This right here @5:44 "If God's word is being misrepresented. Yet, I love that misrepresentation. Am I actually Loving God, or am I loving Me?" --- Mike came out Guns Blazing!
@Marcus Anthony We are called to Love our Neighbor and to Love ourselves just as Christ has loved us. However, the context of Mike's comment is concerning exalting SELF and selfish desires above God and his word. We do not get to redefine the word of God so that it make us "Feel" a specific way when what we already have has been bringing the message of salvation and redemption into the world for over 1500 years.
Have u ever heard the iHOP people talk about this? They are literally obsessed with ranting about how they think Revelation backs up their full blown Gnosticism and mysticism. I got so frustrated the other day hearing exactly that. It’s so wrong, and brain washed.
However, using a Scripture in Revelation and applying it to the entire Bible is problematic. Bc either one of two things happened. 1) The context of what you are saying applies to only Revelation and the prophecies contained within (since it was written as stand alone and wasnt put into a combined work until much later). Or 2) The people who put the books/letters together of the Bible added it to apply to the entire Bible thus violating what they put in. Saying that. There are other places where the same premise is conveyed. But you might argue context there too (Deut, Prov). Still shouldn't add to it.
@@stevenmilner2752 Exactly! This particular person had such an extreme perspective. She literally believed that Revelation was 100% proof for Christians to do all the Gnostic and Mystic type things, like an unlimited license to practice anything that direction. And she said that she attended a 6 week workshop at iHop, that taught her all about this exact info. I was so dumbfounded by the claims because I’ve never heard anything so blatant and extreme, and absolutely wrong in such an obvious way! I read Revelation the following week, beginning to end, as it was next in my reading anyways. And reading it in full context, in order, I struggled to see how any Christian could read that as a prescription for our everyday life. It’s clearly a description of a major detailed event, that was divinely revealed for the purpose of the Canaan. At least that was my non scholarly laymen’s understanding, just reading it on my own.
Though this episode was recorded 2 years ago I just listened (September '23). Winger has done a great job of explaining why and what are the problems with this translation. Really appreciate this.
Always great to get brother Mike Winger on. I love a man who does his homework, and I know he has, as I've listened to hours of his uploads on this passion translation. Much respect for his work. I also wanted to add something. I mean its absolutely clear any serious christian who is devoted to Gods Word, should stay away from this ridiculous book, but to add to more reasons why you should. Just watch the Brian Simmons interview on the Sid Roth show, where he claims to have visited the library in heaven, and met with Jesus face to face. That alone should raise some eyebrows to the validity of what this man claims. Link: ua-cam.com/video/1vMTufSKaY8/v-deo.html
I agree with what you say but I'm just curious. If we can believe the apostle Paul's testimony of seeing the risen Lord and having had various visions of Jesus, heaven, etc. Why shouldn't we even consider (and outright dismiss) Brian Simmons when he says something similar?
Hours of his work usually refers to just one video, because they are all hours long :) Love it though as the guy is great and humble in his teaching! God Bless!
@@bassrocks27 1) The 12 Apostles were appointed by God himself, in person, and did many exceptional things that only they could do. 2) It’s a closed Cannon. God says so. 3) numerous scriptures discuss what to do with anyone who comes forward claiming God told them something. And none of it tells us to reopen the cannon. 4) To compare any man today, to any of the 12 Apostles that walked with Jesus.... that’s very very arrogant and self inflated. And I think someone who demonstrates that bad character, falls into many others sins right away. (Technically 13 Apostles of course) I hope this helps.
@Dean Agnor Literally, that is exactly what many MANY “prophets” are claiming, and at numerous “churches”. They even rewrote a new Bible “translation” to support their very broken theology, and heresies. And I didn’t come here to debate or argue. I was trying to answer an unanswered question someone else asked. So I did just that. Very simply, and shortly, and in a way that anyone can understand. If you’re looking for a debate with someone, I’m not it. But I assure you, many many large church names and people, literally claim they are speaking for God, as if it’s to be taken as Cannon. Go a head and look into that yourself.
@Dean Agnor You can speak on behalf of your own intentions, but not on behalf of everyone else. Some very big names, do factually believe their “prophesies” are to be handle as the inherent word of God. And that is heresy. You surely cannot think that you speak for all “preachers”, do you?
Well done, Mike Winger! Thank you so much for all your time, service, and hard work. Reading, studing scripture is such a vital part of my walk with God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost. We need men such as you to keep us honest.
"TPT does not compromise the Gospel"...18:22 mark .... my concern is that yes, from an acute observation it may not, but one could say that where there are a twisting of scripture, it could lead a person down a place where their understanding of the Gospel is askew and compromised. Look at Paul's letters to Corinth and Galatia. They were given the Gospel of Christ, but "ear tickling", bewitching, division, whatever - turned into full blown perversion of God's word, and we seek that in our flesh as spoken about in 2 Timothy. We seek speakers that fit this notion. We love ourselves, and we do not put up with sound doctrine. I told my church, if point a marble towards a particular destination, I want to make sure that its path stays straight. If I shift it's direction in the slightest way, as that marble travels further and further down its path it goes further and further away from its intended mark. So something so slight at first can lead to complete "miss" in the long run.
It would be awesome to have Brian Simmons, himself, as a guest on Remnant Radio to explain the answers to some of these excellent questions. Perhaps we could gain some perspective. I'm happy the body of Christ is seeking to rightly divide the Word of God.
How is it not a cult when the man who wrote this claims to have been given secret books in heaven that only he was given. And that there is a John 22 coming that he wasn’t allowed to have yet? How is this not an immediate no. What about Joseph smith? Didn’t he have the same kind of experience? I think you are going to be held accountable if you don’t warn the people who are coming here for clarification on those questions. They even say Jesus was just a man.
Thank you for this conversation. I was very alarmed by this version when it strated to come out. I teach the bible and strive to use the most original language for interpretation. I have stopped listening to anything coming from teachers that use this from the pulpit. The text is almost unrecognizable from the passion. Thank you again!
So, why does the TPT website say he is apart of a team and it is reviewed by Rick Wadholm, Jr., Gary S. Greig, Jaqueline Grey, and Jeremy Bouma. Who are they and why does this website list them as those who review the translation and why does the website claim he works with a team but Mike Winger claims he is a complete solo translator?
Just listening to this as I'm a fan of Remnant Radio. Mike criticism is 1. TPT is the work of one man. But so is the JB Philips translation, the Darby Bible, Youngs Literal Translation. So moot. 2. Douglas Moo isn't a good authority on the Greek in Romans as he fails in his debate with Dr.Gordon Fee on Romans 8:26 in Moos attempt to evade the case for tounges being refered. The verse is so clear that a student of NT Wright is doing a PhD on it. Moo seeks to bring his tradition to bear on it. I just mean he's not a good authority. *I think Mike Wingers primary objection to the TPT has nothing to do with the objections. Mike needs to come clean and just say he doesn't like it BECAUSE the translator Simmons claimed to be told to do it because a visitation from an angel. And that's it.. Mike you'd be more honest if you just approached it as a discernment issue over prophecy. It needs to be tested scripurally. As in Acts 23:9 "Then a great clamor arose, and some of the scribes of the Pharisees’ party stood up and contended sharply, “We find nothing wrong in this man. What if a spirit or an angel spoke to him?”.. if an angel (from God) actually told Simmons to do the Passion then the rest follows. And if Simmons is lying or an angel (Not from God) told Jim the rest follows. That's Mike's real issue and he needs to approach it that way. You cannot test the claim the other ways. 3. The Aramaic objection isn't strong. Leon Morris (in his classic John commentary) used the same argument for seeing the term in John 3 "born again" as " born from above" from the Aramaic. Morris argues that the Greek word has a double meaning of "born again.a new" and "born from above" and John may have been playing on that double meaning. But since Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus in Aramaic, which doesnt have that double meaning, Jesus himself was probably said "born from above" . If a great scholar like Leon Morris used that way... how can it be a big problem. The scholars brought into to object the translation aren't active within the "Spirit-filled" ministry . Just holding a continuationist position doesn't make you charismatic, and many who are "tounges speakers" aren't moving actively in Spirit-filled" ministry. You cannot object just because it supports "word of faith" teaching...rather you have to examine if the Greek actually supports it. I'd see the TPT as similar to THE MESSAGE. I dont use the NIV .especially the old one for the same reason you dont use the Passion. The NIV does the same with inconsistent translations of words. I'd not use the Passion for study
@@Iffmeister definitely not. I'm a partial preterist myself. Brian Simmons is a post-millennial and teaches what's known as the Manifest Sons of God. Its deeply troubling and profoundly erroneous.
I respect this guy, and I respect Brian Simmons. It’s always the same issue for me... everyone believes their theology is the correct theology (and here’s my manmade qualifications to prove that I’m right and everyone else is wrong). Read your bibles (get hold of multiple translations!), pray, give God glory... debates about who is right and why are boring.
I think it’s also really harmful to say that there are discernment channels that want to “beat up”. I’d much rather watch someone who carefully and lovingly presents truth rather than tiptoes and around error because they have friends or endorsements riding on false unity. I really want to encourage you both to defend the faith from the understanding of how destructive deception is. Many people don’t have theological degrees or the maturity to test but trust pastors and teachers like yourselves with credentials in “good faith”. Sometimes a sharp rebuke in love is needed when there is blatant error and people are being lead astray away from the truth of God - see Matthew 23. I’m just visiting here because of Mike. God bless you both also.
Do you mean videos condemning courts of heaven, video condemning the physics of haven video, the countless videos on gnosticism, videos condemning MTD or videos condemning false converts etc. I totally agree. We should be willing to give stern rebukes.
Go to the website of the man who lies about his qualifications and his experience with the paya kuna bible project and expect to find out the truth? Eh.......I'll pass
Most of my friends still use the Passion Translation even after I have brought up all the problems with it . They still love and follow bethel church. They love the pretty words and don't care about accuracy.
Ok so How should I respond when its my Pastors wife who sometimes does preach favorite translation unsure if only, & church is small definitely spirit filled church.. please advise?
This is very troubling to me. I have enjoyed the spin of the Passion translation but now about 5 months after hearing this discussion, I resent when pastors lean so heavily on the PT. Its like using Cliff's notes to compose a sermon, but worst. Thanks for this RR and MW. Great content.
Let met just reiterate, I really like Mike, my eyes were opened to the NAR through his teachings, but I just want to know what his qualifications are for reference.
Great interview. As a charismatic leader, I’m sad how much people in my movement haven’t looked into this. I think we are going to make it a rule that our speakers can’t use the TPT. Btw, Simmons is a idealist, not postmill.
Googled it.....Ein or En is spring (water, not the season) goat kid (baby/toddler goat) Spring of the Young Goat ...... that would be bah-ah-ah-ahd translation!
It seems like an intellectually honest and rigorous team of suitably credentialed Bible scholars, who are atheists, would produce a more reliable bible than the Passion "Translation"
Thank you for this thoughtful and insightful discussion about the passion translation. I recently acquired a copy of it and was thoroughly enjoying it up until this point. Hahaha!. I am thankful for the warnings and the cautions that you presented here as it is easy to be led astray. We need to cling to the truth of the word of God and to be plugged in with Jesus and his holy spirit at the same time in order to be discerning. Thank you thank you thank you! You now have a new subscriber.
Acts 11:26 is what first tipped me off to the fishy business in TPT, and I’m probably a “hyper charismatic” too haha. Great video, looking forward to seeing Mike’s work with all those scholars
When he said the passion translation is a close translation to other bibles I laughed. I’ve been in Bible study groups where people read from TPT and I’m in the NKJV and I’m lost. 😂 that book is so overly annotated and quite different. It’s at best a commentary Bible but should not be given as much authority as it’s being given.
14:03 he has worked on translating the Bible previous to The Passion Translation. He is been a Bible translator in his work in Panama as well being part of the Paya-Kuna New Testament translation project
He wasn't involved on the translating and had left LONG before the new testament was translated and given to the natives in their own language. Mike spoke to Don from ethnos 360 (the current name of the group who did this translation and who brian was working with) who confirmed he DID not translate ANYTHING and ethnos 360 do not endorse Brian's translation (TPT) OR his methods of translating. He has no qualifications in Hebrew, Greek or Aramaeic and does not speak or read these languages. How is that a translation. Oh, he also misleads and infered the opposite of all these things and straight out lied about his experience with the paya kuna project. How is this man worthy to translate ANYTHING let alone claim he was given the task by Jesus Himself and led by the Holy Spirit while doing it ? Jesus would never rewrite His own word that was once and for all handed down by Him and the Holy Spirit is the spirit of TRUTH!
"Themelios" periodical - Dr. Andrew Shead, head of Old Testament and Hebrew at Moore Theological College, Sydney and a member of the NIV Committee on Bible Translation. Review> Psalms "The result is a strongly sectarian translation that no longer counts as scripture; by masquerading as a Bible it threatens to bind entire churches in thrall to a false god." (April 2018)
While I am no advocate of the PT, I am cautious of throwing out a translation purely on the grounds of it being the work of one translator. If that was the case, we would say so long to Jerome’s Vulgate, Tyndale’s English Bible, and Robert Alter’s Tanahk (granted, as a Hebraic scholar, he only translated the OT, but the point remains). The faith has historically been upheld by committees AND individuals who translated the Scriptures. I would agree that a team of scholars is preferable to a lone translator in general, but I think it’s pushing it to say that this must be a rule. Again, I have major issues with the PT-it being the product of Simmons alone is not one of them.
Thank you. This was so helpful. I bought and enjoyed TPT for some time then began to struggle with the extent of difference in passages. I so appreciate that you were discussing the issues involved clearly without critically tearing people down.
I'm always suspicious of bible translations other than the kjv.. I don't know why it's not like I know alot about translations... Would the passion be a good commentary to the bible? Or just throw it out? What about the NLT?
In this age not only do we need to test what is taught against scripture but test new translations against scripture as well. It makes it more easier to be deceive and believe false doctrine. Today Christian need to stand alone on the original word of God. There are so many good translations, we do not need any new translations for English.✝️✝️📖📖
Great supporter of Pastor Mike Winger; thank you for your deep study of the Word and desire to know & shine the Truth, showing all the errors and deceptions as well as teaching the body to learn how to rightly devide the Word. Thank you to Remnant Radio for bringing in Pastor Mike Winger, a sound biblical teacher of the Word with such humility as well... 🙂 shalom.
"MIQLAT" - Dr. Mike Heiser, Hebrew, GRK, Ancient Semitic Languages (see Logos Bible software) Review> Passion Trans. Song of Songs (Solomon) "TRULY AWFUL", also see "Not Good News The New NAR "Passion Translation of the Bible"
I don't see a problem with "anointed ones" . I in no way consider myself as a mini Jesus just anointed with His anointing. I'm uncertain as to Mike's issue.
@@rileyanderson7379 so what's the problem? I'm not saying TPT is correct overall, I'm just pointing out we are His anointed not as on par with Jesus but with His anointing of the holy spirit. He is the author of this act. 2 Corinthians 1:21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
Why don’t you revue all the corrupt modern versions? The Lord warned us not to change His Word. Not to add unto it, nor take away from it. Check 1 Peter 2:9 in your “favorite” version and see if it’s not a racist translation. There’s no place for racism in God’s Word. “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:” 1 Peter 2:9 KJV vs “But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.” 1 Peter 2:9 ESV and most others.
The King James is perfect. It is Holy and Pure, and has been for over four hundred years. An attack on the King James is an attack on the very Word of God. If you think that English is just another language invented by man, you are blind. The Lord gave us all languages at the Tower of Babel. He is the inventor of languages. He is the very Word of God. He warned us not to change His Word for a reason. The opening of this door has sown nothing but confusion in the church. Is the JW Bible Holy? Is the Joseph Smith Bible Holy? Is the “message” Holy? Is the Catholic Bible Holy? The apocrypha? The NIV??!!! There is no end of these distortions. It has been the enemy himself who has initiated this attack on God’s Word with the motivation of greed. Filthy lucre! The Lord says in His Word, “trust not in man”. “The Holy Spirit will teach you all things”. But we have allowed man to make the Bible say what he wants. We rely on man to “make it easy” for us to understand. It is the perfect Word of God that changes men’s hearts. If you deny the work of God that the King James Bible has done, you are denying the very work of God. And to be clear, this is not about salvation. You only need one Word to be saved, the name above all names, Jesus, THE WORD! So I’m not saying you are not saved if you are reading from one of these corrupted Bibles. But you are grieving the Holy Spirit. You are playing into the hands of the devil. You are participating in the corruption and confusion of the church. You are not going in the power of the Holy Spirit. And you are bringing the judgements of God as written in the book of Revelation. The Word of God is so much more complex than our minds can comprehend. It is a living word. And our native tongue is not Greek. It is not Hebrew. It is not Aramaic. It is English!! And we have had great influence on the entire world, and not for good. We have become the harlot of Revelation, going astray from our first love. If you cannot trust the Word of God, The Truth, you have nothing. We have gone down such a slippery slope, and we have fallen off a cliff. The problems of this nation, the problems of the church, the problems of the world can all be traced back to us defiling the Word of God. Judgement is coming, and it will begin at the house of God. America is the house of God. But she has become Babylon the Great, and is ruled by Satan himself now. She will be utterly destroyed, burned with fire, and made an ensample of to the rest of the world. The words of God are true, they are pure, and they will come to fruition just as God has declared. The reason there is so much confusion and false doctrine and inability to discern prophecy correctly is because we have corrupted the very Word of God and trusted in man to tell us what God has said. Without the Holy Spirit, you cannot comprehend the Word of God. We have not recognized and honored what is Holy. The Lord is patient, and not willing that any should perish, but that all will come to repentance and be saved, but His patience will come to an end. It is running out. And He will do what He said He will do. Our only hope is in the mercy of God. Our only hope is in Christ Jesus. Come Lord Jesus, even so, come. “And Babylon shall become heaps, a dwellingplace for dragons, an astonishment, and an hissing, without an inhabitant. How is Sheshach taken! and how is the praise of the whole earth surprised! how is Babylon become an astonishment among the nations!” Jeremiah 51:37, 41 KJV “How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate. And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.” Revelation 18:7-8, 10, 16-19, 21 KJV www.bible.com/1/rev.18.7-8,10,16-19,21.kjv
Yes I want to know that also, I've read it for years and have always loved it. I know that it follows closely to KJV only with expanded words to include more adjectives etc for what the original languages mean.
The Passion is not a translation it’s an abomination. As to Calvin, he was a murderous alcoholic, a fact beyond contestation, that being true how he is given any credence whatsoever I find mystifying.
Unfortunately, since languages change over time, we are going to need new translations every now and then. If not, it will be hard to understand for modern people and the language will feel very unnatural.
Mr Simmons claims Jesus directly downloaded the whole translation into him, thus giving Him revelation to write TP"T", if anything I consider it a commentary. I stay away from it
@@antoniettegonzales which would make it a channelled book and that is absolutely NOT how God inspired scripture, it is not how the Holy Spirit does anything and is forbidden by Him in the scriptures (deuteronomy) 😳
There are 2000 languages with no bible translation, and 1700 with only portions. The translation that's left to do is in minority languages, which is where Brian Simmons started.
Idk. I’d have to know your opinion and the data formulated to give you that opinion before I could tell you whether your opinion was as valid as his or not.
Mike Winger is not handling his recent popularity well. It's going to his head. I'll be praying for him. It's so hard to be in the spot light. Temptation always comes for these people and unfortunately Mike Winger's passions are being turned against him. We need so much discernment to live this life well and to not get swept up in the world. Here Mike says he is part of the pentecostal movement yet he reflects like a Baptist. we all have our part but he is confused. I hope he humbles himself quickly.
I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at. Are you saying that you believe Pastor Mike has misclassified himself and so he is prideful? Or Pastor Mike is reflecting like a baptist and so he is prideful? We all battle with pride, but we should be slow to call someone else out on the issue-especially publicly-unless there is concrete evidence, lest we let our own pride cause us to spread gossip about a brother in Christ.
I think we all have fear of pride. I am sure the Lord will humble him if he needs to be. We however need to take the good God is doing trough him and humble ourselves and remember that he is still a man with faults and we need to pray and encourage. I do not see him being different, let say you are right... email him and talk to him not about him, it is not helpful, you look mean, and I do not think this is what you want to achieve :) They respond very well to email. Let's remember we are all still sinners and growing. Much love Sister ♡
I'm a reformed calvinist, but I love listening to Mike Winger. So humble and so bold, and very articulate.
Same. I’m a Reformed Baptist, and Mike is one of my go-to guys for Christian content. I’ve learned a lot from him!
An apt description of Pastor Mike! He's such a blessing!
Same here!
@Dean Agnor Haha, I see u
Ditto!
This right here @5:44 "If God's word is being misrepresented. Yet, I love that misrepresentation. Am I actually Loving God, or am I loving Me?" --- Mike came out Guns Blazing!
Love your neighbor as you love yourself. Are you loving your neighbor or loving yourself. Maybe it not either/or but both/and.
@Marcus Anthony We are called to Love our Neighbor and to Love ourselves just as Christ has loved us.
However, the context of Mike's comment is concerning exalting SELF and selfish desires above God and his word.
We do not get to redefine the word of God so that it make us "Feel" a specific way when what we already have has been bringing the message of salvation and redemption into the world for over 1500 years.
Revelation is crystal clear on those who add or take from the Word of God and what will happen to them.
Have u ever heard the iHOP people talk about this? They are literally obsessed with ranting about how they think Revelation backs up their full blown Gnosticism and mysticism. I got so frustrated the other day hearing exactly that. It’s so wrong, and brain washed.
However, using a Scripture in Revelation and applying it to the entire Bible is problematic.
Bc either one of two things happened.
1) The context of what you are saying applies to only Revelation and the prophecies contained within (since it was written as stand alone and wasnt put into a combined work until much later).
Or
2) The people who put the books/letters together of the Bible added it to apply to the entire Bible thus violating what they put in.
Saying that. There are other places where the same premise is conveyed. But you might argue context there too (Deut, Prov).
Still shouldn't add to it.
@@stevenmilner2752 Exactly! This particular person had such an extreme perspective. She literally believed that Revelation was 100% proof for Christians to do all the Gnostic and Mystic type things, like an unlimited license to practice anything that direction. And she said that she attended a 6 week workshop at iHop, that taught her all about this exact info. I was so dumbfounded by the claims because I’ve never heard anything so blatant and extreme, and absolutely wrong in such an obvious way! I read Revelation the following week, beginning to end, as it was next in my reading anyways. And reading it in full context, in order, I struggled to see how any Christian could read that as a prescription for our everyday life. It’s clearly a description of a major detailed event, that was divinely revealed for the purpose of the Canaan. At least that was my non scholarly laymen’s understanding, just reading it on my own.
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2020 should be pegged as the year of discernment knowing Jesus for yourself not taking other people’s “word” and going straight to the source.
Though this episode was recorded 2 years ago I just listened (September '23). Winger has done a great job of explaining why and what are the problems with this translation. Really appreciate this.
Always great to get brother Mike Winger on. I love a man who does his homework, and I know he has, as I've listened to hours of his uploads on this passion translation. Much respect for his work.
I also wanted to add something. I mean its absolutely clear any serious christian who is devoted to Gods Word, should stay away from this ridiculous book, but to add to more reasons why you should. Just watch the Brian Simmons interview on the Sid Roth show, where he claims to have visited the library in heaven, and met with Jesus face to face. That alone should raise some eyebrows to the validity of what this man claims.
Link: ua-cam.com/video/1vMTufSKaY8/v-deo.html
I agree with what you say but I'm just curious. If we can believe the apostle Paul's testimony of seeing the risen Lord and having had various visions of Jesus, heaven, etc. Why shouldn't we even consider (and outright dismiss) Brian Simmons when he says something similar?
Hours of his work usually refers to just one video, because they are all hours long :) Love it though as the guy is great and humble in his teaching! God Bless!
@@bassrocks27
1) The 12 Apostles were appointed by God himself, in person, and did many exceptional things that only they could do.
2) It’s a closed Cannon. God says so.
3) numerous scriptures discuss what to do with anyone who comes forward claiming God told them something. And none of it tells us to reopen the cannon.
4) To compare any man today, to any of the 12 Apostles that walked with Jesus.... that’s very very arrogant and self inflated. And I think someone who demonstrates that bad character, falls into many others sins right away.
(Technically 13 Apostles of course)
I hope this helps.
@Dean Agnor Literally, that is exactly what many MANY “prophets” are claiming, and at numerous “churches”. They even rewrote a new Bible “translation” to support their very broken theology, and heresies. And I didn’t come here to debate or argue. I was trying to answer an unanswered question someone else asked. So I did just that. Very simply, and shortly, and in a way that anyone can understand. If you’re looking for a debate with someone, I’m not it. But I assure you, many many large church names and people, literally claim they are speaking for God, as if it’s to be taken as Cannon. Go a head and look into that yourself.
@Dean Agnor You can speak on behalf of your own intentions, but not on behalf of everyone else. Some very big names, do factually believe their “prophesies” are to be handle as the inherent word of God. And that is heresy. You surely cannot think that you speak for all “preachers”, do you?
Well done, Mike Winger! Thank you so much for all your time, service, and hard work. Reading, studing scripture is such a vital part of my walk with God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost. We need men such as you to keep us honest.
Peanut butter and chocolate! Two favorite UA-camr together!
Tracey burroughs from South Africa watching this episode.
The passion is just another New Age Bible version
I want to hear from apologists who are humbly and obviously seeking God first, before all their reasoning is lifted up
"TPT does not compromise the Gospel"...18:22 mark .... my concern is that yes, from an acute observation it may not, but one could say that where there are a twisting of scripture, it could lead a person down a place where their understanding of the Gospel is askew and compromised. Look at Paul's letters to Corinth and Galatia. They were given the Gospel of Christ, but "ear tickling", bewitching, division, whatever - turned into full blown perversion of God's word, and we seek that in our flesh as spoken about in 2 Timothy. We seek speakers that fit this notion. We love ourselves, and we do not put up with sound doctrine. I told my church, if point a marble towards a particular destination, I want to make sure that its path stays straight. If I shift it's direction in the slightest way, as that marble travels further and further down its path it goes further and further away from its intended mark. So something so slight at first can lead to complete "miss" in the long run.
No matter how the web page presents it, it is very confusing if it is called The Passion Translation without actually being a translation :(
It would be awesome to have Brian Simmons, himself, as a guest on Remnant Radio to explain the answers to some of these excellent questions. Perhaps we could gain some perspective. I'm happy the body of Christ is seeking to rightly divide the Word of God.
I wonder how he might respond to the criticism of his work. My view is that he is a greater problem than the “translation.”
How is it not a cult when the man who wrote this claims to have been given secret books in heaven that only he was given. And that there is a John 22 coming that he wasn’t allowed to have yet? How is this not an immediate no. What about Joseph smith? Didn’t he have the same kind of experience? I think you are going to be held accountable if you don’t warn the people who are coming here for clarification on those questions. They even say Jesus was just a man.
Thank you for this conversation. I was very alarmed by this version when it strated to come out. I teach the bible and strive to use the most original language for interpretation. I have stopped listening to anything coming from teachers that use this from the pulpit. The text is almost unrecognizable from the passion. Thank you again!
Thanks for the discussion.
So, why does the TPT website say he is apart of a team and it is reviewed by Rick Wadholm, Jr., Gary S. Greig, Jaqueline Grey, and Jeremy Bouma. Who are they and why does this website list them as those who review the translation and why does the website claim he works with a team but Mike Winger claims he is a complete solo translator?
He touches on that at 38:00.
Just listening to this as I'm a fan of Remnant Radio.
Mike criticism is 1. TPT is the work of one man. But so is the JB Philips translation, the Darby Bible, Youngs Literal Translation. So moot.
2. Douglas Moo isn't a good authority on the Greek in Romans as he fails in his debate with Dr.Gordon Fee on Romans 8:26 in Moos attempt to evade the case for tounges being refered. The verse is so clear that a student of NT Wright is doing a PhD on it. Moo seeks to bring his tradition to bear on it. I just mean he's not a good authority.
*I think Mike Wingers primary objection to the TPT has nothing to do with the objections. Mike needs to come clean and just say he doesn't like it BECAUSE the translator Simmons claimed to be told to do it because a visitation from an angel. And that's it.. Mike you'd be more honest if you just approached it as a discernment issue over prophecy. It needs to be tested scripurally. As in Acts 23:9 "Then a great clamor arose, and some of the scribes of the Pharisees’ party stood up and contended sharply, “We find nothing wrong in this man. What if a spirit or an angel spoke to him?”.. if an angel (from God) actually told Simmons to do the Passion then the rest follows. And if Simmons is lying or an angel (Not from God) told Jim the rest follows. That's Mike's real issue and he needs to approach it that way. You cannot test the claim the other ways.
3. The Aramaic objection isn't strong. Leon Morris (in his classic John commentary) used the same argument for seeing the term in John 3 "born again" as " born from above" from the Aramaic. Morris argues that the Greek word has a double meaning of "born again.a new" and "born from above" and John may have been playing on that double meaning. But since Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus in Aramaic, which doesnt have that double meaning, Jesus himself was probably said "born from above" . If a great scholar like Leon Morris used that way... how can it be a big problem.
The scholars brought into to object the translation aren't active within the "Spirit-filled" ministry . Just holding a continuationist position doesn't make you charismatic, and many who are "tounges speakers" aren't moving actively in Spirit-filled" ministry.
You cannot object just because it supports "word of faith" teaching...rather you have to examine if the Greek actually supports it.
I'd see the TPT as similar to THE MESSAGE.
I dont use the NIV .especially the old one for the same reason you dont use the Passion. The NIV does the same with inconsistent translations of words.
I'd not use the Passion for study
Y'all should look up Brian Simmons' teaching on Revelation 🤦♂️
What did he say? If it's partial preterism ironically he is right, the one place in his Theology he'd be right lol
@@Iffmeister definitely not. I'm a partial preterist myself. Brian Simmons is a post-millennial and teaches what's known as the Manifest Sons of God. Its deeply troubling and profoundly erroneous.
@@rocketmanshawn oh dang man Manifest Sons of God is nonsense theology 🤦🏾♂️ I'm so tired of the NAR
I respect this guy, and I respect Brian Simmons. It’s always the same issue for me... everyone believes their theology is the correct theology (and here’s my manmade qualifications to prove that I’m right and everyone else is wrong).
Read your bibles (get hold of multiple translations!), pray, give God glory... debates about who is right and why are boring.
Thank you very much. Greetings from Poland 🇵🇱. Love your channel. Such a blessing 🙏
Great Video! I came for Ps. Mike, but subbed to you guys too. :)
What happened at 16:05? It skipped :(
I was wondering the same thing!
Educational and instructional! Thanks for the video.
How can we get a print out of the chart of how words were inserted to TPT that are not in the other version?
I took a screen shot of Mike talking and cropped it. Are you able to do the same? Hope this helps you happy to send it to you if not.
I think it’s also really harmful to say that there are discernment channels that want to “beat up”. I’d much rather watch someone who carefully and lovingly presents truth rather than tiptoes and around error because they have friends or endorsements riding on false unity.
I really want to encourage you both to defend the faith from the understanding of how destructive deception is.
Many people don’t have theological degrees or the maturity to test but trust pastors and teachers like yourselves with credentials in “good faith”.
Sometimes a sharp rebuke in love is needed when there is blatant error and people are being lead astray away from the truth of God - see Matthew 23.
I’m just visiting here because of Mike. God bless you both also.
Do you mean videos condemning courts of heaven, video condemning the physics of haven video, the countless videos on gnosticism, videos condemning MTD or videos condemning false converts etc. I totally agree. We should be willing to give stern rebukes.
That is why I just think that Christians should do as the Muslims, learn the Bible from its original language!
For clarity in Matt 4:4 yall define the "word" as logos but isn't it Rhema (timestamp ~1:06:00)
I think it would be wise to fact check some of their opinions. You can go to the TPT website and clarify. Go to the FAQ’s.
Go to the website of the man who lies about his qualifications and his experience with the paya kuna bible project and expect to find out the truth? Eh.......I'll pass
Love Mike Winger. He's helped me grow so much.
Most of my friends still use the Passion Translation even after I have brought up all the problems with it . They still love and follow bethel church.
They love the pretty words and don't care about accuracy.
Ok so How should I respond when its my Pastors wife who sometimes does preach favorite translation unsure if only, & church is small definitely spirit filled church.. please advise?
This is very troubling to me. I have enjoyed the spin of the Passion translation but now about 5 months after hearing this discussion, I resent when pastors lean so heavily on the PT. Its like using Cliff's notes to compose a sermon, but worst. Thanks for this RR and MW. Great content.
I really like Winger, but can someone please tell us what his qualifications are?
Let met just reiterate, I really like Mike, my eyes were opened to the NAR through his teachings, but I just want to know what his qualifications are for reference.
You can check out his website at biblethinker.org
@@shannonhaworth2098 thank you. That helped. He also replied to the same comment on facebook.
I have wondered the same thing.
Great interview. As a charismatic leader, I’m sad how much people in my movement haven’t looked into this. I think we are going to make it a rule that our speakers can’t use the TPT. Btw, Simmons is a idealist, not postmill.
Thanx, Gentlemen 🌹🌲🌹
I've been waiting for this one.
Googled it.....Ein or En is spring (water, not the season) goat kid (baby/toddler goat) Spring of the Young Goat ...... that would be bah-ah-ah-ahd translation!
What was the name he was mentioning at about min 16:05? The stream glitches. Unless it just skipped. Unsure.
It seems like an intellectually honest and rigorous team of suitably credentialed Bible scholars, who are atheists, would produce a more reliable bible than the Passion "Translation"
(When about to read the verses in acts)
Roundtree, "I'm nervous...."
I am crackin up!!!!!! 😂😂😂😂
Remnant. You two yourselves probably need to listen to Alistair Begg’s Itching Ears sermons.
Thanks for the recommendation. That was a great sermon. I love listening to Allister, Well I had not heard that service before.
Compare/contrast the 23rd Psalm. Passion has totally lost the meat to it.
Thank you for this thoughtful and insightful discussion about the passion translation. I recently acquired a copy of it and was thoroughly enjoying it up until this point. Hahaha!. I am thankful for the warnings and the cautions that you presented here as it is easy to be led astray. We need to cling to the truth of the word of God and to be plugged in with Jesus and his holy spirit at the same time in order to be discerning. Thank you thank you thank you! You now have a new subscriber.
I'd been hearing about that "translation". I'm glad I've seen this video!
Acts 11:26 is what first tipped me off to the fishy business in TPT, and I’m probably a “hyper charismatic” too haha. Great video, looking forward to seeing Mike’s work with all those scholars
When he said the passion translation is a close translation to other bibles I laughed. I’ve been in Bible study groups where people read from TPT and I’m in the NKJV and I’m lost. 😂 that book is so overly annotated and quite different. It’s at best a commentary Bible but should not be given as much authority as it’s being given.
Just wondering whether you guys know how many ads we are seeing. Looks like 8 or 9.
Amen. A tad over board.
Oooo no That’s bad. I would have expected no more than two. We will look into whats happening!
Ya, don’t “ad” any more!
@@ApostolicChristianity that’s not how it works
@@matthewwinter5780 It's called a pun...
When he said Dr. Suess......🤣🤣🤣🤣
14:03 he has worked on translating the Bible previous to The Passion Translation. He is been a Bible translator in his work in Panama as well being part of the Paya-Kuna New Testament translation project
He wasn't involved on the translating and had left LONG before the new testament was translated and given to the natives in their own language. Mike spoke to Don from ethnos 360 (the current name of the group who did this translation and who brian was working with) who confirmed he DID not translate ANYTHING and ethnos 360 do not endorse Brian's translation (TPT) OR his methods of translating. He has no qualifications in Hebrew, Greek or Aramaeic and does not speak or read these languages. How is that a translation. Oh, he also misleads and infered the opposite of all these things and straight out lied about his experience with the paya kuna project. How is this man worthy to translate ANYTHING let alone claim he was given the task by Jesus Himself and led by the Holy Spirit while doing it ? Jesus would never rewrite His own word that was once and for all handed down by Him and the Holy Spirit is the spirit of TRUTH!
He started a second channel
ua-cam.com/channels/PjFC53u7nIMUoNFZeAxhjg.html
"Themelios" periodical - Dr. Andrew Shead, head of Old Testament and Hebrew at Moore Theological College, Sydney and a member of the NIV Committee on Bible Translation. Review> Psalms "The result is a strongly sectarian translation that no longer counts as scripture; by masquerading as a Bible it threatens to bind entire churches in thrall to a false god." (April 2018)
So min 46 has that question. Good.
I love Mike’s work! Awesome that you guys are having him on!
While I am no advocate of the PT, I am cautious of throwing out a translation purely on the grounds of it being the work of one translator. If that was the case, we would say so long to Jerome’s Vulgate, Tyndale’s English Bible, and Robert Alter’s Tanahk (granted, as a Hebraic scholar, he only translated the OT, but the point remains). The faith has historically been upheld by committees AND individuals who translated the Scriptures. I would agree that a team of scholars is preferable to a lone translator in general, but I think it’s pushing it to say that this must be a rule. Again, I have major issues with the PT-it being the product of Simmons alone is not one of them.
Thank you. This was so helpful. I bought and enjoyed TPT for some time then began to struggle with the extent of difference in passages. I so appreciate that you were discussing the issues involved clearly without critically tearing people down.
Psalm 23 of this TPT translation, really is something else...
"You become my delicious feast".....
I'm always suspicious of bible translations other than the kjv.. I don't know why it's not like I know alot about translations... Would the passion be a good commentary to the bible? Or just throw it out? What about the NLT?
Thanks men. I pray that the Lord makes his church more discerning. It's sad to see how uncaring many believers are.
In this age not only do we need to test what is taught against scripture but test new translations against scripture as well. It makes it more easier to be deceive and believe false doctrine. Today Christian need to stand alone on the original word of God. There are so many good translations, we do not need any new translations for English.✝️✝️📖📖
Bill Johnson's wife is quoted as saying " The Passion Translation is a better translation than the King James". 🥺😠
Thèse are the same observations we made when it first appeared on the scene. Good job in this presentation
I can definitely PROMISE that my ‘favorite’ Bible verse is definitely NOT the ‘wife submitting’ one, AT ALL.
Never even heard of the passion translation. Guess its a good thing.
Great supporter of Pastor Mike Winger; thank you for your deep study of the Word and desire to know & shine the Truth, showing all the errors and deceptions as well as teaching the body to learn how to rightly devide the Word.
Thank you to Remnant Radio for bringing in Pastor Mike Winger, a sound biblical teacher of the Word with such humility as well... 🙂 shalom.
If you don’t have a bible but you have this one you should read it???
That would be getting led astray right off the get go. Do not read it period.
You guys should invite Alisa Childers on this subject as well :)
She’ll be on, 11/30!
I’d love to see you guys interview someone about the New English Translation. It’s what the TPT should be.
What happened around 16:00? It looks like a huge chunk of the video was cut out?
We truly appreciate the work you guys do. Thank you for for your ongoing pursuit of truth.
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Does Mike Winger pray in or have the gift of tongues ?
Why does that matter
51:37 His face, tho ;)
I saw that too...HAHAHA
Can you do The Message translation
"MIQLAT" - Dr. Mike Heiser, Hebrew, GRK, Ancient Semitic Languages (see Logos Bible software) Review> Passion Trans. Song of Songs (Solomon) "TRULY AWFUL", also see "Not Good News The New NAR "Passion Translation of the Bible"
Godspeed Mike Winger ! ! Keep shining that light ! !
Could we start a petition to remove TPT from YouVersion app and Bible Gateway??
Thank you very helpful
I downloaded the Passion Translation.....that is a hot mess.
Activate... so after the wonder twins "activate"
Just sub to him he's very clear to seperate us from the false teachings and makes Christ the center of our worship and our lives.
I don't see a problem with "anointed ones" . I in no way consider myself
as a mini Jesus just anointed with His anointing. I'm uncertain as to Mike's issue.
Scary you don’t see an issue
All christians are anointed btw
@@rileyanderson7379 so what's the problem? I'm not saying TPT is correct overall, I'm just pointing out we are His anointed not as on par with Jesus but with His anointing of the holy spirit. He is the author of this act.
2 Corinthians 1:21
Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
Isn’t it we love others AS we love ourselves
It's not about a niche language; it's a niche theology, and a false one.
eat the good and spit out the bad, we live in a world full of different views and we can't change that.
Why did you change your plastic water bottles to glass ! Lol 😂
Haha! You’re observant. I started with half a (glass) bottle and it didn’t last me 😂
@@michaelrowntree2005 Yes ! Yes Iam ! I bet 😅
WHERE IS THIS CRAIG KEENER PRANK??
Look up our episode on post trib rapture with him. I think it might be called debunking the ore trib rapture if i remember righr
Not ore, pre
Why don’t you revue all the corrupt modern versions? The Lord warned us not to change His Word. Not to add unto it, nor take away from it. Check 1 Peter 2:9 in your “favorite” version and see if it’s not a racist translation. There’s no place for racism in God’s Word. “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:”
1 Peter 2:9 KJV vs “But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.”
1 Peter 2:9 ESV and most others.
I have reviewed a number of translations.
The KJV is not perfect. I like it, though.
KJV actually doesn’t use the best available manuscripts we have today.
*Context* matters
The King James is perfect. It is Holy and Pure, and has been for over four hundred years. An attack on the King James is an attack on the very Word of God. If you think that English is just another language invented by man, you are blind. The Lord gave us all languages at the Tower of Babel. He is the inventor of languages. He is the very Word of God. He warned us not to change His Word for a reason. The opening of this door has sown nothing but confusion in the church. Is the JW Bible Holy? Is the Joseph Smith Bible Holy? Is the “message” Holy? Is the Catholic Bible Holy? The apocrypha? The NIV??!!! There is no end of these distortions. It has been the enemy himself who has initiated this attack on God’s Word with the motivation of greed. Filthy lucre! The Lord says in His Word, “trust not in man”. “The Holy Spirit will teach you all things”. But we have allowed man to make the Bible say what he wants. We rely on man to “make it easy” for us to understand. It is the perfect Word of God that changes men’s hearts. If you deny the work of God that the King James Bible has done, you are denying the very work of God. And to be clear, this is not about salvation. You only need one Word to be saved, the name above all names, Jesus, THE WORD! So I’m not saying you are not saved if you are reading from one of these corrupted Bibles. But you are grieving the Holy Spirit. You are playing into the hands of the devil. You are participating in the corruption and confusion of the church. You are not going in the power of the Holy Spirit. And you are bringing the judgements of God as written in the book of Revelation. The Word of God is so much more complex than our minds can comprehend. It is a living word. And our native tongue is not Greek. It is not Hebrew. It is not Aramaic. It is English!! And we have had great influence on the entire world, and not for good. We have become the harlot of Revelation, going astray from our first love. If you cannot trust the Word of God, The Truth, you have nothing. We have gone down such a slippery slope, and we have fallen off a cliff. The problems of this nation, the problems of the church, the problems of the world can all be traced back to us defiling the Word of God. Judgement is coming, and it will begin at the house of God. America is the house of God. But she has become Babylon the Great, and is ruled by Satan himself now. She will be utterly destroyed, burned with fire, and made an ensample of to the rest of the world. The words of God are true, they are pure, and they will come to fruition just as God has declared. The reason there is so much confusion and false doctrine and inability to discern prophecy correctly is because we have corrupted the very Word of God and trusted in man to tell us what God has said. Without the Holy Spirit, you cannot comprehend the Word of God. We have not recognized and honored what is Holy. The Lord is patient, and not willing that any should perish, but that all will come to repentance and be saved, but His patience will come to an end. It is running out. And He will do what He said He will do. Our only hope is in the mercy of God. Our only hope is in Christ Jesus. Come Lord Jesus, even so, come. “And Babylon shall become heaps, a dwellingplace for dragons, an astonishment, and an hissing, without an inhabitant.
How is Sheshach taken! and how is the praise of the whole earth surprised! how is Babylon become an astonishment among the nations!”
Jeremiah 51:37, 41 KJV
“How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.”
Revelation 18:7-8, 10, 16-19, 21 KJV
www.bible.com/1/rev.18.7-8,10,16-19,21.kjv
Is the Amplified Bible dangerous?
Yes I want to know that also, I've read it for years and have always loved it. I know that it follows closely to KJV only with expanded words to include more adjectives etc for what the original languages mean.
Or The Message ? Or all the other ones that aren’t the basic niv esv etc...???
Mike Winger has a thorough video about translations. Just search his name and Bible translations 😊
@@AhsileM27 the message is not a translation or amplified, it's a paraphrase isn't it ?
@@lellyt2372 yes the message is a paraphrase as well
The Passion is not a translation it’s an abomination. As to Calvin, he was a murderous alcoholic, a fact beyond contestation, that being true how he is given any credence whatsoever I find mystifying.
Theres should be no new translations to the bible. The way it was written long ago, it was the way it is supposed to be. God bless.
Unfortunately, since languages change over time, we are going to need new translations every now and then. If not, it will be hard to understand for modern people and the language will feel very unnatural.
The KJV is not perfect, but it's a good translation. It's not even the first English translation. The Geneva Bible is older.
Mr Simmons claims Jesus directly downloaded the whole translation into him, thus giving Him revelation to write TP"T", if anything I consider it a commentary. I stay away from it
@@antoniettegonzales which would make it a channelled book and that is absolutely NOT how God inspired scripture, it is not how the Holy Spirit does anything and is forbidden by Him in the scriptures (deuteronomy) 😳
There are 2000 languages with no bible translation, and 1700 with only portions. The translation that's left to do is in minority languages, which is where Brian Simmons started.
Whatever.....
Mike is just a guy with an opinion on the bible.
Why would his opinion be better than my opinion?
Idk. I’d have to know your opinion and the data formulated to give you that opinion before I could tell you whether your opinion was as valid as his or not.
Fair enough.
Even without my opinion, Mike is just a guy with an opinion on the bible.Jesus did not give him authority to interpret scripture infallibly.
Disgusting ads. I guess this was last time I have watched your channel. No more. Sending thumb down :(
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@@TheRemnantRadio Ooohhh! Snap!
Mike Winger is not handling his recent popularity well. It's going to his head. I'll be praying for him. It's so hard to be in the spot light. Temptation always comes for these people and unfortunately Mike Winger's passions are being turned against him. We need so much discernment to live this life well and to not get swept up in the world. Here Mike says he is part of the pentecostal movement yet he reflects like a Baptist. we all have our part but he is confused. I hope he humbles himself quickly.
I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at. Are you saying that you believe Pastor Mike has misclassified himself and so he is prideful? Or Pastor Mike is reflecting like a baptist and so he is prideful?
We all battle with pride, but we should be slow to call someone else out on the issue-especially publicly-unless there is concrete evidence, lest we let our own pride cause us to spread gossip about a brother in Christ.
@@levifox2818 if you look at Jessica's account you'll see that she clearly lacks discernment herself.
I think we all have fear of pride. I am sure the Lord will humble him if he needs to be. We however need to take the good God is doing trough him and humble ourselves and remember that he is still a man with faults and we need to pray and encourage. I do not see him being different, let say you are right... email him and talk to him not about him, it is not helpful, you look mean, and I do not think this is what you want to achieve :)
They respond very well to email.
Let's remember we are all still sinners and growing.
Much love Sister ♡
That is a pretty strong accusation. Where is your evidence?
Because he says he's from the Pentecostal movement, he's "prideful"? Interesting comment and I disagree.