Xperia PRO I :: The New Photography Smartphone
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
- Sony has announced the Xperia PRO-I - the first mainstream phone to feature a 1 inch sensor. In fact, its the same sensor found in the RX100-IV. With native video capture up to 120 fps at 4k, and dual 2.0 and 4.0 aperture for photography and video, this just might be the most camera centric smartphone on the market today.
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I've gotten a lot of comments about the sensor size. Before I used the phone I had a 1 on 1 briefing with a technical manager with Sony. I wasn't told anything about the lens only using 60% of the sensor. I wanted to pin this here as there was no intention on my part to be misleading. That being said - I still stand behind everything in this preview and the image files do look fabulous. When I do a full review I will address this.
Ted, will you expound in the next video the use case for this phone over traditional cameras at this price point? The additional (likely costly) selfie/vlog rig is even less obvious over a camera with a flippy screen. Thank you.
Wack! For that high price and still with that ugly fixed battery compartment? Stick with a real camera, folks!
@jthomas5o1 An actual camera maybe?
Well, all you said about low light performance and bokeh is lie. Because even iPhone 13 Pro camera has a better bokeh and low light performance simply because its lens gather more light. I'm just curious (if you understand something in photography) how could you explain this silly sensor transformation from 20 Mp in Sony RX100 to 12 Mp in Xperia PRO-I? And didn't you see that huge difference in lenses between RX100 and Pro-I? How in the world small lens of Xperia could cover whole 1" sensor?
@@Alex-fk3ni It can't. I think the lens only covers 60% of the sensor!
Sony the only phone maker that are using the PRO name correctly.
Agree
For sure
*is the
😆 yep! This is really PRO marketing bullshit about "one inch sensor"
@@Alex-fk3ni i was talking about the software, but you found something, big brain
Just a heads up, this camera can be better than the pixel 6/iphone 13. You have to treat it like an actual camera though, otherwise the computational photography from the other phone makers wipes the floor with this phone. In other words, you have to know how to bracket and merge images, you have to know how to use an actual Mirrorless/DSLR
The phone is in an awkward position.it tries to compete with phone but someone buying a phone only cares about easy photos on auto mode.and lets be honest this phone is not close to replacing a camera and at that price you can get a flagship phone and a midrange camera.the idea is nice but considering the options out there its hard to choose this
@@stephaned3072 yeah but you don't get a video camera shooting 4k hdr 120hz ;)
Also this thing fits into your pocket, it's always with you and it has mobile internet.
It's a merge for people on the go. Journalists at CES, Influencers, etc.
You don't always have your camera with you, but your phone? yes
It's niche, yes, but that's why it's priced at such a premium
@@stephaned3072 no there r people who wants to use it like actual camera but dont want to carry it around everywhere
@@mst4001 for almost 2000 i wouldve expected more.considering i can get an iphone 13 pro max and shoot pro raw and turn down the default sharpening.the results are close enough from i compared my iphoneb12 pro and a phographer friend's xperia 1iii
@@stephaned3072 no no i mean not tap to shoot. Some just like being busy u know. Before shooting do this do that yea that part 😂
I wish I could speak with your precision, pitch, tone and inflection. Not to mention flawless speed. You just compressed 30-45 minutes into 8 1/2.
I was thinking the same 👍 very precise
@@RaudiA4 Me too!
I always slow his videos down to 75% speed so I don't have to watch it twice to get most of the.details.
not completely flawless, he states the phone has 125GB of RAM at 6:12 . I think he meant 12GB of RAM.
Does he even breathe while speaking?
Can confirm it's 12 Gigs, not 125 gigs of Ram. According to GSM Arena.
6:13 thanks was going to ask about that
I was like "what????" :D
125 gb ram kill you computer
😂😂
According to sony🥺
"But we wish it had a fully articulating screen" - Jordan and Chris probably
Sony is clearly tricking us by calling the sensor "type 1", but in their marketing material they mention the word inch not even once, except for their display size. The Phone has 12 MP and each pixel is 2.4qm. A Sony RX100 or ZV1 has 20 MP while the pixels are the same size. Doesn't it sound kinda fishy? For comparison, phones like the Samsung S21 Ultra have 12 MP in its pixel-binned mode, while a binned pixel is 2.4qm big. That device's sensor size is about 1/1.3 inch. So the Sony Xperia Pro-i's sensor should be also about the same size.
There is crop to avoid module to be too large.
Lens is about 19mm ..
You didn't cover something very important. The camera doesn't use the full 1 inch sensor, just a smaller portion of it... to then say it is a 1inch camera is very misleading without adding that important information.
exactly, when you said one inch i thought 'wow' but then i read other comments and i'm not the only one noticing that this is not really 1"
May be it was just for dual aperture
Considering the RX100 VII is $1200, the Xperia Pro-I with normal high-end phone features is pretty reasonable for an additional $600.
But it's far from the reall performance of a rx100 vii with its 24-200mm lens coverage! Also using the full whith of the sensor instead of only 60% of it.
Wait this phone is $2000😂☠️
@@jcap8391 🤣🤣🤣my thought exactly.i can get an iphone 13 pro max and a camera😅🤦🏾♂️
😂😂 wait until it's comparison comes out with iPhone and Samsung... it's total useless phone for 1800$
@@jcap8391 Your school has failed you
I think people who are complaining about the price miss the point of this. I'm not saying it's cheap by any means, but this is an all in one solution for mobile creators. You have a very capable camera from both a hardware and software perspective. Your able to edit those photos and videos on the same device and then share them by whatever platform you are using anywhere in the world long as you have a Wi-Fi or cellular connection.
Yes you can buy that little Sony vlogging camera or something and another phone. How do you move that content effectively to the phone? Or do you wait to get home and put the footage on a computer now you're well over that 1800 mark when you factor that in. This isn't a device for everyone and that's fine. I hope we continue to see improvements in this space that will trickle down to the more mainstream lines later on
But the camera isn't actually any better than other high end phones... The phone uses a 12mp crop of the 20mp 1" sensor, meaning it's actual imaging area is about the same as a 1/1.3" sensor.
Panasonic actually had the CM1 already a few years ago with a 1" sensor and a Leica (design) 28mm equivalent lens. The phone part was so-so, but the camera was great! (another Leica phone with 1" sensor was also released a few months ago - in Asia only - and so this Xperia is certainly not the first one. Having said that, this one looks amazing!
I think they meant the first phone with PDAF on a 1" sensor.
I was so excited until the price tag.
You could buy a rx100 Iv and a decent phone and still have 700 dollars left.
That’s too much
It is for rich people who wants camera and phone together
So how do you justify iPhone and galaxy top model prices.
There is barely 200 to 300 dollar difference. And this model offers way more camera features.
What about galaxy fold price. 😂😂
@@akhilesh718 they are for flexing
Lmao, it's not for casual user.
@@akhilesh718 iPhones are easy to use point and shoot with this one you won’t get the best results by doing that.
But a pro how takes time to take picture would pic a camera and not this phone
The big story is of course the 1"-type stacked CMOS sensor from the RX100 VII. However, in order to keep the phone small, Sony has designed a lens that can't project an image circle large enough to cover the entire area of the 1" sensor. That's why, instead of 20MP images, as you'd get from the RX100 VII camera, you get 12MP images. But this has a broader implication: the combination of a slower F2 lens (than many of its smartphone peers) and a sensor that's not quite as big as a 1"-type sensor means the image quality might not meet the initial expectations you might have when you think 'smartphone with RX100 sensor'. In fact, if you consider just the area used for 12MP stills, it has roughly a 12mm diagonal and 70mm2 sensor surface area: closer to the specs of a 1/1.31" sensor (such as the one in the Google Pixel 6).
Finally someone has put together a decent look at this device.
:)))) 8 minutes of marketing bullshit
@@Alex-fk3ni not if you are a photographer....
@@petejung3122 read some stuff about physics...
@@Alex-fk3ni jesus man.
I'm a photographer,
Learned old school when there was no aut. Cameras yet.
I'm an old boy, I surely know the physics of a camera.
Got a hint for you. Buy yourself a camera, with the ability to go full manual, and look for yourself.
Jesus Christ, what's wrong with people these days?
@@petejung3122 oh, so you are an old school photographer, oh man... 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ You see, dear photographer, f/2.0 on a smartphone has nothing to do with f/2.0 on a camera. And there is no need to make a mechanical diaphragm on pro-i. I will tell you even more to help you understand photography a bit more. When you make f/4 on a smartphone, the diffraction is getting bigger than 2.4um pixels of pro-i can handle, so you even decrease details.
I think there are a lot of stuff you should learn before commenting on how good pro-i camera is.
Wow, this phone sound so perfect, its also have microsd slot n headphone jack that very rare on now day phones
yeah and if it feels too expensive you can check the rest of Xperia lineup
I felt as though i was in a lost world when he said 125GB of RAM.
Your video of the product is gorgeous! (And the product itself looks gorgeous!)
I wouldn't have minded if they made it a little bit thicker to cover the camera bump while incorporating a 5000 to 6000mah battery
I'd love to be able to shoot with my phone, but I think phones have gone crazy with the prices to a point where it's almost cheaper to get a Sony a7III than a phone...So for me, for photography, does not make sense to spend that much on a phone when you can get a full frame camera for the same price. I can't understand how a phone can cost almost 2K $.
Well this phone is from their PRO lineup which is different than let's say Apple's. When Sony uses the name Pro it really means it is meant for professionals. This phone for vloggers and the previous pro was meant as an accessory for other Alpha cameras as a camera monitor and 5G modem. If you'd like more affordable phone with same features, check Xperia 1 III or 5 III, these cost like your common flagship phone but it's true that they don't have an 1 inch sensor. Btw Phones and cameras have totally different use cases, makes no sense to compare them like that.
@@MrMozkoZrout I know this, I´m just saying that as a camera is not as good as what you can get for the price, and as a phone, to me, is really expensive...so I could not justify getting one. I´d love to be able to carry a computer in my pocket that takes decent photos, but 2K...Again, just me, I use the phone for very basic tasks (e-mail and social media) and for photography.
@@DavidCJPhotography yes I understand you. I was in market for a new phone recently and I also wouldn't spend this much money on a phone even tho I'd love that camera capability. I did buy Xperia 5 III tho and I love it so far and even tho it's not on this phones level it's still really impressive in camera department. And well it's way more affordable
@@MrMozkoZrout I´m looking for a phone right now I will check that one, are you happy with it?
Awh beans, the first thing that’s ever made me wanna switch to android
For real. I always buy the newest iPhone because i use it for video, and iPhone's have always been way better. Buuuuuut sony just dropped the mic 😂👌🏻
@@Randuski Nah, they didn't lol
They've been doing this for years - trying to convince users that their smartphones have the best quality, but in reality it falls behind by a lot. Google Pixel/iPhones/Samsung Galaxy are still the top three for photos, with the iPhones being the best for video. Even the samples in this video don't look anything crazy, the images might be cleaner but the post processing is so undeveloped, compared to the other three brands.
@@agiverreviga4592 the other three brands suits for you insta-wannabe-famous cus it does edit the picture taken to look vibrant in just short time. meanwhile this "pro" sony phones isnt for that it's camera are meant to be use with manual settings and picture taken are true to life colour. just ignore it if you dont like it. youre wasting your time.
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Welcome aboard!
@@theartofphotography 🙏🏾
A 1-inch sensor and accompanying software are indeed fantastic features... for a phone. But in any other context I would laugh myself out the door of the shop at the idea of spending so much dosh on a fixed lens camera with that kind of limitation, let alone on a phone that's going to be completely outdated (and probably not even supported) in a couple of years' time. For $1.8k I can get a decent APS-C body and a suite of lenses.
and if you buy used you could get full frame + lenses for that price. it's so funny to see all these photography channels losing their minds over this phone.
Try making a phone call on your APS-C body……….
Masterpiece smartphone camera from Sony!
If anyone wants to know anything about cameras, watch what this man has to say on that product. He is fast and precise, thus , watching him smarten in no time. Thanks.
:))) Maybe this smart guy could explain how 1" 20Mp RX100 sensor transformed into 1" 12Mp PRO-I sensor?
@@Alex-fk3ni definitely by degrading.
@@yumphallangthaphal1598 by cropping. So, in fact there is no 1" sensor. And whole video is a marketing bullshit
@@Alex-fk3ni from what is apparent, the obvious is, the mechanics of lens on RX 100 cannot be assembled on the mobile. That is the part I said "degrading".
@@yumphallangthaphal1598 sure
Please can you show the phone video capabilities esp low light & eye AF? Also am I the only one who doesn’t care about the 1 inch sensor issue?
Just saw peachy's short vid on this. It honestly stomps the iPhone in image quality. Photos and most notably, video. It just looks like a real camera, and even though iPhone video has always been leagues better than everyone else, it still has this computational, artificial look to the image. Which was still better than everything else, but raw sensor power is gonna win here. It just looks so gat damn clean
Lol no
@@IridiumZero no? You disagree? Did you see the short Sara dietchy posted? It's honestly pretty damn nuts haha
@@IridiumZero I'm curious to see more of it, cause androids usually have weird jitter problems with video, which was the main issue i had with em. Like iPhone video has always been so damn smooth
At nearly $2k I have no use for this chatchkee and would put that money toward a new full frame mirrorless body
Kind of shows phones are nowhere near capable of competing with real cameras. The ergonomics alone are enough to keep me from filming or taking pictures with phones.
But you just get a camera with it. With this device you also get a full flagship smartphone
You're right. I have my own separate cameras and 6 lenses, right? But many would pay towards a phone with camera that's (pro) like. This is for them.
@@godakuri5944 you can get a smartphone for $100. I never owned or needed a smartphone prior to 2018. They are so overrated.
All I'm going to say is the Xperia 1 II came out just over a year and a half ago, and carried a hefty price tag for what it was. I have no issues with Sony making two updates to the hardware since then, but I sincerely hope they plan to port that new camera app to the older phones, because there is no good reason those shouldn't have had a better base app. The single most frustrating thing for me was not cinema pro, but that the shutter button launcher couldn't launch it. So I was stuck with the crappy base camera app and zero ability to take advantage of the advance camera features for video with out taking a significantly longer time getting into the pro app. To summarize again one had crappy video in an instant or a great video in under a minute. I want that new app, but refuse to spend $1800 on a new phone when my existing phone still functions fantastically outside of what I spent the extra money on it for.
Sell it and upgrade to what your heart desires. I am glad i waited and not caved into the initial xperia 1 ii. Selfie camera put me off. Glad it did. Cos now this phone is whole other ball game. Plus your one is losing value fast
@@EdoHDpro No offense, but that response totally missed the point. While I'm happy for anyone who gets any phone at any time that fits their needs/desires the point of my post was that the software that easily should run on any of the older Xperia 1 models, even the first one, has not been made available to these older Xperia models. The fact Sony has not released a software update to add this software is a huge negative for them. Why? Because people bought this top of the line phone with the hardware it has knowing the software could be updated, but when a company fails to upgrade the software that represents the core marketing point of the whole phone, it disrespects their users. Thus I will not buy or upgrade my existing phone to any future Sony phone if this kind of issue doesn't get satisfactorily resolved.
Looks fantastic..worth buying
Digg deeper and you will find out how sony lies everybody about this sensor and lenses! 😉
Please take photos and videos in various scenarios and compare it to its closest rivel the iPhone as Tony Northrop did. His review is excelent especially to photographers. From those test it is clearly seen that for normal pepe the iPhone is way better
And I do t own an iphone
Great video. Would you still recommend this phone in 2023? Now is the basic camera without using the photo app? Thank you
The LG v30 had a glass lens. Interested in the video on the stand and monitor.
Wait and see
as an apple-user i never had an eye on sony phones but this report leaves me speechless - a shutterbutton on a phone - i love that !
We've had those for years. . .
Lmao, shutter button is always there in Sony.
Sony already have dedicated shutter button from way back when the brand still name sony ericsson lmao
My sony ericsson w700i even have one
Well you hopped in Iphones too early. Sony phones been havin shutter button from the start...
What camera did u use to record this video😳 it looks incredible 😳💥
This is really the upgrade from the previous. Because xperia 1-1iii is just almost the same and this took the step ahead! Good thing I waited for this release. I'm gonna wait again for the next one. 🤣😂 Phone getting better together with the price getting higher. 🤣😂 Still using my xz premium. I hope to get a hold on this one in the future.
Leica made long time ago 1 inch sensor phone.
Xperia =😍
Perfectly amazing 👏 No gimmicks. PRO at its best!!!
this is a gadget, smartphones cannot be pro photography.
Life's a Xperia Pro I for🎄 Christmas 🎄
GREAT Run Down indeed 👌
I wish the main lens was 35mm instead of 24mm
Word of advice:
4500mAh is merely enough to power this beast with a 4k 120Hz display.
Expect a lot of charging during heavy use.
From a Sony Xperia 1 iii user.
This!
I want that phone so bad. The price tho...smh lol I need a new car first...
Lmao,.you clearly dont have 1 iii😅
I'm pretty sure the iphone 12 - 13 have 1 inch sensors
The first available 1 inch camera sensor in a phone was from Panasonic in 2014 not Sharp and NOT SONY! Probably a similar sensor that sony has now in 2021 :))))))
did that one "almost" autofocus too 😂
@@longrider9551 Panasonic was the first.. where was sony in 2014?😂😂😂 Playing with toys in the sand?😂😂😂
Can you shoot in raw only or does it force jpeg and raw like all the other phones?
Photo Pro offers 3 options: Jpeg, raw and jpeg+ raw
@@silva_br1 awesome! Thanks so much .. I always like to shoot in raw and edit later but I hate that most phones force jpegs also... Think I'll be retiring my one plus 9 pro and picking one of these up :)
Using Zeiss len always is the winner on phone market..Sony Xperia Pro I is the best camera phone..
Looking forward to the full review.
Looks astonishing!
There is no cake, Sony uses only 60% of the sensor and google pixel 6 using pixel binning provides wee bit more resolution with same pixel size 2x2 binned. I almost wanted to buy it right away
I’m waiting for the pro 1r
Wouldn’t compare it with an rx100 vii but a ZV1 which can be bought for 600-700 bucks and it still doesn’t have the one inch sensor at just one focal length, but across the entire range.
Add to that, that the 1 inch sensor is cropped to around 1/1.3 inch (60% of the area of an one inch) and the lack of space for a decent optic and it just stops making any sense at all.
Awesome stuff, need it to keep pushing the competition
The real Smartphone Photography of course Xperia PRO I
This experia camera is going to feature in the next iphones and the top of the line Android cameras. That is why Sony make those smartphones to simply showcase their camera to leadin smartphone manufacturers.
Thanks. Would have been nice if you shot faces. I find judging skin to be a great way of determining camera quality.
How do you figure it all out?
but for how long will it receive updates? and how well can it be repaired?
2 - 3 major software updates and in Asia which Im from, there's a lot of service center. Not sure in other regions/countries though.
Finally. Aperture control is back to phones after Samsung ditched theirs.
LG V series has had them for years
Can't wait to see your full review and I guess the extra monitor and the tripod will works on Xperia 1 & 5 So well I might get thoses accessories before to get change my X1 Mark III.
However this PRO-I I really love it 1 Inch sensor is that i was watting for from Sony.
Then after my Xperia 1 Mark 3 I will move to this pro line up series for sure.
Excellent camera, Why do they cal it a phone?
Panasonic should come up with a CM-1 successor with a m43 sensor.
LG had manual video options years ago shame they were ahead of their time just no one was looking. Props to Sony for finally bringing imaging on a serious level to the Phones. They need to bring back the cybershot brand and zenon flash.
LG were the only ones apart from Sony who were doing things differently, it's shame they stopped. They made a big mistake that Sony didn't tho and that is consistency. Ever since Sony rebooted their lineup, they had lazer focused vision of what their phones are supposed to be and they stuck with it and kept improving on it no matter how much other people criticised them for not being accessible for the masses. LG sadly were constantly trying new and trully interesting ideas but they never stuck with anything and always abandoned the tech they put into their phones. It was especially a pitty with their modular phones, that could have been a revolution if it got improved and established.
1" phone sensor? Take my money! Probably still missing a "minimum shutterspeed" setting.
But also: wohoo, wrist strap is back :)
Seems like those "1 inch" actually are only 1/2 inch, sadly. Got exited at first, but seems to be just another marketing gimmick.
@@fricki1997 exactly my thoughts
Compare it to the Sony ZV-1
As a very sight disabled photographer I keep looking for a viewfinder when I use my phones camera
Watching from my Xperia 1 iii, I feel like I should've waited for this!
....bro youre sony videos are great.
Should shoot incredibly with Filmic Pro software apps
Cinema Pro already does very well. Check sony youtube channel. You see some samples done by Jeff Berlin and other.
@@silva_br1 I will thanks
Jesus, not bad! Obviously it does not take full advantage of the sensor, but man it is crazy. I had the Panasonic Lumix a few years ago with real 1" sensor, but it was a few years ahead of time
My brother! I have mine and still love it. It still gets a lot of attention from strangers and friends. A shame that Panasonic has stopped updating it at Android 5 only
@@AC-dr4gq yeah with mine battery died and of courser the missing android support made me put it on a shelve
@@ArminHirmer it'll make a great mantlepiece then haha
The RX100 is 24 megapixels but the Pro-I is 12 megapixels. I read that the lens isn’t big enough to cover the full 1inch so it’s a cropping to 12 mp. Seems like a waste of a 1 inch sensor when you only use half of it.
Can that tripod also move with the subject so the camera follows you left and right?
Sounds amazing, but the 1" sensor is only for the 24 mm lens, right? The other two cameras are using some lesser sensors?
Nice video
Hi, which camera do you shoot your videos with?
Great Video truly. But 4 months and no reviews from the best photography channel. I have to call @sony to send you one right now
Do Full Camera Review Of Sony Xperia Pro 1
You really are a sony man Ted, still wouldn't have one. Never mind you did your best.
@@nelsonclub7722 Me or Ted. I did it for 10 years Model Portfolio (fashion) Portraits & weddings every now and again. Now semi-retired and the beauty of that is I can photograph everything for fun and not have to worry. What about yourself?
Actual pro ❤
Imagine that sensor as well tech with Googles image software
😀 Well, that is EXACTLY Google Pixel 6 - the same sensor size + google software
125GBs of RAM? I need this 🙈
12*
I think he means 12 G RAM 🐏
@@dancarlton7973 of this I am fully aware. 😛
Did I hear 125 gigs of ram?
no
You did. He misspoke - it's 12 gigs of RAM.
Sony Xperia entrou no caminho da Sharp e da Leica com câmeras de uma polegada show
Sony fez os sensores para Sharp e Leica
Still waiting for Xperia 1iii review
I had to replay the section where you said 125 gigs of ram? WOW, I just got a laptop that has 32 gigs..... Another great review.
It's 12 gigs
@@nuntius1 Makes more sense
At 6:14 12gb of ram,not 125gb. A bit of error there
You had me at “headphone jack”
Sony designs the chips used in the Fuji X series bodies. Naturally here you want a lens protector. Something that slides open on a case.
WOW 👑SONY GOD FOREVER#1 ✌️ 👑
Do not forget Leica phone.
I don't understand why more outlets aren't making it clear that Sony are only using a part of the sensor, not the whole thing, so not the same experience and misleading marketing.
Torn between Google 6pro or the Sony I think the Sony because of there history in technology
Beautiful design
It is damn expensive... I will buy a sony rx100 vii for 1300 usd and keep my phone for watching your videos...
Sony so cool, finally see some real possibility for smartphone to completely replace a pro camera. Good job #sony #xperia pro I
The moment they release a phone with a 50/1.4 Planar equivalent - I'm in!
A truly PRO experience 🖤
Is this better than iPhone 13 and Samsung latest flagship?
Panasonic also had a phone with 1in too, the CM1 back in like 2015. That was paired with a f2.5 or was it f2.8 lens & used the full sensor, which this isn't.
Great phone especially the camera
Finally got this 6 months ago. Good pics but not worth the $1,600 that I paid.