seals, seats for (commercial) ball-bearings, and so on. I have a professional machinist bro who typically does not have to hold any tolerance tighter than a "tenth". Dan, you are on a level so beyond what I am familiar with it is beyond my ken.
a tenth is same order of magnitude, this is a luxury machine. you can get same results from inferior machinery it just takes time. in dan gelbarts case time happens to be worth millions of dollars. The part is what matters
+kubeek Re air bearings, just google the subject. If tools sharp and you take a finishing cut, the cutting forces are surprisingly small and air bearing with a large area deflect very little, sub micron. the carriage of this lathe runs on large area air bearings.
Yeah it becomes pretty obvious in these videos you could learn more in a week following this guy around than in 4yrs of engineering classes. I really wish I could download his brain, parallel to my own. That would be so useful.
Hi Dan, it is amazing to see how you talk about such levels of precision as if it is nothing! Very humbling experience, but what a joy to watch your video. Thanks so much for sharing, and of course I have signed on to your channel. Kind regards, Donald
This is so cool! I think air bearings in general are very underrated, maybe also because they cant take that big loads. But this is quite a nice machine, and I'm relieved to see coolant for the grinder. I thought that it would spray grinding dust everywhere, which could potentially ruin the bed
Hi Dan, I couldn't say how many times I have watched your videos and read all the comments and replys now. every time I do though I discover another titbit of genius. Because of you at the age of 50ish I have been inspired to go back to school and study engineering to gain a better understanding of the things you talk about. I also have the Moore tool books on your recommendation, they are pure gold. I look forward to when you have time to go into detail on your lathe chuck. Cheers Andrew
I salute your incredible practical knowledge Mr Gelbard. Two or three people with your passion and experience and attitude could transform my countries vassal economy. Please keep posting!
I am curious what kind of linear motion control you use for something this precise? is there a certain type of ballscrew or servo you used to build this? And are your hand controls digital so that the computer can compensate for backlash in the ballscrews even while manually jogging? Love the build btw!!!
Dan, I'm not sure if you're still reading these comments, but I'd like to thank you for sharing this knowledge. I've just finished your video series, and, well, let's just say it got the cogs turning. I'm building a DIY CNC router, and your insights have already led to several design changes. Best regards, John. AvE sent me.
Hi John: I'm reading all the comments and they inspire me to make more videos. At the moment I'm busy with a new metal 3D printing company, Rapidia, which leaves me no time to make more videos, but I will.
Great Video course, thank you. A couple of questions; are the air bearings porous media or orifice? How do you prevent chips from clogging them? Do the slides move on threaded rods or linear motors? Be great to see the machine in greater detail; its one of the wonders of the western world. Congratulations. Edward
Air bearings are orifice+pocket type, porous media will absorb coolant and plug up. The air pushes the dust out, chips cannot get into the 10um gap. Slides are driven by high-grade ball screws, rotated by stepper motors.
well you dont need any phd for that - he gave you the core hints - semiconductor airbearing spindles (500-700 on ebay) and granite parallels - 24 inch ones are about 2700 usd per pair AA grade / you still need linear motors to drive the carriage / saddle - graphite pucks as airbearings for the slideing surfaces are diy'able - as i said it doesnt take a phd - alot research sure / but overall he gave the crucial hits already
I've watched this video many times and still not Bored. I wish I had this Mans Shop Set-Up. The Dreams that could be Brought to Fortition with this Equipment is Mind Boggling.
It's an amazing lathe. I only try to make air bearings once, when i build a Tesla turbine, and i fail miserably. The tolerances have to be very tight. You had a very clever solution to build the bed, does the viscosity of the epoxy affect the aligment of the parallels during the glueing? do you have to press the pieces with high pressure?
Noneed for pressure, the weight of the granite pushes out the excess epoxy. The parallels are kept in alignment during curing via a matched pair of precision steel spacers. Very slow setting epoxy is used.
+Dan Gelbart So it flows naturally. Thanks for sharing this video. It's an awesome lathe. I too like to engineer everything my self. Today I test a homemade forging die to make thick aluminum cones. And I didn't miss my calculations by much! Sometimes manufacturers make everything look like, but there is always some sort of way to do it yourself.
1 micron is still 10000 times bigger than an atom. So I wonder how much air is escaping per minute? If you leave it close how many days does it take for air to completely escape the cylinder?
Yes, I was thinking the same myself. So it is apparently about relative dimensions -- the volume of air inside the cavity versus the amount or air that can enter or escape around the sides. There has to be some air between the metal parts to provide the low friction and non-contactness, but is there any wear between the surfaces?
Hi, Dan, amazing machine, thanks for shareing. I wonder if it is easier to build this type of lathe based on an existing precision manual lathe, by replacing the spindle with air bearing spindle, and reuse other existing parts on the lathe, if so, can you recommend a good manual lathe to start with? thanks,
The bed and cross slide of an existing lathe is not accurate enough. You need 1um straightness and squareness. . What you can do is buy a used Moore #3 Jig Borer (under $3000 on Ebay) and mount the spindle instead of column. Several companies who needed high accuracy machines did that.
Thanks, Dan, do you know any place I could source a nice air bearing spindle? I would like to turn max 200mm OD part on this lathe. Also, any requirements on the maximum spindle speed? the higher the better? Thanks.
Hi Dan, In one of your (fantastic) tutorial-videos, "part 16 of 18 Machining" ua-cam.com/video/a_E-tYRxBkU/v-deo.html#t=8m40s , you mention adding a groove to the tip of a tight-fitting shaft to aid with self-aligning. How are you able to fit the piston in the cylinder at 0:48 without having made such a groove?
+Aditya Mehendale Very good observation. The cylinder bore has a bit of a lead in taper in this demo, but this is not always allowed. The groove is the right way of doing it, leaving a 1-2mm wide ring at tip. One other factor that helps on the demo is that both parts are very hard, this makes insertion much easier.
@@dgelbart Hello Dan, a colleague of mine has recently built a nice EDM machine as a side-project. He discusses a nice tip to get a wrapping-angle of >360 degree on a pulley here: ua-cam.com/video/us3KhT7r01g/v-deo.html (Channel-name: UA-cam --> BAXEDM). I think you'll really like it (and the rest of his video-series too, if you have the time - Mike has 5 videos in the series thus far). Regards!
this is the kind of things that make precision mechanics a superior sience! No doubt your machine can be mentioned among great names like SIP or Hauser
I just found this channel and already I'm in LOVE with the information and the presentation OF the information! Thank you for posting such interesting information! (I've already subbed and will of course thumb UP every video as I watch them!)
Under 10 grand. The granite is from precisiongraniteusa.com, about $2500. Motors and sppeed controls from goldenmotor.com, about $500. Ball screws (C0) and air bearings are surplus, from Ebay. All electronis (stepper and microstepper drivers , power supplies, switches etc) from Ebay. A regular chuck shold be under $1000, mine is very specialized, all parts lapped to 1um.
Someone else mentioned this, so I came back and read it again. I am surprised to see you are using steppers. It seems to me that something more analogue would have suited your surface finish requirements better. I am a real fan of servos + resolvers (at eBay prices, I should add).
Dan Gelbart good point. Just curious,I am attempting to build myself a lathe (it doesn't have to be as accurate as the lathe you built) and I was wondering if epoxy granite could be substituted for the granite parallels that you used. Seeing as it's my first lathe build,I am bound to make mistakes,and getting expensive pieces of granite parallels would be very costly mistakes to make. Sorry for taking up so much of your time, and thanks for putting these videos on youtube, I have learned so much already.
@@dgelbart Hi Dan thank you very much for sharing. Is the spindle like a dover air bearing spindle that you mounted with an additional thrust air bearing? I assume you had to machine a custom mount for your chuck as well? It would be neat to see more information about the spindle. Thanks for sharing what you have regardless!
Hi Dan, My name is Dale Derry. I have a youtube channel called Metal tips and tricks. About a month ago I mentioned you to my followers as a must see channel. Im so glad you did a new video please keep them coming. P.s. Here is the name to the video I mentioned you in."How I learn Metal Working"
I recall learning about air bearings in high school....early 1960's...I was impressed by the clearances (recording studio turntable)....take the shaft out...put a fingerprint on it....you could barely force it back in....and it wouldn't turn....
The oil from a fingerprint would not take a lot of force to shear from the surface of a shaft. Possibly more likely is the heat from your finger expanded the shaft to take it from air-bearing fit to a press fit?
@@CBRFFan what do you mean with resolution? The reason I ask is that resulotion and actual accuracy are different things. After looking at their site for one of their modern machines the resolution on the glass scales is 0.01 micron, drives are 0.1 micron and it results in a accuracy of 2-3.5 micron in X/Z
@@CBRFFan I don't think so. Make a part with your lathe and then compare it on a AA surface plate with gauge blocks. See if you're within 0.1micron. My cheap caliper shows down to 10micron but the accuracy is 25micron (1thou). My micron glass scale has an accuracy of 2microns. So what you see on your display is not what you get
Micrometers that read in 0,01mm are sometimes calibrated with 0,001mm accuracy. Something that is reading in 0,001 or better may as well be 10 times worse than the reading. At any rate that accuracy requires flooding the whole machine body and screws especially with temp controlled cooling oil. If it doesn't have that, it's impossible to be so accurate consistently
that air bearing is very interesting. 🤔 there is nothing like watching the air bearing in action compared to someone explaining the concept. 🥰 thanks smart Dan.
Hi here from Germany ..... I don´t know what i can say ..... Best what i´ve seen in the last Years .... Respect man unbeliveable i wish i can work with you! Thanks a lot for showing this, ever i have said that some machine are like this, cause the technic solution is ready to build things like your m. they told me words like daydreamer and never in small shops will this be reality .... So thank you very much You made my year!!!!
I remember a video about the grinding of parts for the NIST new electric scale (sorry, I forgot the name but basically it's to create a standard for weight) and it was really interesting. This seems a more precise work, even! Thanks for the video!
legend has it that this guys house is on a giant surface plate for foundation.
It rides on air bearings.
RingingResonance earthquakeproof🤣
but its obvious that the plate is really well handled by airy and bessel points :). otherwise the coffee cup is not level and that causes marriage stress ;) . at least from my perspective. I am getting grumpy if my coffee is out of level : ) , so I am out of flex and level , my wife gets into physical stress and out of level , at the end we both are totally out of level , and stressed, and I have to pay the bill.
Bahhhhhhhhhhhh.....funny
I wish I could share this joke with friends but they would have no idea! haha
"It's not that difficult to build a machine like this". Perhaps not if you have an accent like yours, it just radiates precision and ingenuity.
Not me, I couldn't watch the whole thing because of his accent, I don't know why, but it's just grating to my brain. Especially when he says "bearing" a thousand times in the span of 2 minutes, over and over and over again, air bearing air bearing. Sounds like he has a razor in his throat everytime he pronounces an R. I do have pretty severe misophonia though. Although I can't say it's even been triggered by an accent, I think it's the accent plus repeating annoyingly pronounced words every 2 seconds.
@@PBMS123 Your misophonia is learned just like that of the younger generation who get physically upset at being forced to listen to classical music.
@@rosewhite--- No it isn't.
Look up what misophonia actually is. To compare that to whatever you're talking about is just wrong.
It's different form of synesthesia. Where sense have extra pathways and create different experiences. Instead of sight being linked to taste, sound is linked to the emotional centre of the brain
Tyvär, det finns sona idioter som du överallt!
@@PBMS123 , русские, немцы, евреи и индийцы благодарны автору, потому что этот акцент понятен каждому из них. Для тебя существуют субтитры.
OMG now I feel that I have been machining with a pic-ax and a sledge hammer. What a great piece. THANK YOU for sharing.... Back to my cave..... Fred
That must mean I'm still using rock and copper chisel....~¿@ Thank You Dan Gelbart for sharing this great build!! The compression bolt was quite brilliant! Curious what material you used for it? ~PJ
pjsalchemy Regular mild steel.
Dan Gelbart
Thanks very much! I'm quite sure you took all of this into account but I would have thought maybe something closer to the granite for thermal expansion...Tungsten maybe? Curious if this unit is used in a controlled environment and the mild steel expanding by maybe ~.0001/2ºC around room temp. When I think of all the materials & mechanisms working in harmony to achieve these tolerances for
pjsalchemy because od the air gap matching the expansion is not critical, will just change the air bearing gap. Where steel has to be bonded to the granite (headstock and cross-slide parallels) attention has to be paid to allow some differential expansion without bending.
When you realise the nice new mazak in the shop is as accurate as a potato......such sadness!
A chance to see this level of precision demonstrated by the man who built the machine is a rare treat. Thank you for letting us look over your shoulder. I was impressed with the machinists that could hit less than 1/2 thou but this so much more precise. 👍
Dr. Gelbart you are truly a role model, our society could desperately use more like yourself for children instead of the common celebrity who is famous simply for being famous.
3:38 Love how those pins sound coming out of the slots - much precision achieved
Did you hear the little pop when the first one came out!? Perfection!
@@joeldix923 CNC porn
@@joeldix923 That was at 3:35 though - erikig's time stamp missed the best one.
@@denismilic1878 ohhh yeahhhhhh
And we are talking about a chuck-jaws and a clamping pin.
0:54 “It completely loose fit”
Me: so what?
Then closes the air vent …
Me: wow!
jup. same here. very impressive.
legit blew my mind off this universe
wow indeed...I think I said "wow" 5 or 6 times...
Many thanks Dan for sharing this beautiful creation. There is a serious problem with it however - it is way too short!
Please please make this just Part 1 of many. We need to see the headstock and the carriage in detail, and more turning operations and more... well just MORE!
"It's not that difficult to build a machine like this" lol.
+Mathew Copeland I think what he means is that nothing about this machine is really revolutionary. Other than the chuck , all the components are just the best parts for this use, bearings? use the most precise bearings, use the most precise bed and make the assembly ultra stiff. not saying that is isn't impressive, but it's just many little things done very well
Nothing to it... when you have a few spare minutes, start by knocking up a planet, then just follow your nose from there! ;o)
I had a good chuckle with that one too. LOL
He has the modesty angle covered!
It's not really that difficult... for a guy with Dan's talent and knowledge.
I can't handle this amount of flexing on my broke ass.
ⵉⵜⵔⵓⵏⴰⵓⵜ Scratch built!! 😵
No flexing, it's got a granite bed ;-)
@@gregfeneis609 granite will flex as does cast iron and all the other materials
@@MF175mp Issa joke
@@gregfeneis609 no problem I figured but some people watching these might take it literally
Dear Diary, today, I learned that air bearings exist.
Thanks for putting this up Dan, I immensely enjoy your videos and learn a lot from them and hope you can be encouraged to share more.
The bearing at the beginning would be a cool desk toy.
It's not everyday that someone as successful as Dan shows his inner sanctum (home workshop) on youtube.. even his life story and philosophy of Creo is interesting.. I've been developing tech and machines in my basement for years now (since I was 23) and i'm close to finally go commercial soon so hopefully I can make money to buy bigger machines because the chattering and weak mini mills and lathes will soon be the death of me.. can't take in anymore to be honest!.. anyway cheers Dan, you're an inspiraton to us!
Glad to see you back Dan, I have learned a lot from your videos
Hope you can find the time to share more.
all the best.
please post more videos of this wonderful machine in use! I and many others would watch them all. Thanks for your inspiring work, Dan!
Totally transfixed on the video. Man this has got to be the best video i've seen all month! Beautiful machine, masterfully manufactured, excellent explanation of the workings. This is what true craftmanship is all about!
Thank you so much for uploading!
Hey Dan loved working on projects for you at Creo! My first engineering co-op was there & did several more. Loved getting around people like yourself & others. My favorite time of the day was around the lunch tables listening in on rediculous engineering debates where each party was deeply intrenched on their hypothesis and would defend it to the bitted end 😂. The results in the labs were the only way to settle it!
Truly a testimony to what mankind can achieve when focused on high levels of order. You have made an amazing machine, which is certainly a reflection of your character, sir, refined, humble, talented, skillful, courageous, inventive and a host of qualities yet out of reach of my understanding. Thank you very much for taking the time to make this wonderful machine and to produce the very well done video for all to enjoy. Kudos!
Air bearings are very noisy, he switches the machine on and it is hardly audible.
I think he was referring to that hissing noise
the air compressor is in another room...and he doesn't get his fittings from harbor frieght...
Teacher: what do you want to be when you grow up?
Me: Dan Gelbart
Dan, one of the biggest inspirations on this subject! In all your series i never heard you mention the use of metal filled epoxy for casting precision surfaces (on metals, ultra high performance concrete, epoxy granite or any other reasonably stiff and stable material). As someone else mentioned, a "perfect" flat, parallel or square surface could easily be formed by using special epoxy like Moglice or DHT, a surface plate and standard measuring equipment. Or to match a bore to a shaft and so on. For mating or bearing surfaces , but especially for air bearings, as there is no contact between surfaces, so the bearing properties between the materials are mostly irrelevant. Also you can mold in pockets, orifices, restrictors with dissolvable materials like wax or even 3d printed plastics. For example, experiments were made for mating a nut including all the air channels to a precision acme screw with Moglice, which were lapped to each other afterwards for a defined clearance, with some promising results. I'm just pondering what you could achieve with this method, with reduced or even without the hassle of scraping, lapping, grinding or machining surfaces. Also your choice of materials and methods of forming structures would greatly improve. I plan to make a couple of experiments, so i would love to hear your experience or opinion about it. Thank you so much for your content, saved me many years of unnecessary try and error, but also gives me even more inspiration for years of experimentation! much love from switzerland :)
You raised a good point, but epoxy granite can only be used where there is no wear, such as air bearings or non moving parts. It scratches too easily for all other applications. I considered it for the lathe, but the way wipers collect grinding dust and chips and would have worn out the ways. Even is the ways are air bearings you need to wipe them. BTW, it is a Swiss invention, introduced by the Studer AG grinder maker under the name Granitan.
I need more!!!! This was brilliant and the fact you built it yourself, with micron accuracy? Amazing. Id live to learn from you, brilliant work.
Don't you just love it when an engineering/design/machining/electronic/fabricating genius tells you, "It's actually not that difficult to build a machine like this" ?????
Absolutely brilliant Dan, as usual, and you make it sound so easy. You sir a a professionals professiionial!
Phil
UK
I'm just imagining what kind of thoughts can be put into reality with such a tool just in a few minutes.
Dan, please, keep posting a videos about your work.
I even urge you to put a camera in your shop and make it live streaming without even thinging about how it will look like))))
Dan, I watched this video again and I am again amazed, thrilled and delighted. And for some reason everything appears green!
Omg! Woow! Making repeatition of accuracy looking so much easy! Thank you for the big motivation!!
Dan, please make more videos if you have time. They are inspiring
It´s great that you are back. Your videos are brilliant. Please keep them coming.
BTW: I can't believe that some of your videos only have one or two thousand views. It is very important that you enter lots of tags and keywords to your videos so that UA-cam can find them and suggest them to the viewers of videos with a similar subject.
Thank you so much for sharing yor incredible knowledge.
Thank you for your videos Dan!
You have a great deal of knowledge and the fact that you are willing to share that with others on a ‘not for profit’ basis is very inspiring!
Only thing I regret is that didn’t find your videos about 4 years ago when I started on my prototype/manufacturing journey!!
Well done my friend and please keep uploading these very informative videos if you can manage to fit them into your busy schedule.
Thank you 🙏
I can't even believe you built this yourself. I've been building mills and lathes for about a year now, trying to get my own design worked out; never thought to use granite as surface material..... you've given me some inspiration. I ran an od grinder years ago, and I always loved how precise it was. I even considered building a grindef instead.
I'm definitely building a grinder now, and I'll be using granite thanks to you!
I have a picture in my designs folder of an enormous machine made primarily out of granite... likely no less than 4 tonnes of stone in that machine... the parts appear to be both epoxy bound and stud retained with anchors of some sort... quite akin to the classic 4way split concrete anchors, but i cant say for sure from a single picture... Its a great material, hard, stable, durable, great for air bearings especially, but yeah, its not such an uncommon thing... it is rare in general, but not in the industry and specialized worksites...
Fantastic! I would love to see more about this build.
Peace!
Probably the 20th time I have watched this video in full. I never get sick of it! When are we going to see some new videos Dan!!
This is the first time I have seen or heard of air bearings. Thank you for the video
That was very interesting, the build in particular is extremely impressive. What a clever man! More please.
This man's work is so beautiful I tend to hold my breath when looking at it. As an amateur machinist, I have never hold any tolerance tighter than a thousandth. This has been good enough for small o-ring grooves, heat-shrink fits, seals, seats for (commercial) ball-bearings, and so on. I have a professional machinist bro who typically does not have to hold any tolerance tighter than a "tenth". Dan, you are on a level so beyond what I am familiar with it is beyond my ken.
A micron is about half a tenth. Machining within a tenth without a machine like this is impressive!
a tenth is same order of magnitude, this is a luxury machine. you can get same results from inferior machinery it just takes time. in dan gelbarts case time happens to be worth millions of dollars. The part is what matters
Hi Folks, you may enjoy watching something else I built: ua-cam.com/video/ccjTMQwKWNs/v-deo.html
+Dan Gelbart Could you please explain how the linear air bearings on the ways work and how do they achieve accuracy with respect to tool pressure?
+kubeek Re air bearings, just google the subject. If tools sharp and you take a finishing cut, the cutting forces are surprisingly small and air bearing with a large area deflect very little, sub micron. the carriage of this lathe runs on large area air bearings.
when can I become your apprentice?
Yeah it becomes pretty obvious in these videos you could learn more in a week following this guy around than in 4yrs of engineering classes. I really wish I could download his brain, parallel to my own. That would be so useful.
Sr it's a masterpiece glad there is people like you in this World with the entellect to do these things.
Hi Dan, it is amazing to see how you talk about such levels of precision as if it is nothing! Very humbling experience, but what a joy to watch your video. Thanks so much for sharing, and of course I have signed on to your channel. Kind regards, Donald
You Mr.Gelbart , are one amazing man. Thank You for sharing some of your knowledge and expertise.
Mr. Miller and I share the same sentiment!!
That to date is the coolest thing I seen in the machining community!
Thank you so much for sharing!
Razor!
This is so cool! I think air bearings in general are very underrated, maybe also because they cant take that big loads. But this is quite a nice machine, and I'm relieved to see coolant for the grinder. I thought that it would spray grinding dust everywhere, which could potentially ruin the bed
What an incredible machine. Thank you for explaining the engineering behind it.
Thanks again Dr Gelbart - for this and all your vids. Awe inspiring and full of knowledge, so refreshing! Thank you!
That is the coolest machine i have ever seen. And i have seen alot.
Hi Dan,
I couldn't say how many times I have watched your videos and read all the comments and replys now. every time I do though I discover another titbit of genius. Because of you at the age of 50ish I have been inspired to go back to school and study engineering to gain a better understanding of the things you talk about. I also have the Moore tool books on your recommendation, they are pure gold. I look forward to when you have time to go into detail on your lathe chuck.
Cheers
Andrew
What a thing of beauty! Thank you so much for sharing! Great ideas on the implementation!
I salute your incredible practical knowledge Mr Gelbard. Two or three people with your passion and experience and attitude could transform my countries vassal economy. Please keep posting!
I am curious what kind of linear motion control you use for something this precise? is there a certain type of ballscrew or servo you used to build this? And are your hand controls digital so that the computer can compensate for backlash in the ballscrews even while manually jogging? Love the build btw!!!
@0:22 - Shots fired, look at him try to hold the smile back
@gacekky1 because he is working in metric and had to convert his measurements for for a special country to understand.
Wow, impressive precision! I've seen a lot of amazing travel destinations in my years of exploring, but I've never seen anything quite like this!
I stumbled across this by looking up air bearings to better understand how Hyperloops would theoretically work. That is one hell of a DIY project!
skookum as frig
quick insert lion king quote "you have no idea"
Kawawaymog - A Cockford Ollie of the 21st century :D Also if some evil genius takes over the world I want him to sound just like this dude :D
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Awesome machine you made here. Using the granite plates is a great idea , just dont drop anything on them.
I don't believe Dan is that sort of Dolt.
Dan, I'm not sure if you're still reading these comments, but I'd like to thank you for sharing this knowledge. I've just finished your video series, and, well, let's just say it got the cogs turning. I'm building a DIY CNC router, and your insights have already led to several design changes. Best regards, John.
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Hi John:
I'm reading all the comments and they inspire me to make more videos. At the moment I'm busy with a new metal 3D printing company, Rapidia, which leaves me no time to make more videos, but I will.
This is an amazing piece of equipment, being able to work to these tolerances on a lathe, boggles the mind.
Great Video course, thank you. A couple of questions; are the air bearings porous media or orifice? How do you prevent chips from clogging them? Do the slides move on threaded rods or linear motors? Be great to see the machine in greater detail; its one of the wonders of the western world. Congratulations. Edward
Air bearings are orifice+pocket type, porous media will absorb coolant and plug up. The air pushes the dust out, chips cannot get into the 10um gap. Slides are driven by high-grade ball screws, rotated by stepper motors.
Cool, i’m going to build me one. Step one: two or three phd’s. Be back in 20 yrs or so for step 2.
well you dont need any phd for that - he gave you the core hints - semiconductor airbearing spindles (500-700 on ebay) and granite parallels - 24 inch ones are about 2700 usd per pair AA grade / you still need linear motors to drive the carriage / saddle - graphite pucks as airbearings for the slideing surfaces are diy'able - as i said it doesnt take a phd - alot research sure / but overall he gave the crucial hits already
I've watched this video many times and still not Bored. I wish I had this Mans Shop Set-Up. The Dreams that could be Brought to Fortition with this Equipment is Mind Boggling.
Thanks,I am now suffering a debilitating case of lathe envy and the fact you built it from scratch. In total awe over here
Hi Dan
Do you have plans available?
Thanks Peter
It's an amazing lathe. I only try to make air bearings once, when i build a Tesla turbine, and i fail miserably. The tolerances have to be very tight.
You had a very clever solution to build the bed, does the viscosity of the epoxy affect the aligment of the parallels during the glueing? do you have to press the pieces with high pressure?
Noneed for pressure, the weight of the granite pushes out the excess epoxy. The parallels are kept in alignment during curing via a matched pair of precision steel spacers. Very slow setting epoxy is used.
+Dan Gelbart So it flows naturally. Thanks for sharing this video. It's an awesome lathe. I too like to engineer everything my self. Today I test a homemade forging die to make thick aluminum cones. And I didn't miss my calculations by much! Sometimes manufacturers make everything look like, but there is always some sort of way to do it yourself.
I must say Mr. Gelbart ,simply amazing !
Wow! What a wonderful machine! Thanks for sharing the video - it's great to see things like this.
1 micron is still 10000 times bigger than an atom. So I wonder how much air is escaping per minute? If you leave it close how many days does it take for air to completely escape the cylinder?
+GodsLoveMinistry About a day for air to escape. If you really want to, you can make a cylinder with a better fit, like 0.1um, by adding some lapping.
Yes, I was thinking the same myself. So it is apparently about relative dimensions -- the volume of air inside the cavity versus the amount or air that can enter or escape around the sides. There has to be some air between the metal parts to provide the low friction and non-contactness, but is there any wear between the surfaces?
@@dgelbart live lapped finishes.
Like my Harbor Freight lathe, tight tolerance 😂😂😂
I think he did it just to make the rest of us look bad. That bastard! 😉
@@robertaugust7425 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I had a bunch of questions but I'm distracted at the moment finding my jaw after it hit the floor. Wow, what a machine!
Thank you for sharing this with us. You do beautiful work!
Hi, Dan, amazing machine, thanks for shareing. I wonder if it is easier to build this type of lathe based on an existing precision manual lathe, by replacing the spindle with air bearing spindle, and reuse other existing parts on the lathe, if so, can you recommend a good manual lathe to start with? thanks,
The bed and cross slide of an existing lathe is not accurate enough. You need 1um straightness and squareness. . What you can do is buy a used Moore #3 Jig Borer (under $3000 on Ebay) and mount the spindle instead of column. Several companies who needed high accuracy machines did that.
Thanks, Dan, do you know any place I could source a nice air bearing spindle? I would like to turn max 200mm OD part on this lathe. Also, any requirements on the maximum spindle speed? the higher the better? Thanks.
Ebay. New ones cost a fortune. No need for high speed.
I am now officially jealous.
More videos on this would be awesome! Making an air bearing part would make my day!
Crazy awesome! Great to see there are so many others that appreciate your work here. Good job!- Outstanding
Hi Dan,
In one of your (fantastic) tutorial-videos, "part 16 of 18 Machining" ua-cam.com/video/a_E-tYRxBkU/v-deo.html#t=8m40s , you mention adding a groove to the tip of a tight-fitting shaft to aid with self-aligning. How are you able to fit the piston in the cylinder at 0:48 without having made such a groove?
+Aditya Mehendale Very good observation. The cylinder bore has a bit of a lead in taper in this demo, but this is not always allowed. The groove is the right way of doing it, leaving a 1-2mm wide ring at tip. One other factor that helps on the demo is that both parts are very hard, this makes insertion much easier.
@@dgelbart Hello Dan, a colleague of mine has recently built a nice EDM machine as a side-project. He discusses a nice tip to get a wrapping-angle of >360 degree on a pulley here: ua-cam.com/video/us3KhT7r01g/v-deo.html (Channel-name: UA-cam --> BAXEDM). I think you'll really like it (and the rest of his video-series too, if you have the time - Mike has 5 videos in the series thus far). Regards!
@@dgelbart Dan, I must absolutely implore you to watch this video (flextures cut on a homebrew-EDM) ua-cam.com/video/CcTQoy_tBp4/v-deo.html
3:36 - the sound...
pooop ....that was awesome
lol not normal toilet things
Lmaoooooo it's so satisfying
this is the kind of things that make precision mechanics a superior sience! No doubt your machine can be mentioned among great names like SIP or Hauser
I just found this channel and already I'm in LOVE with the information and the presentation OF the information! Thank you for posting such interesting information! (I've already subbed and will of course thumb UP every video as I watch them!)
That's a really nice machine. Would you care to estimate build cost?
Under 10 grand. The granite is from precisiongraniteusa.com, about $2500. Motors and sppeed controls from goldenmotor.com, about $500. Ball screws (C0) and air bearings are surplus, from Ebay. All electronis (stepper and microstepper drivers , power supplies, switches etc) from Ebay. A regular chuck shold be under $1000, mine is very specialized, all parts lapped to 1um.
Someone else mentioned this, so I came back and read it again. I am surprised to see you are using steppers. It seems to me that something more analogue would have suited your surface finish requirements better. I am a real fan of servos + resolvers (at eBay prices, I should add).
+andy pugh A stepper in microstepping mode, with a large number of microsteps per step, is as smooth as any brushless or synchronous motor.
Just curious why didn't you use epoxy granite for the lathe bed? Is it less accurate?
How will you get it flat and straight to 1um?
Dan Gelbart www.precisionepoxy.com/PlateHome.htm
I was thinking something like this could be used.
airsoftsniper108 How do you get the vertical sidewalls? Also the spec on the epoxy you measured is 8um, not 1.
Dan Gelbart good point. Just curious,I am attempting to build myself a lathe (it doesn't have to be as accurate as the lathe you built) and I was wondering if epoxy granite could be substituted for the granite parallels that you used. Seeing as it's my first lathe build,I am bound to make mistakes,and getting expensive pieces of granite parallels would be very costly mistakes to make. Sorry for taking up so much of your time, and thanks for putting these videos on youtube, I have learned so much already.
airsoftsniper108 Lowest cost way to get a lathe is not building one but getting an old one on Ebay or Craigslist and fixing it up.
We miss you your videos and your ideas even your inspiration to build better.
Extraordinary, thank you very much for the true definition of precision-exceptionally well done✅
Hi Dan,
How do you take the axial load with radial air bearings?
There is also a thrust air bearing inside the headstock. It is a disc with air bearings on both sides.
thanks for the response! if you don't mind me asking are there any plans for more youtube videos?
@@chiquinhoreydelas Yes! One coming soon on metal 3D printing.
That's truly great news Dan, thank you so much for showing and teaching us these things that most of us would never been able to see in person!
@@dgelbart Hi Dan thank you very much for sharing. Is the spindle like a dover air bearing spindle that you mounted with an additional thrust air bearing? I assume you had to machine a custom mount for your chuck as well? It would be neat to see more information about the spindle. Thanks for sharing what you have regardless!
Hi Dan, My name is Dale Derry. I have a youtube channel called Metal tips and tricks. About a month ago I mentioned you to my followers as a must see channel. Im so glad you did a new video please keep them coming.
P.s. Here is the name to the video I mentioned you in."How I learn Metal Working"
Hi Dale:
Thanka for mentioning me and for the good info on your channel.
Build Something Cool is this spam? Are you trying to make money?
Dan do you know someone who has a machine like this that could build a bearing like the one you show at the beginning of your video?
Absolutely beautiful, sir. This is machining at its finest!
I recall learning about air bearings in high school....early 1960's...I was impressed by the clearances (recording studio turntable)....take the shaft out...put a fingerprint on it....you could barely force it back in....and it wouldn't turn....
The oil from a fingerprint would not take a lot of force to shear from the surface of a shaft. Possibly more likely is the heat from your finger expanded the shaft to take it from air-bearing fit to a press fit?
"Air bearings are very noisy"
Hmmhmm :D
I thought my lathe was good..
Fantastic engineering . Thank you for sharing your work .
Nice machine thanks for letting us see it.
I liked the granit bed
Totally porn .. I m jaleus with this machine, comparing to my hardinge lathe..
@@CBRFFan what do you mean with resolution? The reason I ask is that resulotion and actual accuracy are different things. After looking at their site for one of their modern machines the resolution on the glass scales is 0.01 micron, drives are 0.1 micron and it results in a accuracy of 2-3.5 micron in X/Z
@@CBRFFan I don't think so. Make a part with your lathe and then compare it on a AA surface plate with gauge blocks. See if you're within 0.1micron. My cheap caliper shows down to 10micron but the accuracy is 25micron (1thou). My micron glass scale has an accuracy of 2microns. So what you see on your display is not what you get
Micrometers that read in 0,01mm are sometimes calibrated with 0,001mm accuracy. Something that is reading in 0,001 or better may as well be 10 times worse than the reading. At any rate that accuracy requires flooding the whole machine body and screws especially with temp controlled cooling oil. If it doesn't have that, it's impossible to be so accurate consistently
Thank you Mr. Gelbart! Very interesting.
What a fine piece of work, well done!
I am dazzled by this mans brilliance. What an amazing machine!
I hope you put up more excellent content like this soon
that air bearing is very interesting. 🤔 there is nothing like watching the air bearing in action compared to someone explaining the concept. 🥰 thanks smart Dan.
Wow, that is a beautiful piece of engineering !!!
Hi here from Germany .....
I don´t know what i can say .....
Best what i´ve seen in the last Years ....
Respect man unbeliveable i wish i can work with you!
Thanks a lot for showing this, ever i have said that some machine are like this, cause the technic solution is ready to build things like your m. they told me words like daydreamer and never in small shops will this be reality ....
So thank you very much You made my year!!!!
I remember a video about the grinding of parts for the NIST new electric scale (sorry, I forgot the name but basically it's to create a standard for weight) and it was really interesting. This seems a more precise work, even! Thanks for the video!
I think it called a "Kibble balance" or "watt balance".
Unbelievable. Thank you for the window into your shop and mind
Super nice lathe buddy! We need one like this for our maker space :)
brilliant...you should put that on the market